**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 21 02:59:57 2006 Sep 21 06:47:19 good morning all Sep 21 07:01:31 koen, morning Sep 21 07:14:54 koen: morning I guess. late night here, but whatever Sep 21 07:15:06 hey leoncamel & JustinP Sep 21 07:23:50 morning Sep 21 07:26:21 hi Sep 21 07:29:18 hrw|work: hi Sep 21 07:30:36 I'm adding unixODBC to OE, but OE doesn't accept the package name "unixODBC" Sep 21 07:30:36 has any tried to add newlib to OE? Sep 21 07:30:48 O_Neil: no capital letters allowed Sep 21 07:30:54 yes Sep 21 07:31:02 so I changed the package name to unixodbc Sep 21 07:31:27 and then you did S = "${WORKDIR}/unixODBC-${PV}"? Sep 21 07:31:31 but the shlibdeps requires "unixODBC (>=2.2.11)" Sep 21 07:31:35 yes Sep 21 07:31:48 ah, right Sep 21 07:32:07 you still have the shlibs lying around from the build with unixODBC as PN Sep 21 07:32:39 so I need to change PN to unixodbc? Sep 21 07:33:28 no, rm staging//shlibs/*ODBC* Sep 21 07:34:31 haha Sep 21 07:34:56 it's very difficult to debug ;) Sep 21 07:40:02 I wonder if debian.bbclass should bail out earlier Sep 21 07:47:27 koen: thanks Sep 21 07:53:20 later all Sep 21 08:01:02 morning Sep 21 08:10:14 hi XorA Sep 21 08:10:20 good morning Sep 21 08:10:27 XorA: @wm or not yet? Sep 21 08:10:29 hi florian_kc Sep 21 08:15:35 hrw|work: monday Sep 21 08:16:33 ah Sep 21 08:21:53 hrw|work: I have 3.5.4.1 on my Z, nice peice of work BTW, thanks Sep 21 08:23:27 morning all Sep 21 08:23:32 hey RP Sep 21 08:25:32 XorA: ;) Sep 21 08:25:34 hi RP Sep 21 08:25:57 Making the collie kernel fit into 1MB is painful :-( Sep 21 08:26:01 XorA: kernel update soon Sep 21 08:26:03 RP: yep ;( Sep 21 08:26:19 RP: making collie/2.6 usable is painful too Sep 21 08:28:07 hrw|work: The lack of SD or other issues? Sep 21 08:28:12 other Sep 21 08:28:23 RP: 3.5.4.2-rc2 bootstrap finally works Sep 21 08:30:25 I have to test task-base functionality Sep 21 08:30:30 hi RP Sep 21 08:30:37 hrw|work: for collie? Sep 21 08:30:47 hrw|work: or in general? Sep 21 08:32:46 RP: general - having it in .oz354x Sep 21 08:33:07 hrw|work: ah, right. I hadn't noticed you'd merged that :) Sep 21 08:34:56 RP: not merged it yet - first have to check how it works etc Sep 21 08:36:32 hrw|work: It probably needs improving but we should be able to make it do what we need Sep 21 08:36:42 hrw|work: 2.6.18? Sep 21 08:36:52 XorA: no - 2.6.16 wirh few addons Sep 21 08:38:07 hrw|work: ah, that probably not important until terrier arrves Sep 21 08:39:49 XorA: 1. maxpower limit info 2. pxa overlay 3. orinoco/hostap hack Sep 21 08:39:50 XorA: It'd be interesting to see if 2.6.18 hostap works for you Sep 21 08:40:04 RP: I was just going to build it Sep 21 08:41:18 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rcf9fea03... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): linux-oz-2.6.18: Fix locomo patch on collie, update collie defconfig so it builds and fits the device, update pxafb_changeres patch Sep 21 08:46:25 hi mikearthur Sep 21 08:51:17 hey liam mike Sep 21 08:59:17 hi zecke Sep 21 09:00:43 hey Sep 21 09:12:19 RP: pxafb_changeres-r2.patch 404 not found Sep 21 09:16:25 morning hrw|work Sep 21 09:18:20 oooops, just killed 3.5.4.1 with irda Sep 21 09:26:18 Anyone here know much about Tremor? Sep 21 09:27:09 XorA: sorry, fixed Sep 21 09:28:21 Cwiiis: I used to but I cut down on the booze Sep 21 09:28:31 Cwiiis: :P Sep 21 09:29:08 T0mW: I'm trying to port the GStreamer vorbisdec plugin to use tremor (currently its tremor plug-in can read ogg files, but not vorbis streams) - does anything look wrong in this: http://www.o-hand.com/~chris/ivorbis.diff ? Sep 21 09:30:33 T0mW: You can assume that before the diff, it's a working vorbis decoder that uses libvorbis :) Sep 21 09:31:10 Cwiiis: erm, isnt ogg the container and vorbis the codec? Sep 21 09:31:34 XorA: Yes - but libvorbis (and Tremor) have functions to load and play ogg files as well as manipulating vorbis streams Sep 21 09:31:59 XorA: And currently the GStreamer Tremor plug-in only handles ogg files (making it pretty useless if you have a vorbis stream in another context, such as a video, or streaming from the web) Sep 21 09:32:02 Cwiiis: so, your saying you can