**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 18 02:59:57 2006 Sep 18 04:13:08 Anyone around that can test if sudo builds? It is failing for me on collie and openslug builds on 32 and 64 bit gentoo installs (P3 and Athlon64) Sep 18 04:16:02 * T0mW is still trying to get through his first gpe build Sep 18 04:18:28 T0mW, is it working ok? I might be able to help debug. Sep 18 04:18:55 I've got a compiler panic building gpe-plucker with gcc-3.4.4 Sep 18 04:20:01 CROSS COMPILE Badness: /usr/include in INCLUDEPATH: /usr/include/gpe Sep 18 04:20:13 cc1: internal compiler error: Aborted Sep 18 04:20:15 :( Sep 18 04:21:15 Nifty. What OS is the build system? Is it overclocked? Sep 18 04:21:28 naw, AMD X2 4800+ Sep 18 04:21:34 new system though Sep 18 04:21:57 Did you run memtest on it? Compilers are awful sensitive to memory errors. Sep 18 04:22:00 * T0mW learned his lesson about overclocking Sep 18 04:22:11 hmmm, I might have to Sep 18 04:22:18 BTW, nice system. I have an Opty 175 (4600+ equivalent) Sep 18 04:22:45 Yeah, the 64bit distro is a bit disappointing: Mandriva Sep 18 04:23:34 So far I've been happy with Gentoo 64bit. If/when I get tired of compiling I'd probably go to Ubuntu. Sep 18 04:23:38 I removed gpe-plucker from the tasks/task-gpe (equivilant), but bitbake still insists on building plucker? Sep 18 04:24:05 I wonder if there is a cross dependancy someplace Sep 18 04:24:20 probably. I've not built gpe in a while... Sep 18 04:24:43 I getting really close, only been at this for a few weeks now.. Sep 18 04:25:33 Uhoh. Have you built bootstrap-image yet? Sep 18 04:25:57 well, in truth, it took me 4 days to finally get the X2 system up and running. heh, VT82xxxx IDE hardware was not found in 2.6.12 kernel that shipped iwth the distro. I finally had to use a 2.6.17.4 to get the VIA chip working. Sep 18 04:26:11 yeah, bootstrap is a cinch Sep 18 04:26:51 I finally figured out what I was doing with bitbake building bootstrap images, now, to take that BIG BITE, heh Sep 18 04:27:34 I've only been working at this off/on, other aspects of the project have kept me busy too Sep 18 04:28:15 So you took plucker out of the meta distribution file? Sep 18 04:28:48 nod Sep 18 04:28:56 task-gpe.bb? Sep 18 04:29:15 I copied task-gpe.bb to task-sys5505.gpe, then edited the new task to remove the cruft Sep 18 04:29:33 did the same with gpe-image.bb Sep 18 04:30:27 seems that most of the bitbake stuff is targeted towards building up a handheld for a user, I don't need handwriting recogition, gimp, or mozilla for this project. Sep 18 04:30:54 but, X would be a definate plus! Sep 18 04:31:16 I'm using OE for both my old Zaurus as well as a Linksys NSLU2. Sep 18 04:31:29 nod Sep 18 04:32:11 the whole bitbake concept is so intriguing, it is hard to ignore what they are doing here. But, as a new user, it is a bitch to learn how to do stuff with it. Sep 18 04:32:13 You could always just install the bootstrap and then add packages. Sep 18 04:32:30 Or ask for help in about 7-9 hours or so Sep 18 04:32:35 LOL Sep 18 04:33:04 yeah, there is sooooo many variations of X-server and sooooo little documentation... Sep 18 04:33:38 There's so many versions of EVERYTHING... Sep 18 04:33:39 I figured that gpe is what looks interesting, so, I would go the other way: start big and strip it down. Sep 18 04:34:02 so far, I think I'm getting close... Sep 18 04:34:28 if I figure out wtf this plucker thing is that keeps insisting its way into the build Sep 18 04:34:38 Did you try going to an earlier version of plucker? Sep 18 04:36:02 only place I can see, is the distro includes 'preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc' and that file has a PREFERRED_VERSION_gpe-plucker statement in it. Sep 18 04:36:29 but, AFAIK, if I don't name the package as part of the tasks, then it should not be built? Sep 18 04:36:34 Yup, you can edit that to try an earlier version. Sep 18 04:36:53 none of my tasklists name plucker as a needed package Sep 18 04:37:46 joshin: that might be the last resort: try earlier version than '0.2' Sep 18 04:38:07 0.2? I see 0.4 as well... Sep 18 04:38:08 * T0mW gets nervous when a 0.anything is needed. Sep 18 04:38:38 yeah, but, I don't *want* plucker, it is a useless app Sep 18 04:38:41 :) Chicken! Sep 18 04:38:46 :P Sep 18 04:39:03 "you burn, you learn", eh? ;) Sep 18 04:39:31 Trying to figure out where a dependency on plucker might be hiding... Sep 18 04:39:42 What is your build target? Sep 18 04:40:00 h1940, that's the closest to my board Sep 18 04:40:33 Did you try bitbake with a -v -n to see what else it wants to build? Sep 18 04:40:42 verbose & dry run Sep 18 04:40:59 ah, didn't think of that Sep 18 04:41:05 or a -k for continue Sep 18 04:41:23 -k might be your best bet if you just want to get it done. Sep 18 04:41:33 do a bitbake --help Sep 18 04:44:14 Working? Sep 18 04:44:14 does any of this stuff build with gcc-4.0.1? or should I just stay with 3.4.4 ? Sep 18 04:44:29 Depends on the distribution. Sep 18 04:44:30 no, it failed on plucker again Sep 18 04:44:41 which bitbake command did you try? Sep 18 04:44:59 bitbake -k sys5505-image (aka gpe-image) Sep 18 04:45:39 trying "touch build/conf/local.conf ; bitbake -i ; parse" now Sep 18 04:47:46 Good luck. Bedtime for me.... Sep 18 04:47:59 thanks, g'nite Sep 18 06:08:49 T0mW: Tricky nick. I thought you were gone already. I am not sure you do yourself a favor with this nick as I was already about to drop replying to you. Sep 18 06:09:21 