**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 27 02:59:57 2006 Oct 27 06:09:26 I'm not sure about something, to build opie, you have to put something in build/conf/local.conf? Oct 27 06:11:46 codus: which disto are you building for? Oct 27 06:12:04 oh wait I see it now Oct 27 06:12:15 hvontres|home: well, I wanted to build for familiar Oct 27 06:12:33 (at least I thought that was the distro? or is familiar something else?) Oct 27 06:13:22 codus: which branch (.dev or .oz354x) are you in? Oct 27 06:13:48 .dev Oct 27 06:21:42 codus: ok. set the distro in your local.conf to familiar-unstable and bitbake task-opie Oct 27 06:22:34 and then wait a while :) Oct 27 06:22:53 what kind of machine are you buildig on? Oct 27 06:25:57 what kind am I building ON, or FOR? :-) Oct 27 06:26:03 on Oct 27 06:26:10 Im building on an amd64 Oct 27 06:26:47 ok, maybe you won't have to wait that long...mine took 3 days...on a dual PII 333 :) Oct 27 06:26:58 heh :-) Oct 27 06:27:36 you might wand to try building the kernel first to make sure stuff actually works :) Oct 27 06:29:04 hmm, in the config, for BBFILES, do I add packages/*/*.bb as in the sample-config? Oct 27 06:29:22 cause I don't need all packages in there I guess? Oct 27 06:30:14 codus: I did. You won't actually build everthing, just parse it to check for deps. Oct 27 06:30:43 codus: and bitbake 1.6.1 is actually quite fast at parsing, even on my old machine. Oct 27 06:36:55 hmm I'm missing a bitbake.conf? Oct 27 06:37:18 but it's there Oct 27 06:38:49 oh wait Oct 27 06:39:00 it's ok ;-) Oct 27 06:41:47 ok here we goe Oct 27 06:41:48 go Oct 27 06:42:47 hvontres|home: I'm already at 20%? :-p I love my new amd X2 4200+ :-) Oct 27 06:43:15 anyway it doesn't matter that it's this fast cause I can only test it tonight, since I'm at work now Oct 27 06:50:51 is it possible to dualboot on a palm? Oct 27 06:51:14 so that I could keep my regular palmOS, and put opie on there for testing? Oct 27 06:59:52 koen|away: ping Oct 27 07:02:22 koen|away: I would like to see who hammered the site yesterday? Oct 27 07:04:52 will oe download things like gcc-3.4.4.tar.bz2 every time or is it just the first time? cause I've got an extremely limited internet connection Oct 27 07:05:24 codus: it tries to download things only once Oct 27 07:05:35 codus: but you should make sure to pin SRCDATE Oct 27 07:05:47 codus: otherwise CVS/SVN packages will be downloaded every day Oct 27 07:07:05 hi Oct 27 07:08:12 codus: if you have the file already downloaded, you can copy it manually into your DL_DIR, that saves even more download bandwidth Oct 27 07:08:41 schurig: don't forget the .md5 Oct 27 07:09:10 oh ok :-) Oct 27 07:09:12 thanks Oct 27 07:09:24 zecke|zzZZZzz: yeah, when he then creates the initial package, OE will try to "wget" the file, but becuase it's there, it won't really be downloaded. After this, OE makes the md5 by itself Oct 27 07:10:14 zecke|zzZZZzz: AFAIK this is because OE does "wget --continue" Oct 27 07:10:41 creating .md5 files manually would let you work totally offline, but even without them you save bandwidth Oct 27 07:11:52 (my original idea was that OE doesn't make the md5 files by themselves, but that they are rather in the packages repository, so that OE can detect bad downloads. The automatic-md5-generation feature was thought to be only on for *.bb creators. Oct 27 07:13:22 where can i find people which know and work on pxa270 developments ? Oct 27 07:15:56 rob_w: here Oct 27 07:16:12 schurig, cool Oct 27 07:16:12 rob_w: but maybe not at this time :-) Oct 27 07:16:53 rob_w: anyway, just ask your question, maybe someone reads it who has been silent so far Oct 27 07:17:05 a question fe is the hx4700 uses pxa270 but i see that it does have many additional chips with functions which the pxa270 already has implemented ? Oct 27 07:17:36 fe, sd mmc is supported by the pxa270 but yet the hx4700 uses the asic3 ? Oct 27 07:20:45 rob_w: