**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 18 02:59:56 2006 Jul 18 03:00:33 the same reasoning applies to default stripping all apps Jul 18 03:01:04 the bitbake.conf files just abitrarily packages everything in the /usr/include directory into a file called packagename-dev Jul 18 03:01:52 yes that is the default autotools handling behaviour as defined in the classes Jul 18 03:02:39 how many packages are valid or have been thested for the dev files to work/be valid .... Jul 18 03:02:48 so how do i get those dev files autoamtically included whenever i select their related package? Jul 18 03:02:51 tested* Jul 18 03:04:36 try IMAGE_DEPENDS or EXTRA_IMAGE_DEPENDS i'd think without reading the docs Jul 18 03:05:34 i want them automatically included with manually adding every dev package and all the dev packages for their dependencies Jul 18 03:05:41 err with/without Jul 18 03:06:09 not sure there is any easy way Jul 18 03:06:19 its rare that anyone would want to Jul 18 03:06:41 you could wait for all the euro devs to wake up and ask one of em **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 18 04:07:36 2006 Jul 18 06:19:14 good morning al Jul 18 06:19:16 l Jul 18 06:30:01 * zwelch waves to koen Jul 18 06:30:12 hey zwelch Jul 18 06:30:29 * zwelch can't svn up bitbake atm Jul 18 06:30:35 is that to be expected? Jul 18 06:31:57 berlios isn't the stables of hosting providers Jul 18 06:32:41 btw, every time I read your name I have to think about this: http://www.binternet.nl/pict/zwelgje.jpg Jul 18 06:32:50 ('g' == 'ch' in dutch) Jul 18 06:34:35 morning all Jul 18 06:34:50 hey RP Jul 18 06:36:04 koen: what the heck is that? Jul 18 06:36:23 it looks like puff the magic dragon Jul 18 06:36:33 zwelch: it's dragon from a cartoon movie, based on a book Jul 18 06:37:27 well, i suppose that's not the worst association that people have with my name ;) Jul 18 06:37:33 zwelch: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0188404/ Jul 18 06:47:46 morning all Jul 18 06:48:10 hey Dirk Jul 18 06:48:18 hi koen Jul 18 07:07:56 hi Dirk Jul 18 07:09:53 hey Richard Jul 18 07:14:28 is ewi546 having problems again ? Jul 18 07:16:49 hvontres: no Jul 18 07:17:42 it just seems like the downloads are really slow right now.. Jul 18 07:40:10 <_law_> morning all Jul 18 07:40:23 Ello Jul 18 07:40:47 <_law_> koen, i think ewi546 has a problem... cant download sources.. Jul 18 07:43:35 morning Jul 18 07:48:36 <_law_> hi XorA Jul 18 07:49:31 morning folks Jul 18 07:54:30 morning all Jul 18 07:55:18 yesterday, i had a problem with libsdl-qpe and zecke told me to compile it with binutils-cross 2.15.x. Jul 18 07:55:52 libsdl-qpe also does a million 'multiple definition of ...' with binutils 2.15.94.0.1 Jul 18 08:03:02 ~lart 219.134.177.154 Jul 18 08:03:03 * ibot forces 219.134.177.154 to use Outlook Express Jul 18 08:03:33 Now there's a seemingly appropriate ~lart.. botnet, anyone? =) Jul 18 08:04:11 TEMic: mickey|bbl theorized that's due to rtti Jul 18 08:17:36 mmm... ok... Jul 18 08:18:21 well, i have no idea how to solve it... Jul 18 08:21:33 well libsdl-x11 doesnt suffer from it so at leeast its qpe specific Jul 18 08:21:37 hey mikearthur Jul 18 08:21:45 good day Jul 18 08:21:51 I'm working on some tosa stuff today Jul 18 08:23:15 hey mikearthur Jul 18 08:23:29 hey koen Jul 18 08:23:38 friendly channel this :D Jul 18 08:23:55 hey mikearthur Jul 18 08:24:06 of course we are friendly to ASoC's orinal author ;) Jul 18 08:24:29 ;) Jul 18 08:26:18 is the oe build system in any way related to Gentoo's Portage? Jul 18 08:29:37 bitbake started as a fork of portage. Jul 18 08:29:44 cool, thought so Jul 18 08:30:07 how long ago? Jul 18 08:32:52 mickey|bbl: http://chrislord.net/images/dates/1.png <- your year view Jul 18 08:34:51 mikearthur: about three years ago Jul 18 08:35:03 cool Jul 18 08:35:25 I always thought it was strange the portage embedded team seem so small Jul 18 08:35:45 I can understand you not wanting to work with the gentoo devs, the guys seem to be at constant war with each other Jul 18 08:36:35 mikearthur: we have never declined working with the gentoo team Jul 18 08:36:59 mikearthur: some of the gentoo guys visit here occasionally Jul 18 08:37:05 ah k Jul 18 08:37:26 sorry, just assumed :) Jul 18 08:40:43 * XorA avoids the old assume joke Jul 18 08:41:21 http://openembedded.bkbits.net:8080/oe.deprecated/cset@3e5552acqjNsThV5O533o6r_QiPdfg?nav=index.html|ChangeSet@-3y Jul 18 08:44:53 my autoreconf doesn't have --exclude, so fails on libtool-native-1.5.10-r4 Jul 18 08:46:16 mikearthur: try bitbaking autoconf-native Jul 18 08:49:15 koen: fails on libtool-native again :s Jul 18 08:56:44 mikearthur: so get a better autoreconf :) Jul 18 08:56:54 hey mallum Jul 18 08:57:48 hey mr koen Jul 18 