**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 15 02:59:57 2006 Sep 15 06:28:49 morning Sep 15 06:33:18 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rdd693d7c... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.17.bb): linux-oz-2.6.17: Update to ASoC 0.11.5 fixing issues on cxx00 (from .dev) Sep 15 06:56:42 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r2e98152d... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) Sep 15 06:56:42 linux-oz 2.6.16: added two pxa27x framebuffer patches: Sep 15 06:56:42 - pxafb_changeres: allow to use QVGA/VGA modes Sep 15 06:56:42 - pxafb_overlays: allow to use overlays for speeding gfx output Sep 15 06:56:42 - no apps support yet in OZ or pdaX Sep 15 06:56:43 12 14:12 < hrw|work> sashz: which soft in pdaX is patched to work with pxafb overlays on cxx00? Sep 15 06:56:44 12 14:13 < sashz> no in pdaXrom this soft yet, for brazil - mplayer, imageviewer and overlay menu Sep 15 07:10:22 hi everyone, how to make bitbake ignore stamps and build a package from start? Sep 15 07:11:10 I have to delete the stamps and package in work directory everytime, it's boring. Sep 15 07:12:23 good morning all Sep 15 07:12:29 O_Neil: -c rebuild Sep 15 07:13:20 ... :| Sep 15 07:13:57 never see this in documents Sep 15 07:14:42 koen: thank you Sep 15 07:15:13 it was added 2 weeks ago :) Sep 15 07:15:35 in the document or source? Sep 15 07:16:38 source Sep 15 07:17:00 http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=331c796786f820575978cca1b06ff1676cbbfb45 Sep 15 07:17:08 NOTE: package quilt-native-0.45: started Sep 15 07:17:08 ERROR: InvalidTask event exception, aborting Sep 15 07:17:22 sounds like you should update Sep 15 07:19:07 :) Sep 15 07:32:27 morning Sep 15 07:32:56 or you are using .oz354x which does not have it Sep 15 07:35:43 03koen 07org.oe.documentation * r57ed85df... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual/usermanual.xml: --mtn -> --db Sep 15 07:39:15 morning all Sep 15 07:39:31 hi RP Sep 15 07:39:55 hrw|work: The backport works? Sep 15 07:40:06 RP: pxafb_changeres 2.6.16 is in metadata - I had to remove one part of patch (non Z machine) Sep 15 07:40:10 RP: builts Sep 15 07:40:18 s/t/d Sep 15 07:40:29 hrw|work: The non Z stuff is safe to ignore - I just need that for mainline Sep 15 07:40:41 RP: thats what I suspected Sep 15 07:41:01 RP: I lack cxx00 machine to do testing Sep 15 07:41:05 yet Sep 15 07:41:37 hrw|work: ok. Whats putting you off 2.6.17 out of interest? Sep 15 07:43:01 RP: I know that 2.6.16 works and does giving updated 2.6.16 is no risk as nearly nothing is going to be changed Sep 15 07:43:31 hrw|work: I can understand that :) Sep 15 07:43:51 RP: with new kernel I would like to wait for 2.6.18 with all recent SD/MMC patches added to mainline Sep 15 07:44:09 OE_REVISION = "format_version "1" Sep 15 07:44:09 new_manifest [0000000000000000000000000000000000000001] Sep 15 07:44:09 old_revision [2e98152dd000faae48fa85be748de97ad4e8eee8]" Sep 15 07:44:09 TARGET_ARCH = "arm" Sep 15 07:44:14 ;D Sep 15 07:44:23 hrw|work: Its interesting that after all the business with pdxrom and people wanting overlays, they don't have any apps that support it :) Sep 15 07:44:39 RP: yes, I was suprised too Sep 15 07:44:42 hrw|work: 2.6.18 will be here soon Sep 15 07:45:21 RP: then I will update 3.5.4.2-rc with it Sep 15 07:45:50 The git kernel can easily become that Sep 15 07:46:17 rebuild is added to oz354x Sep 15 07:46:39 :) Sep 15 07:46:50 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r82a40519... 10/ (1 classes/base.bbclass): Sep 15 07:46:50 base.bbclass: added some stuff from .dev: Sep 15 07:46:50 - rebuild task Sep 15 07:46:50 - checking for message to not show empty NOTE: Sep 15 07:46:50 - COMPATIBLE_MACHINE checking Sep 15 07:46:50 Also removed oesources.org. Sep 15 07:48:08 koen: Did you svn up to bitbake trunk from last night? Sep 15 07:48:20 RP: yes Sep 15 07:48:20 * kergoth is surprised nobody added a rebuild task a long long time ago Sep 15 07:48:30 kergoth: shell has it Sep 15 07:48:31 i got a weird svn fetch failure with bitbake trunk earlier Sep 15 07:48:44 hehe Sep 15 07:49:35 kergoth: There are a few things like "recompile", "reconfigure" "repackage" we could add too... Sep 15 07:50:05 RP: "-b recipe.bb -f -ccompile" is not enough? Sep 15 07:50:13 thats a good idea, especially since -c -f doesnt work atm Sep 15 07:50:21 kergoth: http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/OE/OE-tree.txt Sep 15 07:50:23 kergoth: it works with -b only Sep 15 07:50:26 kergoth: -c -f works fine? Sep 15 07:50:31 nope Sep 15 07:50:34 hrw|work: yep Sep 15 07:50:36 only -b -c -f Sep 15 07:50:43 hrw|work: recompile would -c compile -f then -c build Sep 15 07:51:15 bitbake -c compile -f doesnt do anything right now, unless you use -b Sep 15 07:51:24 kergoth: Saying is doesn't work when you mean it only works with -b is not entirely helpful ;-) Sep 15 07:51:49 i forgot it worked with -b, never use -b Sep 15 07:52:21 I use -b quite heavily, saves parsing time Sep 15 07:52:45 I should pull the -b regexp code into poky's bitbake Sep 15 07:52:51 with upstream oe thatd make sense. i usually use a minimal repo, if not poky than my own Sep 15 07:53:01 so the parse time isnt prohibitive Sep 15 07:53:48 asciik.py is pretty neat Sep 15 