**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 24 02:59:56 2006 Sep 24 03:12:16 ~apex Sep 24 03:12:18 [apex] a tiny arm bootloader done by marc singer, or http://projects.buici.com/apex/, or a hackable dvd player http://www.nerd-out.com/darrenk/ Sep 24 03:37:53 night Sep 24 03:41:39 morning ~!. :) Sep 24 03:41:46 is there any working man ? Sep 24 04:00:51 leoncamel: Probably not... it's 6:17 am on Sunday in Europe right now :) Sep 24 04:01:37 hvontres|home, :). so . how about your this weekend ? Sep 24 04:02:04 hvontres|home: midnite in Pennsylvania Sep 24 04:02:33 just doing some maintnace on my Linux box right now. No OE plans :) Sep 24 08:20:18 03blaster8 07org.oe.dev * r6ff34826... 10/ (8 files in 5 dirs): Sep 24 08:20:18 busybox: drop in an mdev patch from busybox.net Sep 24 08:20:18 slugos-init: add in module loading logic for NSLU2 Sep 24 08:20:18 * Maintainers with other ixp4xx devices should follow suit Sep 24 09:48:08 morning all Sep 24 09:48:48 hey lrg Sep 24 09:51:40 morning lrg, koen Sep 24 09:59:57 hey pH5 Sep 24 10:58:40 morning Sep 24 11:03:46 CoreDump|home: good day Sep 24 11:34:59 re Sep 24 11:42:47 RP: hey Sep 24 11:42:55 RP: I'm hooking up a guy on poky ATM Sep 24 11:44:17 zecke: you're in dublin right now? Sep 24 11:44:40 koen: yeah, and two more hours for my talk :} Sep 24 11:44:42 *shiver* Sep 24 11:45:12 don't forget to put the slides online at oe.org :) Sep 24 11:45:21 koen: it is not about OE ;) Sep 24 11:45:40 koen: I'm hooking up j5 with poky so he can take a look at dbus on ARM Sep 24 11:45:55 :) Sep 24 11:47:59 * koen reads http://conference2006.kde.org/conference/talks/51.php#bio Sep 24 11:48:07 scared Sep 24 11:49:22 zecke: can you point j5 to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7675 ? Sep 24 11:50:29 koen:I think we have talked about this Sep 24 11:50:43 zecke: and http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-vfs-list/2006-September/msg00023.html should interest you as well Sep 24 11:51:11 too much to read now Sep 24 11:52:15 gnome-vfs as it exists today will be gone Sep 24 11:52:16 the mail discusses the new design parameters and moving it partially into a glib library Sep 24 11:52:52 now you can quote the maintainer on the suckiness in your presentation :) Sep 24 12:18:16 hi Sep 24 13:25:30 morning Sep 24 13:29:48 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r5cb09053... 10/ (1 packages/linux-libc-headers/linux-libc-headers_2.6.18.bb): linux-libc-headers: add 2.6.18, generated by make headers_install Sep 24 13:30:39 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r5cb09053... 10/ (1 packages/linux-libc-headers/linux-libc-headers_2.6.18.bb): linux-libc-headers: add 2.6.18, generated by make headers_install Sep 24 13:33:12 pH5: yay! Sep 24 13:41:51 pH5: anything I need to know before trying to use the new linux-libc-headers? Sep 24 13:44:04 koen: the world my implode into a singularity Sep 24 13:44:10 koen: I didn't build a whole image against this yet, so after glibc you're on your own. Sep 24 13:44:13 ah, cool Sep 24 13:44:13 hey XorA|gone :) Sep 24 13:44:53 pH5: I was hoping to use it for uclicb Sep 24 13:46:40 koen: even better. let me know if it works :) Sep 24 13:49:40 hey mikearthur Sep 24 13:50:59 koen: yo Sep 24 13:51:05 koen: have