Well, someone else registered my old nick: TomW Sep 18 06:09:27 Plucker is AFAIK plkr.org and it is an ebook software plus stuff to download and compress websites for offline use. Sep 18 06:09:36 I'm a relative newcomer to irc Sep 18 06:09:40 Oh, that bastard ;-= Sep 18 06:09:47 Oh, that bastard ;) Sep 18 06:09:49 shrug Sep 18 06:09:52 heh Sep 18 06:10:05 I had it for a while, just never registered it Sep 18 06:10:32 Have you tried the dry-run suggestion and -v. Together with less or grep this will tell you about the dependencies. Sep 18 06:11:18 I went to plucker 0.4, its running a build now Sep 18 06:11:42 probably will know in another 20 minutes Sep 18 06:11:57 Leave a note in bugs.openembedded.org that the standard plucker fails to build. Sep 18 06:12:03 BTW, at what stage? Sep 18 06:12:24 compile, the gcc-3.4.4 dumps with a CC1 internal error Sep 18 06:13:06 OK, definitely make a bug report. Sep 18 06:13:11 nod Sep 18 06:13:47 right now, I'm trying to get a stable avidemux working on this X86_64 system Sep 18 06:16:25 nope, so much for that. Seems that 64 bit apps are as stable as Windows 98 programs. :( Sep 18 06:18:40 well windows 98 was better then windows me Sep 18 06:19:07 oh, definately, I finally had someone bring me a box with that thing on it. Sep 18 06:19:55 I would guess that someone's tech support revenue was down, so they needed winME to boost that up. Sep 18 06:20:32 not really, then desperatly needed to ship an OS Sep 18 06:20:36 they* Sep 18 06:20:43 and its result was ME Sep 18 06:21:31 98 was too old and XP was nowhere near being done Sep 18 06:21:42 I'm trying to get this gpe stuff working on a board that I have (samsung s3c2410) before the customer follows through and installs WinCE into the project Sep 18 06:21:55 lol Sep 18 06:22:26 he has a "genuis" who is convinced that they are going to run 16 SPI circuits from WinCE Sep 18 06:22:31 does a wince build exist that works for that board? Sep 18 06:22:49 naw, they are now looking at a PXA board Sep 18 06:22:58 well SPI is pretty forgiving Sep 18 06:23:17 hey, it is 533MHz so WinCE should be somewhat snappy Sep 18 06:23:25 * emte shrugges Sep 18 06:23:32 depends what your expecting it to do Sep 18 06:23:35 * T0mW too Sep 18 06:23:49 emte: well, they think it will be "stable" Sep 18 06:23:50 heh Sep 18 06:24:33 i cant say that i've noticed wince any less stable than a *nix or palm device Sep 18 06:24:51 interesting Sep 18 06:25:50 but that can only be compared against my h3760 and a few palm devices Sep 18 06:26:15 I don't really have any handheld stuff Sep 18 06:26:38 my palm-III died a while back and I never bothered to replace it Sep 18 06:27:16 yeah ... palm really missed the mark, they could have kept the market and killed wince Sep 18 06:27:41 but palmOS went stale and they held off too long on color devices Sep 18 06:27:56 T0mW: Are you sure that the package is called plucker? Sep 18 06:28:05 gpe-plucker Sep 18 06:28:10 if your asking about the ebook app Sep 18 06:28:11 OK. Sep 18 06:28:16 then yes it is plucker Sep 18 06:28:29 emte: The package is named differently. Sep 18 06:28:37 seems that a few core packages require that thing Sep 18 06:28:47 T0mW had problems with it and I tried to build it but plucker is not provided. Sep 18 06:29:07 * T0mW looks Sep 18 06:29:43 plucker always ended up in my images whne i built gpe ... Sep 18 06:30:03 but for the package itslef i dunno Sep 18 06:30:07 packages/tasks/task-gpe.bb Sep 18 06:30:47 packages/gpe-plucker Sep 18 06:32:28 Laibsch: keep in mind, I'm building on an AMD X2 system, if that is a factor Sep 18 06:32:42 That is what I wanted to find out. Sep 18 06:32:48 Waht is triggering your problem Sep 18 06:33:06 Would make you bug report all the more valuable. Sep 18 06:33:14 your Sep 18 06:33:21 I will do that, once this build runs out Sep 18 06:44:13 gpe-plucker 0.4 builds ok Sep 18 06:46:26 hey kergoth . Sep 18 06:48:12 hey, minipanda Sep 18 07:10:30 bluez-utils failed to build. Ok, so I decided to remove that from the list of packages (e.g. task-gpe.bb). Do I have to remove my tmp dir now, or is there a way to tell bitbake to rebuild the cache(s)? Sep 18 07:11:26 it seems that once bitbake starts a build, it makes a list of all the packages, then later on it won't skip building that package. Sep 18 07:20:31 morning Sep 18 07:35:59 morning Sep 18 07:36:26 XorA: hey Sep 18 07:40:56 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8405931665.html Sep 18 07:41:11 morning Sep 18 07:43:30 hey den-ros Sep 18 07:48:54 Maybe this will be interesting for someone - opensource Flasher for Atmel ARM http://projects.org.ua/project/amw/arm/samba-0.2.0.tar.gz Sep 18 07:53:13 hey. hrw|work could you mind check the oe maillist, and have a look at "opie-freetype issue" ? Sep 18 07:58:37 can Sep 18 07:58:44 den-ros: lart them for such name Sep 18 08:00:11 hrw|work: agree Sep 18 08:01:11 4000 recipes reached Sep 18 08:01:25 NOTE: Handling BitBake files: \ (0758/4002) [18 %] Sep 18 08:01:34 woot Sep 18 08:02:20 kergoth: if we would still use old oecore then will it fit in 4G ram? :D Sep 18 08:03:18 hrw|work: :) Sep 18 08:11:31 Packaged contents of opie-freetype into /home/hrw/devel/build/oz-dev/tmp/deploy/ipk/opie-freetype_1.2.2+cvs-20060913-r0_armv5te.ipk Sep 18 08:13:52 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * reea65847... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): opie-freetype: package files, do not allow to rename package by debian.bbclass Sep 18 08:21:21 leoncamel: thx for noticing Sep 18 08:25:56 morning all Sep 18 08:26:43 hi RP Sep 18 08:27:50 hi likewise Sep 18 08:28:20 hrw|work: Hi hrw Sep 18 08:28:22 hi all Sep 18 08:29:13 Idea for OEDEM: compare packages in latest uClinux and buildroot with OE. Sep 18 08:29:47 likewise: OEDEM is more to plan what we're going to do rather than actually do it ;-) Sep 18 08:30:35 RP: ok, then this an idea for the plan :-) Sep 18 08:30:39 +is Sep 18 08:31:23 likewise: And of course we need people to help us carry out these plans ;-) Sep 18 08:33:01 RP: which of course I might be interested in :-) Sep 18 08:33:31 likewise: If you did it, I'm sure we'd incorportate the results Sep 18 08:34:05 RP: OK, I'll see if I can work on that, mainly uClinux. Sep 18 08:34:44 likewise: excellent :) Sep 18 08:34:59 Also, I read on the wiki about commercial support: consider working with micro payments in combination with IRC channel support. Sep 18 08:35:37 I suspect there are people here who would do that Sep 18 08:36:10 Yes, the problem is more in the companies wanting support: for medium/larger companies, these cashflows are not by the normal strict standards, paper work, bureaucracy etc, Sep 18 08:37:12 likewise: You mean its difficult for small companies? Sep 18 08:37:45 How can I disable the generation of "glibc-localedata*". I have set USE_NLS = "no" but this seems unrelated, as locales get built anyway. Sep 18 08:38:08 likewise: Do you mean running them under qemu or disable entirely? Sep 18 08:38:28 entirely Sep 18 08:38:40 you can;t Sep 18 08:39:17 RP: It's just I don't see medium to large companies accept the idea of paying micropayments, as the business model does not fit in their workflow/bureaucracy etc. Sep 18 08:40:18 likewise: Even small companies have issues with micropayments as they'd always go for bigger/longer jobs rather than very small ones Sep 18 08:40:59 RP: agreed Sep 18 08:41:57 likewise: kind of micropayments situations will be discussed Sep 18 08:46:15 hi mikearthur Sep 18 08:46:22 hey mikearthur Sep 18 08:47:41 hey lam Sep 18 08:47:47 s/lam/Liam/ Sep 18 08:47:50 hi Liam, mikearthur Sep 18 08:47:51 morning all, XorA Sep 18 08:47:58 hey RP, mikearthur Sep 18 08:50:22 hrw|work, hey, please check maillist. micky said it would be better solution. Sep 18 08:52:08 hi lardman, Liam Sep 18 08:53:22 ops. Sep 18 08:53:40 morning lrg, RP Sep 18 08:57:09 morning all Sep 18 08:57:45 hi Dirk Sep 18 08:57:53 hey Dirk Sep 18 08:58:11 hey Richard, Liam Sep 18 08:58:19 hi Dirk Sep 18 08:58:46 hi Marcin Sep 18 09:07:38 populate_staging is after install now? Sep 18 09:08:25 hi florian_kc Sep 18 09:09:36 hrw|work, hmm, i found that the do_package is process before the do_opie_install. So, that is unnormal, right ? Sep 18 09:09:53 yep - will push change for it Sep 18 09:10:49 hi all Sep 18 09:11:14 morning all Sep 18 09:17:32 leoncamel: update metadata, start new build from scratch (or manually rebuild all opie packages) Sep 18 09:17:50 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rb130be4a... 10/ (1 classes/opie.bbclass): Sep 18 09:17:50 opie.bbclass: move do_opie_install before do_package so we will have opie stuff packaged. Sep 18 09:17:50 Without this change opie_do_install was called after packaging. Sep 18 09:17:50 Changeset is a result of moving do_stage after do_install Sep 18 09:17:55 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rad5311d2... 10/ (1 packages/opie-freetype/opie-freetype.inc): opie-freetype: fix packaging in proper way: APPTYPE = 'plugin' Sep 18 09:19:14 hrw|work, so, this patch eea65847cfef3a7ff53e70dcfed248b5ad86b7fb should be roll back ? right ? Sep 18 09:19:44 leoncamel: update metadata Sep 18 09:19:58 hrw|work, OK. I am updating . Sep 18 09:20:29 hrw|work, so , I have to rebuild all opie-* package ? Sep 18 09:20:34 yes Sep 18 09:23:15 hrw|work, :). so , just now, I am focusing on the same line of your patch.. :) Sep 18 09:24:48 leoncamel: :) Sep 18 09:24:52 hi zecke Sep 18 09:24:53 hrw|work, OK. the new building is startup. :). Sep 18 09:24:56 zecke, hey. Sep 18 09:25:20 zecke, finally, hrw|work fix the bug yesterday. :) Sep 18 09:25:46 zecke, so, how are you doing ? :), thanks your trainning yesterday. :) Sep 18 09:26:48 hehe, I'm tired Sep 18 09:27:18 zecke, so, what time is there ? :) Sep 18 09:27:41 almost 12 o clock Sep 18 09:28:22 zecke, AM or PM ? Sep 18 09:29:28 AM Sep 18 09:29:45 leoncamel: you are US citizen? Sep 18 09:29:50 zecke, :). so , it's time to eat something , :) Sep 18 09:30:04 hrw|work, no. I come from China . :) Sep 18 09:31:53 hrw|work, so , what about you ? you live in Europ ? Sep 18 09:32:09 leoncamel: Poland, Europe Sep 18 09:32:23 leoncamel: China also use 12h time instead of 24h? Sep 18 09:32:45 leoncamel, :), that is a beautiful country, is that ? Sep 18 09:32:58 s/leoncamel/hrw|work . ;) Sep 18 09:33:38 hrw|work, yes, we use 12h time, and 24h time also. :) Sep 18 09:33:44 hrw|work: i thought it was a 26 hour day now Sep 18 09:33:54 :-) Sep 18 09:34:06 ade|desk, :). so, why ? Sep 18 09:34:10 ade|desk: not everyone moved to mars like you did Sep 18 09:34:45 ade|desk, :). Mars man, aha . :) Sep 18 09:35:51 well i work it out as being i should have 15 hours at home per day, thats what my company says i have , yet i do ~11 hours at work .. so days must be 26 hours Sep 18 09:36:13 hrw|work, so , how about the OEDEM ? Sep 18 09:36:49 leoncamel: read oedem page Sep 18 09:36:54 will someone record video ? Sep 18 09:37:15 mars has a better atmosphere than