07:53:50 with bitbake 1.6.0, it skips files have been parsed, very fast Sep 15 07:55:15 O_Neil: touch any config and it will parse all again Sep 15 07:55:26 yes Sep 15 07:55:35 hi Sep 15 07:55:41 ~hail ewi fast cpu + i/o Sep 15 07:55:49 * ibot bows down to ewi fast cpu + i/o and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Sep 15 08:00:40 koen: can you check source of 'how to make koen' post? its not xhtml 1.0 like your blog say.. Sep 15 08:01:38 koen: you lack ending in post Sep 15 08:02:21 http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org - Intel open src video. Does anybody know refference ARM board with embedded Intel graphics? Sep 15 08:05:00 den-ros: any pxa2xx based count? Sep 15 08:05:37 hrw|work: sorry friend - did not understand You a little. Sep 15 08:06:25 hrw|work: Understand - not pxa2 only. Sep 15 08:09:57 the cm270 has an optional i2700g chip Sep 15 08:11:13 hi dirk Sep 15 08:11:55 hey Dirk Sep 15 08:12:44 cmx270. Poky has support for it :) Sep 15 08:13:35 .dev hasn't Sep 15 08:16:38 koen: When its finished, I expect it will get pushed Sep 15 08:16:58 koen: Its only recently started working ;-) Sep 15 08:21:04 morning all Sep 15 08:23:29 does opreport (from oprofile) work for people on arm? Sep 15 08:27:20 suihkulokki: yes Sep 15 08:27:27 hi Dirk Sep 15 08:30:10 how safe is rm_work in .dev? Sep 15 08:37:57 ~lart thunderbird Sep 15 08:37:57 * ibot readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at thunderbird Sep 15 08:38:06 everytime it auto-updates enigmail breaks Sep 15 08:42:06 koen: thanks again Sep 15 08:51:54 03MartinDietze 07org.oe.dev * rb0736f8e... 10/ (1 packages/madwifi/madwifi-modules_cvs.bb): madwifi-modules: added fix allowing two successive do_stage to succeed. Sep 15 08:52:00 03MartinDietze 07org.oe.dev * r67163c62... 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): ppp: added a nylon-specific patch for a cli program allowing to read the ppp database /var/run/pppd.tdb. Sep 15 08:52:07 03MartinDietze 07org.oe.dev * r5734e6f7... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Sep 15 08:52:07 xorg-lib: resolving bugs #1411, #1412 Sep 15 08:52:07 * The () block containing the compile command for the native makekeys tool now has a "|| exit 1" so that the build stops if the compile fails Sep 15 08:52:07 * The X11_CFLAGS and XT_CFLAGS respectively are set empty when compiling the native tool Sep 15 09:14:51 good morning Sep 15 09:18:07 morning Sep 15 09:22:23 morning florian_kc, XorA Sep 15 09:22:51 RP: surely sash jests when he says mplayer doesnt support overlays in pdaXrom, at least his users are using it on overlay Sep 15 09:23:15 hi RP Sep 15 09:23:17 XorA: I couldn't find a version which it worked in... Sep 15 09:23:47 RP: whats the problems, according to them just outputting to fb2 works Sep 15 09:24:18 RP: if there is a patch I can try and track it down Sep 15 09:24:37 hrw|work: do you need a moneybookers account to send money via it? Sep 15 09:25:30 XorA: I have moneybookers account already Sep 15 09:25:43 hrw|work: I know, Ive never used it Sep 15 09:27:50 ah.. to send to someone who has account.. Sep 15 09:28:08 XorA: you can use creditcard Sep 15 09:28:32 XorA: it has a limit anyway - not more then 200 USD/month iirc Sep 15 09:33:42 * XorA needs to get his terrier ordered Sep 15 09:46:01 XorA: That doesn't just work - you need to set up the framebuffer first Sep 15 09:48:21 RP: out of interest does it work when you go via -vo sdl? Sep 15 09:48:34 RP: hoping that SDL does the settng up Sep 15 09:49:51 XorA: I didn't try SDL. I'd suspect not though Sep 15 09:50:10 RP: so its more than just an fbset? Sep 15 09:50:51 XorA: No, but the framebuffer is a bit odd in that it looses all settings when closed and defaults to a size of 0x0 Sep 15 09:51:30 * XorA could of sworn there mplayer used to be able to do an fbset when -vm or something was called Sep 15 09:52:28 XorA: For YUV, you also have to set the nonstd bit to take it out of rgb mode Sep 15 10:03:09 ~lart sharp for using wlan-ng in tosa Sep 15 10:03:10 * ibot takes a big bite out of sharp's jugular vein for using wlan-ng in tosa Sep 15 10:07:14 hrw|work: hehe Sep 15 10:08:05 hrw|work: have you seen the comment about merging wlan-ng with mainline? Sep 15 10:08:11 no Sep 15 10:08:15 lkml? Sep 15 10:09:20 no. latest svn. wait a sec Sep 15 10:09:32 ~botmail for CosmicPenguin: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1656 Sep 15 10:10:37 hrw|work: http://pastebin.ca/171363 Sep 15 10:12:22 do13_: yep Sep 15 10:12:24 RP: well when I can get me terrier :-) Sep 15 10:12:26 true, true, true Sep 15 10:12:31 RP: with what command line options? Sep 15 10:13:45 suihkulokki: Just plain opreport worked fine as far as I recall Sep 15 10:16:08 XorA: That will be good :) Sep 15 10:17:36 RP: that works for me as well, however attempting to use any of command line options fail Sep 15 10:17:52 suihkulokki: The callgraphing also worked Sep 15 10:22:29 koen: hmm might not get to the uclibc stuff today, the DL760 OE sits on has just lost 3 out of 4 disks.. am trying to save what data i can (VMs and OE) never seen what linux can do with no /var or /usr or /sbin ... seems to be doing things with weird memory cached binaries as far as i can tell Sep 15 10:22:49 oops Sep 15 10:28:04 bugger lost ftp