**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 17 02:59:58 2006 Jul 17 03:07:19 hello Jul 17 03:07:54 ? Jul 17 03:12:44 Are all c3100's the same or is there a few versions better than others? Jul 17 03:13:40 is everyone asleep in OZ? Jul 17 06:17:24 morning Jul 17 06:21:13 good morning all Jul 17 06:47:18 <_law_> hi koen Jul 17 06:54:02 morning all Jul 17 07:39:24 morning Jul 17 07:41:03 hey XorA Jul 17 07:43:59 koen, XorA: hi! Jul 17 07:44:17 any news from then speedier monotone transformation? Jul 17 07:46:35 ~lart mutt for not letting me read my mail Jul 17 07:46:35 * ibot chops mutt in half with a free AOL CD for not letting me read my mail Jul 17 07:47:39 hey schurig Jul 17 07:47:55 schurig: see http://www.openembedded.org/ Jul 17 07:48:42 morning all Jul 17 07:48:58 hey ade|desk Jul 17 07:49:44 koen: I've seen this, but today I wanted to get the last updates from monotone.vanille.de, dominion.kabel.utwente.nl and ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl (in that order) and couldn't connect to anyone Jul 17 07:50:28 schurig: Ive just pulled from vanille Jul 17 07:50:40 koen: hey Jul 17 07:50:45 XorA: hmm, then my firewall is weird :-) Jul 17 07:51:02 schurig: sometimes vanille gets congested and does wierd things, try again Jul 17 07:51:27 zecke: hey to you too Jul 17 07:51:43 koen: you md5sumed by binaries Jul 17 07:51:52 schurig: try monotone.openembedded.org Jul 17 07:52:01 zecke: yep Jul 17 08:05:50 libsdl-qpe compile breaks with a million of 'multiple definition of ...' Jul 17 08:10:05 cbrake_away: check the fancy new TOC of http://www.openembedded.org/oefaq Jul 17 08:10:31 cbrake_away: html anchors sort of work now Jul 17 08:13:21 TEMic: that is not good Jul 17 08:13:41 TEMic: which version of binutils was used? Jul 17 08:14:08 2.16 Jul 17 08:21:42 hmm Jul 17 08:22:00 okay so binutils 2.16 is not right as well :} Jul 17 08:22:21 why? Jul 17 08:22:45 well: We introduced binutils 2.17 and glibc 2.3 stopped compiling with an error with __bind Jul 17 08:23:00 we went back to binutils 2.16 and it gives multiple definitions Jul 17 08:23:22 so we need to find out what openzaurus-unstable has used before ( I could have sworn it was binutils 2.16) Jul 17 08:23:48 zecke: It was a 2.15.xxxx version Jul 17 08:24:04 TEMic: edit your distro conf and instead of using 2.16 select one of the hight 2.15.99* versions Jul 17 08:24:12 zecke: check poky - It was setup the same as OZ Jul 17 08:24:22 hehe :) Jul 17 08:24:28 zecke: it worked fine, till you reverted my cset Jul 17 08:24:33 RP: evil advertising Jul 17 08:24:36 zecke: ok, give me... 3 hours ;-) Jul 17 08:24:40 koen: haeh? Jul 17 08:25:14 zecke: I committed this: http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=76c8df086a972bf977e792a3dc937701548faf7a Jul 17 08:25:17 PREFERRED_VERSION_binutils-cross ?= "2.15.94.0.1" Jul 17 08:25:37 koen: it is - not _ Jul 17 08:25:41 zecke: which you reverted by doing this: http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=f74c5b28674ae947e0e24d96c8a8d05ed2810c69 Jul 17 08:26:08 koen: so I reverted because I thought it was old, because it was wrong :) Jul 17 08:26:44 koen: I will disapprove my cset Jul 17 08:26:55 zecke: ehm Jul 17 08:26:56 koen: and correct yours, I probably even try this 'pluck' thing Jul 17 08:27:01 zecke: we're read-only Jul 17 08:27:05 koen: right Jul 17 08:27:12 file a bug :) Jul 17 08:27:17 koen: this is why I didn't gave any time Jul 17 08:27:17 hehe Jul 17 08:27:23 :p Jul 17 08:30:11 koen: #1183 Jul 17 08:55:03 morning : Will firefox work with Opie? Or is it just a GPE app? Jul 17 08:55:28 <|BundaBRG|> Its X11 only, so not Opie. Jul 17 08:55:50 ok Jul 17 09:16:24 zecke: also crashes with binutils-cross 2.15.94.0.1 Jul 17 09:16:34 rebuild it Jul 17 09:16:48 and don't say crashes Jul 17 09:17:10 rebuild what? Jul 17 09:17:27 binutils, gcc, glibc, the package Jul 17 09:18:33 argh! i forgot to gcc and glibc. ok, i'll see Jul 17 09:19:19 TEMic: are you really logged in as "root"? Don't IRC while being root ... Jul 17 09:23:41 ~ugt Jul 17 09:23:46 methinks ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. Jul 17 09:25:43 schurig: Why not? It's an isolated system with nothing but irc client and firewall... my admins decision... Jul 17 09:43:06 why would you? it gains you nothing Jul 17 09:43:56 morning kergoth Jul 17 09:44:19 hey kergoth Jul 17 09:44:42 hey Jul 17 10:02:25 morning folks Jul 17 10:03:43 mickey|office: hey Jul 17 10:04:11 