**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 15 02:59:57 2006 Oct 15 07:13:49 mickey|zzZZzz: it *was* packaged? into what package? why wasn't it in the manifest? Oct 15 08:07:32 tmbinc_: no it wasn't. it is now: mickeyl org.oe.dev * r84667dc5... / (4 files in 3 dirs): python: add heapq and bisect support to python-lang, remove bisect from python-threading Oct 15 08:08:25 tmbinc: but it didn't land in python-core, but python-lang instead, which is why twisted may want to RDEPEND on python-lan Oct 15 08:08:25 g Oct 15 08:08:26 bbl Oct 15 08:14:58 mickey|squash: oh, fine. Yes, python-core was just because it was a package which i needed anyway :) and i didn't knew better. Nice that it has now a final place. I'll update the twisted packages then. (it's been an issues only since a recent twisted version since old versions brought their own heapq.py, probably for pre-python-2.3 compatibility) Oct 15 09:34:54 mickey|squash: I'm writing three sentences now Oct 15 09:45:24 3 sentences? Oct 15 09:59:02 hi Oct 15 10:00:54 mithro: OEDEM summary Oct 15 10:01:17 ahh Oct 15 10:06:12 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rb4deec43... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): libaio: revert __io_getevents_0_4.patch (FTBFS on x86) and fix ARM version of io_syscall5 as suggested by Jamie Lenehan Oct 15 10:10:21 someone has debian/arm available? Oct 15 10:11:14 hrw: install angstrom ;) Oct 15 10:12:01 koen: I need pure debian Oct 15 10:12:37 debian chroot on spitz could be probably be a solution.. Oct 15 10:12:52 hrw: do you need root? Oct 15 10:12:54 koen: rb4deec43... need to be checked on arm Oct 15 10:13:08 suihkulokki: no - just need toolchain and libaio-dev installed Oct 15 10:13:30 suihkulokki: or even someone who will try to build aio-stress.c on such machine Oct 15 10:13:43 * Kevin` thinks whether he could give hrw a pure debian system always on Oct 15 10:14:08 Kevin`: arm one? I have few x86 pure debian boxes available Oct 15 10:14:24 I wish :) Oct 15 10:14:41 I did petition ARM for an MPCore board yesterday :) Oct 15 10:15:11 koen: supposedly the MPCore board comes with only 64MB of ram Oct 15 10:15:53 suihkulokki: it is sadly just a versatile + MPCore tile(s) Oct 15 10:16:22 suihkulokki: but my aim was to tell ARM that OE is doing the heavy lifting for debian/ARM Oct 15 10:17:53 wow camino sucks Oct 15 10:18:06 one site can disturb the layout of one in another window Oct 15 10:18:16 zecke: ain't it cute? Oct 15 10:18:32 zecke: and the popup blocker doesn't actually block popups Oct 15 10:18:53 zecke: the flash popups will just suck CPU while being invisible Oct 15 10:18:58 Bug report submitted to: "Debian Bug Tracking System" Oct 15 10:20:46 * koen notes 'bookboot' from openpsion.org Oct 15 10:21:10 hrw: where can I find aio-stress.c ? Oct 15 10:22:09 suihkulokki: moment Oct 15 10:22:23 suihkulokki: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mason/utils/aio-stress.c Oct 15 10:22:41 suihkulokki: instruction how to compile is in file Oct 15 10:22:48 one gcc invocation Oct 15 10:24:15 /usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../libaio.so: undefined reference to `__io_getevents_0_4' Oct 15 10:24:53 suihkulokki: THX Oct 15 10:25:27 suihkulokki: so libaio will get updated in debian soon Oct 15 10:25:37 one would hope that :) Oct 15 10:26:38 (C) in oe manual is sorted by anykind other then 'I started, I added, I added, I added too'? Oct 15 10:26:56 it's using zecke_sort Oct 15 10:27:25 I could give to the .c file, but you can only compile it with gcc 1.2 ;) Oct 15 10:27:26 koen: I need to enforce my trademark here Oct 15 10:32:50 CIA-4: ing Oct 15 10:33:20 * koen kicks CIA-4 Oct 15 10:33:20 ow Oct 15 10:34:03 we will require bitbake 1.6.0 not 1.4.2 Oct 15 10:35:48 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * r123c0282... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: typo (lack of space between words) Oct 15 10:35:53 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * rdb97c909... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: we do not have MAINTAINER field anymore Oct 15 10:35:59 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * re11c6c27... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: we do not have MAINTAINER field anymore (2) Oct 15 10:36:27 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * ra5c45296... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: s/need to specify everything by yourself/need to specify everything other by yourself/ Oct 15 10:36:31 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * r447fa700... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: required BitBake version is 1.6.0, not 1.4.2 Oct 15 10:37:53 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * r7e13fccd... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: another BitBake version bump Oct 15 10:38:00 minimal supported monotone is still 0.28? Oct 15 10:38:10 0.26 iirc Oct 15 10:38:14 ok Oct 15 10:38:46 koen: do you plan to update 0.30 OE snapshot? Oct 15 10:39:28 hrw: when 0.31 gets released (approx. next week) Oct 15 10:39:42 ok Oct 15 10:39:56 I'll just do it now as well :) Oct 15 10:40:36 I want to add info about 0.30 snapshot into docs Oct 15 10:41:04 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * rbe2f4b76... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: link to monotone homepage instead of giving link Oct 15 10:42:09 71% 66MB 1.9MB/s 00:13 ETA Oct 15 10:44:08 hrw: snapshots updated Oct 15 10:45:16 thx Oct 15 10:46:53 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * rca5216bb... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: rephrase 'getting OE' section, added info about 0.30 snapshot Oct 15 10:50:22 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * r55b1d126... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: merge all paragraphs to be oneliners in whole document Oct 15 10:52:18 Hi! Oct 15 10:54:12 hi psokolovsky Oct 15 10:59:12 how would you call 'arm' as cpu architecture? (compared to armv5te, armv4 names) Oct 15 11:12:30 hrw: 'ARM' is the arch, 'ARMv' is the instruction set Oct 15 11:14:10 thx Oct 15 11:15:30 machine need 3 things: target_arch, machine_features, pref_prov_virtual/kernel Oct 15 11:15:33 something more? Oct 15 11:15:37 s/need/require Oct 15 11:16:03 with my COMPATIBLE_MACHINE proposal pref/virtual-kernel would become optional :) Oct 15 11:16:17 sure Oct 15 11:18:58 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r3d4d1770... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openzaurus-sa: added COMPATIBLE_MACHINE Oct 15 11:20:02 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * raf751acf... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openzaurus-pxa27x: added COMPATIBLE_MACHINE Oct 15 11:21:58 crap kernels Oct 15 11:22:10 or even crap 'so called' kernels Oct 15 11:22:25 there are so many *-sa and *pxa stuff recently . :) Oct 15 11:22:52 leoncamel_irssi: or *omap Oct 15 11:23:13 crapolloa Oct 15 11:23:43 hrw: but *why* ? the COMPATIBLE_MACHINE ? Oct 15 11:24:15 leoncamel_irssi: openzaurus-* kernels suxx Oct 15 11:25:31 hrw: ;). does the handhelds-* also suxx ? Oct 15 11:25:44 hrw: linux sucks, use eCos ;) Oct 15 11:25:49 leoncamel_irssi: I cant discuss handhelds-* kernels as I do not use them Oct 15 11:25:57 koen: or vxworks Oct 15 11:26:20 leoncamel_irssi: openzaurus-* ones are 2.4-crapix. very very low quality Oct 15 11:26:31 hrw: hmm, maybe *pSOS*. come on, what's wrong with linux. ;) Oct 15 11:27:10 leoncamel_irssi: you never used 2.4 kernel on zaurus? Oct 15 11:27:31 anyone know of a single page wiki? Oct 15 11:28:10 hrw: I needn't either. I preferre handhelds-* kernel Oct 15 11:31:01 hrw: well, what's wrong with zaurus kernel 2.4 series ? Oct 15 11:32:54 leoncamel_irssi: other then their tons of unknown patches, weird interdependencies, abilities to crash in random places? Oct 15 11:35:25 hrw: sound terrible. Oct 15 11:35:32 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * r6276a508... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: added task-base section Oct 15 11:35:43 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * r6ed7e98b... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: added some infos about adding machine Oct 15 11:41:32 hrw: does the document updated automaticly when you commited ? Oct 15 11:41:45 every 30 minutes Oct 15 11:42:18 koen: OH. how it works ? Oct 15 11:42:30 a cronjob that build the html from the xml file Oct 15 11:42:32 koen: refresh every 30 minutes ? Oct 15 11:43:36 koen: hmm, if there isn't any commits, the cronjob will build the html then ? Oct 15 11:50:13 it will build it every 30 minutes, regardless of commits Oct 15 11:50:30 we want to hook it up to the CIA script, but we haven't had the time yet Oct 15 12:02:15 leoncamel_irssi: it takes 3s anyway Oct 15 12:05:47 html version has too many divs.. Oct 15 12:05:59 hrw: Ok. Oct 15 12:17:18 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * rcb9ac106... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: add new paragraph before steps Oct 15 12:17:20 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * rd26a375b... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: added myself to (C) Oct 15 12:20:08 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * r8e6fdbce... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: rewording in task-base: distro/machine config not .conf Oct 15 12:20:38 hrw, WOW, there are a lot of commit on org.oe.documention. :) Oct 15 12:20:52 leoncamel: many of them are simple rewording Oct 15 12:21:03 I prefer to commit often Oct 15 12:21:38 commit early, commit often. Oct 15 12:22:02 exactly Oct 15 12:22:05 hrw, yes. I agree Oct 15 12:23:12 and another rewording... Oct 15 12:23:14 hi Laibsch Oct 15 12:23:33 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * r3f29d540... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: another rewording in task-base: distro options list things Oct 15 12:25:10 time for 'creating a new distro' part Oct 15 12:25:32 hrw, why is the COMPATIBLE_MACHINE required by every linux kernel stuff ? Oct 15 12:25:39 hrw, IIRC Oct 15 12:25:50 leoncamel: to know which machines are handled by this kernel recipe Oct 15 12:26:05 leoncamel: will linux-ipod produce working kernel for my spitz zaurus? Oct 15 12:26:26 or koen's dualCPU x86 machine? Oct 15 12:27:33 got it? Oct 15 12:28:18 hrw, I think the developer would know "what he/she will do". i thought this dependancy it redundancy. Oct 15 12:28:33 leoncamel: bitbake will does not know Oct 15 12:29:10 leoncamel: we had a time when linux-jlime kernel was built for machines just because someone forgot to tell which kernel is preferred Oct 15 12:30:41 hrw, hmm, OK. why not *abort* if "the someone" forget the kernel preferre ? is it make sense ? Oct 15 12:31:18 leoncamel: we discussed it already many times Oct 15 12:32:02 hrw, :). OK. word it into usermanual ? or FAQ ? Oct 15 12:32:24 kernel policy Oct 15 12:33:01 hrw, WOW. I miss it. :). Oct 15 12:33:31 we too Oct 15 12:36:52 hrw, hmm, I thought there was a chapter named "kernel policy" now, but I found nonthing. ;) so, you are planning it now ? Oct 15 12:37:17 leoncamel: we need to create list of missing policies and start writing them Oct 15 12:37:27 and I will rather do not write it today Oct 15 12:38:06 hrw, :). OK. I am waiting for it. It will make sense. Oct 15 12:46:19 <_law_|iBook> hi Oct 15 12:46:23 hi law Oct 15 12:46:32 <_law_|iBook> hi hrw Oct 15 12:47:02 creating of new distribution has 7 entries in list Oct 15 12:49:16 <_law_|iBook> hrw? Oct 15 12:51:46 _law_|iBook: wait a moment and CIA-4 will tell you Oct 15 12:52:04 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * rc92c658d... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: creating of new distribution Oct 15 12:52:10 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * ra0b62783... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: merged another paragraph into one line Oct 15 12:52:14 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * rd9c068c0... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: LC_ALL=C for subversion output Oct 15 12:53:48 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * r563832df... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: removed empty paragraph Oct 15 13:01:06 CIA-4: kick Oct 15 13:01:06 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * r39e2c5ef... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: creating of own image Oct 15 13:01:10 <_law_|iBook> hrw a okay :-) Oct 15 13:07:35 ;) Oct 15 13:09:36 <_law_|iBook> bbl Oct 15 13:10:00 * _law_|iBook is walking onto the grazer schlossberg ;-) Oct 15 13:21:23 http://www.hrw.one.pl/2006/10/15/openembedded-documentation-day/ Oct 15 13:21:37 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r0c0c4306... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-base.bb): task-base: support 'pci' feature Oct 15 13:26:24 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rad39206b... 10/ (1 conf/machine/guinness.conf): guiness: added pci to MACHINE_FEATURES Oct 15 13:53:59 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rdc352035... 10/ (1 conf/machine/h4000.conf): Oct 15 13:53:59 h4000: Remove pcmcia from MACHINE_FEATURES. Oct 15 13:53:59 * h4000 has only internal pcmcia slot, to which acx100 wifi is hardwired. Oct 15 13:53:59 Thus, no need to support arbitrary PCMCIA devices. Oct 15 14:12:33 Somebody willing to change the preferred version of binutils-cross and binutils to 2.17 in openzaurus-unstable.conf in .dev branch? This would fix bug 1421. Oct 15 14:14:54 this will break the used glibc Oct 15 14:16:41 zecke: In what way? Can you comment in the bug report. This was previously discussed briefly and others seemed to be unaware that this might create problems. Oct 15 14:17:51 Laibsch: did it build glibc 2.4 by default? Oct 15 14:17:58 Laibsch: or did you try to force it to? Oct 15 14:18:49 Actually, I also made a change to compile glibc 2.5. That seemed to work. Oct 15 14:19:06 I can retry with 2.4 (not reset default set elsewhere). Oct 15 14:19:24 Laibsch: the question is which glibc will be build by default Oct 15 14:20:08 I think 2.4 is default. It was being built until I specifically set preferred version in local.conf. Oct 15 14:22:55 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rbc947a86... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Oct 15 14:22:55 python-pyrex[-native]: upgrade to 0.9.3.1 fixing compatibility with Python 2.4 Oct 15 14:22:55 This fixes errors like the following: Oct 15 14:22:55 TypeError: swig_sources() takes exactly 2 arguments (3 given) Oct 15 14:23:00 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r7484bb8b... 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): upgrade python-dbus to 0.71. patches (seem to be) no longer necessary. close #1479 Oct 15 14:23:43 hi Oct 15 14:24:55 Laibsch: let me pull Oct 15 14:25:14 DO NOT change that binutils version Oct 15 14:25:43 RP: can LTT answer questions like: How much mem was used dirung execution of foo? Oct 15 14:26:22 Laibsch: if you want to use glibc 2.5 then use angstrom configuration Oct 15 14:26:43 XorA|gone: I compile for collie. Oct 15 14:27:20 2.17 doesnt work for glibc 2.3.5+cvs which is default for oz-unstable Oct 15 14:27:45 Laibsch: create own distro Oct 15 14:27:56 add collie support to Angstrom Oct 15 14:28:00 Wow, that would be quite a feat for me. Oct 15 14:28:02 Laibsch: openzaurus-laibsch.conf Oct 15 14:28:06 ;-) Oct 15 14:28:16 Are you serious? Oct 15 14:28:20 Laibsch: I'm Oct 15 14:28:28 Nobody else using collie anymore? Oct 15 14:28:29 Laibsch: why not, its a simple tet file Oct 15 14:28:41 Laibsch: my collie gather dust Oct 15 14:29:00 glibc 2.5 is the way of pain anyway :-) Oct 15 14:29:02 hi XorA Oct 15 14:29:12 hey hrw Oct 15 14:29:55 XorA: we do not pin glibc to 2.3.5 in oz unstable (even if one should do) Oct 15 14:30:15 zecke: then we probably should, 2.4/2.5 arent working on arm Oct 15 14:30:25 But "forking" will not help anyone. If anything I want to get that stuff back in OE. That is IMHO better. But I guess there are some obstacles to it ATM. But on the other hand. The current config should not compile much anything. So maybe openzaurus-collie.conf is better than openzaurus-laibsch.conf? Oct 15 14:30:59 Laibsch: oz will use glibc 2.3.5 and gcc 3.4.4 binutils 2.16 Oct 15 14:31:16 Laibsch: this way it is sort of compatible with normal releases Oct 15 14:32:07 But that breaks glibc compilation and without glibc you do not have much of anything ;-) Oct 15 14:32:17 * Laibsch points to bug 1421 Oct 15 14:32:34 hrw: then set PREFERRED VERSION for glibc on oz-unstable Oct 15 14:32:56 zecke: i suspected it has it. Oct 15 14:33:04 mickey: thanks for python-dbus. I hope pygtk2.10 will compile, so that we can make nice applets in matchbox Oct 15 14:33:15 hrw: I can't find it :) Oct 15 14:33:37 hrw: its possible we assumed it had it because 2.3.5+cvs was always the default for so long Oct 15 14:33:58 the real bug in 1421 is we didnt pin it if that is the case Oct 15 14:34:13 zecke: Which is what I suggested. Oct 15 14:34:13 XorA: ack Oct 15 14:34:22 ko Oct 15 14:34:38 hrw: do you have time to edit the file? Oct 15 14:34:57 yes Oct 15 14:36:13 pulling, will push Oct 15 14:36:15 hrw: Cool. Thanks a lot. Oct 15 14:36:39 zecke, XorA: can you look at recent .documentation changes? Oct 15 14:36:51 hrw: I try and find time tomorrow Oct 15 14:36:59 thx Oct 15 14:37:21 Laibsch: pushed Oct 15 14:37:22 hrw: after i have finished this physics crap... Oct 15 14:37:45 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r68939422... 10/ (1 conf/distro/openzaurus-unstable.conf): openzaurus-unstable: set glibc version to same as in release versions: 2.3.5+cvs20050627 - probably will close #1421 bug Oct 15 14:38:21 hrw: wont you need to pin -intermediate -initial aswell Oct 15 14:39:18 XorA: there is no intermediate one Oct 15 14:39:19 hrw: ignore me, we dont have those for 2.3.5 Oct 15 14:39:45 * XorA is being told to go Oct 15 14:40:06 * hrw goes back to oo.org impress Oct 15 14:40:38 I will lecture on OpenEmbedded in wednesday Oct 15 14:53:11 hrw: Thanks. I will try it out. Oct 15 14:53:27 Laibsch, Hi! Oct 15 14:53:50 Laibsch, you won't believe - I tested granule on h4000 ;-))) Oct 15 14:54:45 Laibsch, sorry that it took so long - I selected it as test to make EO.dev build fam0.8.4-compatible packages, and that's time it took to get it work ;-) Oct 15 14:55:25 Laibsch, of course, it's barely usable on qvga. Another suggestion, that it would be nice to add a sample package with cards. Oct 15 14:55:49 Laibsch, but otherwise, looks nice! please submit it for OE mainline inclusion. Oct 15 14:58:57 psokolovsky: Thanks for the report. I was going to package it