now Sep 15 10:28:06 yesterday I had to install dpkg by hand because my debian lost it Sep 15 10:28:42 hrw|work: you need to install a working filesystem :-) Sep 15 10:31:12 is there any known problem with an endless loop while glibc building on *some* machines? Sep 15 10:31:27 i have some user (yes, more than one ;) reporting this, but i can't reproduce it. Sep 15 10:32:07 the glibc buildsystem is broken Sep 15 10:32:19 we hae some trouble with glibc and loops in the makefile Sep 15 10:32:20 tmbinc_: confgure looping? Sep 15 10:32:27 dunno how we solved it Sep 15 10:37:07 CoreDump|afk: ping Sep 15 10:38:07 * florian_kc disagrees with 21efd18fbc68e97fa7a851cab944cb357282e52c Sep 15 10:39:39 this breaks building several other autotooled packages which need more recent pkgconfig stuff. Sep 15 10:42:46 morning Sep 15 10:43:19 hey chouimat Sep 15 10:51:07 doh finally died Sep 15 10:51:25 got one VM and thats it Sep 15 10:51:29 grr Sep 15 10:52:09 * ade|desk waits for a replacement DL760 media chassis Sep 15 10:53:22 florian_kc: Coredumps checkin removing pkg.m4? Sep 15 10:55:38 XorA: yes... some stuff needs the updated macros in it - iirc this was introduced for this purpose a long time ago. Sep 15 10:55:46 Hi! Sep 15 10:56:02 XorA: i guess for Orbit2 it would be better to replace this ancient release with a newer one. Sep 15 10:56:08 florian_kc, Is GPE docs you're committing available online somewhere? Sep 15 10:56:57 psokolovsky: ye, the most stuff i commited lately is sub-project documentation Sep 15 10:57:16 http://gpe.handhelds.org/projects/ Sep 15 10:58:56 florian_kc, Cool, I was looking for "official" GPE screenshots to add to wiki. Thanks! Sep 15 11:00:19 florian_kc: if I recall that misused my name, I told him at the time it was a hack solution, not a real one Sep 15 11:01:55 i added the very latest one to the test gallery here http://gpe.linuxtogo.org/gallery/gallery/ Sep 15 11:02:49 XorA: ok, lets ask him when he shows up. for now i can change this locally. Sep 15 11:03:09 with some luck it just works with a newer release. Sep 15 11:03:35 what apps need orbit in .oz? Sep 15 11:03:40 florian_kc: I havent seen the problem for ages, so I guess its fixed in .dev Sep 15 11:04:58 XorA: well... koen's question is valid - maybe it is ages ago since you built Orbit the last time :-) Sep 15 11:05:43 I thought firefox ended up building orbt2 Sep 15 11:05:47 I should rephrase that as "what apps that people *actually use* need orbit"? Sep 15 11:06:06 orbit2_2.14.0-r2_armv5te.ipk is n my ipk dir Sep 15 11:07:55 many packages depend on orbit Sep 15 11:08:01 gnumeric Sep 15 11:08:03 gpdf Sep 15 11:08:53 koen: select p_name from packages where p_depends like '%orbit%'; Sep 15 11:10:49 * XorA wonders if gnome is dropping orbit as CORBA is basically dead Sep 15 11:14:30 OH has a policy of patching it out where we can... Sep 15 11:14:35 RP: r608 seems to be working pretty well Sep 15 11:14:45 koen: Did you notice a speedup? Sep 15 11:14:51 yes Sep 15 11:15:00 excellent :) Sep 15 11:16:40 * koen postpones his uclibc stuff till .29 gets released Sep 15 11:16:41 * chouimat is crying Sep 15 11:18:26 RP: any patches around to remove it from bonobo as I suspect thats what brings it into gnumeric and gpdf Sep 15 11:19:21 XorA: bonobo is also removed so no, I'm afraid not Sep 15 11:21:11 RP: trying gnumeric with --without-gnome Sep 15 11:32:58 ~curse konqueror Sep 15 11:33:03 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, konqueror ! Sep 15 11:39:32 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r377918b1... 10/ (1 packages/thumbpad packages/thumbpad/thumbpad_0.8.bb): thumbpad: add 0.8 Sep 15 11:45:08 ...and the CELF people have gone quiet again Sep 15 11:45:22 maybe the 'open' comment scared them away Sep 15 11:47:45 huh? Sep 15 11:48:03 koen: Tim Bird you mean? Sep 15 11:48:10 yes Sep 15 11:48:32 koen: he's busy to end of next week Sep 15 13:13:56 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r58fb39ec... 10/ (1 conf/machine/dm7020.conf): machine/dm7020.conf: use binutils 2.15.94.0.1, as 2.15.91.0.2 is no longer available Sep 15 13:15:12 http://libfixgl.sourceforge.net/ Sep 15 13:16:44 tmbinc_: consider upgrading to binutils 2.16 Sep 15 13:18:00 hrw|work: hm, the most current version didn't build Sep 15 13:18:14 and i was too lazy to debug this :) Sep 15 13:18:22 he tmbinc Sep 15 13:20:06 hm whats that nylon about? Sep 15 13:20:29 woglinde: meshcube distro Sep 15 13:20:31 and why isnt ppp's tdbread only for nylon Sep 15 13:20:33 ~meshcube Sep 15 13:20:37 http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/diff.psp?id1=b0736f8ec7ea965eeb533a6872e86157d94c76f8&id2=67163c625b15951f2b396aedcd5ff10c5d106b2b Sep 15 13:20:38 i guess meshcube is a hardware platform dedicated to WirelessLAN mesh routing. See http://meshcube.org/meshwiki/ Sep 15 13:21:11 personal dont like such patches Sep 15 13:22:04 woglinde: they probably tested it on their devices only and do not want to populate it for other without testing Sep 15 13:22:18 woglinde: I think that you can make it global if want Sep 15 13:22:21 hi Cliff Sep 15 13:22:27 hrw hm Sep 15 13:22:58 they should test local and than check it in global so more people can test Sep 15 13:24:22 woglinde: write to ML Sep 15 13:24:36 hrw yes maybee Sep 15 13:24:52 they