read the file, but the vorbis stream n it doesnt play? Sep 21 09:32:28 XorA: Playing ogg files is fine, playing videos with ogg audio in a different container format isn't Sep 21 09:33:44 (and using vorbisparse / oggmux before passing it to tremor isn't working either) Sep 21 09:34:19 hrw|work: files Irda bug for 3.5.4.1 Sep 21 09:34:57 XorA: gpe? opie? Sep 21 09:35:04 hrw|work: says in the bug Sep 21 09:35:22 ok Sep 21 09:35:35 XorA: linked it to 3.5.4.2 metabug? Sep 21 09:35:49 hrw|work: no, didnt know there was one Sep 21 09:36:24 there is one Sep 21 09:37:08 1401? Sep 21 09:37:35 iirc Sep 21 09:37:50 ah.. 3.5.4.2... you have 3.5.4.1 Sep 21 09:37:50 or 1318? Sep 21 09:37:50 there sare two Sep 21 09:37:55 will look Sep 21 09:44:02 XorA: 1318 is for official images, 1401 for experimental ones Sep 21 09:44:41 XorA: now do not add to any - I will check it on poodle/tosa one day Sep 21 09:47:01 hrw|work: ok Sep 21 09:47:47 * XorA feels all oldskewl usng Irda Sep 21 09:49:35 ;) Sep 21 09:50:28 bluetooth is just so much work in Linux though Sep 21 09:51:19 morning morning Sep 21 09:54:10 hi ade|desk Sep 21 09:55:37 yo ade|desk Sep 21 10:06:15 * XorA curses as he forgot to delete initrd.bin Sep 21 10:07:57 and to compound the error, kernel is set to boot of SD Sep 21 10:08:07 ~lart me for being the stupidest person on #oe Sep 21 10:08:07 * ibot takes a big bite out of xora's jugular vein for being the stupidest person on #oe Sep 21 10:46:18 RP: still hostap hardlockup under 2.6.18 Sep 21 10:47:12 /dev/hda5 4,0G 3,4G 362M 91% / Sep 21 10:47:14 argh. Sep 21 10:53:53 hrw|work: Irda bug is stll present in 2.6.18 Sep 21 10:54:12 ok Sep 21 10:57:23 tmbinc: hey, I have one question :) Sep 21 10:57:41 :) Sep 21 10:58:52 tmbinc: I have to decide on DVB-T and DVB-C and I'm not sure what I want :} Sep 21 10:59:24 i'd go for DVB-T because it's free - most DVB-C are encrypted today Sep 21 10:59:27 and encryption sucks Sep 21 10:59:43 yes, and I'm still one of those paying premiere customers Sep 21 11:00:40 ah Sep 21 11:00:40 ok Sep 21 11:01:25 you could go for 1x -T and 1x -C, but currently the logic which merges identical channels (say "Das Erste" via DVB-T and "Das Erste" via DVB-C) is somewhere between not existing and totally broken. Sep 21 11:01:56 these are PCI Adapters? Sep 21 11:02:46 tmbinc: my last question is. what was your email address again? Sep 21 11:03:10 tmbinc@elitedvb.net Sep 21 11:03:12 no not PCI Sep 21 11:03:18 just tuners (parallel TS + I2C) Sep 21 11:49:01 mickey|bbl: ping Sep 21 12:05:24 I'm using bootstrap-image and want to add wireless-tools to the image but don't want to change bootstrap-image.bb, is that an RDEPENDS or something like that that I can put into my machine config? Sep 21 12:05:44 hi zecke T0mW Sep 21 12:05:45 BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_DEPENDS in local.conf Sep 21 12:05:56 thank you Sep 21 12:06:03 I always forget RDEPENDS versus DEpeNDS though :) Sep 21 12:06:34 does "BOOTSTRAP" refer to bootstrap-image ? the left side of the '-' ? Sep 21 12:06:55 I think bootstrap-image looks for that var to add extra packages Sep 21 12:07:06 nod Sep 21 12:07:14 I think local.conf.sample will have an example? Sep 21 12:07:41 nope Sep 21 12:08:11 another problem Sep 21 12:08:26 I have a binary-only kernel module, I don't have the source for it. Sep 21 12:08:51 do you have any suggestions how i could incorporate that into my filesystem root image? Sep 21 12:08:55 I suspect there is a way to do it Sep 21 12:08:59 isn't that illegal? Sep 21 12:09:01 ipkg? Sep 21 12:09:02 but I am not sure Sep 21 12:09:29 koen: yeah, but we cannot get the wankers to release the source Sep 21 12:09:30 T0mW: have a look at sharp-binary-only* in OE Sep 21 12:09:32 this is America, even the president can break the law :) Sep 21 12:09:38 koen: ok Sep 21 12:10:28 Crofton: the DMCA only applies to those with income levels of less than $10 million Sep 21 12:10:33 does the web page explain the difference between depends and rdepends? Sep 21 12:10:52 right, money gets you anything Sep 21 12:11:08 smart lawyers Sep 21 12:11:54 america Land of the Lawyers ... Sep 21 12:12:08 and huge corporations :) Sep 21 12:12:41 once I gave up trying to build a gpe-image and focused on the simpler bootstrap-image for the Zipit, this OE is kind of fun. Sep 21 12:12:59 yeah, best master bootstrap-image first Sep 21 12:17:53 03MartinDietze 07org.oe.dev * ra195e28b... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Sep 21 12:17:53 elvis: some finetuning Sep 21 12:17:53 * added update-alternatives calls to replace/set /bin/vi link Sep 21 12:17:53 * minor fixes to configuration in elvis-tiny to avoid warnings when loading Sep 21 12:18:04 03MartinDietze 07org.oe.dev * rfed91ab3... 10/ (5 files in 5 dirs): busybox: removed BZIP2 feature from nylon config, it was redundant since bzip2 is installed anyway Sep 21 12:19:09 Crofton: looks like RDEPENDS is the one to use Sep 21 12:20:07 cool Sep 21 12:20:28 you can also build ipks and install them after booting Sep 21 12:21:28 Crofton: if have read/write rootfs which is not always true Sep 21 12:21:54 brb Sep 21 12:22:34 in the initscript /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm why make a loop on the xtscal ? Sep 21 12:22:44 while [ ! -z $TSLIB_TSDEVICE ] && [ ! -f /etc/pointercal ] Sep 21 12:22:44 do Sep 21 12:22:44 /usr/bin/xtscal Sep 21 12:22:44 done Sep 21 12:23:11 Genesis: until user calibrate screen show calibrate tool Sep 21 12:31:22 koen: cool! the sharp-binary-only is just what I need! Sep 21 12:48:29 that block the script , perharp we could add a rule to stop the script /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm when it call with stop Sep 21 12:51:21 afternoon Sep 21 13:58:50 koen, xserver-kdrive-X11R7.1-1.1.0 depends on "libsdl-qpe-1.2.7:" ? is this correct ? Sep 21 13:59:25 if you have set that as preferred provider for libsdl, yes Sep 21 13:59:42 koen, Ok. I will check it . Sep 21 14:05:12 koen, http://pastebin.ca/178690 Sep 21 14:05:55 koen, So. I don't know which lib is builded by arm-linux-g++. Sep 21 14:06:18 I think libsdl-qpe is broken Sep 21 14:07:22 I removed qmake* from my OE tree, so I don't have to deal with (qt)opi(a)(e) b0rkage Sep 21 14:09:02 koen, OK. Sep 21 14:09:11 koen, hmm, you mean o-hand ? Sep 21 14:09:46 ? Sep 21 14:10:39 I suggest setting libsdl-x11 default provider for sdl Sep 21 14:10:41 koen, I though you are working on o-hand.com . ;) Sep 21 14:10:45 ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-base: kernel-image- Sep 21 14:10:48 WTF?? Sep 21 14:10:57 hrw|work, OK. I will try it . Sep 21 14:11:00 XorA: looks like a typo Sep 21 14:11:11 leoncamel: no, I'm not working for o-hand Sep 21 14:11:17 maybe I will in the future :) Sep 21 14:11:37 koen, how about o-hand ? and its feature . :) Sep 21 14:12:11 koen, is it possible hire some off-shore employee ? Sep 21 14:12:24 koen: I cant find kernel-image reference in task-base Sep 21 14:12:56 XorA: how about in images? Sep 21 14:13:09 leoncamel: depends on the laws in your country Sep 21 14:13:30 koen, what do you mean exactly ? Sep 21 14:14:01 hrw|work: or there Sep 21 14:18:53 XorA: sorry.. I meant modules Sep 21 14:19:03 time to go to home or what? Sep 21 14:20:04 hrw|work: checking Sep 21 14:20:17 hrw|work: what would cause a bogus depend like that in modules? Sep 21 14:25:16 hrw|work, OMG, libsdl-x11 is broken ? Sep 21 14:25:39 libsdl-x11 is working fine over here Sep 21 14:25:52 koen, http://pastebin.ca/178709 Sep 21 14:26:06 | configure.in:285: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_ALSA Sep 21 14:26:29 koen, which version there ? Sep 21 14:27:10 XorA: each kernel-module depend on kernel-image Sep 21 14:27:42 I looked at -mm merge plans. This branch has LOT of stuff in patches... Sep 21 14:28:09 hrw|work: all seem to depend on kernel-image-2.6.16 Sep 21 14:28:36 which is ok Sep 21 14:30:26 hrw|work, OK. I got it. I havn't build alsa yet. Sep 21 14:30:58 hrw|work: found it, bogus kernel_2.6.18.ipk Sep 21 14:31:04 hrw|work: cheers for hint Sep 21 14:31:44 np Sep 21 14:31:52 XorA: feed browser next time Sep 21 14:34:14 hrw|work: dont have that on my machine :-) Sep 21 14:34:41 XorA: you do not have web browser? Sep 21 14:35:08 hrw|work: I am work-ssh-gateway-ssh-buldmachine Sep 21 14:35:39 that reminds me my way to get into this machine from home ;) Sep 21 14:35:56 and my ADSL sucks :-( Sep 21 14:35:57 o dear god Sep 21 14:36:02 zgcc for oz Sep 21 14:36:06 ssh -t user@onemachine -t ssh hrw@IP Sep 21 14:36:16 death to zpeople zprepending zz zto zeverything Sep 21 14:37:33 zkoen: zthere zwas zzgcc zimage zsome ztime zago zfor zsharprom zpowered zso zit zis znothing zstrange zto zme zthat zMeanie zcreated zsuch zone zfor zoz Sep 21 14:38:10 zstill zvery zannoying Sep 21 14:38:17 hmm Sep 21 14:38:23 'zannoying' Sep 21 14:38:23 zI zjust zhope zthat zMeanie zwill zsend zfixes zor zsuggestion zback zto zus Sep 21 14:38:28 * koen writes that down Sep 21 14:39:00 rule 5 of http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ :) Sep 21 14:39:09 * koen heads out to pick up the OE t-shirts Sep 21 14:39:12 bbl Sep 21 14:39:30 hrw|work: Is there a native-sdk meta ipk available? Sep 21 14:39:39 koen: http://independentsources.com/2006/07/12/worst-company-urls/ Sep 21 14:40:01 lardman: iirc not Sep 21 14:40:31 hrw|work:That might be worthwhile to easy the installation Sep 21 14:40:59 wow, initrd.bin is 128M I think I screwed up Sep 21 14:41:29 is there simple program to test my framebuffer ? Sep 21 14:43:47 cat /dev/random /dev/fb0 Sep 21 14:43:59 >/dev/fb0 Sep 21 14:44:10 that'll do it Sep 21 14:46:10 XorA, oh, it works . :) Sep 21 14:46:30 XorA, But opie crashed . :( Sep 21 14:57:42 how can I enable all debug message in opie ? Sep 21 14:57:44 * chouimat|away is away: Interview and stuff Sep 21 14:59:17 http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/index.php/v/Koen/los/IMG_6018.JPG.html?q=gallery <- ph34r Sep 21 15:07:54 koen, wow. I want buy one .. :) Sep 21 15:14:36 t-shirt is cool, not sure about the dodgy geezer though :-) Sep 21 15:15:03 :) Sep 21 15:15:08 * koen should shave Sep 21 15:16:06 gah, the secret OE army all have t-shrits now Sep 21 15:30:37 koen, what's that in the girl hands ? Sep 21 15:31:54 which girl? Sep 21 15:32:24 koen, http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/index.php/v/Koen/buitenland/amerika2005/everglades/P7061313.jpg.html?q=gallery Sep 21 15:32:43 koen, a small crocodile ? Sep 21 15:32:54 a baby alligator Sep 21 15:33:37 koen, wow, that's cool. where did you take it ? Sep 21 15:34:06 on a tour-boot in the everglades (florida) Sep 21 15:34:56 koen, wow. very interesting tour. ;) Sep 21 15:35:47 a+ Sep 21 15:49:53 begs the question of who the lady is Sep 21 16:24:26 * mrz80 is away: Metaphysically I'm still here; physically, I'm elsewhere Sep 21 16:32:01 hi all Sep 21 16:35:38 ~seen RP Sep 21 16:35:53 rp is currently on #gpe (7d 15h 19m 44s) #oe (7d 15h 19m 44s) #openzaurus (7d 15h 19m 44s) #handhelds.org (7d 15h 19m 44s). Has said a total of 342 messages. Is idling for 7h 8m 46s, last said: 'XorA: sorry, fixed'. Sep 21 16:42:55 there haven't been any changes lately that would cause building bootstrp-image to complain Sep 21 16:43:27 about not finding /sbn/depmod in the image when trying to build the jffs2 image? Sep 21 16:43:51 A guy trying to build for the omap5912osk machine sesnt me this in an email Sep 21 16:44:45 RP, you there man? Sep 21 16:47:02 Kristoffer: yes Sep 21 16:47:21 hi RP Sep 21 16:47:28 hi cedricb Sep 21 16:47:48 RP, Im looking for a fresh kernel. Im deciding wether or not to do a openzaurus build, setup crosstool or just download it from somewhere Sep 21 16:48:07 Kristoffer: A kernel for what? :) Sep 21 16:48:13 crosstool? Sep 21 16:48:14 eeew Sep 21 16:48:14 RP, My spitz of course :D Sep 21 16:48:26 koen, crosstool works perfectly fine for kernel builds :P Sep 21 16:48:29 just build a kernel from OE .dev Sep 21 16:48:44 Otherwise you'll have to find all our patches Sep 21 16:49:03 RP, oki. Will do that then :) Will take a couple of hours.. Sep 21 16:49:10 Kristoffer: use 2.6.17 (2.6.18 is very new) Sep 21 16:49:11 and package all kernel modules and out-of-tree modules Sep 21 16:49:15 RP: wondering, if you did build oz from .dev recently? it can't find the rootfs... Sep 21 16:49:18 and pray the compiler are compatible Sep 21 16:49:23 'evening all Sep 21 16:49:30 hey cyrilRomain Sep 21 16:50:50 RP, setting up openzaurus-unstable. Sep 21 16:51:17 cedricb: Possibly not for poodle since I added task-base Sep 21 16:51:18 RP: that's poodle 2.6, bootstrap