up. Please make your comments about qvga etc to upstream at http://granule.sf.net as well. There is a task I opened in this respect. The author is requesting feedback which I was so far unable to give him since my Z broke. I got a replacement yesterday. Oct 15 14:59:25 Laibsch, will do Oct 15 14:59:34 psokolovsky: Please do not forget to mention the device you had this running on. Oct 15 14:59:37 Thanks. Oct 15 14:59:58 ok Oct 15 15:00:10 Laibsch: which Z you finally got? Oct 15 15:01:44 hrw: I bought the used Z from my friend. So it is again a collie. got it for 50€ plus 256 meg SD card, Wifi SD, leather case and battery pack. So this was OK for me. I got it sooner than the C1000 my girlfriend could have brought along from Japan next month and I do not like the recent models too much. Oct 15 15:02:16 koen|away: If you ever see that Nokia 770 for 99€ again, do not forget to let me know ;-) I will get it instantly. Oct 15 15:02:45 s/Wifi SD/Wifi CF/ Oct 15 15:04:39 cheap Oct 15 15:29:42 I'm starting to hate oo.org more and more Oct 15 15:33:38 hrw: use abiword or koffice Oct 15 15:33:42 hrw: lyx? Oct 15 15:34:48 zecke: I need somethign to create presentation Oct 15 15:35:03 I would like to make it nicer then the one which I had at oedem Oct 15 15:35:14 hehe Oct 15 15:35:22 latexbeamer + OpenGL animation Oct 15 15:35:37 hrw: S5? Oct 15 15:35:41 http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ Oct 15 15:37:20 probably will stay with shitty oo.org impress Oct 15 15:37:45 this I already 'know' Oct 15 15:38:19 but still cant understand why I cant define boxes to have same style on each slide Oct 15 15:40:26 hrw: Did you try F11? Oct 15 15:40:39 hrw: I think that should achieve what you are looking for. Oct 15 15:40:56 man Styles. man Style Editor. Oct 15 15:41:25 Laibsch: I know that this exist Oct 15 15:41:30 hrw: Let me know if you need help with it. Oct 15 15:41:34 I guess MAINTAINER should be removed from the fields listed at http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/StyleGuide ? Oct 15 15:41:42 Laibsch: should be removed Oct 15 15:41:48 hrw: OK Oct 15 15:42:17 Laibsch: the problem with styles in impress is: which style is where used by default etc Oct 15 15:42:20 hrw: re oo.org, press F11 select outline1 and modify. Select third or fourth tab and you are all set. Oct 15 15:43:25 Laibsch: you have oo.org 1.x or 2.x? Oct 15 15:43:32 hrw: I agree oo.org sometimes seems unintuitive and there is room for improvement. But the payoff is there. Oo.org tries to do the right thing just like OE. But that means, one stumbles across an oddity here and there. Oct 15 15:43:34 2 Oct 15 15:43:37 2.x Oct 15 15:43:50 Newest Debian testing or unstable, I am not sure. Oct 15 15:44:26 The about window says it is from August 17th so quite recent. Oct 15 15:44:55 It is the forth tab, BTW. I counted ;-) Oct 15 15:45:08 Laibsch: I do not have tabs there at all Oct 15 15:45:18 Laibsch: hehe. Save as different format. print out the screenshot of the messagebox, show it to a usability expert and they will cry.. ;) Oct 15 15:45:20 Let me send you a screenshot. Oct 15 15:45:58 I'm starting hacking way... change all styles to insane look and check when it will break Oct 15 15:50:45 its good that after this presentation I will not have to make newer ones Oct 15 15:51:04 so maybe I will find time to remind how it was with latex Oct 15 15:51:39 zecke: What is so bad about it? It is almost the same as MS Office, but maybe that is bad, too. Oct 15 15:51:51 you can edit Title style... but not background of it Oct 15 15:52:25 Laibsch: Ania told that when she first time used powerpoint she just got what she was needing. and it was after fighting with impress Oct 15 15:52:25 hi Oct 15 15:52:38 hi chouimat Oct 15 15:52:53 chouimat: join oo.org antifan club Oct 15 15:53:33 hrw: Style support is bad. I agree. I have a couple of year-old bug reports about it. I was able to hack around by going into the xml source. The functionality is there. But the GUI has not been added for years. I was looking for a way to align headers to the bottom of a reference. Oct 15 15:53:55 hrw: :) Oct 15 15:54:01 Laibsch: I cant find a place where I can edit header/footer for example Oct 15 15:54:29 I think that it is easier to create presentations in OO Writer then in OO Impress Oct 15 15:55:04 hrw: I found this (tonicpoint.jar) so now I can look at the *.pps that the people send me :) Oct 15 15:55:17 hrw: I use latex-beamer for my presentation ;) Oct 15 15:55:24 hrw: I had the same experience but after complaining to oo.org people (this is FOSS, after all!) they convinced they just had a different logic. And I got even convinced by them that their logic was more straight-forward. The example that got me was where to set page margins. Totally different place than I was used to from Powerpoint. But more stringent placement in oo.org indeed. Oct 15 15:55:27 but with OO.org 4.5 user will be able to make presentations Oct 15 15:55:49 chouimat: I will do that too but no time to learn it now Oct 15 15:56:10 Laibsch: its foss but with dead users #channel Oct 15 15:56:37 hrw: In a way you remind me of a Windows user switching Linux and complaining things are not working as in Windows (although they work better which you only appreciate after some time) Oct 15 15:56:53 Laibsch: I never used software for presentations Oct 15 15:56:58 hrw: Would you want to support it? ML is very active and helpful. Oct 15 15:57:01 *never* before oo impress Oct 15 15:58:03 hrw: I worked for management consultancy and presentations are your bread and butter there. The Latex solution that geeks usually propose is the shits and hardly legible, believe me. Powerpoint produces shitty presentations by default, too, though. Oct 15 15:58:33 hrw: you can also try koffice instead of oo.org ;) Oct 15 15:58:48 chouimat: when did koffice got presentation app? Oct 15 15:59:11 chouimat: and how often will it redraw own UI? kspread is unusable for me Oct 15 15:59:12 kpresenter Oct 15 15:59:49 hrw: that I don't know ... Oct 15 15:59:51 chouimat: read opendocument? Oct 15 16:00:09 each time when I try koffice I feel that it need work Oct 15 16:00:20 yes ... it's the standard document type Oct 15 16:00:25 hrw: that is true, but it is more promising than oo