**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 22 02:59:56 2006 Jul 22 03:02:48 The make file is here: Jul 22 03:02:50 http://pastebin.ca/95544 Jul 22 03:04:21 Another newb question. It only builds with gcc 3.3.5. Is that going to be a problem on oz? Jul 22 05:06:03 is there a way I can force bb files to pull from current svn, instead of (I think) revisions only up to srcdate/cvsdate? I've been just puting date= in the srcuri, but is there a way to just say pull most recent? Jul 22 05:09:02 modifying CVSDATE before the srcuri line seems a better approach, but still what I mean to do is pull most recent. Jul 22 05:18:41 dont specify a date Jul 22 05:19:13 I don't want to, what are my options? Jul 22 05:19:34 i just told you Jul 22 05:19:49 remove the date Jul 22 05:19:51 it's not pulling the most current without a date Jul 22 05:20:07 it should, if it is not , then a date is specified somewhere else Jul 22 05:21:30 I think a date is set distro config files. I think I need to find the cvs fetch code to understand what's going on. Jul 22 05:22:05 then comment them out in the distro conf or use a blank line in your local Jul 22 05:24:01 okay thanks. I'll experiment with those ideas. Jul 22 07:00:45 good morning all Jul 22 07:12:55 hehe, thats interesting... Jul 22 07:13:13 if you have the TERMINFO env var set, the glibc build uses it and installs those Jul 22 07:13:23 so theres an unpackaged /home/kergoth/.terminfo Jul 22 07:13:27 :P Jul 22 07:13:33 should probably unset that var in the glibc .bb Jul 22 07:22:26 heh Jul 22 07:40:19 RP: my bl turned off again when I tapped on the light applet Jul 22 07:40:34 RP: it would only come back on when I sshed in and ran "echo 20 > brightness" Jul 22 08:21:27 good morning dudes Jul 22 08:22:15 im running familiar 0.8.4-rc1 on an simpad SL4 with opie frontend. somehow the input decalibrated, so i cant use opie anymore. can i call calibrate thru console somehow? Jul 22 08:22:28 yes Jul 22 08:23:12 ipkg install tslib-calibrate ; ts_calibrate Jul 22 08:23:15 (iirc) Jul 22 08:25:34 ill check that out, thx bro Jul 22 08:39:06 * zwelch waves Jul 22 08:39:50 is there a Perl equivalent to BitBake/OpenEmbedded? Jul 22 08:40:20 not that I know off Jul 22 08:40:27 yeah, me neither Jul 22 08:40:49 cpan? ;) Jul 22 08:40:52 i'm working on one, but it's only 6 months old and far far away from having bitbake's capabilties Jul 22 08:40:54 afaik OE is the only project with such a complete approach Jul 22 08:41:05 yeah, and it's mature Jul 22 08:41:29 there are lots of 'build tool' projects, but most (all?) require you to provide a toolchain Jul 22 08:41:54 yeah, that's a problem i am capable of dealing with Jul 22 08:41:55 which can be annoying for $obscure arch Jul 22 08:42:05 ... but, yeah, not in the general case. Jul 22 08:42:43 at the moment, i just finished implementing a new pastebin-like system Jul 22 08:43:13 it's all perl though, so i doubt there would be much interest in integrating it with bitbake directly Jul 22 08:43:40 i wanted to at least mention it because it was directly inspired by my experience with the pastebin capabilities in the bitbake shell Jul 22 08:43:49 * zwelch high fives the bitbake developers Jul 22 08:44:35 as it happens, i've integrated it into my newly refactored "splatbuild" toolkit Jul 22 08:45:28 (which is the aforementioned build system that i'm working on, but it's not worth mentioning yet) Jul 22 08:48:33 anyway, i just wanted to say: thanks for the feature ideas ;) Jul 22 08:49:04 does minisplat have video support? Jul 22 08:49:16 jobi and I added minisip-video eons ago, but it requires a specific ffmpeg version and I never got it to work Jul 22 08:52:21 * koen heads to the nearest Subway for a 'steak & cheese' Jul 22 08:54:47 koen|away: yes and, yes, ffmpeg is a problem unto itself Jul 22 10:46:57 do bitbake files have registered MIME types? Jul 22 10:48:44 I'd be guessing no.. Jul 22 10:49:29 heh, yeah "registered" is asking for a lot Jul 22 10:50:15 Yeah, IANA isn't exactly easy