**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 03 02:59:57 2006 Aug 03 03:20:05 night Aug 03 04:40:34 patches won't apply if patch level != 1 Bug maybe Aug 03 05:31:09 myopiate, if your paths are so wrong that they didnt apply, its a user malfunction Aug 03 06:38:17 hi Aug 03 06:39:07 emte, I looked in the run.do_patchcmd.xxxx file generated, no matter what I set the file://patchfile.patch;patch=x argument to in my bb file, the generated code to manipulate quilt, always imports the patch as -p 1. I did a quick grep on the whole package directory, only linux/linux-jlime-jornada6xx_2.6.17.bb has set the patch level to anything other than 1 and I expect not many people build this. I haven't got time to learn Aug 03 06:39:07 how to fix it myself so I fixed my patch file so it has a patch level 1. Aug 03 07:05:38 good morning all Aug 03 07:11:55 morning koen and all Aug 03 07:35:49 hmm.. how can I see the history of a file? initscripts-1.0/mountall.sh for example. 'mtn log ./mountall.sh' seems to give the log for the whole repo.. Aug 03 07:36:23 wrobbie: that's a bug in monotone, please add it to their bugtracker Aug 03 07:36:53 koen: it's a known bug? Aug 03 07:37:20 we discovered it yesterday, but I don't think anyone has filed a bug about it Aug 03 07:37:48 oh.. coincidence :) can I use viewmtn for this sort of thing? Aug 03 07:37:59 (history) Aug 03 07:40:07 dunno Aug 03 07:40:23 I search the rss feed of the commits with my newsreader Aug 03 07:41:30 hiya, I want to set variables in my image.bb file that should be used in the kernel bb file so some patches get applied or not - is that possible? Aug 03 07:41:51 or should i go for the machine.conf file instead? Aug 03 07:43:22 koobla: why not make the patches machinespecific in the kernel.bb? Aug 03 07:43:54 well, its not _only_ patches - i want to configure the whole software needed as well :) Aug 03 07:44:09 so daemons, apps, etc. Aug 03 07:44:28 i would want kernel features enabled depending on other software installed, basically Aug 03 07:44:55 and pop out a descriptor file telling me which hardware I have to plug into the device :) Aug 03 07:45:11 Ah, known bug indeed.. https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=16925 Aug 03 07:45:52 I will go for bashing up a conf file, I think Aug 03 07:48:25 mornng Aug 03 07:56:44 hey XorA Aug 03 07:57:17 bloody power cut has cooked me server room :-) Aug 03 08:05:05 hey .. how could i inplement a buildversion number which is generated at compile time which gives me the date when it was compiled ? Aug 03 08:05:23 ~lart kvm manufacturers for being morons Aug 03 08:05:24 * ibot shoves a crumpet down kvm manufacturers's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? for being morons Aug 03 08:11:29 morning all Aug 03 08:11:34 hey hrw|work Aug 03 08:17:32 rob_w: inside a program? Aug 03 08:17:52 rob_w: kbdd does that with -DVERSION = "something" Aug 03 08:27:16 koen|away: I wonder when you will get working Backspace/Delete keys in mailer.. Aug 03 08:27:44 hrw|work: apples don't have a delete key :) Aug 03 08:27:53 and my backspace has an annoyance detector Aug 03 08:28:01 it doesn't work if I'm annoyed Aug 03 08:28:33 one day I will write filter which will add authors to blacklist if quote is >XX% of mail Aug 03 08:29:01 koen, kbdd ?? Aug 03 08:29:17 rob_w: packages/kbdd/ Aug 03 08:29:27 a example ,, right thanks Aug 03 08:50:20 Who of you helped me in the last time? I want to write the namens of the people who supported me in my documentation and don't want to forget somebody Aug 03 08:52:33 Does somebody know who was the founder of OpenZaurus? Aug 03 08:52:44 kergoth: aka Chris Larson Aug 03 08:52:46 kergoth Aug 03 08:53:20 okay Aug 03 08:53:20 kergoth created OZ, then some devs maintained it, then mickeyl took leadership Aug 03 08:53:46 then I took many OZ work Aug 03 08:54:54 Okay Aug 03 08:56:19 @hrw, koen: Is it okay that I write your names in my documentation? Aug 03 08:56:31 morning Aug 03 08:57:04 Cobelius: feel free Aug 03 08:58:00 Cobelius: sure Aug 03 08:58:05 hey sirfred & mikearthur Aug 03 08:58:08 hey mallum Aug 03 08:58:23 hey koen Aug 03 08:58:40 sadly, on .oz354 for the tosa, I'm getting the same problem as last time, it can't find /etc/passwd Aug 03 08:58:45 did a full rebuild Aug 03 08:58:58 Cobelius: you use name/surname or some extra? nick/www/email? Aug 03 08:59:21 hey koen Aug 03 08:59:55 hrw|work: being the oz guru, you got any ideas why I'd get this on do_rootfs of gpe-image? Aug 03 09:00:09 hrw|work: /home/mike/oe/tosa/tmp/openzaurus/work/gpe-image-1.0-r22/temp/run.do_rootfs.28457: line 159: /home/mike/oe/tosa/tmp/openzaurus/rootfs/etc/passwd: No such file or directory Aug 03 09:00:32 mikearthur: no idea Aug 03 09:00:45 hrw|work: it seems base-passwd doesn't get installed via task-bootstrap Aug 03 09:00:46 mikearthur: I will start new build so will know it tomorrow Aug 03 09:00:51 cool, cheers Aug 03 09:00:58 koen: fsck Aug 03 09:01:18 hrw|work: and you'll only notice that error with a gpe-image Aug 03 09:01:37 with opie you will notice after flashing Aug 03 09:01:49 Depends: base-files, base-passwd Aug 03 09:02:06 I *used* to have that problem a lot Aug 03 09:02:13 ko Aug 03 09:02:17 koen: how did you resolve it? Aug 03 09:02:19 but it suddenly went away Aug 03 09:02:25 mikearthur: I have no idea Aug 03 09:02:32 I last saw it >1 years ago Aug 03 09:02:55 :( Aug 03 09:03:21 mikearthur: could you have a look at the task-bootstrap .ipk in deploy? Aug 03 09:03:22 03zecke123 * r559 10bitbake_qa/ (. bin/bittest lib/bittest/testreport_tinder.py): Aug 03 09:03:22 r494@holger-freythers-computer: ich | 2006-07-31 15:21:24 +0200 Aug 03 09:03:22 bitbake_qa/bin/bittest: Make it run by using the right variables/types Aug 03 09:03:22 r495@holger-freythers-computer: ich | 2006-07-31 15:22:04 +0200 Aug 03 09:03:22 bitbake_qa/lib/bittest/testreport_tinder.py: Make it work by creating the TMPDIR, sending the right stuff to the box Aug 03 09:03:41 hrw|work: you'll want the updated ipkg-utils from .dev in oz Aug 03 09:03:53 hrw|work: *much* faster feed index generation Aug 03 09:05:05 good to know Aug 03 09:05:20 koen: and I need to learn 'mtn pluck' usage Aug 03 09:05:40 currently all my tryings == no results or 'too many conflicts' Aug 03 09:05:59 koen: how can I open .ipk files? Aug 03 09:06:20 hrw|work: http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=5da015f7fffc310af490dfbd0f5eb4a33ea9b918 and http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=3b9b571fcf2e69f35b67ea4d0a90a8b2f174d8e5 Aug 03 09:06:40 mikearthur: ar x foo.ipk -> tar zxvf control.tar.gz Aug 03 09:06:49 mikearthur: they are .debs in disguise Aug 03 09:06:57 ah k Aug 03 09:10:21 koen: bass-passwd has a default passwd file in /usr/share, bass-files has a bunch of relevent files but no passwd, taskbootstrap has no files Aug 03 09:13:00 mikearthur: the postinst of base-passwd takes care of that Aug 03 09:13:09 if [ ! -e $D/etc/passwd ] ; then Aug 03 09:13:10 cp $D/usr/share/base-passwd/passwd.master $D/etc/passwd Aug 03 09:23:03 re Aug 03 09:29:31 gah Aug 03 09:29:41 Xshm is broken in the new kdrive Aug 03 09:30:52 good morning Aug 03 09:31:45 <_law_> hi flatronf701C Aug 03 09:31:51 <_law_> hi florian_kc Aug 03 09:35:56 hi _law_ Aug 03 09:36:13 grrr Aug 03 09:36:18 kdrive is indeed busted Aug 03 09:36:29 * koen tries to compile xserver-xorg Aug 03 09:36:57 ~cheer koen Aug 03 09:36:58 * ibot cheers koen on