where i work ;) Sep 18 09:37:24 hrw|work, is there any live broadcasting for us ? Sep 18 09:37:36 oo that would be good Sep 18 09:38:17 leoncamel: rather not Sep 18 09:38:24 ade|desk: so thats why you hide in the desk Sep 18 09:38:59 hrw|work, come on, we need it . :) Sep 18 09:39:27 leoncamel: provide needed hardware? Sep 18 09:40:07 hrw|work, what ? Sep 18 09:40:46 leoncamel: for video streaming Sep 18 09:41:26 hrw|work, :(, I havn't that kind of hardware. Sep 18 09:42:01 leoncamel: we too Sep 18 09:43:33 * XorA has a spare webcam :-) Sep 18 09:43:54 XorA, WOW, :) Sep 18 09:43:58 XorA, cool. Sep 18 09:44:44 XorA: more like chained to the .. Sep 18 09:45:03 leoncamel: I will be in UK while OEDEM part is in .de though :-( Sep 18 09:46:15 OEDEM2 .. the UK back lash ? Sep 18 09:46:33 ade|desk: we party while they work :-) Sep 18 09:48:51 XorA: .. i thought that was the spanish way of life ;) Sep 18 09:56:16 hrw|work, the QTE_VERSION = 2.3.12 is ready or not ? Sep 18 09:59:18 leoncamel: I use 2.3.10 Sep 18 10:00:35 hrw|work, so, is is possible to use 2.3.12 ? Sep 18 10:01:24 it is Sep 18 10:02:44 hrw|work, :). OK. and what is your building server configuration there ? Sep 18 10:14:51 leoncamel: DISTRO="openzaurus-3.5.4.1" MACHINE="collie" MACHINE_KERNEL_VERSION = "2.4" - thats all Sep 18 10:22:28 This may sound like a really stupid question, but would it be possible to compile windows binaries with OE? Mingw? Sep 18 10:23:18 maybe, the cygwin is OK. but Mingw can't. Sep 18 10:46:05 leoncamel: Thank you for your answer. I am trying to compile Windows binaries on Linux. Not use OE on Windows. Or do you suggest to compile the binaries and use Cygwin as a compatibility layer? Sep 18 10:46:22 welcome back, psokolovsky_. Sep 18 10:46:41 Hi! Sep 18 10:47:26 granule runs on my SL-5500, but the program is not well adapted to the 320x240 screen. Sep 18 10:50:17 Laibsch, if you want me to tell test it too, just tell me where the latest .bb/patches are Sep 18 10:50:46 hey. psokolovsky_ .. :) Sep 18 10:54:15 ~lart amarok for using something from xmms Sep 18 10:54:15 * ibot duct-tapes amarok to the floor and drools on him for using something from xmms Sep 18 10:58:42 Laibsch: it would be possible to build mingw as toolchain Sep 18 10:58:51 Laibsch: we don't do that though Sep 18 10:59:10 psokolovsky_: Mine are at http://oz.leggewie.org/granule/ I think the ones that koen used are very similar. It would be great if you could test and leave a comment at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1560198&group_id=111131&atid=658403 with your results. Sep 18 11:00:12 zecke: I see. I was just wondering because this would allow me to keep things more centralized and let OE take care of all the hard work ;-) Sep 18 11:04:26 Laibsch: the apps must support mingw/win32 though :) Sep 18 11:08:46 morning Sep 18 11:11:04 Laibsch, ok, thanks. did you try to diff w/Koen's ones? Sep 18 11:11:47 no, I never saw them. He did describe to me what he did so I think the result should essentially be the same. Sep 18 11:11:48 Laibsch, I did a try to build mingw32 app with OE, and it worked (after 2 nights ;-) Sep 18 11:12:13 Well, I was looking to make things easier, not spend even more time with this ;-) Sep 18 11:14:16 Laibsch, I'm going to work towards adding mingw32 support, if maintainers are ok with that. But there're quite a few things to consider first. Sep 18 11:22:55 psokolovsky_: Great to hear. I look forward to it and will test it out when it is there. Sep 18 11:27:29 lrg: Tues or Weds? Sep 18 12:08:38 gd afternoon from dresden... Sep 18 12:10:16 hi greentux Sep 18 12:11:12 03MartinDietze 07org.oe.dev * rf4551e23... 10/ (1 packages/sysvinit/sysvinit_2.86.bb): sysvinit: use "ln -sf" for creating start links to avoid errors when re-building package. Sep 18 12:13:20 ping RP :) Sep 18 12:49:08 compilation of glibc-2.4 fails. which is needed for plucker. http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1421 What does "compiler support for __thread is required" mean? How do I get that support from the compiler? Sep 18 12:57:45 cu Sep 18 12:57:56 hrw|gone, bye Sep 18 12:59:46 hey ljp Sep 18 13:01:19 ~seen ljp Sep 18 13:01:22 ljp is currently on #htc-linux #oe #zaurus #openzaurus #openezx #opie #handhelds.org #elinux. Has said a total of 40 messages. Is idling for 16h 24m 41s, last said: 'I'll see what I can do!'. Sep 18 13:01:39 ~ibot Sep 18 13:01:43 i guess ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org// , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. Sep 18 13:03:37 ~seen minipanda Sep 18 13:03:41 minipanda is currently on #oe (7h 12m 45s), last said: 'crap, in $OESTUFF/build/tmp/rootfs/ have /dev, but in bootstrap-image.tar.gz, no!'. Sep 18 13:03:52 Laibsch: I did not know OE well, but such message can occure because used old version gcc (probably gcc<3.3(?) can not build projects use NPTL) Sep 18 13:04:17 den-ros, what is your configuration ? Sep 18 13:04:47 Angstrom hx4700 uClibc Sep 18 13:06:06 which version of gcc did you use ? Sep 18 13:07:00 den-ros: I do not seem to have any gcc 3 stuff in tmp/ Sep 18 13:09:15 Laibsch: checking for ARM TLS support... no Sep 18 13:09:15 | running configure fragment for nptl/sysdeps/pthread Sep 18 13:09:15 | configure: error: compiler support for __thread is required Sep 18 13:10:13 Laibsch: TLS need for NPTL Sep 18 13:14:58 greentux: pong Sep 18 13:15:10 ah hi RP Sep 18 13:15:28 hello greentux Sep 18 13:15:41 I want to ask You if You see a chance to do something with 2.6 on a greenphone... Sep 18 13:16:01 but no sources for 2.4 are areleased now... :( Sep 18 13:16:22 Laibsch: i need to study OE structure more well. Only that i can say now - there mustbe someting like /lib/tls/libthread libpthread(?)