**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 30 02:59:57 2006 Jun 30 06:56:42 good morning all Jun 30 06:57:00 Ello Jun 30 07:30:15 morning Jun 30 07:30:29 morning Jun 30 07:31:18 hvontres around? Jun 30 07:32:27 zecke: remember the ipkg segfault problem I told you yesterday? koen's last commit solved it. :) Jun 30 07:33:52 poli: you must feel bad to not have given back, don't worry dude, your next chanche will arise Jun 30 07:34:23 zecke: I am quite anxious, I must confess. *chuckles* Jun 30 07:40:20 hrw|gone: I pushed the ipkg-utils patch Jun 30 07:57:36 03dirk 07org.oe.dev * re98a74fb... 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Jun 30 07:57:36 linux-openzaurus_2.6.17: Update tosa Jun 30 07:57:36 - update tosa patches to 2.6.17 Jun 30 07:57:36 - add ASoC 0.10 patch Jun 30 07:57:36 - update kexec patch to remove warnings Jun 30 07:57:37 - refresh collie config **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 30 08:00:20 2006 Jun 30 08:02:06 03dirk 07org.oe.dev * r75ab5e8a... 10/packages/wlan-ng/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Jun 30 08:02:06 wlan-ng-modules_0.2.3: fix to compile with 2.6.17 Jun 30 08:02:06 - add patch to compile against 2.6.17 kernel Jun 30 08:02:06 - disable plx, pcmcia and pci driver because of subsystem api changes Jun 30 08:08:17 morning all Jun 30 08:11:46 hey Dirk Jun 30 08:14:01 mickey|zzZZzz: ping? Jun 30 08:16:48 morning Jun 30 08:16:52 hey hrw|work Jun 30 08:16:54 hi. Jun 30 08:16:55 do13_: collie boot now? Jun 30 08:17:31 | /home/hrw/devel/build/3541-feed/tmp/work/armv5te-linux/glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r3/temp/run.do_prep_locale_tree.21833: line 654: /home/hrw/devel/build/3541-feed/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/cp: Argument list too long Jun 30 08:17:36 ;( Jun 30 08:23:27 hello everyone... Jun 30 08:23:32 haha Jun 30 08:23:36 is that on FreeBSD? Jun 30 08:23:54 no - ewi Jun 30 08:24:08 lol, glibc sucks Jun 30 08:25:37 today I managed to build org.oe.oz354x on my amd64 system using 32-bit chroot... seems that qemu locale generation fails on x86_64 - do I need to report it as a bug? Jun 30 08:26:07 ixoth: to your distribution using qemu to generate locales Jun 30 08:27:42 hmm... in fact, i used qemu-native from oe... Jun 30 08:28:18 ixoth: yeah, but I know none with the skills to hack qemu that owns an amd64 system Jun 30 08:28:33 ixoth: so the best thing is to make your distribution e.g. Familiar aware of it Jun 30 08:29:02 ixoth: anyway feel free to report bugs, feel free to attach patches Jun 30 08:38:49 morning all Jun 30 08:39:59 hey mr_nice_slacker Jun 30 08:44:06 ~lart 32K cmdline limit Jun 30 08:44:07 * ibot_ makes a balloon animal out of 32K cmdline limit Jun 30 08:45:30 hey koen, Marcin Jun 30 08:45:49 hrw|work: not yet it need mtd patches Jun 30 08:46:28 hrw|work: collie boots, but can't mount the root fs Jun 30 08:46:40 ok Jun 30 08:47:32 hrw|work: I have a diff against pavels tree, but this needs to be splitt into some logical patches Jun 30 08:49:17 morning Jun 30 08:49:51 hey CoreDump|home Jun 30 08:50:25 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r214b4c4e... 10/packages/ipkg-utils/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ipkg-utils-native: add patch to stop ipkg-make-index move all ipkg to morgue/ Jun 30 08:53:42 do13_: too bad that he does not cooperate Jun 30 08:54:39 hrw|work: yep. does he have a 2.6 bootstrap-image? Jun 30 08:55:41 he had one Jun 30 09:03:22 good morning master mickeyl Jun 30 09:03:33 hey Jun 30 09:03:35 morning koen Jun 30 09:03:37 morning mickeyl Jun 30 09:03:41 hi dirk Jun 30 09:03:48 hi mickeyl Jun 30 09:04:30 a friend of mine will visit belgium next week Jun 30 09:04:36 you know what that means? Jun 30 09:04:41 mickeyl: leffe! Jun 30 09:04:45 rightoooooooooooO! Jun 30 09:04:47 :D Jun 30 09:04:55 ordered a couple of sixpacks :) Jun 30 09:05:07 mickeyl: hows your thesis progressing? Jun 30 09:06:34 do13: sluggish... but progressing. I plan to close the last big construction site in the next 3 weeks and then resubmit it to my supervisor. I hope he'll wave it through then and won't come up with more change requests... Jun 30 09:08:22 hey mickeyl Jun 30 09:08:40 hail XorA Jun 30 09:09:48 mickeyl: after that, you will work as freelancer? Jun 30 09:10:51 do13: right, that's the plan. Eventually I may want to return to academics, but I want to have at least two or three years freelancing experience before that. Jun 30 09:14:27 mickeyl: cool. do you have customers already? Jun 30 09:18:15 do13: not really although i had to reject queries that came in the last two years because of my thesis. It looks like I just acquired the first embedded UI consulting job in August :) Jun 30 09:19:39 mickeyl: cool Jun 30 09:19:59 mickeyl: any details on that, or is it still super-secret? Jun 30 09:20:21 koen: quick brainwash mickeyl in the GPE way Jun 30 09:20:43 EPE maybe Jun 30 09:20:46 koen: unfortunately i can't tell :/ but if you read the archives from my yesterday rambling about mobile phone UI standard, you get an idea what I'm up to Jun 30 09:21:02 XorA: hehe Jun 30 09:21:03 mickeyl: cool Jun 30 09:21:40 *nod* Jun 30 09:21:45 * hrw|work booted poodle today - pxa250 ;( Jun 30 09:21:58 hrw|work: =) Jun 30 09:22:06 and now I am sure that I will have enough time in winter to write that OE book i have been dreaming of Jun 30 09:22:47 mickeyl: write something interesting so I will buy it to get autograph :D Jun 30 09:22:48 see http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/author/ for a rough idea what it will contain Jun 30 09:22:57 hrw|work: I will :)) Jun 30 09:23:22 hrw|work: does your tosa run 2.6 kernel? Jun 30 09:23:39 do13_: 2.4 currently Jun 30 09:23:58 mickeyl: cover finished :) Jun 30 09:24:12 do13_: I first plan to fix^Wlook at some 2.4 problems Jun 30 09:24:22 do13: hehe, no. as you can see i just took the cover of my python book and gimp'ed it ;) Jun 30 09:24:28 damn... oe.pastebin.com is sloooow, so i accidentally added code 5 times :) Jun 30 09:24:37 do13: if all goes well, i have more influence about the look of the book this time. Jun 30 09:24:44 anyways: http://oe.pastebin.com/736721 - about qemu-native and amd64 Jun 30 09:24:45 last time everything was decided by the publisher Jun 30 09:24:48 mickeyl: opie on tosa show new sets of hires stuff Jun 30 09:25:01 hrw|work: I feared that. what's most annoying? Jun 30 09:25:11 mickeyl: opie-record is shit Jun 30 09:25:21 * mickeyl looks to ljp Jun 30 09:25:32 mickeyl: and 3.5.4 did not had 480x640 background.. Jun 30 09:26:01 hrw|work: yeah, i commited the background upstream for 1.2.2 Jun 30 09:26:04 (opie, that is) Jun 30 09:26:08 that reminds me.... Jun 30 09:26:22 ibot: pester zecke about "the" script Jun 30 09:26:25 zecke about "the" script: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? see http://beverlys.net/LJ/BuggingYou.swf Jun 30 09:28:14 hrw|work: wlan-ng is cool ;) Jun 30 09:28:47 hmm is there a way to launch xscreensaver when on AC but not on battery? If so, I don't see it Jun 30 09:28:55 do13_: ? Jun 30 09:29:19 do13_: wlan-ng SUXX - I had to open my home AP Jun 30 09:29:22 sonar rocks =) http://handhelds.org/scap/port.31922.png Jun 30 09:29:27 gm Jun 30 09:29:31 scap SUXX Jun 30 09:29:40 hrw|work: are you using wpa? Jun 30 09:29:41 opie on c7x0 or tosa + scap == crap Jun 30 09:29:45 do13_: yes Jun 30 09:29:55 do13_: used rather due to tosa Jun 30 09:31:09 hrw|work: Hmm maybe I can scrap the usb part of the driver and merge it into hostap Jun 30 09:31:52 CoreDump|home: ya, it's fun. the position though is just a fake :) Jun 30 09:31:56 usbctl is weird method to disable/enable wifi Jun 