**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 10 02:59:57 2006 Oct 10 05:49:18 Morning Oct 10 05:49:51 Is anybody out there? Oct 10 06:31:21 morning Oct 10 07:18:36 Morning Oct 10 07:34:14 morning Oct 10 07:40:51 I have a problem with xcalibrateext package. Oct 10 07:41:31 There is only git available, but my admins blocks the port. Oct 10 07:41:53 How can I switch back to xcalibrateext_cvs? Oct 10 07:43:38 Or how can I manipulate git fetch command to make it use http? Oct 10 07:49:55 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r97783f63... 10/ (1 packages/mplayer/mplayer_1.0pre8.bb): Oct 10 07:49:55 mplayer_1.0pre8.bb : use some sed to clean/change the configure script Oct 10 07:49:55 for cross compile. This should stop it picking up spurios /usr/* stuff. Oct 10 07:50:15 TEmiil: which tarball is it looking for, I could put that on a website for you Oct 10 07:51:12 XorA: It's trying to 'git pull' from the freedesktop.org Oct 10 07:51:54 TEmiil: I know, but before the git pull, it will try and get a tarball from oesources Oct 10 07:52:50 XorA: eeehm... moment please. I'll have to check this ;) Oct 10 07:55:44 XorA: No, it says 'fetch started' -> 'fatal: need a single revisionÃ'-> 'Pulling into a black hole?' -> 'NOTE: Task failed: fetch failed ... git pull...' (-> means new line) Oct 10 07:56:55 XoeA: And SRC_URI only contains the git repo. Oct 10 07:57:15 TEmiil: odd, I thought the git fetcher tried to see if there was a cached tarball first Oct 10 07:57:31 TEmiil: my bad, the cvs one does Oct 10 07:57:48 TEmiil: do you have ssh access to an external machine? Oct 10 07:59:10 XorA: Yes, I do. I solved it temorarily by renaming the git.bb and unsing the cvs.bb in obsolete folder. But I think, this is not a future solution. Oct 10 07:59:32 TEmiil: well ssh -D 1080 account@machine sets up a SOCKS 5 proxy Oct 10 08:00:01 TEmiil: if you install dante-client, configure it for a SOCKS5 at localhost and use socksify bitbake blah then it will puncture the firewall Oct 10 08:00:16 TEmiil: we have to use that trick here when the firewall fscks up Oct 10 08:02:39 XorA: Sorry, I misunderstud you. In principle, I can establish ssh connections to external machines, but I don't have an external machine to connect to. Oct 10 08:03:58 XorA: By the way, these proxy-things to bypass the firewall is strictly forbidden here. My Admin would kill me... Oct 10 08:05:14 XorA: And it was h hard and long fight to get these f**ing CVS and Monotone ports opened. Oct 10 08:08:33 XorA: Isnt there a simple PREFERRED_WHATEVER-thing to swich back to cvs? Oct 10 08:09:11 TEmiil: PREFERRED_VERSION_blah = "x.xx+cvsXXXXXX" Oct 10 08:09:35 TEmiil: get the PV for cvs version from the .bb Oct 10 08:10:15 TEmiil: ask your admin for a SOCKS proxy if your doing work stuff Oct 10 08:10:26 TEmiil: then you dont need to side sneak Oct 10 08:11:34 TEmiil: should be easier than getting ports open as the admin can happilly log and ifnore SOCKS connections Oct 10 08:11:54 XorA: It's 0.0Ã+cvs${SRCDATE}. I tried PREFERRED_VERSIONxcalibrateext = "0.0+cvs20061009" and SRCDATE = "20061009" but it says 'nothing provied dependeny blah' Oct 10 08:12:22 Hi! Oct 10 08:12:37 TEmiil: ah is it not now xcalibrateproto to be annoying Oct 10 08:12:52 good morning al Oct 10 08:12:54 l Oct 10 08:13:43 hey koen Oct 10 08:14:11 XorA: Sorry, there is no xcalibrateproto package Oct 10 08:14:24 TEmiil, you can't just "switch to cvs version" and expect it to work. It was removed because there was great deal of confusion with using vresion before and after conversion. OE.dev uses latest version, and older won't work easily at all. Oct 10 08:15:18 yay! RMK is no longer dictator for the serial subsystem Oct 10 08:16:10 psokolovsky_: Yes, sounds logic, but git isnt available for me and there is no alternative package (like tarball on oesources). Oct 10 08:16:15 good morning Oct 10 08:16:20 hey florian_kc Oct 10 08:16:42 hi Oct 10 08:16:47 TEmiil, anyway, nothing was removed from repo, just moved to packages/obsolete/. Oct 10 08:17:59 hi hrw|work Oct 10 08:18:13 psokolovsky_Ã::) yes, thats what I did, but 1) its obsolete and 2) the PREFERRED_VERSION_blah thing didnt work (I'm making a mistake somewhere there) Oct 10 08:18:18 TEmiil, but again it won't "just work", as all dependencies were switched to the new version. And yes, it sucks that there wasn't yet official release of it. Well, until then, better find way to use git (lobby freedesktop.org to give git/http if they don't offer already) Oct 10 08:19:24 morning all Oct 10 08:19:42 psokolovsky: ok, but how to I tell git to use http? or better: how do I tell bitbake to use git-http-fetch? Oct 10 08:20:01 TEmiil: add 'proto=http' into SRC_URI line with git Oct 10 08:20:04 TEmiil, grep is your friend ;-I Oct 10 08:22:51 bbl Oct 10 08:24:44 psokolovsky_: With SRC_URI='git://blah;protocol=http' fetch