Sep 21 16:52:22 RP: I've got 2.6.16-r27 build and a bootstrap from 14/09 Sep 21 16:53:43 if I boot with my kernel and the bootstrap from oz 3.5.4.2, it's ok, so... I've check the fstab and the root points to mtdblock2 Sep 21 16:56:00 cedricb: Strange. I don't think I've touched anything in .dev which would change that Sep 21 16:57:56 * mrz80 is back (gone 00:33:30) Sep 21 16:57:59 RP: ok a part of fstab, which bit should messed up the kernel to find the initrd? Sep 21 16:59:18 cedricb: I don't understand the queston Sep 21 16:59:22 cedric: none, you need to change CMDLINE Sep 21 17:00:12 koen, RP: cmdline points to /dev/mtdblock2 Sep 21 17:00:18 RP: any know and serious issues with oz-2.6.18? Sep 21 17:00:31 known* Sep 21 17:00:48 * koen recovered his c700 Sep 21 17:01:12 koen: No known issues, but nobodys booted it either to my knowledge ;-) Sep 21 17:01:17 :) Sep 21 17:01:25 btw, I have a bug in the kernel build system Sep 21 17:01:56 I need a break from the computer screen - back later :-/ Sep 21 17:02:00 The scripts, in the ixp4xx kernel build system at least, look for armeb-linux-depmod Sep 21 17:02:30 but after a HEAD build, only armeb-linux-depmod-2.6 exists in cross/bin/ Sep 21 17:04:22 koen: the kernel cmdline is fine because I can boot with the bootsrap from the oz release but not with my bootstrap from .dev Sep 21 17:11:06 hrw|work_: I have bad news. I promised you a dusty roof but it was cleaned up a bit :( Sep 21 17:11:46 heh Sep 21 17:12:35 ;) Sep 21 17:12:44 zecke: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/oe-t-shirts Sep 21 17:13:36 koen: and the back has M.V.D printed? Sep 21 17:13:59 or alternatively M.V.M.D Sep 21 17:14:00 no, but I can do that with a edding 3000 :) Sep 21 17:14:11 I think I want that ;) Sep 21 17:17:12 ST:enterprise was soooooooo much better before the nazi aliens from the future were introduced Sep 21 17:17:31 * koen invokes godwins law on ST:E Sep 21 17:50:01 you guys watch BSG? Sep 21 17:50:24 koen, you watch BSG? Sep 21 17:51:05 I haven't watched that yet Sep 21 17:51:19 it is pretty good Sep 21 17:51:23 I should restore that from my internet backups :) Sep 21 17:51:27 heh Sep 21 17:51:43 I don't want to get into the whole file stealling thing Sep 21 17:52:07 but I would consider it "fair use" to send you season 3 as it comes on :) Sep 21 17:52:31 the other night I had to undelete an amazing race after my wife accidentlally deleted it Sep 21 17:53:32 the 2500 geeks on campus have real up to date backups as well :) Sep 21 17:54:25 Crofton: I'm in germany we are at season 2 Sep 21 17:54:26 ;) Sep 21 17:54:28 later Sep 21 17:54:37 at == it will start some day Sep 21 17:54:45 season 3 starts soon Sep 21 17:55:04 * koen is watching SG:A season 3 as well Sep 21 17:56:26 so much tv, so little time Sep 21 17:56:52 at least I have a 140 hour tivo now, so I can record at times of high supply and savefor the doldrums Sep 21 17:57:48 "71 programma's, U gebruikt 127 GB (92 uur 48 min) van 521 GB." Sep 21 17:58:02 that's what my mythboxen say :) Sep 21 17:58:06 :) Sep 21 18:28:44 hmm Sep 21 18:29:01 appying zecke-no-host-includes.patch does not make sense on non-cross compilers right? Sep 21 18:29:09 good morning, btw. Sep 21 18:29:39 mickeyl: good morning ... here is 22:44 already :) Sep 21 18:29:51 ~ugt Sep 21 18:29:53 congrats on the thesis mickeyl Sep 21 18:29:54 ) Sep 21 18:29:55 rumour has it, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Sep 21 18:30:09 thanks very much Crofton Sep 21 18:30:21 when can we get copies of it? Sep 21 18:30:40 mickeyl: it was joke Sep 21 18:30:40 I am actually interested in looking at it to see if it make sthe concept of middleware clearer Sep 21 18:31:20 Crofton: can you read german? Sep 21 18:31:34 den-ros ;) Sep 21 18:31:46 mickeyl: ;) Sep 21 18:33:15 arg Sep 21 18:33:16 mickeyl: Hey, I'd be up for a good challenge..a German PHD thesis on Middleware sounds like a great way to get the German side of my Brain less rusty :) Sep 21 18:33:21 I didn't think of that ... Sep 21 18:34:05 Crofton: sorry, it's common for germany to publish doctoral thesises in german. Sep 21 18:34:29 understandable Sep 21 18:34:30 hvontres|poodle: I'll put a version