30 09:32:07 CoreDump|home: I plan to rewrite Wellenreiter next year again Jun 30 09:32:23 mickeyl: heh with X support I hope =D Jun 30 09:32:34 CoreDump|home: make it more of a general-purpose network security utility. Not just wireless sniffing. Jun 30 09:32:35 and the position is related to the ping ;) Jun 30 09:32:46 CoreDump|home: yes, X support from the start. Jun 30 09:32:50 mickeyl: yay! Jun 30 09:33:21 a PDA friendly sniffer is one of the things I am missing in GPE Jun 30 09:33:42 mickeyl: and info like 'open/wep/wpa' or even detailed? Jun 30 09:33:46 how do you like prismstumbler? Jun 30 09:34:00 never tried it Jun 30 09:34:01 hrw|work: definitly Jun 30 09:34:35 * CoreDump|home bitbakes prismstumbler Jun 30 09:34:51 hrw|work: usbctl won't work with the 2.6 kernel. Jun 30 09:35:06 prismstumbler doesnt work Jun 30 09:35:15 do13_: and is not needed? Jun 30 09:35:17 at least with my prism2/3 Jun 30 09:35:31 XorA: so called Prism0.666? Jun 30 09:36:12 hrw|work: :-D Jun 30 09:36:27 wifi card of satan Jun 30 09:36:49 hrw|work: we need a way to switch the power of a specific usb port. I don't know if this is possible via sysfs Jun 30 09:38:11 hrw|work: the 2.6 ohci driver enables both ports at startup. But this drain's the battery if wifi isn't necessary. Jun 30 09:39:24 meh, the "mouse" in UAE still doesn't work with a touchscreen :\ Jun 30 09:43:43 yay! Jun 30 09:43:51 * koen looks at a cheque from google Jun 30 09:44:01 bastard! Jun 30 09:44:38 it only took them a month to send the getting started money Jun 30 09:44:52 lol Jun 30 09:45:48 hrw|work: How's your student progressing? Jun 30 09:47:59 do13_: quite well Jun 30 09:48:15 have to fill midterm survey today.. Jun 30 09:48:34 what time is it in EU now? Jun 30 09:49:26 Crofton: depends where Jun 30 09:49:34 well Italy Jun 30 09:49:41 specifically Jun 30 09:50:43 12:08 in Poland Jun 30 09:50:54 12:08 in .nl Jun 30 09:50:58 heh Jun 30 09:51:03 dito for .de ;) Jun 30 09:51:04 6 AM here Jun 30 09:51:10 11:08 in UK Jun 30 09:51:19 I am flying to Itly Saturday Jun 30 09:51:32 and am trying to get up early to adapt Jun 30 09:51:43 :) Jun 30 09:52:01 Crofton: which part of Italy? Jun 30 09:53:15 northerb Jun 30 09:53:31 arounf Bolzano Jun 30 09:54:56 Crofton: fine, three weeks ago I was on vacation on the lake of garda Jun 30 09:57:53 cool Jun 30 09:58:08 we will be higher in the mountains Jun 30 10:07:01 hi cliff Jun 30 10:07:09 lets see if people answer the question "why do you need a debian chroot in OZ" now Jun 30 10:07:17 cbrake: childs did not allow to sleep? Jun 30 10:07:21 hrw|work: hi Marcin Jun 30 10:07:35 it usually turns out people don't know how to do 'ipkg install ' Jun 30 10:07:53 koen: but know 'apt-get install '? Jun 30 10:08:10 hrw|work: heh, actually I think they are all sleeping -- which is why I am up :-) Jun 30 10:08:29 cbrake: ;) Jun 30 10:08:38 hrw|work: I remember pavel saying he needed bash Jun 30 10:09:01 koen: I remember that Jun 30 10:09:14 koen: pavel and OZ... hard to join Jun 30 10:09:40 it's the "rmk has no 2.6 patch, so arm isn't supported" type of thinking Jun 30 10:10:17 koen: can you change your name on OE website from 'koen' to 'Koen Kooi'? it looks better Jun 30 10:10:44 website with nicknames is good for personal homepage rather Jun 30 10:11:03 but koen is my name :) Jun 30 10:11:23 and also nickname Jun 30 10:11:54 done Jun 30 10:11:57 thx Jun 30 10:18:25 koen: read top post on OE website and feel free to edit my addon Jun 30 10:20:57 it's a good thing that you only hav to make them available on request =) Jun 30 10:21:22 hrw|work: good! Jun 30 10:25:01 mickeyl: sources are mirrored on coredump mirror too Jun 30 10:25:54 ... is it just me, or is the entire repository not bootstrappable? Jun 30 10:26:23 * Borealid has spent over six straight hours attempting to pull himself up by the shoelaces Jun 30 10:26:56 bootstrappable? Jun 30 10:27:04 glibc 2.4 demands NPTL (there's no more linuxthreads there at all) which requires an older glibc, right? Jun 30 10:27:16 hrw|work: and we can expect at least one, probably two more mirrors soon Jun 30 10:27:19 but if I try to build an older glibc Jun 30 10:27:21 linuxthreads should still be in ports/ Jun 30 10:27:27 hm? Jun 30 10:27:34 I couldn't get it to work Jun 30 10:27:37 Borealid: no, glibc-2.4/NTPL can use glibc-intermediate-2.4 Jun 30 10:27:45 tried that, it didn't compile Jun 30 10:27:57 works here w/ angstrom-2006.9 conf Jun 30 10:28:03 can I do glibc-intermediate-2.4 with linuxthreads? Jun 30 10:28:04 hi mickeyl Jun 30 10:28:07 that I'm not sure I tried Jun 30 10:28:08 hey phil Jun 30 10:28:43 * Borealid goes to try using gcc 4.1.1/glibc-intermediate-2.4/glibc-2.4 Jun 30 10:30:29 koen: to set linuxthreads, do I need to put it in GLIBC_ADDONS? Jun 30 10:30:56 probably Jun 30 10:31:03 I only use nptl Jun 30 10:31:45 isn't nptl's performance on arm inferior to older linuxthreads anyway? Jun 30 10:31:59 that doesn't really matter for me Jun 30 10:32:08 nor me Jun 30 10:32:34 I just want EABI so I can utilize my FPU hardware :) Jun 30 10:33:00 ... and I want EABI so I can get the mess to build... -_- Jun 30 10:33:41 yeah, nptl will usually have slightly worse performance than linuxthreads on legacy hardware. it depends a bit on the workload, though: you can probably find cases where nptl is faster. Jun 30 10:34:09 | checking for kernel header at least 2.4.0... okrn| *** On GNU/Linux systems it is normal to compile GNU libc with thern| *** `nptl' add-on. Without that, the library will bern| *** incompatible with normal GNU/Linux systems.rn| *** If you really mean to not use this add-on, run configure againrn| *** using the extra parameter `--disable-sanity-checks'.rn| FATAL: oe_runconf failed Jun 30 10:34:32 <== a little too scared to disable sanity checking Jun 30 10:34:32 ~pastebin Jun 30 10:34:36 it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/, or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or for #oe use http://oe.pastebin.com, or http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ Jun 30 10:34:38 eabi works fine if you use DISTRO="angstrom-2006.9" Jun 30 10:34:52 but I was trying to build OZ Jun 30 10:35:02 AFAIK no other distro in OE has bothered to try to get eabi to work Jun 30 10:35:10 is there actually a difference from an end-user perspective between the two? Jun 30 10:35:34 I really just want a .16 or .17 kernel with openssh, iproute2, and iptables/ip6tables Jun 30 10:35:38 the rest doesn't much matter Jun 30 10:37:21 hm, a few of the glibc patches just need a rebasing to apply against the _cvs sources Jun 30 10:38:15 ~lart ipkg utils Jun 30 10:38:15 * ibot_ pours hot grits down the front of ipkg utils's pants Jun 30 10:41:35 hi zecke Jun 30 10:41:41 master! Jun 30 10:42:07 ~lart mickeyl for crossposting between oe@ and subscriber-only lists Jun 30 10:42:08 * ibot_ resizes mickeyl's terminal to 40x24 for crossposting between oe@ and subscriber-only lists Jun 30 10:42:23 hehe Jun 30 10:47:38 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * red541e72... 