**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 25 02:59:56 2006 Sep 25 05:08:44 <[g2]> kergoth around ? Sep 25 05:10:29 <[g2]> is anyone playing with OMAP processors ? Sep 25 05:41:25 [g2], what kind of OMAP ? Sep 25 05:41:49 <[g2]> leoncamel DSM320 Sep 25 05:42:02 <[g2]> or 926ejl Sep 25 05:42:46 [g2], OK. I know nonthing about it . So, what is your problem ? Sep 25 05:44:03 <[g2]> leoncamel thx, but i don't have any problem right now. I thought before I created a new machine I'd check and see what others were up to Sep 25 05:44:49 <[g2]> there's about 500 more rev's till my monotone db will be current Sep 25 05:44:53 [g2], there are a lot of *machine* in org.openembedded.org/conf/machine Sep 25 05:45:16 <[g2]> leoncamel yeah I know Sep 25 05:45:24 [g2], so , find one which is most similiar with yours. Sep 25 05:45:33 <[g2]> ditto Sep 25 05:47:03 [g2], and also, you can compile your kernel by yourself. Sep 25 05:47:16 [g2], you are pulling the monotone db of OE ? Sep 25 05:49:01 <[g2]> leoncamel I've been using OE to build for 2 years Sep 25 05:51:47 [g2], :) Sep 25 05:53:53 [g2], so . how about your OMAP board ? what kind of board is it ? Sep 25 06:04:51 <[g2]> leoncamel http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/neuros-osd-unboxing-202831.php Sep 25 06:05:17 <[g2]> somebody has already posted pics Sep 25 06:07:44 [g2], WOW, it is *real* OPEN device. You can see the hardware and software source code. you can see anything about it.. ;) Sep 25 06:08:29 <[g2]> leoncamel there are some proprietary codecs and TI BS, but yes it's about nearly 100% open Sep 25 06:09:24 [g2], I don't how it works? OSD == on screen display ? Sep 25 06:09:43 <[g2]> on screen device Sep 25 06:09:46 <[g2]> iirc Sep 25 06:10:06 <[g2]> I've got one, I've been playing with it for 2 days Sep 25 06:10:19 <[g2]> I can capture and playback video Sep 25 06:10:26 <[g2]> ASF format Sep 25 06:10:28 [g2], displaying the sentences at bottom the TV ? Sep 25 06:10:49 [g2], is thre wifi ? Sep 25 06:10:56 s/thre/there Sep 25 06:11:19 <[g2]> no, but it's get Ethernet, usb (1.1), CF, SD/MMC Sep 25 06:11:25 <[g2]> s/get/got/ Sep 25 06:12:02 <[g2]> so one could easily a) connect to AP on Ethernet, b,c,d)Plug in wifi adapater on USB, CF, SD Sep 25 06:12:17 [g2], so ? record the program into disk through usb ? or ethernet(nfs) ? Sep 25 06:12:46 <[g2]> have a disk or nfs mount Sep 25 06:13:01 <[g2]> press the "record" button on the remote Sep 25 06:13:17 <[g2]> there's RCA input Sep 25 06:13:26 [g2], wow. that's cool. Sep 25 06:13:30 <[g2]> video + stereo output Sep 25 06:13:35 <[g2]> video + stereo input Sep 25 06:14:05 <[g2]> I'm very pleased with the box Sep 25 06:15:22 [g2], so . the user should setup a NFS server for recording ? Sep 25 06:16:01 <[g2]> leoncamel it's got CF, SD/MMC/Sony, USB -- just plug in virtually any media Sep 25 06:17:25 [g2], hmm, so. how about adding a samba client ? Sep 25 06:17:54 ... Sep 25 06:18:06 thinkgeek has been selling the neuros for a couple weeks now Sep 25 06:18:59 and NFS would be far too slow for vid recording ... Sep 25 06:19:02 <[g2]> emte they sold our in about 10 hours last Wednesday iirc Sep 25 06:19:44 i wonder if that was when i posted the link to it in a couple places ... Sep 25 06:20:06 * emte shrugges Sep 25 06:20:18 <[g2]> dunno it broke news wise in many places Sep 25 06:20:31 <[g2]> what was the first site you posted to ? Sep 25 06:20:38 well if you hurry you can get your money back by killing some of the bounties Sep 25 06:20:49 not sites, dev channels Sep 25 06:20:59 <[g2]> ah Sep 25 06:21:04 as a way to get some extra cash by hitting the bounties Sep 25 06:21:17 since there is a few thousand Sep 25 06:25:12 anyone seen http://qemu.dad-answers.com/viewtopic.php?p=6013&sid=d7cc25dd3d671ba346ac0e5ce9f8a8de that behavior before? Sep 25 06:25:15 running into it Sep 25 06:26:29 <[g2]> hey kergoth Sep 25 06:26:33 i'd like to help, but i hate qemu Sep 25 06:26:37 too messy Sep 25 06:27:52 been playing a bit with skyeye tho Sep 25 06:29:15 <[g2]> wb Sep 25 06:29:47 ah, all better now. helps if you tell qemu to emulate the machine that the kenrel was built for :P Sep 25 06:35:18 <[g2]> heh Sep 25 06:35:37 <[g2]> kergoth are you familiar with the DSM320 at all ? Sep 25 06:35:42 fraid not Sep 25 06:35:59 <[g2]> how