08:57:48 koen: is 2.59 outdated? Jul 18 08:58:01 mikearthur: no idea Jul 18 08:58:16 mikearthur: autofoo is an opaque mess to me Jul 18 08:58:20 mikearthur: autoreconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.59d here Jul 18 08:58:34 XorA: can't be that outdated then:D Jul 18 08:58:37 debian unstale Jul 18 08:58:46 presumably the d = debian Jul 18 08:58:49 debian testing version was busted for a while Jul 18 09:00:34 k Jul 18 09:00:43 well, I can't be that outdated then :s Jul 18 09:00:46 ahah, building kernel with soc in works for debugging better Jul 18 09:03:56 autoconf 2.60 has only been released 3 weeks :s Jul 18 09:05:01 mikearthur: do you know if the gcc 4.1.x bug has been resolved with alsa? Jul 18 09:05:18 I know lrg has a patch for it Jul 18 09:05:31 the mb() patch? Jul 18 09:05:41 uh, checking Jul 18 09:06:07 yeh Jul 18 09:06:15 think thats the one Jul 18 09:08:12 koen: just got the newest autoconf, thats not the problem Jul 18 09:08:32 /usr/local/bin/autoreconf: unrecognized option `--exclude=libtoolize' Jul 18 09:08:39 weird Jul 18 09:08:44 and thats 2.60, from source, thats only been out 3 weeks Jul 18 09:08:49 maybe its the opposite Jul 18 09:08:53 maybe my version is too new Jul 18 09:10:22 I'll try and get some other stuff building in the mean time Jul 18 09:10:48 * koen wonders why python b0rks on: Jul 18 09:10:50 f = open(conffile,"w") Jul 18 09:10:50 f.write("foo") Jul 18 09:10:52 f.close Jul 18 09:11:18 whats the exception/error? Jul 18 09:11:23 f.close() Jul 18 09:11:41 ERROR: The lines resulting into this error were: Jul 18 09:11:41 ERROR: 26:SyntaxError:' f.write("foo")' Jul 18 09:11:52 ah indention ;) Jul 18 09:11:59 hi all Jul 18 09:12:55 you shouldn't indent f.write Jul 18 09:13:24 try it without the indentation Jul 18 09:13:28 ugh Jul 18 09:13:39 ~lart python's braindead indentation Jul 18 09:13:40 * ibot puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at python's braindead indentation Jul 18 09:13:49 * koen shakes fist at mickey|bbl Jul 18 09:13:56 whitespace having syntactical meaning = worst idea ever Jul 18 09:14:10 not really Jul 18 09:14:17 python implementation just sucks Jul 18 09:14:25 ~indentation Jul 18 09:14:29 indentation is, like, let me quote Donald E. Knuth on that: 'We will perhaps eventually be writing only small modules which are identified by name as they are used to build larger ones, so that devices like indentation, rather than delimiters, might become feasible for expressing local structure in the source language.' Jul 18 09:14:54 yeh, indentation = good Jul 18 09:15:07 forcing you to use pythons indentation style or BLUGH SYNTAX ERROR = bad Jul 18 09:15:19 and I just proved that python forces me to make my code less readable Jul 18 09:15:25 :D Jul 18 09:15:28 why would you indent? Jul 18 09:15:46 I would have asked myself: "Why did this dutch sucker indent this line but not the other" ;) Jul 18 09:15:50 and python saved my day :) Jul 18 09:15:58 bah, you youngsters and your new fangled indentations Jul 18 09:16:04 lol Jul 18 09:16:16 further down in the .bbclass f.write *is* indented Jul 18 09:16:50 Indentation? Bah, back in my day, we had to chisel every character out of granite. You youngsters and your fancy indentation.. try making whitespace from stone... Jul 18 09:17:08 lol Jul 18 09:17:18 koen: 200 more revs to rosterify Jul 18 09:20:01 wheee Jul 18 09:20:05 it works Jul 18 09:20:19 congrats Jul 18 09:20:33 ph34r my 1337 bbcl455 5k1775 Jul 18 09:24:05 * XorA just ph33r5 koen Jul 18 09:24:14 and wheeee again Jul 18 09:24:26 * koen loves the sounds of the parcel service truck Jul 18 09:31:03 :-) Jul 18 09:31:19 hehe Jul 18 09:31:28 koen: google is shipping you the loads of money? Jul 18 09:31:39 zecke: :) Jul 18 09:31:51 * florian_kc hates the output of ./configure with his new oz toolchain Jul 18 09:31:52 in this case it was my new 12-24mm lens Jul 18 09:32:24 koen: i need to show you a *real* lens Jul 18 09:32:42 florian_kc: and probably a real camera as well :) Jul 18 09:33:05 I was tempted to buy the rolleiflex SLX, till I noticed the electronics were broken Jul 18 09:33:08 florian_kc: as in one 12 inches in diameter :-) Jul 18 09:34:21 which reminds me Jul 18 09:34:34 * koen gets out his soldering iron to fix the OM1 motordrive Jul 18 09:35:58 is there an other video player than mplayer? Jul 18 09:36:19 TEMic: for opie? Jul 18 09:37:45 XorA: yep Jul 18 09:38:08 * florian_kc likes this one http://khmhk.cool.ne.jp/gazo/asrt115.jpg Jul 18 09:38:58 koen: heh well, yours is easier to handle :-) Jul 18 09:40:02 koen: hum, i had a rolleiflex 2000f - interesting idea but my old russian cameras were more reliable :-0 Jul 18 09:41:41 TEMic: then is there not opie-playerX where X increases from time to time Jul 18 