to deal with for that, I've heard. Jul 22 10:50:22 heh Jul 22 10:52:29 i know that i need to just read the relevant MIME RFCs, but i was thinking it would be nice to enumerate such types of bitbake files and document an agreed upon set of conventions Jul 22 10:52:54 * zwelch isn't sure what the proper process for coming up with and filing away names Jul 22 10:53:30 certainly, i would expect you'd have a lot easier time with IANA if you could show applications that are using them... and we can't use them unitl they are defined Jul 22 10:54:39 Yeah.. I'm guessing we'd probably have to apply for a vnd.* prefix.. then register something along the lines of application/vnd.oe.bitbake-package.. Jul 22 10:55:10 more generally, i wonder what it takes to teach 'file' the same kind of knowledge about bitbake file extensions Jul 22 10:55:21 * zwelch guesses that's probably just mime driven Jul 22 10:55:36 IIRC, that's in /etc/magic.. Jul 22 11:27:55 JustinP: That sounds like a bug in the light applet? Jul 22 11:29:12 * RP plays with a gps Jul 22 11:29:14 morning Jul 22 11:29:21 hey XorA Jul 22 11:29:21 morning all Jul 22 11:29:27 hey RP Jul 22 11:30:11 RP: have you checked for static on your corgi? Jul 22 11:31:23 XorA: No, but I think its a codec issue and will be intermittent - the wm8731 hardware can't really support the delayed off Liam added to ASoC Jul 22 11:31:47 RP: ah, so thats why I dont see it consitantly Jul 22 12:09:18 hi xora Jul 22 12:15:29 * XorA mmms, mini pizza Jul 22 12:15:37 mini pizza! Jul 22 12:15:39 * koen wants Jul 22 12:16:01 koen: I could post it, but it would be a bit off by time it gets there Jul 22 12:17:32 yeah Jul 22 12:18:14 hm we will have "griessbrei" with cherrys Jul 22 12:18:23 its perfect for that heat Jul 22 12:20:19 koen: I've slimmed down the nslu2-linux.mtn (it's now 89MB), and am uploading it to monotone.nslu2-linux.org now Jul 22 12:20:50 rwhitby: after the migration each 'mirror' is responsible for it's own syncing Jul 22 12:20:54 after that's done, I will be ready to issue a new MasterMakefile Jul 22 12:20:58 to remove the single point of failure Jul 22 12:20:59 koen: understood Jul 22 12:21:30 so I can use the nslu2-linux@nslu2-linux.org key to sync with monotone.openembedded.org ? Jul 22 12:21:32 we'll make a list of email adresses of the mirror maintainer when that happens Jul 22 12:21:43 rwhitby: yes Jul 22 12:21:54 (after we go r/w_ Jul 22 12:21:55 ) Jul 22 12:22:03 what should we use for the sync interval? Jul 22 12:22:49 anything you want Jul 22 12:23:04 it will be listed on the mirrors page Jul 22 12:23:36 something like "monotone.nslu2-linux.org - org.openembedded.dev - 2 hours" Jul 22 12:23:59 heh, I was thinking more along the lines of 10 minutes ... Jul 22 12:24:07 2 minutes, 2 days, 2 weeks, whatever you want :) Jul 22 12:24:24 btw, monotone 0.28 was released Jul 22 12:24:52 koen: they just trying to keep ahead of us :-) Jul 22 12:25:00 yeah Jul 22 12:25:02 jesus Jul 22 12:25:09 0.28 has the cherry picker Jul 22 12:25:18 woglinde: time based releases Jul 22 12:33:04 koen: monotone.nslu2-linux.org is up and running r/o (except for special keys) with the new database. Jul 22 12:33:20 rwhitby: cool Jul 22 12:33:33 *fingers crossed* Jul 22 12:33:47 oe, koen, mickeyl, nslu2-linux, dyoung, rwhitby are one keys allowed to write. Jul 22 12:35:37 * koen taps foot Jul 22 12:36:04 hugin is quite slow Jul 22 12:36:26 Yeah, it is.. Jul 22 12:36:31 But it can give some nice results. Jul 22 12:36:48 I've got a 1m wide pano on my wall done in hugin Jul 22 12:37:45 Which reminds me.. I should get around to putting together a few photos I took a couple of weeks back. Jul 22 12:38:32 my 12mm has a 90 degree FOV, so pano's are getting much easier to produce :) Jul 22 12:38:50 "make update" seems to be working ... Jul 22 12:39:02 koen: should I use --lca by default for merges any more? Jul 22 12:39:42 iirc 0.28 doesn't even have --lca :) Jul 22 12:39:46 so, no Jul 22 12:41:05 * rwhitby restarts the autobuilds ... Jul 22 13:11:28 