**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 19 02:59:57 2006 Jul 19 06:39:53 good morning all Jul 19 06:40:09 Ello Jul 19 06:40:24 <_law_> hi koen Jul 19 06:40:48 morning all Jul 19 06:45:12 hey NAbyss, _law_ and Dirk Jul 19 06:46:54 hey koen Jul 19 07:02:03 koen: ping Jul 19 07:02:10 koen: did you ever install ubuntu onto a usb disk? Jul 19 07:03:47 zecke: pong and no Jul 19 07:05:44 zecke: mickey|packBag said he wanted to do the 'checkout rev' thing and go live after that Jul 19 07:11:02 hail zecke Jul 19 07:52:03 morning Jul 19 07:53:35 hey XorA Jul 19 07:54:50 hey XorA Jul 19 07:55:34 morning Jul 19 07:59:43 koen: checkout each rev? Jul 19 08:00:18 zecke: I think that's what he meant Jul 19 08:00:37 okay Jul 19 08:00:47 quad xeon, I love this machine Jul 19 08:01:03 :) Jul 19 08:04:27 koen: will start the script then Jul 19 08:04:35 'then' once this task is done Jul 19 08:05:08 zecke: my 1337 PACKAGEFUNC is done Jul 19 08:05:20 was it fun? Jul 19 08:05:28 it lacks some error checking, but it works well enough Jul 19 08:09:43 * koen rewrites bitbake in asp.NET and runs it on winME Jul 19 08:10:56 Blog X at www.idpz.net/tomytom/blogXXX.htm Jul 19 08:11:40 I wonder how I will boot my ubuntu... Jul 19 08:11:59 koen: should that no be WnCE Jul 19 08:12:01 WinCE Jul 19 08:12:08 bloomin I key is dodgy Jul 19 08:17:05 nah, winME is much better Jul 19 08:17:29 koen: but then you cant run it on the ipaq Jul 19 08:31:08 morning Jul 19 08:31:21 hey lardman Jul 19 08:31:29 hi koen Jul 19 08:33:58 will try to install ubuntu now Jul 19 08:41:42 hey Liam Jul 19 08:41:54 hey Graeme, morning all Jul 19 08:42:00 hey Liam Jul 19 08:42:13 is monotone down? Jul 19 08:43:17 mikearthur: monotone.vanille.de should be up Jul 19 08:43:28 is that the same as monotone.oe? Jul 19 08:43:31 mikearthur: but OE has been readonly since monday, so no updates Jul 19 08:43:38 oh ok, cheers Jul 19 08:48:14 what does zaurusd do? Jul 19 08:48:45 google isn't really helping :s Jul 19 08:49:56 mikearthur: Basically is knows about the different mixer settings and switches between the different mixer profiles Jul 19 08:52:59 lrg: so we are close to ASoC working on corgi then? Jul 19 08:53:52 XorA: If I backport the fixes to the version with the working clocks, we should be onto a winning combination Jul 19 08:53:59 XorA: yes, It was a msking bug - I had basically used a wrong bit mask in the new code Jul 19 08:54:08 creating patch now Jul 19 08:54:34 lrg: Can you merge in the tweaks to corgi.c? Jul 19 08:54:39 * XorA is ready to test Jul 19 08:55:25 RP: can you remind me of the tweaks, I may have already Jul 19 08:55:50 I assume you're working at home today lrg Jul 19 08:56:08 mikearthur: you assume correct Jul 19 08:56:28 mikearthur: how is your tosa build ? Jul 19 08:56:38 trying to sort this zaurusd stuff Jul 19 08:57:11 lrg: The changes to corgi_amp_event to add switch(power) Jul 19 08:57:23 * lrg checks Jul 19 08:57:24 lrg: I applied http://hyboria.mine.nu/asoc-v0.11pre4-powerfix.patch Jul 19 08:57:38 lrg: Also, can you remove the spurious free_irq in corgi_init whilst I remember about it? Jul 19 08:57:43 lrg: and http://hyboria.mine.nu/asoc-v0.11pre4-spkfix.patch Jul 19 08:57:59 RP: will do Jul 19 08:58:45 XorA, last link is 403 Jul 19 08:59:30 lrg: fixed Jul 19 09:00:08 bloomin permissions Jul 19 09:00:10 XorA: got it - last one is already in Jul 19 09:00:54 lrg: The one prior to it is the other one I was talking about Jul 19 09:01:24 RP: ah, ok - I was getting confused - must be all this heat today ;) Jul 19 09:02:43 lrg: spitz.c also has the surpious free_irq Jul 19 09:03:02 ok Jul 19 09:03:24 does anyone here have zaurusd currently checked out? Jul 19 09:04:50 mikearthur: ../sources/zaurusd_svn.o-hand.com_.repos.misc.trunk__20060713.tar.gz Jul 19 09:05:54 XorA, any chance of sending me that, their svn server seems a bit screwy, and the oe mirror is down Jul 19 09:06:40 mikearthur: That svn server should be working... Jul 19 09:06:45 mikearthur: http://hyboria.mine.nu/zaurusd_svn.o-hand.com_.repos.misc.trunk__20060713.tar.gz Jul 19 09:07:01 RP: doesn't seem to be Jul 19 09:09:07 mikearthur: Just worked perfectly for me Jul 19 09:09:15 which url? Jul 19 09:09:55 mikearthur: could be new firewall at the office ? Jul 19 09:10:07 wasn't working yesterday either Jul 19 09:10:11 svn co http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/misc/trunk/zaurusd Jul 19 09:10:42 works for me Jul 19 09:10:45 Checked out revision 112. Jul 19 09:10:46 powerbook-wlan:/tmp koen$ Jul 19 09:10:48 same here Jul 19 09:11:09 wierd Jul 19 09:11:23 mike@steyraug ~/oe/tosa/tmp/work/tosa-linux/zaurusd-0.0+svn20060719-r6 $ svn co http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/misc/trunk/zaurusd Jul 19 09:11:23 svn: REPORT request failed on '/repos/misc/!svn/vcc/default' Jul 