mickey|office: the status: I'm running db check on openembedded.org Jul 17 10:04:27 it is at 2.562 Jul 17 10:06:02 good morning Jul 17 10:06:16 hey Bernardo Jul 17 10:10:05 zecke: cool. i'm really glad you're doing this, btw. Jul 17 10:10:15 morning all Jul 17 10:10:19 well. I don't code much in the public ATM Jul 17 10:10:20 morning dirk Jul 17 10:10:26 hey Dirk Jul 17 10:10:31 so org. and misc. stuff is a good thing to do then Jul 17 10:10:37 zecke: we will come back to that, won't we? :)) Jul 17 10:10:51 hey mickey|office, koen Jul 17 10:10:59 mickey|office: sure! Jul 17 10:11:05 hmmm Jul 17 10:11:20 once you get used to the braindead indenting python isn't too bad Jul 17 10:11:29 hehe Jul 17 10:11:35 * mickey|office bites on his tounge and stays calm Jul 17 10:11:37 and once you get used to it, you start to like it Jul 17 10:12:08 I still hate the indenting ;-) Jul 17 10:12:24 RP: don't you indent C code as well? Jul 17 10:12:29 RP: and now you are forced to :) Jul 17 10:12:36 no more forgetting '{' and '}' Jul 17 10:12:47 python actually forces me to indent *less* than I'm used to Jul 17 10:13:04 ~indentation Jul 17 10:13:06 methinks indentation is let me quote Donald E. Knuth on that: 'We will perhaps eventually be writing only small modules which are identified by name as they are used to build larger ones, so that devices like indentation, rather than delimiters, might become feasible for expressing local structure in the source language.' Jul 17 10:13:10 :D Jul 17 10:13:22 do you want to argue with Knuth? Jul 17 10:14:05 mickey|office: maybe after building a working pdp-8 from toothpicks Jul 17 10:14:13 *nod* Jul 17 10:14:40 or how Bruce Eckels put it Jul 17 10:14:45 "life is better without braces" Jul 17 10:14:46 heh Jul 17 10:14:48 mickey|office: did you know PDP-11 used to control the doors in the ICE? Jul 17 10:14:57 zecke: is it? funny :) Jul 17 10:15:08 mickey|office: one of the last things DEC sold Jul 17 10:15:27 PDP-11 SoC because it had all the certification in place Jul 17 10:16:01 new business idea: the retro pda, powered by a pdp-11 SoC Jul 17 10:16:51 and of course a bluetooth punchcard reader :) Jul 17 10:17:13 ugh Jul 17 10:17:44 I wonder how much a replacement pdp-11 SoC costs Jul 17 10:18:11 DEC is out of business :) Jul 17 10:19:18 zecke: suppose a ICE door breaks, what does deutsche bahn do? :) Jul 17 10:21:02 nchip: order a new train :) Jul 17 10:21:25 heh Jul 17 10:22:06 mickey|office: good morning Jul 17 10:22:08 zecke: good morning Jul 17 10:22:13 master! Jul 17 10:22:26 morning phil! Jul 17 10:34:46 Hi there, where can i find IPv6 modules for Poodle Jul 17 10:38:32 RickSeymour: 'bitbake vritual/kernel' and see if it's there Jul 17 10:42:20 thanks..... havent got bitbake on the pda... so i'll do it (if poss) on the gentoo box Jul 17 10:44:44 do you know when the next version of GPE (2.8) is out? was scheduled for june 2006 Jul 17 10:51:13 try #gpe :) Jul 17 10:51:42 :P thanks .... "its not ready yet" :) Jul 17 11:07:03 Morning all Jul 17 11:10:12 I tried to create an Anstrom gpe-image last night but it errred out on binutils-2.17 Jul 17 11:10:55 http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/6lNUu878.html Jul 17 11:12:06 jerrybme: this doesn't contain an error? Jul 17 11:12:10 jerrybme: it just says there was one Jul 17 11:12:23 To build Angstrom,Is the only change needed to a working local.conf "DISTRO = "angstrom-2006.9"? Jul 17 11:15:02 zecke: not suer where to look, same info is in log.do_compile Jul 17 11:15:56 and you need to wipe TMPDIR Jul 17 11:16:05 since OZ and angstrom aren't binary compatible Jul 17 11:17:20 thanks, will do Jul 17 11:17:37 koen: do we have prebuilt angstrom images? Jul 17 11:17:57 zecke: only non-working ones Jul 17 11:18:42 zecke: and I don't have the time right now to debug it all Jul 17 11:18:59 especially since angstrom isn't going to use task-bootstrap Jul 17 11:38:33 meh Jul 17 11:38:45 why are vintage computers so heavy? Jul 17 11:45:07 koen: all that clockwork Jul 17 11:45:45 that must be it Jul 17 11:46:03 * koen admires the space gained Jul 17 11:46:29 koen: an interesting vintage? Jul 17 11:46:52 2x sgi indigo2, 1x hp pa-risc, 2x 17" crt Jul 17 11:47:19 I moved them to the bicycle shedthingy Jul 17 11:48:11 I should move the sparcs there as well Jul 17 11:48:21 but that requires moving a 21" crt Jul 17 11:48:26 need to invent a shrink ray Jul 17 12:05:42 * Crofton is slowly getting rid of all the CRT's in the