you investigated why busybox mount barfs when mounting in init scipts? Sep 24 13:51:38 hey mikearthur Sep 24 13:51:46 yo XorA Sep 24 13:52:04 XorA: I haven't, but busybox svn has seen *a lot* of commits last week in mount/ Sep 24 13:52:24 koen: cool, I know why its ps doesnt work and should a a ten secs hack Sep 24 13:55:40 XorA: http://busybox.net/lists/busybox/2006-September/024681.html might interest you Sep 24 13:56:01 * koen would love a 'strong crypto' version of angstrom Sep 24 13:58:42 XorA: what was the problem with 'ps'? Sep 24 13:59:56 koen: busybox ps doesnt accept -e but -e is actually its default behaviour so just adding e to its opts should fix it for out start scripts Sep 24 14:11:17 morning all Sep 24 14:13:45 cyrilRomain: hi there Sep 24 14:16:25 hey likewise Sep 24 14:22:28 cyrilRomain: hi Sep 24 14:44:56 koen: hmm, zaurusd should RDEPEND on procps as it uses "ps -e x" Sep 24 14:48:45 XorA_: you mean devmand ;) Sep 24 14:55:55 ~botmail for zecke: what about adding http://www.openembedded.org/firstproject to the usermanual? Sep 24 14:57:09 cappin connect Sep 24 14:57:47 koen: I patched busybox ps only to find the x arg is needed to be ignored as well, damn ps with its non standardness Sep 24 14:58:04 welcome to linux Sep 24 14:58:05 koen: technically anything that calls ps -e x whould RDEPEND on procps in my mind Sep 24 14:58:15 koen: so far gpe-dm and zaurusd I see Sep 24 14:59:20 or patch them to comply with the busybox ps Sep 24 15:00:52 koen: or that way Sep 24 15:02:04 although that would make them fail on real ps Sep 24 15:02:13 busybox ps is kinda dumb Sep 24 15:03:22 * XorA will ponder this later Sep 24 15:14:07 XorA|gon1: i've added the rdepends for the time being Sep 24 15:14:35 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf2b7d4ea... 10/ (11 files in 2 dirs): Sep 24 15:14:35 gpe-dm: RDEPEND on procps: Sep 24 15:14:35 * anything that calls ps -e x should RDEPEND on procps Sep 24 15:14:35 * patching it to work with busybox ps would make them fail with the real ps Sep 24 15:14:35 * also drop obsolete versions Sep 24 15:14:40 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r7b27f36d... 10/ (1 packages/zaurusd/zaurusd_svn.bb): Sep 24 15:14:40 zaurusd: RDEPENDS on procps Sep 24 15:14:40 * anything that calls ps -e x should RDEPEND on procps Sep 24 15:14:43 * patching it to work with busybox ps would make them fail with the real ps Sep 24 15:15:42 koen: ok, I just patched up busybox ps to not barf on -e x (I think) I also found the mount-all patch didnt get ported to 1.2.1 so I shall look into that Sep 24 15:18:10 anyway I should go help cook dinner Sep 24 15:18:18 finish with this later Sep 24 16:35:42 morning Sep 24 16:35:48 hey hrw Sep 24 16:36:31 hi koen Sep 24 16:36:38 ~hail last.fm Sep 24 16:36:43 * ibot bows down to last.fm and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Sep 24 16:36:53 my new way to nice free music Sep 24 16:37:27 'bitbake starling' for a OE last.fm client :) Sep 24 16:37:47 can I use OE also to build during development (sources which may change from one minute to the other) - or does it only make sense for more "stable" sources Sep 24 16:37:49 ? Sep 24 16:37:57 ~lart gnumeric for lack of OpenDocument Sep 24 16:37:58 * ibot farts in gnumeric's general direction