19 09:11:23 svn: REPORT of '/repos/misc/!svn/vcc/default': 400 Bad Request (http://svn.o-hand.com) Jul 19 09:11:30 could be a proxy/firewall combo of death Jul 19 09:11:41 thats exactly what'll be Jul 19 09:11:45 koen: heh, we have new proxy as well Jul 19 09:11:50 lrg, remember kenny saying yesterday about the proxy Jul 19 09:11:54 and its using http Jul 19 09:12:04 ~lart kenny for new proxy Jul 19 09:12:05 * ibot judo chops kenny for new proxy Jul 19 09:12:13 IT shouldn't try to be clever Jul 19 09:12:53 mikearthur: its not their fault, stupid human rights and sexual discrimination laws Jul 19 09:16:45 morning Jul 19 09:17:31 morning CoreDump|home Jul 19 09:34:18 we're gonna have to manually whitelist every domain we need svn+http access for :( Jul 19 09:34:39 does anyone know off hand if git/mercurial/cvs use http transports? Jul 19 09:35:37 git and mercurial can Jul 19 09:35:41 so your stuffe Jul 19 09:35:42 he koen Jul 19 09:35:42 d Jul 19 09:35:47 hey woglinde Jul 19 09:36:02 mikearthur: time for tunneling Jul 19 09:36:48 ;,( Jul 19 09:38:01 I guess it might be an idea to just get git.*/svn.* whitelisted Jul 19 10:20:58 hi all Jul 19 10:24:09 hey Florian Jul 19 10:24:14 hey florian_kc Jul 19 10:24:50 lrg: they've whitelisted the domains :D Jul 19 10:24:58 lrg: and it doesn't work :( Jul 19 10:46:24 morning all Jul 19 10:52:09 having trouble getting Angstrom gpe-image to compile, libxfont-X11R7.1-1.1.0-r0 keeps barfing Jul 19 10:52:27 http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/1nX25650.html Jul 19 10:54:07 downgrade freetype Jul 19 10:55:46 Ok, where do I set that? Jul 19 11:00:20 ~users Jul 19 11:00:24 so this is what we get for sharing our unpaid volunteer work with you? complaints and accuses? well done, this clearly supports our motivation to continue working on open source projects. Jul 19 11:06:36 what can I say? I'm no dev, .. found it in angstrom-2006.9.conf Jul 19 11:07:29 that wasn't directed at you Jul 19 11:09:19 what's a more realistic version for freetype - 2..2.0? Jul 19 11:12:35 koen: how did libxfont compile for me? Jul 19 11:12:49 XorA: already compiled? Jul 19 11:13:06 I had the same problem after building from scratch Jul 19 11:13:35 koen: ah could be, I thought I had made that change before I rebuilt Jul 19 11:13:56 ~lart xfont for not using uptodate releases Jul 19 11:13:57 * ibot shoots xfont in his sleep for not using uptodate releases Jul 19 11:15:36 koen: what idiot wrote libxfont :-( Jul 19 11:17:34 I tried to find a newer libxfont, but it seems that requires git Jul 19 11:19:05 koen: hrmm, looks like its a staging problem Jul 19 11:23:22 actually the lart goes to xfont for using internal freetype stuff, freetype says not to use Jul 19 11:24:17 heh Jul 19 11:24:38 could you file a bug on that with x.org (or fdo) bugzilla? Jul 19 11:24:56 it will undoubtly go to /dev/null, but they can't claim ignorance anymore Jul 19 11:28:43 koen: NOTE: package libxfont-X11R7.1-1.1.0: completed Jul 19 11:29:00 XorA: cool Jul 19 11:29:06 ehm Jul 19 11:29:20 don't forget to put the patch in OE bugzilla Jul 19 11:29:25 ~lart migration Jul 19 11:29:26 * ibot installs PocketPC on migration's PDA Jul 19 11:32:20 so... should I downgrade freetype? Jul 19 11:36:13 koen: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6918 Jul 19 11:37:13 koen: so we just need that release Jul 19 11:37:21 ah, cool Jul 19 11:40:09 does bitbake have its own webpage? or should i just link to openembedded.org Jul 19 11:43:36 bitbake.berlios.de Jul 19 11:43:57 http://developer.berlios.de/projects/bitbake/ might be better Jul 19 11:45:34 koen: http://ftp.x.org/pub/individual/lib/libXfont-1.2.0.tar.bz2 Jul 19 11:45:58 wheeeee! Jul 19 11:48:50 koen: bugger knows how to integrate that though, all that X11R7.1 versionng confuses me Jul 19 11:49:10 XorA: pH5 Jul 19 11:49:18 did I hear a word X11R7.1? Jul 19 11:58:04 ~botmail for pH5: can you integrate http://ftp.x.org/pub/individual/lib/libXfont-1.2.0.tar.bz2 to fix the bug we are hitting in libxfont detailed here https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6918 Jul 19 11:58:25 If Xorg is the topic, can some1 please review my new tool :) Jul 19 11:58:26 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=870#c29 Jul 19 11:59:21 anttix: looks cool Jul 19 11:59:25 Also X.org build system is broken in many ways, all is documented in include files in the tarball I uploaded there. Jul 19 11:59:44 Maybe some autoconf wizard will make patches to be submitted to upstream Jul 19 12:01:30 the thing that irritates me the most is that they use AC_CHECK_FILE or something (instead of check header) to check for DRI headers. I wonder if it is a simple bug or workaround for some other bug. Jul 19 12:27:40 is there any way of stopping bitbake from trying to download from svn, and