up soon. I need to wait until the advisory board accepts it though. Sep 21 18:34:35 hey koen Sep 21 18:34:39 koen: appying zecke-no-host-includes.patch does not make sense on non-cross compilers right? Sep 21 18:34:58 when I take over the world, there will be only one langauge .... Sep 21 18:34:59 mickeyl: suihkulokki had trouble using the OE toolchains in scratchbox due to the no-host patch Sep 21 18:35:01 since in scratchbox the stuff *is* in /usr/lib Sep 21 18:35:10 right Sep 21 18:35:15 so i'll take it out of the non-cross Sep 21 18:35:35 mickeyl: it makes sense if you want to avoid contamination Sep 21 18:36:01 that's right, but i suspect the major use case it to do compilation on the host or using a chroot Sep 21 18:36:03 in case your host system is libc5 and target libc6, etc Sep 21 18:36:23 using a chroot won't work Sep 21 18:36:33 ? Sep 21 18:36:36 our non-cross toolchains are non-relocatable Sep 21 18:36:42 aaargh Sep 21 18:36:45 damn :/ Sep 21 18:36:51 that gives me a major problem Sep 21 18:37:00 zecke has the details on that Sep 21 18:37:14 it might be only quilt that's a bitch, but I haven't looked into that Sep 21 18:37:41 but yeah, gcc_${PN} shouldn't have the no-host patches Sep 21 18:37:52 *nod* Sep 21 18:37:57 (and doesn't have those, at least when I last looked at it) Sep 21 18:38:06 NOTE: Applying patch 'zecke-xgcc-cpp.patch' Sep 21 18:38:06 NOTE: Applying patch 'zecke-no-host-includes.patch' Sep 21 18:38:06 NOTE: package gcc-4.1.1-r6: task do_patch: completed Sep 21 18:38:24 did RP and/or kergoth merge poky's devshell.bbclass already? Sep 21 18:38:35 re Sep 21 18:38:42 hrw: wb Sep 21 18:38:50 re hrw Sep 21 18:39:32 yo hrw Sep 21 18:39:35 btw. Sep 21 18:39:44 i didn't order a MBP yet Sep 21 18:39:46 koen: nice t-shirts Sep 21 18:39:51 i really want to wait until the merom chipset appears Sep 21 18:39:57 mickeyl: same here Sep 21 18:39:57 i ordered a really portable notebook instead Sep 21 18:40:05 panasonic R5? Sep 21 18:40:08 because i need one _now_ Sep 21 18:40:11 thinkpad x60s Sep 21 18:40:14 ah Sep 21 18:40:15 I have no way to get back of oedem.. bought train tickets in both ways and the cannot be returned Sep 21 18:40:30 hrw: heh. why would you want to return them? Sep 21 18:40:36 hmm.. bad wordset.. Sep 21 18:40:50 no wayback, Sep 21 18:40:53 ~lart idioms Sep 21 18:40:54 * ibot gives idioms a good seeing to Sep 21 18:41:04 ~lart my too technical english too Sep 21 18:41:04 * ibot blames my too technical english too for all the evil in the world Sep 21 18:41:07 heh Sep 21 18:41:10 s/returned/exchanged/ ? Sep 21 18:41:25 koen: probably Sep 21 18:41:38 I just got my tickets in the mail today Sep 21 18:41:43 oops Sep 21 18:41:45 that reminds me Sep 21 18:41:49 no wonder you guys write your dissertatin in your natvie languages :) Sep 21 18:41:51 mickeyl: tickets? Sep 21 18:41:58 * mickeyl makes a big NOTE to order tickets tomorrow when he's @ uni Sep 21 18:42:12 Crofton: a w jakim mamy pisać? jakbym napisał po angielsku to do tej pory bym błędy poprawiał... Sep 21 18:42:14 Crofton: heh. I'm actually afraid of next year, because I want to publish an OE book in german Sep 21 18:42:18 mickeyl: they went up €50 because of the short notice Sep 21 18:42:23 Crofton: i need to get a native speaker as co-author Sep 21 18:42:29 hmm Sep 21 18:42:39 will there be an english version? Sep 21 18:42:41 ugh Sep 21 18:42:42 sorry Sep 21 18:42:44 s/german/english Sep 21 18:42:49 i want to publish the OE book in english of course Sep 21 18:42:50 my mother has the language gene Sep 21 18:42:56 I didn't get it Sep 21 18:43:02 heh Sep 21 18:43:10 i'd ask RP but I know he's mega busy Sep 21 18:43:13 she is pretty fluent in french and german Sep 21 18:43:30 I am barely literate in English ... Sep 21 18:43:31 mickeyl: kergoth? Sep 21 18:44:02 hrw: i never read anything longer from him ;) Sep 21 18:44:22 mickeyl, I know a woman who claims to like technical editing Sep 21 18:44:40 mickeyl: I could try and help a bit... I used to be bilingual...but I may be a bit rusty on the Computer Jargon.. and I am deffinitely not very far up on OE Sep 21 18:45:48 hvontres|poodle: thanks, I'll remember that. Sep 21 18:45:55 and I'll work for Good