I have no real knowledge about sharp devices, but my guess is this: they had used this ASIC3 for years, and then they made a PXA270 based device, they continued to use what worked for them, to save development time & cost. Oct 27 07:21:33 rob_w: so they saved development + test time/cost for the PXA based device driver Oct 27 07:25:54 i ssee Oct 27 07:36:34 morning Oct 27 08:06:04 ehm there seems to be a problem building opie Oct 27 08:06:34 qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - exiting Oct 27 08:06:34 NOTE: Task failed: localedef returned an error (command was PATH="/opt/openembedded/build/conf/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/bin/arm-linux:/opt/openembedded/build/conf/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/bin:/opt/openembedded/build/conf/tmp/cross/bin:/opt/openembedded/bitbake/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/opt/vmware/bin" I18NPATH="/usr/share/i18n" qemu-arm -r 2.6.16 -L /opt/openembedded/build/conf/tmp/work/arm-linux/glibc-2.3.5+cvs2005 Oct 27 08:06:41 NOTE: package glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r12: task do_package: failed Oct 27 08:08:21 codus: amd64? Oct 27 08:08:28 jep Oct 27 08:08:50 codus: qemu-arm doesnt work on amd64 Oct 27 08:16:55 so I put that in the BBMASK? Oct 27 08:18:40 codus: there is a flag to disable using it to gerate locales, but I cant remeber the name of the flag Oct 27 08:18:45 codus: try the wiki Oct 27 08:19:47 ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" Oct 27 08:19:48 I think Oct 27 08:19:56 in your local.conf Oct 27 08:22:18 yep it's in there Oct 27 08:22:22 I'll try that Oct 27 08:22:35 thanks ;-) Oct 27 08:27:11 codus: Im an amd64 user, so I fall over that one a lot Oct 27 08:29:04 XorA: hehe I see :-) Oct 27 08:29:16 what disadvantages does it have, disabling the locale-thing? Oct 27 08:29:35 morning Oct 27 08:31:05 codus: locales must be gerated on device, which doesnt work, they always OOM Oct 27 08:31:17 that's all? Oct 27 08:31:23 codus: but if your an English speaking native, it wont bother you Oct 27 08:31:32 hey hrw|work Oct 27 08:31:42 ok :-) Oct 27 08:34:17 hey florian_kc Oct 27 08:34:34 hi all Oct 27 08:38:28 gah meeting Oct 27 08:46:34 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r70ce29b3... 10/ (8 files in 4 dirs): dbus-glib: add 0.72 Oct 27 08:57:11 XorA|meeting: locales does not OOM if you have >64M ram on device Oct 27 09:16:04 ehm Oct 27 09:16:11 what did I build now?:-) Oct 27 09:16:13 task-opie? Oct 27 09:17:16 opie-image? Oct 27 09:17:53 I did bitbake task-opie, but without knowing what it is :-) Oct 27 09:22:03 is there a bitbake var that points to the target staging dir? Oct 27 09:22:11 ( in my case... ${STAGING_DIR}/i586-stv-linux ) Oct 27 09:23:13 codus: ${STAGING_DIR}/${BUILD_SYS} Oct 27 09:23:39 codus: but if you need the bindir, you can use STAGING_BINDIR. See /conf/bitbake.conf and search for STAGING_DIR there Oct 27 09:23:46 schurig: ok, cool Oct 27 09:24:09 yeah, I knoe about STAGING_LIBDIR, INCDIR, BINDIR etc... Oct 27 09:24:14 I just need the root Oct 27 09:24:16 thanks Oct 27 09:24:22 codus: maybe you wanted HOST_SYS, not BUILD_SYS, not sure :-) Oct 27 09:24:52 codus: and to get you utterly confuses, there's also TARGET_SYS :-) Oct 27 09:25:06 yeah but what I meant was, I don't know what the task-opie is, I just did bitbake task-opie without knowing what I did Oct 27 09:25:59 codus: "bitbake -e -b | less" might be of some help, too Oct 27 09:26:59 codus: task-opie is just a meta-package. It does just trigger the compilation of many, many bitbake recipes that create all IPK files needed for an Opie based system Oct 27 09:27:26 codus: if you're beginning, you should probably start with something simpler, e.g. task-bootstrap Oct 27 09:28:08 oh ok thanks Oct 27 09:29:24 essential-image Oct 27 09:29:24 essential-machine-image Oct 27 09:29:24 boostrap-image Oct 27 09:29:24 xterminal-image