**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 07 02:59:57 2006 Oct 07 08:22:52 * Varoudis echo "Hello World!" Oct 07 09:02:51 hi there Oct 07 11:52:25 pretty quiet in here Oct 07 11:52:44 yes, every one is focused Oct 07 11:53:20 koen_oedem: zecke: hi Oct 07 12:13:22 focused? :) Oct 07 12:14:10 03koen 07org.oe.packaged-staging * r7272e175... 10/ (1 classes/packaged-staging.bbclass): packaged-staging.bbclass: add some usage notes Oct 07 12:14:18 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r4a0f2707... 10/ (1 classes/packaged-staging.bbclass): Oct 07 12:14:18 packaged-staging.bbclass: Add a class to put staging/ under package management Oct 07 12:14:18 * see the notes inside the class how to use it Oct 07 12:14:18 * to view development history, have a look at the org.openembedded.packaged-staging branch Oct 07 12:15:26 koen: focused? Oct 07 12:15:38 zecke: I am Oct 07 12:15:55 on what? Oct 07 12:16:05 on your striped sweater Oct 07 12:16:47 koen: I have everything striped, with every color Oct 07 12:18:42 ...all...the...colors... Oct 07 12:20:52 hi koen. Have you seen my PM? Oct 07 12:21:16 nicolasfr: I affraid not Oct 07 12:22:05 does OE download 'mkimage' for me and put it somewhere? Oct 07 12:22:09 just send it again, do you see it? Oct 07 12:22:15 i'm trying to find it ;) Oct 07 12:22:28 mkimage comes from u-boot Oct 07 12:22:39 ahh, now i remember Oct 07 12:23:34 btw spitz/updater.sh needs to be edited in org.oe.dev (Angstrom) to add support for C3200. Oct 07 12:23:54 Crofton: where does u-boot get assembled in OE? is it specified in the bb file? Oct 07 12:24:15 i tried a 'find mkimage' ... but it doesn't appear to turn up Oct 07 12:24:19 kernel depends on u-boot Oct 07 12:24:30 should be in staging bin somewhere Oct 07 12:24:38 'staging' ... thanks Oct 07 12:24:42 tmp/staging Oct 07 12:24:46 yep Oct 07 12:24:55 sorry I am not much more help Oct 07 12:25:09 laptop is on the hotel window on a trash can Oct 07 12:25:18 no, that's fine... i was in the right spot... some more finds should help me get it Oct 07 12:25:26 ooh... that's kind of dicey Oct 07 12:25:29 yeah Oct 07 12:25:37 leeching wifi ? Oct 07 12:25:42 the wireless is kind of spoty :) Oct 07 12:25:56 well they have free city wide wireless at the moment Oct 07 12:26:12 oh, cool. sucks it's spotty, tho Oct 07 12:26:16 yeah Oct 07 12:26:17 cantenna, ftw ! Oct 07 12:26:29 I was wandering about with my 770 yesterday and not having luck Oct 07 12:26:44 yeah, I need an eternal nic so I can do antenna stuff Oct 07 12:28:18 'mkimage' gets tucked in '../tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin' if anyone needs to find it ;) Oct 07 12:28:42 all in good time, i suppose Oct 07 12:28:48 i've been wanting to make a cantenna for a while Oct 07 12:30:57 yello! Oct 07 12:31:28 is mr rp present? Oct 07 12:31:48 rp? Oct 07 12:32:10 d: hi? Oct 07 12:32:24 hi there! Oct 07 12:32:58 so SRAM accelerated pxafb is supported now is it? Oct 07 12:33:11 no? Oct 07 12:33:22 no? Oct 07 12:33:26 ? Oct 07 12:33:49 just that koen can't seem to make his mind up on this Oct 07 12:33:55 we have pxafb overlay support. We don't have SRAM support yet Oct 07 12:34:09 he just posted to oesf saying there was an SRAM patch Oct 07 12:34:32 There is an SRAM patch. We don't use it as it isn't hooked into pxafb Oct 07 12:34:59 so is SRAM support just a matter of finding time to do it or do you not know quite how yet? Oct 07 12:35:10 oh right Oct 07 12:35:26 is that a big job? Oct 07 12:36:40 For QVGA, it should be straightforward. For VGA, there is someone working on it but its much harder as VGA doesn't fit into SRAM Oct 07 12:37:16 will X and SDL automatically be a bit faster once SRAM support goes in or will they both need to be patched? Oct 07 12:37:39 it would be automatic Oct 07 12:37:51 great great great! Oct 07 12:37:55 :) Oct 07 12:38:08 who's hadling vga? Oct 07 12:38:15 handling, even Oct 07 12:39:07 To install Angstrom I have just built on my C3200 I guess I have to "tar zcf" the rootfs (bitbake has made a bz2)? Oct 07 12:40:09 I mean I have just build Angstrom and want to install on the C3200... Oct 07 12:40:48 rp: is there not some any res between QVGA and VGA that the Z screen can display that would fit into SRAM? Oct 07 12:40:59 it might not be possible for VGA, we don't know. See the Linux-arm-Kernel mailing list about posts from a Steve Newbury