instead dumping a tarball of the svn in a directory for it? Jul 19 12:28:17 sure, put the tarball it looks for in $DL_DIR together with the md5sum Jul 19 12:29:10 where is the DL_DIR? Jul 19 12:29:25 sources? Jul 19 12:29:34 mikearthur: yes Jul 19 12:29:54 I have a question about shared library dependency calculation. I have the following problem: Jul 19 12:30:07 mikearthur: for example, put that tarball I gave you in there, then touch sources/tarball.md5 Jul 19 12:30:15 cool Jul 19 12:30:20 libXaw has now 3 different versions: libXaw6.so.whatever, libXaw7.so.whatever, libXaw8.so.whatever Jul 19 12:30:39 There are also symlinks like this: libXaw.so.8 -> libXaw8.so.whatever etc. Jul 19 12:30:47 Now, most of my stuff uses libXaw8 Jul 19 12:30:56 the package name becomes libxaw8-8_version Jul 19 12:31:14 but, there is one piece of ... called xterm that wants to use libxaw7 Jul 19 12:31:28 It will link against it, however the dependencies are not correctly generated. Jul 19 12:31:44 xterm package starts do depend on libxaw8-8 instead of libxaw7-7 Jul 19 12:31:46 What could be wrong? Jul 19 12:32:06 ah, I think that's an OE bug Jul 19 12:32:20 iirc OE picks the newest shlib provider Jul 19 12:32:41 packaged-staging would solve that (hopefully) Jul 19 12:33:07 Packaged staging? What is it? Jul 19 12:33:28 XorA: doh, had to rename it to todays date Jul 19 12:33:50 mikearthur: or use SRCDATE_zaurusd = "XXXXYYAA" Jul 19 12:33:59 anttix: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/PackagedStaging Jul 19 12:34:10 XorA: its cool, got it going now, finally Jul 19 12:36:12 ok, until then I have to probably disable xaw8 then. Thanx koen. Jul 19 12:36:24 BTW who is maintaining package.bbclass ? Jul 19 12:36:37 nobody Jul 19 12:37:19 The locale autosplitting is cool, but it breaks for libX11 because it's hardcoded to only handle $datadir/locale Jul 19 12:37:33 morning Jul 19 12:37:58 I have an ugly hack that works around it, but I'd love to be able to set localedir variable instead. Jul 19 12:41:43 so if I go and implement it, what variable name should I use? LOCALEDIR or localedir? Jul 19 13:14:25 hey guys... Jul 19 13:14:36 somthings up with the oe site Jul 19 13:14:47 seems impossible to browse the repo Jul 19 13:15:46 openembedded.org/repo works good here Jul 19 13:15:47 morning, btw. Jul 19 13:15:52 it's HOT Jul 19 13:15:57 VERY hot Jul 19 13:16:26 it's 35 degrees here!! Jul 19 13:16:52 this is what I get when trying to browse... Jul 19 13:16:53 http://rafb.net/paste/results/rBNh3i62.html\ Jul 19 13:16:55 http://rafb.net/paste/results/rBNh3i62.html Jul 19 13:17:09 it's pretty cool in here Jul 19 13:17:32 *shrug* in a couple of hours i'm in Ibiza. at least i'm supposed to sweat there :D Jul 19 13:17:38 actually... openembedded.org/repo works fine here too. Jul 19 13:17:53 but trying to access through the site doesn't work Jul 19 13:18:04 (from the repository link on the left havd side) Jul 19 13:18:15 ya, guess the viewmtn needs to be adjusted to the new monotone version Jul 19 13:18:21 ahh Jul 19 13:18:51 hey, you know what package contains mkinitramfs? Jul 19 13:19:11 hi mickey|packBag Jul 19 13:21:01 * mickey|packBag commits the first new revisions w/ 0.27 Jul 19 13:21:20 cool Jul 19 13:22:55 tkp AFAIK none Jul 19 13:23:03 anttix: ah ok Jul 19 13:23:10 guess I'll have to make one :) Jul 19 13:23:13 tkp klibc is packaged though I believe Jul 19 13:23:31 but an old version Jul 19 13:23:36 I have klibc... why do you mentyion that tho anttix ? Jul 19 13:23:37 I'm interested if it works ;) Jul 19 13:23:45 it does... I have been using it already Jul 19 13:23:46 mkinitramfs requires it AFAIK Jul 19 13:23:58 ah ok Jul 19 13:25:26 mickey|packBag: I had to back out some patches to view to get it to work Jul 19 13:25:37 mickey|packBag: apparently revision.psp needs some patches Jul 19 13:59:31 * malcom_mx hi Jul 19 14:37:55 koen: *nod* Jul 19 14:39:07 mickeyl: btw, if you commit revisions against the current, we should go live Jul 19 14:39:21 mickeyl: since another rosterify would change epochs Jul 19 14:39:35 mickeyl: but I leave that up to migration master zecke Jul 19 14:39:39 oh. i didn't know that Jul 19 14:39:46 i can as well recreate the patches, just three commits until now Jul 19 14:39:57 zecke: migration master, how's the status? Jul 19 14:39:57 mickeyl: what is the issue? Jul 19 14:40:13 mickeyl: been busy all day Jul 19 14:40:15 no issue. just a question whether I'm ok to start committing stuff against the current tree Jul 19 14:40:25 or whether i should wait until I'm back Jul 19 14:40:39 mickeyl: rosterify went smooth, koen worked on viewmtn and scripts Jul 19 14:40:39 (note: committing, not pushing) Jul 19 14:40:56 mickeyl: I don't expect to rerun rosterify Jul 19 14:41:00 zecke: I had to back out all patches from luke Jul 19 