Aug 03 09:37:14 koen: Im running git Xephyr and it seems fine Aug 03 09:38:03 mallum: xfbdev on arm is busted Aug 03 09:38:17 mallum: app crash, get wrong colours, etc Aug 03 09:38:35 and the same apps work if I point $DISPLAY to my powerbook Aug 03 09:38:45 koen: same experience here Aug 03 09:39:10 * florian_kc thinks koen needs more flash Aug 03 09:39:35 the gentoo on Z guys said xserver-xorg was running ncely for them Aug 03 09:39:48 florian_kc: /dev/mtdblock2 76.8M 60.7M 16.0M 79% / Aug 03 09:40:00 florian_kc: the xserver is not that much bigger Aug 03 09:40:12 koen: what configure flags are you building with ? Aug 03 09:40:48 koen: should task-bootstrap have an /etc/passwd? Aug 03 09:41:02 mikearthur: no - it should depend on base-passwd Aug 03 09:41:26 where should the /etc/passwd be? base-files? Aug 03 09:42:05 base-passwd Aug 03 09:42:34 my base-passwd tar just seems to have the password files in /usr/share, but nothing in /etc/ Aug 03 09:42:59 mikearthur: check the postinst Aug 03 09:43:12 the postinst logs? Aug 03 09:43:21 no, the postinst itself :) Aug 03 09:43:34 I looked at it, and its seems to be there Aug 03 09:43:44 well, its in do_install Aug 03 09:43:48 but when does that get called? Aug 03 09:44:24 mallum: let me try xserver-kdrive-X11R7.1-1.1.0 Aug 03 09:45:38 re Aug 03 09:46:03 now I should not be so often reconnected to ircnets Aug 03 10:01:39 koen: does do_install occur on the gpe-image or at the end of the base-passwd? Aug 03 10:03:34 koen: hmm... i don't see anything except of the cursor in the new nbp image - is this the same effect you see? Aug 03 10:08:32 florian_kc: that's gpe-login crashing Aug 03 10:08:44 the kdrive bug I was talking about earlier Aug 03 10:09:07 hrm nasty, gpe-login ran iirc Aug 03 10:09:58 koen: obviously not... it is still there, and the greeter runs... Aug 03 10:10:49 * florian_kc gets rid if the familiar-unstable build and builds OZ Aug 03 10:18:51 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r437eae22... 10/ (1 packages/xorg-proto/kbproto_X11R7.1-1.0.3.bb): kbproto: update to 1.0.3, needed for kdrive-git Aug 03 10:19:59 ERROR: Nothing provides dependency virtual/arm-linux-gcc Aug 03 10:20:01 argh Aug 03 10:25:48 hi Rene Aug 03 10:26:00 morning Aug 03 10:26:06 hey Marcin Aug 03 10:27:35 mallum: I think I fixed the xserver-xorg configure problem Aug 03 10:27:37 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0447d20d... 10/ (1 packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive_git.bb): xserver-kdrive git: fix PV Aug 03 10:27:43 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r904e8055... 10/ (1 packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_X11R7.1-1.1.0.bb): xserver-xorg R7.1: fix configure brokenness by telling the ents.def file isn't there Aug 03 10:30:59 koen: cool Aug 03 10:31:40 Packaged contents of xserver-kdrive-fbdev into /data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/deploy/ipk/xserver-kdrive-fbdev_1.1.0+git-r0_armv5te.ipk Aug 03 10:32:05 mallum: the fix was easy: putting on my o-hand shirt :) Aug 03 10:32:18 koen: how you will update xserver-kdrive-fbdev git? Aug 03 10:32:27 koen: :) ah rare 2nd issue too ;) Aug 03 10:32:34 1.1.0+git-r0 does not keep any info which ver it is Aug 03 10:35:38 good point Aug 03 10:37:36 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8b194be1... 10/ (1 packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive_git.bb): xserver-kdrive git: include SRCDATE in PV, even if it doesn't make sense for git trees Aug 03 10:38:00 mallum: NOTE: package xserver-xorg-X11R7.1-1.1.0-r0: task do_compile: started Aug 03 10:38:16 nice Aug 03 10:40:00 I could spend a whole summer cross referencing fixes in the OE tree Aug 03 10:40:21 no doubt Aug 03 10:41:57 koen: git use SRCDATE? Aug 03 10:42:16 hrw|work: could be Aug 03 10:42:42 hrw|work: it was the only thing I could apply to give info on the version Aug 03 10:42:58 ideally the git fetcher would export the rev Aug 03 10:44:09 "Extended Input Devices not yet supported. Impelement it at line 625 in kinput.c" Aug 03 10:44:11 cute Aug 03 10:44:52 yay! Aug 03 10:44:57 crashes are gone Aug 03 10:45:06 koen: with GIT? Aug 03 10:45:09 yes Aug 03 10:45:22 * XorA builds Aug 03 10:45:37 and xserver-xorg builds as well Aug 03 10:46:54 ERROR: dependency virtual/arm-linux-binutils (for gcc-cross) not satisfied Aug 03 10:46:54 wtf... Aug 03 10:47:40 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r33b6dfe5... 10/ (1 packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive_X11R7.1-1.1.0.bb): xserver-kdrive X11R7.1-1.1.0: disable non-compiling dmx Aug 03 10:54:36 koen: could you take a look at 0d0dcc009c37fcecc54e97eba35a6168bb1b18a4, that seems to cause #1275 Aug 03 10:54:40 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rd2493a3f... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2006.9.conf): angstrom-2006.9: prefer a kdrive that actually work :) Aug 03 10:55:59 Hi! Aug 03 10:56:08 florian_kc: No such revision 0d0dcc009c37fcecc54e97eba35a6168bb1b18a4 Aug 03 10:56:22 Isn't there process accounting utils package in OE? Aug 03 10:56:59 psokolovsky_: feel free to contribute one :) Aug 03 10:57:40 koen: Going to do that. Hacking on bootchart now, will submit patches soon. Aug 03 10:58:38 psokolovsky_: did you see http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/running-bootchart-on-a-zaurus ? Aug 03 10:58:54 koen: that's copied from the commit mail Aug 03 10:58:56 koen: Was my inspiration, thanks! ;-) Aug 03 10:59:26 florian_kc: the migration to .26 changed the revision numbers Aug 03 10:59:32 koen: Im puzzled, I thought you needed GIT kdrive to get working one? Aug 03 10:59:53 XorA: it build the non-X11R7 by default Aug 03 10:59:58 built* Aug 03 11:00:06 koen: extremely clever... i forwarded the mail Aug 03 11:01:17 koen: ahah, see Aug 03 11:01:36 florian_kc: I'm building libsoup from scratch to look at the problem Aug 03 11:02:49 koen: ok, many thanks... Aug 03 11:25:11 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rc4e63023... 10/ (1 packages/gnome/libsoup_2.2.93.bb): libsoup: fix #1275 Aug 03 11:33:41 koen|away: wicked working xserver now Aug 03 11:37:10 XorA: :) Aug 03 11:40:33 hey mickeyl Aug 03 11:40:53 mickeyl: if you copy the bits from angstrom*.conf you'll get a working X Aug 03 11:40:55 hey guys Aug 03 11:40:58 thanks Aug 03 11:43:14 <_law_> koen, thanks for fixing #1275 Aug 03 11:43:45 koen: I suppose that means I should move to an Angstrom image for my Z now Aug 03 11:44:18 XorA: most of the stuff is working pretty good Aug 03 11:52:44 koen: worth starting a beta set of images ready for 2006.9 ? Aug 03 11:53:34 ade|desk: I'm building a new set for http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/ Aug 03 11:58:41 NOTE: multiple providers are available (glibc, glibc-intermediate); Aug 03 11:58:41 NOTE: consider defining PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/i586-linux-libc-for-gcc Aug 03 11:58:41 NOTE: Aug 03 11:59:11 hmn Since I use a newer bitbake version and updated the OpenEmbedded stuff I get this message Aug 03 12:16:44 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r35adb381... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2006.9.conf): angstrom-2006.9: use a newer srcdate for gconf-dbus Aug 03 12:20:26 is someone using bitbake from gentoo portage ? Aug 03 12:20:50 i've same pb as http://pof.eslack.org/blog/2006/01/13/construir-imatge-linux-per-a-blueangel/ Aug 03 12:21:29 Genesis: bitbake atleast 1.4.2? Aug 03 12:22:39 yeap Aug 03 12:36:30 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r7b0846d2... 