**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 06 02:59:57 2006 Nov 06 03:08:56 Is it possible to get an unread marker feature as in X-Chat but in irssi?? Nov 06 06:49:07 good morning Nov 06 07:05:30 good morning koen Nov 06 07:06:29 hey Bernardo Nov 06 07:06:32 good morning all Nov 06 07:09:40 morning koen :) Nov 06 07:10:01 Err, I would like to ask - did anyone already try h5xxx images for Angstrom? Nov 06 07:11:22 morning and see you soon Nov 06 07:11:36 I have not seen big fat warning anywhere, but to be sure, I'm asking - I'm about to flash one my device because I'll probably need 2.6 kernel Nov 06 07:11:40 * mickey|packing departing to airport Nov 06 07:12:33 mmp: you need a 2.6 kernel, which isn't really finished for h5xxx Nov 06 07:13:15 I'm aware of that, but the things I really need seems to be working according to status page Nov 06 07:13:27 (things I would like to work of course do not yet:) Nov 06 07:14:25 Just if there is no sign of sudden corruption, explosion, black hole or universe collapse when/if I do something wrong Nov 06 07:14:26 :) Nov 06 07:17:27 hi mickey|amsterdam Nov 06 07:18:07 * koen can't wait till mickeyl's secret project gets revealed Nov 06 07:18:23 :) Nov 06 07:18:59 * Bernardo is still trying to figure why he can't build file or bluez-libs (run-strip tries to strip .la files) in the oz354x branch Nov 06 07:19:28 I think the run-strip in .oz tries to strip everything Nov 06 07:19:46 and binutils used to silently ignore non-binaries Nov 06 07:20:09 try copying strip.bbclass from .dev to classes/ Nov 06 07:20:10 yep... I hope tonight my daughter lets me use the pc enough time to try harder to work around it Nov 06 07:20:19 that's a good idea Nov 06 07:20:25 I fixed it in .dev a while ago :) Nov 06 07:21:15 a, hmmm Nov 06 07:21:19 Bernardo: try this patch: http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/diff.psp?id1=ad1166f61d6d481ac69e056549877746f94be421&id2=9bc80e3bf4d08b6ed77ce96de58c776c9d4fcfe2 Nov 06 07:21:21 it isn't in my dev/classes... Nov 06 07:21:25 ok Nov 06 07:26:00 well, the package.bbclass is too different to apply the patch Nov 06 07:26:16 tonight I'll try it, have to run now. Thnaks! Nov 06 07:26:21 I mean thanks! Nov 06 07:26:22 :) Nov 06 07:36:53 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r240d6c01... 10/ (1 packages/angstrom/angstrom-version.bb): angstrom-version: set PACKAGES Nov 06 07:53:21 hello Nov 06 07:55:43 hey Genesis Nov 06 07:57:10 yo koen :) Nov 06 07:57:43 hey koen. Up early today? Nov 06 07:58:17 seems that bugday are better that sleepday Nov 06 07:58:26 hvontres|home: yeah, I had to get up at 7 am each day last week Nov 06 07:58:41 the biorythm still hasn't recovered :) Nov 06 07:59:05 Hmm, I'm afraid the most recent snapshot for h5xxx devices doesn't work on my h5550 Nov 06 07:59:59 hmmm, 0:30 here...time to go to bed. Thanks for all the bughunting this weekend :) Nov 06 08:00:22 ping RP Nov 06 08:03:00 ~botmail to RP: Any more thoughts on Bug #1553? I should be back here around 09:00 Pacific Nov 06 08:03:22 how many bugs were closed during the weekend? Nov 06 08:03:44 NAiL: 62 Nov 06 08:04:10 NAiL: http://tinyurl.com/yhosqg Nov 06 08:06:50 night all Nov 06 08:07:32 'bout 10%, not bad :) Nov 06 08:16:16 mickey|amsterdam: ERROR: QA Issue: non debug package contains .dbg file: python-pygobject Nov 06 08:28:57 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r08a3a893... 