house ... Jul 17 12:07:38 hey woglinde Jul 17 12:08:11 he koen Jul 17 12:11:27 woglinde: how are you? Jul 17 12:11:45 zecke fine? Jul 17 12:11:46 why? Jul 17 12:11:52 woglinde: small talk :) Jul 17 12:12:08 hm oh right I would have a new cellphone Jul 17 12:12:22 aeh I need a new one Jul 17 12:12:39 woglinde: why? Your TCM Hi-Tech phone is nice Jul 17 12:13:07 no the contact for the transformer is a little broken Jul 17 12:13:19 "For those that think we're in Stage 3 for too long, please note that if Jul 17 12:13:20 every frequent GCC contributor fixed three regressions, we'd be under Jul 17 12:13:20 100. We could do it tomorrow -- and certainly this week! -- with a Jul 17 12:13:20 concerted effort." Jul 17 12:13:21 so I couldnt load the battery in a good manner Jul 17 12:13:28 optimistic gcc people Jul 17 12:13:55 koen lol Jul 17 12:14:18 that was about branching gcc 4.2 Jul 17 12:14:34 zecke are you got some sleep? Jul 17 12:17:12 woglinde: little, but you must be a lot poorer Jul 17 12:17:18 woglinde: is he crying often? Jul 17 12:17:44 hi zecke Jul 17 12:18:54 zecke nope Jul 17 12:19:06 he awakes 2 times during night to get some food Jul 17 12:19:12 with out crying Jul 17 12:22:39 koen: wiping tmp dir didn't solve angstrom biuld problem Jul 17 12:22:51 http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/3slORG36.html Jul 17 12:22:54 hi drw Jul 17 12:23:05 hi woglinde Jul 17 12:23:59 jerry binutils 2.17 Jul 17 12:24:04 try 2.16 Jul 17 12:24:40 no Jul 17 12:24:45 eabi needs 2.17 Jul 17 12:25:21 Is angstrom too experimental for a user like me to build? Jul 17 12:25:32 koen oh Jul 17 12:25:38 koen hm right Jul 17 12:25:44 makeinfo is missing Jul 17 12:25:55 but why the fuck binutils stumble about it Jul 17 12:26:53 jerrybme try to install makeinfo commando Jul 17 12:27:52 didn't the sanity checker warn about missing texinfo? Jul 17 12:28:41 zecke aeh binutils shouldnt stumble anyway Jul 17 12:30:14 I'm using Ubuntu & makeinfo isn't in their repository. I'll install maually Jul 17 12:33:51 jerrybme: and OE didn't warn you about missing texinfo package? Jul 17 12:36:13 Not that I noticed, there were messages about not creating documentation but thought they weren't critical Jul 17 12:36:28 installed texinfo now Jul 17 12:38:57 clean binutils now Jul 17 12:39:15 did you remove the sanity checker? Jul 17 12:39:28 wiped tmp dir again starting fresh Jul 17 12:40:18 remove sanity checker?? Jul 17 12:41:34 OE should warn about missing texinfo binary Jul 17 12:41:43 this is actually what wonders me the most Jul 17 12:43:41 not enough saved lines for me to go back & check Jul 17 12:44:58 I was able to compile simple apps for openzaurus like nano without texinfo Jul 17 12:45:09 ???? Jul 17 12:45:30 whithout binutils-cross you cant compile anything Jul 17 12:45:35 anyway you might be more interested in not using binutils 2.17 ;) Jul 17 12:46:21 No, the earlier version of binutils was used for openzaurus, now I'm trying Angstrom Jul 17 12:46:37 zecke hm Jul 17 12:46:41 ah okay Jul 17 12:46:45 new linux version is out Jul 17 12:46:49 with fixex for arm Jul 17 12:52:56 made it past binutils, thanks for the help Jul 17 12:53:40 no prob Jul 17 13:07:41 woglinde: 2.6.18-rc2? Jul 17 13:08:42 koen binutils? Jul 17 13:16:26 RP: I dont suppose you have a rediffed version of Liams latest asoc? Jul 17 13:40:45 * mrz80 is away: Metaphysically I'm still here; physically, I'm elsewhere Jul 17 13:43:07 XorA: Not yet. We need the fixes I mentioned as well Jul 17 13:43:34 hi kerwood Jul 17 13:43:40 XorA: I won't have a chance to touch that until this evening Jul 17 13:46:08 RP: its ok, I finally noticed why it dint work, its missing makefile patch Jul 17 13:48:41 koen: where may I put the the DB? Jul 17 13:56:09 I'm a idiot... Jul 17 14:02:41 zecke: ~/monotone/migration ? Jul 17 14:05:14 is that exported via http? Jul 17 14:08:03 zecke: or ~/website/files/ Jul 17 14:08:48 has db check finished already? Jul 17 14:19:07 koen: no, and I'm a moron :) Jul 17 14:19:20 koen: today morning, I did not pull in the NSLu2 bits Jul 17 14:19:27 koen: so I might need to run a second check Jul 17 14:22:17 * mrz80 is back (gone 00:41:32) Jul 17 14:27:32 anyone knoe of a hqx extractor for debian ? Jul 17 14:27:43 s/knoe/know Jul 17 14:28:24 hqx? Jul 17 14:28:26 Look at macutils? Jul 17 14:28:28 koen: Binhex Jul 17 14:31:13 RP: looks like Liam broke the clocks again :-( Jul 17 14:31:25 * lrg hides Jul 17 14:31:38 lrg: how did