koen: ts_calibrate worked just fine, thx again Jul 22 14:12:07 hi guys, may I know anyone has experience with linux running in AVR before? Jul 22 14:14:33 AVR? As in the microcontrollers? Jul 22 14:14:59 yes NA|Zzz Jul 22 14:15:15 do u have any experience about it? Jul 22 14:15:29 I don't believe there's a linux port to AVRs, not even uClinux.. Jul 22 14:15:49 well.. Jul 22 14:15:58 then what os can run on those microcontroller? Jul 22 14:16:14 Certainly no mainstream OS that I know of Jul 22 14:16:27 Most are a little too heavyweight for such a micro Jul 22 14:17:03 well, what are those lightweight os available? mind to share with me, pls. Jul 22 14:18:55 I haven't had too much experience with it; you'd be better off googling around for it. You can get crosscompilers that run under *ix though that target AVRs.. what functionality are you looking for from the OS? Jul 22 14:20:27 NA|Zzz: I need it to run a sensor network. Jul 22 14:20:55 -g -O2 -c -o libvigra_impex_a-byteorder.o Jul 22 14:21:00 so, it must able to support the routing protocol and interface with the rf ic , and etc. Jul 22 14:21:02 * koen read that as libviagra Jul 22 14:21:07 ~lart spamfilters Jul 22 14:21:08 * ibot takes out a cattle prod and gives spamfilters a good jolt Jul 22 14:21:16 ~lart non-working spamfilters Jul 22 14:21:16 * ibot nabs the moon and broadsides non-working spamfilters with the sea of tranquility Jul 22 14:23:02 zkchong: You'd be looking for something a bit heavier than an AVR micro unless you want to implement it yourself; for sake of development time, it might be worth moving to one of the platforms where uCLinux has been ported to, say, xscale, or coldfire. Jul 22 14:23:44 using XScale in sensor node is abit costly. Jul 22 14:23:52 Correct. Jul 22 14:24:03 and my supervisor surely will definitely disagree with me. Jul 22 14:24:09 using intel chips in general is costly Jul 22 14:24:10 But any OS that's oriented towards networked devices is going to be primarily targeted at larger systems. Jul 22 14:24:35 cirrus ep9302: $9, xscale: $39 Jul 22 14:25:08 XScale.. $39.. what if I need to build 1000 nodes... Jul 22 14:25:12 zkchong: You might want to do some research into networked sensor projects that've been used in the past - that'll give you a guide as to what methods may work. Jul 22 14:25:14 bankrupt. Jul 22 14:25:25 Well, 1000 nodes isn't going to be cheap regardless. Jul 22 14:25:29 yes, thanks NA Jul 22 14:26:02 I see some people using tinyos for the sensor networks. Jul 22 14:26:11 but I wish I can find more choices. Jul 22 14:26:16 zkchong: Have a dig around http://linuxdevices.com/ if you still want to go down the linux route though. Jul 22 14:26:47 linux runs on arm7, and those can be gotten pretty cheap Jul 22 14:27:20 thanks NA|Zzz Jul 22 14:27:30 well, koen, how pretty cheap it is? Jul 22 14:27:34 less than $10? Jul 22 14:27:55 depends on the volume Jul 22 14:28:09 try contacting sharp or samsung about it Jul 22 14:29:36 ok. thanks koen. I will loook at it. Jul 22 14:36:42 ~hail OE Jul 22 14:36:47 * ibot bows down to OE and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Jul 22 14:44:13 morning Jul 22 14:44:30 morning 2 Jul 22 15:15:50 afternoon Jul 22 15:16:31 hi reenoo Jul 22 15:16:55 hey woglinde Jul 22 15:39:24 hi folks Jul 22 15:39:38 im setting up OE on a debian vm Jul 22 15:39:49 i got bitbake checked out Jul 22 15:40:23 this is my first attempt ever to get involved in developing/debugging Jul 22 15:40:47 and the wiki is pretty good so far with the exception of how to install monotone Jul 22 15:42:28 it just says "install monotone 0.27" but when i do 'apt-get -s install monotone' it only has v0.26 - any help out there? Jul 22 15:43:12 that's ok Jul 22 15:43:47 but if you *really* want 0.27: http://venge.net/monotone/downloads/ <- debs avaiable Jul 22 15:44:19 so v0.26 will work - is there any compelling reason o should go to 0.27 right now? Jul 22 15:44:30 s/ o / i / Jul 22 15:44:57 nothing really interesting for people without commit