for lack of OpenDocument Sep 24 16:38:47 pgfeller: 'bitbake -b foo.bb -c compile -f' ? Sep 24 16:40:41 koen: how do I point to the source? @ the moment I used CVS - but SF has a delay between my commits & updating the public repo :-( ... is there an easy way to point to my local src? Sep 24 16:41:05 kergoth had a hack for that a while back Sep 24 16:41:06 SRC_URI = "file://my-source-dir/*" Sep 24 16:41:16 I used such thing months ago Sep 24 16:41:30 koen & hwr: thanks :-) Sep 24 16:41:44 "Entrepreneur" - I will not use that work on OEDEM Sep 24 16:42:01 hi hrw koen Sep 24 16:42:08 ~spell Entrepreneur Sep 24 16:42:10 'Entrepreneur' may be spelled correctly Sep 24 16:42:12 hey chouimat Sep 24 16:42:15 hi chouimat Sep 24 16:42:32 hmm, /me starts adding 'r's to the document he's working on Sep 24 16:42:38 entrepreneur is probably one of french words in english Sep 24 16:42:43 * chouimat found a tons of mp3 CD ... might be able to recove about 33% of his mp3 collection ... stupid hard drive :( Sep 24 16:42:45 ~lart 'entrepeneur' Sep 24 16:42:45 * ibot rm -rf's 'entrepeneur' Sep 24 16:42:53 koen: instead of z? Sep 24 16:42:58 rgcc Sep 24 16:43:18 I was thinking about getting icecream to work natively Sep 24 16:44:50 rgcc? Sep 24 16:45:06 chouimat: ~95% of my mp3 collection has the original as CD next to my desk :) Sep 24 16:45:30 koen me too ... but ripping 3000 audiocds is not my idea of fun :) Sep 24 16:45:42 hrw: entrepreneur is french :) Sep 24 16:46:11 couchon is french as well Sep 24 16:46:20 make openslug Sep 24 16:46:24 ooops :) Sep 24 16:47:50 chouimat: many words in english are from french Sep 24 16:48:03 Polish has many words from German, Russian Sep 24 16:48:40 hrw: I know ... and since I'm french canadian I have the habit of using the french pronociation even when I speak english :) Sep 24 16:48:53 ;)) Sep 24 16:50:28 ok. time to start impress (oo.o impress) and learn how it work Sep 24 16:50:50 SIGABRT.. Sep 24 16:51:16 start it, go eat lunch, watch it load, go out for dinner, start clicking Sep 24 16:52:35 ooihrw@home:~$ ooimpress Sep 24 16:52:35 This should only happen once Sep 24 16:52:35 This should only happen once Sep 24 16:52:35 ** (process:22679): WARNING **: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit ... Sep 24 16:53:49 ~spell analysis Sep 24 16:53:52 'analysis' may be spelled correctly Sep 24 16:54:09 ~spell hrw Sep 24 16:54:11 possible spellings for hrw: HR hr Hew hew HRH Haw haw how hrs Sep 24 16:54:26 ~hrw Sep 24 16:54:28 i heard hrw is Marcin Juszkiewicz - OpenEmbedded/OpenZaurus/OPIE developer, OpenZaurus 3.5.4.x release maintainer - contact via homepage: http://www.hrw.one.pl/ Sep 24 16:54:41 ibot: hrw is also Human Rights Watch Sep 24 16:54:42 hrw: okay Sep 24 16:54:46 ~hrw Sep 24 16:54:47 you are, like, Marcin Juszkiewicz - OpenEmbedded/OpenZaurus/OPIE developer, OpenZaurus 3.5.4.x release maintainer - contact via homepage: http://www.hrw.one.pl/. Human Rights Watch Sep 24 16:54:59 heh.. Sep 24 16:55:52 ibot: no, hrw is Marcin Juszkiewicz - OpenEmbedded/OpenZaurus/OPIE developer, OpenZaurus 3.5.4.x release maintainer - contact via homepage: http://www.hrw.one.pl/ but also Human Rights Watch organization (both not related) Sep 24 16:55:53 okay, hrw Sep 24 16:56:35 ~hrw Sep 24 16:56:36 