10/packages/ipkg-utils/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ipkg-utils-native: add patch to stop ipkg-make-index move all ipkg to morgue/ - taken from .dev Jun 30 10:48:34 is there a reason that the kernel configs are so minimal? Jun 30 10:49:38 Borealid: they contain what they need to contain Jun 30 10:49:58 XorA: what about the advanced networking modules? Jun 30 10:50:16 XorA: and support for filesystems... like reiser... Jun 30 10:50:22 XorA: cryptoloop... Jun 30 10:50:33 XorA: afaik they contain just enough modules to not annoy RP when recompiling a zillion times a day Jun 30 10:50:54 Borealid: depends what kernel you are talking but the OZ ones are as koen says kept minimal because few users need those modules Jun 30 10:51:22 XorA: good point, but since we're using ipkg the modules can be built and only installed on demand Jun 30 10:51:35 the h2200 should be a bit 'fatter' :) Jun 30 10:51:45 Borealid: and kernel will build in 50-100% longer time Jun 30 10:52:22 hrw|work: but that's only a one-time thing - once the feeds are built, isn't it a good idea to build a kernel with all the modules? Jun 30 10:52:24 Borealid: the power of OE is such, if you need those modules, just use your own .config Jun 30 10:52:47 XorA: :-P good answer Jun 30 10:53:07 Borealid: the .config is just copied into kernel and make oldconfig is run Jun 30 10:53:10 hrm Jun 30 10:53:12 http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=27363 Jun 30 10:53:20 Borealid: I will think about pushing such changeset before relase Jun 30 10:53:21 that would explain why sounds doesn't work on my corgi Jun 30 10:53:47 mickeyl: Angstrom fails on glibc-intermediate-2.4 with "cannot compute suffix of object files: cannot compile" Jun 30 10:54:11 Borealid: you need to wipe tmp if you switch distros Jun 30 10:54:23 koen: thank you Jun 30 10:54:27 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r1e165134... 10/packages/sylpheed/ (4 files): Jun 30 10:54:27 sylpheed-claws_2.3.1.bb : new version + version bumps for the associated Jun 30 10:54:27 plugins Jun 30 10:55:04 * Borealid applauds zsh as it prompts him before he does an rm -rf tmp/* Jun 30 10:56:42 hrw|work: how close are the current OZ images to filling the smaller zaurii? Jun 30 10:56:57 too much Jun 30 10:57:39 too bad SA doesn't have thumb Jun 30 10:57:50 would save ~30% Jun 30 10:58:51 which one of these packages is not like the others? busybox, tinylogin, gaim, dropbear, matchbox Jun 30 10:59:45 pb_: changing it to =&r seems to get past that error, thanks Jun 30 11:02:17 Borealid: matchbox Jun 30 11:02:25 pb_: why? Jun 30 11:02:31 it's the only one that doesn't contain any files Jun 30 11:02:44 that works, I guess Jun 30 11:02:57 I would say gaim Jun 30 11:02:57 Borealid: for me it is gaim - because it is not in default images for small devices Jun 30 11:03:47 hrw|work: yeah, sylpheed and gaim seem kind of odd - in the gpe-image there are dozens of programs optimized to be as small and fast as possible, like dillo - and then there's gaim Jun 30 11:04:11 hrw|work: I mean, we don't even have a real coreutils in there Jun 30 11:04:25 hrw|work: or bc Jun 30 11:05:27 * Borealid remembers an old configuration error message he got once on cygwin: "bc has been a standard part of every UNIX system for more than a decade. You don't appear to have it. You're insane. Go get it." Jun 30 11:05:57 ;) Jun 30 11:06:11 I think it was lying Jun 30 11:06:31 GNU bc is from the 90s, so a decade has to be an exaggeration Jun 30 11:08:30 Borealid: our gaim is optimised for small screens Jun 30 11:08:59 XorA: did you know the preferred version is not gaim-2cvs? Jun 30 11:09:04 *now Jun 30 11:09:21 Borealid: thats a distro choice Jun 30 11:09:57 XorA: in Gentoo, the installation message reads "danger: side effects may include dizziness, dry mouth, and lava. Consult your doctor to determine if gaim-2beta is right for you" Jun 30 11:10:22 XorA: yes - I was talking OZ. Although I am impressed by how well gaim works on zaurii Jun 30 11:10:52 Borealid: I have the right version of gaim locally :-) Jun 30 11:11:09 actually, I think it was "awesomeness, dumbfoundedness, and lava" Jun 30 11:11:10 my mistake Jun 30 11:13:42 http://www.hrw.one.pl/2006/06/30/first-days-using-tosa24/ Jun 30 11:15:55 * Borealid surreptitiously replaces dropbear with openssh in angstrom.conf Jun 30 11:25:01 pb_: oops, sorry for that. What's even worse, it looks like they finally blocked me. My posts no longer arrive at the list :/ Jun 30 11:25:14 guess I have been complaining too much Jun 30 11:25:31 mickeyl: doh Jun 30 11:27:42 ipkg-make-index for >8000 packages is taking some time.. Jun 30 11:28:25 hrw|work: too much time Jun 30 11:28:48 far too much even Jun 30 11:35:41 especially when I use ipkg-make-index on all feeds many times... Jun 30 11:35:51 pb_: master! Jun 30 11:36:03 ~hail pb_ for his 31337 asm skillz Jun 30 11:36:10 * ibot_ bows down to pb_ for his 31337 asm skillz and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Jun 30 11:36:11 ~praise pb_ for his 31337 asm skillz Jun 30 11:36:14 All hail pb_ for his 31337 asm skillz! Jun 30 11:37:40 I now get 'warning: output constraint '=' for operand 0 is not at the beginning' Jun 30 11:37:54 ignoring compiler warnings is good practice ;) Jun 30 11:38:08 it's been compiling for a while now over here Jun 30 11:38:27 koen: i have some other fixes added as well. will commit when it goes through Jun 30 11:38:35 cool, thanks Jun 30 11:38:51 np Jun 30 11:41:49 I dream about day when firefox will be light browser... Jun 30 11:45:04 hrw|work: dream instead one day minimo comes back to unix Jun 30 11:48:15 hrw|work: I dream about the day when firefox does not leak memory like a sieve Jun 30 11:48:22 yes.. Jun 30 11:48:31 1178 hrw 36 0 251m 132m 19m R 92.5 17.4 236:25.44 firefox-bin Jun 30 11:48:39 and mozilla stops putting code in headers Jun 30 11:50:08 7295 cbrake 15 0 1571m 529m 19m S 8 26.3 138:46.10 firefox-bin Jun 30 11:50:38 cbrake: how long does it work? Jun 30 11:50:40 cbrake: is that for real? Jun 30 11:51:02 hehe, use WebCore! Jun 30 11:51:05 hrw|work: its probably takes about a week to get to that point Jun 30 11:51:11 opera... Jun 30 11:51:19 Borealid: yup -- good think I have 2G ram ... Jun 30 11:51:33 cbrake: opera! Jun 30 11:51:36 webcore, opera, khtml... all lack firefox extensions Jun 30 11:51:39 cbrake: so you can have evolution and firefox in the same ram? Jun 30 11:51:53 zecke: evolution isn't THAT bad Jun 30 11:52:17 opera is anti-social Jun 30 11:52:36 hrw|work: I thinking it might be gmail, bloglines, or something that is constantly going out and refreshing itself Jun 30 11:52:37 I've actually been very impressed with recent versions of konqueror Jun 30 11:52:41 opera just crashes on all OS/platforms I tried it on, except Opera Mini Jun 30 11:52:54 XorA: I've never had it crash Jun 30 11:52:58 Borealid: yeah, its getting better Jun 30 11:53:58 Borealid: lucky you Jun 30 11:55:45 15510 braujac 15 0 275m 35m 20m S 2 1.8 0:01.98 evolution-2.4 Jun 30 11:55:56 if I add a package to task-gpe it should be in the gpe-image, am I wrong? Jun 30 11:55:58 yeah, that's not outrageous considering the volume of mail Jun 30 11:59:17 zecke: kmail :-) Jun 30 11:59:33 hm, has OE looked into alternate SCM systems? Jun 30 11:59:50 mercurial from http://selenic.com/mercurial is like monotone but faster Jun 30 12:00:02 Borealid: check the wiki Jun 30 12:00:10 where is it on the wiki? Jun 30 12:00:16 * Borealid goes to look Jun 30 12:00:22 zecke: hi man Jun 30 12:00:31 zecke: how were the exams? Jun 30 12:00:39 zecke:those pages weren't converted Jun 30 12:00:40 katossi: passed one, four to go :} Jun 30 12:00:45 ouch Jun 30 12:00:52 very good Jun 30 12:00:57 zecke: i was too lazy since we decided to go with monotone anyway Jun 30 12:01:05 zecke: and germany is still in the WM Jun 30 12:01:07 feel free to add them yourselfes Jun 30 12:01:20 Borealid: well basicly: hg push, ..., CTRL+C after it 'hang' Jun 30 12:01:31 zecke: with 0.8 or later? Jun 30 12:01:42 Borealid: requires hg recover on the server :) Jun 30 12:02:05 Borealid: don't remember which version I have used back then Jun 30 12:02:19 zecke: ouch. That sounds very much like what would happen in 0.4 days Jun 30 12:02:37 * Borealid remembers it as alpha stuff Jun 30 12:02:51 Borealid: finger showed there was no user session active Jun 30 12:03:02 Borealid: but both client and server blocked (without a connection) Jun 30 12:03:06 heh Jun 30 12:03:08 Borealid: after a push Jun 30 12:03:16 pushing via ssh? Jun 30 12:03:21 yes Jun 30 12:03:32 hmmm Jun 30 12:03:45 that stuff doesn't happen now Jun 30 12:03:48 Borealid: and on using tailor to convert from monotone to git, darcs, svn and hg Jun 30 12:03:57 Borealid: hg was the slowest to convert Jun 30 12:04:04 Borealid: by order of magnitudes Jun 30 12:04:11 that must be before revlogng Jun 30 12:04:13 could be tailor Jun 30 12:04:36 git and hg were virtually identical in terms of repo format pre-0.8 Jun 30 12:05:02 see http://www.selenic.com/pipermail/mercurial/2006-April/007592.html Jun 30 12:05:53 Borealid: well, hg would not have worked Jun 30 12:05:54 testing scms received massive desinterest, yet people seem to complain about whatever we choose Jun 30 12:06:11 koen: I don't mind monotone Jun 30 12:06:17 koen: well :) Jun 30 12:06:21 I would complain if OE were in a centralized SCM Jun 30 12:06:23 and we got monotone devels help Jun 30 12:06:31 * koen waves to njs Jun 30 12:06:36 ~hail njs Jun 30 12:06:40 * ibot_ bows down to njs and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Jun 30 12:06:51 ~praise njs Jun 30 12:06:53 All hail njs! Jun 30 12:06:53 what would be nice is if there were a way to have a repo served via all methods at once Jun 30 12:06:58 Borealid: iirc 0.25.1 or 0.25.2 was 'OE release' Jun 30 12:07:11 hrw|work: heh Jun 30 12:07:11 bb Jun 30 12:07:22 hrw|work: oh well, one of them was a security release as well Jun 30 12:08:17 hm - I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be technically possible to keep a repo accessible via svn, cvs, hg, monotone, darcs, and bzr all at once Jun 30 12:08:30 you just need to flatten branches for the primitive SCMs Jun 30 12:08:32 Borealid: I think it is likely we will provide svn readonly (through tailor) Jun 30 12:08:53 no, I mean there should be a program that provides RW access via multiple methods Jun 30 12:08:58 it could be quilt-based Jun 30 12:09:01 or cvs via the perl script Jun 30 12:09:08 * XorA thinks we should all swtich to the god of CM Microsoft VIsual SOurce Safe Jun 30 12:09:21 ... Jun 30 12:09:42 maybe we should keep a big directory full of patches Jun 30 12:09:47 but whatever we support people will always bitch and complain about being not there Jun 30 12:10:09 exactly, which is why you could make it possible to interface with the repo however you want Jun 30 12:10:19 I mean, fundamentally an SCM is just a series of changes, right? Jun 30 12:10:29 the merge functionality and branching is usually client-side Jun 30 12:10:32 tagging is just icing Jun 30 12:10:49 so if you restrict the main repo to one head... Jun 30 12:10:54 Borealid: hehe, no that is darcs Jun 30 12:11:09 zecke: yep :-P and it works pretty well too Jun 30 12:11:17 zecke: ever tried hg mq? Jun 30 12:11:44 * Borealid cheers as glibc compiles successfully for the first time in a month Jun 30 12:12:01 koen: thanks, changing the ARCH to -gnueabi did it Jun 30 12:12:35 Borealid: no Jun 30 12:12:55 Borealid: ah we have tried darcs well :) Jun 30 12:13:01 Borealid: oh and it is :) Jun 30 12:13:22 it is a dir full of patches? Jun 30 12:13:23 Borealid: and git on non GNU systems is.. :) Jun 30 12:13:32 Borealid: basicly, yes Jun 30 12:13:49 it's a sensible model Jun 30 12:13:49 Borealid: and on OSX you can not pull more than 60 revs at once Jun 30 12:13:59 Borealid: and it has security issues Jun 30 12:14:00 zecke: that I didn't know Jun 30 12:14:55 * Borealid rosterified the OE db just to see how long it would take Jun 30 12:15:24 five hours on my x2 4600+ Jun 30 12:16:15 Borealid: lol, I want one as well Jun 30 12:16:25 Borealid: on www.openembedded.org it needs 11 hours Jun 30 12:17:01 zecke: they don't cost so much anymore ^_^ Jun 30 12:17:18 computers are getting cheaper - the obsolesence point is moving Jun 30 12:17:34 I have ~300 Euro a month to buy food, drugs Jun 30 12:17:41 *obsolescence Jun 30 12:17:46 Borealid: so x2 4600+ is... Jun 30 12:17:59 a month's food and drugs Jun 30 12:18:16 and misc. things Jun 30 12:18:24 zecke: with only that much a 4600+ would be hard to get, yes Jun 30 12:18:31 zecke: win the lottery :-P Jun 30 12:18:52 I got a $3,000 ruggedized laptop for $120 Jun 30 12:18:58 sometimes you get lucky Jun 30 12:19:21 sex drugs and rock and roll add up :) Jun 30 12:19:47 Crofton: sex, perscription drugs, and roll Jun 30 12:19:52 ah Jun 30 12:20:22 those can be even pricier Jun 30 12:20:43 less competition, more regulations Jun 30 12:20:50 depends on the country, of course, both for the drugs' price and how much you have to pay for them Jun 30 12:20:56 true Jun 30 12:21:09 here it depends on your insurance plan Jun 30 12:21:31 interesting, I had no idea how advanced the EABI support had gotten in Angstrom Jun 30 12:21:48 seems to be working very well Jun 30 12:26:30 will anyone be left to ride in the tour? Jun 30 12:27:05 Crofton: well, if you ban people who take drugs, nobody will be left Jun 30 12:27:18 sounds like baseball Jun 30 12:28:14 except baseball doesn't seem very serious about drugs Jun 30 12:28:17 I wonder what would happen if they started testing soccer players Jun 30 12:28:22 yeah Jun 30 12:28:36 Apparently the spanish police also have a list of soccer players Jun 30 12:28:43 but this isn't ending up in the papers Jun 30 12:29:13 I can't read "foreign" languages so I have to rely on translated stories though Jun 30 12:32:39 * chouimat is back. Jun 30 12:33:15 morning Jun 30 12:36:26 mornin Jun 30 12:37:34 'night Jun 30 12:41:09 Crofton: lol, Tour de France without any top guys Jun 30 12:41:50 zecke, rather a Tour with the real top guys. Jun 30 12:41:54 * Crofton hopes Jun 30 12:42:11 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rcc1957ee... 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2006.9.conf: angstrom 2006.9: move srcdate Jun 30 12:42:22 Crofton: I'm not sure about this 'list' Jun 30 12:42:59 yeah, unless they are doing a lot more work than I read about, there is an element of guessing involved Jun 30 12:52:29 XorA: did you get anywhere with the new rxct-unicode? Jun 30 12:53:12 rxvt* Jun 30 12:58:57 djeez Jun 30 13:00:00 * koen wonders why I still try to help users Jun 30 13:00:21 "Compare the output of 'apt-cache pkgnames' under debian to 'ipkg list' under OE. The set of names that are in apt but not ipkg are what OZ (and indeed any OS) is missing." Jun 30 13:00:41 good heart? Jun 30 13:01:13 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r1da0ff94... 10/packages/qt/ (2 files in 2 dirs): qt4 4.1.2 fix g++ 4.1.1 asm constraints, fix angstrom build Jun 30 13:01:17 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r6a09c229... 