also fails: Oct 10 08:31:43 hi fooks Oct 10 08:32:58 hi likewise Oct 10 08:33:25 hey likewise Oct 10 08:33:32 hey all Oct 10 08:38:34 psokolovsky_: When I manually try to pull the git repo with 'git pull http://anongit.freedesktop.org/xorg/proto/calibrateproto', it says 'fatal: not a git repoitory' Oct 10 08:39:16 TEmiil: do a 'clone' first :) Oct 10 08:39:51 TEmiil, Well, and did you check that freedesktop.org supports HTTP for git at all? Oct 10 08:42:02 psokolovsky_: Sorry, my fault! Wrong directory! It always (with git and http) says 'fatal: need a singe revision' Oct 10 08:42:14 now the experts are on, does the GIT fetcher not check for a tarball before doing the GIT fetch Oct 10 08:42:14 psokolovsky_: No, not yet Oct 10 08:42:37 XorA: I think it doesn't check Oct 10 08:42:50 XorA: ask hrw :) Oct 10 08:42:56 koen: thats a pity, as thats a damn useful feature of the cvs one Oct 10 08:42:58 re Oct 10 08:43:04 hrw: now the experts are on, does the GIT fetcher not check for a tarball before doing the GIT fetch Oct 10 08:43:05 koen: about what? Oct 10 08:43:40 XorA: at OEDEM we discussed modifying the fetcher to return a revision, so you could put that in the name of the tarball instead of the date Oct 10 08:43:56 XorA, it for sure creates tarball, but if it uses it... - it should ;-) Oct 10 08:44:12 XorA: git fetcher stinks Oct 10 08:44:31 hrw: :-))) Oct 10 08:44:35 koen, Was situation with OE wiki settled on OEDEM? Oct 10 08:45:52 psokolovsky_: mail me and I can create an account Oct 10 08:46:02 the RFC about that will be sent this week :) Oct 10 08:46:07 koen: Ok, thanks. Oct 10 08:49:40 ~lart kdrive Oct 10 08:49:40 * ibot resizes kdrive's terminal to 40x24 Oct 10 08:50:48 ibot: botsnack Oct 10 08:50:48 koen: thanks Oct 10 08:59:18 hi koen Oct 10 09:01:03 do you consider add a feature that can make bitbake fetch all packages from one ftp site? Oct 10 09:01:39 O_Neil: you mean like the one thatsa alreeady there Oct 10 09:03:24 I know there are MIRROR defined Oct 10 09:03:51 O_Neil: it always looks on oesources.org if it cant find it elsewhere Oct 10 09:04:43 is it defined in bitbake.conf? Oct 10 09:07:39 CVS_TARBALL_STASH is for cvs only Oct 10 09:08:31 MIRRORS () in "base.bbclass" defined "ftp://.*/.*/ http://www.oesources.org/source/current/" Oct 10 09:09:55 should I modify it to my URL? Oct 10 09:11:10 O_Neil: that would work Oct 10 09:11:48 I see, thanks Oct 10 09:12:14 Something else: How can change default fonts in matchbox? Oct 10 09:13:55 TEmiil: edit the theme Oct 10 09:15:13 can I define the MIRRORS in "local.conf"? Oct 10 09:16:04 XorA: I have not defined a special theme. Whats the default theme? Oct 10 09:17:22 TEmiil: /usr/share/themes/Default/ Oct 10 09:17:29 koen, : do you try the last gnash ? Oct 10 09:17:31 AGG/FB support has been just checked in. Oct 10 09:17:31 I'll close this item, but just wanted to suggest you to try the new code. It should be build using --enable-renderer=agg --enable-gui=fb Oct 10 09:20:18 Genesis: I haven't tried it Oct 10 09:21:56 XorA: Sorry, these question might be stupid, but where do I change the fonts there? I haven Oct 10 09:22:02 oki i show that and i mail if my package work Oct 10 09:22:09 ( on the OE dev mailing ) Oct 10 09:22:15 TEmiil: time to go to matchbox webpage and read the docs Oct 10 09:22:18 XorA: haven't found something in theme.desktop or .xml Oct 10 09:22:33 XorA: ;) Oct 10 09:27:07 mickey|ttdevdays: I added the bugzilla mail to the 'accept' queue for the oe-issues list Oct 10 09:30:12 ("umba-umba" is a new technical term I learned this weekend, roughly, but not precisely, meaning "whatever") Oct 10 09:30:16 :DDDDDDDDDDDdd Oct 10 09:30:20 http://www.qoheleth.uklinux.net/blog/?p=125#more-125 Oct 10 09:34:56 *g* Oct 10 10:04:07 morning all Oct 10 10:04:58 hi RP Oct 10 10:05:07 RP: yo Oct 10 10:05:17 hi RP Oct 10 10:07:01 hi RP Oct 10 10:08:54 cu Oct 10 10:10:34 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r6a07f296... 10/ (1740 files in 868 dirs): Oct 10 10:10:34 Remove MAINTAINER fields from recipes, add MAINTAINER file to replace them. Oct 10 10:10:34 see email thread at http://lists.openembedded.