yah manage that trick :-) Jul 17 14:31:41 hey Liam Jul 17 14:32:06 XorA: i had to make changes for AT91RM9200 cpu. Jul 17 14:32:37 XorA: the clocking was a little too specific and needed to be generalised Jul 17 14:32:58 lrg: http://pastebin.ca/90259 Jul 17 14:36:03 XorA: it's not matching. I'll send a patch tonight. Did I manage to clobber spitz as well ? Jul 17 14:36:25 lrg: have to ask a spitz user that :-) Jul 17 14:36:42 I've not tested it yet Jul 17 14:36:49 * lrg no longer has jis spitz Jul 17 14:36:52 his Jul 17 14:37:28 mikearthur needs to spend his government beer tokens on spitz :-) Jul 17 14:39:53 lrg: did I send you my address already? Jul 17 14:40:04 I had to run out on friday and can't remember if I did Jul 17 14:40:24 koen: yep, I'm going to send it tonight or tomorrow Jul 17 14:41:29 XorA: is it just 8k that is broken ? Jul 17 14:42:14 lrg: ah, cool Jul 17 14:42:15 thanks Jul 17 14:42:35 lrg: that was 44.1K Jul 17 14:45:05 koen: nice TOC improvements in the FAQ -- that works :-) Jul 17 14:45:32 cbrake: it does break the html spec a bit Jul 17 14:45:46 cbrake: requires a closing Jul 17 14:45:47 lrg: used -af resample= to try 8K and 48K and they seem broken as well Jul 17 14:46:18 koen: thats where xhtml is so useful Jul 17 14:46:47 XorA: in this case it's just a broken parser Jul 17 14:47:11 the thing is a feature of an ugly patch I applied Jul 17 15:25:47 how can I get i586-oe-linux/staging/bin first in my PATH? Jul 17 15:26:00 PATH =+ doesn't quite do it Jul 17 15:26:24 I seem to remember koen sugesting binconfig Jul 17 15:26:51 but I have inhertited from that and still can not get something at the front of my path Jul 17 15:35:51 tkp: good question. Set PATH Jul 17 15:35:59 tkp: e.g. PATH = MOO:${PATH} Jul 17 15:38:41 yes.. ok. Jul 17 15:38:56 binconfig seems to have done almost what I wanted Jul 17 15:39:59 although it installled the binaries into x86_64-linux/bin (native) rather than i586-oe-linux/bin which is where I thought they would go Jul 17 16:08:57 binconfig binaries are going into $HOST_SYS, not TARGET_SYS Jul 17 16:26:42 ~seen mr_nice Jul 17 16:26:49 mr_nice was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 27d 3h 13m 33s ago, saying: 'exit'. Jul 17 16:26:58 bummer Jul 17 16:27:03 ~alias mr_nice Jul 17 16:27:53 x29a: mr_nice_slacker Jul 17 16:27:58 ~seen mr_nice_slacker Jul 17 16:28:01 mr_nice_slacker was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 5d 4h 27m 32s ago, saying: 'or where to do a feature request - right here?'. Jul 17 16:28:05 ah, better Jul 17 16:28:07 but still Jul 17 16:28:10 zecke: thx, n hi Jul 17 16:34:47 hmm. Jul 17 16:35:01 'where to do a feature request - right here?' is right? ;) Jul 17 16:35:19 preferable bugtracker Jul 17 16:35:24 also for bug reports? and requests that the developers pay attention, and do what we want them to do? Jul 17 16:35:27 1st bugtracker, 2nd might try here Jul 17 16:35:30 zecke: hence the ;) Jul 17 16:36:02 telling people to post bug reports and feature requests on the tracker, seems to be one of the main functions of this channel Jul 17 16:36:13 hehe Jul 17 16:36:24 yes, it should be for Open Embedded developers to confer with eachother, and discuss relevant things Jul 17 16:53:30 mickeyl: isn't there a way for OE to tell if a distro version doesn't exist? Jul 17 16:53:49 using require Jul 17 16:54:12 using the sanity.bbclass+bbhich Jul 17 17:04:24 when you add something to DEPENDS, does that alter CFLAGS/LDFLAGS in any way, or does it simply make sure the DEPENDS packages are built first? Jul 17 17:22:38 tkp: make sure it's built Jul 17 17:26:06 koen: it boils down to whether we want to allow the flexibility of not setting a DISTRO at all Jul 17 17:26:18 we could use require Jul 17 17:26:24 and then add an empty distro Jul 17 17:26:44 for those who don't want DISTRO rules to apply Jul 17 17:28:08 people that don't want a distro are advanced enough to fix it themselves, right? Jul 17 17:28:40 yeah. i met only one who wants to build DISTROless Jul 17 17:29:17 hrm Jul 17 17:29:24 stupid read-only Jul 17 17:29:26 hehe Jul 17 17:29:36 found myself wanting to change some things today as well Jul 17 17:29:47 need to relax until Thursday and then I'm out for a week anyway Jul 17 17:30:09 build up a quilt queue and put it online Jul 17 17:30:15 heh Jul 17 17:30:16 me and quilt Jul 17 17:30:28 now we know about --author we can push eachother csets ;) Jul 17 17:31:21 :D Jul 17 17:31:23 * mickeyl fighting