14:41:08 oh Jul 19 14:41:15 koen: what did they do? Jul 19 14:41:17 zecke: excellent Jul 19 14:41:38 mickeyl: I can't think too much, but comitting locally should be fine Jul 19 14:41:45 zecke: viewmtn was refactored a bit and python was whining about undefined functions and stuff Jul 19 14:42:38 pfff Jul 19 14:42:45 30 degrees inside Jul 19 14:43:09 *nod* Jul 19 14:43:11 sucky Jul 19 14:43:27 zecke,koen: are you ok with me shutting down monotone.vanille.de completely on 2006-08-01 ? Jul 19 14:43:35 sure Jul 19 14:43:46 sure Jul 19 14:43:49 ok Jul 19 14:43:52 * mickeyl adds to wiki Jul 19 14:44:04 koen monday here (ottawa) it was about 33 C outside (48 C with the humidity) so about 50-60C in my office Jul 19 14:44:06 don't forget to update gettingstarted and the phrasebook Jul 19 14:44:23 chouimat|ibook: ouch Jul 19 14:44:25 can that wait until i'm back? Jul 19 14:45:16 as well as the ciabot. i'm afraid i won't be able to do that until we lift off ) Jul 19 14:45:17 :) Jul 19 14:45:37 koen: I lost a lot of water and got some huge headache Jul 19 14:46:10 mickeyl: with updating, I meant 'removing vanille' Jul 19 14:46:23 koen: righto Jul 19 14:46:31 see http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OpenEmbeddedMigration -> progress Jul 19 14:47:30 koen: ah seen that, good. Jul 19 14:52:00 Hello Jul 19 15:20:42 hi sirfred Jul 19 15:20:44 yo france Jul 19 15:23:29 mickeyl: Hello Jul 19 15:25:57 mickeyl: hello! Jul 19 15:26:14 france: how's the climate where you're located? it's frickin' hot here :/ Jul 19 15:26:27 mickeyl: after lunch taking down the anoncvs server, to replace a HD in the raid array. Jul 19 15:26:44 it is about 80 here Jul 19 15:26:45 france: ok, thanks for notifiying Jul 19 15:26:53 not to humid, like yesterday.. Jul 19 15:26:56 can ibot convert degrees into Farenheit? Jul 19 15:27:00 sure Jul 19 15:27:16 ibot convert 80 farenhiet into c Jul 19 15:27:18 it's 35C in my office - too hot Jul 19 15:27:35 lardman: ouch Jul 19 15:27:42 yeah. 35C here as well Jul 19 15:27:45 *sweating* Jul 19 15:27:51 mickeyl: I will probably upgrade the OS on the server while I am in the machine room. Jul 19 15:28:09 mickeyl: it if goes well, I should down the ftp server and upgrade the OS as well. Jul 19 15:28:21 france: from what / to what are you upgrading? Jul 19 15:28:23 mickeyl: 35C in germany? Jul 19 15:28:28 mickeyl: the upgrade on h2 is needed to migrate to the new bugzilla. Jul 19 15:28:28 sirfred: ya :/ Jul 19 15:28:41 mickeyl: Mandrake 10.2 to Mandriva 2006.0 Jul 19 15:28:42 mickeyl: That's too hot. It's 26 here, northwest of Spain Jul 19 15:28:51 can someone fire me the tar.gz for gconf-dbus-2.10.0+svn20060719? Jul 19 15:29:02 or earlier version Jul 19 15:29:14 mickeyl: it usually a painless upgrade...Just needs to be done before the security updates are stopped for 10.2 Jul 19 15:29:28 mickeyl: and it provides better svn and git support. Jul 19 15:30:00 france: i see. glad you're still satisfied with mandriva. it's still my preferred distribution as well -- and i'm regularly checking out alternatives. Jul 19 15:30:09 Ubuntu's pretty nice Jul 19 15:30:53 lrg_: ping Jul 19 15:30:58 mickeyl: 2006.0 is very nice, I really like the powerpack+ version. Jul 19 15:31:11 mikearthur: pong Jul 19 15:31:13 mikearthur: I am starting to like ubuntu... Jul 19 15:31:19 Time to escape the heat, bye all Jul 19 15:31:20 lrg_: pm Jul 19 15:31:53 mikearthur: the real issue is that we started out with Redhat and Mandriva is very RH compatible. Moving to ubuntu would require a lot of custom scripts to be re-written. Jul 19 15:32:06 is this at work? Jul 19 15:32:15 mikearthur: the handhelds.org servers Jul 19 15:32:18 ah kk Jul 19 15:48:05 koen: Could you help me with this compile problem? http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=20534&st=15&p=135764&#entry135764 Jul 19 16:15:56 bbl Jul 19 17:07:47 svn co http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/bitbrake/branches/bitbrake-1.4 needs a password? Jul 19 17:08:56 I'm unsure about the url but normally no pw is required Jul 19 17:15:43 bad url Jul 19 17:22:33 arm-bar try with bitbake instead of bitb*r*ake... Jul 19 17:22:49 yep :/ Jul 19 17:44:59 anyone ever used initramfs with an oe system? Jul 19 17:46:59 pb__: master? can you eloberate on the semantic of flock? Jul 19 17:47:40 tkp: mreimer used it on his r1000 Jul 19 17:47:45 ~seen mreimer Jul 19 17:47:49 mreimer was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 40d 17h 35m 7s ago, saying: 'bd2: I'll be back in a couple of minutes'. Jul 19 17:48:13 couple of minutes!! Jul 19 17:48:57 koen: you know much about initramfs? Jul 19 17:49:11 tkp: I know that it exists Jul 19 17:49:15 and that's about it Jul 19 17:49:17 heh Jul 19 18:05:12 Any particular reason why the libc6 in OE is a year old CVS version? Jul 