i heard hrw is Marcin Juszkiewicz - OpenEmbedded/OpenZaurus/OPIE developer, OpenZaurus 3.5.4.x release maintainer - contact via homepage: http://www.hrw.one.pl/ but also Human Rights Watch organization (both not related) Sep 24 16:56:41 check Sep 24 16:57:04 ibot: likewise is Leon Woestenberg, in case someone cares. Sep 24 16:57:06 likewise: okay Sep 24 16:57:11 hrw : I do get "task do_unpack: failed" when using the file:// SRC_URI (but the files are in the ${WORKDIR}) - do I have to overwrite do_unpack()? Sep 24 16:57:26 It's good to have at least one friend here :-) Sep 24 16:57:48 do_unpack() { Sep 24 16:57:49 } Sep 24 16:58:22 ~help emulate Sep 24 17:02:19 ~emulate hrw Sep 24 17:02:48 I cannot be emulated Sep 24 17:04:07 ~emulate hrw Sep 24 17:04:09 * ibot I cannot be emulated Sep 24 17:15:46 ARGH Sep 24 17:16:07 oo impress cannot get (copy/paste) chart from oo calc? Sep 24 17:20:01 no, you need to save and import Sep 24 17:20:43 remember that oo is cross plat, there is no way that copy-paste would work Sep 24 17:21:10 unless you loaded up all of the OO system Sep 24 17:21:19 which would be a huge resource load Sep 24 17:21:19 crap Sep 24 17:21:34 emte: ooimpress is 250M Sep 24 17:21:39 I define it huge Sep 24 17:21:48 %MEM TIME+ COMMAND Sep 24 17:21:49 22793 hrw 0 0 228m 126m 71m S 0.0 12.5 1:10.19 soffice.bin Sep 24 17:21:50 try loading the whole OO suite Sep 24 17:22:19 emte: how? debian has them split Sep 24 17:22:40 you cant, it was more of an illustration of why that feature doesnt work Sep 24 17:23:03 it is now even disabled in windows after MS lost thier lawsuit for code theft Sep 24 17:23:21 and everyone's version of MS Office is illegal Sep 24 17:23:39 heh.. just had crash of oo.. Sep 24 17:24:13 anyway, just export/save your chart as an image :) Sep 24 17:24:49 emte: then maybe I will get some sheets of paper, few crayons and will do it without computer Sep 24 17:24:52 ? Sep 24 17:24:53 wow .... this is so against "normal way of work" Sep 24 17:25:05 but it would be harder to show using beamer Sep 24 17:26:16 lol Sep 24 17:26:23 why? Sep 24 17:26:27 hrw: use your digicam Sep 24 17:26:31 use a scanner or digicam Sep 24 17:26:51 but you better stay in the lines :P Sep 24 17:27:11 heh.. MS Paint is best programmers friend Sep 24 17:27:30 hehehe Sep 24 17:27:44 not (gasp) diag? Sep 24 17:27:45 I remember times when I used ms paint to draw all temporary icons in websites Sep 24 17:27:53 er dia* Sep 24 17:27:59 hrw: or you can learn graphviz or metapost ;) Sep 24 17:28:30 latex-beamer Sep 24 17:28:44 koen: looks like it will end on it Sep 24 17:28:51 then latex-charts Sep 24 17:28:55 anyway this talk of OO reminds me i need to print out a chart Sep 24 17:29:01 tex-umba tex-umbaumba etc... Sep 24 17:29:10 texmacs Sep 24 17:29:12 :) Sep 24 17:29:17 kile rather Sep 24 17:29:19 hmmmm sound like debian ... Sep 24 17:29:34 chouimat: Debian here since slink Sep 24 17:30:02 slinky slinky, makes you think of stinky Sep 24 17:30:05 :P Sep 24 17:30:35 hrw: gentoo and t2 here ... since it seems a lot of distros are making moronics decisions lately :) Sep 24 17:32:42 t2? Sep 24 17:32:52 emte: t2-project.org Sep 24 17:33:08 reminds me i should reinstall chaos Sep 24 17:33:17 kind of concurrent project to OE Sep 24 17:33:19 