for the release of zudoku source code Jul 17 17:31:27 http://www.figlabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25 Jul 17 17:32:20 micheyl what? Jul 17 17:32:35 zudoku. a GPLed sudoku game for Opie Jul 17 17:33:20 when I conquer the world I'm outlawing words starting with 'g', 'q' and 'z' Jul 17 17:33:28 hehe Jul 17 17:33:36 bbl, going to eat somewhere Jul 17 17:33:44 ~bon appetit Jul 17 17:33:45 bye mickeyl Jul 17 17:33:46 i heard bon appetit is smacznego. Guten Appetit. Eet Smakelijk. God Appetitt. Buon Appetito. Buen apetito Bom Apetite. buen apetito Jul 17 17:33:46 mickey: me too! Jul 17 17:33:46 merci Jul 17 17:33:56 * raduga goes for tea and a sandwich Jul 17 17:45:12 yay! Jul 17 17:45:20 new SG:atlantis episodes Jul 17 17:45:30 * koen restores from internet backup Jul 17 17:46:12 dont like that Jul 17 17:46:15 *g* Jul 17 18:27:49 hello everyone Jul 17 18:38:25 Hi Greg2 Jul 17 18:39:32 hey hvontres|poodle Jul 17 18:40:11 are you testing 2.6 on your poodle yet? Jul 17 18:40:49 yes, but with some problems Jul 17 18:41:00 like what? Jul 17 18:41:29 image size now... it's too big Jul 17 18:41:56 it's very quit here with oe read-only Jul 17 18:43:19 hmm, which image are you trying to build? I managed to get an opie image to work.. running it right now. Jul 17 18:44:15 with the current meta data the opie-image is too big for the poodle flash Jul 17 18:44:24 Greg2: you're welcome to test the images I built if you like Jul 17 18:45:11 JustinP ; thanks but i wouldj rather pisk your brain Jul 17 18:45:24 s/pisk/pick Jul 17 18:45:47 * JustinP ha sno poodle Jul 17 18:45:58 I just built images so people could test Jul 17 18:46:03 I can help with some OE stuff, though Jul 17 18:46:11 k Jul 17 18:46:24 do you have a bit of time for me to 'explain' a poodle image build problem and give me your opinion? Jul 17 18:46:25 if the rootfs size is too big you could always "flash" bootstrap and use altboot to boot from an image on SD or CF Jul 17 18:46:31 I can try Jul 17 18:46:46 yesterday my initrd.bin was 21.5mb with nonworking ts Jul 17 18:46:53 so today i updated my data base and my initrd.bin is 21.6mb now and it caused the first boot after flashing to run out of space Jul 17 18:47:02 this was probably the reason my ts wouldn't work... no space to write a calibration? Jul 17 18:47:11 'I think' (hehe) that the /machine/poodle.conf should have Jul 17 18:47:11 ROOT_FLASH_SIZE = ?32? changed to-> ?22? Jul 17 18:47:28 check the poodle-2.6.conf file. I think in the .dev branch they changed the root flash size Jul 17 18:47:32 nd then modify the meta-opie.bb accordingly so it fits on flash Jul 17 18:48:12 I believe that is what I used. the 32 includes mtdblk1 and 2 .:) Jul 17 18:48:20 the poodle-2.6.conf in oz354x was updated a few times recently Jul 17 18:48:41 but the size is in poodle.conf Jul 17 18:48:55 I have no idea myself what the real root size is Jul 17 18:49:16 22mb Jul 17 18:49:33 df shows 22MB? Jul 17 18:49:37 /dev/mmcblk0p4 22.0M 21.1M 920.0k 96% /media/ROM Jul 17 18:49:40 yes Jul 17 18:49:58 altbooting from sd right now.:) Jul 17 18:50:41 hmmm.... Jul 17 18:50:55 perhaps it should be changed to 22MB then Jul 17 18:50:56 that's a temp fix... but i would like it to work from flash Jul 17 18:51:11 I suggest altering the _poodle overrides in the task files to remove some programs then Jul 17 18:51:21 hi Jul 17 18:51:24 i install pdaXrom Jul 17 18:51:32 but my Wifi not works Jul 17 18:51:44 OZ != pdaXrom Jul 17 18:51:55 pdaXrom doesn't use OE either, IIRC Jul 17 18:51:58 :7 Jul 17 18:52:06 yep, but i ask for if somebody know Jul 17 18:52:09 did you have a question about OE? Jul 17 18:52:10 I used to run the sme image from flash, but I think I boked someting over the weekend and I am using my sd setup as a backup until I can fix it. :) Jul 17 18:52:14 whats that? Did you try to go to line 7 in your vim window? Jul 17 18:52:38 JustinP: how can an idiot rebuild the task-opie-extra-apps.ipk that he deleted when attempting to resize his image :-( Jul 17 18:53:58 Greg2: in OE or on the poodle? Jul 17 18:54:07 oe Jul 17 18:54:29 in OE: bitbake task-opie-extra-apps...:) Jul 17 18:54:39 yes Jul 17 18:54:54 and that does not work ? Jul 17 18:55:00 no Jul 17 18:56:11 hmm, maybe try running bitbake -i and then "rebuild task-opie-extra-apps". I don't know how to do a rebuild from the command line yet Jul 17 18:56:29 i'm teaching myself how to modify bb files :-) Jul 17 18:57:17 Greg2: kinda confusing