10/ (1 packages/xorg-app/rgb_X11R7.1-1.0.1.bb): rgb _X11R7.1-1.0.1: ship rgb.txt Aug 03 12:36:49 koen: sick of those rxvt messages :-) Aug 03 12:37:22 XorA: I fixed a typo in REPENDS so rgb now gets built :) Aug 03 12:38:31 and while I was watching it get built I noticed that it didn't ship rgb.txt Aug 03 12:44:03 * XorA so needs more NAND :-( Aug 03 12:44:07 or a 3200 Aug 03 12:45:26 psokolovsky_: 'mtn log file' just got fixed in monotone head Aug 03 12:45:35 XorA: good point Aug 03 12:45:49 XorA: I will boot tosa from sd in next week probably Aug 03 12:45:58 [15:06] CIA-1: Matt Johnston net.venge.monotone * r3eddb9f5f6ce8a7ca423a733cb908ceecb8c2cf3 / (6 files in 3 dirs): Aug 03 12:45:58 [15:06] CIA-1: 2006-08-03 Matt Johnston Aug 03 12:45:58 [15:06] CIA-1: * cmd_diff_log.cc: don't include revisions with deleted files Aug 03 12:45:59 [15:06] CIA-1: when doing "log FILE". Aug 03 12:46:31 koen: Good news, thanks! Will try to build out of repo if new release won't come out soon ;-) Aug 03 12:46:53 psokolovsky_: they are on a monthly release schedule, so it should be out in a week or 2 Aug 03 12:47:01 ok Aug 03 12:47:20 if not, prod njs :) Aug 03 13:11:02 hrw: I never had lasting success on root on SD :-( Aug 03 13:11:13 /cr Aug 03 13:11:31 XorA: I want to test native sdk - it is a bit hard with 64M flash Aug 03 13:11:33 XorA: I wonder if xfwm4 still crashes with the new kdrive Aug 03 13:11:48 hrw: chroot into a image on sd? Aug 03 13:12:02 or nfs Aug 03 13:12:17 koen: I used to have X11R7.1 version on Z I must have accidently reverted :-( Aug 03 13:14:24 XorA: at least we found out what the trouble was Aug 03 13:14:49 koen: yeah Aug 03 13:15:19 koen: well at least we know its had some bugfixes :-) Aug 03 13:15:25 :) Aug 03 13:15:43 now I just need to figure out how to use distcc with avahi Aug 03 13:15:55 koen: thats the option too Aug 03 13:17:39 hrw: when should base-passwd.do_install be run? Aug 03 13:18:03 mikearthur: when ipkg installs it into the rootfs Aug 03 13:18:03 mikearthur: on do_install() of base-passwd Aug 03 13:18:17 the postinsts that is Aug 03 13:18:32 doesn't seem to happen Aug 03 13:19:00 mikearthur: did you check the control file of the task-bootstrap ipkg? Aug 03 13:19:18 koen: its there, but what should I be looking for? Aug 03 13:19:29 the Depends: field Aug 03 13:19:33 ok Aug 03 13:20:52 koen: Depends: base-files, base-passwd Aug 03 13:20:58 hmm Aug 03 13:21:04 that should install base-passwd Aug 03 13:21:11 it's installed Aug 03 13:21:18 problem is, do_install doesn't seem to run Aug 03 13:21:21 what version ipkg-native do you have? Aug 03 13:21:37 koen: should that be run on gpe-image? Aug 03 13:24:14 koen: ipkg-native-0.99.154-r0 Aug 03 13:24:35 could you import the .163 from .dev? Aug 03 13:25:44 utils or just ipkg Aug 03 13:26:30 ipkg Aug 03 13:26:40 ok, building now Aug 03 13:28:27 then just try rebuilding task-bootstrap? Aug 03 13:28:55 yeah Aug 03 13:34:24 koen where did you get your ep93xx board from ? Aug 03 13:34:56 ade|desk: from [g2], who got it from glomation inc iirc Aug 03 13:35:08 hey lrg Aug 03 13:35:11 hey lrg Aug 03 13:35:58 hey XorA koen Aug 03 13:36:06 morning all Aug 03 13:36:07 koen: still doesn't seem to be running do_install Aug 03 13:36:08 at all Aug 03 13:36:17 as I added an echo in it Aug 03 13:36:22 mikearthur: you mean the postinst? Aug 03 13:36:32 no, I mean the do_install Aug 03 13:37:40 bitbake -b base-passwd.bb -c install -f Aug 03 13:40:38 hi lrg Aug 03 13:41:41 hi Liam Aug 03 13:44:51 koen: I did mean the postinst :) Aug 03 13:45:00 koen: I'm a muppet, sorry Aug 03 13:45:34 koen: when should postinst be run? Aug 03 13:45:46 on ipkg install Aug 03 13:46:31 koen: would that be in task_bootstrap or gpe-image? Aug 03 13:46:40 koen: or base-files Aug 03 13:46:51 mikearthur: -image Aug 03 13:46:57 koen: n1 Aug 03 13:47:14 XorA, hrw: xfwm4 works with the new kdrive Aug 03 13:52:29 koen: cool Aug 03 13:52:41 koen: plans for xfce-image? Aug 03 13:53:16 hrw: not really Aug 03 13:53:28 hrw: just curious if the crash was still there Aug 03 13:54:52 hrw: tell CoreDump|afk that xfwm works with the new kdrive ;) Aug 03 13:55:44 koen: we will tell that new kdrive is not in .oz354x so he will not touch it Aug 03 13:55:53 drat Aug 03 13:56:18 koen: it looks like gpe-image isn't doing the pkg_postinst for base-passwd Aug 03 13:56:45 mikearthur: not doing the postinst or not installing it at all? Aug 03 13:57:07 koen: I know that this situation (when many devs does not touch .dev but use .oz354x) suxx but atleast we (those devs) can work on stuff instead of fixing and fixing Aug 03 13:57:10 brb Aug 03 14:01:30 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r02dd63e8... 10/ (1 packages/xfwm4/xfwm4.inc): xfwm4.inc: RDEPEND on the default theme Aug 03 14:01:38 03koen 07org.oe.dev * reb2bcd61... 10/ (1 packages/xfwm4/xfwm4.inc): xfwm4.inc: sed out pointers to host includes Aug 03 14:01:43 there Aug 03 14:01:54 now it builds and installs correctly Aug 03 14:04:31 re Aug 03 14:04:46 hrw: 3.6.x will branch from .dev again? Aug 03 14:05:08 koen: there will be no 3.6.x rather Aug 03 14:05:47 koen: I want to keep 3.5.4.x line until angstrom will takeover 2.6 powered zaurii Aug 03 14:07:09 and drop each of them Aug 03 14:19:46 XorA: what was the PDA you had round here the other day? Aug 03 14:25:11 mikearthur: c7x0 Aug 03 14:27:50 finally glibc built all locales.. Aug 03 14:28:31 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/kdrive-crashes-resolved Aug 03 14:37:12 morning Aug 03 14:41:26 hey chouimat Aug 03 14:53:41 kergoth: feeds.openzaurus.org reminder.. Aug 03 15:04:02 bleh Aug 03 15:04:10 gnome-vfs-dbus doesn't work with a recent dbus Aug 03 15:04:49 koen: even the svn one? Aug 03 15:05:06 yesterdays svn bombs out Aug 03 15:05:11 how can I make bitbake output to the console, rather than a long file? Aug 03 15:05:15 gconf-dbus was fixes a while ago Aug 03 15:05:21 mikearthur: -D -D -D Aug 03 15:06:41 koen: cheers Aug 03 15:12:11 koen: ever thought about moving from modules-initscripts (modutils-cross) to module-init-tools initscript? one thing less to build for 2.6 powered stuff Aug 03 15:12:33 a+ Aug 03 15:12:46 hrw: yes, but I haven't found the time to do it Aug 03 15:13:54 all the packages for the Z are cross-compiled right? There's no little compile farm of Zaurii anywhere? Aug 03 15:14:10 summatusmentis: not that we know off Aug 03 15:14:20 koen: do you have an /etc/passwd in your base-passwd ipkg? Aug 03 15:14:28 so how does one set up the cross-compilation envrionment? Aug 03 15:14:30 mikearthur: nope Aug 03 15:14:44 http://www.hrw.one.pl/2006/08/03/private-support-emails/ Aug 03 15:14:57 too popular subject recently ;) Aug 03 15:14:58 summatusmentis: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted Aug 03 15:15:12 koen: where does it come from then, I'm tearing my hair out :( Aug 03 15:15:43 koen, thanks Aug 03 15:15:47 mikearthur: look that the postinst Aug 03 15:16:00 that copies it from /usr/share to /etc Aug 03 15:16:48 the post install doesn't seem to get run Aug 03 15:17:02 it does install the package? Aug 03 15:17:47 doesn't seem to Aug 03 15:18:37 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/20060803/tosa/ <- built this afternoon Aug 03 15:20:01 koen: build gpe or opie one so I can test