09:44:40 zecke: should my tosa build be using an oe autoreconf rather than my system one? Jul 18 09:44:42 OE is rosterified! Jul 18 09:44:51 zecke: yay! Jul 18 09:44:51 mikearthur: good question :) Jul 18 09:44:58 :) Jul 18 09:45:12 mikearthur: at some point OEs autorecong should be used Jul 18 09:45:19 ok Jul 18 09:45:21 mikearthur: is autoreconf inside automake? Jul 18 09:45:22 problem is Jul 18 09:45:23 autoconf Jul 18 09:45:24 ... Jul 18 09:45:27 autoconf Jul 18 09:45:42 problem is, libtool-native won't build Jul 18 09:45:53 /usr/bin/autoreconf: unrecognized option `--exclude=autopoint' Jul 18 09:46:23 mikearthur: oh well, please run bitbake with -vvv to let us see the 'chain' Jul 18 09:46:43 mikearthur: and then, some stupid people write /usr/bin into their shell scripts directly Jul 18 09:46:48 sure, then pastebin it? Jul 18 09:47:00 here or pastebin Jul 18 09:47:11 won't I get kicked for spamming? Jul 18 09:47:22 mikearthur: it should be only about two lines Jul 18 09:48:00 gpe-image (gpe-image) -> ipkg-native (ipkg-native) -> pkgconfig-native (pkgconfig-native) -> autoconf-native (autoconf-native) -> quilt-native (quilt-native) -> linux-openzaurus (kernel-module-usbmouse) -> ipkg-utils-native (ipkg-utils-native) -> usbutils (usbutils) -> libtool-native (libtool-native) Jul 18 09:48:03 that bit? Jul 18 09:48:07 SPAM SPAM :) Jul 18 09:48:25 lol Jul 18 09:48:27 Spam spam spam spam.. wonderful spam! Jul 18 09:48:33 Jul 18 09:48:36 hehe Jul 18 09:48:38 ipkg-utils-native wants usbutils Jul 18 09:48:55 BROKEN that is, Master Liams Padawan Jul 18 09:49:05 yeh, does seem a bit strange :s Jul 18 09:49:21 oh well quilt-native watning virtual/kernel is a bug Jul 18 09:49:39 this is a tosa fyi Jul 18 09:50:07 RP: asoc + your fixes speaker == working Jul 18 09:50:57 XorA: Yay! :) Jul 18 09:51:08 RP: well at 48Khz :-) Jul 18 09:51:44 XorA: Did Liam fix the clocks? Jul 18 09:52:03 RP: I havent had a fix yet, it just happened 48Khz clock works, all the rest are fubar Jul 18 09:52:24 XorA: We should probably backport the fixes to the last stable ASoC ;-) Jul 18 09:52:26 RP: Ive just sent him and you a huge dmesg dump Jul 18 09:53:22 zecke: http://pastebin.4programmers.net/307 Jul 18 09:58:05 koen: do we want to turn on the db for testing? Jul 18 09:58:24 zecke: not yet, let's fix viewmtn first Jul 18 09:58:35 koen: did you try Luke's version? Jul 18 10:02:44 running mtn check again Jul 18 10:04:13 zecke: I don't have luke's version Jul 18 10:04:35 koen: I can upload it Jul 18 10:04:52 can you put in in ~/monotone/migration? Jul 18 10:05:16 done Jul 18 10:06:40 morning Jul 18 10:07:29 oh.. Jul 18 10:09:35 zecke: any ideas on my pastebin? Jul 18 10:09:46 mikearthur: been busy, with the rosterify Jul 18 10:09:54 mikearthur: there is a wrong DEPENDS in the files... Jul 18 10:10:01 no worries, whenever you can get a look Jul 18 10:13:21 eek I have used debians mtn 0.26 :} Jul 18 10:14:22 njs: could you enlighten me on the use of file:? Jul 18 10:14:35 njs: e.g. file:/// would be the correct way to use for absolute paths... Jul 18 10:17:58 zecke: I see the problem now too Jul 18 10:18:06 circular dependency :D Jul 18 10:19:18 autoconf is depending on libtool-native, but needs the excludes autoconf patch to configure libtool-native Jul 18 10:24:34 how to I change dependencies/force compile without dependencies? Jul 18 10:24:46 bitbake -b Jul 18 10:26:29 and just point to the file you want to do? Jul 18 10:26:51 yep :D Jul 18 10:26:54 nice one Jul 18 10:27:21 zecke: do you have a copy of the rosterified .db? Jul 18 10:27:51 koen: in the migration/OE/output/ Jul 18 10:28:09 thanks Jul 18 10:30:26 do13 and zecke: sorted the problem Jul 18 10:31:17 it seems autoconf-native, on tosa anyway, didn't have this problem on mainstoneii, is trying to compile libtool-native before autoconf-native, but libtool-native needs the patched autoconf-native to configure properly Jul 18 10:31:43 so I bitbake -b the autoconf-native, and now its happily building away the other stuff Jul 18 10:34:37 koen: How did your native toolchain testing go? Jul 18 10:34:50 lardman: it's working great Jul 18 10:35:02 koen: Cool, I was just thinking about R again Jul 18 10:35:21 koen: Do you have some instructions for setting it up? Jul 18 10:36:32 lardman: ipkg install libc6-dev gcc gcc-symlinks g++ g++symlinks make binutils binutils-symlinks libtool coreutils Jul 18 10:36:52 koen: Thanks Jul 18 10:37:00 R needs a native fortran, which OE doesn't seem to build Jul 18 10:37:24 koen: That's an easy fix though to the build instructions for the toolchain Jul 18 10:37:49 * lardman says ;) Jul 18 10:38:20 what's wrong with this: Jul 18 10:38:21 for file_id, filename in ((t[3], t[1]) for t in mt.manifest_of(query['id'])['file']): Jul 18 10:38:23 ? Jul 18 10:40:25 thanks for reminding me about R Jul 18 10:44:26 zecke: want a bug report filed? Jul 18 10:48:46 morning all Jul 18 10:48:56 hey jerrybme_ Jul 18 10:49:22 so, how many people here are addicted to pastebin? Jul 18 10:49:33 zecke: http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/ works :) Jul 18 10:49:50 just want to let you all know a simple user like me CAN build a full gpe-image Jul 18 10:50:11 success over-nite !! Jul 18 10:50:38 next step, Angstrom.. Jul 18 10:52:40 koen: thanks for the 'subtle hint' re the wiki, I'm too addicted to the oesf forum Jul 18 10:53:13 didn't occur to me to put the info on the wiki Jul 18 10:54:55 jerrybme_: that's the trouble with forums: the info stays there, nobody uses 'search', so effectively all information is lost Jul 18 10:56:21 koen: cool, faster then the anncouncement: 2006-07-19 Install viewmtn which can work with mtn0.27+ on the servers :) Jul 18 10:58:36 :) Jul 18 10:58:44 zecke: don't forget to update http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OpenEmbeddedMigration with your progress Jul 18 11:00:20 good Jul 18 11:00:29 * florian_kc started to miss oe already Jul 18 11:20:14 won't "Check out each and every revision of the OE database done by a script" take *ages*? Jul 18 11:20:24 tmbinc: yes :) Jul 18 11:20:30 tmbinc: We might skip it :} Jul 18 11:20:33 ok ;) Jul 18 11:20:48 zecke: heh Jul 18 11:22:32 does a bitbake option exist like 'bitbake pkg -c clean' where the package and all its dependencies are cleaned? Jul 18 11:22:49 not yet Jul 18 11:22:55 :-( Jul 18 11:22:56 not yuey, iirc there's a bug report on that Jul 18 11:23:05 s/yueu/yet/ Jul 18 11:23:58 What would be more correct in the sdk.bbclass Jul 18 11:24:08 export CPPFLAGS = "${BUILD_CPPFLAGS}" Jul 18 11:24:15 or CPPFLAGS = "${BUILD_CPPFLAGS}" ? Jul 18 11:24:43 we want it exported to the shell? Jul 18 11:25:46 * florian_kc is not sure, just ry to find out the difference between the familiar and current dev sdk stuff. Jul 18 11:27:23 but i guess the main problem is the lack of ... arm-linux/lib/ldscripts Jul 18 11:39:25 RP, pb__: Does one of you know what is responsible that /usr/local/arm/oe/arm-linux/lib/ldscripts/ ends up in the sdk packages? Jul 18 11:47:57 uh, dunno. I guess the FILES in binutils-cross-sdk would be in charge of that. Jul 18 12:04:30 koen: You looking at Pluto? Jul 18 12:09:48 lardman: nope Jul 18 12:48:32 koen: why did you kill my mtn? Jul 18 12:48:46 I did? Jul 18 12:48:58 that was completely unintentional Jul 18 12:49:06 ah :) Jul 18 12:49:07 * koen is fixing cronjobs Jul 18 12:49:12 we have an official mtn running? Jul 18 12:49:15 I wanted to split the db? Jul 18 12:49:32 and once you killed the server I had vrev 8.100 pulled Jul 18 12:50:05 later Jul 18 12:52:48 zecke: cronjobs are working again Jul 18 12:52:58 he koen Jul 18 12:53:06 hey woglinde Jul 18 12:54:01 hey pH5 Jul 18 12:56:26 Wheres the upgrade momentum at? Jul 18 12:57:40 Ken|JLime: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OpenEmbeddedMigration Jul 18 12:57:51 Ken|JLime: and could you please split up you commits? Jul 18 12:58:02 * florian_kc is getting closer Jul 18 12:58:04 Ken|JLime: do not commit kernelstuff + other stuff Jul 18 12:58:14 Ken|JLime: make them seperate commits Jul 18 12:58:54 koen, will do in the future Jul 18 12:59:08 hi Jul 18 12:59:16 koen: so the mtn 0.27 server is running? Jul 18 12:59:20 mickeyl, did you change the opie-bluetooth... package so that 1.2.2 builds nicely? Jul 18 12:59:29 he mickeyl Jul 18 12:59:42 Ken|JLime: dunno. i've touch a lot of packages regularly :/ Jul 18 12:59:46 s/'ve// Jul 18 13:00:00 mickeyl, well it works now :) so probobly Jul 18 13:00:01 Ken|JLime: might this be a binutils issue? Jul 18 13:00:09 goxboxlive: FYI: I'm aware of the opie-bluepin problem now. it's in the bugtracker Jul 18 13:00:43 zecke: if you have a fresh brain, take a look at 1188. (don't hurry, has lot of time) Jul 18 13:00:44 zecke, no idea, just never worked before and now it does.. Know that it was fixed in cvs+200606xx Jul 18 13:01:00 mickeyl: I don't know the behaviour of rtti Jul 18 13:01:04 mickeyl: it is broken in the gcc anyway Jul 18 13:01:09 *nod* Jul 18 13:01:13 zecke: any idea where i could ask? Jul 18 13:01:22 gcc-list by chance? Jul 18 13:01:23 SUSE's gcc dudes Jul 18 13:01:46 hey mickeyl Jul 18 13:01:54 zecke: yes, it's running Jul 18 13:02:01 mickeyl: good. Have you looked at the other stuff i sent you? Does it makle sence or is it just my configuration? Jul 18 13:02:13 ah and to let it run you killed my pull Jul 18 13:03:05 goxboxlive: didn't have a chance yet. will do after my vacation. Jul 18 13:03:27 i'm gone for a week starting on 2th Jul 18 13:03:29 20th even Jul 18 13:03:42 ok, great. Jul 18 13:04:23 koen: so please tell me on how to do the split up of the NSLU2 and OE db Jul 18 13:04:32 koen: without getting the server killed at the last rev Jul 18 13:05:37 zecke: monotone pull localhost Jul 18 13:06:07 zecke: oe@serenity:~/monotone/clean-pull$ mtn --db=OE-cleanpull.mtn pull localhost org.openembedded.