**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 29 02:59:57 2006 Oct 29 03:49:43 I just tried irssi for the first time and I actually like it. Oct 29 03:50:14 Does it support color though? the default was off maybe? Oct 29 04:14:15 test Oct 29 04:25:32 VoodooZ: it's in color for me Oct 29 04:25:37 VoodooZ: chekc your term setting Oct 29 04:36:07 JustinP: Yes, I did a quick google and the documentation says how Oct 29 04:36:23 It even remembers it. Oct 29 04:36:44 I like the fact that it opens up a new "window" on each /join Oct 29 04:37:14 Any useful commands I should know? Oct 29 05:28:55 VoodooZ: /ignore? ;-) Oct 29 05:29:18 VoodooZ: there are interesting and useful plugins as well, but I can't name any right now Oct 29 05:33:51 sorry. Trying to figure out things. Oct 29 05:34:01 JustinP: does it auto away? Oct 29 05:34:43 VoodooZ: ummm....not that I know of.... Oct 29 05:35:09 ok. I'll read up tommorow. Got to go sleep. it's 2am. ouch. Oct 29 05:35:12 night Oct 29 07:53:47 good morning all Oct 29 08:04:02 hi koen Oct 29 08:07:30 good morning. I have been up since 0630, haveing my 5'th cup of coffee. Oct 29 08:08:55 goxboxlive: hehe! Still building an image for the htc universal? Oct 29 08:10:13 :-) I am allways building an image Oct 29 08:10:28 And they allways get build. Both Opie and gpe Oct 29 08:10:46 goxboxlive: are there any recent progress in the kernel? power management? Oct 29 08:11:39 We have suspend/resume working now. But, the keyboard wouldnt work after resume. The power driver is not safe enough yet to use. Oct 29 08:12:10 The big problem is that there are only one person that make the drivers, that's why it take so time. Oct 29 08:12:49 I hope the problems get fixed when I get mine ;) Oct 29 08:13:07 But the great news is that building images for the device now, is allmost right out of the box, just some small changes. Oct 29 08:13:44 that's good news. Oct 29 08:14:07 yes. When are you getting your device? Oct 29 08:14:42 morning all Oct 29 08:15:03 soon, my colleague waits for a new blackberry and then will give me his universal (he hates it because of all the hangs of WinCE, ...) Oct 29 08:15:11 cyrilRomain: hi Oct 29 08:15:46 goxboxlive: sometimes the phone will not pick up the calls, or the ring tone will not work so he misses lot's of calls!! Oct 29 08:17:35 Yes that's for me 2. I have swithced phone. Only using it as a "wallet" ( have a leather case for it) and as a pda, but as a phone i am using an old ericsson phone. Oct 29 08:18:05 Realy looking forward to have linux control the phone, then i will use it again. Oct 29 08:19:58 too bad the device doesn't have 128Mb of RAM... Oct 29 08:24:23 yes Oct 29 08:25:07 128? Oct 29 08:25:09 1GB! Oct 29 08:25:27 koen: it would suck the battery! Oct 29 08:25:41 or 1Gb + 8000mAh battery Oct 29 08:26:47 koen: I was having troubles because of hostap-modules compiling failed with kernel 2.6.17. Found reason why here: http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2006-July/013587.html Oct 29 08:27:03 Shouldn't hostap-modules be removed from task if using kernel 2.6? Oct 29 08:27:34 only if you use a kernel > 2.6.14 Oct 29 08:27:56 nicolasfr: could you talk to RP/hrw about that? Oct 29 08:28:08 no, just found the reason of the problem 5mins ago Oct 29 08:28:43 For the moment I have put a ASSUME_PROVIDED in my machine.conf (targeting my Tatung webpad) Oct 29 08:33:47 when parsing bitbake files (I updated this morning but have this error since 2 weeks or so), I get few 'ERROR: Exception:bb.MalformedUrl Message:${GPE_SVN}'. Should I change the 'GPE_SVN = "svn://projects.linuxtogo.org/svn/gpe/trunk/base;module=${PN}"' from conf/bitbake.conf ? Oct 29 08:41:44 the one in bitbake.conf works over here Oct 29 08:47:49 hm... I use bitbake 1.6.1 from revision 620, you too ? Oct 29 08:50:12 morning Oct 29 08:50:33 morning all Oct 29 08:57:34 hi Oct 29 09:00:44 I have built the glibc3.5 co-exist with glibc4.1 but it does not work. Oct 29 09:00:50 quote of day ;) Oct 29 09:01:38 hrw: suggest gcc 2.3.5? :) Oct 29 09:01:40 morning all Oct 29 09:01:59 good morning Oct 29 09:02:42 hi hrw, pH5 Oct 29 09:03:55 hrw: (Hi!) I was talking with koen about a problem with hostap-modules with kernel 2.16.17. Is there a way to make a rule so that hostap-modules is not built if kernel > 2.6.14 (use builtin kernel modules instead)? Oct 29 09:04:55 good question Oct 29 09:05:31 RP: any plans on getting access to PN/PV of other packages in recipe? Oct 29 09:07:05 workaround I found is using a ASSUME_PROVIDED+=hostap-modules in my machine/tatung.conf has it is tied with kernel 2.6.17/18, but I guess other packages might need such kind of rules Oct 29 09:07:13 hrw: No, I think its a really bad idea and most problems have another better solution Oct 29 09:08:35 hrw: For instance, hostap-modules should DEPENDS on virtual/kernel <= 2.6.14 Oct 29 09:09:37 nicolasfr: As long as PREFERRED_PROVIDER_hostap-modules = "linux-openzaurus", it should work... Oct 29 09:10:32 RP: iirc we do not have such depends yet... Oct 29 09:10:34 RP: no, it shouldn't Oct 29 09:10:43 RP: not every machines uses linux-oz as a kernel ;) Oct 29 09:10:46 -s Oct 29 09:11:50 koen: Ok, as long as you use a kernel with the right PROVIDES and set PREFERRED_PROVIDER correctly ;-) Oct 29 09:12:09 hrw: Such DEPENDS are planned. Someone just needs to write the code Oct 29 09:13:19 We should get bitbake at least accepting them so we can start to improve the metadata for when bitbake does support it Oct 29 09:13:22 RP: I was thinking about something like 'if (PV_virtual/kernel > 2.6.14) then skippackage' in hostap-modules Oct 29 09:14:13 