them Aug 03 15:20:14 hrw: building gpe right now Aug 03 15:20:18 oka Aug 03 15:20:20 binary locale generation is turned ff by default now....? Aug 03 15:20:23 I'll leave the opie mess to mickey|bbl Aug 03 15:20:45 JustinP: depends - OZ in .oz354x has it on Aug 03 15:21:29 JustinP: which package has /usr/bin/enlightenment? Aug 03 15:21:47 (e-wm hasn't, I checked) Aug 03 15:22:52 koen: what package should run the postinst? gpe-image, right? The problem is, it seems to be not running the post install before running zap_root_passwd, which relies on there being a /etc/passwd Aug 03 15:23:54 mikearthur: ipkg runs the postinst after it installs it Aug 03 15:24:02 koen: .dev....oh well I guess, no problems for me Aug 03 15:24:04 mikearthur: and your problem is that ipkg does *not* install it Aug 03 15:24:20 koen: ummm....e-wm is the wm. It should have e. It certainly does in oz354x.... Aug 03 15:24:26 koen: what calls ipkg to install it, the gpe-image? Aug 03 15:25:04 JustinP: sounds like you need to fix it in .dev Aug 03 15:25:14 mikearthur: do_rootfs_ipk iirc Aug 03 15:26:14 JustinP: no e in http://angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/base/e-wm_0.16.999.027-r3_armv5te.ipk Aug 03 15:26:17 koen: damn it! chkhinge26 is just the same as switchevd. It waits for the hinge button and runs a command. It's not chkhinge ta all Aug 03 15:26:34 koen: what did the package output show? Aug 03 15:27:49 koen: I'll try to test e in .dev. I haven't build an image in .dev for a while, it always had some build problem or another Aug 03 15:27:52 JustinP: building it right now Aug 03 15:28:26 koen: tetsing emacs right now, though, so it will be a bit Aug 03 15:28:46 koen: let me know what your output shows and I'll see if I can fix it Aug 03 15:28:53 http://www.google.com/search?q=2.6+kernel+tosa ;D Aug 03 15:29:39 cu Aug 03 15:40:15 later all Aug 03 15:52:22 im still trying to get a successful build of a first useful package using .dev - has anyone gotten the latest busybox to build and work? Aug 03 15:55:53 lol Aug 03 15:55:55 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2347855073.html Aug 03 16:17:44 hi all Aug 03 16:35:04 What could be the reason that forces me to unplug/plug my husky to recover usb network after a suspend/resume cycle? Aug 03 16:35:45 I'm not able to tell who's guilty, my laptop or my husky. Aug 03 16:37:55 The problem is that I'm making a lot of tests over ssh, and must suspend/resume after any test. I'm a little afraid about the connector health with this plug/unplug rate. Aug 03 16:39:35 You could try and rmmod the usb net module on either side and see if that works like unpluggin/pluggin Aug 03 16:40:45 sirfred: you could always umplug the laptop end of things to save wear on the Z's connector :) Aug 03 16:41:07 also, you could try an ifdown/ifup cycle on the usb interface. Aug 03 16:41:33 hvontres|poodle: Yes, that's what I'm doing lately, but since it's located in the back side of the laptop,... Aug 03 16:41:47 hvontres|poodle: I tried that last thing, without luck. Aug 03 16:41:52 Which driver are you using? Aug 03 16:41:54 cinix: I'm going to try that. Thanks. Aug 03 16:42:03 hvontres|poodle: The husky module? Aug 03 16:42:17 usbnet or g-ether? Aug 03 16:42:23 hvontres|poodle: g_ether Aug 03 16:42:54 hey... I'm having a bit of trouble with the /var created by oe Aug 03 16:43:02 it should be a tmpfs right? Aug 03 16:43:13 but it does't appear to be Aug 03 16:44:36 hvontres|poodle: I didn't know about that 'usbnet'. But I tried modprobing it and is not creating a 'usb0' interface or something so. Isn't that the expected behaviour? Aug 03 16:45:28 If you weren't using usbnet I could have been mistaken about it being using for your network over usb Aug 03 16:45:46 Well, I see it's used at the host side. Aug 03 16:46:11 Perhaps it's only valid from a USB Host perpective. Aug 03 16:49:36 sirfred: Have you already read http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18471&hl=ohci-apm-hack&st=90 Aug 03 16:49:36 specifically the ohci unload script? Aug 03 16:49:47 I've tried in both sides, host(remove cdc-subset, usbnet), husky(remove g_ether), without luck. Aug 03 16:49:54 Kerwood: Let me see... Aug 03 16:51:25 sirfred: also, I think this discussion might belong in #openzaurus... Aug 03 16:55:46 Kerwood: Thanks for your help, anyway. Aug 03 16:56:05 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r31d357b0... 10/ (1 packages/python/python-pyxml_0.8.4.bb): python-pyxml 0.8.4 remove bogus PV override Aug 03 17:02:54 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r1a66dacb... 10/ (1 packages/python/python-2.4.3-manifest.inc): python 2.4.3 manifest fixes. closes #1268 and #1269 Aug 03 17:08:53 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r78be4a05... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): preferred-gpe-versions 2.[67] diet-x11 6.2.1 needs setting PREFERRED_PROVIDER_xextensions = "xextensions" as well Aug 03 17:09:03 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r4f6aa1b2... 10/ (1 conf/distro/generic.conf): generic.conf: require preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc Aug 03 17:09:35 yo zecke Aug 03 17:12:37 hey Aug 03 17:12:51 mickeyl: did you see my lnk from yesterday? Aug 03 17:14:13 zecke: the TT corporate stuff? Aug 03 17:15:00 yes Aug 03 17:15:05 zecke: yeah. that's kind of funny. *cough* Aug 03 17:15:25 mickeyl: it is true for the development of Qt :} Aug 03 17:15:29 absolutely Aug 03 17:15:40 mickeyl: so this page is just outdated Aug 03 17:19:11 mickeyl: how are you progressing? Aug 03 17:20:39 zecke: fairly well. had an important meeting with my advisor on monday. he read the release candidate and although finding lots of details he wants me to change, there's nothing substantial left. if all goes well, I'll submit in the first week of September. Aug 03 17:21:35 yeah Aug 03 17:21:55 :) Aug 03 17:22:17 mickeyl: and then you can reimplement qtopia :) Aug 03 17:22:20 no kidding. i was very reliefed after that meeting. Aug 03 17:22:45 yeah right :D Aug 03 17:23:37 What's the license state of qtopia? Isn't TT going to GPL it? Aug 03 17:24:09 sirfred: hehe Aug 03 17:24:11 yes Aug 03 17:24:12 "soon" Aug 03 17:24:14 *cough* Aug 03 17:24:28 like M$ is releasing old dos versions... Aug 03 17:24:34 Hm. Aug 03 17:24:40 It's not going to happen. Aug 03 17:24:57 even if it will... it'll be pretty obsolete then. the world is moving on Aug 03 17:25:37 currently the best thing is: avoid fragmentation and use gtk+ Aug 03 17:26:04 Left opie? Aug 03 17:26:36 oh well, I don't think Qt2 is the future :) Aug 03 17:27:06 sirfred: and Opie is compatible to Qtopia by social contract Aug 03 17:27:58 Mobile Linux == Gtk+ is currently the best equation Aug 03 17:28:12 zecke: I don't have any problem with gtk+. The only needed thing is a good set of PIM applications, well integrated, able to sync with a desktop. Aug 03 17:28:40 sirfred: the evolution stuff o-hand is doing looks interesting Aug 03 17:29:10 zecke: Where can I find any screenshot or something? Aug 03 17:29:36 mickeyl: Forget about the accel patches I sent you. Aug 03 17:30:08 mickeyl: Interaction with the patched w100 framebuffer driver is a problem. Aug 03 17:30:49 sirfred: http://chrislord.net/ Aug 03 17:32:05 zecke: But isn't evolution a first grade memory eater. Is it able to run confortably on a zaurus? Aug 03 17:32:07 sirfred: the only thing that makes me sad is. I really