19 18:05:56 in which branch? Jul 19 18:05:59 .dev Jul 19 18:06:08 and for which architeture and which distribution? Jul 19 18:06:16 arm, OZ Jul 19 18:06:21 because its known working, perhaps? Jul 19 18:07:21 kergoth thats what I would answer next Jul 19 18:07:24 hmh. Jul 19 18:07:36 Any ideas why I get this from passwd: "*** glibc detected *** passwd: free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x0001f908 ***" Jul 19 18:07:57 hm no Jul 19 18:08:11 ow Jul 19 18:08:14 that looks painful Jul 19 18:09:17 Yup. gdb isn't of any use in figuring that out since the backtrace gets stuck at 0x40098384 in abort () from /lib/libc.so.6 Jul 19 18:10:15 but I think ypu should stay at the oz branch when you are want oz Jul 19 18:10:30 or wait until angstroem is ready for production Jul 19 18:10:44 hmh. Jul 19 18:12:24 I thought the DISTRO = "openzaurus-unstable" line in local.conf did that. Jul 19 18:12:47 did what? Jul 19 18:12:53 yes producing unstable software Jul 19 18:13:03 thats what unstable is for Jul 19 18:13:10 hahah Jul 19 18:13:48 Too bad there isn't any standard for what "unstable" means... Jul 19 18:14:26 I'm using Debian "unstable" on all of my PCs and haven't seen much problems Jul 19 18:14:37 jesus Jul 19 18:14:55 dont wieght apples with plumbs Jul 19 18:14:56 There's the occasional dependency hickup every once in a while, but that's about it Jul 19 18:16:38 Hm, neither tinylogin nor glibc have changed in several months... Jul 19 18:17:17 DataBeaver: glibc 2.4 is a year old cvs snapshot?!?!?! Jul 19 18:17:23 I din't get it Jul 19 18:17:26 don't* Jul 19 18:17:48 No, but the preferred version seems to be 2.3.5+cvs20050627 Jul 19 18:18:28 so why did you say that "the libc6 in OE" is a cvs snapshot? Jul 19 18:18:42 Sorry, I was too inspecific. Jul 19 18:18:43 if you want to use another version you can tell OE to build it Jul 19 18:25:35 bitbake nano Jul 19 18:25:35 ERROR: Unable to open conf/bitbake.conf Jul 19 18:25:49 arm-bar check your local.conf Jul 19 18:26:02 its more likely his BBPATH is unset or set incorrectly Jul 19 18:26:03 I went through it Jul 19 18:26:08 ok Jul 19 18:26:24 conf/bitbake.conf is in the openembedded dir Jul 19 18:26:33 so that indicates the openembedded dir isnt in bbpath.. Jul 19 18:26:39 read gettingstarted Jul 19 18:27:05 that is where I am now Jul 19 18:30:51 Any ideas where my /dev/input/touchscreen0 has gone? Jul 19 18:31:17 to hell? Jul 19 18:31:29 udev is your friend I guess Jul 19 18:33:12 Let's see if a reboot helps after upgrading a lot of stuff... Jul 19 18:33:32 Apparently it did. Jul 19 18:34:58 The DPI value of X went haywire though, and gpe-conf gives a very similar error to passwd... Jul 19 18:36:45 Maybe I should try Debian on this thing... Jul 19 18:39:50 hello everyone Jul 19 18:39:55 hi greg2 Jul 19 18:40:36 hey woglinde Jul 19 18:51:16 no I get ERROR: no files to build. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18380 Jul 19 18:52:22 hm did you know ubuntu is a african word means cant configure debian? Jul 19 18:52:35 I am on kantotx Jul 19 18:52:39 sorry could not resist Jul 19 18:52:49 just firsr pastbinI went to. Jul 19 18:54:32 Now I have a broken keymap. Jul 19 18:54:49 arm-bar sorry its a bad idea to put tmp in the monotone dirs Jul 19 18:55:06 take /home/user/hacking/embedded/tmp for it Jul 19 18:55:36 arm-bar make a /home/user/hacking/embedded/build directory Jul 19 18:55:43 pur ther conf directory Jul 19 18:55:55 copy local.conf.sample over there Jul 19 18:56:02 rename it to local.conf Jul 19 18:56:12 edit it to your will Jul 19 18:56:28 put the right pfads in your shell enviroment Jul 19 18:56:36 and and than run bitbake again Jul 19 18:56:52 and please read in the oe wiki gettinstarted Jul 19 18:57:00 gettingstarted Jul 19 18:57:02 even Jul 19 19:00:18 woglinde: Do you mean DL_DIR = "/home/user/hacking/embedded/tmp" Jul 19 19:01:00 Oh, and wget is broken too: Connecting to beaver[192.168.0.10]:80... failed: Address family not supported by protocol. Jul 19 19:01:23 DL_DIR ist where all the .tar.gz/bz2 cvs svn stuff goes Jul 19 19:01:40 dl means download Jul 19 19:01:43 Hm, yeah, this is why I didn't have the normal wget package installed. Jul 19 19:05:43 thanks bbl Jul 19 19:11:05 hi minipanda Jul 19 19:11:23 hi, woglinde, finally, i'm in OLS now ;-) Jul 19 19:12:10 hi minipanda ... like ottawa so far? Jul 19 19:12:29 minipanda ols? Jul 19 19:12:35 hi chouimat Jul 19 19:13:20 chouimat|ibook: hah, i just try to catch some #oe people here, so that i can ask them my newbie questions face to face ;-) Jul 19 19:15:42 minipanda: hehe ... too bad OLS is so expensive and I'm so busy ... I'm 45 minutes west of downtown ottawa Jul 19 19:16:32 hm I am berlin Jul 19 19:16:36 come here Jul 19 19:16:37 *g* Jul 19 19:17:18 well, seems now my bitbake ltp package working fine