about the ARM side of it Sep 25 06:36:18 <[g2]> 926ejs or ejl Sep 25 06:36:57 bonjour Sep 25 06:36:58 have messed with devices using a 926ejs before, but my memory sucks, who knows what i recall and what i dont ;) Sep 25 06:46:23 anyone have experiences or an opinion to share on busybox mdev as a replacement for udev ? Sep 25 06:46:56 (in the context of OE on a nslu2, for example) Sep 25 07:12:25 morning Sep 25 07:12:51 XorA|gprs, morning ? Sep 25 07:13:00 XorA|gprs, gprs ? Sep 25 07:13:20 leoncamel: on me mybile phone Sep 25 07:13:27 mobile Sep 25 07:13:38 XorA|gprs, cool .:) Sep 25 07:13:40 ~ug Sep 25 07:13:45 ~ugt Sep 25 07:13:46 The KDE User Guide can be found at http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/ Sep 25 07:13:47 well, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Sep 25 07:14:00 theuns: yes Sep 25 07:14:04 good morning all Sep 25 07:14:10 hey koen Sep 25 07:14:26 XorA|gprs: first day at wolffson? Sep 25 07:14:50 koen: yup on me way there now Sep 25 07:15:12 must remember to get off at righbt stop Sep 25 07:15:39 XorA|gprs, well. which city ? Sep 25 07:15:58 leoncamel: edinburgh scotland Sep 25 07:17:45 XorA|gprs, :). how are you feeling now ? the first day to wolffson ? Sep 25 07:18:02 leoncamel: nervous Sep 25 07:19:11 ah my stop, see you guys later Sep 25 07:23:00 morning all Sep 25 07:24:32 hey RP Sep 25 07:25:15 morning RP Sep 25 07:25:31 morning RP Sep 25 07:42:24 morning Sep 25 07:43:32 my home machine has reinstallation again Sep 25 07:44:10 ~hail Knopper for knoppix Sep 25 07:44:13 * ibot bows down to Knopper for knoppix and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Sep 25 07:45:30 here is a stupid question: if i build glibc with linux-libc-header-2.6.11-r2, and the kernel is linux-2.4. is it OK ? Sep 25 07:45:51 yes Sep 25 07:46:16 hey hrw Sep 25 07:47:10 hrw|work, and how about gdb then ? Sep 25 07:47:40 leoncamel: glibc headers does not have to match running kernel Sep 25 07:47:42 XorA|gprs, arriving at wolffson ? Sep 25 07:48:16 sitting in mcdonalds round the corner, im early Sep 25 07:49:10 XorA|gprs, well, you still have time to eat breakfast ? Sep 25 07:49:33 mcdonalds != breakfast rather.. ;D Sep 25 07:49:58 only good old tea Sep 25 07:50:03 hrw|work, and how about gdb ? i building gdb-6.3, and it crashed here. Sep 25 07:50:18 had breakfast hurs ago Sep 25 07:50:59 hrw|work, aha . :) sure, I am curious about it. Sep 25 07:51:25 XorA|gprs, what a wonderfully day today. ;) Sep 25 07:51:51 leoncamel: deep fog here Sep 25 07:52:37 although unlike my house you can see in town Sep 25 07:53:04 XorA|gprs, :). wow Sep 25 07:54:09 anyway i is off again Sep 25 08:02:53 ~lart pavel machek Sep 25 08:02:53 * ibot takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking pavel machek's head off Sep 25 08:03:40 Hi, all! I got this error at the end of build: + ipkg-cl -f /home/slapin/Palm/hh-rootfs/build-palmz72-gpe/tmp/work/armv5te-linux/gpe-image-1.0-r21/temp/ipkg.conf -o /home/slapin/Palm/hh-rootfs/build-palmz72-gpe/tmp/rootfs update Sep 25 08:03:40 | ipkg: Cannot create directory `/usr/lib/ipkg': Permission denied Sep 25 08:03:40 | Downloading file:/home/slapin/Palm/hh-rootfs/build-palmz72-gpe/tmp/deploy/ipk/Packages Sep 25 08:03:40 | Updated list of available packages in /home/slapin/Palm/hh-rootfs/build-palmz72-gpe/tmp/rootfs//usr/lib/ipkg/lists/oe Sep 25 08:03:41 | + '[' '!' -z 'locale-base-de-de locale-base-fr-fr locale-base-en-gb' ']' Sep 25 08:03:43 | + ipkg-cl -f /home/slapin/Palm/hh-rootfs/build-palmz72-gpe/tmp/work/armv5te-linux/gpe-image-1.0-r21/temp/ipkg.conf -o /home/slapin/Palm/hh-rootfs/build-palmz72-gpe/tmp/rootfs install glibc-localedata-i18n Sep 25 08:03:46 | ipkg: Cannot create directory `/usr/lib/ipkg': Permission denied Sep 25 08:03:48 | Nothing to be done Sep 25 08:03:50 | An error ocurred, return value: 4. Sep 25 08:03:54 | Collected errors: Sep 25 08:03:56 | Cannot find package glibc-localedata-i18n. Sep 25 08:03:57 slapin: use pastebin! Sep 25 08:03:58 | Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' Sep 25 08:03:59 ~pastebin Sep 25 08:04:00 Any ideas on fixing? Sep 25 08:04:01 it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/ (BROKEN AND SUCKING NUTS), or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or for #oe use http://oe.pastebin.com, or