Oct 15 16:00:55 hrw: I personaly think that OO.org and MS Orifice need work ... Oct 15 16:00:59 too Oct 15 16:02:17 hrw: and it use less resources than OO ... which is good imho :) Oct 15 16:02:44 chouimat: show me software which does not need work.. Oct 15 16:02:58 hrw: View - Header and Footer Oct 15 16:03:21 hrw: FreeDOS ... Oct 15 16:03:26 * chouimat ducks Oct 15 16:05:22 Laibsch: yep.. I have this menu option. but resulting window lack header at all ;) Oct 15 16:08:28 hrw: Then take a look at the slide master. I can work that fine, here. Oct 15 16:09:10 View - Master - Slide Master Oct 15 16:10:49 ok ok Oct 15 16:11:06 looks like by default impress does not have header even in slide master Oct 15 16:11:20 Yes, that is strange, I agree. Oct 15 16:11:31 my next presentations will be written with latex-beamer or oo writer Oct 15 16:11:41 As I said, sometimes the GUI is lacking when compared to the backend functionality. Oct 15 16:11:47 maybe Oct 15 16:12:02 but I do not plan to hack oo.org or use it more then needed Oct 15 16:12:36 But if nothing works you can always hack the XML which is sort of like hacking in TeX, I guess (gives commands for structure instead of gui click-and-drag) Oct 15 16:13:35 hrw the OO.org file is a simple zip file with XML inside. Quite easy. Oct 15 16:13:44 Laibsch: I know that Oct 15 16:13:53 I WANNA SCREAM Oct 15 16:13:59 fskinch shit called oo.org Oct 15 16:14:59 time to run oo writer Oct 15 16:15:18 or even abiword Oct 15 16:17:04 abiword -> opendocument -> pdf -> screen Oct 15 16:18:15 hrw: use clutter :) Oct 15 16:34:01 koen_ Have there ever been an angstrom-opie-image ? Oct 15 16:36:24 goxboxlive: no, iirc.. apparently there's nobody willing to maintain it Oct 15 16:36:31 goxboxlive: sadly it is currently quite unlikely that Opie will be part of angstrom Oct 15 16:37:06 goxboxlive: also it is unlikely Opie will stay in OE, but mickeyl and me are not yet sure how to handle it Oct 15 16:37:59 zecke: Hmm that's sad, a lot of users like Opie bether than GPE. It is more user friendly. Oct 15 16:38:21 goxboxlive: It was not Dev friendly enough :) Oct 15 16:38:30 it is soooooo great that no-one want to maintain it Oct 15 16:38:47 goxboxlive: Opie has not have a developer actively improving, maintaining it for over a year now Oct 15 16:39:09 goxboxlive: so we attracted users, made good code, easily portable but failed to attract devs Oct 15 16:39:24 goxboxlive: such is life. maybe one day Qtopia is Free and can be used Oct 15 16:39:43 zecke: qtopia free? when hell freezes over probably Oct 15 16:39:44 koen: I have seen some screenshots of GPE wich looks much nicer/bether than the fresh compiled. Why doesnt it come out like that ( if you know what i mean) Oct 15 16:40:01 koen: wait Oct 15 16:40:13 goxboxlive: because some people objected to theme changes too much Oct 15 16:41:06 correct me if i am wrong, but GPE seems aslo slower than Opie, is that also for your devices, or is it just for the Universal? Oct 15 16:41:18 depends on how you configure it Oct 15 16:42:06 With Opie, i have at least 20MB ram free, but with GPE i have approximantly 10MB Oct 15 16:42:15 ? Oct 15 16:42:21 you were talking about speed Oct 15 16:42:29 no, memory Oct 15 16:42:33 ram Oct 15 16:42:42 " but GPE seems aslo slower than Opie" <- speed Oct 15 16:43:00 well, the less memory you have the slower gets the machine Oct 15 16:43:05 ? Oct 15 16:43:16 that's bullshit Oct 15 16:43:21 i am talking about free memory. Oct 15 16:43:23 realy? Oct 15 16:43:50 koen: it is not :) Oct 15 16:43:55 my powerbook won't get faster if I add a gigabyte of ram Oct 15 16:43:59 koen: use Gtk/GPE on a 32m machine Oct 15 16:44:07 In example, i cant install packages over 'ipkg install foo.ipk' because of free memory issue Oct 15 16:44:13 koen: compared that to Opie which fits in 16mb ;) Oct 15 16:44:15 zecke: I have, use gtk 2.6 Oct 15 16:44:43 koen: No, of course not, but you can have more tasks active with more ram Oct 15 16:44:57 koen: still needs +48mb to work Oct 15 16:45:09 koen: or talk to CoreDump|afk ;) Oct 15 16:45:27 zecke: opie can't update my ical calendars via http, and gpe-calendar can Oct 15 16:45:48 which is a bit academic, since opie doesn't run on the 770 :) Oct 15 16:46:00 koen: whatever. that doesn't change the basic requirement Oct 15 16:46:13 it changes the parameters Oct 15 16:46:28 I can say "busybox fits in 1 MB of ram" Oct 15 16:46:35 The HTC universal has 64MB ram, and the angstrom/gpe is runned from the SD card, but likely when i have used it for som minutes it gets slower. Oct 15 16:46:54 use XIP :) Oct 15 16:47:05 koen: so if matchbox+mb-desktop+gpe needs 48mb of RAM to get usable Oct 15 16:47:17 koen: and not talking about GPE calendar Oct 15 16:47:26 zecke: it doesn't with gtk 2.6, gtk 2.8 is a memory hog Oct 15 16:47:36 zecke: stop spreading FUD Oct 15 16:47:38 koen: and randomly tossing foo feature of foo app is... Oct 15 16:47:39 I dont know what XIP is, but could there be a solution for me to add a SWAP space on my SD card? Oct 15 16:48:23 zecke: So I should be glad I've got a Z with a microdrive to put swap on? :) Oct 15 16:49:23 koen: don't be so sensitive here. It is a fact that Gtk+/KDrive+MB needs more RAM than a basic Opie (not talking about additional apps) Oct 15 16:49:42 koen: and Qt is even written in C++ ;) Oct 15 16:49:54 anyway, time for some tv Oct 15 16:50:45 goxboxlive: but still it is unlikely Opie will remain in OpenEmbedded. But we are really not sure what to do with it Oct 15 16:51:03 zecke: sure, it needs more ram, but it's perfectly usuable with 32MB Oct 15 16:51:23 zecke: i c Oct 15 16:51:31 how can I force building ffmpeg_cvs ? bitbake always choosing the ffmpeg_0.4.9pre1. Oct 15 16:51:33 zecke: create an org.openembedded.unmaintained branch for it? Oct 15 16:51:43 What about my SWAP qustion, could that be an solution for me? Oct 15 16:51:57 sure, I use swap on most of my devices Oct 15 16:52:31 koen: That will be a good idea, dont throw it away, someone of us still like to play with Opie Oct 15 16:52:53 And there might be a day someone with skills will start to maitain it. Oct 15 16:52:55 if someone wants to play with it, he should consider maintaining it Oct 15 16:52:55 "koen: zecke: qtopia free? when hell freezes over