* -k oe@openembedded.org Jul 18 13:06:08 mtn: doing anonymous pull; use -kKEYNAME if you need authentication Jul 18 13:06:08 mtn: connecting to localhost Jul 18 13:06:08 mtn: network error: failed to connect: Connection refused Jul 18 13:06:08 oe@serenity:~/monotone/migration/OE/split$ ../../source/b Jul 18 13:06:30 so you will do the clean pull now? Jul 18 13:06:34 please communicate better Jul 18 13:07:05 mtn: 55.6 M | 479 | 33,412/34,498 | 8,458/8,727mtn: terminated by signal Jul 18 13:07:06 I was testing a pull, not splitting the db Jul 18 13:07:08 this is not funny Jul 18 13:07:48 hm Jul 18 13:07:56 *shake head* Jul 18 13:09:46 * Ken|JLime runs for cover Jul 18 13:13:03 re zecke Jul 18 13:13:22 morning Jul 18 13:13:29 mickeyl: could you have a look at moving the ciabot script thingy to openembedded.org? Jul 18 13:15:57 yes. most like not before I'm back though Jul 18 13:16:02 koen: so how do we proceed? Jul 18 13:16:19 koen: I would do the OE.db and NSLU.db split up now Jul 18 13:16:37 zecke: go ahead Jul 18 13:18:36 zecke: and please update openembedded.org/wiki/OpenEmbeddedMigration with your progress Jul 18 13:20:34 * florian_kc fears all this monotone magic Jul 18 13:21:18 most of the time it's s/monotone/mtn/ Jul 18 13:26:54 Is the maintainer field in binutils_2.15.94.0.1.bb (Gerald Britton) correct? Jul 18 13:27:10 florian_kc: probably not Jul 18 13:27:24 florian_kc: too many people do cp foo.bb bar.bb ; commit bar.bb Jul 18 13:27:33 ~seen gb2 Jul 18 13:27:37 gb2 was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 34d 22h 56m 39s ago, saying: 'heh'. Jul 18 13:27:49 hrm Jul 18 13:28:08 * florian_kc found two modifikations in that file breaking the sdk Jul 18 13:28:29 we don't have a clear policy on adding new files by the non-maintainer yet Jul 18 13:28:35 something to do asap Jul 18 13:28:44 s/do/formulate/ Jul 18 13:28:48 as well as other policies Jul 18 13:28:51 florian_kc: if you manage to fix it, could you update the 2.16 and 2.17 binutils as well? Jul 18 13:29:15 s/binutils/binutils-cross-sdk/ Jul 18 13:29:49 mickeyl: true Jul 18 13:30:13 mickeyl: we should allow it maybe, but only with a correct maintainer field. Jul 18 13:30:25 koen: i hope so... Jul 18 13:30:37 it also depends on whether the maintainer is MIA or not Jul 18 13:51:10 * florian_kc has a working toolchain again Jul 18 13:52:39 native? Jul 18 13:52:57 What version of GCC is the native toolchain atm? Jul 18 13:53:18 dunno. never tried any native ones Jul 18 13:53:24 koen? Jul 18 13:54:15 mickeyl: Is Angstom working atm? Before I try building a toolchain for that. Jul 18 13:54:24 mickeyl: gcc 3.4.4 cross for OZ Jul 18 13:54:32 florian_kc: cool Jul 18 13:54:58 i should upload my experimental oz ipaq image and the sdk Jul 18 13:54:59 gcc 4.1.1/glibc 2.4/binutils 2.17 is working very good as a native toolchain Jul 18 13:55:06 lardman: according to koen it should. with busybox 1.2 and the latest binutils we're closer Jul 18 13:55:48 mickeyl: Okay, thanks Jul 18 13:56:15 koen: I see you're getting an ARM board, if I fix the native gcc to create g77, can you try compiling R? Jul 18 13:56:47 lardman: sure Jul 18 13:57:10 koen: Okay, I have to rebuild the cross toolchain, so it won't be till later in the week anyway Jul 18 14:06:52 Has anyone tried using QEmu to run bitbake itself? I see it's used (?) for locale generation (though I don't know why) Jul 18 14:06:56 koen: have you got angstrom to boot with that combo yet ? Jul 18 14:07:20 ade|desk: yes Jul 18 14:07:30 lardman: qemu is used to that devices with less than 128mb ram can have locale Jul 18 14:07:40 koen: yay :) Jul 18 14:07:52 s/to/so Jul 18 14:07:57 lardman: You can build qemuarm images which will run under qemu Jul 18 14:08:12 ade|desk: 'bitbake angstrom-bootstrap-image' is missing a tinylogin initscript, but it working great otherwise Jul 18 14:08:24 ah, I think I see Jul 18 14:08:46 ade|desk: see http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/search/node/eabi for more info Jul 18 14:09:04 What about using it to run the whole lot like maemo does? Jul 18 14:09:41 lardman: binfmt misc? We can't do that (yet) Jul 18 14:09:55 RP: over my head there Jul 18 14:09:58 lardman: You can run a toolchain under qemu though and "natively" compile using that Jul 18 14:10:10 RP: Yep, that's what I was thinking Jul 18 14:10:47 lardman: poky contains such a toolchain already and images are available containing it Jul 18 14:10:48 i'd suggest bochs