http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/, or http://paste.lisp.org/ for the lisp/scheme nuts, or http://paste-it.net Sep 25 08:04:29 it is from bitbake gpe-image Sep 25 08:04:52 hrw|work: I am surely will from now on. Sep 25 08:08:05 slapin: probably your feeds are broken Sep 25 08:08:54 hrw|work: I build from bitbake, without any feeds, just plain tree... Sep 25 08:09:03 (Familiar one) Sep 25 08:09:20 then go to #familiar Sep 25 08:09:27 this is about openembedded, not familiar Sep 25 08:11:14 koen: as I understand, they share build process and tools? Sep 25 08:11:43 no, they forked and are using ancient tools Sep 25 08:12:46 If you want support here get bitbake 1.6.0 and use the org.openembedded.{dev or dreambox or oz354x} branch Sep 25 08:14:23 koen: I use bitbake 1.6.0 Sep 25 08:15:07 but not a org.openembedded.* branch Sep 25 08:15:08 Despite familiar not supporting bitbake > 1.3.x Sep 25 08:15:57 RP: that finished building, the mess started on rootfs creation process :( Sep 25 08:20:03 http://pastebin.ca/181667 Sep 25 08:25:22 a stupid question : how can I add new file with quilt ? Sep 25 08:27:32 leoncamel: Its the same as adding a file you want to change Sep 25 08:32:42 RP, 1) quilt new mypatch 2) cp xx here 3) quilt add xx 4) quilt diff ? Sep 25 08:32:56 s/diff/refresh Sep 25 08:33:56 hrw|work, yes I did quilt refresh. but , I can't find the *new* file. but I could get the modification on a existing file. Sep 25 08:34:33 hrw|work, quilt refresh && quilt diff. I can't get the patch section of the new file. Sep 25 08:35:27 leoncamel: did you added it into patch with quilt add? Sep 25 08:35:38 hrw|work, yes. I do. Sep 25 08:37:47 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * re7a08dfe... 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) Sep 25 08:37:47 perl 5.8.7: Fix the perl shared library generation for sh3/sh4 Sep 25 08:37:47 targets: Sep 25 08:37:47 - You cannot link using LD on sh3/sh4, since ld fails to link in the Sep 25 08:37:47 hidden library of weak symbols that is needed. Ccc knows about this Sep 25 08:37:48 library and correctly links it in. The generate_config_sh script Sep 25 08:37:50 was replacing the configred linker with LD from the environment and Sep 25 08:38:23 leoncamel: Add the file before cp Sep 25 08:39:46 03blaster8 07org.oe.dev * r510f18c6... 10/ (18 files in 9 dirs): Sep 25 08:39:46 busybox: remove mdev support Sep 25 08:39:46 mdev: add separate mdev package creating standalone executable Sep 25 08:39:46 * adjust mdev.conf to create /dev/buzzer link Sep 25 08:39:46 * change slugos-image.bb to include standalone mdev Sep 25 08:41:31 Merged these two commits Sep 25 08:42:11 RP, ok thanks. :) Sep 25 08:42:53 koen: ping Sep 25 08:43:47 if anyone wants to play with mdev, there is now a separate mdev package Sep 25 08:44:20 the package creates a busybox executable which only contains mdev, and drops it into /sbin/mdev Sep 25 08:44:31 10kB Sep 25 08:45:01 all the documentation required is here: http://busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html#item_mdev Sep 25 08:46:25 which package ipkg.py is in? Sep 25 08:50:28 morning Sep 25 09:03:01 morning all Sep 25 09:04:39 hi ade|desk Sep 25 09:04:50 system reinstallation finished. Sep 25 09:06:08 grr our SAP guys wanted a 64bit windows install, now they want it 32bit cos they can't get R/3 installed on 64bit yet SAP OSS say it can be done ..grrrr! Sep 25 09:13:37 hey ade|desk Sep 25 09:13:40 got an A780 off ebay Sep 25 09:14:00 gave up on hi-mobile Sep 25 09:14:49 ade|desk: cool, how much did you pay? Sep 25 09:15:48 loads Sep 25 09:16:07 ~change 206 gbp to eur Sep 25 09:16:12 206.00 Pound (GBP) makes 306.823 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/) Sep 25 09:16:16 doh Sep 25 09:16:50 thankfully its in very good condition and has the gps stuff Sep 25 09:17:39 ade|desk: that's ok Sep 25 09:17:40 florian_kc: i see from the ml you are playing with one too, but 2.4ing it Sep 25 09:17:48 how much was yours? Sep 25 09:18:30 ade|desk: yes right, i need a useful environment for application development soon Sep 25 09:19:18 ade|desk: i don't know exactly... kc bought two of them Sep 25 09:19:45 iirc one with gps and one without for ~500 EUR Sep 25 09:19:45 ade|desk, what does "gbp" means ? Sep 25 09:20:21 Great Brittain