love Qt and TT for creating Qt Aug 03 17:32:32 sirfred: well, what of evolution is the 'bitch' Aug 03 17:32:49 sirfred: e.g. look at tinymail Aug 03 17:33:14 sirfred: I do not know the memory footprint of the current stuff, but I think it will be reasonable Aug 03 17:33:29 sirfred: as only evolution data server is used Aug 03 17:33:35 sirfred: and a custom gui is implemented Aug 03 17:33:42 sirfred: bummer. what can we do ? Aug 03 17:33:47 The screenshots are great. Aug 03 17:34:25 sirfred: I think doing a poky build will give you a matchbox image containing dates+contact Aug 03 17:35:12 mickeyl: Well, the problem is that the fb driver doesn't care about setting some registers before trying to perform a screen copy. Aug 03 17:35:37 mickeyl: So, since the qte accel driver is changing those registers, after running opie, fb scroll gets broken. Aug 03 17:35:53 Evolution, Sync, Telepathy, GStreamer a lot of fun stuff is happening in the G world Aug 03 17:36:27 zecke: drive us to that promised world Aug 03 17:36:56 mickeyl: I'm working in a new driver, anyway. Just a reference library not related with opie or x. Aug 03 17:37:08 ok, cool Aug 03 17:37:48 mickeyl: The goal is to implement everything without copying the libaticore, just using the knowledge gained from the reverse engineering. Aug 03 17:37:57 It also doesn't need the microcode. Aug 03 17:38:51 mickeyl: At this stage, all the acceleration provided by the qte driver, is available in this new library, without any need to link aticore. Aug 03 17:44:23 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * rb3e86370... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): emacs: Add dated CVS emacs version, make default emacs not use x11, add emacs-x11 Aug 03 17:54:16 Hi! I bitbaked gpe-image for spitz, and everything went fine, but upon booting the image, I get "INIT: cannot execute "/sbin/getty"" looping until a "INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes"... What could I have done wrong (maybe everything ;)) ? Aug 03 17:54:59 ins0mniaque: which branch? Aug 03 17:55:06 openzaurus-unstable Aug 03 17:56:08 org.openembedded.dev Aug 03 17:57:15 it might not be your fault :} Aug 03 17:57:27 I don't know if someone tried images lately :} Aug 03 17:58:15 I would gladly help find the problem, but since I cannot boot, I have no idea where to start looking... Aug 03 17:59:07 ins0mniaque: why not use oz354x? Aug 03 17:59:12 ins0mniaque: you could inspect the rootfs Aug 03 17:59:28 ins0mniaque: you have a rootfs copy on your host Aug 03 17:59:57 JustinP: because I wanted to try :P Aug 03 18:00:08 zecke: yes I have a copy Aug 03 18:02:03 ins0mniaque: check if you have /sbin/getty Aug 03 18:02:32 zecke: but I'm having trouble mounting the image Aug 03 18:05:42 zecke: I have to work now, but thank you with your help, will try to mount it and check this out. Aug 03 18:10:44 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rf14e3581... 10/ (1 conf/distro/generic.conf): generic.conf: require preferred-x-versions-pre-X11R7.inc Aug 03 18:21:09 ins0mniaque|work: try untarring the .tar.bz2 instead Aug 03 18:22:27 wow....I'm behind on e17 updates Aug 03 18:22:40 27 => 32 Aug 03 18:22:45 * JustinP attempts a test build Aug 03 18:32:38 woglinde: may I ask you something about the .config you gave me? Aug 03 18:36:03 mr_nice yes Aug 03 18:36:10 if I remember Aug 03 18:36:57 ist it the one which you used to compile the Kernel image you gave me? Aug 03 18:37:09 mr_nice yes Aug 03 18:37:14 think so Aug 03 18:37:26 :/ Aug 03 18:39:09 why? Aug 03 18:39:14 are there differences? Aug 03 18:39:22 I have some trouble to compile the kernel. with the simpad_defconfig everything compiles well but the image is to big and unusable with the one you gave me I run into a error on LD .tmp_vmlinux1 Aug 03 18:39:33 hum Aug 03 18:39:39 hm oh Aug 03 18:39:49 but you have zeckes tree? Aug 03 18:40:20 yes - I also checked with vanilla - exactly the same result Aug 03 18:40:30 hum Aug 03 18:40:34 which gcc? Aug 03 18:40:42 4.1.1 Aug 03 18:40:50 arm-elf Aug 03 18:40:59 hm I only used gcc 4.0 I guess Aug 03 18:41:36 i will try with 4.0 Aug 03 18:42:20 I have solved my chicken/egg problem with the help of some nice elfs ;) Aug 03 18:43:18 thx Aug 03 18:43:42 mr_nice_slacker: what a treat Aug 03 18:43:48 finding YOU here! Aug 03 18:44:17 hi x29a Aug 03 18:44:17 mr_nice_slacker: i bricked my simpad Aug 03 18:44:20 big bummer! Aug 03 18:44:22 oh no! Aug 03 18:44:26 well, actually it did it itself Aug 03 18:44:34 jtag it? Aug 03 18:44:35 performed a proper shutdown at work Aug 03 18:44:57 wanted to boot back up, serial just brings a couple of chars and numbers and than a lot of "s" Aug 03 18:45:13 try to change your speed Aug 03 18:45:24 which loader do you have? Aug 03 18:45:26 well, i guess i have to, but i always wanted to get around jtag, since i totally bricked my jornada568 before already Aug 03 18:45:28 hh Aug 03 18:45:32 with opie Aug 03 18:45:37 if have 115k Aug 03 18:46:05 but i dont get why it should get corrupt from one second to the other Aug 03 18:46:38 that chars and nubers thing is normaly a sign of the wrong speed Aug 03 18:48:01 no the chars an numbers are fine (remember the 7char long stuff which comes at the very beginning of bootup?) Aug 03 18:48:07 where u normally press escape or what Aug 03 18:48:14 like the first 20ms of bootup Aug 03 18:48:20 but after that, only ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss Aug 03 18:48:26 literally Aug 03 18:48:39 hm Aug 03 18:49:02 well i have no guess about that Aug 03 18:49:18 but jtag nerver hurts ;) Aug 03 18:49:36 yes Aug 03 18:49:42 it actually did hurt Aug 03 18:49:46 still hurting Aug 03 18:49:48 poor jornada Aug 03 18:50:04 did you kill it by jtaging it? Aug 03 18:50:28 by soldering to the jtagpins a couple went off the board Aug 03 18:50:32 impossible to fix Aug 03 18:50:49 chicken tried to find some different contancs, without luck Aug 03 18:52:07 the simpad pins are not that hard to solder. i had only a bit fear about that hot soldering hints from walter but with luck it went all good for me Aug 03 18:53:14 i guess i dont have luck Aug 03 18:53:28 so u put in contacts for later use? Aug 03 18:53:36 or soldered the wires directly to the board? Aug 03 18:53:44 contacts Aug 03 18:53:54 but wires are also possible Aug 03 18:54:23 but with contacts you are without fear on flashing loader stuff - hehe Aug 03 18:55:11 you use debian? Aug 03 18:55:48 hmm I should aks for donations again :} Aug 03 18:57:27 zecke: if i get enought money with ebay i will think about it ;) - if i will ever get some donations over opensimpad.org i will also remind you Aug 03 18:57:59 mr_nice_slacker: yeah, debian Aug 03 18:58:35 btw i found the "cut off battery"-button Aug 03 18:58:37 nice! Aug 03 18:58:47 could you please check if the debian jtag tools (0.5 i think) do the work for simpad flashing? Aug 03 18:59:00 did it solve the problem? Aug 03 18:59:04 no Aug 03 18:59:10 but it turns off the display Aug 03 18:59:15 since the simpad itself wont Aug 03 18:59:31 mr_nice_slacker: maybe i get around jtagging this weekend Aug 03 18:59:32 I have read about that it will help on "white displays" Aug 03 18:59:47 if so, ill check out different software and write on osim Aug 03 18:59:55 yeah it does Aug 03 18:59:58 else you can check the slackware packages i have created Aug 03 19:00:13 for jtagging? Aug 03 19:00:21 yes Aug 03 19:00:30 ill get into