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2006-October/000523.html for details Oct 10 10:10:48 heh Oct 10 10:10:57 * koen hugs sed and find Oct 10 10:12:51 koen: its nice for the sedding destruction I did on mplayer :-) Oct 10 10:17:43 morning all Oct 10 10:18:22 hi Liam Oct 10 10:19:06 RP: hey Oct 10 10:19:24 RP: iI'm submitting corgi etc to alsa today Oct 10 10:19:43 lrg: The core made it in? Oct 10 10:19:48 RP: the core is now in and so is the smaller AT91 stuff Oct 10 10:20:00 lrg: yay :) Oct 10 10:20:08 RP: yay :) Oct 10 10:20:18 bigd0g, ping Oct 10 10:20:26 lrg: fingers crossed for corgi etc :) Oct 10 10:20:27 Crofton: pong Oct 10 10:20:31 ;) Oct 10 10:20:42 saw your e-mails on the omap list Oct 10 10:20:46 I made git boot and mount a jffs2 image Oct 10 10:20:55 did you try my images? Oct 10 10:21:15 i didn't have a chance yet Oct 10 10:21:39 ok Oct 10 10:21:49 i have to give my final presentation for this project in a little bit Oct 10 10:21:52 i'm finishing up my presentation Oct 10 10:21:53 the file system needs to load at 0x240000 Oct 10 10:21:55 than i should have a chance Oct 10 10:22:39 Crofton: how large was your kernel? Oct 10 10:22:48 you must've used a compressed one if you were able to load at 0x240000 Oct 10 10:22:54 I forget, but it wasa compressed Oct 10 10:23:15 for my reference, 'cause i will need to build a custom kernel... how do you compress it after it's built? Oct 10 10:23:16 I put the kernel at 0x40000 Oct 10 10:23:22 aye Oct 10 10:23:24 the bb file does that Oct 10 10:23:45 the only problem in the bb file was the address passed to mkimage Oct 10 10:23:58 i see Oct 10 10:24:01 and to build current git you need to enable the dspgw Oct 10 10:24:13 saw that e-mail, too Oct 10 10:24:42 Crofton: so now you have a know working rev? Oct 10 10:25:02 http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?n=771 Oct 10 10:25:11 yeah Oct 10 10:27:12 I want a rev the will cmpile with the default kconfig Oct 10 10:28:28 koen: yay on the MAINTAINERS resolution btw :) Oct 10 10:29:43 RP: note the allusion to tarballs in my mail :) Oct 10 10:33:25 koen: time to start the MAINTAINERS file Oct 10 10:35:09 XorA: http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/MAINTAINERS ? Oct 10 10:35:21 feel free to change the format, this is just a starting point Oct 10 10:35:30 koen: why not RECIPES? Oct 10 10:35:43 because that isn't a VAR in OE :) Oct 10 10:36:05 (is it?) Oct 10 10:36:17 koen: nope, but makes the format look stupid Oct 10 10:36:19 koen: This isn't machine parsable :-/ Oct 10 10:37:32 hmm, good point Oct 10 10:40:08 It's amazing how 'package management' is so completely over the head of all the zaurus forum users Oct 10 10:46:50 RP: does that file need to be machine parsable? Oct 10 10:49:59 koen: I think it would be nice if it was as it might get parsed at some point in the future - automated maintainer notifies? UI for .dev? Oct 10 10:50:27 we should do it in ASN.1 :-) Oct 10 10:51:44 but seriously RP is right, do it right now in case we want to use the info later Oct 10 10:52:20 I'll change my entry if someone comes up with a sane format :) Oct 10 10:54:28 i like the recipe 'gpe stuff' Oct 10 10:57:39 it would never be useful for machine parsing if the recipes aren't the bb files, so is there any point making it parse proof, or is it better to enforce exact recipes, any find some meaningful grouping like tasks Oct 10 10:58:07 s/any/and Oct 10 10:59:05 RP: koen http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/p8Ds8O13.html Oct 10 11:00:11 XorA: real name and irc nick perhaps ,like the devs page on the wiki Oct 10 11:00:48 ade|desk: thats what I had meant to type, I just forgot to edit before sticking that up Oct 10 11:00:56 cool Oct 10 11:01:41 DTD perhaps Oct 10 11:01:54 DTD scare me Oct 10 11:02:00 why / Oct 10 11:02:00 In Koen's original, s/ stuff/-*/ would solve most of the problems Oct 10 11:02:44 ade|desk: thats documentation Oct 10 11:02:52 Hvaing support for gnome/* as in the directory might be good as it would match things gnome-* didn't Oct 10 11:03:23 XorA: all source is documentaion ;) Oct 10 11:03:39 ade|desk: then my DTD is C99 :-) Oct 10 11:05:18 RP: I think the need to identify individual files or whole trees is essential if the aim is to maybe exapnd this to auto stuff Oct 10 11:05:53 and maybe add an INTERESTS line which is english explanation of developers personal interests Oct 10 11:06:55 eg INTERESTS: Multimedia playback in x11 and on console Oct 10 11:08:02 XorA: I'm fine with some english free text fields as well Oct 10 11:08:42 RP: it is good to have them so a new guy can quickly find the dev most likely to be able to help just by scanning the file Oct 10 11:10:57 maybe real XML might be good so that the info could be parsed to return who, what, and how to contact for interests etc Oct 10 11:11:06 * XorA shudders Oct 10 11:11:20 depends on the number of devs Oct 10 11:11:30 It should be human parsable as well Oct 10 11:11:54 xml solves a problem that doesnt exist :-) Oct 10 11:12:02 searching through 37 devs is ok, what happens in two years time when there are >500 ? Oct 10 11:12:30 * ade|desk watches OE take over the world Oct 10 11:12:31 * koen tries to clean the remaining apfelschorle from his laptop Oct 10 11:25:46 ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] Oct 10 11:25:48 ]]]]]]]]]]]]] Oct 10 11:25:52 ooops Oct 10 11:30:55 can I define PREMIRROR() in local.conf instead of ".bb" or ".bbclass" file? Oct 10 11:33:08 seems bitbake does not accept array defined in .conf Oct 10 11:34:49 <[lala]> hi