... etc Sep 18 13:16:28 ~seen leoncamel Sep 18 13:16:34 leoncamel is currently on #gpe (1h 12m 51s) #oe (1h 12m 51s) #edev (1h 12m 51s) #opie (1h 12m 51s) #handhelds.org (1h 12m 51s) #elinux (1h 12m 51s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 6s, last said: '~seen leoncamel'. Sep 18 13:16:50 greentux: The lack of sources would be a potential problem. I've done a port without sources before but its not fun :-/ Sep 18 13:17:42 RP: think I should have a talk with ljp... before. Sep 18 13:18:50 greentux: yes. I don't think trolltech will want to encourage a 2.6 port though as it would imply you didn't want to use qt on the device :-/ Sep 18 13:19:17 or certainly make it easier not too... Sep 18 13:19:29 RP: I will use qt of course... Sep 18 13:20:25 greentux: True, but you seem to be a minority in the qt world as most people seem to use 2.4 :-( Sep 18 13:20:41 RP: ah understand... mmmh Sep 18 13:21:20 ~lart most people for using 2.4 Sep 18 13:21:20 * ibot does a little 'dpkg -P most people' action for using 2.4 Sep 18 13:22:04 all should go back to 2.0 :-) Sep 18 13:22:21 greentux: hehe Sep 18 13:22:52 greentux: Why would anyone not use Linux2.4? Sep 18 13:23:11 greentux: Linux2.4 with gcc1.4 is the best match Sep 18 13:23:34 greentux: If You have a bump of 2.6 kernelmodules etc it ist not very easy to backport this... Sep 18 13:23:40 zecke: :) Sep 18 13:23:54 zecke: and all other hardware we support has a 2.6 kernel Sep 18 13:24:07 greentux: :) Sep 18 13:24:37 but there are no alternative smartphones with a open linux (2.6)... Sep 18 13:24:51 greentux: true Sep 18 13:25:18 zecke: news from road? Sep 18 13:25:52 do13_: not much. They presented the phone at the IFA, held a press conference and the currrent c't has a small note about the phone Sep 18 13:26:13 do13_: it looks like it is finally done Sep 18 13:27:45 zecke: Hmm. Only "Vorbestellung" button on the website Sep 18 13:28:22 zecke: I think they have problems to switch from prototype to mass production. its a lot of burocrazy Sep 18 13:28:57 greentux: probably at least the design is lead free :) Sep 18 13:29:43 greentux: as to the GREENPHONE. My understanding is it is rushed, they have licensed a prototype of a customer Sep 18 13:30:16 greentux: so both software and hardware are not done, and it is probably based on a MontaVista (like) rootfs/kernel Sep 18 13:30:33 greentux: and they are unlikely to upgrade their kernel this century Sep 18 13:31:11 zecke: I think its not lead free... :) Sep 18 13:31:24 zecke: but I have no problems with the lead problem ... Sep 18 13:31:44 greentux: let me take a look at the dictionary Sep 18 13:32:28 zecke: understand.sri Sep 18 13:35:48 somebody testedt that: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5248816122.html ? Sep 18 13:40:50 greentux: not me. I was quite happy with the karo boards Sep 18 13:41:17 zecke: karo? the one @road? Sep 18 13:42:03 * mrz80 is away: Metaphysically I'm still here; physically, I'm elsewhere Sep 18 13:42:14 greentux: no, www.karo-electronis-de or such Sep 18 13:42:35 greentux: it looks like you are in need of hardware? Sep 18 13:42:44 zecke: see, and the road boards were home made? Sep 18 13:43:03 zecke: not needing now, "watching" the market... Sep 18 13:43:50 greentux: designed in-house Sep 18 13:47:46 hopefully marvel will ship the monahans soon(tm) Sep 18 13:47:59 800Mhz Sep 18 13:48:26 * zecke tries to get his karo board alive again Sep 18 14:21:25 anyone have PyGTK experience? no one in the PyGTK channel will show signs of life Sep 18 14:21:26 :( Sep 18 14:36:31 * CosmicPenguin hugs multiple cores Sep 18 14:39:28 * mrz80 is back (gone 00:57:26) Sep 18 14:48:00 kergoth: are you around? Sep 18 14:54:03 sigh - time to start updating X to use GIT Sep 18 14:56:01 CosmicPenguin: poky has some X/git bits already Sep 18 14:57:50 kdrive Sep 18 14:57:53 thats not useful Sep 18 15:27:32 CosmicPenguin, the guys over on the fedora-devel list are going on about adding cross stuff to Fedora Sep 18 15:27:42 Good for them Sep 18 15:27:42 you mentioned an interest in using oe to make rpms Sep 18 15:27:50 definately - thats on my list Sep 18 15:27:52 I think they are nuts Sep 18 15:28:11 the will end up reinventing the wheel? Sep 18 15:29:05 How many "embedded build systems" are there? That wheel has been re-invented so many times, its seriously not funny Sep 18 15:29:14 yeah Sep 18 15:29:58 There is no way that RH will ever run anything they didn't grow them selves Sep 18 15:30:04 heh Sep 18 15:30:11 I keep prodding them Sep 18 15:30:35 that is the problem having too many smart people on the payroll Sep 18 15:33:59 can't OE already produce RPMS? Sep 18 15:34:22 mithro: we are close, we might even have an uncomitted patch for that Sep 18 15:34:31 mithro: a patch to fix some bugs Sep 18 15:37:28 it was working about 2 years ago :P Sep 18 15:37:38 evil bit rot Sep 18 15:39:02 uv1 fixed some stuff :) Sep 18 15:39:16 INHERIT += package_rpm and one should see errors Sep 18 15:39:36 I'll mention that to them :) Sep 18 15:40:52 2.4.20_mvlcee30-mainstone Sep 18 15:40:54 damn Sep 18 15:41:00 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=431 Sep 18 15:41:06 * freyther wants his macbook fixed... Sep 18 15:48:10 bitbake FC6 