Jul 19 19:22:29 but i also want to know that whether i can let my ltp-run script automatically? Jul 19 19:22:29 i need to manually echo "Xx" >> /etc/rc.d/S99 ? Jul 19 19:22:38 or OE already have some type of mechanism to support automatically run some script? Jul 19 19:23:01 hm I think no Jul 19 19:23:18 because oe is the buildsystem not the distribution Jul 19 19:23:38 and for oz and angstroem I think is only sysv unix style Jul 19 19:27:21 woglinde: en ... ok Jul 19 19:28:20 we should support alternative inits, but there isn't any good one Jul 19 19:31:04 mickeyl smf from sun Jul 19 19:33:00 is that some solaris thingy? Jul 19 19:34:56 init-ng was promising, but CoreDump|afk's tests were pretty disillusioning Jul 19 19:35:04 guess i should have a look at it Jul 19 19:35:10 * mickeyl notes to that ever-growing todo Jul 19 19:36:00 or we go back to linuxrc Jul 19 19:36:02 *cough* Jul 19 19:36:31 mickeyl yes with opensolaris and its nice Jul 19 19:36:41 mickeyl mom Jul 19 19:36:43 is it _fast_ ?` Jul 19 19:36:55 i can't imagine using sysv unix with 5 run levels on a phone Jul 19 19:37:00 that's unbearably long Jul 19 19:37:08 I didnt say it would run under an oe distro Jul 19 19:37:10 *g* Jul 19 19:37:16 but conceptual Jul 19 19:37:49 hmm ya Jul 19 19:37:52 good ole busybox init works well and is damn fast if you dont mind adding stuff to the inittab manually :P Jul 19 19:37:57 the main reason why minit/initng beat sysvinit is not dependency handling or anything else fancy, just the fact that they start services without complex shellscripts Jul 19 19:38:00 http://www.osl-it.de/news/osltechdays3/vortraege/smf_sun.pdf Jul 19 19:38:28 kergoth: no kidding, we could try to automize that Jul 19 19:38:31 nchip: the main thing i like about such systems is that its feasable to start the user interface for the user before all the services (i.e. webserver) are up Jul 19 19:38:35 most sysvinit shellscripts are littered with lines like if [ -x /usr/sbin/daemon ]; then /usr/sbin/daemon ; done Jul 19 19:38:49 nchip: would like to see a simple try icon that shows init service status to facilitate that better Jul 19 19:38:53 s/try/tray/ Jul 19 19:39:18 re koen Jul 19 19:39:24 kergoth: you can sort sysvinit scripts for that Jul 19 19:39:34 i will take another look at busybox init. it grew since 1.0 IIRC Jul 19 19:40:07 hm but the oe device hasnt that much services Jul 19 19:40:12 nchip: not well, though. really need something more capable for management of what processes are on what vt's than just inittab imo Jul 19 19:40:24 hey woglinde Jul 19 19:40:30 woglinde: you're making assumptions. Jul 19 19:40:37 woglinde: oe supports a metric ton of platforms, including x86 ones. Jul 19 19:40:41 not all of which have few services Jul 19 19:40:42 kergoth: vt's on embedded systems? :) Jul 19 19:40:43 I hope some one will build something simular to smf for linuxdistribtutions Jul 19 19:40:49 nchip: on pdas, yes. Jul 19 19:41:01 nchip: users have even had gpe running on one and opie on another Jul 19 19:41:04 (though again, not well) Jul 19 19:41:06 mickeyl: still not in ibiza? Jul 19 19:41:07 ya. i want lean-and-mean init for a phone, but i want full-fledged for a network device or desktop Jul 19 19:41:16 koen: flight goes 04:55 Jul 19 19:41:20 eeks! Jul 19 19:41:24 ah wait Jul 19 19:41:25 *nod* Jul 19 19:41:28 frankfurt airport? Jul 19 19:41:29 middle of the night Jul 19 19:41:30 ya Jul 19 19:41:34 so I can say he postgres needs restart because it was updated, please realod apache too because of the rails application Jul 19 19:41:38 kergoth: it doesn's sound like a good idea memory/user-interface-wise Jul 19 19:41:56 ah right Jul 19 19:42:06 mickeyl you are here Jul 19 19:42:13 nchip: it isn't Jul 19 19:42:16 nchip: even not doing that much, even something as simple as getty on vt1 and gui on vt2, set up to switch back to vt1 on gui exiting, isnt managed well by current systems. Jul 19 19:42:26 its still a weakness that needs addressing in my opinion Jul 19 19:42:38 woglinde: yes. going to bed in two hours, then sleeping 3h, then driving to airport Jul 19 19:43:38 heh Jul 19 19:43:49 for some reason debian disabled apcupsd Jul 19 19:44:29 of course it take a brownout to discover that Jul 19 19:44:33 ~lart debian Jul 19 19:44:34 * ibot slams debian against a large cement Tux Jul 19 19:45:08 koen hm? Jul 19 19:45:16 mickeyl: did you boot your universal yet? Jul 19 19:45:45 mmh Jul 19 19:45:57 been fooled by a scammer Jul 19 19:46:01 he didn't have the device he advertised Jul 19 19:46:08 doh Jul 19 19:46:09 a lot of excuses Jul 19 19:46:22 and a plea to give him 2 weeks until he sends money back Jul 19 19:46:32 :/ Jul 19 19:46:34 suckage Jul 19 19:46:41 mickeyl ebay? Jul 19 19:46:44 yes, ebay Jul 19 19:46:47 hm Jul 19 19:46:53 I want to buy a mda3 Jul 19 19:46:56 ... Jul 19 19:47:00 when i'm back i start looking into what i can do in such a case Jul 19 19:47:07 the rokr e2 have a nice look Jul 19 19:47:07 How did you pay? Jul 19 19:47:12 ggilbert: bank Jul 19 19:47:14 koen yes Jul 19 19:47:18 eew Jul 19 19:47:23 <3 credit cards Jul 19 19:47:24 :p Jul 19 19:47:30 koen if we could convince harald to bought us some Jul 19 19:47:31 but ofcourse it has a sucky GUI Jul 19 19:47:39 its 250$ in shanghai Jul 19 19:47:49 $250 too much :) Jul 19 19:48:01 cheaper than a mda3 Jul 19 19:48:02 * koen *hates* motorola guis Jul 19 19:48:20 ggilbert: can i revoke a bank transfer when done via cc? Jul 19 19:48:30 mickeyl no Jul 19 19:48:42 mickeyl how much did you pay? Jul 19 19:48:45 mickeyl : ask your bank as soon as possible. Maybe it is possible Jul 19 19:48:47 mickeyl: a bank transfer? probably not. Jul 19 19:48:53 woglinde: 350 EUR Jul 19 19:49:04 philippe on germany you only can cancel "lastschrift" Jul 19 19:49:11 Philippe: i don't think so, it's been 2 weeks already Jul 19 19:49:23 mickeyl: Also, I have no clue what german law is like. :p Jul 19 19:49:29 ggilbert: heh. me neither ;) Jul 19 19:49:29 or your card was stolen and you can show that the pin wasnt near the card Jul 19 19:49:30 well asking the bank to be sure would not harm. Jul 19 19:49:37 Philippe: *nod* Jul 19 19:49:57 maybe they have other ideas too as they might have to deal with such cases regulary Jul 19 19:50:18 that's right. if all fails i guess i just hand the stuff over to my lawyer Jul 19 19:50:30 i won't bid for another one though until that case is done Jul 19 19:50:32 :/ Jul 19 19:50:38 mickeyl wasnt there a service at ebay where the money goes and only get to the seller when the ware arvies you Jul 19 19:50:50 woglinde: yes. the "Treuhand" Service - a rather new scheme Jul 19 19:51:03 woglinde: not many sellers know/offer that yet Jul 19 19:51:06 hm isnt that new Jul 19 19:51:31 then again, i'm an ebay newbie as well. 1 thing sold, 2 buys Jul 19 19:51:40 this could've been the 3rd one Jul 19 19:51:43 grrr Jul 19 19:52:23 mickeyl: you still have 3 phones left to call with Jul 19 19:52:32 heh. that's right ;) Jul 19 19:53:00 i don't need a htcuni. i was just tempted by the hardware and the progress the guys at #htc-linux are doing Jul 19 19:53:25 and the thought of keeping them on the right track Jul 19 19:53:35 * mickeyl nods and smiles innocently Jul 19 19:53:49 * koen whistles innocently Jul 19 19:54:08 mickeyl: how bug was your peplink kernel? Jul 19 19:54:32 ehm Jul 19 19:54:33 big Jul 19 19:54:54 i couldn't get the sucker below 750K or so Jul 19 19:55:01 the boot loader had a fixed max. of 512K Jul 19 19:55:04 ah Jul 19 19:55:10 * Philippe thinks koen sees bugs everywhere Jul 19 19:55:10 which effectively halted my development :D Jul 19 19:55:11 same problem as I had Jul 19 19:55:34 you can get it smaller with the nommu patches iirc Jul 19 19:55:47 that'd be interestin Jul 19 19:55:47 g Jul 19 19:56:01 or flash a second bootloader in the kernel partition Jul 19 19:56:21 mickeyl : there are some more patches to make the kernel smaller, than the standard options in the kernel... Jul 19 19:56:25 let me dig it up Jul 19 19:56:30 Philippe: cool. any links? Jul 19 19:56:34 the nslu2 people are experimention with lzma and lzo compression Jul 19 19:56:58 booting takes longer, but they save ~300k Jul 19 19:56:59 i guess LAB doesn't buy anything since it's a kernel 2.6 as well Jul 19 19:57:20 joshua_ said it was possible to get below 512k Jul 19 19:57:29 but you lose most functionality Jul 19 19:57:35 lzma compression works very well, and actually decompressing does not take that long. Jul 19 19:57:51 koen,it is doable Jul 19 19:58:02 Philippe: according to the nslu2 people it takes ~30 seconds longer on the slug Jul 19 19:58:24 if you don't need a framebuffer or anything, it's nicer. Jul 19 19:59:20 ~seen lrg Jul 19 19:59:24 lrg was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 9h 35m 18s ago, saying: 'hey Florian'. Jul 19 20:00:07 * koen wonders how much has changed between 2.6.9 and 2.6.18rc2 Jul 19 20:00:20 koen: it did not make that much difference when I played with it on mips at work last year. Jul 19 20:00:20 mucho Jul 19 20:00:35 * mickeyl prepares for shutdown Jul 19 20:00:39 see you in 7 days Jul 19 20:00:42 mickeyl have fun Jul 19 20:00:50 and surf one round for me Jul 19 20:00:51 thanks :) Jul 19 20:00:55 hehe, will do Jul 19 20:01:20 Philippe: between linux-2.6.9-pre1-bk18-nbp1 and 2.6.18rc2 ;) Jul 19 20:02:32 mickey|ibiza : http://www.selenic.com/linux-tiny/ Jul 19 20:57:06 ~cheer for monotone 0.27 Jul 19 20:57:08 Three cheers for for monotone 0.27! Hip hip Hurray! Hip hip Hurray! Hip hip Hurray! Jul 19 20:59:35 I'd cheer for 0.28 Jul 19 20:59:39 with pluck support Jul 19 21:00:22 ^_^ Jul 19 21:00:26 * JustinP