Pounds iirc Sep 25 09:20:30 morning all Sep 25 09:20:35 hey lrg Sep 25 09:20:56 hi liam Sep 25 09:21:39 hi lrg Sep 25 09:37:16 sorry was afk Sep 25 09:37:26 florian_kc: cool Sep 25 09:37:49 koen how are you doing with yours? Sep 25 09:38:27 close to running it over with a steamroller Sep 25 09:38:51 dunno what the engineers for the 'asian firmware' were thinking Sep 25 09:39:06 but I know that 'making calls' wasn't high on their prio list Sep 25 09:39:27 it takes less action to play a fricking movie than to make a call Sep 25 09:40:18 hehe Sep 25 09:40:26 try saving a received call to the address book Sep 25 09:40:52 it isn't in the context menu in the 'received calls' list Sep 25 09:41:03 hrm... we can flash it through usb but can't do backups in this way? Sep 25 09:41:43 florian_kc: it support FOTA as well, so your telco can flash it for you Sep 25 09:41:50 via GSM/GPRS Sep 25 09:42:04 ~stab Flash Over The Air Sep 25 09:42:06 * ibot runs at Flash Over The Air with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. Sep 25 09:42:28 nasty Sep 25 09:43:18 * florian_kc just wants an easy way to make a backup before trying his own image Sep 25 09:43:28 my phone has an option to save each unknown number Sep 25 09:43:45 hrw|work: your phone isn't made by motorola Sep 25 09:44:16 the standard motorola UI sucks, the linux based UI sucks harder and the asian version sucks the hardest Sep 25 09:46:25 my next phone will be a SE or Nokia Sep 25 09:46:40 (or mickeyl's phone is it's cheap and good) Sep 25 09:46:47 koen: ok, you should not try the 968 ;) Sep 25 09:47:29 the 968 lacks bluetooth Sep 25 09:47:51 right Sep 25 09:47:57 the a780 lacks bluetooth as well Sep 25 09:47:59 some beginner question about Bluetooth. where can I find the BT protocol stack ? with full source code and full feature list ? Sep 25 09:48:19 the chip is there, but the software to actually use it in a sane way is missing Sep 25 09:48:34 leoncamel: bluez.org? Sep 25 09:49:01 leoncamel: bluez, and then there is (was) another FOSS stack, I cannot remember the name of, but googling will help. Sep 25 09:49:20 koen, so what do you mean "software" exactly ? protocol stack + user applications ? Sep 25 09:49:48 likewise, what is FOSS ? Sep 25 09:49:53 likewise: A.... it was Sep 25 09:49:57 ~foss Sep 25 09:49:59 i guess foss is Free and Open Source Software Sep 25 09:50:35 florian_kc: http://wiki.openezx.org/Backups Sep 25 09:51:11 likewise: affix is dead Sep 25 09:51:13 likewise, BTW, is there website for beginners about BT ? Sep 25 09:51:21 koen: ok Sep 25 09:51:55 koen, so. affix is dead. and bluez is still alive ? Sep 25 09:52:03 leoncamel: NutOS has its own bt stack iirc, Affix you mean? Sep 25 09:52:03 Axis OpenBT as well? Or was never alive? Sep 25 09:52:04 the biggest proponent of affix (nokia) is using bluez now Sep 25 09:52:18 :-) Sep 25 09:52:24 stefan_schmidt: many thanks Sep 25 09:52:35 florian_kc: np Sep 25 09:54:13 hmm... interesting is DumpFW able to restore as well? Sep 25 09:54:27 florian_kc, and does the NutOS is still alive ? Sep 25 09:54:59 03blaster8 07org.oe.dev * re1007e8f... 10/ (1 packages/linux/ixp4xx-kernel_2.6.17.bb): Sep 25 09:54:59 ixp4xx-kernel: Update 2.6.17 patch grab URL Sep 25 09:54:59 * Reflects changes to structure of NSLU2-Linux Kernel SVN Repository Sep 25 09:55:51 leoncamel: yes, but i don't think it supports half as much as bluez does Sep 25 09:56:59 florian_kc, ok. the bluez is a better choice. is it a best choice currently ? Sep 25 09:58:41 btw, recent article on BT in Linux. Don't know how good it is, I'm dummy in that area myself ;-) Sep 25 09:58:41 so the bluez is running at User Land ? Sep 25 09:58:41 http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2006/09/21/rediscovering-bluetooth.html Sep 25 09:59:08 psokolovsky, :) . thanks Sep 25 09:59:53 leoncamel: dpends on what you intend to do - for linux it is what you want. if you want to use more simple devices where linux doesn't run bluez won't be fun as well. Sep 25 10:00:39 florian_kc, OK. I got it. so the best choice on Linux, right ? Sep 25 10:00:57 florian_kc: Never used DumpFW. Never did a backup myself. :) Sep 25 10:02:10 leoncamel: Yes, it is the official bluetooth stack inside the kernel. Sep 25 10:03:20 OK. thanks. I have to read a lot of document about BT *first*. :) thanks your all. Sep 25 10:04:07 leoncamel: depends on your hardware and what it should be used for Sep 25 10:05:14 stefan_schmidt: hmm right, i guess it is not really important to back up a fresh installed original firmware Sep 25 10:06:28 florian_kc: Right. If it is a devel phone you only need to care about the bootloader. Sep 25 10:08:04 stefan_schmidt: exactly... and i guess worst case i can get this somewhere, i read the location of the jtag pins is known Sep 25 10:08:43 not that i ever destroyed a booltloader of one of my devices... but i don't fear jtag :-) Sep 25 10:10:13 florian_kc: It's always good to know to have the jtag opinion. :) Sep 25 10:11:13 s/opinion/option/ Sep 25 10:11:34 yeah Sep 25 10:12:04 stefan_schmidt: indeed Sep 25 10:16:20 leoncamel: when it comes to linux you do not have choice - only bluez Sep 25 10:21:07 hrw|work, OK. thanks. Sep 25 10:58:56 morning Sep 25 10:59:39 hey XorA Sep 25 11:04:05 hi XorA|wolfson Sep 25 11:26:40 hi XorA Sep 25 11:51:01 mikearthur: I have your stuff held hostage :-) Sep 25 11:51:16 XorA: what stuff? Sep 25 11:51:22 you at wolfson now? Sep 25 12:03:05 mikearthur: yeah Sep 25 12:03:14 say hi to the other guys from me Sep 25 12:06:25 hey mikearthur Sep 25 12:06:30 hey lrg Sep 25 12:06:34 was meaning to talk to you Sep 25 12:06:49 firstly, the term is going to be absolutely insane, work wise Sep 25 12:06:54 so the tosa isn't going to see any love Sep 25 12:07:02 so I may as well bring it back to you guys at some stage Sep 25 12:14:59 <[g2]> koen my a780 does bluetooth Sep 25 12:19:15 [g2]: but not in a usefull way Sep 25 12:19:43 <[g2]> koen wireless headset is nicwe Sep 25 12:19:49 btw, anyone know mickeyl's rl address? Sep 25 12:19:49 <[g2]> s/nicwe/nice/ Sep 25 12:20:29 <[g2]> planet earth ? Sep 25 12:20:31 mithro: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/resume/ Sep 25 12:28:42 03MartinDietze 07org.oe.dev * r4c936b40... 10/ (1 packages/busybox/busybox-1.2.1/nylon/defconfig): busybox: nylon no longer uses busybox-vi but elvis-tiny instead. Sep 25 12:28:47 03MartinDietze 07org.oe.dev * rc140ab43... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): wpa-supplicant, hostap: fixed wrong syntax for mtx-[12] conditional entries in recipes. Sep 25 12:28:53 03MartinDietze 07org.oe.dev * rcbdfe29e... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): nylon images and feed: use elvis-tiny as standard editor instead of busybox-vi. Sep 25 12:28:58 03MartinDietze 07org.oe.dev * rb3887db5... 10/ (1 packages/nylon/nylon-scripts_cvs.bb): nylon-scripts: upped SRCDATE as a more recent version is now used by nylon. Sep 25 12:29:05 03MartinDietze 07org.oe.dev * rd6a8fb6a... 10/ (1 packages/elvis/elvis_2.2.0.bb): elvis: added missing DEPENDS on ncurses. Sep 25 12:36:41 XorA: did you 'ps' patch work? Sep 25 12:49:01 koen: havent had time to test yet, the -e part works though Sep 25 13:06:20 koen: any combo of -e/e -x/x is now accepted and gnored Sep 25 13:06:31 ah, cool Sep 25 13:23:20 someone know how bad we are when it comes to busybox patches? Sep 25 13:23:54 hrw|work: mount-all patch is needed and missing Sep 25 13:24:08 hrw|work: it doesnt apply so I guess no-one had chance to re-munge it yet Sep 25 13:25:01 someone already tried libbusybox1 package? Sep 25 13:30:29 XorA, bigger question - should we just apply busybox pacthes we need on our own, or bring them back to busybox people. For example, ps issue on busybox 1.2 is just stupid. Sep 25 13:31:46 psokolovsky: should merge them upstream Sep 25 13:35:27 question I have... Sep 25 13:35:51 if my patch is in 'I will merge' queue already then how I should send updated version? Sep 25 13:36:16 as whole new patch which include older or as patch which need previous patch? Sep 25 13:36:47 ~lart putting pcmcia IDs in drivers Sep 25 13:36:47 * ibot stabs putting pcmcia IDs in drivers Sep 25 13:43:14 * mrz80 is away: Metaphysically I'm still here; physically, I'm elsewhere Sep 25 14:06:54 morning Sep 25 14:15:02 hrw|work: Who's queue are we talking about? Sep 25 14:17:30 NOTE: package busybox-1.2.1-r1.7 Sep 25 14:17:33 r1.7?!?!? Sep 25 14:18:17 RP: -mm Sep 25 14:18:47 * mrz80 is back (gone 00:35:33) Sep 25 14:18:55 RP: I have new version of pcmcia-ids patch Sep 25 14:19:11 hrw|work: Just send an updated patch, with the same subject