stuff this we, maybe also windows Aug 03 19:00:37 always good to try different stuff Aug 03 19:00:38 hi folks Aug 03 19:00:52 at least i have a parallel-plug already *grin* Aug 03 19:00:53 jtag tools 0.4 - the ones walter recommanded Aug 03 19:01:19 did you solder the resistors on jtag or on subd side? Aug 03 19:01:21 sirfred have you tried kdepimpi fpr pim (on opie)? i find it very useful Aug 03 19:01:33 s/fpr/for/ Aug 03 19:02:10 mr_nice_slacker: with the jornadacable you mean?parallelportside Aug 03 19:02:28 zecke, you were asking about apple migration tool a while back - i used it a couple months ago and it was a breeze Aug 03 19:02:43 poushag: my macbook crashed Aug 03 19:02:49 poushag: I went back to use rsync Aug 03 19:02:55 mr_nice_slacker: what about openwince-jtag? Aug 03 19:03:07 x29a: that are the jtag-tools Aug 03 19:03:39 its in apt Aug 03 19:04:16 x29a: yes version 0.5 or so? Aug 03 19:04:20 what happened zecke? ive always been able to reboot mac the few times it had a kernel burp Aug 03 19:04:37 poushag: well, it rebooted in the middle of the copying Aug 03 19:04:39 x29a: would be nice if someone would test that version Aug 03 19:04:52 poushag: and as I thought it would reboot again, I decided not to bother Aug 03 19:05:01 mr_nice_slacker: dunno which version. is it better to build the tools myself? Aug 03 19:05:31 mr_nice_slacker: yeah, can do....pretty much nothin can f*ck up jtag support or? Aug 03 19:05:47 x29a: only a wrong cable Aug 03 19:05:59 wah Aug 03 19:06:00 x29a: or a really destroyed simpad Aug 03 19:06:04 hehe Aug 03 19:06:37 zecke, sounds odd - but oh well - sounds like youve moved past it - i want to get an intel mac but so far no $ for it - when i do, a lot of my old apps wont make the transition (being ppc) Aug 03 19:07:48 poushag: well rosetta should do just fine Aug 03 19:08:15 mr_nice_slacker: i planned on going to university this fall Aug 03 19:08:25 mr_nice_slacker: just now my simpad stops working Aug 03 19:08:39 i hate it when that happens Aug 03 19:09:04 zecke, yeah i know about rosetta - but im not planning to use it for the same reason i never used classic - just not worth the trouble - will find new apps instead Aug 03 19:09:17 x29a: hopefully you bring it back to life so there is someone which fills the wiki ;) Aug 03 19:09:42 yeah, since my second one is goin off to ebay Aug 03 19:09:43 poushag: oh well Aug 03 19:09:53 poushag: rosetta is like binfmt on linux Aug 03 19:10:12 * zecke just bought parallels Aug 03 19:11:02 poushag is still unhappy that theres no decent ppc emulator for macosx ppc macs Aug 03 19:11:25 x29a: i had only good experiences with jtag. but it is really strange that it gave up his service so suddenly. Aug 03 19:11:26 poushag: http://rafb.net/paste/results/nomo2w49.html Aug 03 19:11:56 mr_nice_slacker: yeah, i dont get it either Aug 03 19:12:05 just right out of the middle of the nowhere Aug 03 19:13:17 x29a: a advantage of jtag is that you can check some parts of your hardware with it. unfortunate not that much things are integrated in jtag tools but it is verry usefull. Aug 03 19:13:46 i dont wonna check i want it to work and develope software Aug 03 19:13:48 honestly Aug 03 19:13:56 but as said, ill get into it this we Aug 03 19:14:57 x29a: yes do so Aug 03 19:15:15 shit, i cant believe it Aug 03 19:15:35 i was so happy with rc3, and the sl4 in total, i need a productivity system Aug 03 19:15:41 BÄNG Aug 03 19:17:15 x29a: i found some nice chips - Philips created a cheap serial bluetooth and serial wlan module - they cooperate so you need only a few gpios and you will have wlan and bluetooth over serial ;) Aug 03 19:17:44 x29a: bluetoot about 9 Euro wlan about 20 Euro Aug 03 19:17:53 wow great Aug 03 19:18:05 pm me the links on icq or oesf or so Aug 03 19:18:23 id be with you building bt/wlan support right into there (while im at it) Aug 03 19:19:54 x29a: would be cool to bring out a module with which you can easily replace the dect one Aug 03 19:20:08 x29a: we could sell it on ebay Aug 03 19:20:11 you have a slc? Aug 03 19:20:18 mr_nice_slacker: function > money Aug 03 19:20:24 i dont do stuff for money, but for usage Aug 03 19:20:32 but indeed, if we make a good concept Aug 03 19:20:33 x29a: no sl4 but i have a dect module from a t-sinus pad Aug 03 19:20:44 is it any good? Aug 03 19:21:13 x29a: well i don't use it ;) Aug 03 19:21:37 x29a: i even don't know it there are drivers for it Aug 03 19:22:24 as with smartcard Aug 03 19:22:36 my dream would be a working bt-keyboard under familiar Aug 03 19:22:43 therefore im really into modding Aug 03 19:22:48 x29a: well.. smartcard would be verry nice Aug 03 19:22:55 indeed Aug 03 19:24:00 x29a: on pollin.de you can grabb you a cheap pcmcia and serial to bluetooth converter for about 20 Euro - but it isn't the same i think Aug 03 19:24:20 well im off to bed, work tomorrow,contact me on further infos Aug 03 19:24:24 mr_nice_slacker: what? Aug 03 19:24:27 serial to bt? Aug 03 19:24:30 x29a: jepp Aug 03 19:24:54 x29a: serial and parport to bluetooth + pcmica bluetooth card Aug 03 19:25:41 x29a: the card i had and it worked out of the box - now a friend of mine have it. Aug 03 19:25:43 i dont get it, too tired Aug 03 19:25:53 x29a: see you Aug 03 19:25:59 i have a pcmcia to cf adapter Aug 03 19:26:04 and a belkin cf bt Aug 03 19:26:14 so in principal id have bt support Aug 03 19:26:21 x29a: ah ok Aug 03 19:26:38 x29a: the bluetooth keboards are really expansive I think Aug 03 19:26:45 but i think its lackin drivers and configuration (and i dunno if HMI devices such as the keyboard are detected properly) Aug 03 19:26:53 i dont even know if HMI is the right word Aug 03 19:27:04 mr_nice_slacker: i already have one, thats the thing Aug 03 19:27:21 x29a: you lucky guy Aug 03 19:27:27 indeed Aug 03 19:28:24 nice part of hardware, shitty support Aug 03 19:28:33 x29a: the bluetooth card shulb be create a serial port which you can use with kbdd ? i don't really know. But i remember to read something like that Aug 03 19:28:52 http://freedominput.com/style/freedom-mini.htm Aug 03 19:28:55 thats my buddy Aug 03 19:29:44 mr_nice_slacker: k, ill get into that, so you provide me with further module-infos (oesf pm would be awesome),ill check out jtag this we, and if i have a working sl4 again the bluetoothkeyb Aug 03 19:29:56 but now, bed Aug 03 19:30:08 x29a: yes - see you Aug 03 19:30:17 bye Aug 03 19:30:34 zecke, mr_nice, etc: im quite new at this oe stuff - i want to get the latest busybox built from .dev to use on my collie - what do i have to change in config to build it? Aug 03 19:33:45 poushag: sorry - i am only a user and don't know that much about oe :/ Aug 03 19:34:06 poushag: bitbake busybox Aug 03 19:35:20 zecke, last i looked busybox ver was only 1.0 - is 1.2 in there now? Aug 03 19:35:36 i havenet updated in a few days Aug 03 19:35:45 *haven't Aug 03 19:35:58 poushag: I remember that koen has tossed the word busybox1.2 recently Aug 03 19:36:47 i thought i saw that too, zecke - thats why im asking now - will upate and take a look at 'bitbake -s' Aug 03 19:56:31 * Harvy is away: #cd /pub && more beer Aug 03 19:56:50 zecke: I was looking a little at these Dates, Contact and rest of stuff at openhand, it looks really promising. Aug 03 19:58:38 sirfred: yes. And together with a progressing OpenSync.org Aug 03 19:58:45 zecke: I've also seen that there are bb files for dates and contacts at oe. Aug 03 19:58:54 