guys Oct 10 11:34:56 hey [lala] Oct 10 11:35:02 <[lala]> ltns! Oct 10 11:35:15 <[lala]> hi lrg Oct 10 11:36:01 <[lala]> finally back to dig in oe again ;-) Oct 10 11:36:06 <[lala]> RP: around? Oct 10 11:37:54 hi [lala] Oct 10 11:38:54 <[lala]> RP: i noticed that a lot of packages use rdepends nowadays instead of depends. when i try to fetch only packages with -c fetch it fails for meta-packages ... Oct 10 11:39:03 <[lala]> is there a workaround Oct 10 11:39:04 <[lala]> ? Oct 10 11:39:10 morning Oct 10 11:39:34 <[lala]> well, it does not fail actually, but doesn't fetch the dependencies either ;-) Oct 10 11:40:49 [lala]: We need a fetchall task for this. We fixed various dependecy handling issues and "broke" the (incorrect) behvaviour users expect from certain commands Oct 10 11:41:08 [lala]: I've yet to get around to writing the fetchall task but its on my todo list Oct 10 11:41:22 <[lala]> sounds cool :-) Oct 10 11:41:41 <[lala]> but is there any (clever) way to achieve fetching in the meantime? :-) Oct 10 11:41:57 <[lala]> i have the huge problem, that my build-machine is not on the net Oct 10 11:42:06 <[lala]> and i have to get the packages offline Oct 10 11:42:19 [lala]: I made some untested comments in an email to the oe list recently Oct 10 11:42:39 RP: I wouldn't worry about zaurus users emailing you about poky, since they couldn't find the svn instructions on http://projects.o-hand.com/poky Oct 10 11:43:14 koen: I was rather amused by that. "I can't use svn" yet the commandline is in front of me Oct 10 11:43:46 If people can't read, I don't want them using poky... Oct 10 11:44:04 <[lala]> RP: you happen to know the subject of this post or have an url handy? Oct 10 11:44:06 RP: welcome to hrw's world Oct 10 11:47:17 [lala]: http://www.mail-archive.com/bitbake-dev%40lists.berlios.de/msg00081.html Oct 10 11:47:44 <[lala]> RP: thanks! Oct 10 12:04:49 RP: you'll like the next commit Oct 10 12:06:28 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r7be36630... 10/ (13 files in 10 dirs): Oct 10 12:06:28 hx4700, hx2000: start adding support for hx4700 and hx200 ipaqs to solve overloading of the ipaq-pxa270 machine Oct 10 12:06:28 * the ipaq-pxa270 machine will go away Oct 10 12:07:53 koen: Yay! Thanks for taking care of that, I still didn't get to writing RFC for that still... Oct 10 12:08:02 hrw|afk poked me about that on OEDEM Oct 10 12:08:19 we also agreed that more stuff should be runtime configurable, like tslib-conf Oct 10 12:08:56 koen: One request though: would it be possible to let ipaq-pxa270 to hang on for some time more in the form of "include hx4700.conf" (for familiar-unstable)? Oct 10 12:08:59 koen: Cool! Oct 10 12:11:36 psokolovsky_: ipaq-pxa270 will go away completely Oct 10 12:12:14 koen, ok. not too important. those who need it can add locally. Oct 10 12:12:18 koen: I don't want to support hacks to support unmaintained stuff Oct 10 12:12:35 ok Oct 10 12:14:45 people that want to build for a hx4700 can do MACHINE=hx47000 Oct 10 12:14:45 The ipaq-pxa270 entries in the kernels will go away as well soon Oct 10 12:14:45 which will fix the 'OE builds linux-oz for hostap-modules' bug Oct 10 12:15:42 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rc492bf6e... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-openzaurus.inc): linux-oz.inc: fix breakage introduced by the MAINTAINERS cset Oct 10 12:16:17 hmm, th ebreakage is some unparsed line messages coming from bb? Oct 10 12:16:28 yeah Oct 10 12:17:13 fixed now? Oct 10 12:17:21 the linux-oz one Oct 10 12:17:44 I am blowing away tmp and rebuilding atm Oct 10 12:21:01 re Oct 10 12:21:08 hrw|work: wb Oct 10 12:24:04 <[lala]> RP: where would that line "do_fetch[recrdeptask]..." be placed best? is local.conf apropriate? or in some class file? Oct 10 12:24:39 koen: finally new machines Oct 10 12:29:04 ok. its time for me to boot win32 again... Oct 10 12:29:07 ~cure mssql Oct 10 12:29:09 ~curse mssql Oct 10 12:29:23 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, mssql ! Oct 10 12:29:51 [lala]: probably local.conf for now. It doesn't solve the problem in a way I'd like Oct 10 12:35:51 * O_Neil is back (gone 00:00:34) Oct 10 12:35:52 * O_Neil is away: I'm busy Oct 10 12:45:18 bleh Oct 10 12:45:27 death by mailinglist subscriptions Oct 10 12:50:18 * XorA has had his brain washed Oct 10 13:00:38 XorA: what are the chances of you and lrg attending FOSDEM 2007? Oct 10 13:01:12 hi Oct 10 13:01:48 hrw|work: wb Oct 10 13:02:58 <[lala]> RP: there is another workaround which i can use in the meantime: bitbake -n opie-image -> extract all package names -> bitbake -c fetch Oct 10 13:03:31 [lala]: The recrdeptask didn't work? Oct 10 13:04:34 koen: 100% Oct 10 13:04:42 <[lala]> RP: haven't tested it yet because i had that other idea and wanted to try that out first. will check your approach as well. Oct 10 13:04:59 