Oct 27 09:29:24 gpe-image. Oct 27 09:29:31 ( my order to test ;) Oct 27 09:31:50 or our famous target: nano ;) Oct 27 09:31:52 bitbake nano Oct 27 09:32:08 hrw|work: hehe, nano isn't essential, emacs is! Oct 27 09:32:15 hrw|work: (just flaming, /me is not an emacs user) Oct 27 09:33:00 * Genesis prefere vi Oct 27 09:33:09 did you say "flaming ?" ;) Oct 27 09:34:14 schurig: ;) Oct 27 09:34:29 * schurig unpacks his old, american flame thrower from the bad old vietnam days Oct 27 09:34:35 but if you do bitbake opie-image, it compiles the kernel and everything, right? Oct 27 09:35:26 why opie and not gpe ? Oct 27 09:35:44 codus: AFAIK yes, images always compile things that are needed to boot, and the kernel fit's into this category. You can find out what whould be compiled, by doing "bitbake -n WHATEVER", e.g "bitbake -n opie-image". Oct 27 09:36:12 Genesis: because I like opie more:p Oct 27 09:36:25 codus: however, if you start your own machine, then probably you don't have the infrastructure there yet. But for exisiting & well-supported machines, you're basically right. Oct 27 09:38:13 codus, : i would like to know why people like opie , that was a real question Oct 27 09:54:12 Genesis: It has a more polished UI Oct 27 10:20:35 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * rcdc68093... 10/ (1 packages/linux/ixp4xx-kernel.inc): ixp4xx-kernel: Now builds an fsg3 kernel - completely untested Oct 27 10:21:46 what is DEPLOY_KEEP_PACKAGES used for? Oct 27 10:22:27 it's used in rootfs_ipk.bbclass Oct 27 10:23:06 I ask because I have a problem when trying to build an image... Oct 27 10:23:54 it gets to do_rootfs, and fails when trying to do ipkg-cl ${IPKG_ARGS} update Oct 27 10:24:10 it's not finding the Packages file Oct 27 10:24:22 I know I can do bitbake package-index to get around this Oct 27 10:24:44 but it's quite annoying having to do that all the time Oct 27 10:25:11 Genesis: oh well, like RP says Oct 27 10:25:23 rootfs_ipk should build Packages index Oct 27 10:25:29 it looks like DEPLOY_KEEP_PACKAGES will generate the package index for me, but can't find any examples where anyone else has used this variable Oct 27 10:25:52 Genesis: I never used gpe though, so my opinion only rests on what I've read, and the screenshots I've seen :-) Oct 27 10:26:24 morning all Oct 27 10:33:45 hi ade|desk Oct 27 10:38:49 I'm trying to work out the best way to be able to build packages for multiple machines from one oe checkout Oct 27 10:39:44 each of the machines I'm building for requires a different toolchain, but is it possible to have more than one toolchain on the go at once? Oct 27 10:40:02 (switching between them by simply altering MACHINE in local.conf) Oct 27 10:41:02 or, in my case, I'm working on a couple of different distros at once... each requiring a different toolchain, and each is target at a different machine Oct 27 10:41:12 targeted* Oct 27 10:42:20 tkp: why different toolchain? Oct 27 10:42:34 tkp: misc TARGET_ARCH? Oct 27 10:42:53 the distros are running different software... some of which requires older versions of glibc Oct 27 10:43:26 the toolchain is actually more specific to the DISTRO than MACHINE Oct 27 10:43:44 tkp: so you build distro from OE and use some propertiary soft under it? Oct 27 10:43:49 but... the packages are also tuned specifically for each machine Oct 27 10:44:16 hrw|work: I have built up my own distro... with some of my own software Oct 27 10:44:19 tkp: tried TMPDIR=tmp/$DISTRO/ ? Oct 27 10:44:37 tkp: create own private tree and build your own software with OE? Oct 27 10:44:43 hrw|work: thats the kind of thing I was thinking of Oct 27 10:45:15 hrw|work: what do you mean by create my own private tree? Oct 27 10:45:53 basically, I checked out oe HEAD, and checked it all into my own local svn repo Oct 27 10:45:54 tkp: use BBCOLLECTIONS and two packages dirs: 1. OE .dev and 2. your own stuff Oct 27 10:46:05 hrw|work: thats exactly what