probably" :) I lake Qt and like Opie in past - but now i will try work only for Gpe. I think Koen right - we do not need Opie further. It is more effective work only for one direction. GPE simple need deep cleaning and some artwork to will be and work more nice even new Qtopia. I think, yet more nice if new UI will be vectoring graphics. Oct 15 16:53:14 I don't think gpe is the answer either Oct 15 16:53:21 koen: I will tru that and use a swap partition Oct 15 16:53:27 fwiw, I like qt 4.2, I hate qt/e Oct 15 16:53:31 koen: there is a difference between getting killed by OOM and being usable Oct 15 16:53:52 koen: sure GPE/GTK+ doesn't get killed on 32MB but only because the linux kernel over commits memory :) Oct 15 16:54:16 zecke: have you actually done measurements, are are you repeating lorns fud? Oct 15 16:54:39 s/are are/or are/ Oct 15 16:54:41 measurements, surveys Oct 15 16:55:06 what did you measure, and did you document the measurement protocol? Oct 15 16:55:10 hi all ... i got "Unrecognized kernel image" from bootldr ... probably because there aren't /boot/zImage in the /boot directory of rootfs directory ... :( Oct 15 16:55:31 koen: fax me the signed NDA and I might give you access Oct 15 16:56:15 I don't have a fax Oct 15 16:56:24 koen: but we can talk to one (the only) survey participant ( CoreDump|afk ) Oct 15 16:56:26 zecke: should we start gpg signing our blog posts? Oct 15 16:56:36 zecke: right, CoreDump|afk Oct 15 16:56:58 :) Oct 15 16:57:32 gosh I hate our physics department Oct 15 16:58:39 2cu Oct 15 16:58:45 cu Oct 15 16:59:09 zecke: 'fax', is that some new MSN thing? Oct 15 17:00:04 koen: no that would be FAX live Oct 15 17:00:14 faxP :) Oct 15 17:01:10 gee, you really, really, *really* don't wanna run GPE on 32M if you can avoid it Oct 15 17:01:31 I woke him up :) Oct 15 17:02:38 :) Oct 15 17:08:28 the bloody poodle is basically OOM when you hit gpe-login =) Oct 15 17:10:17 are poodles better then collies? Oct 15 17:11:08 siriusnova: nope they are too small and annoying :) Oct 15 17:11:24 lol Oct 15 17:11:39 anyone here builta newer konqueror for collie on OZ? Oct 15 17:12:17 * chouimat goes back to his icecream setup ... Oct 15 17:16:01 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rc5ad8766... 10/ (1 conf/distro/generic-unstable.conf conf/distro/generic.conf): Oct 15 17:16:01 generic-unstable.conf: remove Oct 15 17:16:01 generic.conf: use gcc 4.1.1 / glibc 2.4 Oct 15 17:34:15 let the RFC fests begin :) Oct 15 17:34:24 mickey|dinner: thanks for sending the summary Oct 15 17:46:26 when i am making a swap partion with fdisk, do i have to make the filesystem like for ext3 (mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdc1) ?? Oct 15 17:47:23 goxboxlive: mkswap Oct 15 17:47:31 thx Oct 15 17:52:33 koen: the oe calendar link in your mail is broken Oct 15 17:52:56 mickey|dinner: http://geekz.co.uk/shop/eler_knuth0_design_big.jpg Oct 15 17:55:24 NAiL: ah right, missed on occurence in my draft :( Oct 15 17:55:27 NAiL: http://openembedded.org/ical/oe-events.ics Oct 15 17:56:21 time for revenge of the sith Oct 15 17:56:32 goxboxlive: btw: soon(tm) Qtopia will be GPL :} Oct 15 17:57:18 zecke: yes i have heared about that. Oct 15 17:57:42 zecke: how soon is soon ? Oct 15 17:57:44 and will you put qtopia in to OE Oct 15 17:57:49 zecke: january? Oct 15 17:58:12 RP, you there? Oct 15 17:59:12 koen: dunno, Norway soon(tm)... Oct 15 17:59:28 goxboxlive: if TT gurantees to regulary release GPL Oct 15 18:00:22 zecke: sound like any government soon ... Oct 15 18:00:54 chouimat: or like 'novell code drop' Oct 15 18:01:10 koen hehe Oct 15 18:01:45 koen "we're working on it ... but the management is too busy having their head in the ass" soon Oct 15 18:02:35 "Screw the community, we have paying costumers" soon Oct 15 18:04:30 well.. community = potential competitors, paying customers = butter to your bread Oct 15 18:04:41 http://www.qtopia.net/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=1&topic_id=100&sortname=&sortorder=&sortdays=&viewmode=flat&start=0 Oct 15 18:47:23 chouimat: got icecream running? Oct 15 18:52:27 you scream, I scream, we all scream ice-cream Oct 15 18:53:00 or something like that :) Oct 15 18:53:26 likewise: yup ... need to finish my ppc->i686 and my i686->ppc crosscompilers before trying the arm-linux and arm-elf ones Oct 15 18:56:58 koen: I added 128MB SWAP partition and it seems to help a lot. Oct 15 18:58:41 zecke|later: having 6MB of ipkg lists in tmpfs isn't helping either on 32MB ram devices Oct 15 18:58:48 mickey|dinner, trying out konqueror. It starts (export KDEDIR and installed all helvetica fonts) but I cannot see any text (I've typed or on webpage) Oct 15 19:02:47 chouimat: you are running icecream from within OE bitbake, or stand-alone? Oct 15 19:06:15 chouimat: I am preparing a VMWare virtual machine, with the intention of minimizing it for icecream only. Oct 15 19:08:15 likewise: standalone ... I didn't tried it with bitbake yet ... so far it work with all the stuff I compiled even portage :) Oct 15 19:08:23 chouimat: I tried it with OE last few days, works ok, I just need more machines to really scale-up :-) Oct 15 19:08:51 likewise: I currently have 4 computers so it's ok Oct 15 19:09:18 maybe I could had the 2 P200MMXs I have but I will need to hack the code a little bit Oct 15 19:09:21 likewise: now lets install a scheduler on OE.org and have bitbake make a tunnel automagically :) Oct 15 19:09:26 s/had/add Oct 15 19:10:04 koen: I have been thinking about the tunneling, but I do not see an easy solution, do you? Oct 15 19:10:25 likewise: try openvpn :) Oct 15 19:11:33 likewise: can you hardcode the distcc scheduler IP ? Oct 15 19:11:46 koen: distcc has no scheduler Oct 15 19:11:53 hmmm Oct 15 19:12:02 koen: this is why there is icecream Oct 15 19:12:06 ah right Oct 15 19:12:57 Does icecream *need* the clients to be on the same network? I know you can specify the IP address of the scheduler, but I do not know if it must be on the same network. Oct 15 19:13:59 likewise: I managed to get a client working on 192.168.2.0/24 while the scheduler was on 192.168.1.0/24 (you need to specify the scheduler ip iirc) Oct 15 19:14:20 likewise: clients communicate with each other Oct 15 19:14:41 likewise: as long as you have