Sep 18 15:48:15 RPMs was the original way things went down in OE Sep 18 15:48:21 but that has definately suffered from bitrot Sep 18 15:48:30 partly because RPM is a cast iron bitch to compile in OE Sep 18 15:49:31 hrw|gone, OK. finally, my opie-image build successfully. :) Sep 18 15:49:45 I am amused at the concept of bitbake FC6 still Sep 18 15:49:55 leoncamel, congratulations! Sep 18 15:50:51 Crofton, so, what is FC6 ? Sep 18 15:51:01 Crofton, fecora core 6 ? Sep 18 15:51:01 Fedora Core 6 Sep 18 15:51:06 yeah Sep 18 15:51:11 Crofton, so. what is the problem ? Sep 18 15:51:16 non Sep 18 15:51:33 there is just a discussion about cross compilers on their list Sep 18 15:52:26 Crofton, OK. Sep 18 16:02:50 a+ Sep 18 16:14:30 I think every day I complain that there isn't a smart way to move patches up or down in the stack with stg Sep 18 16:14:33 yet I never do anything about it Sep 18 16:19:01 .... Sep 18 16:19:18 xTermII: trying to send me something? Sep 18 16:21:17 AvengerMoJ1: I think this is just a spam bot. Sep 18 16:24:01 Laibsch: thanks Sep 18 17:13:34 does anyone know of ram chips just stop working? Sep 18 17:14:30 later Sep 18 17:25:32 good morning all Sep 18 17:26:09 morning koen Sep 18 17:27:59 hey pH5 Sep 18 17:28:36 koen: do you have a working uclibc eabi image by now? Sep 18 17:29:38 nope Sep 18 17:29:47 gcc-cross had some troubles building Sep 18 17:29:53 will try later this week Sep 18 17:38:30 mickey|tv: oe.org now has a mtn-0.29 binary and a mtn-0.30 binary in /usr/bin Sep 18 17:43:00 ~lart vpns Sep 18 17:43:00 * ibot shoots vpns in his sleep Sep 18 17:45:40 ~lart cable modems Sep 18 17:45:40 * ibot takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down cable modems's throat until cable modems puts on 150lbs Sep 18 17:49:46 hi all Sep 18 17:49:58 hey pgfeller Sep 18 17:51:25 is it "allowed to create a .bb which just stages things to allow another package to build - or is this bad practice ( ... would have an empty do_install() & do_package()) Sep 18 17:52:02 pgfeller: that's basically what glibc-initial does Sep 18 17:52:34 koen: hey, if it makes you feel any better, I'm on GPRS/EDGE connection since the bloody local incubent still hasn't connected my adsp :P Sep 18 17:52:40 adsl, even Sep 18 17:52:50 koen: ok ... so'll do this to provide libvncserver.a Sep 18 17:53:03 suihkulokki: I did that a few years ago as well, while waiting for adsl Sep 18 17:55:01 right now I'm behind my parents sucky adsl connection, and the cable connection at home seems to be broken as well Sep 18 17:56:21 pgfeller: Which package are you working on ? Sep 18 17:56:22 suihkulokki: btw, I pointed martin guy to your OE/scratchbox toolchain Sep 18 18:06:09 hvontres: fbvncserver Sep 18 18:07:59 pgfeller: I think it's ok if it has a descriptive name like fbvncserver-bootstrap or fbvncserver-initial Sep 18 18:10:11 koen: as the vnc server lib is used by other SW packages as well (e.g. x11vnc, sdl vnc viewer) libfbvncserver-somthing would be my proposal Sep 18 18:11:51 pgfeller: as long as we can avoid complaints like "OMG, I bitbaked libfbvncserver-, but I have no package LOL" Sep 18 18:12:08 so should be something obvious :) Sep 18 18:12:23 koen: :) Sep 18 18:35:28 * mrz80 is away: Metaphysically I'm still here; physically, I'm elsewhere Sep 18 18:38:25 pgfeller: Cool. Are you also trying to get kbdsim working under 2.6 ? If so, I would love to test it on poodle :) Sep 18 18:39:43 hvontres: ... actually I've removed the need for kbdsim - I use uinput instead (like kbdd & x11vnc do) ... so it should work on all kernels which support uinput Sep 18 18:41:56 hvontres: ... have to go now (girlfriend & CSI :-) ... but remind me, when you see me on IRC again - so that I can prepare & send a package for you to test Sep 18 18:42:30 pgfeller: woot! Sep 18 18:42:51 ~help botmail Sep 18 18:43:06 ~botmail stats Sep 18 18:44:30 ~botmail pgfeller i'll be on till midnight GMT Sep 18 18:45:02 hi koen Sep 18 18:45:39 hey wogline Sep 18 18:51:07 * koen mumbles something about two different vpns and osx sucking Sep 18 18:51:18 *g* Sep 18 18:51:26 ~botmail stats Sep 18 18:51:33 their can only be one default route Sep 18 18:51:34 ~botmail check Sep 18 18:51:37 ~stats Sep 18 18:51:38 Since Wed Sep 6 15:38:15 2006, there have been 240 modifications, 1617 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1146 commands. I have been awake for 12d 3h 29m 38s this session, and currently reference 111618 factoids. I'm using about 18700 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 38136.18/2821.58 child 0.12/0.07 Sep 18 18:52:26 http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/oe.html.gz Sep 18 18:54:15 More info then we ever knew what to do with ;) Sep 18 18:56:08 :) i am in list... :) i am on 14 place :) Sep 18 18:56:45 koen: I wonder if we could teach ibot what hrw REALLY means by fsck :) Sep 18 18:57:05 den-ros brings happiness to the world. 