do the same with some libX11 Sep 15 13:24:52 woglinde: this developer is rather new and looks like he want to cooperate (looking at recent mails) Sep 15 13:25:16 now heading home Sep 15 13:25:19 bye all Sep 15 13:25:23 cu woglinde Sep 15 13:33:29 how can one tell bitbake to compile a specific kernel version? i tried to use MACHINE_KERNEL_VERSION in local.conf and KERNEL_VERSION in the bb file, but bitbake always compiles the newest kernel Sep 15 13:34:49 PREFERRED_VERSION_hereyouwritekernelname = "versionwhichIwant" Sep 15 13:38:24 in local.conf? Sep 15 13:47:51 re Sep 15 13:48:11 hrw|work: Hi marcin Sep 15 13:48:39 ~botmail for woglinde: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2006-September/000335.html Sep 15 13:53:11 cbrake: how goes things? Sep 15 13:55:34 How does one generate the Packages.gz file? Sep 15 13:55:54 joshin: bitbake package-index Sep 15 13:56:00 thanks! Sep 15 13:58:04 hrw|work: pretty well. Mostly duing app dev right now on a large project and helping several other people out w/ smaller embedded projects. Sep 15 13:58:38 good to hear Sep 15 13:59:39 random question Sep 15 13:59:45 anyone here know about cables? Sep 15 14:00:05 if something said "18 gauge or higher", is 16 gauge valid? Sep 15 14:00:06 mikearthur: they are made of many stands of wire Sep 15 14:00:56 hrw|work: how is the biz setup for you going? Sep 15 14:02:23 cbrake: finished all paperwork with goverment offices, waiting for creating of business bank account Sep 15 14:02:42 mikearthur: that's rather annoying of them; they should have said "thinner" or "thicker", not "higher". Sep 15 14:02:42 mikearthur: at any rate a higher gauge number means a thinner wire. good luck reading their minds... Sep 15 14:02:55 kerwood: yeh, I know :s Sep 15 14:02:57 hrw|work: excellent Sep 15 14:02:57 cbrake: basically I'm done with creating it Sep 15 14:03:09 hi sirfred Sep 15 14:03:23 Hello. Sep 15 14:05:29 mikearthur: whats the limiting factor on the cable, strength, current carrying, has to pass through small hole? Sep 15 14:05:39 mikearthur: that should give the clue whch way to go Sep 15 14:06:13 XorA: I'd imagine current carrying Sep 15 14:06:26 mikearthur: so you want to go thicker then Sep 15 14:07:14 and higher gauge is thicker? Sep 15 14:07:23 ie 20 is thicker than 18? Sep 15 14:07:39 mikearthur: I dont know, but kerwood just answered that dd he not? Sep 15 14:07:49 think so, cheers Sep 15 14:07:57 20 guage is thicker Sep 15 14:08:42 its been far too long since someone let me loose with hardware Sep 15 14:09:11 RP: do you have working audio setup for poodle? Sep 15 14:09:18 s/setup/mixer setup Sep 15 14:10:04 mikearthur: http://www.reade.com/Conversion/wire_gauge.html Sep 15 14:10:10 thanks XorA Sep 15 14:10:22 assuming that is correct info Sep 15 14:12:22 XorA: it's on the internet so it must be true :) Sep 15 14:12:43 hrw|work: I have had Sep 15 14:13:10 koen: in that case, "I am the true God" :-) Sep 15 14:14:07 koen: too many people actually believe that :( Sep 15 14:14:47 and with the likes of cnn making up "news" stories it gets worse Sep 15 14:14:51 mikearthur: http://blufr.com/ Sep 15 14:15:10 it's being under a bit of load right now Sep 15 14:15:24 RP: looks like we need one for current kernels Sep 15 14:15:53 hrw|work: zaurusd could probably use some tweaking for poodle Sep 15 14:20:19 RP: poodle does not get zaurusd in image Sep 15 14:20:52 hrw|work: We need to change that - it will need it for the mixer control Sep 15 14:21:57 RP: coredump created alsa-settings package for that Sep 15 14:22:13 DESCRIPTION = "Provides alsa preferences and preferences-loading for kernel 2.6 non-clamshell devices" Sep 15 14:22:30 "I invented this round thing that fits on an axle" Sep 15 14:22:55 hrw|work: I'd prefer it to use zaurusd given we'll need the headphone switch handling already in zaurusd Sep 15 14:23:07 RP: k Sep 15 14:23:48 RP: what's the status of renaming it to devmand? Sep 15 14:24:10 devicemanager maybe? Sep 15 14:24:12 I think the htc-universal people will get scared of by the name Sep 15 14:24:31 koen: That would get no objection from me but it can't be hosted @o-hand Sep 15 14:24:51 that's not a problem Sep 15 14:25:54 Where are you suggesting it goes? I guess I could put it on rpsys.net, thinking about it, unless there is a better suggestion? Sep 15 14:26:07 RP: which SRCDATE to have poodle support in zaurusd? Sep 15 14:26:13 RP: ltg maybe? Sep 15 14:26:29 hrw|work: today - poodle was the last changes I made iirc Sep 15 14:26:45 hrw|work: The support needs some work though Sep 15 14:27:12 hrw|work: If ltg were interested, that would be a good place for it and perhaps others would become more interested in it Sep 15 14:31:19 RP: would be cool to host it at ltg... Sep 15 14:31:58 florian_kc: It would get agreement from me Sep 15 14:33:09 koen: did you find a different solution for this "preferred version 0.92 of dbus not available" problem? Sep 15 14:33:22 RP: who is working on it currently? Sep 15 14:33:37 florian_kc: zaurusd? Just me Sep 15 14:33:45 florian_kc: I moved away all other providers for dbus Sep 15 14:35:14 RP: ok - maybe just create a project. koen and i can play the "approving game" then ;-) Sep 15 14:35:50 koen: ok, well... no idea what causes this? Sep 15 14:36:10 florian_kc: Is there an