Beer :) Sep 21 18:45:57 * mickeyl didn't write more than 5 pages yet Sep 21 18:45:59 hehe Sep 21 18:46:14 * hvontres|poodle misses Flensburger...:( Sep 21 18:46:16 mickeyl: but you have table of contents already Sep 21 18:46:21 yep Sep 21 18:46:22 too bad, my friend is in between jobs now, but I do not think that will last Sep 21 18:46:49 yeah it'll be probably mid 2007 when I need the coauthor Sep 21 18:46:58 or rather editor Sep 21 18:48:09 * mickeyl dreams of a very calm 2007 Sep 21 18:50:13 mickeyl: good luck.. and by then will it be Dr. mickeyl ? Sep 21 18:50:29 * chouimat is back. Sep 21 18:51:03 hvontres|poodle: pretty sure, yeah. I'm allowed to call my self Dr. after publishing the thesis as book. This i'm allowed right after a successful public defense Sep 21 18:52:31 mickeyl|dr Sep 21 18:52:36 hehe Sep 21 18:53:04 sounds more like a medical problem :) Sep 21 18:53:43 can't wait to print the t-shirt Sep 21 18:53:49 "I'm Dr. Mickey, please open your blouse" Sep 21 18:53:50 *cough* Sep 21 18:54:15 "10+ Years of Computer Science and all I got was this lousy shirt...." Sep 21 18:54:22 hehehe Sep 21 18:54:25 that's even better! :D Sep 21 18:54:46 Dunno, I think yours is better ;) Sep 21 18:55:18 Do PhDs in Europe they wear those cool multicolored hoods? Sep 21 18:56:00 not really Sep 21 18:56:13 if i'm lucky I get one as a present by my former colleagues Sep 21 18:56:36 it's kind of a tradition that the ex-colleagues handcraft the hood Sep 21 18:56:51 with adding common phrases or stuff that has something to do with you on the top Sep 21 18:57:14 * hvontres|poodle imagines a hood with a Z attached Sep 21 18:59:52 mickyl: Did you ever try to run your x86 Angstom build on anything? I am wonderting if that might not be a good choice for my old laptop Sep 21 19:00:18 ~s/mickyl/mickeyl Sep 21 19:00:40 hvontres|poodle: not yet. i was able to chroot into it, but didn't try to install it anywhere yet Sep 21 19:01:31 mickeyl: Cool. I just was thinking how something like that might be a good distro for an old P1 233 :) Sep 21 19:02:29 definitly. it would be good for OE as well Sep 21 19:02:37 laptops have slightly differing requirements Sep 21 19:06:40 bbl, need a pause Sep 21 19:07:13 do gentoo users have more problems than most building stuff with OE? Sep 21 19:27:02 re Sep 21 19:34:48 * koen looks at the private key someone sent him Sep 21 19:35:07 If only I were evil :) Sep 21 19:36:47 private? hah Sep 21 19:38:14 lakml is busy with 2.6.18-post patches now Sep 21 19:46:09 kergoth: it happens a lot when we tell people 'send us your mtn key' without showing them http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/MonotonePhraseBook Sep 21 19:48:50 lrg: good morning Sep 21 19:49:00 hey koen Sep 21 19:49:36 is it bad if the system you run OE on has arm-linux-... tools installed in the path? Sep 21 19:51:01 that's why some distro's (angstrom, poky) set TARGET_VENDOR :) Sep 21 19:51:33 koen, is that in reply to my question? Sep 21 19:51:43 yes Sep 21 19:51:49 um Sep 21 19:51:56 TARGET_VENDOR? Sep 21 19:52:05 iirc OE prepends to $PATH, so it shouldn't matter Sep 21 19:52:15 hmmm Sep 21 19:52:52 ${TARGET_ARCH}-${TARGET_VENDOR}-${TARGET_OS}-foo Sep 21 19:52:56 I have emailing with a guy trying to build for the omap osk, which works fine on my PC Sep 21 19:53:04 so you'd get arm-angstrom-linux-foo Sep 21 19:53:12 prefix for the tools? Sep 21 19:53:41 yeah Sep 21 19:54:05 does that work with u-boot? Sep 21 19:54:13 why wouldn't it? Sep 21 19:54:53 in top level Makefile Sep 21 19:55:01 ifeq ARCH ARM Sep 21 19:55:03 ah, hard-coded assumptions Sep 21 19:55:11 CROSS_COMPILE = arm-linux- Sep 21 19:55:13 yeah Sep 21 19:55:29 sounds like the .bb needs to sed that out Sep 21 19:55:53 I think the busybox 1.2.x recipes have an example for that Sep 21 19:56:02 anyway, NCIS is starting Sep 21 19:56:06 heh Sep 21 20:25:54 RP, I've built bootstrap-image for Zaurus now. In my image folders theres 3 files (named modules-2.6.18-spitz.tgz zImage-2.6.18-spitz-20060921202537.bin zImage-spitz.bin) whats the difference between the 2 zimages? Sep 21 20:28:18 Kristoffer: zImage-spitz.bin is not symlink to zImage-2.6.18-spitz-20060921202537.bin? Sep 21 20:29:13 