at first, isn't it :) Jul 17 18:59:00 hvontres|poodle yes, they have to be perfect in order to be parsed properly Jul 17 19:02:05 Greg2: have you tried GPE yet? Jul 17 19:03:41 hvontres|poodle: not with 2.6.17 Jul 17 19:04:41 hey koen Jul 17 19:04:57 hey Greg2 Jul 17 19:05:55 re koen Jul 17 19:06:09 hey woglinde Jul 17 19:06:49 hi guys - i have a collie but would like to get a poodle (when i have some money) - it looks like the poodle would run a long time but can any of you answer: what is the longest time youve had a poodle run from battery power? Jul 17 19:07:33 what key it's equal to control and escape from C760? Jul 17 19:07:39 don't get a poodle Jul 17 19:07:45 it only has 32MB ram Jul 17 19:07:59 malcom_mx: left jap key Jul 17 19:08:14 and cancel == esc Jul 17 19:08:17 koen: i realize the ram is small but i have a pretty big SD card on the collie already Jul 17 19:08:35 ok Jul 17 19:08:35 poushag: ? Jul 17 19:08:36 thanks Jul 17 19:08:44 poushag: I said ram, not flash Jul 17 19:09:00 oh sorry - didnt get much sleep last night Jul 17 19:09:40 off to get some lunch Jul 17 19:09:54 koen: is there another Z with similar chassis (portrait style with same size screen) and more ram? Jul 17 19:10:19 poushag: tosa Jul 17 19:10:45 thx koen - i dont suppose you have a link to a pic handy? Jul 17 19:11:02 ~google tosa zaurus Jul 17 19:11:58 yeah will do Jul 17 19:13:43 bbl Jul 17 19:20:10 koen Jul 17 19:20:11 not works Jul 17 19:20:25 i exec ping and i don't cancel Jul 17 19:31:18 Greg2: if you deleted the file do: monotone revert xxx.bb Jul 17 19:45:51 JustinP: i deleted the task-opie-extra-apps.ipk in deploy and now i can't build opie-image Jul 17 19:45:57 i have the bitbake manual in front of me, but i can't rebuild the task-opie-extra-apps.ipk that is needed for the rootfs Jul 17 19:46:05 why not? Jul 17 19:46:09 rebuild task-opie Jul 17 19:46:44 i have the bitbake manual in front of me, but i can't rebuild the task-opie-extra-apps.ipk that is needed for the rootfs Jul 17 19:46:59 whoops Jul 17 19:47:26 or bitbake -c build -f task-opie Jul 17 19:48:27 Collected errors: Cannot find package task-opie-extra-apps Jul 17 19:49:48 Greg2: did you rebuild task-opie? Jul 17 19:50:25 i'll try Jul 17 19:52:13 Nothing provides dependency task-opie Jul 17 19:56:27 Greg2: rebuild meta-opie Jul 17 19:57:04 i'll try Jul 17 20:01:19 JustinP: that worked, now i'll try opie-image Jul 17 20:01:47 I forgot it was different in oz354x than dev Jul 17 20:02:10 not everything Java touches is better for it... Jul 17 20:02:52 @#$%^ wrong channel :( Jul 17 20:07:12 JustinP: Cannot find package task-opie-extra-apps Jul 17 20:07:15 JustinP: there has to be a way to fix this mess Jul 17 20:07:43 Greg2: did you delete the .bb file or just the ipkg? Jul 17 20:08:27 Greg2: find the bbfile where the ipkg is made and rebuild it... Jul 17 20:08:27 just the damn ipk and stamps Jul 17 20:08:37 deleting the stamps should make it work Jul 17 20:08:45 you must be rebuilding the wrong thing Jul 17 20:20:36 ooops .... ERROR: Unable to open conf/bitbake.conf Jul 17 20:21:43 minipanda: BBPATH Jul 17 20:21:57 JustinP: yeap, and let me check ... Jul 17 20:28:08 JustinP: it's very hot here today, and i'm starting to loose my temper :-/ Jul 17 20:28:12 JustinP: i have removed the task-opie-extra-apps from the meta-opie.bb :) Jul 17 20:28:17 'll try again now Jul 17 20:29:36 Greg2: you're sure you actually rebuilt meta-opie? Jul 17 20:29:48 yes Jul 17 20:29:58 Greg2: try "clean meta-opie" then "build meta-opie" and watch the packaging part to see what ipks it creates Jul 17 20:30:16 it's too late now Jul 17 20:35:12 koen|away: now it is checking the revs Jul 17 20:35:14 koen|away: I will kill it now Jul 17 20:56:03 mornin Jul 17 20:56:22 JustinP: i have removed the task-opie-extra-apps from the meta-opie.bb, did bitbake -c clean meta-opie, bitbake meta-opie, bitbake opie-image Jul 17 20:56:37 ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-opie-extra-apps: Jul 17 20:56:37 | ${task-opie-extra-apps} Jul 17 20:57:04 JustinP: thanks for all you help on this, but i must call it a day... head hurts :-( Jul 17 20:59:30 goodnight all Jul 17 20:59:46 Greg2: ${ }??? Jul 17 20:59:51 that's what's wrong! Jul 17 21:04:50 looks like an uninitilalized var Jul 17 21:11:24 rosterifyng the 8.777 nodes now Jul 17 21:11:39 yay! Jul 17 21:13:35 nite Jul 17 21:16:37 zecke: ping me if you have a rosterified .db, and I'll have a look at updating the