10/ (1 classes/insane.bbclass): insane.bbclass: update message for -dbg packages Nov 06 08:41:17 morning Nov 06 08:41:22 hey XorA Nov 06 08:41:40 morning Nov 06 09:00:10 morning all Nov 06 09:00:53 hey RP Nov 06 09:01:33 morning Nov 06 09:06:38 Im guessing there is no linux for the Axim x51v Nov 06 09:07:41 XorA: there were some tries a while ago Nov 06 09:08:39 XorA: but the axim ported seemed to be set on reinventing the wheel Nov 06 09:08:43 s/ported/porters/ Nov 06 09:09:55 a whole lotta bug fixing this weekend Nov 06 09:10:25 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * re4fd57f0... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): rxvt-unicode: Fix SRC_URIs Nov 06 09:12:29 XorA: rxvt-unicode 8.0 has been released :) Nov 06 09:12:35 * koen reads http://cvs.schmorp.de/rxvt-unicode/Changes Nov 06 09:13:08 koen: Do you think #297 could be resolved WORKSFORME? (well, you) :) Nov 06 09:13:09 koen: I saw Nov 06 09:13:19 I wondered about adding 8.0... Nov 06 09:13:36 RP: go for it, I expects is a mtn cp Nov 06 09:14:54 RP: done Nov 06 09:53:28 http://wiki.debian.org/ProposedTrademarkPolicy Nov 06 09:53:29 good morning Nov 06 09:53:33 hi florian_kc Nov 06 10:02:07 fsck. vmware hang - need to reboot ;( Nov 06 10:02:22 morning Nov 06 10:02:24 brb Nov 06 10:10:36 re Nov 06 10:48:02 Hi Nov 06 10:48:06 hey sirfred Nov 06 10:48:33 sirfred: how does your mplayer patch play along with Xw100? Nov 06 10:48:51 koen: Well, I'm not sure. Nov 06 10:49:03 koen: I'm not using Xw100. Nov 06 10:49:35 koen: In fact, I'm thinking about making a kdrive libw100 based driver for w100. Nov 06 10:50:10 yay, then aticore can die Nov 06 10:50:22 ~stab aticore Nov 06 10:50:30 * ibot runs at aticore with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. Nov 06 10:50:48 Well, Xw100 is not using aticore, afaik Nov 06 10:50:58 sirfred: it does Nov 06 10:51:18 XorA: Completely sure about that? Nov 06 10:51:33 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * rbe45303d... 10/ (1 packages/images/unslung-image.bb): unslung-image: Added explicit dependency on libipkg (dunno why this changed). Nov 06 10:52:21 sirfred: actually no, just looked at the patch and it doesnt seem to Nov 06 10:52:21 XorA: AFAIK, Xw100 is Mardy work, that uses what we learn from aticore, but is not using aticore itself. Nov 06 10:52:39 sirfred: getting mixed up with pdaXrom stuff probably Nov 06 10:52:51 XorA: Yes, pdaXrom is using aticore. Nov 06 10:53:08 XorA: Did you see my mplayer patch? Nov 06 10:53:16 sirfred: no Nov 06 10:53:42 XorA: If you're interested, it's at http://sf.net/projects/libw100 Nov 06 10:54:04 XorA: I got fullscreen more or less decent playing. Nov 06 10:54:53 XorA: You will also need libw100 0.0.2 or CVS head, from the same place. Nov 06 10:55:00 sirfred: cool Nov 06 10:55:09 sirfred: is it ready to merge into mplayer? Nov 06 10:55:19 XorA: Ready with an mplayer after the patches in oe. Nov 06 10:55:20 sirfred: in oe version that is Nov 06 10:55:47 XorA: You need to --enable-imageon and the driver is -vo imagon Nov 06 10:55:50 -vo imageon Nov 06 10:56:01 XorA: Just to be able to have the two versions at once, and compare. Nov 06 10:56:04 sirfred: if you have write access feel free to merge it into the .bb Nov 06 10:56:25 XorA: I don't have write access. Nov 06 10:56:48 XorA: Anyway, I still having sound problems or something strange. Sound works