XorA: cool Oct 10 13:05:52 [lala]: ok, just curious :) Oct 10 13:28:01 RP: I can't find neither 'speed' or 'heading' in http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1/#type_rteType Oct 10 13:28:30 RP: it seems one has to calculate those afterwards or put then in the section Oct 10 13:28:53 koen: ugh :-( Oct 10 13:29:48 my latest awk script: http://rafb.net/paste/results/F8NDVi84.html Oct 10 13:30:34 now I need to to adapt the log script to give the correct output :) Oct 10 13:35:15 koen: how good is hx4700 already supported? friend is thinking about buying Oct 10 13:35:55 everything works, the wifi works pretty good Oct 10 13:36:11 for more details ask pH5, he hacks on the kernel :) Oct 10 13:36:16 ok Oct 10 13:36:33 its ~300EUR now in Poland Oct 10 13:36:36 used one Oct 10 13:43:11 <[lala]> RP: i just get a circular dependency error if i try bitbake -c fetch opie-image with your approach Oct 10 13:51:47 [lala]: hmm, ok. I need to give it some further thought Oct 10 13:54:19 <[lala]> a fetchall target would be cool, but my workaround with extracting the pkglist from bitbake -n works well enough for me atm :-) Oct 10 13:55:37 [lala]: We need it for a source mirror so it will happen, just a question of time. I think I know how to do it, I just need to test it Oct 10 13:55:52 RP: bitbake_qa Oct 10 13:56:35 koen: We don't need that though - we can do it in bitbake itself (well, OE), with no real extra effort if I'm right Oct 10 13:56:50 that'd be nice as well Oct 10 13:57:18 koen: right :) Oct 10 13:58:49 I have scheduled some time tonight to setup bonsai on oe.org, so hopefully we can start with the tarballs soon Oct 10 14:01:01 I am working on adding squashfs3.1r2-{,lzma}-{,native} support. What is the proper way to call a submake to make cross-compiles still work? Oct 10 14:03:50 likewise: oe_runmake Oct 10 14:04:36 hrw|work: I have a Makefile that does "make -C ". I should remove this, and move it up into the bb recipe instead? Oct 10 14:05:44 hrw|work: So I also would need to set EXTRA_OEMAKE to "-C " then? Oct 10 14:08:21 likewise: oe_runmake -C somedir Oct 10 14:13:46 brb Oct 10 14:25:38 re Oct 10 14:29:01 hrw|work: wb Oct 10 14:30:46 hrw|work: tnx, trying to get it to work like that. Oct 10 14:34:03 <[lala]> can someone give me a reason, why spectrum-fw.bb tries to fetch files with a separate script (get_symbol_fw) instead of using the default fetcher? Oct 10 14:34:47 <[lala]> that doesn't work so well with an offline build machine Oct 10 14:36:40 koen: what about creating -private list? Oct 10 14:43:23 Crofton: *poke* *poke* Oct 10 14:43:41 yep? Oct 10 14:43:52 Crofton: your stuff appears to be loading properly Oct 10 14:43:53 ;) Oct 10 14:43:57 good Oct 10 14:44:12 now... was that build done with OE ? Oct 10 14:44:12 I am in the process of verifying it builds really clean now Oct 10 14:44:16 ah, ok Oct 10 14:44:44 thanks for your help getting this stuff going Oct 10 14:45:06 hrw|work: you'd have to ask mr mailman mickey|ttdevdays Oct 10 14:45:09 * koen reads http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/286/ Oct 10 14:45:15 meh... i didn't do much. thanks for getting it running ;) Oct 10 14:45:29 having people interested helps alot Oct 10 14:45:30 ok Oct 10 14:45:41 mickey|ttdevdays: I want -private list Oct 10 14:45:41 aye. that's true. Oct 10 14:45:49 I think I have learned a lot more about some of the bits and pieces Oct 10 14:45:52 Crofton: does this build have framebuffer support? 'm guessing not Oct 10 14:46:15 i've learned a helluva lot in the last 10 weeks. have all of OE to thank for that Oct 10 14:46:21 it is make omap5912osk_defconfig moded to have dspgw turned on Oct 10 14:46:39 I am not sure if the fb is included in that Oct 10 14:46:55 i'll double-check. if not, i should be able to modify accordingly Oct 10 14:47:05 Eventually, I want to make the git bb file track git and use the default config Oct 10 14:47:14 so I can use it to check compilation in git Oct 10 14:47:23 that would be superb Oct 10 14:47:26 then I can create kernel files against stable tags Oct 10 14:47:30 for real use Oct 10 14:47:42 aye Oct 10 14:48:16 I'll leave the stuff on using a local config commented out in the bb file to make it clear what you need to do for experiemnts Oct 10 14:48:47 ok. that would be great Oct 10 14:48:51 yeah Oct 10 14:49:16 before this, i had never done a custom compile of something like this from the ground up Oct 10 14:49:19 it's been quite the ride Oct 10 14:49:27 I think cruft creeps in to the omap tree because there are so many hw platforms Oct 10 14:49:45 you are going back to wpi soon? Oct 10 14:50:11 i head back on saturday. but apparently there's another osk project going on there... i've already been asked to assist. so you won't lose me anytime soon Oct 10 14:50:20 great Oct 10 14:50:25 what are you studying? Oct 10 14:50:45 i'm