cronjobs and viewmtn Jul 17 21:18:12 koen: have you downloaded Luke's patched viewmtn? Jul 17 21:20:02 no, I didn't know it even existed Jul 17 21:20:29 anyway Jul 17 21:20:31 * koen -> zzzz Jul 17 21:24:36 is dev. closed for commits? Jul 17 21:25:15 Kristoffer: check www.openembedded.org Jul 17 21:25:28 Ah, doh just rememberd Jul 17 21:25:29 Kristoffer: we have sent 6 announcements, two stories :) Jul 17 21:25:37 yeah :D just abit slow today Jul 17 21:25:44 and you are the first that asks :) Jul 17 21:26:00 Been, working nights and left my head in bed Jul 17 21:26:34 hehe Jul 17 21:32:20 nite Jul 17 21:35:18 zecke, nite man Jul 17 21:41:26 koen|away, got a link to the Package sorting script? Jul 17 22:00:03 hi Jul 17 22:02:53 CoreDump|home, hey :D Jul 17 22:03:04 Im feeling lost when committing is offline :) Jul 17 22:03:18 it is annoying at times, yes Jul 17 22:04:49 CosmicPenguin: you there dude? Jul 17 22:05:05 I hope so Jul 17 22:05:09 hey ! Jul 17 22:05:19 been a while :) been hoping to catch you Jul 17 22:05:45 I have been done caught - whats up? Jul 17 22:05:49 * jkp rolls the cigarette before he commences Jul 17 22:06:17 so Jul 17 22:06:32 imgloader doesnt seem to like imaging running systems Jul 17 22:06:43 whch you said might be the case Jul 17 22:07:19 so i wanted to quiz you on how you might setup a firmware update thing with that in mind... Jul 17 22:07:27 im guessing some kind of ramdisk is needed? Jul 17 22:07:51 well, in the stupidest case, yes Jul 17 22:08:14 but that assumes that you have free ram as big as your flash Jul 17 22:08:28 should have Jul 17 22:08:58 its painful the way we have to update atm Jul 17 22:09:04 would love to get something working Jul 17 22:09:09 all updates are painful - its a fact of life Jul 17 22:09:16 if you have the ramdisk memory available, then its an easy operation Jul 17 22:09:31 but the ramdisk image would need to have the new img in it right? Jul 17 22:09:39 sync down your filesystems, remount them as read-only (or better yet, unmap them) Jul 17 22:09:41 and then image them Jul 17 22:10:01 oh ok, so build a ramdisk on the fly? Jul 17 22:10:20 chroot into it? and then do what you said? Jul 17 22:10:40 probably - the problem is ensuing that you have everything you need in memory Jul 17 22:10:47 where everything you need is 1) the binary and 2) the .img Jul 17 22:11:03 the binary needs to be static then Jul 17 22:11:18 Now, you could probably work around 2) if you were clever - you could figure out where the .img was on the block device, and read the blocks into memory before you blow them away Jul 17 22:11:39 could you not just have a script to do this on a live system? Jul 17 22:11:48 create a ramdisk, copy in image and porgram Jul 17 22:12:12 Like I said several days ago, I would just do it from a initramfs Jul 17 22:12:29 right, but what do you put in that and how do you construct it? Jul 17 22:12:37 Well, where does the .img come from? Jul 17 22:13:13 youre ona live system, you download the image, create a ramdisk, copy in, mount from ram to a mount Jul 17 22:13:18 hmmm Jul 17 22:13:34 So, if you're in an initrd - you do the same thing Jul 17 22:13:37 mount it somehow, then chroot, unmount disk and image? Jul 17 22:13:54 right...so you would make the update consist to the ram disk image Jul 17 22:14:10 then reboot into that, do the update from an init script? Jul 17 22:14:13 and reboot again Jul 17 22:14:16 Have you considered that a whole scale firmware update really isn't the way to go? Jul 17 22:14:22 how about doing it piecemeal with ipkg? Jul 17 22:14:38 how can you get a differential dpkg? Jul 17 22:14:41 is that possible? Jul 17 22:14:54 s/dpkg/ipkg Jul 17 22:14:56 well, you wouldn't get a differential, but do you really care? Jul 17 22:15:10 you're planning on blowing away the whole image too - so write life obivously isn't a concern of yours Jul 17 22:15:11 it would be cleaner the other way id have thought Jul 17 22:15:21 no, its a hard disk Jul 17 22:15:26 flash disk Jul 17 22:17:35 Can you force a Jul 17 22:17:45 forget that Jul 17 22:18:15 i think we had some troubles getting the boot partition to work anyway, ie - what it built was broken Jul 17 22:18:23 but i think id have to get back to you on that Jul 17 22:19:40 would you need anything except imgloader and your image in such a ramdisk then? Jul 17 22:19:51 assuming static imgloader Jul 17 22:31:07 JustinP: you still here? Jul 17 22:31:19 Greg2: yup Jul 17 22:31:35 