access Jul 22 15:45:12 poushag: sid has 0.27 if you really want it.. Jul 22 15:46:07 ive never even used debian before - just redhat & fedora Jul 22 15:46:26 so i really dont understand the cost/benefit tradeoff of sarge vs sid Jul 22 15:46:38 stable vs unstable Jul 22 15:46:49 i know that Jul 22 15:46:52 poushag: sid's more bleeding-edge.. you get more recent stuff, but less testing has been performed. Jul 22 15:46:52 venge.net has sarge devs for 0.27 Jul 22 15:47:01 that doesnt explain cost/benefit relationship Jul 22 15:47:15 poushag: Well, define what's a benefit for you.. Jul 22 15:47:36 i mean how often am i going to be butting my head against a wall because my build environment is giving me a problem? Jul 22 15:48:03 i want to develop/debug not waste time fooling with the environment Jul 22 15:48:16 Individual packaages that are well-maintained tend to be fine under sid; I've got two work servers, and 10 workstations running sid without any real issues. Jul 22 15:49:40 what is the biggest issue then (so i can understand what makes a non-real issue) Jul 22 15:50:42 When there's transitions between major packages.. i.e. C++ ABI transition, or KDE version transitions, certain packages can be uninstallable during the transition periods, which can sometimes last weeks. Jul 22 15:51:37 ok thx - thats valuable intelligence Jul 22 15:52:09 are there one or two features that make sid significantly better than sarge for OE dev? if so what? Jul 22 15:52:36 For OE, I don't think there's any major advantages. Jul 22 15:52:58 Certainly for workstation use there is (X desktop environments/apps).. but not for OE. Jul 22 15:53:05 ok well im only running this vm for OE dev Jul 22 15:53:22 and im only using command line so far Jul 22 15:53:54 theres no significant advantage to using gui to build oe is there? Jul 22 15:55:34 anybody? Jul 22 15:56:36 poushag: (re: debian) there is also etch, which is more tested than sid and has newer stuff than sarge Jul 22 15:57:17 the only thing i can think of off the top of my head might be for using xxdiff as i have done on fedora and redhat machines Jul 22 15:57:45 poushag: atm OE is command-line only Jul 22 15:58:07 well maybe if you toss a sources.list file in a pastebin for me i could see how to set up for etch Jul 22 15:59:10 thx koen - xxdiff is just a handy diff tool that has color for diff listing/reconciling Jul 22 15:59:24 I usually use meld Jul 22 16:00:00 so thats the only gui use i can think of right now - i hate regular old diff - im too spoiled by beyond compare and xxdiff Jul 22 16:00:21 is meld a gui or cli tool? Jul 22 16:00:54 I use kdiff3 here.. seems decent enough Jul 22 16:01:38 i would like to avoid gui if possible Jul 22 16:01:49 is kdiff3 gui or cli? Jul 22 16:03:07 meld is a gtk2 gui Jul 22 16:03:13 kdifft a qt3 one Jul 22 16:03:28 yeah i shouldve known by the k prefix Jul 22 16:03:52 * koen isn't a qt app Jul 22 16:03:54 but i only recently started using kde stuff (on my Z) Jul 22 16:04:10 heheh Jul 22 16:04:53 is there a diff tool for cli that has colors? Jul 22 16:06:11 poushag: gui Jul 22 16:06:49 koen: Yeah, you're not a misspelt word like most of the KDE apps :) Jul 22 16:09:22 thank god gnome stopped doing that Jul 22 16:10:11 Yeah, it's childish at best. Jul 22 16:11:49 well i will worry about gui when i cant avoid doing some color diffing Jul 22 16:12:03 because my vm has a lot of gui issues right now Jul 22 16:13:41 i would have to add support for my video card, increase the desktop size - i dont enjoy fooling wiht Xorg.conf (or whatever the conf file was before that *86*.conf) Jul 22 16:23:46 it looks like cdif at least could help make differences stand out more for cli Jul 22 16:25:01 but cdif package seems to not exist for debian Jul 22 16:26:38 heh Jul 22 16:26:41 151MB tiff file Jul 22 16:27:22 koen: from hugin? Jul 22 16:27:27 yes Jul 22 16:27:44 36MB if I remove the borders Jul 22 16:27:54 I'm not surprised.. I've had 30mpix panos come out that big.. Jul 22 16:29:09 the