sirfred: we might have decent PIM with the possibility of Exchange support... Aug 03 19:59:22 Cwiiis: is the dates/contacts in poky more recent than the one in OE? Aug 03 20:01:24 What's the best way to try it on my c760? Install an gpe-image, or perhaps a bootstrap one? Aug 03 20:04:04 * JustinP hmmmmms Aug 03 20:04:46 sirfred: try a poky build Aug 03 20:04:59 zecke: What's that, another distro? Aug 03 20:05:01 sirfred: but well, use OE later then Aug 03 20:05:14 ~poky Aug 03 20:05:16 [poky] http://projects.o-hand.com/poky, or a subset of OpenEmbedded, created by o-hand.com to testdrive some of their technology Aug 03 20:05:26 Let's see... Aug 03 20:08:20 zecke: I'm low of harddisk space. Aren't there any prebuilt images? Aug 03 20:08:47 bbl Aug 03 20:16:41 sirfred: oh well... Aug 03 20:16:47 sirfred: we are all short of disk space Aug 03 20:16:55 hi Aug 03 20:16:59 hrw: hey! Aug 03 20:17:09 * JustinP wants another 150GB HD Aug 03 20:17:09 disk space? I do not know such sentence even Aug 03 20:17:41 I want stable devbox Aug 03 20:18:38 current research result is ~300-400EUR for it Aug 03 20:21:59 hi hrw, saw you cursing kdepim a while back - have you made any progress with it at all? and in particular the email portion? Aug 03 20:23:35 poushag: nope Aug 03 20:23:43 * hrw got job offer from Google Aug 03 20:24:08 hrw, whats the main problem with kdepim? Aug 03 20:24:35 poushag: 1. shitty imap support in kmail Aug 03 20:24:52 2. lack of daemon for accesing PIM data Aug 03 20:25:09 hrw: wow, now I'm the only one without an offer from google Aug 03 20:25:16 1 == sync ALL folders each time or manually check folders... Aug 03 20:25:22 hrw, what did they offer? Aug 03 20:25:29 2 == run kmail just to get kopete working Aug 03 20:25:41 Crofton: sysadmin or senior software engineer Aug 03 20:25:46 cool Aug 03 20:25:50 or? Aug 03 20:25:58 * Crofton hasn't had an offer from them either Aug 03 20:26:06 Crofton: we must suck Aug 03 20:26:17 Senior Software Engineer, Google.com Aug 03 20:26:23 Unix System & Applications Administrator, Google.com Aug 03 20:26:24 of course, I can't reconfigure my xserver from the command line at the momemtn Aug 03 20:28:05 hrw, i wasnt aware that kdepim required a daemon - are we talking daemon for Z or for workstation sync? Aug 03 20:28:37 poushag: I use 'imap over kmail' method to access my pim data on few machines Aug 03 20:29:01 poushag: kopete use kaddressbook data so it use 'imap over kmail' so it run kmail.... Aug 03 20:29:01 zecke: We might be using a more recent SRCDATE, but I don't think the packaging has changed Aug 03 20:29:34 poushag: so I cannot have session stored with kontact and kopete because kopete start first and run kmail... which I must quit to get it inside of kontact Aug 03 20:29:55 poushag: not to mention fact that korganizer with 4 icals spend most of time hung Aug 03 20:30:00 hrw, ok - im using webdav to server ics files (in ical format) - planning to try that with kopi - any experience with it? Aug 03 20:30:52 that is with kopi as client that can upload changes to server Aug 03 20:31:13 poushag: I lack webdav Aug 03 20:32:25 it sounds like you have mac-osx - its very easy to set up - i did it following an article online Aug 03 20:32:41 poushag: I use debian Aug 03 20:33:02 oh sry - must be koen i was thinking of re osx Aug 03 20:33:27 well i think you just need the module and tweak the apache config file a bit Aug 03 20:33:51 CoreDump|afk, RP: can someone of you look at poodle kernel patches and decide which one are correct? (.dev != .oz354x) Aug 03 20:34:06 poushag: I do not have control over apache on this hosting Aug 03 20:34:27 poushag: I saw php implementations of minimal webdav support anyway Aug 03 20:36:01 hrw pheee php Aug 03 20:37:10 hrw, it sounds like kdepim would stillbe useful to me - i only plan to send outgoing email with it - does it actually build ok? Aug 03 20:37:40 because i havent been able to get it to finish compiling Aug 03 20:37:50 poushag: I complain about kdepim on desktop not from OE (as OE does not have kde at all) Aug 03 20:39:01 hrw, there is a kdepimpi package in oe - i thought you were working on that one - too bad - i need it for sending email from my Z with smtp password auth Aug 03 20:39:23 poushag: kdepimpi/OE does not contain mail client Aug 03 20:40:55 as i understand it, hrw, the mail client part was disabled - but since nobody is fixing libetpan i thought i could edit the bb file or something to build ompi (aka kmail) - can you tell me anything to help? Aug 03 20:41:19 zecke, Crofton: I guess I suck too then Aug 03 20:41:20 ompi is not based on kmail Aug 03 20:41:29 ompi is ugly hacked opiemail Aug 03 20:42:13 but ompi works for sending email with smtp password auth - so its a good hack for my purposes - and my only choice apparently right now Aug 03 20:42:55 poushag: you can also extract proper part and implement it in opie-mail Aug 03 20:43:17 btw - I will be happy if someone will takeover kdepimpi maintaince Aug 03 20:43:22 hrw, please can you help guide me to do that? i will be happy to do so if i know what to do.... Aug 03 20:43:45 poushag: if zautrix obeyed the GPL Aug 03 20:43:54 poushag: he marked the bits he changed with purpose and date Aug 03 20:44:10 poushag: just search for them, and forward port them Aug 03 20:44:22 poushag: zautrix hacked: libetpan, libmailwrapper, opie-mail (when it comes to ompi only) Aug 03 20:44:28 ~emulate zautrix Aug 03 20:44:50 this is exactly what the GPL is about. grab the stuff and run away Aug 03 20:45:04 that is not what the GPL is about! Aug 03 20:45:22 his behaviour is unethical, something rms didn't have in mind when creating the GPL Aug 03 20:46:02 I think my talk at aKademy will be empty Aug 03 20:46:08 I will bitch about KDAB anyway :} Aug 03 20:46:25 hahah - zecke, it sounds so easy when you say that - but at my stage of newness you might as well be posting in chinese - if one of you can spend some time to get me started i can carry on but its the steep learning curve in the beginning that i have to get over Aug 03 20:47:34 it sounds like zautrix is not well thought of around here - should i bother looking at his source? or is it already known to be too cryptic? Aug 03 20:48:11 hrm. Aug 03 20:48:35 poushag: take a look, it can't hurt Aug 03 20:48:52 to build with iwmmx optimization, what -march, -mcpu, -mtune should I be using? Aug 03 20:49:14 raduga: include tune-iwmmxt.conf in machine config Aug 03 20:49:24 hi cliff Aug 03 20:49:53 poushag: zautrix is weird. To add one line. He invents a new name, runs sed -i s/oldname/newname/ messes with the .pro file and releases his new version Aug 03 20:50:05 poushag: the time the sed takes, could have been used to send a patch :} Aug 03 20:51:36 ok. arch,cpu,tune = iwmmxt Aug 03 20:51:39 (thanks) :) Aug 03 20:51:46 poushag: I suggest fetching kdepimpi from cvs, then go back to moment when he forked opie-mail and start reviewing changes one by one Aug 03 20:52:30 ugly work Aug 03 20:52:51 speaking about opie-mail... it need OResource love... Aug 03 20:53:26 hrw: it is unbelievable how much work Opie needs Aug 03 20:53:35 hrw: I wish we would be six active devels :( Aug 03 20:53:42 zecke: heh Aug 03 20:53:48 zecke, hrw, i will try to do as you say - pls just promise me some help to get throught the rough patches Aug 03 20:53:59 poushag: sure Aug 03 20:54:14 Free Support in #OE for everyone :) Aug 03 20:54:22 hm Aug 03 20:54:26 sometimes