I do Oct 27 10:46:13 k Oct 27 10:47:07 It's just that now I'm working with multiple machines/distros, I need to build sepperate packages/toolchains for each... and I need an easy way to switch between them (via local.conf) Oct 27 10:47:19 the TMP_DIR trick looks like it should achieve that Oct 27 10:47:30 wb zecke Oct 27 11:07:05 tkp: inherit multimachine? Oct 27 11:07:56 tkp: or look at the /classes/multimache.bbclass file and make something similar for Oct 27 11:09:59 schurig: he also want multidistro Oct 27 11:27:06 this is odd Oct 27 11:27:08 NOTE: Task failed: Fetch failed: http://www.busybox.net/downloads/busybox-1.00.tar.gz Oct 27 11:27:24 but there's no problem if I try to go to the address Oct 27 11:33:50 codus, : what's a pity to choose an env on a screenshot :o Oct 27 11:34:29 don't worry, I'll try gpe too :-) Oct 27 11:34:41 :o) Oct 27 11:34:48 my ipaq is my spare handheld now so I can experiment with it Oct 27 11:39:43 koen|away, u around? Oct 27 11:52:19 has anyone try to use mozplugger on OE ? Oct 27 12:29:35 anybody expierence with armmon bootloader ? Oct 27 13:02:25 My distro is capable of running on multiple arch's... when building packages, is it possible to build them for multiple arch's at once? Oct 27 13:04:44 because depending on the value of MACHINE, different optimizations are used to compile the software. So does this mean that each package is only suitable for use on that specific MACHINE? Oct 27 13:05:10 in MACHINE.conf, I have TARGET_ARCH and also IPKG_EXTRA_ARCHS Oct 27 13:05:30 what is IPKG_EXTRA_ARCHS for? Oct 27 13:05:53 tkp: other arches you machine can run, like armv5 can run armv4 Oct 27 13:06:46 so, that packages will be built specifically for TARGET_ARCH tho right? Oct 27 13:08:10 so for example, if my TARGET_ARCH was 'i686', then IPKG_EXTRA_ARCHS should probably include "x86 i386 i486 i586"? Oct 27 13:08:10 yes Oct 27 13:08:29 so what is IPKG_EXTRA_ARCHS actually used for tho? Oct 27 13:09:27 /etc/ipkg/archs Oct 27 13:09:48 ok, so the target uses it to decide if a package is useable Oct 27 13:09:58 arch.conf sorry Oct 27 13:10:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1sXyqpnWBY Oct 27 13:10:22 * XorA has no flash Oct 27 13:19:26 XorA, : gnash 'll provide flash video soon Oct 27 13:19:37 using ffmpeg Oct 27 13:20:03 then someone just has to make an amd64 compatible mozilla plugin Oct 27 13:20:29 perharps soon , we could see youtube on our handhelds :) Oct 27 13:21:20 ( with our _overclocked_ handhelds ) Oct 27 13:22:05 XorA, : i think it's already done Oct 27 13:47:50 * XorA thinks he is going insane Oct 27 13:56:05 Genesis: I'm installing and using flash as soon as they don't start the Flash automatically, but only after a press onto some "PLAY" button Oct 27 13:56:37 Genesis: for me it's very distracting if some animated GIFs and Flashes are blinking and blitzing, so I disabled animations by default Oct 27 13:57:07 Genesis: for gif, Konqueror and Mozilla/Firefox can do this, but Flash usually starts automatically, giving me annoying screens Oct 27 14:08:42 schurig: disable plugins in konqueror Oct 27 14:09:10 hrw|work: but that is an axe, it would disable all plugins Oct 27 14:09:47 hrw|work: when I'm boring, I'll contribute code to gflash that allows it to be "non-animating" at first then only starts the anim if asked to do so Oct 27 14:10:59 hrw|work, I couldn't get kernel to build by appending EABI to kconfig Oct 27 14:11:12 so I made two kconfigs, one for EABI and one for old-abi Oct 27 14:12:29 morning Oct 27 14:13:20 Crofton: ok Oct 27 14:13:45 schurig: I use only two plugins: flash & java. both are annoying so I disabled them in konq Oct 27 14:15:15 hi Oct 27 14:22:29 http://www.flickr.com/photos/hrwandil/280595783/ Oct 27 14:23:51 what is TARGET_CC_ARCH supposed to be used for? Oct 27 14:24:14 I ask because it seem to be used mainly in MACHINE.conf to specify -march and -mtune Oct 27 14:24:25 schurig, : i"m