interface to create a project? Sep 15 14:36:18 RP: and do not forget to add itself to OE project Sep 15 14:37:27 RP: yes, http://projects.linuxtogo.org/ Sep 15 14:38:19 florian_kc: no idea, and I'm lazy Sep 15 14:45:54 hmmm Sep 15 14:46:03 do_package seems to be busted in .dev Sep 15 14:47:16 oops Sep 15 14:48:03 RP: what does IRQ 18 do on the zaurii? It's apparently listed as DMA and using it in ipaq-sleep's conf apparently causes the z not to suspend while playing music. Does it do anything non-music related? Sep 15 14:49:14 JustinP: Its the i2c interface which is the IO expander on akita and control of the audio chip Sep 15 14:51:47 Ahhhrg. Sep 15 14:52:15 koen, florian_kc: When you look at that project, can you change it to use svn please? The form resets that field upon error :-( Sep 15 14:52:28 RP: you're 4 days early for talk like a pirate day ;) Sep 15 14:52:55 koen: we all talk like pirates in the uk Sep 15 14:53:07 RP: let me try... Sep 15 14:54:13 urghs Sep 15 14:54:19 * koen stabs gforge Sep 15 14:54:51 We could delete and try again? Sep 15 14:55:38 yep Sep 15 14:56:05 RP: that would be the best - the scm sccems to be the only field you can't change later on Sep 15 14:56:07 http://rafb.net/paste/results/HnMLUk32.html <- project description Sep 15 14:56:21 koen: I still have the browser open :) Sep 15 14:56:38 * RP resubmits Sep 15 15:00:17 GForge is a project that could need some help :-/ Sep 15 15:00:46 koen: RP is just tryin to help with global warming: http://www.venganza.org/images/spreadword/pchart1.jpg Sep 15 15:01:51 :) Sep 15 15:03:15 arrr! Sep 15 15:03:19 ;) Sep 15 15:03:39 http://talklikeapirateday.com/wordpress/ Sep 15 15:04:11 I'm having a problem with checkroot.sh in /etc/init.d I have a fix but I'm sure it is a fix that is a bandaid and not a real fix. I would like to hear other opionions on what the real problem is: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1418 Sep 15 15:05:08 * CosmicPenguin marks his calendar with a oldytyme dagger Sep 15 15:06:18 RP: on spitz? Sep 15 15:06:40 =+ and Sep 15 15:10:51 JustinP: i2c is just used for audio Sep 15 15:12:34 RP: thanks :-) Sep 15 15:19:09 03rpurdie * r609 10bitbake/lib/bb/cache.py: cache.py: Don't error if a file doesn't exist, just mark the cache entry invalid Sep 15 15:22:46 bbl Sep 15 15:47:12 cu all Sep 15 15:58:13 woo - OLPC network is up Sep 15 15:58:17 now I can use feeds! Sep 15 16:34:03 hey mickey|bbl Sep 15 16:34:17 heya Sep 15 16:34:20 CosmicPenguin: your base install smaller than the redhat stuff ? Sep 15 16:34:56 media chassis arrived, now installing etch Sep 15 16:35:17 me-> 45.6 Sep 15 16:35:20 them -> 296 Sep 15 16:35:22 just a tad Sep 15 16:35:37 I'm still tweaking though Sep 15 16:35:43 and to be fair, I haven't added anything but the base sugar Sep 15 16:36:11 so sugar works? Sep 15 16:36:12 but I doubt all the activities in the world won't add up to 250 MB Sep 15 16:36:19 koen: I'm working on it Sep 15 16:36:41 koen: since python code isn't automatically picked up by ipkg, I'm doing rdepends tweaking rightn ow Sep 15 16:37:17 mickeyl had some idea about parsing the 'import' to have large parts of dependencies working Sep 15 16:37:26 * koen looks at mickeyl Sep 15 16:39:03 yeah, one of these days when I have a bit of spare time again, I'll work on that Sep 15 16:39:50 Hey mickeyl, how's the PH.D going? Sep 15 16:40:20 so many packages Sep 15 16:40:36 pygobject, pycairo, pygtk,pygoocanvas... Sep 15 16:40:37 the list goes on Sep 15 16:41:03 treke: hi. I just gave the 2nd referee the final draft. If he has no objections, then I'll officially submit next week (finally). Public defense would be in December or January then :) Sep 15 16:41:15 Sweet Sep 15 16:41:24 yeah. it's about time. Sep 15 16:41:32 Are you allowed to use knives? Sep 15 16:41:43 heh Sep 15 16:41:43 cute Sep 15 16:42:02 I try Sep 15 16:42:08 not very hard Sep 15 16:42:13 True Sep 15 16:51:10 ahh geez Sep 15 16:51:12 python-dbus Sep 15 16:52:19 CosmicPenguin: what's happening here? Why the python "mess"? Sep 15 16:52:40 JustinP: so I can run sugar Sep 15 16:53:17 CosmicPenguin: that's not much of an answer....it seems you're changing RDEPENDS? Sep 15 16:53:23 no Sep 15 16:53:24 CosmicPenguin: (I also don't know anything about sugar) Sep 15 16:53:39 but I'm adding RDEPENDS to my python package for the python packages that *it* needs Sep 15 16:53:39 I guess I cross-wired 2 conversations, then Sep 15 16:53:46 ah, I see Sep 15 16:53:49 heh Sep 15 16:53:50 fun Sep 15 16:54:00 and what is sugar? Sep 15 16:54:22 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar Sep 15 17:12:45 CosmicPenguin: You mostly deal with AMDs 32 bit cpus? Sep 15 17:13:43 for now Sep 15 17:13:59 those are going away - so soon it will be all about the opterons Sep 15 17:14:35 ah Sep 15 17:19:11 You happen to know if there's much overhead associated with mixing 32 bit and 64 bit execution? Sep 15 17:20:32 just a little tiny bit - compared to a context switch its nothing Sep 15 17:20:56 Thanks. Sep 15 17:26:09 I'd been running the 64 bit builds of ubuntu for a while now and it had just occurred to me that it might not have amade the most sense. Doesn't sound like it should really make a difference though. Sep 15 17:26:57 treke: I got the biggest boost with a 64 bit