randomly. Nov 06 10:57:09 sirfred: ok, Ill merge when I got some free time, then you can get people testing Nov 06 10:57:17 XorA: That would be great. Nov 06 10:57:47 XorA: What I've made is rotating in hardware and scaling to 320x240 to the internal imageon memory (the faster) Nov 06 10:58:09 Then, overlay that surface just expanding it to be double size: 640x480 Nov 06 10:58:19 sirfred: cool Nov 06 10:58:37 As scaling performed by that expansion is antialiased, the result is not bad. mplayer is showing 2% time in videooutput only. Nov 06 10:58:58 sirfred: as I said, ipod video is only 320x240 Nov 06 10:59:08 Of course, if you try to do so with a very big source video, the imageon bandwidth is going to kill you. Nov 06 10:59:12 but we have devent size screen Nov 06 10:59:26 So, the solutions would be: Nov 06 10:59:41 1.-Find a way to overclock or program different the imageon host interface. Nov 06 11:00:23 2.-Be able to feed the imageon with the pre-idct surface. This way, the bandwidth required should be really lower. Nov 06 11:00:59 XorA: The driver is not complete, anyway. I want to provide a way to hot-switch from fullscreen to nonfullscreen. Nov 06 11:02:03 Humm, unfortunately, my VPN connection to the ugly work is back. I have to leave now. Nov 06 11:02:34 See you Nov 06 11:04:06 * CoreDump|home shakes his fist at the idiocy of /etc/rcS.d/S10checkroot Nov 06 11:14:06 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rc051452b... 10/ (1 packages/libw100 packages/libw100/libw100_svn.bb): libw100: add svn version Nov 06 11:15:01 koen: cool Nov 06 11:18:19 XorA: I've had it in my tree for a while now Nov 06 11:21:17 hey lrg Nov 06 11:21:26 hey koen, morning all Nov 06 11:35:14 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r40fdd766... 10/ (1 packages/libw100/libw100_svn.bb): libw100_svn.bb : add staging Nov 06 11:35:33 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r7a8dc020... 10/ (1 packages/mplayer/mplayer_1.0pre8.bb): mplayer_1.0pre8.bb : add new imageon driver courtesy of "sirfred" Nov 06 11:41:11 someone can now test their pr0n collection Nov 06 11:46:48 having a libw100 based kdrive would be neat as well Nov 06 11:47:00 (and add proper locking/vt switching for video stuff) Nov 06 12:05:31 hrw|work: how do we fsck the MD on boot on SL-C3x00? Do we at all? Nov 06 12:13:06 hey zecke Nov 06 12:13:08 ho Nov 06 12:14:09 27.16 hours left :) Nov 06 12:14:25 koen: of what? Nov 06 12:15:09 till the super secret project gets demoed Nov 06 12:16:32 koen: which one? Nov 06 12:16:42 koen: this channel seems to be full of them Nov 06 12:18:24 mickeyl's one Nov 06 12:18:42 CoreDump|afk: did not checked do we check it Nov 06 12:35:46 hrm Nov 06 12:35:58 the tosa patches don't apply any more to 2.6.18 Nov 06 12:37:34 do13: is banned from hacking :-( Nov 06 12:39:25 XorA: got married? ;) Nov 06 12:40:12 florian_kc: :-D Nov 06 12:41:00 root Nov 06 13:16:57 wow Nov 06 13:17:09 it takes apple 5 days to ship something across shanghai Nov 06 13:18:55 It took apple two days to get my ipod from .no to .nl and send one back ;-) Nov 06 13:23:19 s/send one/send a new one/ Nov 06 13:23:43 koen: Ipod by avian carrier Nov 06 13:24:07 what is the air velocity of an ipod-laden avian carrier? Nov 06 13:24:17 african or european? Nov 06 13:24:53 huh? I don't know that. Nov 06 13:24:58 ;) Nov 06 13:25:59 * XorA nows has an image of an ostrich legging it