hrw: I gave that a lot of thought and its a really bad idea. Trust me on this... Oct 29 09:14:20 ok Oct 29 09:14:37 you are bitbake hacker not I Oct 29 09:14:42 hrw: DEPENDS = "virtual/kernel (<= 2.6.14)" does what we need in a much less painful way Oct 29 09:16:51 * RP has finally purged poky images of .debug directories... Oct 29 09:16:59 Geode framebuffer driver in kernel 2.6 is broken. Hopefully vesa fb works fine :) Oct 29 09:17:01 RP: cool Oct 29 09:17:06 RP: using insane.bbclass? Oct 29 09:17:43 koen: find -wholename */.debug | grep -v dbg | grep install in WORKDIR Oct 29 09:17:56 koen: Anything listed is buggy packaging Oct 29 09:18:01 right, that works as well :) Oct 29 09:18:30 koen: I also have a list of "not installed" files to deal with... Oct 29 09:18:54 RP: I started mentioning the actual poky revisions that got merged, is that a good idea? Oct 29 09:19:19 koen: I guess if someone wanted to track something back into poky it would be Oct 29 09:19:49 I don't know if anyone will ever want to do that but if they do,,, :) Oct 29 09:21:43 koen: good idea Oct 29 09:22:40 I have a compile error on rxvt-unicode (any version) with TARGET_ARCH=486 with some #error defined in .h file: http://pastebin.ca/227528 . Anyone has seen this alreday? Oct 29 09:23:10 nicolasfr: yes, that's why I removed it locally from gpe-image Oct 29 09:23:34 koen: remove rxvt? Oct 29 09:23:51 I commented it out in the task file Oct 29 09:24:00 I had hoped the new rxvt would have fixed it Oct 29 09:24:25 ok. Do you have an idea of what "#error set intp_t" should do in a .h file? Oct 29 09:24:38 "#error" ? Oct 29 09:25:39 its good to have 0.01 pln/minute for cellphone Oct 29 09:26:44 10:48 hrw@home:devel$ . setup-oe.sh build/umbaumba/ Oct 29 09:27:31 nicolasfr: it is used to trigger an error on compilation when for example a symbol has been defined but should not Oct 29 09:28:00 cyrilRomain: ok! just understood while reading this: http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/100/10073.html Oct 29 09:28:08 RP: I'll take care of merging rev 831 Oct 29 09:28:58 nicolasfr: a better explanation here: http://docs.freebsd.org/info/cpp/cpp.info._error_Directive.html Oct 29 09:32:19 conf/distro/umbaumba-17.3.conf created Oct 29 09:33:37 hrw: a new distro based on "Charlie and the chocolate factory" ? :) Oct 29 09:34:33 nicolasfr: no Oct 29 09:34:51 nicolasfr: its my own distro for my devices. Oct 29 09:34:58 mtn: warning: rename target conflict: nodes 2147483648, 18097, both want parent 8, name distro-packages Oct 29 09:35:01 mtn: warning: resolve non-content conflicts and then try again. Oct 29 09:35:01 ~lart monootne Oct 29 09:35:01 * ibot hooks into a hydrant and hoses monootne down Oct 29 09:37:21 would any OE member be interested by a x86 kind of tablet / webpad? Oct 29 09:38:21 tatung 800x600 webpad? Oct 29 09:38:32 no other kind Transmeta cpu (http://progear.sourceforge.net/ and google for details). It's collecting dust... Oct 29 09:39:00 I can donate to OE team if someone wants to pay for shipping Oct 29 09:44:28 koen: ok, hopefully a diff from poky will roughly apply to OE Oct 29 09:45:06 RP: you forgot to bump PRs :( Oct 29 09:47:28 koen: true :-(. Was too busy trying to cover them all. The diff with OE probably would have failed anyway in that case... Oct 29 09:47:48 and OE actually had a lot of them already fixed Oct 29 09:47:55 26 files changed, 70 insertions(+), 52 deletions(-) Oct 29 09:48:37 koen: I suspected OE might. I really need to try and sync things... Oct 29 09:48:56 nicolasfr: looks interesting Oct 29 09:50:44 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r3fb58b0a... 10/ (27 files in 18 dirs): Oct 29 09:50:44 packages/: various .debug packaging fixes (from Poky) Oct 29 09:50:44 * poky rev 831: 'packages: various .debug packaging fixes' Oct 29 09:53:01 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rb9ffe3b2... 10/ (1 conf/bitbake.conf): Oct 29 09:53:01 bitbake.conf: Fix .debug packaging (from Poky) Oct 29 09:53:01 * poky rev 828: 'bitbake.conf: Fix .debug packaging' Oct 29 10:21:05 "> Oh, and I used to fear that run-time checks for features at Oct 29 10:21:06 > configure-time would be problematic, but I've recently found that Oct 29 10:21:06 > scratchbox magically supports these for embedded development. So I Oct 29 10:21:06 > don't have a problem relying on these and telling users to either Oct 29 10:21:06 > 1. Compile natively. 2. Cross-compile with scratchbox. or 3. Compile Oct 29 10:21:06 > either way and hand-write the config.h settings as appropriate." Oct 29 10:21:12 ~kill carl worth Oct 29 10:21:20 * ibot shoots a super-inverse fluxpositrino gun at carl worth Oct 29 10:21:26 ~lart carl worth Oct 29 10:21:26 * ibot takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking carl worth's head off Oct 29 10:22:02 "There shouldn't be a --enable option for it. Instead, it should run Oct 29 10:22:02 code in configure to detect whether the fast conversion works." Oct 29 10:22:14 ~lart Behdad Esfahbod Oct 29 10:22:15 * ibot slaps Behdad Esfahbod upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh Oct 29 10:22:26 it seems the cairo 'developers' are a bunch of morons Oct 29 10:36:01 Hi! Oct 29 10:36:21 hey psokolovsky Oct 29 10:36:24 koen, Carl Worth - isn't that the same guy who wrote ipkg? Oct 29 10:36:30 psokolovsky: yes Oct 29 10:37:41 koen, oh ;-) I guess that cairo would indeed need some post-release fixing ;-). would be nice to fix ipkg first, at least ;-) Oct 29 10:39:59 koen: a new target for Angstrom :) http://www.geek-fr.com/lib/exe/detail.php/projects:tatung-linux-x11_01.jpg?id=start&cache=cache Oct 29 10:40:30 nicolasfr: cool Oct 29 10:40:47 nicolasfr: iirc mallum fixed the 15 bit color issues in matchbox a while ago Oct 29 10:41:50 koen: does it mean I need a special param to launch matchbox? cause the funky colors are not so useable !! Oct 29 10:42:07 nicolasfr: you'd have to ask mallum or RP Oct 29 10:42:25 ok I'll do Oct 29 10:42:44 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r79d76f97... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): ixp4xx-kernel: Update SVN_REV on 2.6.18, update 2.6.19 to -rc3 Oct 29 10:42:58 exceptions.NameError:name 'linux_module_packages' is not defined while evaluating: Oct 29 10:42:58 Oct 29 10:43:06 whats my problem ?? Oct 29 10:43:15 a broken machine.conf file ? Oct 29 10:43:41 now I have to dig for the touchscreen. Is there any kernel/hardware guru I could ask help ? Oct 29 10:43:56 koen: There is a patch in poky for it but its not applied to matchbox svn for various reasons Oct 29 10:44:39 rob_w: http://www.openembedded.org/bonsai/view/rev/19329/ Oct 29 10:44:50 rob_w: but that function shouldn't be needed anymore Oct 29 10:45:52 oh , i will check .. Oct 29 10:46:14 btw would be scary to give me some sort of oe access .. Oct 29 10:46:17 RP: you are talking about the 15bit color problem? Oct 29 10:46:35 nicolasfr: yes Oct 29 10:47:12 ok, I have a look right now Oct 29 10:47:17 nicolasfr: Although that patch was for a problem with 16bit BGR being treated as 16bit RGB Oct 29 10:47:34 I don't think I've ever used 15bit hardware... Oct 29 10:48:29 RP: buy an SGI :) Oct 29 10:57:45 http://www.geek-fr.com/lib/exe/detail.php/projects:tatung-linux-x11_02.jpg?id=blog%3Ax11_on_the_tatung_webpad&cache=cache Oct 29 10:58:13 stupid me I was booting with vga=771 (8bits) instead of vga=788 (16bits) Oct 29 10:59:11 nicolasfr: another problem solved :) Oct 29 11:07:21 koen: Yeah! thanks for the help. Check this one for the Gallery of "Angstromized devices": http://www.geek-fr.com/lib/exe/detail.php/projects:tatung-linux-x11_03.jpg?id=blog%3Ax11_on_the_tatung_webpad&cache=cache Oct 29 11:07:40 :) Oct 29 11:11:37 hmm Oct 29 11:12:36 when does .fr change from CEST to CET? :) Oct 29 11:12:53 .nl changed last night :) Oct 29 11:12:59 so did .no ;) Oct 29 11:13:51 just wondering, since the tatung webpad is using CEST :-P Oct 29 11:14:31 ahah, tatung has not time adjusted Oct 29 11:15:02 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r4d5affce... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom: fix FEED URIs Oct 29 11:23:31 koen, Saw my cc: about busybox's "ps" stuff? dod you think it applies to us? I didn't check yet. Oct 29 11:31:11 Hello Oct 29 11:38:22 hey sirfred Oct 29 11:38:37 psokolovsky: I didn't quite get the problem and solution mentioned in that mail Oct 29 11:39:42 koen, well, "ps" in busybox 1.2.1 suddenly stopped to accept any command-line options. Oct 29 11:40:53 koen, some init.d scripts in OE.dev/angstrom were failing as they were using ps options, so ps was upade-alternative'd to procps's one. (maybe there was more causes to do that) Oct 29 11:40:53 Do you know if mplayer audio is known to work on a Husky with the alsa audio output? Oct 29 11:42:07 right Oct 29 11:42:14 as usual busybox is broken Oct 29 11:42:53 and slightly related, several apps to 'ps -e', which requires a proper ps Oct 29 11:42:55 koen, so, some guy suggested to check busybox's config option, noted in that email Oct 29 11:45:19 CONFIG_UNBREAK_BUSYBOX isn't in 1.2.x Oct 29 11:45:19 sirfred: I think mplayer's alsa support is broken Oct 29 11:45:31 RP: Hello! Oct 29 11:45:40 (I know Liam said ASoC and the kernel was not at fault) Oct 29 11:45:47 hi sirfred! Oct 29 11:46:17 RP: Thanks. Perhaps trying with the oss driver. Oct 29 11:47:08 RP: I'm just starting to test a mplayer video driver based in libw100. Oct 29 11:47:35 umh, I can't find where the dependency for the Zaurus touchscreen is defined in the recipes (task-*? image-*?) Oct 29 11:47:41 RP: Implementing rotation and hardware scaling. Oct 29 11:48:29 sirfred: Sounds good :) Oct 29 11:48:51 nicolasfr: Which dependency? Oct 29 11:49:09 for the touchscreen driver under xorg Oct 29 11:49:51 nicolasfr: You mean the calibrate extension? Oct 29 11:50:23 RP: in fact I am looking at how the touchscreen driver is implemented for the zaurus Oct 29 11:50:47 aren't there some sort of xf86-input-zaurustouchscreen driver? Oct 29 11:51:01 nicolasfr: tslib Oct 29 11:51:02 nicolasfr: No, it uses tslib Oct 29 11:52:04 oh I have to look at what is tslib exactly Oct 29 11:53:26 Hmm. 344kb of diff between poky and OE :-/ Oct 29 11:53:45 Most of it needing to go into Poky as well... Oct 29 11:58:02 My .dev staging area is from April, that must be some kind of record given how much we've changed since then... Oct 29 11:58:54 when doing a cat /dev/ttyS0 I can see raw input of the touchscreen. Is it possible to use tslib / what would I need to do to use tslib with my touchscreen? Oct 29 11:59:18 RP: Did you had time to test my w100 kernel driver patch? Oct 29 11:59:34 03coredump 07org.oe.oz354x * r096d1985... 10/ (1 packages/altboot/altboot_1.1.0-wip.bb): Oct 29 11:59:34 altboot: Update to -wip-20061029 Oct 29 11:59:34 - Added a work-around for the broken OUT_TTY assignment on Collie Oct 29 11:59:40 sirfred: No, its sitting in my inbox with a load of other patches :-( Oct 29 11:59:42 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * racf42803... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Oct 29 11:59:42 altboot: Update to -wip-20061029 Oct 29 11:59:42 - Added a work-around for the broken OUT_TTY assignment on Collie Oct 29 12:00:11 RP: Well, I have to say that probably it will suffer of collisions with accel from X or opie. Oct 29 12:00:48 nicolasfr: That would depend whether tslib has a module supporting that kind of touchscreen input. Most 2.6 kernels have a kernel driver which passes the data via the input system (/dev/input/eventX) Oct 29 12:01:00 sirfred: do you mean before or after the patch? Oct 29 12:01:02 RP: I've changed the driver to expose a sysfs file called accel, to be able to enable/disable aceleration. Oct 29 12:01:06 RP: I mean after and before. Oct 29 12:01:15 RP: thanks, I will dig that Oct 29 12:01:26 RP: Well, in the practise, as the framebuffer is not active while working on X, there should be no problem. Oct 29 12:01:45 RP: But as I'm making tests while the framebuffer is also drawing (the cursor) I' ve runned into some hangs. Oct 29 12:01:53 sirfred: right. I guess some option to enable/disable the accel would be best Oct 29 12:02:03 RP: I can send you an updated patch. Oct 29 12:02:16 sirfred: yes please :) Oct 29 12:02:31 RP: But I think that the best way to go should be a way to lock the access. Something like a futex or so. Oct 29 12:03:21 sirfred: I should be having some holiday time soon and whilst I should really spend it away from a computer, I might get some of the patch queue looked at ;-) Oct 29 12:03:50 RP: Enjoy. :) Oct 29 12:04:06 sirfred: Personally, I suspect if you have something like X wanting to use the accel, it would be best to just disable the kernel code Oct 29 12:04:19 RP: Yes, that's a way to do it. Oct 29 12:05:31 sirfred: I'll give it some thought... Oct 29 12:05:36 RP: But if for example you want to run mplayer, using w100 acceleration directly instead of through X... Oct 29 12:06:24 sirfred: mplayer from a console with X on another VC? Oct 29 12:06:54 sirfred: I was just thinking about having X give up control of the accel upon a VC switch Oct 29 12:07:55 RP: That should work. Oct 29 12:08:43 RP: I have to leave now. Thanks for your comments. Oct 29 12:11:00 sirfred: np, bfn Oct 29 12:35:52 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * re2bb27b2... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): pcmciautils: add 014 Oct 29 12:35:54 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * ree13a485... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-base.bb): task-base: include irnet module only if distro feature ppp Oct 29 12:39:55 hey Oct 29 12:40:57 hi zecke Oct 29 12:41:20 MACHINE = "spitz" Oct 29 12:41:20 DISTRO = "umbaumba-17.3" Oct 29 12:41:20 DISTRO_VERSION = "17.3" Oct 29 12:43:07 hi zecke Oct 29 12:43:13 zecke: Would you agree it would be a good idea to patch bitbake trunk and bitbake 1.6 to at least accept versions in DEPENDS (even if we just ignore them for now) ? Oct 29 12:43:20 hi hrw Oct 29 12:47:37 CIA ignore us again? Oct 29 12:47:57 task-base: include irnet module only if distro feature ppp Oct 29 12:48:01 pcmciautils: add 014 Oct 29 12:50:29 more will follow if will build Oct 29 12:52:09 bug in bitbake I found Oct 29 12:52:28 or maybe not quite a bug.. Oct 29 12:52:52 it would be good to have 'addtask do_sanity_check before parsing_recipes" Oct 29 12:53:33 after 7 minutes of parsing I got info that DISTRO is wrong.. so I fixed it. now I need to check 7 minutes for parsing. Oct 29 13:02:58 whats umbaumba? Oct 29 13:04:59 hrw: We really need a hook for that, I agree Oct 29 13:06:33 RP: hmm Oct 29 13:06:38 RP: it can't hurt :} Oct 29 13:06:51 I know that it will but let us ignore this :) Oct 29 13:08:01 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r48a764df... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): asterisk: Add missing patches Oct 29 13:08:01 mithro: finally it is codename of my private distro Oct 29 13:08:10 mean anything? Oct 29 13:08:39 no Oct 29 13:09:07 bitbake 1.6 is so sloooowwww :) Oct 29 13:12:58 RP: which trunk release is safe to use? Oct 29 13:13:28 hrw: The latest should be. If its not, I'd like to know about it :) Oct 29 13:13:40 and how to configure trunk to work like 1.6 (as one thread) Oct 29 13:13:46 NOTE: package gnutls-1.4.4-r1: task do_configure: completed Oct 29 13:13:49 finally Oct 29 13:14:13 hrw: It runs as one thread as default. If you mean only one package at a time, nobody has implemented that yet Oct 29 13:14:24 03rpurdie * r621 10bitbake/lib/bb/cache.py: cache.py: Allow version field in DEPENDS (ignored for now) Oct 29 13:14:30 ok Oct 29 13:15:14 hrw: I take patches ;-) Oct 29 13:16:17 I know Oct 29 13:17:36 hmm Oct 29 13:17:51 I'm getting this error: ERROR: Nothing provides dependency libc6-dev Oct 29 13:18:02 Isn't there a libc6-dev? Oct 29 13:21:42 NOTE: package gnutls-1.4.4-r0: task do_build: completed Oct 29 13:28:43 libgcrypt: added 1.2.3 Oct 29 13:28:51 gnutls: added 1.4.4 Oct 29 13:29:30 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rfaa17421... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): gnutls: added 1.4.4 Oct 29 13:29:53 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r72528d9d... 10/ (1 packages/libgcrypt/libgcrypt_1.2.3.bb): libgcrypt: added 1.2.3 Oct 29 13:32:13 bleh Oct 29 13:32:20 *recompile gnutls* Oct 29 13:32:37 RP: what do you think about adding skippackage based on distro/machine features? Oct 29 13:32:41 I *just* finished compiling gnutls ;) Oct 29 13:32:51 NAiL: me too Oct 29 13:33:06 after 4 compilation it finally built Oct 29 13:34:10 RP: for example: if(distro_features contain pci) then add madwifi into wpa-supplicant Oct 29 13:52:23 someone want to test wpa-supplicant 0.5.5? Oct 29 14:05:37 DEPENDS = "gnutls ${@base_contains("DISTRO_FEATURES", "pci", "madwifi", "",d)}" Oct 29 14:05:45 RP: will it works? Oct 29 14:06:04 or with DEPENDS += Oct 29 14:07:11 it works ;D Oct 29 14:07:58 sent another rfc. Oct 29 14:13:29 hrw: DISTRO_FEATURES? Oct 29 14:13:31 isn't pci a machine feature? Oct 29 14:14:16 morning Oct 29 14:14:41 koen: distro can choose to not support it Oct 29 14:16:11 Why isent 'export' aplied in the new busybox (1.2.2). setenv isent aplied either. Oct 29 14:24:18 goxboxlive: 2 possibilities Oct 29 14:24:28 1. we do not enable/disable something in config Oct 29 14:24:34 2. busybox is broken Oct 29 14:26:16 * koen opts for '2' Oct 29 14:27:05 as always ;) Oct 29 14:27:20 since I didn't change the defconfig Oct 29 14:29:43 hey mickeyl Oct 29 14:29:59 morning guys Oct 29 14:30:45 hmm. any idea whether it's possible to save a svn password somewhere? Oct 29 14:30:53 (like ssh-agent does for ssh connections) Oct 29 14:30:54 hi mickeyl Oct 29 14:31:07 mickeyl: use svn+ssh? Oct 29 14:31:30 ah, of course. good idea. Oct 29 14:31:31 * mickeyl tries Oct 29 14:35:00 darn, that doesn't work Oct 29 14:35:10 i guess that needs a different server configuration than http? Oct 29 14:36:10 no idea Oct 29 14:36:59 this is the last thing holding me back from dumping cvs for anything Oct 29 14:37:03 *shrug* Oct 29 14:38:08 mickeyl: migrate to monotone Oct 29 14:38:13 mickeyl: no, not really Oct 29 14:38:22 mickeyl: what is your server configuration anyway? Oct 29 14:38:37 zecke: no idea frankly, it's not mine :/ Oct 29 14:38:46 * mickeyl mumbles something about clients.... Oct 29 14:39:37 * hrw looks how umbaumba 17.3 build is progressing.. Oct 29 14:41:07 mickeyl: I sorted out the angstrom feeds and wrote some more maintenance scripts Oct 29 14:41:22 mickeyl: we just need some php app to allow 3rd party uploads Oct 29 14:41:42 koen: good work, thanks Oct 29 14:41:49 do we know any php gurus? Oct 29 14:42:00 on oesf I only 3 times used umbaumba word.. Oct 29 14:42:16 mickeyl: php is the only language which koen know so he is best probably Oct 29 14:43:04 PHP + koen == better than frikandel Oct 29 14:44:57 later all Oct 29 14:48:16 online travel planners work better when you are actually online :) Oct 29 14:48:21 ~note to self: later == 3 minutes in .nl Oct 29 14:48:31 ;D Oct 29 14:49:23 NOTE: the following files were installed but not shipped in any package: Oct 29 14:49:24 NOTE: /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/.debug/libqpe.so.1.5.0 Oct 29 14:49:56 note to self: never decide to start making coffee ... while feeding the cat ... your feet will great appreciate this Oct 29 14:52:27 CIA-4: libqpe: create -dev/-dbg packages - based on code from .oz354x Oct 29 14:52:49 hrw: re. adding qmake-non-native... i tried... it's _very_ hard Oct 29 14:53:20 i will keep working on that, but don't expect it anytime soon Oct 29 14:53:21 mickeyl: NP hard? Oct 29 14:53:28 mickeyl: ok Oct 29 14:53:32 zecke: no, probably just P, but hard enough :D Oct 29 14:53:33 mickeyl: ncurses? Oct 29 14:54:05 Hmm two more days and Qtopia celebrates one year of no GPL release :) Oct 29 14:54:20 koen: *nod* I'm doing 10 to 12 hours Gtk+ programming at the moment... it's very hard to get a timeframe :/ Oct 29 14:54:23 zecke: two more days and mickeyl moves opie to obsolete Oct 29 14:54:36 moving opie has been cancelled Oct 29 14:54:40 we have a new maintainer Oct 29 14:54:52 psokolo* volunteered? Oct 29 14:54:57 psokolovsky Oct 29 14:55:14 he seems committed Oct 29 14:55:25 I think the same Oct 29 14:55:34 so i think we should give him until January to see whether this manifests in commits Oct 29 14:55:43 if not, we can move it then Oct 29 14:55:46 how does that sound? Oct 29 14:56:13 good for me Oct 29 14:57:50 good news Oct 29 14:58:47 Packaged contents of qte-mt-dbg into /home/hrw/devel/build/umbaumba/tmp/deploy/ipk/qte-mt-dbg_2.3.10-r3_spitz.ipk Oct 29 14:58:50 Packaged contents of qte-mt-dev into /home/hrw/devel/build/umbaumba/tmp/deploy/ipk/qte-mt-dev_2.3.10-r3_spitz.ipk Oct 29 14:59:54 question... -dev *-dbg should be same arch as PN or can be TARGET_ARCH? Oct 29 15:00:19 hrw: that depends Oct 29 15:00:33 on? Oct 29 15:00:36 hrw: e.g. if someone installs a config.h or such Oct 29 15:00:51 hrw: this can depend on the TARGET_ARCH Oct 29 15:01:02 thats yes Oct 29 15:03:18 how does it looks with dbg ones? Oct 29 15:03:49 same as the main packages Oct 29 15:04:03 ok Oct 29 15:04:11 thx Oct 29 15:10:06 CIA-4: qte: create -dev/-dbg packages - based on code from .oz354x Oct 29 15:13:20 zecke|food: what do you think about having insane.bbclass reporting to tinderbox? Oct 29 15:13:58 koen: but only if tinderclient is inherited Oct 29 15:14:08 hrw: yes Oct 29 15:24:09 what is the repository org.openembedded.packaged-staging ??? Oct 29 15:24:20 gremlin[it]: check the README of this repository Oct 29 15:24:24 check the README Oct 29 15:24:28 hehe Oct 29 15:24:44 hihi :) Oct 29 15:24:46 koen: maybe do a DONT_README_ASK_IN_OE Oct 29 15:24:59 that's an option as well Oct 29 15:25:34 http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/28/fcc-confirms-new-nokia-internet-tablet-device/ ?? Oct 29 15:25:46 nokia 330? Oct 29 15:26:20 zecke|food: old news :) Oct 29 15:26:22 fsck.. Ani laptop was connected to AC. now it complain about low battery... Oct 29 15:26:38 mhhh where's the README ... i'm browsing it via the oe.org/filebrowser ... Oct 29 15:26:40 zecke|food: we already had fun with the exif in #maemo :) Oct 29 15:26:48 ah Oct 29 15:27:58 I need more AC outlets.. Oct 29 15:28:36 hrw: less toys :) Oct 29 15:29:14 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rdf4a4af6... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): libqpe: create -dev/-dbg packages - based on code from .oz354x Oct 29 15:29:36 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rdf4a4af6... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): libqpe: create -dev/-dbg packages - based on code from .oz354x Oct 29 15:30:00 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rdf4a4af6... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): libqpe: create -dev/-dbg packages - based on code from .oz354x Oct 29 15:30:06 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r6c93a8de... 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): qte: create -dev/-dbg packages - based on code from .oz354x Oct 29 15:30:45 koen: there is no such thing as "less toys" ;) Oct 29 15:31:14 desktop machine, crt monitor, subwoofer, cable modem, wrt54gs, zaurus charger, 2nd zaurus changer Oct 29 15:31:28 koen: now added laptop instead of 2nd charger Oct 29 15:31:45 that reminds me Oct 29 15:31:59 * koen looks aren't for a POE adaptor Oct 29 15:33:00 around* Oct 29 15:35:15 * chouimat pets his rackmount toys :) Oct 29 15:36:15 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r6d8ba6bb... 10/ (1 packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb): slugos-packages: Remove pwc from feed as it doesn't build Oct 29 15:42:29 time to go get some pizza or something Oct 29 15:44:03 cu Oct 29 15:57:38 * gremlin[it] would like a pizza tooooooooo Oct 29 16:13:41 seems oe cant find my hosts dbus/shared.h .. although i can find it in /usr/local Oct 29 16:14:06 rob_w: yes? Oct 29 16:14:12 rob_w: a) why does it need the host one? Oct 29 16:14:21 rob_w: us /usr/lib/pkgconfig in your PKG_CONFIG_PATH? Oct 29 16:14:38 zecke|food, will check that thanks Oct 29 16:35:06 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r3801da89... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): watchdog: Remove deprecated patch Oct 29 16:55:45 psokolovsky: congratulation and good luck for maintaining Oct 29 17:04:29 hmm Oct 29 17:04:52 is there a non-huge syntax highlighting editor available for gnome? Oct 29 17:05:34 gedit? gvim? gemacs? Oct 29 17:08:26 hm Oct 29 17:08:38 gedit is supposed to highlight. But it doesn't work. Oct 29 17:09:20 aha Oct 29 17:09:20 nm Oct 29 17:09:26 * NAiL is just n00b :-P Oct 29 17:09:34 thanks ;) Oct 29 17:18:04 re Oct 29 17:20:00 zecke|food, Thanks Holger! Hope my motives were sound and understood. Oct 29 17:21:08 psokolovsky: bluepin req linking with g++ instead of gcc Oct 29 17:21:33 | ccache arm-linux-gcc -march=armv5te -mtune=xscale -L/home/hrw/devel/build/umbaumba/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib -Wl,-rpath-link,/home/hrw/devel/build/umbaumba/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib -Wl,-O1 -Wl,-rpath-link,/home/hrw/devel/build/umbaumba/tmp/staging/arm-linux/qt2/lib -o bluepin main.o pindlg.o pindlgbase.o moc_pindlg.o moc_pindlgbase.o -L/home/hrw/devel/build/umbaumba/tmp/staging/arm-linux/qt2/lib -lqpe -lsupc++ -lqpe -lqte-mt -lpthread Oct 29 17:21:39 | /home/hrw/devel/build/umbaumba/tmp/staging/arm-linux/qt2/lib/libqte-mt.so: undefined reference to `vtable for __cxxabiv1::__si_class_type_info' Oct 29 17:21:50 -fno-rtti Oct 29 17:22:12 zecke|food: or g++ but good to know. thx Oct 29 17:22:41 *type_info* == mix of -frtti and -fno-rtti Oct 29 17:24:23 * chouimat is reading an email from the other guys working on the same contract and he wonders if he should cry or laugh Oct 29 17:25:14 hrw:Are you building some opie stuff? Oct 29 17:27:10 goxboxlive: opie-image for spitz/umbaumba Oct 29 17:27:54 hmm.. all opie packages contain debug infos.. Oct 29 17:28:03 ok, i am trying to build meta-opie-all now. So far no cry :-) . The only bug is some missing sources i have to grab other places. Oct 29 17:44:38 psokolovsky: opie-rdesktop is another failed Oct 29 17:45:38 hrw, thanks ;-) I'm not yet nominated maintainer, but already get bugreports. Nope, I'm not going to be scared ;-) Oct 29 17:55:33 psokolovsky: lucky you :) Oct 29 18:01:35 psokolovsky: one of things which need changing is fixing opie stuff to proper package *-dbg stuf Oct 29 18:01:52 hrw, yeah, I got that Oct 29 18:16:30 03rpurdie 07bitbake-1.6 * r622 10/bin/bitbake: bitbake-1.6: Allow version field in DEPENDS (ignored for now) Oct 29 18:20:19 opie-qcop also need rtti Oct 29 18:21:36 After the next bitbake 1.6 is released, we should be able to start adding versioned DEPENDS, even if bitbake doesn't use them yet... Oct 29 18:22:16 hrw: why does it need rtti? Oct 29 18:23:00 zecke|food: rttifix I mean Oct 29 18:23:11 opie-alarm is next one Oct 29 18:23:25 hrw: hmm then your opie.bbclass/qmake.bbclass is broken Oct 29 18:23:31 hrw: or just your QtE compile Oct 29 18:23:59 zecke|food: I use plain .dev basically Oct 29 18:24:35 hrw: I only judge by the smell :) Oct 29 18:25:00 'punk is not dead. It just smell like that' Oct 29 18:25:26 well punk is not dead :) If we would have paid for the entry... :) Oct 29 18:25:40 zecke|food: ;D Oct 29 18:25:54 hrw: Punk is not dead, it is non-free :) Oct 29 18:31:11 punk? Oct 29 18:32:52 psokolovsky: other then that rtti things opie-image is still buildable with gcc344 Oct 29 18:34:55 hrw, in OE.dev, right? Oct 29 18:36:58 yes Oct 29 18:37:19 ok Oct 29 18:52:40 http://www.msfirefox.com/ Oct 29 18:52:41 ;D Oct 29 18:53:21 got a problem compiling linux-handhelds-2.6.17-hh2 Oct 29 18:53:42 >> cp: cannot stat `/media/hd1/oe/org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/linux-handhelds-2.6/defconfig': No such file or directory Oct 29 18:54:18 seem as SRC_URI file://defconfig isnt present (or correct) ... Oct 29 18:55:45 <_law_|iBook> hi all Oct 29 19:18:33 gremlin[it]: linux-handhelds-2.6/$MACHINE/defconfig is missing for your machine. Oct 29 19:18:50 ah ... ok ... Oct 29 19:19:03 thanks pH5 ... Oct 29 19:20:28 * chouimat is bored ... Oct 29 19:31:38 pH5 , in cvs as defconfig is taken the one present into the kernel source ... why not happen with versioned kernel ? Oct 29 19:34:02 gremlin[it]: I think this is related to the switch from handhelds-sa to linux-handhelds. handhelds-pxa did it this way for some time already. Oct 29 19:34:55 pH5, gremlin[it]: Note that I did some refactoring lately for hh.org defconfigs. 