10/packages/qt/ (8 files in 2 dirs): qt4 4.1.1 remove Jun 30 13:02:20 hrw|work: why is it so hard to get a straight answer out of complaining users? Jun 30 13:03:27 mickeyl: qt 4.2tp1 released... Jun 30 13:03:32 ah, it seems my goverment is gone Jun 30 13:03:40 * koen starts looting Jun 30 13:03:44 koen: since yesterday? Jun 30 13:03:45 ~users Jun 30 13:03:54 so this is what we get for sharing our unpaid volunteer work with you? complaints and accuses? well done, this clearly supports our motivation to continue working on open source projects. Jun 30 13:04:26 koen: empty your sources list Jun 30 13:04:42 koen: and ask the user if you should remove things Jun 30 13:13:43 koen: still pink here, and I cant work out why Jun 30 13:38:01 XorA: maybe it's the authors favourite colour Jun 30 13:38:25 someone remember where does IMAGE_LINGUAS are defined? Jun 30 13:38:40 found Jun 30 13:38:56 koen: Well we got a version for people with "alternative" lifestyles :-) Jun 30 13:39:36 hrw|work: poky has some patches to only use one locale Jun 30 13:40:18 XorA: "this release was dedicated to http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091790/" ;) Jun 30 13:40:49 thats not that - images-from-feeds need fix for linguas Jun 30 13:42:21 koen: :-D Jun 30 13:45:28 NOTE: package gpe-image-1.0-r22: task do_build: completed Jun 30 13:45:29 uf Jun 30 13:45:42 lucky bastard Jun 30 13:48:30 Kristoffer: .oz354x is stable Jun 30 13:48:38 hrw|work: got cable today Jun 30 13:48:44 do13: great Jun 30 13:49:32 do13: so soon I will be able to test BT USB Jun 30 13:50:10 hrw|work: no need for BT USB, Tosa has internal BT ;) Jun 30 13:51:38 do13: I have only two usb things: 64M pendrive and BT dongle Jun 30 13:51:53 do13: I do not count usbnet cables for Z Jun 30 13:53:10 koen, could you give a quick glance at bug 1131, must be something simple Jun 30 13:53:14 ipkg instal kernel-module-hci-usb (iirc) Jun 30 13:53:21 do13: and this tosa lack BT Jun 30 13:54:40 hrw|work: I had such a tosa 8 month Jun 30 13:55:19 * mrz80 is away: Metaphysically I'm still here; physically, I'm elsewhere Jun 30 13:55:42 bbl Jun 30 13:56:59 wow Jun 30 13:57:11 40k spent on travel expenses for guadec Jun 30 13:58:51 koen, could u give your quick opinion on bug 1131? Jun 30 13:59:13 http://www.o-hand.com/~ebassi/2006-guadec-recent-files/slide-13.png Jun 30 13:59:20 Kristoffer: check bugzilla Jun 30 13:59:41 koen, I just posted bug 1131, just wanted your quick opinion about it Jun 30 13:59:44 must be something stupid Jun 30 13:59:50 yes, check bugzilla Jun 30 13:59:54 ah Jun 30 14:01:51 koen: hehe Jun 30 14:06:25 * mrz80 is back (gone 00:11:05) Jun 30 14:11:18 server.c:1348: Cherokee feels panic! Jun 30 14:11:33 heh, nice of cherokee to tell me how it feels :-\ Jun 30 14:28:01 hrw|work: uname -a Jun 30 14:28:01 Linux collie 2.6.17 #4 PREEMPT Fri Jun 30 16:29:11 CEST 2006 armv4l unknown Jun 30 14:28:16 awesome :) Jun 30 14:28:32 great Jun 30 14:28:54 cbrake: :) Jun 30 14:29:14 linux-openzaurus + pawels mtd patch Jun 30 14:29:30 mtd.patch;status=hack? Jun 30 14:29:31 It lacks pm, touch, .... Jun 30 14:29:54 didn't pavel have a hack for the touchscreen/ Jun 30 14:30:02 s:/:?: Jun 30 14:30:24 yes. We need to import his patches Jun 30 14:32:13 XorA: what do you prefer: epdfview or evince? Jun 30 14:33:04 koen:I have a diff of pavels tree against vanilla kernel. But we need to splitt this into small logical patches Jun 30 14:33:07 koen: epdfview Jun 30 14:34:36 hrw|work: which font do you recommend to replace ttf-bitstream-vera? Jun 30 14:34:43 ttf-dejavu Jun 30 14:34:56 vera based with much more glyphs Jun 30 14:35:05 and I need to update it to recent version Jun 30 14:35:47 ok Jun 30 14:36:16 * XorA wonders what koen is upto Jun 30 14:36:20 what do you think about this: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/task-angstrom.bb ? Jun 30 14:37:12 dont see a reason for separated gpe tasks Jun 30 14:37:33 koen: looks good to me Jun 30 14:37:57 hrw|work: you mean outside of task-gpe or at all? Jun 30 14:38:07 koen: maybe gqview in there somewhere Jun 30 14:38:14 at all Jun 30 14:38:24 XorA: that's why I kept evince instead of epdfview Jun 30 14:38:35 hrw|work: this way !gpe images can use them as well Jun 30 14:38:45 hrw|work: like e-image and xfce-image Jun 30 14:38:46 koen: problem is evince tries to pre-render all pages of pdf :-( Jun 30 14:39:24 although I havent tried epdfview with pre-rendering on large docs yet Jun 30 14:42:06 time for me to catch train home Jun 30 14:49:32 goodbye everyone... Jun 30 14:54:02 koen, you were quite correct, works fine now Jun 30 14:57:45 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rb6bfb43e... 10/packages/zd1211/ (12 files in 4 dirs): zd1211: dropped all old versions Jun 30 14:57:49 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rd0dadbbe... 10/packages/zd1211/ (5 files in 2 dirs): zd1211: added r77 from .dev Jun 30 15:00:36 someone remember who maintain sword in OE? Jun 30 15:02:24 heh.. noone Jun 30 15:05:58 http://eucd.info/index.php?2006/06/30/333-french-parliament-approves-the-worst-copyright-law-in-europe : shame on us :( Jun 30 15:10:46 anyone having issues with building konqueror-embedded, getting a cannot run/find kde-config Jun 30 15:11:07 Kristoffer: Yeah, I have issues building it.. little late for me to do any debugging though Jun 30 15:11:20 same issues? Jun 30 15:11:31 Its worked for me in the past, but cannot figure out why it doesnt now Jun 30 15:11:36 iirc, it was a missing header or such Jun 30 15:11:59 in the source code? Jun 30 15:12:16 in a library it depends on, I'm guessing Jun 30 15:12:30 if you remember anything more please let me know Jun 30 15:12:45 Anyways.. I'm off for a couple of weeks Jun 30 15:13:30 doh Jun 30 15:26:08 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * ra93b8d47... 10/ (files/device_table-jlime.txt conf/distro/jlime-donkey.conf): Jun 30 15:26:08 files/device_table-jlime.txt: Addition of new table for JLime Jun 30 15:26:08 conf/distro/jlime-donkey.conf: Typo fix Jun 30 15:26:08 * kernel-module -> kernel-modules Jun 30 15:34:47 koen: do you know something better than Chicken of VNC? Jun 30 15:34:59 zecke: sadly not Jun 30 15:38:16 how about chicken of the sea? Jun 30 15:38:20 :P Jun 30 15:38:53 koen: are keymaps broken for you as well? Jun 30 15:41:36 zecke: never tried to type Jun 30 15:41:48 zecke: I only use it for controlling my ipaqs Jun 30 15:42:01 and doing demos at conferences Jun 30 15:43:24 How can i use "bitbake -i" and set it to build all opie without stopping when errors? Jun 30 15:43:31 like bitbake -k opie* Jun 30 15:43:42 if that would have worked Jun 30 15:44:51 ken_: its not possible ;( Jun 30 15:45:08 I dont like that answer, give me a different one Jun 30 15:45:40 ken_: look in bugtracke Jun 30 15:45:49 Oki Jun 30 15:55:10 Kristoffer: Alternative Answer: Get your credit card, give me a million Euro, order stuff as much as you want :) Jun 30 15:55:24 give me one... Jun 30 15:57:15 only world is setup to keep going on fail Jun 30 15:58:26 emte: in interactive shell? Jun 30 16:06:25 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r67385847... 10/packages/sword/sword_1.5.8.bb: sword: fix packaging so -dev will not contain libs Jun 30 16:06:29 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rf2dff594... 10/packages/mc/mc_4.6.1.bb: added mc 4.6.1 - close #1120 Jun 30 16:06:34 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rd06c299f... 10/packages/sword/sword_1.5.8.bb: sword: fix packaging so -dev will not contain libs Jun 30 16:06:38 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rda30bb02... 10/packages/mc/mc_4.6.1.bb: added mc 4.6.1 - close #1120 Jun 30 16:10:21 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r77068784... 