kernel, userspace didn't seem to matter much Sep 15 17:27:01 but that was a while ago Sep 15 17:27:27 Yeah. I'm perfectly happy with performance. :) Sep 15 17:27:33 | TypeError: swig_sources() takes exactly 2 arguments (3 given) Sep 15 17:27:38 look familiar to anyone? Sep 15 17:29:12 Only from when I forgot to specify that a class member should receive self as a parameter Sep 15 17:33:19 i don't know a damn thing about how any of htis works Sep 15 17:39:59 What are you trying to build? Sep 15 17:40:13 python-dbus Sep 15 17:40:23 whatever is in the metadata is old Sep 15 17:40:37 they're up to .71, and now its seperate from the main package Sep 15 17:40:55 http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fDBusBindings Sep 15 17:41:11 and distutils doesn't like it Sep 15 17:41:15 From the looks of things it might be a python 2.4 incompatibility Sep 15 17:41:48 omg rock on! most important array still works Sep 15 17:42:16 * ade|desk hugs debian / hp Sep 15 17:42:43 def swig_sources (self, sources, extension) Sep 15 17:42:46 * CosmicPenguin shrugs Sep 15 17:42:49 it all looks fine Sep 15 17:42:51 stupid distutils Sep 15 17:44:34 + def swig_sources (self, sources, extension=None): Sep 15 17:44:35 try that Sep 15 17:47:17 no dice Sep 15 17:47:28 the distutils file is identical to my development system Sep 15 17:55:14 Is anybody still maintaining kaffe? Does anybody need and use it? Bug 410 seems to suggest that no. Sep 15 17:57:52 arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lpcre but i have DEPENDS = "pcre" in the bb file and bitbake builds it. what am i missing? Sep 15 18:02:37 balle: -L in LDFLAGS? Sep 15 18:05:00 koen|away, in the makefile? with relative path? Sep 15 18:06:59 balle: I usually do 'CFLAGS += '-L${STAGING_LIBDIR}' in the recipe Sep 15 18:12:05 hey all. is anyone using xorg-xserver on pda? And what PDA supports it currently? and what pros/cons? Sep 15 18:19:10 same error... no pcre lib Sep 15 18:19:37 hey Sep 15 18:22:27 mickeyl: ping Sep 15 18:24:09 zecke: pöng Sep 15 18:29:35 mickeyl: when do I need to be in munich? Sep 15 18:29:40 *just returned from paris* Sep 15 18:30:05 zecke: welcome back. you need to be in munich on 10.10. Sep 15 18:30:09 you will depart on 12.10 Sep 15 18:30:10 :) Sep 15 18:30:22 hi zecke mickeyl Sep 15 18:31:28 I wish I needed to be in Munich Sep 15 18:34:01 okay will book flights then Sep 15 18:34:18 mickeyl: when do you depart on the 12th? Sep 15 18:35:18 zecke: conference ends ~ 19:00, so I want to depart not later than 20:00 Sep 15 18:35:46 mickeyl: hehe, you need at least one hour to go from ostbahnhof to the airport Sep 15 18:35:59 zecke: hmm... flying... Sep 15 18:36:14 mickeyl: you are traveling by train? are you rich? Sep 15 18:36:16 i guess to munich i'll take the train Sep 15 18:36:22 rich? me? nah Sep 15 18:36:38 not yet, that is :) Sep 15 18:36:58 actually i didn't check how much it is by plane Sep 15 18:37:09 i'll look into that tomorrow Sep 15 18:38:54 mickeyl: to munich from berlin it is 9Euro + Flughafengebuehren Sep 15 18:52:38 mickeyl: the GREENPHONE is expensive. I think if one would have bought 10.000 HTC phones you would have a lower price Sep 15 18:52:45 *nod* Sep 15 18:52:52 ridiculous Sep 15 18:54:43 mickeyl: You can get a DVB-H Research device for that amount of money Sep 15 18:55:02 lets check ftp.tt.com again Sep 15 18:56:11 still hoping for a gpl release? Sep 15 18:59:27 sorry. I moved too far from the AP Sep 15 18:59:38 still hoping for a gpl release? Sep 15 18:59:54 mickeyl: still no Qtopia4 :( Sep 15 18:59:54 mickeyl: I think it is quite clever. YOu have two options obey the GPL or give TT 100 bucks more to not obey it and keep your changes Sep 15 19:00:43 ah Sep 15 19:01:04 it is complete :) Sep 15 19:02:19 the next gtk+ phones are just around the corner, so TT better hurries Sep 15 19:02:23 *shrug* Sep 15 19:02:35 let's tell 'em @ DevDays Sep 15 19:02:39 tt is not competing with consumer phones Sep 15 19:02:45 to clarify it is TTs right to license their property the way they want it... Sep 15 19:03:13 and the greenphone is not subsidized by any carriers Sep 15 19:03:27 and is in very limited quantities Sep 15 19:03:43 andi it might say mean things about your mother Sep 15 19:03:51 ljp: Sorry a DVB-H prototype is not what I would declare consumer phone Sep 15 19:04:18 ljp: and I pay less for these... and they are not subsidized Sep 15 19:04:27 ljp: If I understand correctly when buying a GREENPHONE i pay for the license of the WapStack, Browserm, DRM and Helix, right? Sep 15 19:04:40 depends on which license Sep 15 19:04:45 ljp: can you name the number of to be sold phones? Sep 15 19:04:54 less than 1000 Sep 15 19:05:07 paying for DRM? lol Sep 15 19:05:28 ljp: okay, so for some of them e.g. helix you already pay royalties? so you can't release GPL+BLOB to everyone unless you pay huge amounts of money? Sep 15 19:05:31 balle: some people like to pay to get screwed :-) Sep 15 19:05:51 helix is not part of this first release, and helix is GPL Sep 15 19:05:53 ljp: e.g. it would be nice to have Qtopia on a HTC phone can be bought at an affordable price Sep 15 19:05:59 XorA|gone, yeah but i think we dont need to discuss that ;) Sep 15 19:06:24 ljp: hmm last time I checked the Qt player widget, it wasn't that far :) Sep 15 