Oct 07 12:41:35 d: The screen can only display two resolutions Oct 07 12:41:50 ah well! Oct 07 12:41:57 i appear to have my mkimage command incorrect. " mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 0x10008000 -n "Linux Kernel Image" " Oct 07 12:42:00 any suggestions? Oct 07 12:42:46 Thanks for answering all my questions RP! Oct 07 12:44:50 Crofton: still about? Oct 07 12:46:17 yeah Oct 07 12:46:52 the 'mkimage' command that Dirk gave to me refers to a /tftboot/uimage file Oct 07 12:47:01 is 'uimage' an app or something? Oct 07 12:47:12 that sounds like the output file Oct 07 12:47:19 can you email me the file? Oct 07 12:47:40 i don't have a uimage file... that's what i'm trying to find Oct 07 12:47:44 i can forward his e-mail, if you'd like Oct 07 12:47:57 uIamge is the kernel that gets loaded into the OSK Oct 07 12:48:19 hrm... Oct 07 12:48:26 let me forward you his e-mail Oct 07 12:48:29 ok Oct 07 12:48:43 run the command and you shoud get the uimage file Oct 07 12:49:44 mosi,mosi Oct 07 12:49:54 Crofton: the command he gave me doesn't work Oct 07 12:50:06 hmm Oct 07 12:50:15 what happens? can you pastebin the result? Oct 07 12:50:28 ohhh Oct 07 12:50:28 i got it Oct 07 12:50:45 the explanation of what 'uimage' was helped Oct 07 12:50:52 :) Oct 07 12:50:56 just a name/location i choose Oct 07 12:50:56 :) Oct 07 12:51:01 exactly Oct 07 12:51:17 lazy people put it straight in the downlod dir for tftp Oct 07 12:51:34 you may see some commented out lines in some of my ealier kernel bbfiles Oct 07 12:51:55 Crofton, how goes work on getting omap kernel booting? (hrw) Oct 07 12:52:09 I am traveling Oct 07 12:52:19 bigd0g, sounds like he is getting somewhere Oct 07 12:52:21 ok Oct 07 12:52:28 we are checking over kerenl assembly proceess Oct 07 12:52:56 Crofton: aye, it sounds like Dirk has a running copy Oct 07 12:53:02 yeah Oct 07 12:53:11 now... if only i can duplicate it :-/ Oct 07 12:53:14 I just can't see what the problem is Oct 07 12:54:12 bigd0g, did you email the file? Oct 07 12:54:45 Crofton: are you referring to Dirk's 'defconfig' file ? Oct 07 12:54:50 no Oct 07 12:54:56 the one with the mkimage command Oct 07 12:55:09 yes, just forwarded it to you... let me check that it sent Oct 07 12:55:45 Crofton: appears to have been sent. it's just a forwarded e-mail. command is within Oct 07 13:02:10 Crofton: did you get it? i'm skeptical it's going to prove anything different Oct 07 13:02:43 I got it Oct 07 13:02:46 still worth a try Oct 07 13:03:02 yeah. copying to board atm Oct 07 13:03:12 at least it helps understand what is going on .. Oct 07 13:03:19 aye Oct 07 13:08:44 Crofton: http://rafb.net/paste/results/MeqOo156.html Oct 07 13:08:49 ...some improvement Oct 07 13:11:14 excellent Oct 07 13:11:20 now you need rootfs! Oct 07 13:11:51 w00t ... let me write that to flash and grab rootfs Oct 07 13:12:19 did you gzip the kernel? Oct 07 13:12:31 negative. that's an uncompressed version Oct 07 13:12:36 ok Oct 07 13:12:37 plain bin Oct 07 13:13:10 we can sort that out later Oct 07 13:13:17 and get bb file updates Oct 07 13:13:29 aye Oct 07 13:13:50 if i can get it working uncompressed... i'll consider that a BIG step forward Oct 07 13:13:58 yep :) Oct 07 13:14:11 ok Oct 07 13:14:14 I need to get going Oct 07 13:14:17 good luck! Oct 07 13:14:30 always running off when the fun starts... ;) Oct 07 13:14:32 hf ! Oct 07 13:14:36 thnaks Oct 07 13:14:45 sounds like you are well on yur way Oct 07 13:15:05 post soething here if you get it going, I'll try and check back in a little bit Oct 07 13:15:07 i'll be sure to send you an e-mail if and when i get it all working Oct 07 13:15:11 ok, sure thing Oct 07 14:02:55 zecke: beefcake! Oct 07 15:05:25 hi Oct 07 15:06:35 which server is it that's having trouble? Oct 07 15:06:45 i want to make sure i'm not on it :p Oct 07 15:08:23 wich values are possible for LICENSE? Oct 07 15:08:23 Is it only GPL or some more? Oct 07 15:08:40 Cobelius: hehe Oct 07 15:08:48 hi zecke Oct 07 15:09:03 Cobelius: LICENSE == the license of the program Oct 07 15:09:36 Sure, but how does BitBake behave if something else stands in it? Oct 07 15:10:03 i.e. LGPL or a license of a commercial program? Oct 07 15:10:21 Cobelius: BitBake does not care Oct 07 15:10:50 Cobelius: our bittest QA tool has a list of known licenses and the src_distributable class has a list of known licenses Oct 07 15:12:41 