instead if your going that route Jul 18 14:11:17 lardman: http://www.o-hand.com/~richard/qemu.html Jul 18 14:12:01 emte: bochs doesn't emulate arm? Jul 18 14:12:11 RP: Thanks, I'll have a read Jul 18 14:12:15 RP: z->bochs->qemu :-) Jul 18 14:12:25 RP, it stated it does when i looked a few weeks ago Jul 18 14:12:43 anyway off to work Jul 18 14:22:35 koen, is it recommended to keep commits small but affecting same area? Jul 18 14:22:47 Thought it would get spammy after awhile Jul 18 14:23:17 Kristoffer: preferably one commit per .bb or package Jul 18 14:23:28 koen, oki got it Jul 18 14:23:35 that makes it easier to rollback errors Jul 18 14:23:48 ah, right Jul 18 14:24:36 so If you say "ooops, let's dissaprove it" you don't have to reassemble the good bits Jul 18 14:28:14 guess it would be good to have individual commits that can be published as a set too, if you touch gcc,glibc,binutils as a group to get the set working Jul 18 14:28:44 yeah Jul 18 14:28:46 else you could lose some that make the set non-working too Jul 18 14:30:44 hi all Jul 18 14:34:53 kergoth: do you remember the name of this free svn service? Jul 18 14:41:06 ping CoreDump|afk Jul 18 14:43:41 how to build for more than one device. how i need to mod the config file and how do i say bitbake for which device it should build the stuff? Jul 18 14:44:24 koen, got that link to your "lets package .ipks into subfolder" script? Jul 18 14:46:38 I'm having more grief with dependencies :( Jul 18 14:47:01 task-bootstrap seems to, for the tosa, depends on wlan-ng-modules_0.2.1-pre26bb, which doesn't compile Jul 18 14:47:25 0.2.3 does compile, but if I bitbake it, it just removes it and tries to compile wlan-ng-modules_0.2.1 Jul 18 14:48:28 'inherit multimachichine' Jul 18 14:48:45 ah wait Jul 18 14:48:50 you mean the splitfeeds Jul 18 14:48:53 koen: that to me or Kristoffer ? Jul 18 14:49:29 Kristoffer: Jul 18 14:49:45 k Jul 18 14:49:47 Kristoffer: http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.oz354x/contrib/buildscripts/openzaurus Jul 18 14:50:02 mikearthur: PREFFERED_VERSION_wlan-ng-modules = "0.2.3" Jul 18 14:50:09 mikearthur: the metadata for tosa is still 2.4 based Jul 18 14:50:17 nice one Jul 18 14:50:24 just stick that in my local.conf? Jul 18 14:50:49 mikearthur: yeah, but from what koen said, your going to have to do that a few times Jul 18 15:05:36 is it my build/local.conf or org.oeblah/conf/local.conf Jul 18 15:06:29 mikearthur: build/conf/local.conf Jul 18 15:07:18 mikearthur: both have the same power, but build/local.conf is safe if you accidentily rm org.oe.dev Jul 18 15:07:45 PREFERRED_VERSION_wlan-ng-modules = "0.2.3"? Jul 18 15:09:46 does build/conf/machine/* override org.oe.dev/conf/machine? Jul 18 15:10:03 yes Jul 18 15:10:13 well, depending on how you set BBFILES Jul 18 15:10:33 export BBPATH="/home/mike/oe/build:/home/mike/oe/org.openembedded.dev" Jul 18 15:10:34 so yes Jul 18 15:11:02 yes Jul 18 15:12:58 koen: I'm going to try and move tosa to 2.6 Jul 18 15:13:33 I thought tosa already worked with 2.6? Jul 18 15:14:24 I don't know, its 2.4 by default Jul 18 15:14:35 but, I believe, the touch and battery drivers don't work yet Jul 18 15:14:45 and the development for them will be on 2.6 Jul 18 15:15:25 mikearthur: You have set MACHINE_KERNEL_VERSION = "2.6" ? Jul 18 15:15:55 yep Jul 18 15:16:09 its set in the machine/tosa.conf Jul 18 15:16:39 Normally you'd just set it in local.conf Jul 18 15:33:17 uh, ltg has a load > 18... Jul 18 15:33:54 zaurusd isn't present in oesources.org Jul 18 15:34:54 mickeyl, what is the chances of bumping 1.2.2 to SRCDATE 20060709, in the opie repository? I manage to build opie-image but it just blanks out when trying to start it Jul 18 15:37:42 Kristoffer: slim to none Jul 18 15:37:44 any ideas where I can find the source package? Jul 18 15:37:57 http://www.oesources.org/source/current/zaurusd_svn.o-hand.com_.repos.misc.trunk__20060718.tar.gz Jul 18 15:37:58 mikearthur: it it's hitting oesources, you're svn setup is b0rked Jul 18 15:38:22 it should try to svn co it from svn.o-hand.com Jul 18 15:38:30 it tries that afterwards Jul 18 15:38:36 are you behind a fascist firewall? Jul 18 15:38:43 NOTE: Fetch svn://svn.o-hand.com/repos/misc/trunk;module=zaurusd;proto=http Jul 18 15:38:43 svn: REPORT request failed on '/repos/misc/!svn/vcc/default' Jul 18 15:38:56 nope, don't seem to be Jul 18 15:48:34 mickeyl: on different computer, did you reply my msg? Jul 18 16:01:36 koen: any ideas? Jul 18 16:02:03 mikearthur: try asking the o-hand people Jul 18 16:03:23 where should I manually check it out to? Jul 18 16:05:17 /repos/misc/!svn/vcc/default looks rather suspicious... Jul 18 16:06:45 yeh Jul 18 16:07:09 if I work out the proper url, by checking out manually, where can I