line as the original (maybe include something like [PATCH -mm updated] as a prefix) Sep 25 14:19:40 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r12ad6baf... 10/ (1 packages/busybox/busybox_1.2.1.bb): busybox 1.2.1: set PR to something sane Sep 25 14:19:57 heh - not 100? :) Sep 25 14:20:34 time to update my git tree Sep 25 14:20:53 koen: I noticed that slugos (& other router os) people like those fractional PRs Sep 25 14:21:41 psokolovsky: I use such ones too Sep 25 14:22:17 PR = "r1.2" == 3rd attempt to get it working before I will submit it as r2 Sep 25 14:23:19 hrw|work, koen: then probably should mention it somewhere in style guide ;-) Sep 25 14:25:22 What is the point in a fractional PR though? Why not just bump the number? Its not as if we're short of them... Sep 25 14:26:29 RP: Debian use fractional ones to mark NMUs Sep 25 14:26:56 RP: we might reach 2^32 one day Sep 25 14:29:01 XorA: PR = "r234234234729472347249327401234102831028327534565724732945723752341" should be still valid anyway ;D Sep 25 14:29:20 hrw|work: though Ill bet ipkg buffer overflows Sep 25 14:29:43 until that time we will move to other package manager Sep 25 14:31:26 XorA, :). how about your first-day work ? Sep 25 14:35:36 le ok so far Sep 25 14:35:52 leoncamel: ok so far Sep 25 14:36:23 XorA, :) Sep 25 14:56:49 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r31839149... 10/ (8 files in 4 dirs): linux-oz: added one more CF card into hrw-pcmcia-ids patch Sep 25 14:56:54 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r87db81c8... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): linux-oz: added forgotten patch Sep 25 14:57:00 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rb7985c9b... 10/ (14 files in 6 dirs): linux-oz: added one more CF card into hrw-pcmcia-ids patch Sep 25 14:59:18 I go home now to fight with my home machine Sep 25 14:59:19 cu Sep 25 15:01:48 a+ Sep 25 15:34:54 ~seen pgfeller Sep 25 15:35:08 pgfeller was last seen on IRC in channel #familiar, 20h 7m 50s ago, saying: 'Hi ZaRaTuStra'. Sep 25 15:53:32 re Sep 25 15:54:04 RP: ping Sep 25 16:48:19 cu Sep 25 16:57:17 koen: Now I have a bad busybox hack for ps, what should I do with it :-) Busybox ps sucks :-( Sep 25 16:57:43 apply, bump PR, send a note to the busybox mailinglist Sep 25 17:38:11 hrw|gone: pong Sep 25 17:38:31 wow Sep 25 17:38:45 RP has a Wake-on-lan IRC packet :) Sep 25 17:38:56 RP: do you know any patches from our 2.6.17 which would be nice to give for oz 3.5.4.1 users? Sep 25 17:39:11 koen: I'm alive for ~5 minutes - busy in ircnet Sep 25 17:39:12 hrw: For which models? Sep 25 17:39:19 RP: clamshells Sep 25 17:39:32 hrw: You backported qvga? Sep 25 17:39:37 RP: yes Sep 25 17:39:40 hrw: I guess the other would be overlays Sep 25 17:39:57 added also Sep 25 17:40:02 hrw: and perhaps updates ASoC but I'm not backporting that ;-) Sep 25 17:40:34 for asoc I would rather give .17 then backporting Sep 25 17:40:41 hrw: exactly Sep 25 17:40:54 but .16 is tested by users and they know how it works Sep 25 17:41:17 RP: hrw ASoC 11.5 works on 2.6.16, without any changes Sep 25 17:41:33 XorA|gone: can you patch recipe for it? Sep 25 17:41:33 * XorA|gone has it on his c7x0 Sep 25 17:41:51 hrw: tomorrow I can, give me a nudge Sep 25 17:42:02 ~dict nudge Sep 25 17:42:03 XorA|gone: has your other dog arrived yet? Sep 25 17:42:04 Dictionary 'nudge' (2 of 6): push into action by pestering or annoying gently ;; to push against gently; "She nudged my elbow when she saw her friend enter the restaurant" . Sep 25 17:42:05 hrw: Ill do it in my new capacity as ASoC person Sep 25 17:42:14 XorA|gone: ok Sep 25 17:42:15 koen: not yet, should have been posted today Sep 25 17:42:16 Hmm. Its a while since I looked at the 2.6.16 .bb file. Its got a lot of patches :) Sep 25 17:42:37 RP: .17 and .18 was touched today too Sep 25 17:43:03 hrw: is socket wlan prism2? Sep 25 17:43:24 hrw: .17 was more poodle development and fixes. I don't think there's that much else to backport Sep 25 17:43:56 XorA|gone: connect+? Sep 25 17:44:16 XorA|gone: connect+ is prism3 iirc Sep 25 17:44:17 hrw: thats sandisk Sep 25 17:44:32 ah. Sep 25 17:44:58 Ill check tomorrow, there is one with that poodle Liam has, then I can find out if me kernel oops is prism3 only Sep 25 17:48:27 * XorA|gone is off again Sep 25 