an ECE undergrad with a CS minor. i'll be getting my BS in may Oct 10 14:51:00 going to grad school? Oct 10 14:51:17 the option is there. that or straight to industry and do grad school while in industry Oct 10 14:51:23 i definitely want a graduate degree Oct 10 14:51:26 just not sure when Oct 10 14:51:26 industry sucks :) Oct 10 14:51:29 haha Oct 10 14:51:53 well, if you are interested in software defined radio look us up Oct 10 14:51:57 ossie.mprg.org Oct 10 14:52:03 will do. Oct 10 14:52:28 ece undergrad with cs minor is a good mix for sdr work Oct 10 14:52:54 aye. my focus is in computer engineering, too. so this project was sort of a perfect match Oct 10 14:53:03 PhilipBalister aka The OMAP guy Oct 10 14:53:13 :) Oct 10 14:53:39 the problem with wiki's, the peanut gallery chimes in Oct 10 14:53:56 haha Oct 10 14:54:11 i already read the site. i think i did that yesterday while waiting for stuff to compile Oct 10 14:55:06 now that I have this booting again I can start building our sdr framework with oe Oct 10 14:55:28 then I will bog down the OSK and go beg for more interesting embedded systems :) Oct 10 14:55:29 "if you give me faster hardware I will have less time to write these annoying letters" Oct 10 14:55:33 oh, i was going to asdk how new the project is Oct 10 14:55:37 apparently _brand_ new Oct 10 14:55:37 ;) Oct 10 14:55:43 s/asdk/ask Oct 10 14:55:55 I have been messing with it for a while Oct 10 14:56:03 kind of a secondary thing Oct 10 14:56:08 I had it sort of working once Oct 10 14:56:24 now I am trying to make it keep working .... Oct 10 14:56:32 ah, yes Oct 10 14:56:32 fixing all the bits I had to work around Oct 10 14:56:46 that's great. the whole SDR thing sounds cool Oct 10 14:56:50 it is Oct 10 14:57:04 much cooler now the gnu radio guys sell the usrp cheap Oct 10 14:57:06 ~usrp Oct 10 14:57:08 usrp is probably a Universal Software Radio Peripheral or http://comsec.com/wiki?UniversalSoftwareRadioPeripheral Oct 10 14:58:14 "The price for the motherboard is $550, and basic daughterboards cost $75 each." Oct 10 14:58:23 * koen has other definitions of 'cheap' Oct 10 14:58:29 pricey for me, but with grants i can see it being considered 'cheap' Oct 10 14:58:34 well... the osk was some $300 us Oct 10 14:58:35 so... heh Oct 10 14:58:46 koen, cheap compared with other solutions Oct 10 14:59:13 I define cheap as my advisor will buy these no quesitons asked Oct 10 14:59:26 so we have close to ten in the lab now Oct 10 14:59:29 Anyone get their EFIKA 5200 board already? Oct 10 14:59:33 s/get/got Oct 10 14:59:35 Crofton: that's great Oct 10 14:59:51 * koen wonders Oct 10 14:59:55 likewise: not yet Oct 10 14:59:55 Crofton: are you an RA at VT or staff/faculty ? Oct 10 15:00:04 Grad student Oct 10 15:00:07 slow one Oct 10 15:00:11 a firewire 800 or pci-e interface would rock Oct 10 15:00:17 MS, PhD, other? Oct 10 15:00:17 koen: got approved, but I think _nobody_ has their board yet. Oct 10 15:00:38 likewise: check http://www.ppczone.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=2 Oct 10 15:01:26 koen: ah yes "We are still trying to get RoHS compliant components. However, in the meanwhile, we have some features and functions that will make the wait worthwhile. " Oct 10 15:01:39 koen: delayed 6 months :-) Oct 10 15:01:52 koen: best educated guess Oct 10 15:02:38 likewise: http://projects.ppczone.org/projects.php?project=213 Oct 10 15:03:07 likewise: http://projects.ppczone.org/projects.php?pending=309 Oct 10 15:03:35 and of course http://projects.ppczone.org/projects.php?pending=449 :) Oct 10 15:03:37 anyone proposing adding support to oe for that board? Oct 10 15:03:49 time to clean, pull the git, and try to build my own version Oct 10 15:03:51 koen: efika5200.conf? :-) http://projects.ppczone.org/projects.php?pending=449 Oct 10 15:04:30 like|gohome: http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/conf/machine/efika.conf Oct 10 15:04:32 are they still accepting projects? Oct 10 15:04:39 cu all gotta run to catch the postbox fetch deadline Oct 10 15:05:29 "The EFIKA will ship in November." Oct 10 15:05:36 Crofton: yes Oct 10 15:05:59 see http://www.ppczone.