paid to make flash working on the board Oct 27 14:24:31 don't blame me Oct 27 14:24:39 but in some cases, other things are also specified, like '-Wa,-mcpu=xscale' Oct 27 14:24:56 and even -Os -pipe Oct 27 14:25:14 and then there is FULL_OPTIMIZATION and BUILD_OPTIMIZATION Oct 27 14:25:49 does it actually make any difference which one of those three variables holds the cflags? Oct 27 14:27:33 ~change 19 gbp to eur Oct 27 14:27:37 19.00 Pound (GBP) makes 28.3323 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/) Oct 27 14:55:25 * hvontres|poodle wonders where everyone went today.... so quiet Oct 27 14:57:43 too busy I'm Oct 27 15:02:08 hrw|work: when did you shrink and turn green? Oct 27 15:02:56 XorA: hehhe.. Oct 27 15:03:33 It's quiet today... too quiet... not even Cyorxamp is ranting over on #openzaurus...:) Oct 27 15:04:11 * XorA hasnt been to #openzaurus for ages Oct 27 15:04:50 XorA: check out yesterday's log for a good laugh.. Oct 27 15:06:52 or this: http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/openzaurus.html.gz Oct 27 15:09:41 hvontres|poodle: glad Im not there anymore Oct 27 15:10:08 CoreDump|home is either insane or just a fair op, kicking a total of 2 people! Oct 27 15:10:08 lol Oct 27 15:10:34 ? Oct 27 15:10:44 from the above log file Oct 27 15:10:50 i missed the " Oct 27 15:11:15 sweet Oct 27 15:11:58 I just hope he NEVER finds out about oe.... Oct 27 15:12:22 hvontres|poodle: how long is the log? Oct 27 15:12:49 hvontres|poodle: We will ban him Oct 27 15:14:11 http://ibot.rikers.org/%23openzaurus/20061026.html.gz 26-Oct-2006 19:27 58K Oct 27 15:16:59 XorA: ? Oct 27 15:19:54 hrw|work: your sentence construction is starting to resemble yoda Oct 27 15:20:12 zecke|siesta: with only three people having OP in this channel, one of which is actually a bot (heh) that could be rather tricky. There are 5 ops in #openzaurus and none were on at the right time Oct 27 15:21:34 wow this guy really constructive comments Oct 27 15:24:03 XorA: it has to do it Oct 27 15:24:34 XorA: or 'planned it was' Oct 27 15:25:45 chouimat|ibook: the funny thing is, his post on the oesf forums today was actually quite lucid... Oct 27 15:27:18 someone has usb0 now? Oct 27 15:27:31 I need to know does it has random mac or not Oct 27 15:27:45 hrw|work: it should Oct 27 15:28:11 and it did last time I checked Oct 27 15:28:21 hvontres|poodle: being angry sometimes doesn't help ;) Oct 27 15:28:25 hrw|work: let me check...mine is at 5A:C3:B9:1E:C2:8E currently Oct 27 15:28:33 hrw|work: 7a:57:3d:d8:32:92 Oct 27 15:28:41 hrw|work: 02:c1:70:3e:8a:0e Oct 27 15:28:49 hrw|work: ee:15:d2:94:5a:e3 Oct 27 15:28:58 on repeated inserts Oct 27 15:29:11 thx guys Oct 27 15:29:14 hrw|work: and many more Oct 27 15:29:35 hrw|work: np Oct 27 15:30:14 * XorA would suspect you can make it be non-random is needed Oct 27 15:30:37 chouimat|ibook : especially when tying to get help from unpaid volunteers..:) Oct 27 15:32:17 XorA : Didn't the old 2.4 udbnet driver have a fixed mac? Oct 27 15:32:26 hvontres|poodle: no idea Oct 27 15:32:42 hvontres|poodle: show use 2.4 this days.. Oct 27 15:32:56 (other then our admin on our intranet server) Oct 27 15:33:47 hrw|work : no, just trying to remember if the old crappix driver had a random mac or not... not that that matters anymore :) Oct 27 15:33:59 hvontres|poodle: yup ... spent 2 hours on the phone with the hardware designer for my current contract ... after 15 minutes I wanted to hang up ... there is a finite number of time I can heard the expression "Virgin Mary" in a technical discussion ... like 0 ;) Oct 27 15:34:48 chouimat|ibook: 'virgin mary' is an idiom? Oct 27 15:35:04 chouimat|ibook : how was it used.."virgin mary this thing blew up again" or in the more traditional use.. Oct 27 15:35:38 * raduga knows a few Marys who are yet virginal Oct 27 15:35:42 but none of them mothers Oct 27 15:39:34 hvontres|poodle: every time he's not sure about a design decision is the right one ... after 2 minutes you hear yes this right ... the virgin mary just told me we are on the right path ... 