18:00:25 food time... Sep 25 18:00:42 I go 2-3m away to prepare kind of dinner Sep 25 18:30:19 03blaster8 07org.oe.dev * re8a49d4e... 10/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Sep 25 18:30:19 ixp4xx-kernel: Bump SVN to add new ixp_npe driver fixes Sep 25 18:30:19 slugos-init: adjustments to loadmodules.sh script Sep 25 18:30:19 mdev: Fake hotplug firmware loading implemented in a script Sep 25 18:30:48 blaster8: How are you finding mdev compared to udev? Sep 25 18:31:02 mixed Sep 25 18:31:08 it is very fast Sep 25 18:31:18 but I am missing the lack of firmware loading support Sep 25 18:31:28 so I wrote my own, in script form, which works fine Sep 25 18:31:50 also, the implementation I've sorted is much less hacky than the current udev implementation Sep 25 18:32:03 I find udev quite slow but I suspect mdev won't have functionality which the Zaurii use... Sep 25 18:32:08 why? Sep 25 18:32:19 all it is missing is firmware loading Sep 25 18:32:35 and the udev rule system... Sep 25 18:32:36 blaster8: Can it handle modalias rules? Sep 25 18:32:48 no, modules are loaded by hand Sep 25 18:32:57 as far as I am concerned, that is an advantage, mind Sep 25 18:33:06 Its not on the Zaurus Sep 25 18:33:11 ? Sep 25 18:33:25 We also use the modalias to generate /dev/input/touchsceen0 Sep 25 18:33:38 no way of doing that with symlinks? Sep 25 18:33:49 udev generates the symlink :) Sep 25 18:34:00 Well, just do that by hand, it's not rocket science Sep 25 18:34:11 I'm sure I could do it with a script but it is what udev was designed for Sep 25 18:34:30 Also, on the Zaurus, users don't want to modprobe things Sep 25 18:34:44 03blaster8 07org.oe.dev * rcb2881a0... 10/ (1 packages/mdev/mdev-1.2.1/slugos/loadmicrocode.sh): mdev: add missing file Sep 25 18:34:47 RP, btw the sound worked nicely after using alsamixer. And the kernel seems stable and fast :D Sep 25 18:34:59 Kristoffer: Excellent :) Sep 25 18:35:15 RP: what might you need to modprobe, out of interest? Sep 25 18:35:26 Kristoffer: Words you never find associated with the 2.4 kernels ;-) Sep 25 18:35:27 aren't the features pretty static Sep 25 18:35:36 blaster8: Is has USB host Sep 25 18:35:44 aah Sep 25 18:35:52 RP, lol :D true Sep 25 18:36:40 blaster8: Also, the usb-gadget system (g_ether etc) Sep 25 18:37:00 So you probably need udev Sep 25 18:37:08 blaster8: right :-/ Sep 25 18:37:29 blaseter8: how well would mdev handle pcmcia changes? Sep 25 18:37:42 blaster8: mdev might be useful on some models like collie... Sep 25 18:37:50 ? if hotplug events are sent from the kernel, then mdev will handle it Sep 25 18:38:06 it won't autoload modules, though Sep 25 18:38:40 mdev creates and deletes device nodes, and has the ability to run scripts before/after these device nodes are created/deleted Sep 25 18:38:55 therefore, for a 10KB executable, it's pretty flexible Sep 25 18:38:56 * mrz80 is away: Metaphysically I'm still here; physically, I'm elsewhere Sep 25 18:39:37 blaster8: I'd be happy with udev if it would boot a bit faster. There are things which can be adjusted to help that though Sep 25 18:40:16 RP: did you consider using bash or dash in poky? Sep 25 18:40:47 koen: bash is tempting although I doubt mallum would approve ;-) Sep 25 18:41:12 RP: you have room to spare on clamshells and it really speeds up udev and booting Sep 25 18:41:30 what about udev-syntetize in C? Sep 25 18:41:48 doesn't udev 094 have that? Sep 25 18:41:53 koen: Do you know how it speeds up udev? Sep 25 18:42:10 even with bash installed, /bin/sh being bash is bad policy in distros in general imo Sep 25 18:42:14 koen: did not tried Sep 25 18:42:50 RP: more built-in functions and less overhead as busybox Sep 25 18:43:35 kergoth: do_rootfs breaks with /bin/sh being dash atm Sep 25 18:44:13 kergoth: /bin/sh being ash is any better? Sep 25 18:44:42 koen: I'll try it at some point... Sep 25 18:46:43 kergoth: that breaks stuff Sep 25 18:47:08 if startup scripts are using bashisms, they're broken. Sep 25 18:47:29 and if they use bashisms, they should be using #!