emte: kind of openembedded for desktop use :) Sep 24 17:33:35 competitive Sep 24 17:33:39 I meant Sep 24 17:35:01 t2 looks interesting ... maybe i'll give it a spin before reinstalling chaos Sep 24 17:36:23 ah, ROCK is based on it Sep 24 17:36:59 ~kill oo Sep 24 17:37:01 * ibot shoots a charged tachyon gun at oo Sep 24 17:37:19 morons Sep 24 17:37:21 idiots Sep 24 17:37:36 interesting comment about OE by T2 Sep 24 17:37:42 url? Sep 24 17:37:46 OpenEmbedded is quite a young project focusing just on the embedded use-case as well. Due the ever-changing nature of OE and the requirement to obtain many seperate components as well as the need to install the build tool bitmake into the system makes OE way harder to use than T2. Sep 24 17:37:51 http://t2-project.org/faq.html Sep 24 17:38:23 someone should send them a spelling correction for bitbake Sep 24 17:38:57 let me quote one developer... Sep 24 17:39:36 "I tried to use T2 but after waiting 1h after 'make menuconfig' kind of command I killed it and removed from harddrive" Sep 24 17:39:54 lol Sep 24 17:40:58 so he was building the kernel pn a p90 ? Sep 24 17:41:01 on* Sep 24 17:45:21 rather something faster Sep 24 17:45:38 fscking oo.org Sep 24 17:46:39 this 'app suite' looks similiar to each other but it looks like no one in teams never discussed with other devteams (not mentioning users tests) Sep 24 17:47:23 "if you want to add chart then use 'insert chart'. if you want to edit default values then enter all of them." Sep 24 17:47:30 but I want to COPY Sep 24 17:47:33 argh Sep 24 17:48:54 texts can be drag/drop calc->impress.. but no charts Sep 24 17:49:02 hrw: http://youtube.com/watch?v=j02b8Fuz73A contains some nice ideas on how an office suite should work Sep 24 17:49:12 (ignore steve jobs, he's just being annoying) Sep 24 17:49:46 hrw: In star divisions defense, several different teams have hacked up oo.o since they wrote it Sep 24 17:49:50 pgfeller: any luck with fbvncserver? Sep 24 17:50:05 koen: for me that kind of apps should allow normal user to be able to click, enter text, click, add pictures, charts, save Sep 24 17:50:50 ggilbert: for user (like me now) it can even be written by dwarfs or cinderella & company Sep 24 17:51:31 hvontres: ... @ the moment I'm fighting to use OE during development instead of x-toolchain ... - the Keyboard seems to work via uinput - but I still rely on tssimd (which I would like to get rid of as well) Sep 24 17:51:42 ggilbert: I prefer to not have to run torrent search with 'ms office warez with serial' query Sep 24 17:51:56 pgfeller: 'bitbake devshell' Sep 24 17:52:48 .... Sep 24 17:52:53 pgfeller: I am still up for testing on poodle. do you want me to PM you my email? Sep 24 17:52:53 what is OO Oasis? Sep 24 17:53:45 hvontres: yes please Sep 24 17:54:14 hmm another opendoc format Sep 24 18:00:12 Alchemy is mips? Sep 24 18:00:49 hrw: yes Sep 24 18:08:01 hrw: try koffice :) Sep 24 18:11:19 chouimat: I'm not so mad Sep 24 18:11:36 chopstix: I'll wait for koffice 2010 Sep 24 18:11:51 hrw: 1.6 works really well Sep 24 18:13:33 chouimat: 1.6-totalbetanotyetreleased? Sep 24 18:13:50 or 1.6-we-need-kde4-release-first? Sep 24 18:14:43 hrw: 1.6-beta1 it's still kde3 ... 