10/packages/gaim/gaim_cvs.bb: gaim: fixed SRC_URI - close #1121 Jun 30 16:31:48 CoreDump|afk: hmm.. Jun 30 16:31:49 NOTE: package mplayer-common-0.0.1-r0: task do_distribute_sources: started Jun 30 16:31:50 NOTE: Licenses (['unknown']) are not all listed in SRC_DISTRIBUTE_LICENSES, skipping source distribution Jun 30 16:34:22 hrw|work: what about setting 'TARGET_VENDOR = "-openzaurus"' in openzaurus.conf? Jun 30 16:34:42 koen: what this change? Jun 30 16:35:10 XorA|gone: mplayer 1.0pre8 does not build for armv4 (collie) Jun 30 16:35:22 | armv4l/dsputil_arm_s.S:684: Error: selected processor does not support `pld [r1]' Jun 30 16:35:38 hrw|work: it will put 'openzaurus' in all the toolchains Jun 30 16:35:54 instead of arm-linux-unknown-gcc you get arm-linux-openzaurus-gcc Jun 30 16:36:03 koen: ah. Jun 30 16:36:12 koen: I built feeds already Jun 30 16:36:37 you could do it for 3.5.4.2 Jun 30 16:37:02 makes it easier to spot people using the 'wrong' toolchain Jun 30 16:37:07 koen: 3.5.4.2 will use 3.5.4.1 feeds rather - now when I finally got them cleaned Jun 30 16:37:09 koen: ok Jun 30 16:37:35 koen: anyway I can rebuild native and cross sdk later Jun 30 16:41:36 someone want to buy hx4700? Jun 30 16:42:13 heh Jun 30 16:42:28 I was just thinking about using my hx for native compilation Jun 30 16:43:14 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r1cbd637d... 10/conf/distro/angstrom.conf: angstrom: brand the toolchain regardless of architecture Jun 30 16:45:46 hmmm Jun 30 16:45:56 maybe I'll distcc it with my h5550 Jun 30 16:49:17 cu Jun 30 16:49:36 have a nice weekend Jun 30 16:50:00 tomorrow I have stag party (not mine yet) Jun 30 16:50:35 enjoy Jun 30 16:53:49 hrw|gone: try disabling w100 Jun 30 17:03:02 RP, hrw: can't change the volume on my spitz with the volume applet in GPE or in mpd Jun 30 17:03:13 (3.5.4.1 rc4) Jun 30 17:03:35 CosmicPenguin: problems with altboot. It drops to a shell when I chhoose normal boot but "exec /sbin/init.sysvinit 5" works fine Jun 30 17:03:48 heh - I can't help you.. :) Jun 30 17:05:49 damn Jun 30 17:05:51 did it again Jun 30 17:06:04 CoreDump|afk: problems with altboot. It drops to a shell when I choose normal boot but "exec /sbin/init.sysvinit 5" works fine Jun 30 17:06:11 ~lart irssi Jun 30 17:06:11 * ibot chops irssi in half with a free AOL CD Jun 30 17:48:48 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rde01d836... 10/packages/linux/ep93xx-kernel_2.6.17.1.bb: ep93xx-kernel 2.6.17.1: make it work Jun 30 18:10:33 woglinde: hi, zecke told me, that his kernel 2.6.0 and 2.6.10 may be or may be not anywhere on the internet. as you had a copy of his git tree (which starts with 2.6.11) i thought you may have also a copy of the other kernels :). Jun 30 18:10:42 lol Jun 30 18:12:09 * mr_nice_slacker never gives up *g Jun 30 18:13:24 hm I have zecke's git tree Jun 30 18:13:31 from 29.5 Jun 30 18:14:02 re Jun 30 18:15:10 woglinde: i did a ls -lah .git/refs/tags/ Jun 30 18:15:27 woglinde: and the oldest one was v2.6.11 Jun 30 18:15:55 VERSION = 2 Jun 30 18:15:55 PATCHLEVEL = 6 Jun 30 18:15:55 SUBLEVEL = 17 Jun 30 18:15:55 EXTRAVERSION =-rc5 Jun 30 18:15:56 NAME=Lordi Rules Jun 30 18:17:03 woglinde: how to get this info - i'm not that well informed about git Jun 30 18:17:39 Makefile Jun 30 18:18:05 woglinde: heh Jun 30 18:18:10 he koen Jun 30 18:18:27 koen "ohne holland fahren wir nach berlin" *duck and hide* Jun 30 18:18:49 woglinde: I don't care about soccer Jun 30 18:18:55 koen *g* Jun 30 18:18:56 I'm gratefull we lost Jun 30 18:19:05 less annoyance in the neighbourhood Jun 30 18:21:16 woglinde: i have the same. which version of arm toolchain do you use? with your .conf file and the arm 3.4.1 toolchain from handhelds.org i run into compile errors. Jun 30 18:21:37 hm mom Jun 30 18:22:19 3.3.4 or 4.0.2 Jun 30 18:25:18 woglinde:ok i try to update Jun 30 18:33:20 possibility to clean staging before build of package would be nice... Jun 30 18:33:44 koen: I hope that some kind of it would be possible after your SoC :) Jun 30 18:34:12 it should be Jun 30 18:34:33 zecke and I want two modes: "append" and "create from scratch" Jun 30 18:34:53 XorA|gone: mplayer is fscked when world is built - too much dependencies are not disabled Jun 30 18:35:09 koen: we would need kind of 'build-essential' meta-package then Jun 30 18:35:11 hi Liam Jun 30 18:35:16 hey lrg Jun 30 18:35:19 morning all Jun 30 18:35:34 koen, I ran into this about 2 weeks ago :( Jun 30 18:35:54 koen: -O1 is a tmp fix Jun 30 18:36:00 yeah Jun 30 18:36:11 koen: sadly it also aplies to alsa-lib :( Jun 30 18:36:25 ouch Jun 30 18:36:55 koen: I'm writing a small userspace test case for gcc bugs this weekend Jun 30 18:37:09 :) Jun 30 18:37:25 I was planning on setting up a native toolchain this weekend Jun 30 18:37:37 koen: angstrom one? Jun 30 18:37:40 yes Jun 30 18:38:54 koen: maybe it's best to temp patch alsa-lib and linux/sound/* to build with -O1 until there is a fix Jun 30 18:39:10 yeah Jun 30 18:39:20 and/or add A BIG FAT WARNING to the .bb Jun 30 18:40:05 koen: kind of do_configure_prepend() { bb.note("BIG FAT WARNING: blebleble")}? Jun 30 18:40:13 koen: probably both, as it's not obvious from the audio error messages :( Jun 30 18:41:01 * lrg wonders when RP will be back GUADEC Jun 30 18:41:31 Btw, GUADEC was good. Fluendo hosted a beach party with free beer :) Jun 30 18:42:12 that's nice to hear Jun 30 18:42:23 I think zecke and I will be there next year Jun 30 18:43:03 koen: next year it's in Birmingham, closer to Holland for you as well ? Jun 30 18:43:51 I can get a flight to spain for E2 with easyjet/ryanair/etc, so that wasn't a problem Jun 30 18:44:25 just returning from a real vacation was the 'problem' :) Jun 30 18:44:46 heh Jun 30 18:44:55 hehe Jun 30 18:45:06 damn... I need to sketch my aKademy paper Jun 30 18:47:55 zecke_: guadec spent $40k on reimbursing people for travel expenses this year Jun 30 18:49:00 what is guadec? Jun 30 18:49:15 Crofton: gnome european dev conference Jun 30 18:49:31 getting everybody happy and motivated till the next guadec Jun 30 18:49:44 heh, true Jun 30 18:49:55 hmm, maybe I should do gnome dev :) Jun 30 18:53:03 koen: you did not started rrd on ewi? Jun 30 18:53:20 koen: all graphs are from 21 June Jun 30 18:57:14 oops Jun 30 18:57:16 restarted Jun 30 18:57:37 add into initscripts ;) Jun 30 19:02:18 * mrz80 is away: Metaphysically I'm still here; physically, I'm elsewhere Jun 30 19:11:23 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r84e5771f... 10/packages/angstrom/task-angstrom.bb: packages/angstrom/task-angstrom.bb: add initial version Jun 30 19:12:00 mickey|fifa2006: added wireless-tools 29-pre10 - needed for 2.6.17+ Jun 30 19:12:31 hi marcos Jun 30 19:12:32 ah, now I think of it Jun 30 19:12:42 ahh - really? wireless-tools needs to be bumped? Jun 30 19:12:47 my oz image from .dev lacked the modules needed for wep Jun 30 19:12:56 hi hrw Jun 30 19:13:06 arc4, ieeeeeeeeee80211-crypto, etc Jun 30 19:13:06 CosmicPenguin: need is strong word - older ver complain about WE20 Jun 30 19:13:17 koen: michael-mic, aes Jun 30 19:13:29 koen: look at .oz354x configs Jun 30 19:14:16 CosmicPenguin: when kernel got WE19 (2.6.15 iirc) I upgraded wireless-tools to 28-pre13 to not get 'this version support WE11 to WE18 but kernel is WE19' Jun 30 19:14:30 hrw: yeah, I'm working on angstrom configs for that stuff Jun 30 19:14:54 CosmicPenguin: now 28pre13 complain about getting WE20 when support up to WE19 - 29pre10 support WE21 Jun 30 19:15:51 time to submit midterm survey Jun 30 19:16:36 * CosmicPenguin taps his foot waiting for X7.1 to build Jun 30 19:16:57 153 packages to just get xorg-server Jun 30 19:17:09 nice and modular Jun 30 19:17:28 good thing we don't need to upgrade all of them all the time Jun 30 19:17:53 also - most of them don't take any time to compile Jun 30 19:17:58 so it moves fast Jun 30 19:18:11 on your 85938509-way opteron Jun 30 19:18:24 of course, we need about half of them as native, so that hurts Jun 30 19:22:48 * chouimat is away: pub Jun 30 19:23:40 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r4e1cedf1... 10/packages/nano/ (nano-1.3.12/glib.m4 nano_1.3.12.bb): nano: added 1.3.12 Jun 30 19:23:44 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r02764b93... 