result: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/index.php/v/Koen/Nederland/enschede/enschedewideangle/grotemarkt-pano.jpg.html?q=gallery Jul 22 16:29:14 not bad for a first try Jul 22 16:29:18 ~hail enblend Jul 22 16:29:20 * ibot bows down to enblend and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Jul 22 16:30:20 koen: Good stuff =) Jul 22 16:33:14 This's one of mine that I got printed up.. http://tucuxi.org/images/pano/pano1FLT.jpg - big version is http://tucuxi.org/images/pano/pano1FLTx.jpg (warning; 6mb file) Jul 22 16:35:56 nice! Jul 22 16:36:01 Thanks =) Jul 22 16:36:51 hey zecke! Jul 22 16:37:02 hey Jul 22 16:37:07 *home* Jul 22 16:37:28 hey zecke Jul 22 16:37:48 hey Jul 22 16:37:51 reenoo: how are you? Jul 22 16:39:09 zecke: a bit exhausted, sick of the oh so great (according to the media and people who don't have to work) summer, but otherwise fine. you? Jul 22 16:39:44 reenoo: I was busy preparing stuff for the Filmfest Muenchen and just returned home Jul 22 16:39:54 reenoo: I'm exhausted and such... Jul 22 16:40:02 otherwise it was fun and I'm feeling fine Jul 22 16:44:28 ah, interesting. what have you been doing in munich? Jul 22 16:47:18 oe db appears to be about 100mb zipped - how nig is it unzipped? Jul 22 16:47:24 *big Jul 22 16:49:03 46GB Jul 22 16:49:05 reenoo: The company I'm doing my studienarbeit/pseudo-research at, cooperated with Vodafone Pilotentwicklung to present some newish television format Jul 22 16:49:06 * chouimat ducks Jul 22 16:49:38 zecke: ah, cool Jul 22 16:49:59 poushag: my fresh pull is 98MB unzipped Jul 22 16:50:29 reenoo: yeah, it was funny to see ~60 phones showing the same content Jul 22 16:53:45 thx zecke - i dont have unlimited space for my vm so the size is important - the sw packages i had to install were already about 100MB Jul 22 16:55:09 poushag: You'll need approx. 7-8gb for a single image to build.. Jul 22 16:56:34 what i about just building opi-kde-image? Jul 22 16:56:56 hi Jul 22 16:57:05 poushag: opie-image for openzaurus-unstable on my box takes about 7gb.. Jul 22 16:57:09 hi coredump Jul 22 16:57:23 RP: are you around? Jul 22 16:57:38 ok i think i can handle that - checking.... Jul 22 17:00:07 I take it the repo is still RO? Jul 22 17:02:03 looks like i have 1.4GB used and 5.95GB available Jul 22 17:02:28 CoreDump|home: Yeah, from what the wiki says Jul 22 17:03:36 actually 5.7GB avail and 7.5GB total Jul 22 17:04:05 is there anything i can do to conserve space? Jul 22 17:04:41 poushag: Nothing that's easily automated, unfortunately. Jul 22 17:05:09 You can rm -rf tmp/work/.../packagename after it's built and nothing depends on having the source of it there.. but that's about it Jul 22 17:06:10 can i tweak a few ipks without making images? Jul 22 17:06:13 place INHERIT += "rm_work" into your local.conf and hopes it works Jul 22 17:06:22 sure Jul 22 17:06:40 poushag: images are created by installing the ipk Jul 22 17:06:47 well maybe i will limit myself to that Jul 22 17:07:13 zecke, not sure what you meant by that - can you clarify pls Jul 22 17:07:33 installing the ipk on what? Jul 22 17:07:45 poushag: Locally, within a staging area Jul 22 17:07:55 is there a Z emulator included in oe? Jul 22 17:09:34 hello everyone Jul 22 17:09:40 or do i have to test ipks by installing them on my actual Zaurus? Jul 22 17:10:44 does anyone know how much space i need to build without making images Jul 22 17:10:45 hi Greg2 Jul 22 17:10:46 ? Jul 22 17:11:16 CoreDump|home, hi Jul 22 17:12:13 i read practically the whole wiki already - perhaps answers to some of these should be added to the faq section (or elsewhere) Jul 22 17:13:23 poushag: that depends on what you are trying to do. If your want to compile a single opie or GPE app, then the dependencies will have to be compiled, too. You'll probably stay below a full Opie / GPE image build tho Jul 22 17:13:59 Greg2: I can't compile image w/ working sound on poodle anymore :\ Jul 22 17:14:40 CoreDump|home, why? Jul 22 17:14:53 ALSA lib