proper routes it will work Oct 15 19:15:44 zecke|later: but they will need to contact the scheduler first, and that IP address can be specified. Oct 15 19:15:55 likewise: it can Oct 15 19:16:04 likewise: if you have a debian start script you can set an IP Oct 15 19:16:32 zecke|later: I saw /etc/defaults/icecc.conf on Ubuntu. Oct 15 19:17:38 likewise: IIRC you can set a ip address Oct 15 19:19:53 koen: have all the uni's computer autoboot into the "icecream" (virtual) machine, have them autoconnect via openvpn to iscream.openembedded.com, and spawn iceccd contacting the OE scheduler Oct 15 19:20:35 koen: oh, yes, and multithread bitbake on the package level Oct 15 19:21:09 likewise: I ehm... Oct 15 19:21:15 ran dnetc on the lab computers :) Oct 15 19:21:49 dnetc? Oct 15 19:22:04 distributed computing Oct 15 19:22:18 koen: :-) Oct 15 19:22:52 chouimat: cracking rc5-64 Oct 15 19:23:07 koen ok Oct 15 19:51:38 mtn: misuse: path _MTN/tmp/1 already exists Oct 15 19:52:28 any thoughts? Oct 15 19:54:11 Crofton: too many local changes? Oct 15 19:54:24 shouldn't be Oct 15 19:55:09 I am thinking I should blow away the working copy and start over even Oct 15 20:11:22 morning all Oct 15 20:11:31 Morning Oct 15 20:11:36 good morning RP Oct 15 20:12:13 * RP has been having mail problems. Someone has decided to launch a DoS against rpsys.net :-( Oct 15 20:12:32 RP: positive feedback from angstrom users about psplash Oct 15 20:12:40 RP: bah, DoS'es suck Oct 15 20:12:44 Thankfully pine seems able to cope with a 1.1GB mbox with 163,000 messages in it... Oct 15 20:12:56 koen: Excellent :) Oct 15 20:13:18 RP: do you have the original poky png? Oct 15 20:13:26 Ineed to figure the shade of grey Oct 15 20:13:43 You'd have to ask mallum for it Oct 15 20:13:58 I just fixed the bugs in it ;-) Oct 15 20:14:05 RP: http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/OE/OE-psplash.AVI Oct 15 20:14:09 (ipaq hx4700) Oct 15 20:19:04 koen: Looks good :) Oct 15 20:19:30 the movie lessens the contracts between white and poky grey :) Oct 15 20:19:36 * koen mails mallum Oct 15 20:21:41 psplash and the sysvinit changes are merged into .dev now I presume? Oct 15 20:26:52 bitbake -g $1 -I '-native' -I 'arm.*-linux-' -I 'lib(c|intl|iconv)' Oct 15 20:37:27 Kristoffer: dunno about installing Helvetica, I just copied the DejaVuSans entry and _named_ it helvetica in the font configuration file. That worked here. Oct 15 20:38:26 mickey|tv, got it working. It needed some other fonts from qpf-qte Oct 15 20:38:34 good Oct 15 20:39:33 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r2a35ebf8... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): cups: remove 1.1.19, remove 1.1.20, add fakeroot-native to 1.1.23 DEPENDS Oct 15 20:39:44 mickey|tv, infact I think we could make konqueror depend on qpf-qte, and update the etc/rc5.d/S99opie to export KDEDIR=/usr Oct 15 20:40:27 Kristoffer: feel free. I'm no longer maintaining opie. Oct 15 20:40:34 :D Oct 15 20:40:36 who does? Oct 15 20:41:19 no one atm. I sent a query for a successor to opie-devel Oct 15 20:42:09 The opie people is very quite on their irc channel :) Only managed to get replies from you, hrw and zecke Oct 15 20:42:57 #opie is only populated with users, not developers. Oct 15 20:43:01 that's probably the problem Oct 15 20:43:39 perhaps someone in #qtopia can help Oct 15 20:50:48 RP: please remind we, will bitbake correctly translate RDEPENDS = "foo-2.6.10" into DEPENDS handling? Oct 15 20:50:48 re Oct 15 20:50:51 wb Oct 15 20:51:44 mickey|tv: No. It will ignore the version in something like RDEPENDS = "foo (>= 2.6.10)" though Oct 15 20:52:00 RP: ah, bummer. could we make it do that? Oct 15 20:52:14 RP: i see the need for us specifying minimum versions in the future more and more Oct 15 20:52:25 mickey|tv: and maximum Oct 15 20:52:34 preferably even that, yeah Oct 15 20:52:34 mickey|tv: I'd like to support versions in DEPENDS. I'm not sure about RDEPENDS Oct 15 20:53:24 mickey|tv: versioned DEPENDS are on the todo list. I agree its needed, although I don't find it very interesting ;-) Oct 15 20:53:24 RP: DEPENDS would be sufficient for a start Oct 15 20:53:30 heh Oct 15 20:53:33 i can understand that Oct 15 20:53:41 For the bitbake dev's: I submitted a patch for regexp support for --graph --ignore-deps Oct 15 20:54:19 likewise: I noticed. I haven't had time to look at the patch though Oct 15 20:54:56 one molten linksys PSU later :( Oct 15 20:54:56 ~praise Kristoffer+zecke Oct 15 20:54:58 All hail Kristoffer+zecke! Oct 15 20:54:58 * RP is irritated at having to spend the weekend learning sendmail rules Oct 15 20:55:08 RP: ok, just wanted to know if I submitted it in the right place, tnx. Oct 15 20:55:17 err...Mickeyl Oct 15 20:55:36 koen|away: what device did you frie? Oct 15 20:55:40 ~frie Oct 15 20:55:50 RP: btw., i have removed most of the function-include mess. missing is glibc and gcc. and there is a bug in bitbake left that makes them appear in the wrong scopes, so that bitbake still complains. Oct 15 20:55:55 likewise: the wap54g fried itself Oct 15 20:56:11 wifi suddenly went away and a plastic smell came Oct 15 20:56:18 s/frie/fry Oct 15 20:56:59 koek: wow. I always wondered if those devices makes the chance of burning your own house down increase by a factor of ten... Oct 15 20:57:06 time to buy a new toy tomorrow :) Oct 15 20:57:07 mickey|tv: Sounds good, thanks :) Oct 15 20:57:19 mickey|tv: I don't like the sound of the bug though :-/ Oct 15 20:57:37 koen: only the PSU? Oct 15 20:57:37 * kerwood loves the odor of fried electronics..it smells like...progress... Oct 15 20:58:00 likewise: yes, so I could replace it with another +5v one Oct 15 20:58:10 but the local store is having a closing sale :) Oct 15 20:58:11 kerwood: smelled fried electronics at our lab means you have to buy a round of "appelflappen". Oct 15 20:58:30 s/smelled/smelling Oct 15 20:58:41 likewise: speaking of bugs: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/index.php/v/Koen/Macro/Beestjes/IMG_6665.JPG.html?q=gallery Oct 15 20:58:42 psokolovsky: fyi, the sphinx guys just posted a 0.2.1 update for pocketsphinx pertaining to a fixed-point bug. Oct 15 20:59:01 VoodooZ, hi, cool! Oct 15 20:59:20 It's good to see they are actively updating the software. Oct 15 20:59:20 