Ah okay, found it. But nothings happens if I enter an unknown license type Oct 07 15:18:25 Hmn what would you think are "general meta-information about a package"? I have AUTHOR, DESCRIPTION, HOMEPAGE, MAINTAINER, SECTION, LICENSE and PR Oct 07 15:18:34 are more field for that? Oct 07 15:32:58 Cobelius: what should happen? Oct 07 15:33:08 Cobelius: If you at a company and got foobar license Oct 07 15:33:23 Cobelius: entering LICENSE = "foobar" is legitimate Oct 07 15:34:18 I don't know, maybe the system asks during the build, "The package is under license xyz, please confirm that you're have a license to build and use this program"? Oct 07 15:35:33 notice that applications can be under multiple licenses Oct 07 15:38:40 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r4a19203a... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/angstrom.inc): Oct 07 15:38:40 angstrom: switch to task-base Oct 07 15:38:40 * die task-bootstrap, die! Oct 07 15:38:44 ah, okay, so it's no problem if more that one value in LICENSE? Oct 07 15:39:29 hrm... how long does it usually take to make a jffs2 image ? Oct 07 15:39:35 for a rootfs Oct 07 15:42:21 ohhhh poor task-bootstrap ... is my workhorse bitbake target :) :) :) Oct 07 15:42:33 Are here more variables than DEPENDS and RDEPENDS wich are express somthing about dependecies of a package? Oct 07 15:44:29 Cobelius: DEPENDS isn't for a package, but for a recipe Oct 07 15:44:53 Cobelius: for packages you can have RDEPENDS, RRECOMMENDS, RREPLACES, RCONFLICTS Oct 07 15:45:01 there might be more Oct 07 15:46:33 the R stands for run? Oct 07 15:50:47 or, where is the diffenrece between the Variables with R and them without? Oct 07 15:55:04 Runtime vs buildtime Oct 07 15:55:12 or rather: package vs. recipe Oct 07 15:56:00 okay, the information with R are for runtime, the one without r for build time? Oct 07 16:04:55 Cobelius: right Oct 07 16:05:03 (there might be some exceptions) Oct 07 16:12:35 okay thank you Oct 07 16:15:32 Anyone knows how I can tell bitbake to clean build/tmp/rootfs and to make a new rootfs with the modification I have done? Oct 07 16:15:51 it should do that automagically Oct 07 16:16:00 Wich Methods can be overridden by the user? do_configure, do_compile, do_install, do_staging. Are there more wich makes sense? Oct 07 16:23:43 koen: I have sent you a PM but didn't seem to get through. I have updated angstrom wiki with some details on how to setup OE (I had problems because of missing SDL libs for qemu). I was suggesting to host the wiki on angstrom domain, with a wiki like dokuwiki (nicer than moinmoin). See http://www.saltycom.net/angstrom/ for example Oct 07 16:24:01 we're not going to change wikis Oct 07 16:25:05 IMHO hosting the wiki on another domain can lead to confusion for users. Oct 07 16:25:14 right Oct 07 16:25:22 but full moon also confuses users Oct 07 16:25:27 and clouds being white Oct 07 16:26:05 I am just trying to help Oct 07 16:26:22 that's good :) Oct 07 16:26:27 and am willing to do something. Oct 07 16:27:16 I have always been frustated with openzaurus website, just hope that angstrom website wouldn't do the same mistakes again Oct 07 16:32:52 koen: Is it okay if I add you real name in the thank you chapter of my documentation at http://www.intion.de/OpenEmbedded.pdf? Oct 07 16:33:18 Cobelius: sure Oct 07 16:34:24 okay. what is you real name? Oct 07 16:34:45 Koen Kooi Oct 07 16:34:58 okay Oct 07 16:51:05 aww... /me hunts around for Crofton Oct 07 18:49:30 kergoth`zzz: ping you lazy bastard Oct 07 19:02:09 ggilbert_: pong Oct 07 19:03:39 kergoth: you lived in Dallas before, right? Oct 07 19:03:52 yeah, was there for almost 2 years Oct 07 19:04:31 How formal is it? Oct 07 19:22:03 formal? Oct 07 19:28:18 mithro: I've just had a few people told me to expect eating establishments to have a more formal dress code than I'm used to. Oct 07 19:28:35 o Oct 07 19:28:44 I'm going for a week and am wondering if I should plan to pack a jacket :) Oct 07 20:06:17 hi all, i'm developing a embedded application for uCLinux systems, i want to use some xml c++ library to parse the configuration file, but i don't want to make it very dependant, I think to use xerces/expat library, but i don't have any idea about embedded world, anyone know something about xml in embedded systems? thanks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Oct 08 02:59:57 2006