hrw|tv, lol you are quite correct Sep 21 20:29:51 hrw|tv, anything special I need to know for installing? or is it same as always? just replace my /boot/zimage with the new one, and extract modules into /lib/modules ? Sep 21 20:32:41 Kristoffer: wiki.openzaurus.org Sep 21 20:37:46 hrw|tv, doesnt say anything about it there.. However seems likely that because it basicly just boots off the hdd, I can safely replace the old zimage with the new one Sep 21 20:43:55 mickey|tv, quick question. To update kernel on my spitz, just replace zimage in /bin/boot and modules?.. anything else I need to do? Sep 21 20:48:40 you need to FLASH kernel Sep 21 20:48:48 limitation of sharp bootloader Sep 21 20:49:15 Even if this is an upgrade? I've already got openzaurus installed on device Sep 21 20:49:47 put zImage.bin and updater.sh on card (no hdimage1.tgz) and flash Sep 21 20:49:52 ~blame sharp Sep 21 20:49:53 * ibot blames sharp (and Canada) for all the evil in the world Sep 21 20:50:10 lol Sep 21 20:50:19 So kernel is always kept in flashmemory Sep 21 20:50:53 yes ;( Sep 21 20:50:57 :( Sep 21 20:52:23 hrw|tv, oki, but I can just extract modules to /lib/modules right? Sep 21 21:11:29 Kristoffer: you can Sep 21 21:13:09 hrw|tv, yeah got it booting nicely now. Thx Sep 21 21:25:07 anyone know if anyone is looking at getting the dsp gateway sw for the TI omap processors into OE? Sep 21 21:25:29 http://www.us.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1181 - gzip NEED update Sep 21 21:25:56 CVE-2006-4334, CVE-2006-4335, CVE-2006-4336, CVE-2006-4337, CVE-2006-4338 Sep 21 21:26:31 Crofton: it is available on open license? Sep 21 21:26:42 yeah Sep 21 21:26:56 some updates went into the omap kernel git repo today Sep 21 21:27:08 http://dspgateway.sourceforge.net/ Sep 21 21:27:13 Crofton: then what problem you see in adding it? Sep 21 21:27:17 well Sep 21 21:27:30 CC = /usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-gcc Sep 21 21:27:30 CFLAGS = -Wall -I${HOME}/linux-2.6.16/include -I../../../include Sep 21 21:27:37 in the makefile :) Sep 21 21:27:51 just extra work Sep 21 21:28:24 the CC that OE sets will override the one on the makefile? Sep 21 21:28:32 I always am confused by this ... Sep 21 21:28:33 should Sep 21 21:28:38 iirc not Sep 21 21:29:00 I spent an afternoon screwing with this in some simple makefiles Sep 21 21:29:17 you should be able to delete that entry Sep 21 21:29:25 yeah Sep 21 21:29:27 oe_runmake CC="${CC}" Sep 21 21:29:54 I need to be working on something else..... Sep 21 21:30:34 tinylogin/tinylogin_1.4.bb: oe_runmake 'CC=${CC}' 'CROSS=${HOST_PREFIX}' Sep 21 21:30:36 etc Sep 21 21:30:42 hi Cliff Sep 21 21:30:45 thanks for the tip Sep 21 21:30:54 guess I'll make a bb file and see what happens Sep 21 21:31:03 Crofton: best way ;) Sep 21 21:31:07 yeah Sep 21 21:31:15 procrastinating other worh right now Sep 21 21:31:23 hi Sep 21 21:31:24 what about the kernel headers? Sep 21 21:31:26 Crofton: iirc you are omap maintainer in OE Sep 21 21:31:40 Crofton: STAGING_KERNEL_DIR should be enough Sep 21 21:31:47 ok Sep 21 21:31:51 hi CoreDump Sep 21 21:31:54 by default :) Sep 21 21:32:40 * CoreDump|home wonders why apt-get is segfaulting Sep 21 21:32:55 CoreDump|home: fscked filesystem? Sep 21 21:33:03 hmm ext3 Sep 21 21:33:53 ok. time to bed Sep 21 21:33:55 23:52 here Sep 21 21:33:58 n8 hrw|tv Sep 21 21:43:33 chouimat|pub: cheers :) Sep 21 21:57:48 I have a bb file without a do_configure method Sep 21 21:58:28 but it dies complaining about a syntax error neear } when the bb file is run Sep 21 23:32:17 RP, having issues with sound still.. Sep 21 23:32:53 RP, Im not sure if im missing something with the alsamixer, but only getting sound on one headphone. Setting Jack = headset doesnt give any sound at all Sep 21 23:35:16 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r1b158f68... 10/ (1 packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb): slugos-packages: Remove erlang from ucslugc feed Sep 22 01:09:26 Crofton, are you there Sep 22 01:17:04 lvcargnini, I am going back to TV Sep 22 01:21:35 ??? Sep 22 02:06:40 hi everybody Sep 22 02:48:02 hi **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 22 02:59:56 2006