10/packages/wireless-tools/wireless-tools_29-pre10.bb: wireless-tools: added 29-pre10 - this version support WE21 and 2.6.17 use WE20 so 28pre13 is too old Jun 30 19:23:48 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r2b676a3f... 10/packages/wireless-tools/wireless-tools_29-pre10.bb: wireless-tools: added me as maintainer to latest version Jun 30 19:23:52 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r8285fffe... 10/packages/wireless-tools/wireless-tools_29-pre10.bb: wireless-tools: added 29-pre10 - this version support WE21 and 2.6.17 use WE20 so 28pre13 is too old. also me as 2nd maintainer Jun 30 19:32:40 * mrz80 is back (gone 00:30:23) Jun 30 20:00:29 gah Jun 30 20:00:31 Failed to execute /bin/busybox. Attempting defaults... Jun 30 20:00:32 Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. Jun 30 20:07:17 not nice Jun 30 20:10:51 hrm Jun 30 20:11:03 hrw: the oz wiki is getting a lot of spam, time to lock it down? Jun 30 20:12:35 koen: will discuss it with lardman and bronson - they admin it Jun 30 20:12:41 ~seen bronson Jun 30 20:12:48 bronson was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 12d 6h 9s ago, saying: 'lardman, OK, you should have full rights now.'. Jun 30 20:22:52 tosa/2.4 wifi suxx Jun 30 20:23:23 hehe Jun 30 20:24:26 do13: I did not yet tested tosa/2.6 - who know how bad it is... ;D Jun 30 20:24:50 :) Jun 30 20:25:22 hrw: try it Jun 30 20:25:31 next week not sooner Jun 30 20:25:38 stag party during weekend Jun 30 20:25:43 cool Jun 30 20:26:00 Hello Jun 30 20:26:01 I had this 2 weeks ago (my brother) Jun 30 20:27:17 hi sirfred Jun 30 20:27:30 hrw: Hi. Jun 30 20:27:37 hrw: Have fun Jun 30 20:28:20 hrw: Have anyone notified problems starting opie in 3.5.4.1-test.prefinal-20060630? Jun 30 20:28:44 hrw: On a c760 Jun 30 20:29:44 sirfred: after calibration? Jun 30 20:30:08 hrw: Yes. Language settings screen messed up, and following ones. Jun 30 20:30:22 hrw: Only showing in the left corner, then opie hungs. Jun 30 20:30:29 sirfred: thx - know bug will fix Jun 30 20:30:41 hrw: Great. Jun 30 20:31:03 ~seen pH5 Jun 30 20:31:16 ph5 was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 1d 11h 46m 32s ago, saying: 'hey koen'. Jun 30 20:31:47 sirfred: opie-mediummount need replace Jun 30 20:32:37 hrw: Any way to fix it easily? Jun 30 20:32:46 ipkg remove it Jun 30 20:33:07 hrw: Thanks a lot! I'm going to test. Jun 30 20:33:44 hrw: Another thing I've just remembered. Jun 30 20:34:21 hrw: After booting, an image is supposed to appear, instead of the boot log. Jun 30 20:34:48 hrw: In the c760 it looks like ... how to say? not aligned. Jun 30 20:35:25 hrw: It's a minor, stetic bug, because boots anyway. Jun 30 20:35:46 sirfred: can you post it to oz-devel? Jun 30 20:36:02 I can take care of it during next week Jun 30 20:36:06 hrw: Of course. Jun 30 20:36:15 thx Jun 30 20:36:43 hrw: You're wellcome Jun 30 20:38:16 I suspect oz-bootsplash needs seperate screendumps for each device Jun 30 20:38:56 dosbox RUNS! Jun 30 20:39:13 koen: yep Jun 30 20:39:20 koen: and akita one does not work on c7x0 Jun 30 20:39:31 sirfred: contact coredump - he maintain oz-bootsplash Jun 30 20:40:06 sirfred: or flash gpe-image and send him /etc/*grab* or sth like that (gpe-bootsplash needed) Jun 30 20:40:07 hrw: I've just send a reply to your announce. Jun 30 20:42:06 hrw: I don't understand. Jun 30 20:42:35 hrw: Does that mean that gpe-bootsplash is working fine, and the boot screen is supposed to be in that location? Jun 30 20:42:37 sirfred: contact CoreDump|afk - he will give proper details Jun 30 20:42:49 hrw: OK. Thanks again. Jun 30 20:46:03 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r36d6ac35... 10/packages/settings-daemon/settings-daemon_svn.bb: settings-daemon: set PV Jun 30 20:46:08 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rd22bf30a... 10/packages/dosbox/ (files/no-opengl.patch dosbox_0.65.bb): dosbox: unbreak it, force no OpenGL support. Made it working with help from raduga Jun 30 20:46:53 koen: that dosbox fix can be usefull in .dev but probably made in other way Jun 30 20:47:21 hrw: sorry if I wasn't more helpful. Jun 30 20:47:39 dosbox should "work" ok, in console, or X11. Jun 30 20:48:04 the keys that still need fixing are... just annoying, not a major defect. Jun 30 20:48:27 raduga: now it runs - more details can be now worked out by users Jun 30 20:48:49 openttd was built but not work - user comes with infos how to make it working Jun 30 20:48:52 i don't remember what was wrong with touchscreen, but there's a fix to make it 90% useful Jun 30 20:49:26 hrw: I'll post in bug tracker when I have time to work on it Jun 30 20:50:12 ok Jun 30 20:51:44 hrw: volume being broken a known bug? Jun 30 20:51:59 * koen gets &*#%$&*#%&#* annoyed with non-booting images Jun 30 20:52:23 teh c700 fails to mount the jffs2 partition and the hx doesn't like to run init Jun 30 20:52:28 JustinP: alsamixer works? Jun 30 20:53:00 hrw: I've desinstalled opie-mediummount, but no improvement. Jun 30 20:53:51 ;( Jun 30 20:53:57 sirfred: will have to debug it then Jun 30 20:54:12 hrw: I'm going to try to dump some logs of opie start, to see what happens. Jun 30 20:54:25 sirfred: qpe -nodaemon? Jun 30 20:54:27 hrw: The other problem: initial wizard using a very tiny screen, also persists. Jun 30 20:54:56 hrw: Yes, and setting a network connection before. Jun 30 20:59:19 hrw: Segmentation fault Jun 30 20:59:34 hrw: Last log lines are: Jun 30 20:59:54 : LauncherView::removeAllItems() Jun 30 20:59:54 : WARNING: XXXXXXXXXXX rescan Jun 30 20:59:54 Segmentation fault. Jun 30 21:00:05 thx Jun 30 21:00:09 hrw: np Jun 30 21:00:57 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r55b7b942... 10/packages/classpath/classpath_0.20.bb: classpath: added 0.20 from .dev Jun 30 21:01:02 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r05fdb2f9... 10/packages/jamvm/jamvm_1.4.2.bb: jamvm: added 1.4.2 from .dev Jun 30 21:01:06 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r645ae2fc... 10/packages/jikes/jikes_1.22.bb: jikes: added 1.22 from .dev Jun 30 21:01:10 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r3b86cb47... 10/packages/cramfs/cramfs/ (cramfs-andersee.patch makefile.patch): cramfs: added forgotten patches Jun 30 21:01:14 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rbca2184c... 10/packages/cdparanoia/files/Makefile.patch: cdparanoia: added forgotten patch Jun 30 21:01:18 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rb0002fc0... 10/packages/pipepanic/files/fix-datadir.patch: pipepanic: added forgotten patch Jun 30 21:01:34 sirfred: can you pastebin log? Jun 30 21:02:17 hrw: I have to say with shame that I've never have do it before. Jun 30 21:02:29 hrw: Can you give me an url? Jun 30 21:02:35 ~pastebin Jun 30 21:02:42 pastebin is probably a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/, or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or for #oe use http://oe.pastebin.com, or http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ Jun 30 21:02:51 Thanks. :) Jun 30 21:02:52 pastebin.ca looks fastest Jun 30 21:03:45 hrw: http://pastebin.ca/76003 Jun 30 21:04:00 thx Jun 30 21:04:35 sirfred: you had sd or cf inside? Jun 30 21:04:49 hrw: No Jun 30 21:04:56 hrw: And also removed opie-mediumount Jun 30 21:05:19 can you try with opie-mediummount installed? Jun 30 21:05:27 void DocumentListPrivate::initialize() Jun 30 21:05:33 its inside of it Jun 30 21:06:02 time to sleep Jun 30 21:06:09 have a nice weekend guys Jun 30 21:06:15 hrw: haven't been able to try it yet. But mpd didn't work....which seemed strange Jun 30 21:06:25 * JustinP lost some hearing Jun 30 21:06:25 hrw: Good night Jun 30 21:06:33 hrw: sleep well, thanks for the release work Jun 30 21:06:38 hrw: will do my best to test Jun 30 21:07:02 hrw: night Jun 30 21:07:53 JustinP: speaking about release... Jun 30 21:08:20 JustinP: no e-images. edb-native killed ewi once and I do not want to make it again Jun 30 21:08:50 edb-native + gtk-1.2 == thousands of gtk-config during do_configure() Jun 30 21:09:39 hrw: Same result with opie-mediummount installed. Jun 30 21:09:45 sirfred: ok. Jun 30 21:09:51 cu again Jun 30 21:10:00 hrw|gone: Now a pair of PcmciaManager::cardMessage( ) among WARNING and Segmentation fault Jun 30 21:11:09 god damn it Jun 30 21:11:29 ~lart ewi Jun 30 21:11:30 * ibot pries ewi's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to ewi Jun 30 21:11:43 * JustinP leaves to get some work done Jun 30 21:13:58 Night. Jun 30 21:18:14 hi# Jun 30 21:18:55 hi Jun 30 21:31:05 hrw|gone: Ill look at that next week, I thought I had fixed them, maybe I forgot that version Jun 30 21:41:58 woglinde:may i ask you about the bzImage? I can't get it compiled. I will try tomorrow with more different toolversions. Jun 30 21:42:08 mr_nice hm Jun 30 21:42:10 right Jun 30 21:42:17 that will be the easiest Jun 30 21:42:22 but I have to go now Jun 30 22:42:59 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r2f40a0b8... 