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=841 Oct 10 15:06:06 high speed usb? Oct 10 15:06:20 usb2, i would guess Oct 10 15:06:23 iirc, yes Oct 10 15:06:32 bigd0g: usb 2 can be 12mbit/s as well :( Oct 10 15:06:51 koen: oh :-/ gg, marketing Oct 10 15:07:00 has a fpu Oct 10 15:07:38 1.1 host Oct 10 15:07:38 usb that sux0rs Oct 10 15:08:05 does the final design have any pci/agp slots? Oct 10 15:08:05 koen: http://pastebin.ca/196386 Oct 10 15:08:05 apparently Oct 10 15:08:50 heh - Crofton is a USB 2.0 moth.. :) Oct 10 15:09:07 he is attracted to the 2.0 Oct 10 15:09:13 heh Oct 10 15:09:14 he is nurtured by the 2.0 Oct 10 15:09:32 hrw|work, XorA: could you mail you suggestions to the oe-devel mailinglist? Oct 10 15:09:40 mainly for usrp support, but on these lower perfomrmance machhines it is not much of an issue Oct 10 15:09:46 since I can hack usrp to work at full speed Oct 10 15:10:16 koen: what was XorA suggestion? Oct 10 15:10:37 i'll bbl Oct 10 15:10:43 reality is on the smaller machines I couldn't processor full rate data from a high speed interface Oct 10 15:11:40 * koen looks at http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/ProjectDevices Oct 10 15:12:42 hrw|work: something like http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/p8Ds8O13.html Oct 10 15:13:30 koen: look again Oct 10 15:15:43 sent Oct 10 15:16:57 hrw|work: don't we have 4 poodles nowadays? Oct 10 15:17:18 koen: officially OE has 2 Oct 10 15:17:38 koen: the MAINTAINERS one? Oct 10 15:17:54 koen: I'm not sure about status of RP and CoreDump ones Oct 10 15:18:30 XorA: yes Oct 10 15:22:01 koen: gone Oct 10 15:22:07 cu all Oct 10 15:56:22 AGG packaged Oct 10 15:57:53 I suspect someone has already suggested this ..... Oct 10 15:58:07 should the MAINTAINER file be in XML? Oct 10 16:00:35 and base64-encoded ;-) Oct 10 16:04:45 Crofton, : i don't think so , i searshed on the bugtrack before :) Oct 10 16:04:47 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1464 mine Oct 10 16:05:25 a+ Oct 10 16:44:19 * Varoudis echo "Hello World!" Oct 10 18:26:00 hi Oct 10 18:26:11 hrw: hi Oct 10 18:27:35 hi den-ros Oct 10 18:29:53 hrw: :) Oct 10 18:30:17 food time anyway Oct 10 18:30:18 afk Oct 10 18:57:03 help Oct 10 18:57:37 hello cbrake Oct 10 19:13:51 NAiL: see the angstrom distro configs on how to select glibc 2.4 Oct 10 19:14:57 Fscking openoffice.org Oct 10 20:01:24 ~curse abiword for very shitty OpenDocument support Oct 10 20:01:34 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, abiword for very shitty OpenDocument support ! Oct 10 20:03:08 run abiword, add table, merge cells, save Oct 10 20:03:26 run abiword, load document, say fsck after looking at table Oct 10 20:03:52 looks like best way to do invoice printout is to create HTML page Oct 10 20:04:27 sounds like ORcad Oct 10 20:04:43 route board, check status -> 100%, save Oct 10 20:04:55 load, check status -> 96% Oct 10 20:05:54 #define SHIT "abiword" Oct 10 20:08:26 why use opendocument? Oct 10 20:08:32 pdf should be good enough, right? Oct 10 20:08:38 * koen hates opendoc Oct 10 20:08:45 or even rtf Oct 10 20:10:43 koen: first have to edit then will generate pdf Oct 10 20:24:56 koen: are you stuck with orcad? I used Kicad for a simple project and it was not too bad :) Oct 10 20:31:38 heh heh...if you like OE you'll love gEDA -- a million things to remember but produces gold when it does succeed Oct 10 20:34:49 03erik 07org.oe.dev * rb54fe8fa... 10/ (1 packages/glibc/glibc_2.3.5+cvs20050627.bb): Oct 10 20:34:49 glibc Oct 10 20:34:49 * Formatting change to the SRC_URI list. Zecke's patch used spaces instead Oct 10 20:34:49 of tabs and spaces. Oct 10 20:34:55 03erik 07org.oe.dev * r56dc8d7e... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Oct 10 20:34:55 handhelds-sa 2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh42 Oct 10 20:34:55 * The defconfig-h3600 file was missing a few import options, specifically: Oct 10 20:34:56 + The hidp bluez stack piece built as a module Oct 10 20:34:58 + The jffs2 zlib support built into the kernel Oct 10 20:35:00 These problems ended up exhibiting themselves as half-built but still Oct 10 20:35:04 bootable kernels (go figure). Most notably the zlib_deflate object code Oct 10 20:45:43 kerwood: I even added geda to OE a while back Oct 10 20:45:57 hvontres|poodle: no, I used it for a uni project a while ago Oct 10 20:54:14 03erik 07org.oe.dev * r3c8ee145... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Oct 10 20:54:14 ntp 4.2.2p3 Oct 10 20:54:14 * There is a newer minor release of ntp. This commit provides the bb and Oct 10 20:54:14 patches to provide that package. Oct 10 20:59:22 * T0mW uses Eagle Oct 10 21:00:36 no more board design for me anymore :) Oct 10 21:00:44 just more death-by-matlab Oct 10 21:01:02 and zecke will pop up saying "use octave" Oct 10 21:02:05 well, this project I'm on is going to need a whole handfull of new board designs. Oct 10 21:09:48 boards... Oct 10 21:10:09 Asus A8V-X will probably be next board Oct 10 21:10:20 first have to find someone who will buy my current one Oct 10 21:11:05 meh Oct 10 21:11:15 why do people keep doing PACKAGEG = "foo" Oct 10 21:12:09 koen: nah, use scilab instead :) Oct 10 21:17:41 hrw: A8N-MV CSM here, not too thrilled with the GeForce-3 chipset. Gigabit LAN won't function fully. Oct 10 21:17:45 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rb416fffd... 10/ (1 packages/ntp/ntp_4.2.2p3.bb): Oct 10 21:17:45 ntp: fixes Oct 10 21:17:45 * don't use PACKAGES = "foo", that breaks debug packages Oct 10 21:17:45 * removed bogus