2 guys left the team this week because of this ... Oct 27 15:39:49 hvontres|poodle: he's talking with her ... Oct 27 15:40:37 chouimat|ibook, in Ottawa? wow. scary. he can't be serious. Oct 27 15:41:02 chouimat|ibook : Wow...I didn't know she did circuit design ...:) Oct 27 15:41:15 RFC sent Oct 27 15:41:34 np: Madonna - Open Your Heart (6:00 / 3:51) Oct 27 15:41:35 VoodooZ: the guy is in quebec city ... Oct 27 15:42:02 wow. still funny. Oct 27 15:42:22 hvontres|poodle: me too ... and she also know how to write a compiler Oct 27 15:42:46 jesus was known to HACK with wood so it's possible. ;-) Oct 27 15:43:20 VoodooZ: but he ended not so good with that hacking Oct 27 15:43:38 hehehehe Yeah, it was just a sideline/hobby for him. Oct 27 15:44:04 hrw|work: so yoda you are now? Oct 27 15:44:13 JID: hrw-jabber.org Oct 27 15:44:14 OpenEmbedded developer/consultant Oct 27 15:44:14 Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate... leads to suffering. Oct 27 15:44:16 -- Yoda Oct 27 15:44:18 hvontres|poodle: ;D Oct 27 15:44:30 not so good? I think it was one of the greatest trolls, ever Oct 27 15:44:39 Try not! Do, or do not! There is no try! -- Yoda Oct 27 15:44:52 thats my favorite Oct 27 15:45:16 * hvontres|poodle wonders if that should be in the topic for #oe Oct 27 15:45:27 VoodooZ: this morning wasn't funny ... he woke me and when I told him to wait a little while I was making some coffee ... he told me that was poison that I will better to go to the communion ... Oct 27 15:46:03 wow! it's a serious nutcase. I'm not one to drink large amount of coffee but come on! Oct 27 15:46:42 chouimat|ibook : I thought it was the mormons who hated caffeine and not the catholics.... Oct 27 15:46:51 VoodooZ: yup ... and he's also paranoid ... but now that he found religion it's getting even worse ... Oct 27 15:46:59 hvontres|poodle: he drinks tea :) Oct 27 15:47:06 hehehe. Oct 27 15:47:15 is there a recipie I can cook that will just build the toolchain? Oct 27 15:47:20 well tea is fine by itself but... Oct 27 15:47:35 chouimat|ibook : What kind of hardware is he working on? Oct 27 15:48:06 coffee is the devils drink! but you can't run away heathen, god is all knowing..... toolchains are not supported to work in the event of apocalypse. Oct 27 15:48:10 Yeah, does he know is stuff at lesat? Oct 27 15:48:13 tkp: gcc-cross Oct 27 15:48:23 Or is he just a suit. Oct 27 15:48:25 hvontres|poodle: lpc2138/2148 based CAN adapter :) Oct 27 15:48:47 VoodooZ: he knows his stuff ... just not the programming part Oct 27 15:48:56 chouimat|ibook, which company is it you work for again? Oct 27 15:49:00 chouimat|ibook : well, at least he didn't go amish on you :) Oct 27 15:50:16 chouimat|ibook, Are they looking for more embedded guys? I'd love to get back in the biz (got canned from ALcatel during the hightech crash and been stuck in IT since!) Oct 27 15:50:57 ok, and once I have it it built, is it possible to then save this toolchain for future use? I think this is where ASSUME_PROVIDED comes in... are there some docs for doing this? Oct 27 15:51:02 chouimat: he never... had any connection with MetaWare did he? Oct 27 15:51:13 raduga: no Oct 27 15:51:24 chouimat: ok :) i was just wondering Oct 27 15:51:49 hmm.. dilema I have.. Oct 27 15:51:52 VoodooZ: it's more contracting work ... and the pay is not good ... so far I'm sharing half the risk of the project ... and I don't like it Oct 27 15:52:10 19:30 Top Secret (1984 year comedy) or 20:15 Two Towers... Oct 27 15:52:22 because MetaWare supposedly in the early days, was overpopulated with religious loonies of all stripes. Oct 27 15:52:36 brb Oct 27 15:52:42 tkp: I do not remember does it is movable but you can test Oct 27 15:52:54 hrw|work : is Two Towers the regular or the exteded edition? Oct 27 15:53:00 hrw|work: tape one watch the other Oct 27 15:53:15 hrw|work: I did just try actually... I don't think it is. Oct 27 15:53:20 (mostly fundamentallists, but apparently some others. Supposedly they also made nice compilers, and hired some very smart people, too.) Oct 27 15:53:24 hvontres|poodle: in TV so probably regular Oct 27 15:53:33 anyone know of a good tool for generating a reusable toolchain? Oct 27 15:53:57 tkp: OE: bitbake meta-sdk Oct 27 15:54:11 * tkp takes a look Oct 27 15:54:12 hrw|work : on TV, I'd go with Top Secret.. unless you really want to be up at Midnight :) Oct 27 15:54:18 chouimat|ibook: "Despair is just another word for 'not enough coffee'" -- Wally from "Dilbert" Oct 27 15:54:53 hrw|work : and LoTR is much better off DVD anyways... Oct 27 15:55:02 * hvontres|poodle has all three at home :) Oct 27 15:56:28 hrw|work: or meta-toolchain? Oct 27 15:56:29 kerwood: I have to add it to ~/.taglines Oct 27 15:56:37 tkp: do not remember how it is called now Oct 27 15:56:40 ok lunch time Oct 27 15:57:08 chouimat|ibook : watch out for those Virgin Mary Potato chips :) Oct 27 15:57:09 there are both meta-sdk and meta-toolchain Oct 27 15:57:16 * tkp tries to work out the difference Oct 27 15:58:04 DESCRIPTION = "Meta package for building a installable toolchain" Oct 27 15:58:06 yeah, I think it's toolchain that I want... sdk includes stuff about x too Oct 27 15:58:09 thats meta-toolchain Oct 27 16:00:01 hvontres|poodle: hehe Oct 27 16:00:36 hmm. I need new desk to home.. but all todays desks are made for LCD users... Oct 27 16:03:48 hrw|work: you could try to find a used "Executive" Desk... the kind those really big bosses have... Oct 27 16:04:03 hvontres|poodle: I'm limited to 130x90cm Oct 27 16:06:11 hrw|work: did you try IKEA ?? Oct 27 16:06:26 hvontres|poodle: yes. found few ideas there Oct 27 16:06:43 hvontres|poodle: but paying ~1000 pln for desk is a bit to much for me Oct 27 16:06:44 hrw|work, why? I find computer desks totally stupid - better get a "normal" desk and put your computer there Oct 27 16:07:04 TheCan: and thats what I plan to do Oct 27 16:07:17 TheCan: but most of desks now are 60-70cm deep Oct 27 16:07:25 hrw|work: any used furniture places out your way? Oct 27 16:07:25 TheCan: my 17" crt has 50cm... Oct 27 16:07:51 hrw|work, i got mine for 100 euros (new) i think 3 years ago Oct 27 16:07:52 it is 80cm deep, 160 i think long and 60(?) tall Oct 27 16:08:12 it's just you know ikea-style quality so you have to put it besides a wall so it really stands stable :D Oct 27 16:09:07 chouimat|ibook, I see. my current company is also underpaying and it's an entry-level position so I'm not happy to be here at 32. Oct 27 16:09:47 VoodooZ, the one i work besides my studies is paying me a lot but the work is totally stupid and annoying -> thats not better really Oct 27 16:10:13 TheCan, where are you located? Oct 27 16:20:08 TheCan: sounds ideal, where from ? Oct 27 16:24:01 is glibc2.4 still a no-go for ARM? Oct 27 16:40:27 ade|desk, VoodooZ: a mid-size store called "m�bel gamma" (though a local one, but the forniture was from poland, i looked after this "made in" thingy)= :) Oct 27 16:41:02 cool. I just thought you were in Ottawa (Canada) like me and choimat. Oct 27 16:43:21 * chouimat|ibook is waiting after UPS ... Oct 27 16:43:38 http://www.hrw.one.pl/about/ - what are you thinking? Oct 27 16:44:08 http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/10/27/sweden.judge.ap/index.html Oct 27 16:47:18 ok time to go home Oct 27 16:49:32 cu Oct 27 16:53:26 I want to just install libsqlite into my rootfs and not sqlite3 since I only need the lib. I think the following is a bug but wanted to check: The packages list for the sqlite3.bb file lists libsqlite but it actually generates the ipkg file libsqlite3-0. The package list should be changed to libsqlite3-0, correct? This would allow me to just add libsqlite3-0 to my meta file and only install it. Oct 27 16:54:36 