2.6.16 are live in linux-handhelds-2.6-2.6.16. And ones for "HEAD" live in linux-handhelds-2.6. I updated to 2.6.17 and committed there only defconfigs for few machines, need your help to fill it in. Oct 29 19:34:59 mhh ok ... so when i send a patch to the kernel i also have to send to oe? right ? Oct 29 19:36:32 gremlin_it, Ideal devel situation: you use same defconfig for hh.org CVS and OE so it was clear when to update one in OE ;-) Otherwise yes, please send pacthes for OE too. Oct 29 19:36:56 pH5, gremlin_it: we really should consider how to may defconfig stuff more maintainable Oct 29 19:37:00 afk Oct 29 19:39:36 psokolovsky_, my opinion is defconfig management can be ok as is now, but adding a fallback to what is inside the kernel source when nothing is defined :) Oct 29 19:40:04 gremlin_it: all OE kernels have defconfigs in OE Oct 29 19:41:54 hrw i know and is correct ... :) Oct 29 19:43:00 RP: can you move COMBINED_FEATURES somewhere outside of task-base? Oct 29 19:43:50 RP: it can be used in opie-image and meta-opie Oct 29 19:43:56 s/meta/task Oct 29 19:52:36 psokolovsky_: do you want task-opie/opie-image moved to task-base way? Oct 29 19:52:37 morning Oct 29 19:52:41 hi XorA Oct 29 19:54:12 re Oct 29 19:54:56 qm Kun Oct 29 19:54:59 * XorA needs a new router Oct 29 19:55:05 come server Oct 29 19:57:02 small arm nas devices seem to be rare in uk Oct 29 19:57:19 and ones supported by linux even rarer Oct 29 19:58:01 XorA: even nslu2? Oct 29 19:58:30 umbaumba 17.3 opie-image built. Oct 29 19:59:04 hrw: yeah its not common, ill have to search beyond normal suppliers I use Oct 29 19:59:22 hrw: though I had hoped for something with internal hd Oct 29 19:59:36 XorA: thecus n2100 Oct 29 20:01:32 koen: we support that in oe? Oct 29 20:01:47 XorA: not yet, but people are running debian on it Oct 29 20:02:00 XorA: and it takes DIMMs :) Oct 29 20:02:06 XorA: see http://www.cyrius.com/journal/debian/gcc-4.2-arm or ask suihkulokki Oct 29 20:06:32 koen: cool, i am looking now Oct 29 20:08:16 300-400 eur without discs Oct 29 20:08:57 hrw, perhaps, yes. I yet should to get the full idea what that would mean. If that would mean that if machine doesn't define taht it has sound, the OPIE (and GPE) apps related to sound doesn't get built, then yes, that's how treat what MACHINE_FEATURE's handling should be extended to eventually... Oct 29 20:09:41 psokolovsky_: I have task-opie and opie-image switched to task-base behaviour - but they duplicate some code Oct 29 20:10:09 gremlin[it]NCIS, yes, as hrw pointed, that won't do. OE wants to be sure that kernels are built with a known configuration, so using (random from OE's point of view) configs from outside won't do. Oct 29 20:10:11 hrw: take a look at options of darwinports :) Oct 29 20:10:30 hrw, I guess, that's good Oct 29 20:11:27 XorA: thecus is a very friendly vendor, they've sent lennert every document he asked for Oct 29 20:11:36 suihkulokki: cool Oct 29 20:11:46 suihkulokki: just tracking down uk prices Oct 29 20:12:14 suihkulokki: looks just like what i need though Oct 29 20:13:49 XorA: and lennert is learning OE, so support shouldn't be too hard :) Oct 29 20:14:17 XorA: the main minus is noisy fan. Oct 29 20:14:23 zecke|food: hopefully none of my current and future machines does not need osx Oct 29 20:15:02 hrw: just take a look at options by reading the documentation Oct 29 20:15:14 hrw: something more sane and managable than USE flags of gentoo Oct 29 20:16:19 suihkulokki: it will be in a noisy room anyway Oct 29 20:33:42 * XorA needs a decent WAP Oct 29 20:36:43 * zecke|food needs a haircut :} Oct 29 20:36:56 * koen as well Oct 29 20:37:45 I need shave Oct 29 20:37:52 hehe Oct 29 20:38:30 hrw: linuxworld proved gurus dont shave Oct 29 20:39:01 XorA: sure but what about super-gurus like koen and me? Oct 29 20:41:17 * cyrilRomain imagine the photos of the next OEDEM ... ;) Oct 29 20:41:34 http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Gomunicator Oct 29 20:41:35 nifty Oct 29 20:42:47 XorA: those gurus does not have girlfriends Oct 29 20:43:16 hrw: thanks that hurts :) Oct 29 20:43:46 ggilbert: am I right that it is unlikely we see bugzilla 2.22 on bugs.oe.org soon? Oct 29 20:43:55 do we want 2.22? Oct 29 20:44:27 ggilbert: I would like to have xmlrpc.cgi Oct 29 20:44:35 ggilbert: I don't know if I will need it though Oct 29 20:46:20 I don't have any reason not to upgrade Oct 29 20:46:26 I'll do it sometime this week Oct 29 20:46:40 ggilbert: ah I thought it was just a stock debian/foo installation :) Oct 29 20:46:52 nope Oct 29 20:47:52 bugzilla is reasonably painless Oct 29 20:48:24 ggilbert: will you fix theme finally? Oct 29 20:48:33 What is the theme problem? Oct 29 20:48:52 let me check again Oct 29 20:48:57 email me Oct 29 20:49:06 Oct 29 20:49:50 hrw: What site here talking about? Oct 29 20:49:57 den-ros: bugs.oe Oct 29 20:49:59 poking me in irc is usually a good way to get me to forget in 20 minutes Oct 29 20:50:14 ggilbert: treke at treke? Oct 29 20:50:19 greg Oct 29 20:50:21 ok Oct 29 20:50:28 I don't think treke is a configured alias Oct 29 20:51:11 