mourns for mtnpatch Jul 19 21:00:40 happy pluck got into trunk, though Jul 19 21:23:37 pluck? Jul 19 21:24:45 ^_^ Jul 19 21:24:49 cherrypicking Jul 19 21:24:56 (without DAG support as yet, though) Jul 19 21:28:15 JustinP: cool ... Jul 19 21:45:17 hi Jul 19 21:49:30 hmm still RO :\ Jul 19 22:43:17 If I have OE building kernel-2.6 and I want to rename one of the module packages... how can I do this? Jul 19 23:03:21 rename? Jul 19 23:06:01 ERROR: The following variable(s) were not set: TARGET_ARCH Jul 19 23:06:01 Please set them directly, or choose a MACHINE or DISTRO that sets them. Jul 19 23:07:28 I and on an x86 and am trying to build a package for my sl-c3100. Do I have to be on arm to build for arm? Jul 19 23:07:39 am Jul 19 23:08:13 just reflashed to Angstrom gpe-image I build today, on first boot it didn't ask for root password Jul 19 23:08:32 arm-bar: set MACHINE Jul 19 23:08:43 gpe-dm keeps crashing Jul 19 23:08:46 MACHINE = "borzoi" I believe Jul 19 23:09:02 jerrybme: well...angstrom is alpha...submit a bug to the OE bugtracker Jul 19 23:09:08 ~borzoi Jul 19 23:09:10 somebody said borzoi was the Sharp SL-C3100, or a dog (see http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/borzoi.htm ) Jul 19 23:10:07 JustinP: will do but was wondering if anybody else has seen this & looking for ideas on how to get login working Jul 19 23:10:27 JustinP: Jul 19 23:10:27 DISTRO = "openzaurus-3.5.4.1" Jul 19 23:10:28 GET_ARCH = "arm" Jul 19 23:10:28 MACHINE = "borzoi" Jul 19 23:10:28 TARGET_OS = "linux" Jul 19 23:11:18 Now I see Jul 19 23:11:18 * Sorry, There is no dedicated configuration for the Sharp SL-C3100, Jul 19 23:11:18 * Use MACHINE = "spitz". Jul 19 23:13:10 guess I'll use my old openzaurus image on the hard drive & altboot to Angstrom image and muck around to see if I can figure it out Jul 19 23:29:37 jerrybme: remember to altboot the right kernel Jul 19 23:29:43 arm-bar: ah yes. use spitz ;-) Jul 19 23:31:03 I told it to bulid nano for starters. I should have ran time bitbake nano. ;) Jul 19 23:32:56 What started this was the fact that my CF card has shitty firmware and it needs to be upgraded. Jul 19 23:34:02 When I try with the hostap that is installed if fails because FW download is not enabled in the module. :/ Jul 19 23:34:44 bbl Jul 20 00:51:32 hi Jul 20 00:52:47 arm-bar: iit's turned off because it's of questionable legality and can easily break things if people do the wrong thing. Jul 20 00:53:36 iit?? Jul 20 00:53:59 it Jul 20 00:54:01 questionable legality? Jul 20 00:54:02 slow connection Jul 20 00:54:18 I believe some questions were raised about the licenses of some of the pieces..... Jul 20 00:54:23 I could be mistaken Jul 20 00:54:26 the second point is the main one Jul 20 00:54:59 break things? shit happens Jul 20 00:55:23 yeah, but if you brick your CF WiFi card you're SOL Jul 20 00:55:35 and we don't want to be helping people do that Jul 20 00:55:41 right. Jul 20 00:55:50 at least not by default Jul 20 00:56:13 but with the firmware I have now it is really not worth much to me anyways. Jul 20 00:57:06 bitbake hostap Jul 20 00:57:06 ERROR: Nothing provides dependency hostap Jul 20 00:57:06 NOTE: Jul 20 00:57:12 arm-bar, borrow someoen else's device Jul 20 00:57:13 hostap-modules Jul 20 01:00:47 if I build hostap-modules what else get built? Jul 20 01:02:05 I mean how long would it take to build a ipkg like hostap-modules? Jul 20 01:03:38 I don't know Jul 20 01:03:50 you need gcc-cross and that requires gcc-initial and glibc Jul 20 01:04:08 and likely virtual/kernel and binutils-cross and anything all those depend on Jul 20 01:06:20 depens are met *magical* or configuratoin is required? Jul 20 01:06:33 please rephrase Jul 20 01:07:10 descrepencies* Jul 20 01:07:59 nope, sorry, still don't know what you mean Jul 20 01:08:30 descrepencies are precaculated? Jul 20 01:08:39 dependencies you mean? Jul 20 01:08:41 I see binutils-2.15.94.0.1.tar.bz2 is being called Jul 20 01:08:58 the build-time dependencies are in the DEPENDS variables of the bbfiles Jul 20 01:09:29 run-time dependencies are in RDEPENDS and automatically found with some magic lib stuff Jul 20 01:10:47 ok Jul 20 01:23:04 NOTE: package qemu-native-0.7.0-r1: task do_compile: failed Jul 20 01:23:04 ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting Jul 20 01:23:04 NOTE: package qemu-native-0.7.0: failed Jul 20 01:26:21 /slirp/tftp.c: In function 'tftp_send_error': Jul 20 01:26:21 | /home/user/Zbuild/build/tmp/work/armv5te-linux/qemu-native-0.7.0-r Jul 20 01:26:22 1/qemu-0.7.0 Jul 20 01:26:22 /softmmu_header.h:184: error: can't find a register in class 'GENERAL_R Jul 20 01:26:22 EGS' whil Jul 20 01:26:23 e reloading 'asm' Jul 20 02:30:53 JustinP: Any idea why qemu-native failed? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 20 02:59:57 2006