23.5% lines contained smiling faces. :) - wow :) Sep 18 18:57:44 Happines in the world - computers never mistake :) Sep 18 18:58:24 hrw has potty mouth Sep 18 18:58:54 bother, now I want to get my score up Sep 18 19:00:44 That page is a riot... :) Sep 18 19:01:21 Has anyone built sudo recently? I'm getting an error for both collie and openslug (different build machine for each) Sep 18 19:03:14 Are there any udev/hotplug gurus around? Sep 18 19:07:52 how much of a guru do we need to be? Sep 18 19:08:01 blaster8: What the question about udev. Sep 18 19:08:16 well, SlugOS uses hotplug-ng Sep 18 19:08:22 sometimes it is best to ask the quesiton Sep 18 19:08:41 And I would like to load firmware to a networking device Sep 18 19:08:54 specifically, the IXP425 NPE Sep 18 19:09:08 The issue is that I can find no good documentation anywhere :) Sep 18 19:09:26 blaster8: welcome to linux Sep 18 19:09:38 thankyou, I'll be here all week Sep 18 19:09:51 joshin: | checking max length of uid_t... configure: error: cannot run test program while cross compiling ? Sep 18 19:10:40 koen: yeah, right around there... I was getting a syntax error at line 26554 of configure. Sep 18 19:11:08 aah Sep 18 19:11:41 http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/669628.html Sep 18 19:11:53 apparently hotplug-ng doesn't support firmware upload Sep 18 19:11:57 yay Sep 18 19:12:13 ok, any good alternatives to hotplug-ng? Sep 18 19:13:45 blaster8: hotplug is dead iirc Sep 18 19:13:56 blaster8: udev seems to handle firmware stuff right now Sep 18 19:14:09 ok, I'll go in that direction Sep 18 19:14:13 suspected as much :) Sep 18 19:14:22 http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=e7d24f7f731de72cf1c6a2dd55f36590d951f3b4 Sep 18 19:15:43 thanks Sep 18 19:19:13 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r82391b42... 10/ (1 site/arm-linux-uclibcgnueabi): site/arm-linux-uclibcgnueabi: copied from arm-linux-uclibc Sep 18 19:22:28 re Sep 18 19:29:46 ~botmail for likewise: gcc 4.1.1 should have all the buildroot/uclibc patches applied Sep 18 19:31:01 koen: (you dropped off for a minute) yeah, right around there... I am getting a syntax error at line 26554 of configure. Sep 18 19:31:11 same here Sep 18 19:31:28 and doiing do_configure() {oe_runconf} fails as well Sep 18 19:33:10 any clue as to where it's set that the preferred version of udev for slugos is 092? Sep 18 19:33:23 I've checked all of the conf directory (!) Sep 18 19:37:18 koen, I'll go file a bug report then. Sep 18 19:37:53 blaster8: No idea, friend. Sep 18 19:38:00 fwiw, busybox has a sudo applet as well Sep 18 19:38:00 mm, think I solved it Sep 18 19:38:12 but I guess you want the real deal for your purposes Sep 18 19:38:29 I don't understand how to force bitbake to build new versions of packages after updating the tree Sep 18 19:38:52 it will build them automagically if you bumped either PV or PR Sep 18 19:40:39 I think mvista have broken ntohl in their glibc Sep 18 19:41:06 zecke why? Sep 18 19:42:00 woglinde: can show it to you :) Sep 18 19:42:30 woglinde: somehow I have issues with IP/UDP/FLUTE on the phone we have picked up on Wednesday Sep 18 19:42:44 koen, I'll try that. (Didn't think to check busybox) Great idea! Sep 18 19:43:05 woglinde: oh btw. I have finally powered my triton270 board Sep 18 19:43:12 woglinde: the Shark network plug works with it Sep 18 19:43:13 zecke: the road phone was in the linx mag my dad bought Sep 18 19:43:14 zecke oh Sep 18 19:43:27 zecke: as well as the gr$$nphone Sep 18 19:43:42 koen: In the current version of C't was a small article about the ROAD phone as well Sep 18 19:43:47 * koen proposes to rename is to the 'greedphone' Sep 18 19:43:57 koen: psst ;) Sep 18 19:44:13 I don't have a subscription to C't anymore Sep 18 19:44:37 koen: Where the articles translated? or did you read the german version? Sep 18 19:44:47 german version Sep 18 19:45:27 woglinde: http://www.flickr.com/photos/antenne/104589864/in/set-72057594074631283/ Sep 18 19:48:23 zecke: /me see familiar symbols :) Sep 18 19:49:31 Stupid debug question: The kernel I'm exposed to has no AF_PACKET and I have no possibility to load this module Sep 18 19:49:51 zecke: you're screwed Sep 18 19:49:58 is there an easy way to receive datagrams, write them to a file and view them with wireshark Sep 18 19:49:59 hm yes kgb Sep 18 19:50:09 only mate dealer in berlin Sep 18 19:52:04 woglinde: I will need to get this RIM like XDA Sep 18 19:54:35 what? Sep 18 19:54:41 the new xda? Sep 18 19:54:44 with GPS? Sep 18 19:54:48 woglinde: http://scr3.golem.de/?d=0609/xda_orbit_xda_cosmo&a=47868&s=1 Sep 18 19:54:52 yes Sep 18 19:58:45 http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/ Sep 18 19:58:49 doesn't work Sep 18 20:18:39 Whats the upside/downside of starting a project at sourceforge? I want that to create a cvs/mt server Sep 18 20:19:38 Kristoffer: you mean a server that does both at once? Sep 18 20:19:52 Kristoffer: have you checked out the cvssync branch of monotone? Sep 18 20:20:18 No a server that does any of those..doesnt matter which (of course I prefer monotone) Sep 18 20:20:36 just wanna know abit about sourceforge projects, what do they demand of me? Sep 18 20:21:41 none of the big hosting projects provide monotone support, they're being (understandably) conservative. But to build our case, tbrownaw is running http://mtn-host.prjek.net/ , which might serve your needs :-) Sep 18 20:22:50 Kristoffer: I'm still nto sure what you're asking. sf.net doesn't cost anything and doesn't force you to *do* anything...you can create a project and just sit on it if you like Sep 18 20:23:44 I dont got any possibility to put a cvs or mt server up on my webspace. So Im looking for other solutions. Sep 18 20:23:47 thats basicly it Sep 18 20:25:17 njs, I got quite a large amount of data..So whats the limit with that? Sep 18 20:26:25 Kristoffer: not sure -- you can ask tbrownaw in #monotone, I guess, or on the list Sep 18 20:26:30 (#monotone is on irc.oftc.net) Sep 18 20:26:38 Kristoffer: well, sf.net will give you cvs and I think they do svn now...no mtn, though Sep 18 20:26:56 njs, thx Sep 18 20:31:04 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * r0ba38ca1... 