ggilbert: sent Oct 29 20:52:01 hrw: We really need to give DISTRO_FEATURES some kind of sane defaults if we're to start using it as heavily as you're suggesting... Oct 29 20:53:11 hrw: I guess we need a class if other places want access to COMBINED_FEATURES... Oct 29 20:53:37 Please guys, take a look at Macports 'options' :) Oct 29 20:53:49 zecke|food: maybe in ~2 weeks Oct 29 20:54:02 zecke|food: and I still like fink better Oct 29 20:54:05 zecke|food: darwinports.com docs? Oct 29 20:54:12 * koen is too dumb for darwinports Oct 29 20:54:17 macports.org -> old ... Oct 29 20:54:42 koen: me too, and everything that needs keyboard input is heavily broken on macports (like mc) Oct 29 20:54:49 opendarwin -> darwinports -> macports Oct 29 20:55:21 well OpenDarwin is dead :) Oct 29 20:55:58 zecke|food: by 'options' you mean 'variants'? Oct 29 20:56:11 'port install php5 +apache2 +mysql' way? Oct 29 20:57:03 yes, variants :} Oct 29 20:57:13 and the syntax (similiar to our overrides) Oct 29 20:57:23 what we need to avoid is the useflags mess of gentoo :} Oct 29 20:57:35 we need something usable Oct 29 20:57:38 and managable Oct 29 20:57:55 and non-1337 Oct 29 20:57:58 hrw: fixed Oct 29 20:58:19 do_configure() { \n...} \n do_configure() pci {\n....}? Oct 29 20:58:23 ggilbert: gracias Oct 29 20:58:57 finally gecko and konq will not show 'open embedded' tooltip over whole page Oct 29 20:59:05 zecke|food: what do you mean by 'useflags mess' ? Oct 29 20:59:13 'This page is not Valid HTML 4.01 Transitional! '( Oct 29 21:00:22 zecke|food: too many flags to manage ? Oct 29 21:04:44 cyrilRomain: yes, way too many useflags, no process to make sure the semantics of them are the same :) Oct 29 21:06:04 cyrilRomain: openssl or not, gnutls or openssl or none, pci/wifi/bt/usbgadget/usbhost/irda/ppp/apm support, kernel 2.4/2.6 Oct 29 21:08:01 hrw: I start to be a BOFH again :) Oct 29 21:08:01 hrw: and I think he is on familiar, but he has not said so... Oct 29 21:08:17 sure Oct 29 21:08:18 well it's all about choice... but I agree there could be less use flag and unless you set use flags per application, it is quite difficult to control the set of use flags used Oct 29 21:08:34 cyrilRomain: you just need to make sure the flags work Oct 29 21:08:46 cyrilRomain: and you need to make sure that they are managable :) Oct 29 21:09:17 zecke|food: upgraded Oct 29 21:09:21 ggilbert: you rock! Oct 29 21:09:33 seems to be ok Oct 29 21:09:56 ggilbert: could you check if you have a xmlrpc.cgi somewhere? Oct 29 21:11:19 nope Oct 29 21:12:15 looking about Oct 29 21:12:17 hmm Oct 29 21:12:24 * zecke|food downloads bugzilla Oct 29 21:12:32 it might be an addon Oct 29 21:13:07 ah, xml.cgi :) Oct 29 21:14:11 hmm, I thought that had been there for a while Oct 29 21:15:02 oh :) Oct 29 21:15:15 I might have mixed it with the GNOME bugzilla Oct 29 21:15:46 ha Oct 29 21:15:57 yeah, it looks like it might be something redhat built as an addon Oct 29 21:17:34 if you find the source and it isn't too horrible, I'll set it up Oct 29 21:17:46 http://lxr.mozilla.org/bugzilla/source/xmlrpc.cgi Oct 29 21:18:06 hmm Oct 29 21:18:12 I will research and mail you Oct 29 21:18:46 shit. the only one living admin signed off Oct 29 21:18:55 looks like I need Bugzilla::WebService Oct 29 21:20:08 hrw: heh? Oct 29 21:20:29 zecke|food: koen Oct 29 21:20:41 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=224577 Oct 29 21:20:50 root@home:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# apt-get install openembedded-essential Oct 29 21:21:39 zecke|food: and I need ltg# for it Oct 29 21:21:51 zecke|food: Yeah, it doesn't look like you'll be getting it any time soon Oct 29 21:23:08 I don't know the bugzilla internals enough to consider tracking unstable Oct 29 21:23:21 ~lart my rootfs Oct 29 21:23:22 * ibot installs a bad bootloader on my rootfs and turns my rootfs into a brick Oct 29 21:23:36 have to go and boot into single - cu Oct 29 21:23:37 ggilbert: yeah, xml.cgi will be enough to track it... Oct 29 21:35:24 re Oct 29 21:35:32 ~lart my rootfs again Oct 29 21:35:32 * ibot smacks my rootfs again up side the head with a clue-by-4 Oct 29 21:36:36 ~lart kmail^Wkdepim Oct 29 21:36:37 * ibot hooks into a hydrant and hoses kmail^Wkdepim down Oct 29 21:38:03 n8 Oct 29 21:38:53 hrw: hi. did you get the PM I sent earlier today? Oct 29 21:39:23 nicolasfr: no Oct 29 21:39:27 ~lart kde Oct 29 21:39:27 * ibot brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, kde!" and lops off kde's head Oct 29 21:40:09 hrw: you get my pm? Oct 29 21:40:16 nicolasfr: did not Oct 29 21:40:31 :/ Gaim problem? ... Oct 29 21:41:21 anyway, I was talking about the tablet. If you're interested just email me your address Oct 29 21:41:59 suihkulokki: are there instructions somewhere for installing debian without serial port hack? Oct 29 21:42:12 nicolasfr: ah.. that one Oct 29 21:42:29 brb Oct 29 21:46:04 had to reboot again Oct 29 21:46:27 hehe Oct 29 21:47:01 nicolasfr: i have to fix this machine.. Oct 29 22:13:49 cu Oct 29 22:46:07 hey rwhitby Oct 29 22:46:13 hey Oct 29 22:49:39 has there been any discussion of making openslug a more general purpose distribution for embedded devs of a certain class? Oct 29 22:50:24 and by certain class, i mean flash kernel/root, config area, packing system, etc. Oct 29 22:54:52 HopsNBarley: it already is - see slugos.conf Oct 29 22:55:37 but I really think anything more general should be based on generic OE rather than slugos Oct 29 22:55:51 koen already says that slugos is too complex :-) Oct 29 23:02:12 thanks for the tip. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 30 02:59:57 2006