through shanghai with an ipod Nov 06 13:29:37 * NAiL shoots the ostrich Nov 06 14:06:16 zecke: is oe.org already running your new bonsai? Nov 06 14:35:07 * mrz80 is away: Metaphysically I'm still here; physically, I'm elsewhere Nov 06 14:43:49 koen: no, I have not yet received the license fees :) Nov 06 14:44:31 koen: I think I will upload this weekend. Then it should be able to be used with tinderclient.bbclass Nov 06 14:46:05 morning Nov 06 14:46:09 hey chouimat Nov 06 14:46:29 zecke: ok, I'll try to setup a regular angstrom build on ewi Nov 06 14:46:59 man, I forgot how slow compiling for x86 is Nov 06 14:47:14 hello; I'm having trouble to get h5xxx image running; the kernel doesn't seem to boot (although it should be able to). Nov 06 14:47:25 hey mmp Nov 06 14:47:34 XorA: hi:) Nov 06 14:47:37 koen: CISC sucks Nov 06 14:48:20 koen, zecke: Hmm, I found out that gcc 3.3 compiles ARM kernel much slower than anything what compiles for my system. Nov 06 14:48:38 mmp: ARM kernels are special :) Nov 06 14:48:42 * koen doesn't use gcc3 :) Nov 06 14:49:02 mmp: this is the process where the C gets transformed to a R Nov 06 14:49:12 koenI was trying to build familiar kernel, so I had to :( Nov 06 14:49:34 zecke: R? I thought that is an environment for statistic math:) Nov 06 14:49:55 mmp: s/CISC/RISC/g Nov 06 14:50:05 Ahaa:) Nov 06 14:50:11 zecke: but C is R Nov 06 14:50:27 (h5xxx) Any clues what and how could I try to debug it without reflashing? Nov 06 14:50:38 XorA: got me :) Nov 06 14:50:51 XorA: I tried to be GNU and added 'g' :} Nov 06 14:50:56 and C++ is C Nov 06 14:52:08 Or how to force the kernel to be more verbose - On the serial console I only see 'Loading linux... ... ... ok' and nothing then Nov 06 14:52:24 are the other boot messages stripped, or just disabled? Nov 06 14:52:52 change commandline to console=ttySXX whereever your serial port is Nov 06 14:53:16 I believe that is done by default Nov 06 14:53:24 you have to set that in bootldr Nov 06 14:53:44 'params linuxargs' iirc Nov 06 14:54:03 In the bootldr it already is set (and I hope it is the right port:) Nov 06 14:54:17 I should probably check it.. Nov 06 14:54:33 My bad that I'm currently at school and PDA is at dorm Nov 06 14:54:35 :( Nov 06 14:55:01 mmp: btw, I using NetworkManager lots not Nov 06 14:55:15 did the dbus issues get fixed in OE? Nov 06 14:56:27 koen: which issues? Nov 06 14:56:41 the at-console security things Nov 06 14:56:59 koen: nope, I just added my user to the files, you need full pam for the at_console stuff Nov 06 14:57:20 koen: I wonder if it takes groups instead of users, that would be a good compromise Nov 06 14:57:24 XorA: hmm, I don't understand correctly you previous message... (the first about NetworkManager) Nov 06 14:57:26 bugzilla lack good RSS.. Nov 06 14:57:49 mmp: replace not with now :-) Nov 06 14:57:51 hrw|work: I think zecke has good rss for bugs in his apps Nov 06 14:58:23 XorA: I think the at_console thingy will be also quite good for better privilege separation in GPE; it seems quite useful at least for me. Nov 06 14:58:53 mmp: it is a nice idea Nov 06 14:58:53 XorA: (s/not/now) now it gives a bit more sense, thanks:) Nov 06 14:59:54 XorA: I think determining which user physically uses the device used to be one of the issues which made things mroe problematic... . Nov 06 15:01:46 XorA: I fixed libgtkinput and libgtkstylus packages for gtk 