looking nylon override Oct 10 21:17:45 * we have an scm, so no need to comment lines Oct 10 21:17:46 * please conform to the styleguide when adding recipes Oct 10 21:18:26 yeah! Oct 10 21:18:55 T0mW: I plan to avoid !VIA mainboards Oct 10 21:19:23 hrw: every freakin' time I get an NForce board, I get burned somehow Oct 10 21:19:33 don't touch the processor then Oct 10 21:19:42 heh Oct 10 21:20:08 CosmicPenguin: AMD X2 4800+ runs really cool with the stock AMD heatsink! Oct 10 21:20:18 CosmicPenguin: any 8 way opterons idling at amd? Oct 10 21:20:42 yeah - on my quake server Oct 10 21:20:47 :) Oct 10 21:21:10 that would be the next step for OE, a beowulf cluster so people can login and do their builds from there. Oct 10 21:21:13 ;) Oct 10 21:21:29 T0mW: that's actually planned Oct 10 21:21:40 complete with qemu images for 'native' dev Oct 10 21:22:34 I have to take time and answer all those guys which offered mirrors or even build power for OZ Oct 10 21:23:02 koen: well, if you are not joking about such a thing, I could be persuaded to make a donation Oct 10 21:23:02 * koen schedules some more bonsai testing time this week Oct 10 21:24:38 I'm not joking, but we need a good tinderbox and bonsai first Oct 10 21:30:19 cu Oct 10 21:30:42 * v8jlene is back Oct 10 21:42:10 morning Oct 10 22:16:54 NOTE: package glibc-2.5-r0: task do_configure: started Oct 10 22:26:52 2.5? Oct 10 22:27:06 koen: ah, I doubt you saw my note from yesterday...? Oct 10 22:27:26 I didn't see it Oct 10 22:27:41 glibc fails to configure with packaged-staging (in dev) Oct 10 22:27:48 it doesn't see the kernel headers Oct 10 22:27:54 don't know if this is a known problem or not.... Oct 10 22:28:22 could also be how I'm "including" ipkg-cl (using the staging dir of my normal bitbake env in my PATH) Oct 10 22:28:35 glibc works fine over here with packaged-staging Oct 10 22:28:39 and it might be that it's just not ready and I'm jumping the gun ;-) Oct 10 22:28:41 hmmm Oct 10 22:28:53 2.4 that is Oct 10 22:29:04 well, I made a clean build env, clean and new local.conf, added INHERIT += "packaged-staging" and it fails on glibc Oct 10 22:29:15 I'll get the error quick Oct 10 22:29:46 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r1e03dbbb... 10/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Oct 10 22:29:46 psplash: add psplash from poky Oct 10 22:29:46 sane-srcdates: lock down psplash to today Oct 10 22:29:46 does it require a certain version of bitbake? Oct 10 22:30:23 I'm using 1.6 Oct 10 22:30:49 koen: hmmm...ok, well I'm trying oz and it's using glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r12 Oct 10 22:32:30 and angstrom with packaged-staging fails on gcc-cross-4.1.1-r7 trying to find linux/errno.h Oct 10 22:32:57 tmp/staging/arm-linux/include/linux has files.... Oct 10 22:33:22 sounds like a missing linux-libc-headers package Oct 10 22:33:33 you do have stage-manager in your PATH, right? Oct 10 22:33:50 yes Oct 10 22:34:22 mp/work/armv5te-linux/linux-libc-headers-2.6.11.1-r2/install/linux-libc-headers-dev/ has all of the files I'd expect Oct 10 22:36:05 hmmm, odd... Oct 10 22:36:10 ack....I might know what it is... Oct 10 22:36:28 what is the preferred way to install ipkg-cl locally? Oct 10 22:38:32 I just installed ipkg and ipkg-utils into /usr/local/bin Oct 10 22:39:42 * JustinP tries again... Oct 10 22:46:40 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r9ab4778f... 10/ (8 files in 5 dirs): Oct 10 22:46:40 angstrom: add psplash to images Oct 10 22:46:40 sysvinit: add rc and rcS from poky to enable psplash Oct 10 22:48:41 HDs are much faster with DMA on ;-) Oct 10 22:49:13 and SATA kicks a lot of ass, at least in my extre,ely limited testing Oct 10 22:49:31 scsi kicks more ass Oct 10 22:49:43 * koen hugs the 2 u320 drives in his buildbox Oct 10 22:49:49 I've only used SCSI once myself....never had the reason Oct 10 22:50:41 only home machines :-) Oct 10 22:54:43 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r3bcdeb94... 10/ (1 packages/glibc/glibc_2.5.bb): Oct 10 22:54:43 glibc 2.5: add version that builds, not tested on device yet Oct 10 22:54:43 * zecke-sane-readelf needs refreshing Oct 10 22:54:43 * other non-applying patches seen to have been applied, but references have been left in for further inspection Oct 10 22:57:01 lets see if that helped against the insomnia Oct 10 22:59:54 ~logs Oct 10 23:00:00 apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org// where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/.html.gz, or updated "nightly" Oct 10 23:07:40 argh Oct 10 23:19:51 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * re36853fa... 10/ (1 packages/uim/uim-native_1.1.0.bb packages/uim/uim_1.1.0.bb): uim: fix apparent typo, pkconfig => pkgconfig Oct 10 23:29:28 * JustinP tries again **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 11 02:59:56 2006