sqlite3.inc: current: PACKAGES = "libsqlite3-0 libsqlite-dev libsqlite-doc sqlite3 sqlite3-dbg" Oct 27 16:55:26 opps the last post is what I think it should be, here is what it is: PACKAGES = "libsqlite libsqlite-dev libsqlite-doc sqlite3 sqlite3-dbg" Oct 27 16:56:48 I'll submit a bug report/patch but I wanted to double check that my understanding of PACKAGES= is correct. It should list all the packages generated by the .bb fle, correct? so you should be able to bitbake "any name in package list" and it will build that package.. Oct 27 17:00:19 Gerrath: there is some info on PACKAGES in conf/documentation.conf -- not sure if that helps. Oct 27 17:03:06 Gerrath: I think you would bitbake sqlite3, but ipkg install libsqlite3-0. Oct 27 17:03:42 Gerrath: You can not bitbake all of the the packages listed in PACKAGES... They all get generated when you bitbake the main package... you can add any of the generated packages to RDEPENDS Oct 27 17:03:49 or install them via ipkg Oct 27 17:04:14 cbrake, but what if I want to set everything up so it will generate a rootfs image with all the packages I want installed? If I add sqlite3 to my meta file it will install sqlite3 as well. Oct 27 17:04:22 tkp, thanks thats what I needed.. Oct 27 17:05:01 Gerrath: DEPENDS=sqlite3, RDEPENDS=libsqlite3-0 ? Oct 27 17:05:19 cbrake, thanks, I understand now :-) Oct 27 17:05:59 Gerrath: I'm still a bit fuzzy on when/if entries in RDEPENDS actually force packages to be built, or if they always need to be in the DEPENDS. Oct 27 17:06:29 cbrake: I'm prety sure that adding them to RDEPENDS alone is enough Oct 27 17:06:54 tkp: ok, thats what I was thinking, but never look into it. Oct 27 17:07:21 I'm not certain that is the case... but thats how I use it, and it works ok Oct 27 17:07:44 tkp: nod, same here Oct 27 17:13:25 well still did not do the trick. The lib package generated by sqlite3 is libsqlite3-0, I put sqlite3 in the dependancies and libsqlite3-0 in the RDEPENDS. I get an error saying nothing provides libsqlite3-0 package. However I can ipkg install libsqlite3-0 and it installs after the fact :-/ Oct 27 17:14:29 RDEPENDS = "libsqlite" Oct 27 17:14:54 OE will take care of the shlib renaming Oct 27 17:22:07 * koen heads home Oct 27 17:25:24 ok that gets oe to build sqlite but I still get an error message saying can not find libsqlite becuase sqlite3 actually build libsqlite3-0. Oct 27 17:28:58 bbl Oct 27 17:31:19 ok, putting sqlite3 in the DEPENDS list and then putting libsqlite3-0 in the IPKG_INSTALL list does the trick: IPKG_INSTALL = "${RDEPENDS} libsqlite3-0" Oct 27 17:39:23 I'm trying to modify slugos to use glibc2.5. I used angstrom as a reference but the build says there's no provider for glibc2.5. Which line/file defines that part? Oct 27 17:40:02 I know we've asked similar quesitons already but nobody seems to get it working so I'm trying yet again. Oct 27 17:56:26 VoodooZ: did you do a pull recently? Oct 27 18:07:51 re Oct 27 18:27:13 * chouimat|ibook is bored Oct 27 18:49:01 Gerrath: if 'RDEPENDS = "libsqlite"' doesn't, it's a bug in OE Oct 27 18:52:59 hvontres|poodle, sorry, I was in a meeting... yeah, I do everyday from the nslu2-linux repo to see if there's any changes related. why? Oct 27 18:53:32 koen, it doesn't. I figured it was because sqlite generates an ipkg file called libsqlite3-0, but the package list for sqlite3 has libsqlite listed. Oct 27 18:53:56 evening Oct 27 18:54:17 hrw|tv: koen Hi. Oct 27 18:54:22 Gerrath: you have own application built which need sqlite3 but is not it oe? Oct 27 18:54:26 hey den-ros Oct 27 18:54:30 :) Oct 27 18:54:33 VoodooZ: check to see if there are any glibc-2.5.bb files in packages/glibc Oct 27 18:55:08 There was last time I checked. Oct 27 18:55:12 * VoodooZ is checking... Oct 27 18:55:31 -rw-rw-r-- 1 palm3 palm3 8128 Oct 20 23:27 glibc_2.5.bb Oct 27 18:56:01 Unless it's the other packages? -intermediate, -initial? ?? Oct 27 18:56:08