control.c:817:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL default Jul 22 17:14:53 alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory Jul 22 17:14:53 r Jul 22 17:15:17 I even trashed tmp to no avail Jul 22 17:17:36 thx coredump - guess i will try it and see Jul 22 17:17:39 so how do you all test your ipks? in that staging area? Jul 22 17:17:57 CoreDump|home, i'm on my laptop and all my notes about this are on my desktop, but i will check them later Jul 22 17:17:59 poushag: by installing them onto the Z Jul 22 17:18:08 Greg2: thanks Jul 22 17:18:21 ok so theres no Z emulator available it appears Jul 22 17:18:43 qemu Jul 22 17:18:58 http://www.o-hand.com/~richard/qemu.html Jul 22 17:19:19 hey koen Jul 22 17:19:23 thx koen - have you used it with good results? Jul 22 17:19:50 mvlcee *eek* Jul 22 17:20:04 haven't used it at all Jul 22 17:20:14 zecke: did you post the mail to the monotone list yet? Jul 22 17:20:20 and can we go r/w? Jul 22 17:20:32 koen: No, I didn't yet. Jul 22 17:20:46 koen: let us go r/w as these 'errors' where in the original db as well Jul 22 17:21:16 well i will stick to using the actual Z for now - but i bookmarked that qemu page for later Jul 22 17:24:45 he zecke Jul 22 17:25:21 * CoreDump|home installs a bootstrap image on poodle Jul 22 17:28:34 zecke: you, mickeyl and me have 'w' now Jul 22 17:30:29 koen: do we need to update this one hook? Jul 22 17:30:42 koen: you? had placed '#' in it so we might still need to update Jul 22 17:31:17 mickeyl has placed those Jul 22 17:34:58 im in the wiki step "create local configuration" Jul 22 17:35:42 it mentions that i need the arm cross-compiler for 2.4 kernel - how do i get it? Jul 22 17:37:07 zecke: the db had lost all the pubkeys, I restored them Jul 22 17:40:17 ah you pushed Jul 22 17:40:41 yep Jul 22 17:43:31 lol Jul 22 17:43:42 who did create the oe@oe passphrase? Jul 22 17:43:51 :) Jul 22 17:44:57 I'm disgusted by the actions of israel, they make me even more depressive... Jul 22 17:46:49 koen: what do we do with the ciabot? Jul 22 17:47:12 fix it, hopefully Jul 22 17:47:21 or wait till mr ibiza fixes it Jul 22 17:49:27 koen: do we have ciabot installed? Jul 22 17:51:06 zecke: no idea Jul 22 18:00:51 koen: was it oeAT merlin? Jul 22 18:01:18 openembedded @ Jul 22 18:01:45 did he disable the login? Jul 22 18:02:43 not that I know off Jul 22 18:02:54 zecke: for line in (t.strip() for t in self.standalone.run('ls', ['tags'])): Jul 22 18:03:00 is that python 2.3 or 2.4? Jul 22 18:04:38 dunno Jul 22 18:07:05 my dail-up connection is sooo frustrating Jul 22 18:09:16 CoreDump|home, you still around? Jul 22 18:09:28 Greg2: yeah Jul 22 18:09:41 CoreDump|home, have you bitbaked the alsa stuff with the image, conf, settings, alsctl, etc.? Jul 22 18:09:45 I fixed my alsa problem, I was missing the ala-conf package Jul 22 18:09:56 ok :) Jul 22 18:10:14 and indeed the distortions vanish after resuming from suspend =) Jul 22 18:10:31 good! Jul 22 18:10:54 hi Jul 22 18:10:54 hi florian Jul 22 18:15:19 * JustinP build monotone 0.28 Jul 22 18:15:21 koen: :-) Jul 22 18:18:27 RP: i'm not sure if your here now... but thanks for all the kernel work you've done on the poodle :) Jul 22 18:20:33 koen: I'm working on ciabot now Jul 22 18:20:41 zecke: thanks Jul 22 18:20:48 zecke: I'm working on viewmtn right nbow Jul 22 18:20:50 now* Jul 22 18:21:29 zecke: shall I send out a mail asking for devs to apply for r/w access? Jul 22 18:21:47 koen: why do we want that? Jul 22 18:21:58 koen: is there any reason not to allow old people to push? Jul 22 18:22:06 koen: do we want to know who is around? Jul 22 18:23:00 zecke: I don't really care how we do it Jul 22 18:23:27 koen: let us avoid frustration and simply add the devs Jul 22 18:23:37 koen: otherwise we would need to mail every one Jul 22 18:23:47 zecke: no, mail oe@ Jul 22 18:24:06 this would lead to the frustration I want to avoid Jul 22 18:24:17 even if people should, not every ones reads that list Jul 22 18:24:50 could you close .monotonerc? Jul 22 18:24:58 