/bin/bash, not /bin/sh Sep 25 18:47:42 kergoth: some configure scripts too Sep 25 18:47:58 kergoth: I agree on that. That doesn't mean having /bin/sh as being bash is wrong though, just dangerous Sep 25 18:48:24 * kergoth nods Sep 25 18:48:56 oprofile was an annoying one although I removed the bashisms in that Sep 25 18:49:10 ugh, yes i remember that one Sep 25 18:50:53 I'm looking for a low power x86 SBC with OE support, and I may have money Sep 25 18:51:02 Any suggestions? Sep 25 18:51:19 Crofton: olpc? Sep 25 18:52:45 hmmm Sep 25 18:53:09 Crofton: its low power and OE rootfs was first which booted on it Sep 25 18:53:41 can I buy one, easily? Sep 25 18:53:53 I was more thinking something minus display Sep 25 18:54:04 but this is an interesting idea Sep 25 18:54:05 Crofton: devboard lack screen rather Sep 25 18:55:05 I need something with a FPU for software radio work Sep 25 18:56:22 386? Sep 25 18:57:21 386 haven't FP ... Sep 25 18:57:28 486 have Sep 25 18:58:16 not 486sx Sep 25 19:00:01 oki, 486 then Sep 25 19:02:34 afk Sep 25 19:08:40 heh - if you're going to get an OLPC, then just buy a geode thin client Sep 25 19:08:47 its all the same crap Sep 25 19:09:00 you can get a olpc for free Sep 25 19:58:34 cu Sep 25 19:59:28 * mrz80 is back (gone 01:20:33) Sep 25 20:10:23 I'm trying to use links2 with fb I ran "links -g -driver fb" and I get the following error: "Could not get VT mode" anyone seen this before? Sep 25 20:12:53 the ioctl on your current tty probably failed Sep 25 20:18:58 CosmicPenguin, I guess I will start there.. I'm using the PXA270 FB driver so I'm supprised it is not working... I have tested the fb by dumping to /dev/fb0 and it works well, also I can enable the kernel fb console support and it works as well. Sep 25 20:20:49 make sure the devices exist and that they are readable Sep 25 20:21:34 CosmicPenguin, I'll doublecheck everything again.. Sep 25 20:23:09 Since you are running on a PXA270 device, its possible that links is running ttyname(0) and getting /dev/ttyS0 back Sep 25 20:23:12 assuming you are running on serial Sep 25 20:23:27 or rather - using a serial console to start links Sep 25 21:24:47 CosmicPenguin, tell me where I can get a geode thin client ... Sep 25 21:25:29 http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=geode+gx Sep 25 21:26:10 http://froogle.google.com/froogle_url?q=http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php%3Fproducts_id%3D600&fr=AAJ1UDbu2BYd3saqLrqdBLxn9cd-FeLEAp8je5aP9P-xBOVihyiaU1EAAAAAAAAAAA&gl=us&hl=en Sep 25 21:26:34 http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=geode+lx Sep 25 21:26:39 high speed usb? Sep 25 21:26:40 also, lippert-at.com Sep 25 21:27:09 They should all have high speed usb - I'm not aware of a LX/5535 combo for sale Sep 25 21:27:19 but its technically possible, I guess Sep 25 21:27:35 lx5535 would only have full speed usb? Sep 25 21:29:01 the 5535 can only do full-speed thats correct Sep 25 21:36:56 g'night Sep 25 21:39:32 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * ra88f8d7e... 10/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Sep 25 21:39:32 * add unifdef-native, an utility from 2.6.18-git that's used to generate userland headers Sep 25 21:39:32 * make linux-libc-headers DEPEND on unifdef-native Sep 25 21:46:40 thanks CosmicPenguin Sep 25 21:47:16 CosmicPenguin, easy to build images from OE for these? Sep 25 21:47:30 oh yeah Sep 25 21:47:50 just use target i586-linux Sep 25 21:47:52 ok Sep 25 21:48:11 We had a meeting where we were trying to spend some money Sep 25 21:49:53 <[g2]> anybody know whether QEMU works with gcc 4.1 ? Sep 25 21:50:45 [g2]: The standard qemu warns it doesn't. There is a 4.x compatible branch somewhere Sep 25 21:52:13 <[g2]> RP thx, the qemu for openezx must not use that one Sep 25 21:52:26 <[g2]> s/openezx/angstrom/ Sep 25 22:20:38 Is there any OE marketing stuff? Sep 25 22:20:50 history, supported platforms etc? Sep 25 22:47:37 aside from the stuff on the website, the presentations, and the wiki? Sep 25 22:48:03 there was some silly person who volunteered to do up a bunch of stuff at one point Sep 25 22:48:10 yeah Sep 26 00:02:32 morning ~! Sep 26 02:19:01 night Sep 26 02:20:19 night Sep 26 02:38:47 morning ~! Sep 26 02:41:27 kergoth: How's openhand? Sep 26 02:43:02 pretty good. still thinking about getting out of coding for a job, but its pretty good. dont hate it, and thats better than most jobs i've had Sep 26 02:43:48 Well, better than nothing I guess Sep 26 02:44:41 aye **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 26 02:59:56 2006