19:06:34 * XorA|gone would kill for qtopia on a HTC Wizard Sep 15 19:06:48 send me one :) Sep 15 19:06:49 ljp: I thought I have read that helix is part of the release Sep 15 19:07:06 ljp: send us the source Sep 15 19:07:23 not this first one, we do provide patches to integrate helix into qtopia, but we cannot deliver the sources... yet Sep 15 19:07:32 ljp: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5201088922.html Sep 15 19:07:41 its planned Sep 15 19:07:47 ljp: is Helix DNA != Player? Sep 15 19:08:22 who are you gonna belive, a web site, or someone actually working on the greenphone? :) Sep 15 19:08:47 ljp: don't you publis these news? Sep 15 19:08:54 treke: seems like my problem might be an old version of pyrex Sep 15 19:09:02 buahahahaha Sep 15 19:09:11 CosmicPenguin: Yes it would be Sep 15 19:09:35 ljp: well, do you plan to give the freely licensed bits to everyone or just the one buying a greenphone? Sep 15 19:09:35 which I find immensely humourous because that section of a diff I pasted was out of Pyrex :p Sep 15 19:09:42 oh Sep 15 19:09:59 0.9.3.1 was the version patched to work with python 2.4 Sep 15 19:10:13 looks like telephony and drm is not for community Sep 15 19:10:46 treke: hm - my ${PV} is 9.3 Sep 15 19:10:51 0.9.3 Sep 15 19:10:55 anyway - updates are in progress Sep 15 19:11:02 ljp: do you plan to cooperate with Fluendo on DRM? Sep 15 19:11:13 set it to 9.3.1 should fix it, assuming you don't want to jump further ahead to current Sep 15 19:11:23 no? Sep 15 19:11:28 those 2nd party on the linuxdevices will be probably providing binaries at some point Sep 15 19:11:49 dont know, sorry Sep 15 19:12:05 treke: oh, well - it seems to have worked - so live and let live... Sep 15 19:12:14 0.9.4.1 Sep 15 19:12:15 CosmicPenguin: Well I'm sure the newer versions work equally well. I was just thinking of the least likely thing to make extra work for you Sep 15 19:12:32 ljp: well, where is the source? or do I need to buy a greenphone to get it (GPL)? Sep 15 19:12:32 ljp: and on buying a greenphone am I still allowed to distribute the source? Sep 15 19:12:33 0.9.4.1 is probably better in the long run Sep 15 19:13:03 community sdk will be available from qtopia.net Sep 15 19:13:29 ~lart python Sep 15 19:13:30 * ibot stabs python Sep 15 19:13:48 all of this has been done by the 'seat of our pants'. originally, they wanted everything - integration the whole shebang, done in 3 weeks! Sep 15 19:14:14 dev was like -riiiiiiiight Sep 15 19:19:20 and I am working on getting a few greenphones for community developers Sep 15 19:20:32 *sorry* bad connection Sep 15 19:21:53 * XorA|gone finds setting a PREFFERRED_PROVIDER for dbus-glib works much better than not Sep 15 19:22:34 ljp: is greenphone effectively a prototype? Sep 15 19:22:48 ljp: or proof of concept I suppose Sep 15 19:23:00 more or less. yuhuatel might release there own version of it Sep 15 19:23:13 with their own qtopia Sep 15 19:23:22 ljp: ah, things make more sense to me Sep 15 19:25:58 * XorA|gone searches under the desk for 700USD :-) Sep 15 19:31:57 * hvontres|poodle scratches head and wonders about need for cell phones Sep 15 19:41:34 hvontres|poodle: they only have 3 uses, GPRS/EDGE/HDPSA Sep 15 19:43:18 botmail read Sep 15 19:43:22 ~botmail read Sep 15 19:43:50 hehe Sep 15 19:43:53 thanks koen Sep 15 19:46:14 sigh Sep 15 19:46:19 gtk sucks, python sucks Sep 15 19:46:20 everything sucks Sep 15 19:46:41 cosmic whats wrong? Sep 15 19:46:46 it all sucks Sep 15 19:46:53 hm Sep 15 19:48:01 CosmicPenguin: Time for a Beer? Sep 15 19:48:10 I wish Sep 15 19:49:11 Well, to quote Allan Jackson: It's 5 o'clock somewhere... Sep 15 19:50:44 * XorA|gone wonders if he has any in the fridge Sep 15 19:51:47 We had a german student here who kept beer in the lab fridge Sep 15 19:52:29 as a matter of fact, it's 5 o clock in Halifax and Brasil...:) Sep 15 19:52:30 I suppose it depends on what type of lab it is :p Sep 15 19:52:47 a nerd lab :) Sep 15 19:53:04 some people here have a drinking problem Sep 15 19:53:07 they don't Sep 15 19:53:22 I wouldn't be up on that if I was working in a morgue :p Sep 15 19:53:58 * hvontres|poodle has a drinking problem: two hands and only one mouth :) Sep 15 19:57:20 ImportError: No module named wnck Sep 15 19:57:21 sigh Sep 15 19:57:56 Crofton: did this german dude call it beer? Sep 15 19:58:10 Crofton: actually I do not know a single fridge in my uni not having beer... Sep 15 19:58:12 well, it was budweiser Sep 15 19:58:16 heh Sep 15 19:58:26 we have strange customs Sep 15 19:59:07 he andersee Sep 15 19:59:53 woglinde: howdy Sep 15 20:00:42 Crofton: do you have any news on SDR? Sep 15 20:01:09 not yet Sep 15 20:01:25 I am swampped with reports and papers atm Sep 15 20:01:32 no time for fun work Sep 15 20:10:39 Is util-linux broken for anyone else? Sep 15 20:10:42 ln: creating symbolic link `/home/slug/openslug/tmp/work/util-linux-2.12r-r6/image/sbin/swapoff.util-linux' to `swap\ Sep 15 20:10:42 on.util-linux': File exists Sep 15 20:23:04 CosmicPenguin: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1656 was updated, has add, remove, and refresh commands now Sep 15 20:23:08 CosmicPenguin: :) Sep 15 20:24:11 hi kergoth Sep 15 20:24:19 kergoth: yeah - I saw that Sep 15 20:24:21 thanks for the heads up Sep 15 20:24:25 np Sep 15 20:24:33 i'm just glad i didnt have to write it, since i keep forgetting to :P Sep 15 20:24:42 hey woglinde Sep 15 20:24:54 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r36cd2690... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): ixp4xx-npe: Added 2.3 version of the microcode package Sep 15 20:39:22 OK, I fixed the bug in util-linux. checklink was not removing the correct file. Sep 15 20:39:59 rwhitby: thanks for the 2.3 update Sep 15 20:40:40 likewise: np - what are you doing with it (I'm sorry, I don't recognise your nick) Sep 15 20:41:17 deploying OE ixp4xx on the IXDP425 dev board and on a new board of our own. Sep 15 20:41:56 have been off this channel for a few months, due to finishing Msc. Sep 15 20:42:00 so you're following the open source ixp ethernet driver threads on debian-arm and nslu2-developers? Sep 15 20:42:24 likewise good Sep 15 20:43:09 rwhitby: I am catching up, not following anything distracting the last few months. Why you ask about the threads? I mainly followed the uclinux.org mailing list. Sep 15 20:43:39 rwhitby: Ah, now I see, the new fully open-source driver? Sep 15 20:43:51 no, have not looked into it yet. Sep 15 20:44:44 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * rc629f287... 10/ (1 packages/util-linux/util-linux.inc): util-linux: fixed the checklink function - it was not removing the correct file before reinstating a symbolic link Sep 15 20:44:49 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r2bc5008a... 10/ (1 packages/util-linux/util-linux_2.12r.bb): util-linux: bumped the PR on the latest version cause the .inc file changed Sep 15 20:45:52 likewise: the ixp4xx-npe package is for the new fully open source driver Sep 15 20:46:35 we extract the raw microcode out of the Intel licensed NPE microcode package, so it can be loaded by userland and the open source driver can be part of the kernel proper. Sep 15 20:47:50 rwhitby: smart trick Sep 15 20:48:33 we're actually going to store the microcode in the last block of flash (for the NSLU2) Sep 15 20:48:53 rwhitby: Do you expect this approach to sustain over time (and Intel releases)? I suppose this trick will not work for most bootloaders though, license-wise? Sep 15 20:48:53 (there's 124Kb of space between the redboot FIS directory and the Sercomm trailer signature at the end) Sep 15 20:49:21 yes, we expect the open source driver to work over releases Sep 15 20:49:41 you still need to comply with the intel license when you distribute anything that includes the microcode firmware Sep 15 20:50:00 (we have www.slug-firmware.net for that - you need a click-through license at least) Sep 15 20:50:16 rwhitby: have to re-read the Intel license. I am not familiar with the details anymore. Sep 15 20:51:24 Basically, (I am not a lawyer), you need to make sure that anyone you distribute the binary microcode to has agreed to the intel license, which says that it cannot be combined with GPL code in such a way that the intel microcode would come under the GPL. Sep 15 20:53:24 OK, so Intel bought of some license for RedBoot? Or is RedBoot BSD licensed? Sep 15 20:54:17 RedBoot is RedHat eCos dual licensed. Sep 15 20:54:34 hardware vendors can get a license from RedHat which means they don't need to distribute source Sep 15 20:55:13 (and which means they can include the Intel microcode) Sep 15 20:55:13 so if I adopt that redboot, I need to re-ask for a license, or did Intel buy-out at use on the IXP4xx? Sep 15 20:56:12 If you are a hardware vendor, and want to distribute Intel microcode, then my understanding is (and I am not a lawyer) that you need a special redboot license from RedHat to be able to do so - you cannot use the normal GPL'd redboot release as that would violate the intel license. Sep 15 20:58:17 rwhitby: OK, I definitly need reading the license again, otherwise TFTP style firmware updates over RedBoot could enter the dangerous area for a specific device. Sep 15 20:59:57 if you are using ixp networking for the tftp, then yes you would fall under the intel license and cannot distribute the microcode as a derivative work with GPL code (as you would be doing if you use RedBoot without a special RedHat license) Sep 15 21:00:38 Intel are very serious about the microcode license - I definitely would talk to Intel directly if you are a hardware vendor. Sep 15 21:08:02 Hmm - my util-linux fix was incorrect. Backing out of the change. Sep 15 21:08:16 will need to look into the cause more deeply. Sep 15 21:09:47 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r45e28823... 10/ (1 packages/util-linux/util-linux.inc): util-linux: back out of my last change. Sep 15 21:10:54 andersee: hi there Sep 15 21:12:48 hi Sep 15 21:12:51 likewise: howdy Sep 15 21:14:18 ImportError: No module named rsvg Sep 15 21:14:19 ARGH! Sep 15 21:14:26 could python suck any more? Sep 15 21:19:04 cosmic wrong module? Sep 15 22:00:18 yah! Sep 15 22:00:22 sugar ho! Sep 15 22:36:16 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r62cb46ad... 10/ (1 packages/dhcdbd/dhcdbd_1.16.bb): dhcdbd: Add 1.16 Sep 15 22:50:06 hmmm Sep 15 22:50:13 I guess Ray never did much Xorg git stuff before he left Sep 15 22:50:13 sad Sep 15 23:25:52 help Sep 16 00:09:12 morning ~! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 16 02:59:56 2006