2.0 will be kde4 ... Sep 24 18:15:02 hrw: beta1 was released on sept 10 ... Sep 24 18:16:05 chouimat: last time when I started kspread it needed more time then oocalc to be ready to use. not to mention 'wait i need to refresh because i did not do that in last minute' hangups Sep 24 18:16:55 kspread sounds like somthing you'd put on bread Sep 24 18:17:11 chouimat: I use gnumeric to view excels, oocalc to edit all spreadshits. I have kspread installed only to get thumbnails of oocalc files Sep 24 18:18:31 hrw: I don't have use for spreadshit ... and for all my tex I use kate or kile ... I find latex and context better than any wordprocessor :) Sep 24 18:19:05 chouimat: at work I usually get excel or msword files Sep 24 18:20:15 hrw: I have openoffice installed but I use it as a viewer ... and I just setup my email server to reject any ms office documents ... Sep 24 18:31:12 german music can be scary... blümchen and her percussion automat... Sep 24 18:31:47 hrw: which song/band is that? Sep 24 18:32:36 likewise: Blümchen Sep 24 18:32:54 likewise: she was popular ~6-8 years ago Sep 24 18:39:01 koen: hc4700 is htc baby? Sep 24 18:39:07 s/hc/hx Sep 24 18:54:07 hrw: almost every ipaq is a htc baby Sep 24 18:54:19 starting with 3800 iirc Sep 24 18:54:30 'asic3' is a htc-ism Sep 24 18:54:38 wanted to be sure Sep 24 18:57:27 "I'm not sure I can (from a legal perspective and user sanity point of view) put up a window saying "YOUR BATTERY MAY EXPLODE ANY SECOND!!!" but the wording could do with some work. Comments please." Sep 24 18:57:28 cute Sep 24 18:57:43 from http://hughsient.livejournal.com/4509.html Sep 24 18:59:41 koen: "Dear Linux user, do you want to walk into the footsteps of Alan Cox? [ Yes | No | Cancel ]" Sep 24 19:00:04 that's nog HIG compliant :) Sep 24 19:00:30 it's recommended to only use verbs as choices Sep 24 19:01:02 [ Run Away | Eat Thinkpad | Escape Laptop Fire ] Sep 24 19:01:04 [ explode | shutdown | explode later ] Sep 24 19:01:07 :-) Sep 24 19:01:24 [ resume explosion ] Sep 24 19:02:51 About his worries: I would make the text something like: "There is a VERY SMALL chance that your laptop will suffer a VERY BIG EXPLOSION in a few seconds. Do you want to check with DELL?" followed by your HIG compliant choices. Sep 24 19:08:29 Keep atleast a 3meter distance to your handheld before starting it up.. Sep 24 19:09:05 The zaurus nick-names is taken from observation - Spitz (fire).. Sep 24 20:03:48 * JustinP expresses some negative comments about ipkg Sep 24 20:06:04 ~lart CoreDump|home Sep 24 20:06:04 * ibot changes CoreDump|home's permissions to 0777 and tells the world Sep 24 20:06:21 JustinP: are there any positibe ones about it? Sep 24 20:09:17 hrw: ouch Sep 24 20:09:36 CoreDump|home: 3.5.4.2/2.4..... Sep 24 20:09:49 oops Sep 24 20:09:52 well no Sep 24 20:10:02 i used the .1 config+ Sep 24 20:10:27 "Hentges 3.5.4.2 Rcs Available" Sep 24 20:10:43 well, for the "other" machines =) Sep 24 20:10:45 that looks like '3.5.4.2' to me Sep 24 20:10:59 and for $random brainless user as well Sep 24 20:11:07 I'll add a note Sep 24 20:11:13 * CoreDump|home gets something to eat Sep 24 20:11:39 http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/collie/ no mention of .1 Sep 24 20:11:41 .2 Sep 24 20:12:21 "I've uploaded completely untested 3.5.4.2 Hentges images: Sep 24 20:12:21 