NOTE: package opie-image-1.0: completed Jul 17 22:31:35 NOTE: build 200607171755: completed Jul 17 22:31:52 JustinP: i edited my meta-opie.bb and reduced the initrd.bin size from 21.6 to 20.6mb Jul 17 22:32:10 JustinP: it's flashed to my poodle and working, thanks again for your help with bitbake Jul 17 22:32:45 for the record a poodle initrd.bin should 'not' be over 20mb Jul 17 22:33:54 Greg2: heh Jul 17 22:34:02 Greg2: maybe CoreDump can push an updated poodle.conf when the database is back up Jul 17 22:34:08 Isn't poodle two 32MB partitions? Jul 17 22:34:26 well / is abou 20M Jul 17 22:34:27 hey CoreDump|home Jul 17 22:34:41 Actually, poodle is ~9mb + 22 mb + 32 mb (three partitions) Jul 17 22:34:55 Hmmm. Maybe'm thinking of shepherd Jul 17 22:35:28 Argh, so frustrating not getting past that libopie cvs issue when building opie-image Jul 17 22:35:34 but that is spread over 2 32Mb chips :) Jul 17 22:40:19 Kristoffer: what libopie issue? Jul 17 22:40:35 hovntres|poodle, checkout bug 1151 Jul 17 22:40:44 Basicly, Im using 1.2.2+cvs for opie image Jul 17 22:41:16 but even though the necessary packages are built, they are removed (and set to 1.2.2) and it can no longer fill the deps Jul 17 22:41:51 Ken|JLime: you could hard-wire opie to use 1.2.1 Jul 17 22:42:19 CoreDump|home, but im interested in 1.2.2+cvsdate. Cause that one works perfect Jul 17 22:42:43 it seems like all libopie*-cvsdate is removed when package-index is done Jul 17 22:42:49 and then it cannot fill the deps Jul 17 22:43:11 its like it thinks that 1.2.2 > 1.2.2+cvsdate Jul 17 22:43:28 Ken|JLime: perhaps you need to fix ipkg-make-index Jul 17 22:43:59 Will take a look at it, Jul 17 22:44:20 Ken|JLime: or move away the 1.2.2 ipkg :;-] Jul 17 22:44:29 JustinP, hehe :P Jul 17 22:45:05 JustinP, where can i find ipkg-make-index, package, meta, class? Jul 17 22:45:26 part of an ipkg package, not sure which one Jul 17 22:46:31 Ken|JLime: ipkg-utils it looks like Jul 17 22:46:45 oki, but looks like it will require patching the sourcecode then Jul 17 22:46:49 will check it out Jul 17 22:47:40 yep Jul 17 22:53:52 JustinP, I suck at reading python Jul 17 22:54:08 CoreDump|home: when OE is writable again would you change the /machine/poodle.conf Jul 17 22:54:14 ROOT_FLASH_SIZE = ?32? changed to-> ?22? or ?20?? Jul 17 22:54:29 or would you rather i put this in bugzilla? Jul 17 22:55:01 the latter, so it will not be forgotten Jul 17 22:55:36 CoreDump|home: ok, will do in the morning with notes Jul 17 22:56:22 goodnight all Jul 18 02:39:20 i'm trying to build a custom OZ image to put on a SD card and i want to include all the dev packages (headers and such). how do i configure OE to place all these on the image automatically without manualy adding each one? Jul 18 02:41:16 manually edit the distro file Jul 18 02:42:01 what do i do exactly? Jul 18 02:42:03 but your probably better off just to copy the whole feed to your SD Jul 18 02:42:13 would result in less typing Jul 18 02:42:40 i don't want to parse all the dev files and risk missing anything or adding things i don't need Jul 18 02:45:16 not sure how OZ specifically is setup to handle it Jul 18 02:45:24 look in it's distro and include files Jul 18 02:45:46 already did, nothing obvious Jul 18 02:46:43 which image are you trying to build? Jul 18 02:47:04 gpe Jul 18 02:47:08 gpe for c7x0 Jul 18 02:49:25 distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc Jul 18 02:49:29 or something simular Jul 18 02:49:45 i think Jul 18 02:52:03 that just lists preferred version of packages, nothing to do with include files and such Jul 18 02:55:58 last i remeber it dictated what gets installed in the image Jul 18 02:56:06 might have changed now ofcourse Jul 18 02:57:08 i found it. it's in conf/bitbake.conf Jul 18 02:57:31 it's a global setting, above and beyond the distro settings Jul 18 02:57:51 that doesnt make sense Jul 18 02:57:57 everything just selects general packages, bitbake itself chops it up into dev and regular Jul 18 02:58:15 image includes for a distro are defined at the distro level not the build system Jul 18 02:58:48 i try grep -aniRE "dev" in the conf dir and only bitbake.conf showed anything relevant Jul 18 02:58:56 all bitbake.conf holds are the global variables for the buildsystem Jul 18 02:59:28 afaik no current distro includes dev files in thier distros Jul 18 02:59:37 its a waste of space for end users **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 18 02:59:56 2006