10/packages/mplayer/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Jun 30 22:42:59 mplayer_1.0pre8.bb : small change in the include order that should Jun 30 22:42:59 hopefully fix the problem hrw saw in oz354x branch. I am unable to Jun 30 22:42:59 repeat in .dev but I had these patches in an earlier release for a Jun 30 22:42:59 very similiar error message. Jul 01 00:57:22 angstrom's xtscal segfaults on borzoi built with all the library preferred versions, which is kind of a problem Jul 01 00:58:20 's probably http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=996 Jul 01 01:52:44 hiya Jul 01 01:53:54 hey Jul 01 01:53:58 hi Jul 01 01:54:14 kinda quiet tonight... Jul 01 01:54:27 I'm trying to get a 256MB compact flash to boot Jul 01 01:54:37 running into geometry problems with boot loaders Jul 01 01:54:41 on its own? :-P Jul 01 01:55:12 connected to a pentium M embedded board Jul 01 01:55:26 which vendor? Jul 01 01:56:07 I can tell you in a minute Jul 01 01:56:16 it's a project I walked into the middle of Jul 01 01:56:58 is "general software" a vendor or just the guys who sold the bios to the vendor? Jul 01 01:57:13 heh Jul 01 01:57:19 never mind Jul 01 01:57:27 never mind? Jul 01 01:57:44 I meant the hardware model for the chipset Jul 01 01:58:24 I think it's pretty intelish Jul 01 01:58:31 it has dual intel gig-e on it Jul 01 01:58:34 * Borealid desperately tries swapping kdrive for xorg to stop segfaults Jul 01 01:58:54 an embedded board with dual gig-e? Jul 01 01:58:58 yep Jul 01 01:59:04 oh, something in the formfactor of a mac mini? Jul 01 01:59:10 or thereabouts? Jul 01 01:59:29 yep, around there, with PC104 Jul 01 02:00:06 heh, xorg compiled Jul 01 02:00:18 didn't expect that to work first shot Jul 01 02:00:47 know any good resources for compact flash and boot loaders - helping them to get along and like one another? Jul 01 02:01:19 I'm sorry, does the board have two gig-e controllers but no EIDE interfaces? Jul 01 02:01:28 2 eide interfaces Jul 01 02:01:35 then put a small drive in one of them Jul 01 02:01:41 and pivot_root if you really want to Jul 01 02:01:59 why make extra work? Jul 01 02:02:07 don't have a spare at home, and can't get it do play nice with the IDE CD-ROM on the breakout board Jul 01 02:02:18 ah. Jul 01 02:02:25 you mean run the board with a small drive connected? Jul 01 02:02:31 to what end? Jul 01 02:02:50 I don't know what you want to use it for Jul 01 02:03:04 it's for a commercial project - it needs to run from CF Jul 01 02:03:08 no HD allowed Jul 01 02:03:10 ok then Jul 01 02:03:33 I'm wondering if a 2MB ext2 partition at the beginning of the CF will solve my problems Jul 01 02:03:41 just to hold the kernel and boot loader stuff Jul 01 02:03:46 you have it as vfat? Jul 01 02:03:52 no, ext2 Jul 01 02:04:03 but I was trying with a ~8MB ext2 and it couldn't load the kernel Jul 01 02:04:14 bios can't see that far Jul 01 02:04:21 heh Jul 01 02:04:42 that might actually do it Jul 01 02:04:53 keeping it to the first few sectors Jul 01 02:05:03 it seems to see each KB of the flash card as a block Jul 01 02:05:16 so an ~8MB ext2 partition spans about 8000 blocks Jul 01 02:05:36 I thought block size was usually 4k Jul 01 02:05:46 for filesystems Jul 01 02:05:53 for disks, I thought it was 512 bytes Jul 01 02:05:59 Jul 01 02:06:06 it's all quite confusing, I agree Jul 01 02:06:22 <-- fell in love with EVMS a few months ago Jul 01 02:06:54 when a product can get you to go FROM doing something important by hand TO letting an abstract system manage it, you know it's good Jul 01 02:07:05 yep Jul 01 02:07:09 what evms are you using? Jul 01 02:07:25 2.5.5 Jul 01 02:07:28 -r1 Jul 01 02:07:47 is that being developed by Red Hat these days? Jul 01 02:07:59 it's a sourceforge project Jul 01 02:08:10 ok Jul 01 02:08:12 although a lot of stuff does come out of fedora Jul 01 02:08:16 I tried the original IBM one Jul 01 02:08:25 it was pretty nice Jul 01 02:08:32 the one that was in the kernel? Jul 01 02:08:36 yep Jul 01 02:08:38 now it's all userspace Jul 01 02:08:41 dev-mapper Jul 01 02:08:54 and it's much nicer :-D Jul 01 02:09:11 I accidentally removed two drives from my raid-5 Jul 01 02:09:16 and it put them back Jul 01 02:09:51 that doesn't sound very good to do Jul 01 02:10:00 no, it wasn't Jul 01 02:10:51 I definitely enjoy one-command online expansion of my root filesystem and partition Jul 01 02:11:09 "oh hey, I need some more space - here's 5GB extra" Jul 01 02:11:33 and you can do crazy stuff like making partitions with holes in the middle Jul 01 02:11:54 and ones that stretch from one drive to another Jul 01 02:11:58 hrm, seems like 1300K is too small for genext2fs? Jul 01 02:12:09 maybe a bug in my script Jul 01 02:12:09 really? Jul 01 02:12:22 mkfs.ext2 should be able to make a filesystem on that Jul 01 02:12:28 I just think it can't do 400 inodes in that space Jul 01 02:12:34 maybe not Jul 01 02:13:05 * Borealid needs a cooler for his CF wifi card Jul 01 02:16:32 it seemed to be choking even on 40 inodes Jul 01 02:16:35 anyway, works now Jul 01 02:16:45 great Jul 01 02:16:52 well, doesn't boot yet Jul 01 02:16:54 haven't tried that Jul 01 02:20:06 oh good Jul 01 02:20:11 got good info from grub Jul 01 02:20:25 "geometry (hd0)" spits out what the bios is seeing as geometry Jul 01 02:21:11 hany Jul 01 02:21:13 handy too Jul 01 02:21:41 ok Jul 01 02:21:45 I think I can get this working now Jul 01 02:22:56 fdisk -C 1024 -H 1 -S 1 Jul 01 02:22:59 that should do it Jul 01 02:24:19 hrm Jul 01 02:24:24 will need to play with that Jul 01 02:27:28 can just set bios to 1009/4/62 Jul 01 02:28:45 and pray Jul 01 02:29:00 heh Jul 01 02:53:03 grr Jul 01 02:53:13 my vmware 5.5 crashes when I unmount the cf, consistently Jul 01 02:53:16 that makes things hard Jul 01 02:54:57 read-only mounts/unmounts seem to work so I'm safe Jul 01 02:55:11 yay munging Jul 01 02:55:34 I think I've discovered the secret Jul 01 02:55:44 yet lilo just gives me an "L" Jul 01 02:56:54 prolly need to put the thing in the mbr Jul 01 02:58:19 if you plan to boot from it, the boot loader must be in the mbr, yes Jul 01 02:58:37 you can do that with grub-install for grub - or the grub shell Jul 01 02:58:46 the bios finds the mbr Jul 01 02:58:51 executes the program there Jul 01 02:58:54 maybe I didn't mark the partition active Jul 01 02:58:58 I think lilo wants that Jul 01 02:59:02 grub doesn't care Jul 01 02:59:03 lilo may Jul 01 02:59:07 windows does Jul 01 02:59:26 it was marked active Jul 01 02:59:31 ouch **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 01 02:59:56 2006