10/ (1 conf/distro/jlime-donkey.conf): Sep 18 20:31:04 conf/distro/jlime-donkey.conf: Set preferred_provider for libsdl Sep 18 20:31:04 * Use libsdl-x11 instead of non-building libsdl-gpe Sep 18 20:33:07 seen ~lpj Sep 18 20:33:13 ~seen lpj Sep 18 20:33:28 greentux: i haven't seen 'lpj' Sep 18 20:33:42 ~seen ljp Sep 18 20:33:50 ljp is currently on #htc-linux #oe #zaurus #openzaurus #openezx #opie #handhelds.org #elinux. Has said a total of 40 messages. Is idling for 23h 57m 11s, last said: 'I'll see what I can do!'. Sep 18 20:51:36 * JustinP migrates to monotone 0.30 for fun Sep 18 20:56:14 RP: ping Sep 18 20:56:21 likewise: pong Sep 18 20:56:34 RP: why was this change, do you remember? http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=33001ff22f95feed0938740b8c095071b9518441 Sep 18 20:57:16 likewise: Because anything using that class is going to need gconf? Sep 18 20:58:56 RP: I think the gnome class brings in gconf, but my minimal set of packages, while depending on gnome, does not use gconf. So maybe the gnome class should not bring in gconf. Sep 18 20:59:24 RP: but I will investigate further tomorrow, I cannot access my build machine atm. Sep 18 20:59:28 likewise: Its possible the gnome class shouldn't Sep 18 20:59:42 RP: ack. will check that out. Sep 18 20:59:45 likewise: The gconf class bringing in gconf is fair enough though ;-) Sep 18 20:59:52 RP: huh, yes :-) Sep 18 20:59:58 RP: tnx Sep 18 21:00:39 RP: I am building a very minimal set of packages, and always run into the dependency tree explosion problem :-/ Sep 18 21:02:38 * mrz80 is back (gone 02:27:11) Sep 18 21:03:02 likewise: Remeber that even though it might depend on it, it might not end up in the images Sep 18 21:04:20 RP: that needs RDEPEND relationship, right? Sep 18 21:05:02 likewise: right Sep 18 21:05:35 bye Sep 18 21:05:42 RP: someday, I'll grasp all this (I think) Sep 18 21:24:04 hi Sep 18 21:25:03 hi Sep 18 21:27:35 nite Sep 18 21:37:38 gd n8 Sep 18 21:46:17 stupid python Sep 18 21:54:46 os.path.exists() doesn't grok \ Sep 18 21:54:56 escaped spaces Sep 18 22:03:32 heh, I am going to kicked off fedora-dev for pointing out they are reinventing the wheel Sep 18 22:03:51 why bother? Sep 18 22:03:57 fun Sep 18 22:04:05 doesn't sound like much fun to me Sep 18 22:04:09 procrastinating writing a report Sep 18 22:06:50 ~dict procrastinating Sep 18 22:06:52 Dictionary 'procrastinating' (1 of 2): Micawberish, backward, contemplative, culpably negligent, dallying, delaying, derelict, dilatory, dillydallying, do-nothing, dormant, easygoing, foot-dragging, idle, immobile, inactive, inadvertent, inattentive, inert, lackadaisical, laggard, lagging, laissez-aller, laissez-faire, lax, lazy, lingering, loitering, loose, ... Sep 18 22:07:06 lies Sep 18 22:07:09 =D Sep 18 22:07:40 http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=315 Sep 18 22:08:27 Crofton: =D Sep 18 22:13:30 Crofton, how can they reinvent the wheel? they helped invent it in the first place Sep 18 22:15:02 heh Sep 18 22:16:35 if anything, they are re-inventing Montavista's wheel Sep 18 22:16:40 I suspect it is a very small, but voval, minority on the list Sep 18 22:18:14 note to self - modifying package work areas with multi-threaded BB enabled is just asking for trouble Sep 18 22:19:31 fedora is probably just trying to push itself into replacing RHE on workstations Sep 18 22:20:09 since it's old man doenst have much to do with it anymore Sep 18 22:21:34 Hi, when trying to compile sectest-gpe-image, on the minimo-0.0cvs20060102-r8 compilation it fails. The log reports /zaurus/build/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-linux/3.4.4/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lxpcom Does anyone know what the problem could be Sep 18 22:22:02 SonicvanaJr: sounds like it can't find the xpcom lib.... Sep 18 22:22:50 Good point, thanks Sep 18 22:23:13 lol Sep 18 23:19:48 koen|awa1: was packaged-staging ever finished? Sep 18 23:36:48 koen|awa1: btw, if you remember my weird log_check problem. Turns out ubuntu is replacing the /bin/sh symlink with a symlink to "dash". This breaks log_check somehow. Sep 18 23:50:00 hi Sep 19 00:48:56 ~dict kagi Sep 19 00:48:59 could not find definition for kagi Sep 19 00:59:20 ~dict kangi Sep 19 00:59:22 could not find definition for kangi Sep 19 00:59:31 odd that should be in it Sep 19 00:59:43 maybe its with a j Sep 19 00:59:47 ~dict kanji Sep 19 00:59:49 Dictionary 'kanji' /kahn'jee/ (From the Japanese "kan" - the Chinese Han dynasty, and "ji" - {glyph} or letter of the alphabet. Not capitalised. Plural "kanji") The Japanese word for a {Han character} used in Japanese. Kanji constitute a part of the {writing system} used to represent the Japanese language in written, printed and ... Sep 19 01:03:53 emte, :) . are you learning nihongo ? Sep 19 01:06:09 niwhowhatho? Sep 19 01:09:49 emte, :). Nihongo == Japanese . :) Sep 19 01:09:52 cu Sep 19 01:10:50 * v8jlene is back Sep 19 01:18:48 Anyone know what package lib xpcom is located in Sep 19 01:19:54 probably part of mozilla Sep 19 02:22:30 hey, folks. ;) Sep 19 02:22:33 morning ~! Sep 19 02:23:27 minipanda: morning ~! Sep 19 02:23:55 where is ti morning? Sep 19 02:24:35 Crofton: :) Sep 19 02:33:03 CIA is a employee of FBI ? Sep 19 02:33:32 heh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 19 02:59:57 2006