put it so that oe won't try and check out too? Jul 18 16:10:12 I'll ask tomorrow, slaters RP Jul 18 16:54:09 who Jul 18 16:54:35 what Jul 18 16:55:18 whom Jul 18 16:55:21 ~botmail Jul 18 16:55:46 ~botmail read Jul 18 16:57:19 ~botmail CoreDump|afk: Where would you like to get bug reports/requests for the new Hentges images? Jul 18 16:57:39 ~botmail stats Jul 18 17:00:07 monotone.openembedded.org offline? Jul 18 17:01:25 ~botmail CoreDump|afk: Where would you like to get bug reports/requests for the new Hentges images? Jul 18 17:02:51 I get : import not found when trying to run bitbake from my zaurus. I think this is due to some missing python. does anyone know which python packages I need on the zaurus to run bitbake natively" Jul 18 17:02:54 ? Jul 18 17:07:37 koen|away: What about adding nofollow attributes to our viewmtn Jul 18 17:13:59 zecke: please add them to the .htaccess Jul 18 17:14:26 nofollow is used by google on urls Jul 18 17:14:44 I will move to bed now Jul 18 17:16:00 Yes Lord Vader Jul 18 17:16:45 zecke: uh, what's up? Jul 18 17:18:10 florian_kc: nothing :) Jul 18 17:18:19 florian_kc: need to catch a flight a 6h though Jul 18 17:18:45 going to munich for a spring on my "Studienarbeit" Jul 18 17:18:56 later guys Jul 18 17:18:59 zecke: ah... good, i thought it would be somethign bad. Jul 18 17:38:36 who Jul 18 17:51:24 bbl Jul 18 18:37:11 Mallum! Jul 18 18:37:54 I scared him off Jul 18 18:40:57 smooth move Jul 18 18:57:50 is thre a place that has example conf/local.conf files for the different machines.(ipaq h3600 is what I am looking for) Jul 18 18:59:14 local.conf.sample -> MACHINE=h3600 Jul 18 18:59:24 there's no magic involved except setting MACHINE Jul 18 18:59:50 the power of OE (TM) Jul 18 19:01:01 let me compare my config I used my tosa one and modified to h3600 so I may have somethings else I changed that I should not have... Jul 18 19:01:09 * chouimat|ibook wanders back in ... Jul 18 19:02:32 let me try a clean copy for familier and see if I am still having problems.. Jul 18 19:03:13 nevarrie: why use familiar? Jul 18 19:03:43 or rather: "why use a seemingly unsupported and bitrotting distribution?" Jul 18 19:04:16 for the time being, better use the generic distro conf in .dev Jul 18 19:04:36 i was going to add a patchset that derives familiar from generic Jul 18 19:04:42 but we went read only :D Jul 18 19:05:16 heh Jul 18 19:05:26 living on the edge Jul 18 19:05:34 mickeyl: I hope you like hatemail Jul 18 19:06:29 i can bear that :D Jul 18 19:06:34 mickeyl: and so far the conversation goes well? Jul 18 19:06:46 chouimat|ibook: yes, everything on track so far Jul 18 19:06:50 koen: I know i can get a build with familiar that will work for my pmp for now till I can start getting good build with angstrom... Jul 18 19:07:06 nevarrie: use OZ or like mickeyl said, generic Jul 18 19:07:22 re mickeyl Jul 18 19:07:24 there is a tendency to put more DISTRO specifics into MACHINE specifics Jul 18 19:07:27 nevarrie: you can't run angstrom on a h3600, since eabi doesn't support strongarm Jul 18 19:07:32 which is the right way IMO Jul 18 19:07:47 to prevent we don't end up with 100 distro lookalikes Jul 18 19:07:56 hey woglinde Jul 18 19:08:11 mickeyl: what do you think about the BOOT_MODULES stuff I added a while back? Jul 18 19:08:26 koen: sorry, i didn't have a chance to look at that yet Jul 18 19:08:33 way too busy the last months. Jul 18 19:08:36 this _will_ change Jul 18 19:09:11 mickeyl: it's a var that contains the modules you absolutely want into the rootfs/initrd Jul 18 19:09:26 mickeyl: without needing to pull in task-bootstrap Jul 18 19:09:44 oh good. I didn't even have a chance to evaluate coredumps lean-and-mean-boot stuff Jul 18 19:10:16 that lean-and-mean is missing a cset Jul 18 19:10:24 the cset that actually adds it for a machine Jul 18 19:10:42 mickeyl: my WIP is in packages/angstrom/ Jul 18 19:11:31 koen/mickeyl: so I uses DISTRO="generic" and MACHINE="h3600" and I shoudl be able to build on org.oedev Jul 18 19:11:58 nevarrie: yes, that's what should happen. if it doesn't please report :) Jul 18 19:12:23 mickeyl: I will give it a try... Jul 18 19:19:52 l8er chaps Jul 18 19:34:34 EOL while scanning single-quoted string (line 1) Jul 18 20:09:51 hi! Jul 18 20:10:46 Anybody knows what can be wrong if I get errors like this from ipkg image build: Cannot find package kernel-module-3c505-2.6. Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' Jul 18 20:10:48 * nevarrie watches his first generic build run...so far so good... Jul 18 20:12:49 but the package named kernel-module-3c505-2.6 exists in both: Packages index and as a file in deploydir/ipk Jul 18 20:13:04 I just can't get it :( Jul 18 20:13:30 but does it exist for the right architecture? Jul 18 20:15:05 Looks like it does Jul 18 20:15:20 There is another weirdness: I have two packages: task-thinstation and task-bootstrap-thinstation Jul 18 20:15:30 the former installs, the latter does not :( Jul 18 20:15:56 filenames are task-thinstation_1.0-r1_i586.ipk and task-bootstrap-thinstation_1.0-r2_586.ipk respectively Jul 18 20:16:19 and again the error is the same :( Jul 18 20:17:34 best installation candidate for task-bootstrap-thinstation Jul 18 20:17:34 adding task-bootstrap-thinstation to providers Jul 18 20:17:34 task-bootstrap-thinstation arch=586 arch_priority=0 version=1.0-r2 Jul 18 20:17:34 Configuring unpacked packages Jul 18 20:17:34 Nothing to be done Jul 18 20:17:34 An error ocurred, return value: 4. Jul 18 20:17:37 Collected errors: Jul 18 20:17:39 Cannot find package task-bootstrap-thinstation. Jul 18 20:19:34 koen: so what does setting a distro give me over using generic at this point or is distro going to matter soon? Jul 18 20:19:54 nevarrie: 'generic' is a distro Jul 18 20:20:09 nevarrie: it just lacks branding Jul 18 20:20:21 and it's supposed to 'just work' Jul 18 20:20:37 hmm, You might be right. There seem to be two different packages one with i586 architecture and other with 586 architecture. Jul 18 20:20:38 the lack of branding is what I think I was looking for... Jul 18 20:20:52 Bleh! Gotta find out why this happens. Thanx for the hint koen Jul 18 20:21:29 anttix: years of experience with "wtf? why doesn't ipkg install it" Jul 18 20:24:28 yeah, then You can probably shed some light on why the F* does it generate two different arch packages for me? i586 and 586 :P Jul 18 20:25:04 typo in $MACHINE.conf? Jul 18 20:25:30 I don't have any experience with building for x86 in OE Jul 18 20:25:51 maybe, it seems those packages are broken that define PACKAGE_ARCH = "${MACHINE_ARCH}" Jul 18 20:26:03 But then again, why should they do it in the first place? Jul 18 20:27:03 why does task-bootstrap for example contain this line? Jul 18 20:29:20 does angstrom only build 2.4 for tosa or is it just me doing something wrong... Jul 18 20:30:18 nevarrie: angstrom needs a 2.6 kernel, but the tosa build is pretty hardcoded for 2.4 atm Jul 18 20:31:33 koen: that explanes why it will nopt build right for me...I guess I will have to keep to openzaurus if I want to uses 2.6..or help update angstrom... Jul 18 20:31:56 anttix: heh, 3c505? eleet. Jul 18 20:32:06 I don't think OZ will build either for tosa/2.6 Jul 18 20:32:19 it missing a PREFERRED_VERSION for some wlan module Jul 18 20:32:32 mikearthur was having that problem this afternoon Jul 18 20:32:50 pb_ it was just the first kernel module package that I picked from the top of the list to test WTF is going on :P Jul 18 20:33:04 anttix: but, as for your MACHINE_ARCH, that should probably be "i586" as well, not just "586". Jul 18 20:33:14 whereever that 586 is coming from, it's almost certainly a bug Jul 18 20:33:18 pb_ I don't own this piece of hw :) Jul 18 20:33:38 I have not tried it for about a month...was working end of may for me to build a 2.6 e-image...I will have to see if I can make it work... Jul 18 20:33:41 pb_ that's what I'm wondering. Jul 18 20:34:20 I have a machine configuration that's called 586 maybe I should rename it. However I do see machines named epia, x86 etc in OE tree Jul 18 20:36:46 * nevarrie decides to take the risk and dig for where the changes need to be made to angstrom to build 2.6 for tosa...any help on where I shoudl be looking for wlan-ng version for angstrom... Jul 18 20:37:56 mystery solved! Jul 18 20:38:12 Thanx koen! I had IPKG_ARCHS left in my machine.conf Jul 18 20:38:53 others have already migrated to IPKG_EXTRA_ARCHS Jul 18 20:42:26 pb_ machine arch is supposed to be different from package arch I presume. Eg for epia You have kernel packages for epia but other pacakges for generic i586. Jul 18 20:42:50 oh yeah, right Jul 18 21:32:51 time to head home... Jul 18 21:44:17 hi Jul 18 22:25:24 anyone around? Jul 18 22:27:18 hm Jul 18 22:27:21 asked Jul 18 22:27:24 but be quick Jul 18 22:27:32 I will go to bed Jul 18 22:30:44 good nite Jul 18 22:36:59 hello Jul 18 23:02:18 I am having a problem with GPE on my Bonzi. I can ping my http proxy but it never ask for username and psword. Jul 18 23:03:50 I am tring to update ipkg and have edited the ipkg.conf file but it failes... Does it use wget? There is not a /etc/wgetrc file to edit. Jul 18 23:04:03 That I see anyways. Jul 18 23:14:12 it works with http://uname:pword@proxy Jul 18 23:15:55 arm-bar : usually setting the http_proxy environment variable should fix this Jul 18 23:16:11 export http_proxy="http://....." Jul 19 00:39:38 should I be able to build libx11-X11R7.1-1.0.1-r0? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 19 02:59:56 2006