done Jul 22 18:25:36 done Jul 22 18:25:55 OpenEmbedded Developer Lounge | BitBake 1.4.2 has been released - only use HEAD if you are developing it | this is still not a distribution support channel | www.openembedded.org | Bugtracker: http://bugs.openembedded.org/ Jul 22 18:30:00 that us migrated then? Jul 22 18:30:18 XorA: almost Jul 22 18:30:35 cia and viewmtn are a bit non-working Jul 22 18:32:49 eeek Jul 22 18:33:57 koen: oops Jul 22 18:34:01 did I remove your screen? Jul 22 18:34:08 you did :) Jul 22 18:34:16 its yours Jul 22 18:34:26 ciabot is running :} Jul 22 18:34:35 :) Jul 22 18:34:39 mickeyl already did the lion share of work Jul 22 18:35:27 viewmtn seems to be working as well Jul 22 18:35:59 diffs are broken :) Jul 22 18:36:09 http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/diff.psp?id1=c13ab0631c2aaf1672f6230f234f77319425ecaf&id2=bf34399aa1a49c91eb9c8569e3bd803c0006a501 Jul 22 18:36:50 http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/diff.psp?id1=580919464ad15e7c6f626f4777c1683ad8651be3&id2=2e86ad9f702085cdc43db32345744bae3a2268eb&fname=classes/base.bbclass Jul 22 18:37:09 bbl Jul 22 18:38:10 now I need someone to test drive my rosterify script Jul 22 18:39:43 zecke: koen congrats ont he operation then, and cheers for the hard work Jul 22 18:40:01 XorA|gone: oh well, let us see what we have missed Jul 22 18:40:15 we have not ran all of the planned tests, just some plausubility checks Jul 22 18:40:45 using google i found some reference to gcc-cross-sa1100 rpm - but debian doesnt use rpm - is there a pkg somewhere for debian? Jul 22 18:40:57 maybe? Jul 22 18:41:14 poushag: why would you need that? Jul 22 18:41:14 poushag: You may be able to use 'alien' with it.. rpm to dpkg converter, iirc Jul 22 18:42:05 brb -wife calling Jul 22 18:45:21 ok got rid of the spider Jul 22 18:46:33 koen, im just following what the wiki says - i have a collie and it says you must have arm cross compiler installed Jul 22 18:46:42 for 2.4 kernels Jul 22 18:46:47 ah Jul 22 18:46:54 I always forget about that :) Jul 22 18:47:35 has anyone even attempted to get collie to 2.6 kernel? Jul 22 18:48:05 a few Jul 22 18:49:04 the cross-compiler appears to depend on gcc 2.95 - i think the gcc stuff i installed was ver 4 Jul 22 18:49:57 poushag: search for embedix gcc and 2.95 Jul 22 18:52:25 coredump, dont you build stuff for collie? whered you get your cross-compiler? Jul 22 18:56:22 hmmm - the Z has gcc 3.4.4 on it - does this mean that i need a cross compiler to integrate with that version of gcc? Jul 22 18:56:39 poushag: gcc 2.95 is needed for the ancient kernel Jul 22 18:56:56 poushag: and the gcc version used for the kernel has little to nothing to do with the version for the userspace Jul 22 18:57:09 ok thx for clearing that up Jul 22 18:57:43 so even to just build an opie ipk i still need the cross compiler? Jul 22 18:58:08 poushag: they might indirectly depend on virtual/kernel Jul 22 18:58:20 ok thats what i thought Jul 22 18:58:37 poushag: but try it out, we should use sanitized kernel headers which should work with your kernel as well Jul 22 18:58:49 poushag: so just try it Jul 22 18:58:59 poushag: and once again google for embedix gcc and 2.95 Jul 22 18:59:10 poushag: you should be able to find a toolchain Jul 22 18:59:22 you mean try it without the cross compiler? i did google that and didnt get any good links Jul 22 18:59:38 ~zauruskernels Jul 22 18:59:40 poushag: I just did, so try again Jul 22 18:59:40 methinks zauruskernels is by default Zaurus used 2.4.18 or 2.4.20 - now we have 2.6 working on all clamshells and work is progressing for tosa, poodle, collie. More info in OpenZaurus wiki: http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Kernel_Information Jul 22 19:00:45 hmm Jul 22 19:00:49 googling 'arm cross-compiler zaurus' seems to yield something useful Jul 22 19:31:12 zecke, i figured out what happened - i spelled embedix with two Ds Jul 22 19:40:25 http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT6830035793.html - does this look correct? the header file links seem to reference the wrong kernel Jul 22 19:41:03 na, i think youre right - sharp distributed these in rpms so alien may be my only option Jul 22 19:46:48 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r141d60d3... 