http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/ Sep 24 20:12:21 Please note that Akitas version is not T2-RC* but T1-RC1, I only noticed the problem when the upload was finished. Sep 24 20:12:22 New machines (spitz / collie) will be added once they are compiled." Sep 24 20:12:30 I read that as "3.5.4.2 for collie" Sep 24 20:13:06 hrw: postitibe ones? Sep 24 20:13:14 positive I meant Sep 24 20:13:27 it mostly works.... Sep 24 20:14:12 agreed Sep 24 20:14:16 slow but works Sep 24 20:18:00 we should finish ipkg-sqlite Sep 24 20:18:14 or go with apt+dpkg Sep 24 20:18:32 I would prefer ipkg-sqlite rather Sep 24 20:19:18 install/remove isn't too hard to implement Sep 24 20:19:33 the juice is in the rrecommends/rreplace/rconflicts handling Sep 24 20:20:02 argh.. Sep 24 20:20:20 I use one closedsource application written with Qt3/x11 Sep 24 20:20:41 gui is so fscked that I wonder does their programers ever tried this app... Sep 24 20:20:49 maybe I should offer them help ;) Sep 24 20:21:37 :) Sep 24 20:22:32 total used free shared buffers cached Sep 24 20:22:32 Mem: 1035860 1010852 25008 0 21020 676464 Sep 24 20:22:32 -/+ buffers/cache: 313368 722492 Sep 24 20:22:32 Swap: 996020 96 995924 Sep 24 20:22:39 ~lart memory handling in linux Sep 24 20:22:39 * ibot slaps a compatible dib on memory handling in linux's head Sep 24 20:23:07 atleast 2 apps can be easily swapped (250M) but they are not... Sep 24 20:23:29 so any app has to wait for memory because something needs to be swapped.. Sep 24 20:25:06 hrw: do we want to have ipkg-sqlite use a single db for feed + status, or seperate ones? Sep 24 20:25:30 I vote for two Sep 24 20:26:03 1# prototype in php Sep 24 20:26:11 #2 prototype in python Sep 24 20:26:21 #3 mangle ipkg Sep 24 20:26:43 * koen prefers #1 Sep 24 20:27:40 hrw: how's the dude working on feed-browser doing? Sep 24 20:28:03 no idea Sep 24 20:28:12 problems with moving Sep 24 20:30:30 Linux apps to do taxes etc are not usable or not existing... Sep 24 20:30:43 koen: Hi! what's that talk mentioning ipkg-sqlite about? ;-) Sep 24 20:31:19 psokolovsky_: hrw and I made feedbrowser using sqlite, which gave us the idea to make ipkg use sqlite as a backend Sep 24 20:31:48 to avoid putting the flat file into memory to to a simple depends search Sep 24 20:32:00 koen, that's cool idea, I though about that too. But do you indeed want to prototype it in high-level lang? Sep 24 20:32:04 and a sqlite3 db is about the same size a a list file Sep 24 20:32:11 psokolovsky_: grep is faster then ipkg currently Sep 24 20:32:15 koen: would it be too hard just replace C's ipkg's backend? Sep 24 20:32:23 psokolovsky_: I don't know any lowlevel lang Sep 24 20:32:24 hrw: I bet! ;-) Sep 24 20:33:19 koen: You're kidding, right ;-) It just maybe extra effort - after all, it would be attached to the same old good ipkg, right? Sep 24 20:33:32 psokolovsky_: right now ipkg's internals concerning package logic are busted, so I'd like to avoid doing extra work Sep 24 20:34:27 koen: but you don't want final version to be in Python, right? (I skip PHP at all ;-) Sep 24 20:34:55 php is the only language I know good enough to make progress Sep 24 20:35:12 ideally the result is in asm for each arch ;) Sep 24 20:35:28 koen: one of my ideas is: forget about ipkg update - do