koen: Nice shot! Oct 15 20:59:20 VoodooZ, did it build for you finally? did you test it yet? Oct 15 20:59:28 VoodooZ, yes! Oct 15 20:59:31 Yep. It built ok. Oct 15 20:59:40 koen: I will add a cron job for bonsai Oct 15 20:59:42 but I haven't been able to make it work yet. Oct 15 20:59:45 likewise: now you know how an ant milking an aphid looks like :) Oct 15 20:59:46 hourly? Oct 15 20:59:59 zecke: hourly sounds ok Oct 15 21:00:15 * likewise is kindly asking for permission to use this as his background Oct 15 21:00:16 The pocketsphinx_test script works but the demo one doesn't and complains about not being able to config the sound stuff. Oct 15 21:00:40 likewise: granted :) Oct 15 21:01:09 zecke: I'm behind gprs right now, so ssh is a bit painfull Oct 15 21:01:27 I'll try to update the .bb file but can you commit it for me? Oct 15 21:01:38 * koen <- too lazy to find a 20m cat5 cable Oct 15 21:01:51 0 22 * * 1-5 mail -s "It's 10pm" joe%Joe,%%Where are your kids?% Oct 15 21:02:03 * chouimat is enjoying a french movie with a german marshall called Apfelstruddel :) Oct 15 21:02:08 btw, anybody seen this error before: /bin/sh: /sbin/genksyms: No such file or directory Oct 15 21:02:15 What's genksyms part of? Oct 15 21:03:13 sounds like kernel stuff Oct 15 21:03:27 VoodooZ: I usually use packages.ubuntu.com to find out Oct 15 21:03:36 mickey@gandalf:~$ rpm -qf /sbin/genksyms Oct 15 21:03:36 modutils-2.4.26-5mdk Oct 15 21:03:39 I got this while building alsa-driver Oct 15 21:04:04 mickey|tv: yeah, I guess I could have done that too. :( Oct 15 21:05:09 * chouimat pets icecream ... while doing a emerge -uDN world ;) Oct 15 21:06:06 koen: could you unfuck pysvn somehow? Oct 15 21:06:18 zecke: I can't Oct 15 21:06:19 psokolovsky: of course. lucky as I am just updating the pocketsphinx's bb file to fetch the 0.2.1 file fails at the patch task. :( Oct 15 21:06:27 zecke: or rather, I lack the skills Oct 15 21:08:01 VoodooZ, well, patch is simple, you should be able tp upgrade it. Or maybe, they fixed that harcodedness too? ;-) Oct 15 21:08:01 http://rafb.net/paste/results/0QDpET31.html Oct 15 21:08:09 hehe. yeah. I'll fix it. Oct 15 21:12:16 zecke: seriously, I want to fix it, but really don't know how. Oct 15 21:12:16 * mickey|tv hears the bed calling Oct 15 21:12:18 g'night guys Oct 15 21:12:27 mickey|tv: check your mail :) Oct 15 21:12:30 'night mickey|zzZZzz Oct 15 21:12:52 koen: it arrived and it's appreciated! I'll gladly reply tomorrow. Oct 15 21:12:54 koen: hopefully the cron job will be exected :) Oct 15 21:13:07 mickey|zzZZzz: good :) Oct 15 21:13:25 koen: should one mail the mtn folks about bonsai? Oct 15 21:13:46 hi all Oct 15 21:13:55 zecke: I think they'd appriciate it Oct 15 21:14:06 zecke: florian can fix pysvn ;) Oct 15 21:14:10 hey florian Oct 15 21:14:37 koen: Sort by column? eek Oct 15 21:14:50 koen: actually that is quite easy now :) Oct 15 21:15:11 and I'm XHTML 1.0 strict! Oct 15 21:16:31 1.0? Oct 15 21:16:38 I'm HTML 2.0 :) Oct 15 21:16:58 koen: you can convert HTML2.0 to XHTML easily ;) Oct 15 21:17:37 zecke: and some 'results per page' dropdown box somewhere Oct 15 21:17:51 koen: ?items=x Oct 15 21:19:34 koen: where may I put the code? Oct 15 21:19:40 /vaw/www/oe/dl/ ? Oct 15 21:20:15 zecke: sure Oct 15 21:21:05 I will go to sleep now and be offline till I fix the PSU or buy a new AP (or both ;) ) Oct 15 21:21:07 'night all Oct 15 21:23:26 stupid question #37812: How do you guys normally generate patches using diff? Oct 15 21:23:41 The way I've been using is too specific I think. Oct 15 21:24:51 diff -urNd right? Oct 15 21:30:17 VoodooZ: use quilt Oct 15 21:30:43 deja vu! Oct 15 21:30:44 :) Oct 15 21:31:14 although kergoth and other always told me to use quilt I never really did so I'm still a dummy. :) Oct 15 21:31:37 one day perhaps... Oct 15 21:33:29 VoodooZ: use quilt or write a plugin for reiser4 Oct 15 21:33:30 VoodooZ, I'm pretty satisfied with diff so far too ;-). And quilt lacks online documentation. Oct 15 21:34:04 psokolovsky: how do you normally generate your patch then. It's something I've never really learned properly. Oct 15 21:34:26 VoodooZ, diff -u ;-) Oct 15 21:34:30 zecke: hehehe a plugin for reiser4! good one. Oct 15 21:34:48 VoodooZ, then edit the patch to your likes ;-E Oct 15 21:34:55 psokolovsky: I like koens one. diff -Nurd Oct 15 21:35:01 I cn remember that one Oct 15 21:35:15 hehe Oct 15 21:35:43 nite guys Oct 15 21:35:54 nite Oct 15 21:37:16 the strange thing is that configure.in file in the new pocketsphinx is almost exactly the same. does patch expect a specific date? Oct 15 21:38:32 VoodooZ, nope ;-) patch is no magic. it just does what's specified in diff file, including checking context. Oct 15 21:38:41 VoodooZ, context is usually a caveat Oct 15 21:42:20 psokolovsky: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1489 ;-) Oct 15 21:43:20 Laibsch, Nice! Oct 15 21:43:21 ok. I was just being paranoid because of the header's inclusion of date/time. Oct 15 21:44:42 Anybody know a guide on how to write a GUI for QVGA devices or embedded devices in general? You know, something like do's and dont's for embedded devices' GUI. Oct 15 21:49:04 Laibsch, I'm afraid, if one wants specifics, and not just common facts, one will need to look at actual patches for some software. gaim is almost the only example I know ;-( Oct 15 21:53:44 Sorry, DSL hickup. Any replies? Oct 15 21:54:37 psokolovsky: your patch still works. You only need to clone the pocket_sphinx .bb file and update the URL from 0.2 to 0.2.1. Oct 15 21:54:46 I guess the problem with me! :) Oct 15 21:54:51 ;-) Oct 15 21:55:44 I would do it myself but I don't have write access. (and that's a good thing! heheh) Oct 15 21:56:47 VoodooZ, ok, I'll check and commit it on free time. Oct 15 21:57:01 no rush. thanks again. Oct 15 21:57:09 Now Ihave to make it work... Oct 15 21:59:37 I have issues with mtn pull - hangs on "mtn: connecting to monotone.openembedded.org". Anyone sees this? Oct 15 22:05:58 Anyone aware of the "Xlib: extension "Xfree86-DGA" missing on display ":0.0" Oct 15 22:17:50 good nite all, I am of too bed. Oct 15 22:18:01 s/too/to Oct 15 22:51:16 * v8jlene is back Oct 16 01:51:34 morning **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 16 02:59:57 2006