10/ (1 README): README: remove leading space Jul 22 19:46:57 wheeeee Jul 22 19:47:17 http://web.archive.org/web/20041128100701/http://downloads.zaurususergroup.com/downloads/docs/downloads/ seems to have some rpms that might be useful Jul 22 19:49:06 koen: yes? Jul 22 19:49:34 koen: may I steal the screen? Jul 22 19:49:38 sure Jul 22 19:50:40 any volunteers for a news story for the frontpage? Jul 22 19:55:55 hehe Jul 22 19:55:58 let us wait Jul 22 19:56:36 rss aggregator is working as well Jul 22 19:59:38 Yeah I have time for tinderbox hacking Jul 22 20:03:48 ~guinness koen Jul 22 20:03:50 * ibot pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout and hands it to koen Jul 22 20:04:52 kilkenny Jul 22 20:04:58 but I have rotkehlchen Jul 22 20:08:15 http://wiki.splitbrain.org/zaurusdevel has good notes for debian cross compiler setup Jul 22 20:08:34 why would we need that? Jul 22 20:08:37 we have oe :) Jul 22 20:08:59 not all of it - just the cross compiler part for collies Jul 22 20:12:24 reenoo: would you be interested if I run regular builds of familiar? Jul 22 20:15:13 if he would be he shouldn't have forked Jul 22 20:15:26 psst Jul 22 20:17:14 zecke: dunno. would probably help notify people if things break. Jul 22 20:18:40 reenoo: do you have any ETA for your release? Jul 22 20:19:25 zecke: not a precise one. why would that matter? Jul 22 20:20:01 I'm just courious :) Jul 22 20:21:24 docs and website need some love. not sure how long that will take. Jul 22 21:32:21 re Jul 22 21:32:26 wb Jul 22 21:32:59 thanks x29a Jul 22 21:33:53 CoreDump|afk: I am now... Jul 22 21:34:11 Greg2: you're welcome, thanks :) Jul 22 21:34:25 RP hey Jul 22 21:34:32 monotone.nslu2-linux.org is now synced with monotone.openembedded.org - just need to set up a cron job now that can handle the database being locked by mtn serve ... Jul 22 21:39:03 rwhitby: I did try and get the slug serial interface going btw - soldered up an adapter and spent a while wondeing why it didn't work until I realised I'd picked up the wrong chip from the desk (I had four with the same number of pins) :-/. Thankfully the slug appears undamaged... Jul 22 21:41:30 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r1c2239c2... 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Remove references to imaginary variables. BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_DEPENDS is no longer required/exists. Ditto GPE_EXTRA_DEPENDS. Jul 22 21:49:29 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r186e7912... 10/ (10 files in 2 dirs): mtd-utils: Fix PV strings and lower default preference of 1.0.0 due to build problems Jul 22 21:52:43 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rd1f5dde5... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.17.bb): linux-oz-2.6.17: Update ASoC 0.11pre2 -> 0.11pre5, fixing several issues Jul 22 22:06:04 RP: cool - is it working now? Jul 22 22:07:43 rwhitby: I hard soldered the adapter to make it inline and small - will have to do it again - that'll teach me to hardsolder things ;-) Jul 22 22:24:42 good night Jul 22 22:24:50 'night all Jul 22 22:25:02 'night RP Jul 22 22:41:45 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/sources/tslib_pubcvs.arm.linux.org.uk__20060703.tar.gz Jul 22 22:41:49 => Jul 22 22:41:53 404 Not Found Jul 22 22:41:53 17:59:19 ERROR 404: Not F Jul 22 22:43:32 is the package name right? http://www.oesources.org/source/current/tslib_pubcvs.arm.linux.org.uk__20040509.tar.gz Jul 22 23:17:24 nslu2-linux monotone migration is complete. Jul 22 23:29:43 cool Jul 22 23:44:26 what should I subsatute for NOTE: package tslib-0.1+cvs-20060703-r2: task do_fetch: failed Jul 23 02:38:47 night **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 23 02:59:57 2006