wget feeds.db instead, and then ipkg-sqlite use feeds.db to tell 'ipkg install URL URL URL URL URL' Sep 24 20:35:59 koen: so all dependencies (to install) are traced by ipkg-sqlite and it use normal ipkg to do install. Sep 24 20:36:10 hrw: that was my idea as well, but not all 'external' feeds have a db Sep 24 20:36:19 normal ipkg will not eat lot of mem because it will does not know about size of feeds Sep 24 20:37:28 koen, hrw: Anyway, great idea, I'd be glad to help somehow. Just don't know enough about ipkg still. Maybe later, with cleanup/debugging. Sep 24 20:37:34 that would leave us with the busted logic Sep 24 20:38:30 psokolovsky_: teaching ipkg to link to libbb with busybox >1.2.0 would be a better project right now :) Sep 24 20:38:34 how to tell linux to clean cached stuff? Sep 24 20:38:50 hrw: kernel >2.6.16? Sep 24 20:39:33 there was some /proc entry for that iirc Sep 24 20:39:40 koen: drop_caches trick does not work... Sep 24 20:39:47 total used free shared buffers cached Sep 24 20:39:47 Mem: 1035860 972700 63160 0 22660 774340 Sep 24 20:39:47 -/+ buffers/cache: 175700 860160 Sep 24 20:40:01 ah.. Sep 24 20:40:12 I have to find where most of that memory goes.. Sep 24 20:41:59 bbl Sep 24 20:42:04 n8 Sep 24 20:43:01 hrw: Btw, I can second that Linux memory management sux. Lately, I discovered that Linux cannot uncompress tarball which is bigger than memory size. Stupid thing keeps caching stuff in buffers, until it is out of it, and then starts to kill processes. That all of course happens on 64Mb pda. Sep 24 21:03:47 hrw|gone: some people don't seem to have the basic reading skills covered: http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/28712.html Sep 24 21:40:39 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r1c51f8e9... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Sep 24 21:40:39 handhelds-pxa-2.6: Drop 2.6.16-hh6, add 2.6.16-hh7. Sep 24 21:40:39 * Actually, rename. Sep 24 21:40:39 * 2.6.16-hh6 was internal tag, no associated kernel version. -hh7 was Sep 24 21:40:39 tagged recently (in a branch). Sep 24 22:31:55 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rac4c6ed5... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Sep 24 22:31:55 handhelds-pxa-2.6: Split out common bb-code. Sep 24 22:31:55 * Move the code needed to build contemporary versions of kernel to Sep 24 22:31:55 handhelds-pxa-2.6.inc, so it can be reused and maintenance eased Sep 24 22:31:55 (it's nice idea to keep 3-4 major versions around). Sep 24 22:32:04 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * refdb31fe... 10/ (1 packages/linux/handhelds-pxa-2.6_2.6.16-hh5.bb): handhelds-pxa-2.6 2.6.16-hh5: Use handhelds-pxa-2.6.inc. Sep 24 22:32:09 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r7efcdf83... 10/ (1 packages/linux/handhelds-pxa-2.6.inc): handhelds-pxa-2.6.inc: Add h1910 to COMPATIBLE_MACHINE, allow it to be overridable. Sep 24 23:03:40 03blaster8 07org.oe.dev * r667ef499... 10/ (1 packages/linux/ixp4xx-kernel_2.6.18.bb): ixp4xx-kernel: Bump SVN_REV to include full debugging output Sep 24 23:04:46 Has anybody successfully got an OpenEmbedded build to work with ARM/glibc2.4? Sep 24 23:07:38 (In particular, using the new EABI) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 25 02:59:56 2006