a beer Aug 03 20:54:28 lol Aug 03 20:54:37 if i had to go it alone, there would be no way ('no way jose' as we like to say) Aug 03 20:54:42 thx :) Aug 03 20:55:12 woglinde: I always wanted to use the postcard license Aug 03 20:55:43 woglinde: I think I need to get a postcard licensed piece of software on the OLPC device Aug 03 20:56:09 woglinde: I like idea of being paid for oe work Aug 03 20:57:15 zecke should germany aplly for olpc? Aug 03 20:57:58 woglinde: sure - you are poor country Aug 03 20:58:01 woglinde: I think the OLPC is finished within a year and by then our government will have turned us into a development country Aug 03 20:58:36 woglinde: but to make the OLPC attractive for our youth one must be able to install ringtones Aug 03 20:59:12 zecke: no need for changable cases? Aug 03 20:59:38 hrw: Hi Marcin Aug 03 20:59:40 hrw: good thinking Aug 03 21:00:50 hi guys Aug 03 21:00:57 someone has cfxga card? Aug 03 21:06:20 Hi Aug 03 21:06:24 install -m 755 -s qemu-img "/home/oe/build_netbook-pro/staging/i686-linux/bin" Aug 03 21:06:24 | install: cannot run strip: No such file or directory Aug 03 21:07:02 am i the only one who gets this? Aug 03 21:10:54 zecke: thats not OResource... icons are 14x14 only Aug 03 21:11:52 anyway with enough bandwidth+disk to run some of the bittests? Aug 03 21:12:11 florian: no, I get that too Aug 03 21:12:21 zecke: my home machine is not stable enough for it ;( Aug 03 21:12:25 florian: I have just been going into the Makefiles and rmeoving the -s from the install calls Aug 03 21:12:39 hrw: how much do you need to for a new machine? Aug 03 21:13:03 hrw: I could donate some money and we could ask for some more for you? Aug 03 21:14:13 zecke: I would rather prefer to finally find what cause those unstability Aug 03 21:14:52 * JustinP builds a new e-image Aug 03 21:15:11 zecke: 40°C inside of computer case worries me - plan to buy 120mm fan tomorrow to change it Aug 03 21:17:59 JustinP: strange thing... Aug 03 21:18:22 florian: I know Aug 03 21:21:25 Is there a public oe build server? Aug 03 21:25:37 ~nslookup forum.ocworkbench.com Aug 03 21:25:39 I can't find forum.ocworkbench.com in DNS Aug 03 21:26:26 mr_nice_slacker: .....you mean a server people could log into at will and build stuff on? no Aug 03 21:26:43 mr_nice_slacker: it would be a zoo...a madhouse....simply not feasable Aug 03 21:27:10 JustinP: editing the .mak included by the Makefiles does the trick, just remove all these parameters to strip. Aug 03 21:27:46 florian: perhaps a patch should be pushed for qemu Aug 03 21:27:56 JustinP: I thought more about a webinterface - but yes something like that. Aug 03 21:28:21 JustinP: in theory yes, but i wonder why this worked before.. Aug 03 21:28:26 * JustinP shrugs Aug 03 21:29:17 cu all Aug 03 21:29:28 hrw|gone: cu Aug 03 21:29:37 sleep well or have a nice day Aug 03 21:30:20 how would i go about disabling java? is there an equivalent of gentoo USE flags? Aug 03 21:30:44 been poking around but can't seem to find it.. :( Aug 03 21:30:55 furlongm: no equivalent yet Aug 03 21:30:59 nite guys Aug 03 21:36:39 hmmm, so how to disable java then? my gcc-cross build fails building java Aug 03 21:36:45 which i don't need anyway Aug 03 21:40:44 furlongm: you could use EXTRA_OECONF += " --disable-java " (or something like that) in the .bb file you want to remove java Aug 03 21:42:10 ah ok, so whatever the flag to configure is that i need Aug 03 21:42:35 yep Aug 03 21:43:02 and how do you use a higher version of a given package? Aug 03 21:43:16 ie higher than what is currently the stable version Aug 03 21:44:06 either the version exist in the tree and in this case, you should set the PREFERRED_VERSION in your distro conf file Aug 03 21:44:38 either the version does not exist in the tree and you could create the .bb file and submit it to the OE team to add it in the tree :) Aug 03 21:45:17 gotcha Aug 03 21:45:23 thanks :) Aug 03 21:45:30 np Aug 03 22:08:03 * cyrilRomain think it would be great if open source projects would have RSS-like stream so that source-based distro's could be aware of new versions and patches, and to automatically update metadata from the stream like SRC_URI, HOMEPAGE, etc.... Aug 03 22:10:14 * cyrilRomain think about something like the OSXml project attempt (http://www.osxml.org/) Aug 03 22:17:31 I think using ${PN} and ${PV} accomplishes that, just have to rename the bb. Aug 03 22:18:17 Are you talking to me? Aug 03 22:18:22 cinix? Aug 03 22:18:35 dtx_: oh hey, no I was responding to what cyril said. He appears to have quit, didn't notice. Aug 03 22:18:53 dtx_: did you get your virtual SDL line fixed? Aug 03 22:18:56 *sigh* Aug 03 22:19:06 I'm still here Aug 03 22:19:20 I'm still here Aug 03 22:19:29 I see Aug 03 22:19:44 Well, I set up the virtual sdl and I got everything to compile Aug 03 22:20:03 But it won't make the rootfs saying it can't find libsdl-x11 Aug 03 22:20:07 ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for python-pygame: Aug 03 22:20:09 | libsdl-x11 Aug 03 22:20:15 is the exact error Aug 03 22:20:26 dtx: RPROVIDE += "virtual/libsdl" perhaps? Aug 03 22:20:46 hmmm, let me try Aug 03 22:20:58 dtx: and make whatever is RDEPENDing on libsdl-x11 RDEPEND on virtual/libsdl instead Aug 03 22:21:08 ok Aug 03 22:21:14 Let me try it real quick Aug 03 22:21:38 dtx: or maybe you just need to rebuild whatever package has that dep Aug 03 22:23:57 I am having problems getting a meta file to put sdl on the rootfs too, and I'm pretty sure I did an rdepend Aug 03 22:25:46 cinix: did you rebuild the task/meta? Aug 03 22:26:02 cinix: if you just edit the RDEPEND in some file it won't auto-rebuild the task ipks Aug 03 22:26:45 JustinP: yea I -cclean before I ran built it again Aug 03 22:40:57 Collected errors: Aug 03 22:40:58 | Cannot find package virtual/libsdl. Aug 03 22:40:59 | Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' Aug 03 22:41:01 | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for python-pygame: Aug 03 22:41:03 | virtual/libsdl Aug 03 22:41:05 Anybody have any ideas? Aug 03 22:57:39 dtx: perhaps I misunderstood. What sdl are you building and what does it RPROVIDE? Aug 03 23:02:18 wohoo! Aug 03 23:02:20 NOTE: package gpe-image-1.0: completed Aug 03 23:02:29 OZ for nbp :-) Aug 03 23:02:41 nbp? Aug 03 23:05:25 kergoth: netbook pro Aug 03 23:08:00 ah Aug 03 23:14:35 florian: I'd be very interested in that image :) Aug 03 23:17:16 but right now I'm interested in gettting some sleep Aug 03 23:17:18 'night all Aug 03 23:22:28 okay, where do i get rid of this braindead kernel warning? Aug 03 23:32:25 i'm impressed... that's way faster than the old image Aug 04 01:15:54 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * re54e2736... 10/ (34 files in 4 dirs): efl, e17: update to newest versions, remove e as the src/lib dir seems to be gone Aug 04 01:23:58 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * rd48f56ab... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): esmart-fb: fix patch and build, bug #1261, thanks to Cyril Romain Aug 04 01:59:27 mtn 0.28 has cherrypicking? woot Aug 04 02:06:50 since when? Aug 04 02:07:00 i know its in 0.29 Aug 04 02:07:30 i dunno, just looking at the 0.28 release notes, and thats when it was added Aug 04 02:54:29 how do I get into that special menu for a SLC-1000 (as in the thing doesn't work at all) Aug 04 02:55:44 n/m **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 04 02:59:56 2006