2.10.x, do you know of any more candidates? Nov 06 15:02:01 koen: you said something about themes Nov 06 15:02:16 ah, right Nov 06 15:02:25 hrw|work: what kind of RSS do you want? Nov 06 15:02:33 hrw|work: per product? per component? per bug id? Nov 06 15:02:34 CoreDump|afk: can you post your updater.sh as addon to my unified one? Nov 06 15:02:51 hrw|work: per reporter? I do not index everything from BugZilla Nov 06 15:03:12 zecke: all-not-closed-bugs (sorted by id) Nov 06 15:03:25 zecke: all-recent-addons would be nice too Nov 06 15:04:02 my inbox/listy dyskusyjne/bugs/oe folder has ~600 entries so it is not easy to digg there Nov 06 15:04:15 hrw|work: http://bugs.openembedded.org/buglist.cgi?bug_file_loc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_id=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bugidtype=include&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&email1=&email2=&emailassigned_to1=1&emailassigned_to2=1&emailcc2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailtype1=substring&emailtype2=substring&field-1-0-0=bug_status&field0-0-0=noop&long_desc=&long_desc_type=substring&query_f Nov 06 15:04:47 koen: I know tinyurl Nov 06 15:04:52 koen: just forgot about it Nov 06 15:07:01 have to go, bbl Nov 06 15:28:35 XorA: adding gtk 2.10.6 + update packages to the angstrom feeds right now :) Nov 06 15:28:43 koen: cool Nov 06 15:28:54 koen: I have seen one rendering issue with square checkboxes Nov 06 15:29:32 koen: btw gtk 2.10.X and gtk 2.8.X and gtk 2.6.X on arm are abi incompatible Nov 06 15:29:43 koen: you will get application segfaults Nov 06 15:29:51 hrm Nov 06 15:30:12 wasn't that about glib''s memchunks? Nov 06 15:30:50 koen: no, this is true abi problems in gtk+ Ive never had time to track them down, but if I change 2.8 to 2.10 without changing glib then I see most GPE apps segfault Nov 06 15:30:59 koen: a rebuild against 2.10 fixes this Nov 06 15:31:17 koen: and I saw the same issue when I first went 2.6->2.8 as well Nov 06 15:31:49 * koen rebuilds everything Nov 06 15:36:56 * zecke remembers the ranting of the SUSE Gtk+ packager(s) Nov 06 15:38:26 * mrz80 is back (gone 01:03:19) Nov 06 15:39:35 zecke: tanting? Nov 06 15:39:44 s/tantrant/ Nov 06 15:39:55 god I cant even get regexp right :-( Nov 06 15:40:38 XorA: http://blogs.gnome.org/view/xan/2006/11/06/0 Nov 06 15:42:22 * koen thinks about applying http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/cairo/2006-November/008331.html to OE Nov 06 15:42:26 koen: if I read that right, we actually want the cairopatch? Nov 06 15:42:37 XorA: xftpatch + cairopatch Nov 06 15:43:59 koen: hmm, yeah they need some text rendering tests in there, so you can differentiar Nov 06 15:44:07 differentiate Nov 06 15:45:02 koen: the first paragraph makes OSX universal binary users headache Nov 06 15:50:41 NOTE: Applying patch '0001-Add-autoconf-macro-AX_C_FLOAT_WORDS_BIGENDIAN.diff' Nov 06 15:50:42 NOTE: Applying patch '0002-Change-_cairo_fixed_from_double-to-use-the-magic-number-technique.diff' Nov 06 15:50:42 NOTE: package cairo-1.2.4-r2: task do_patch: completed Nov 06 15:55:50 XorA: you might find http://angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv4t/ interesting Nov 06 15:56:11 ah time to test angstrom on my shark Nov 06 15:56:28 zecke: isn't your shark armv4l instead of armv4t? Nov 06 15:57:35 koen: I am wary of trying Angstrom on Samsung until I get this stuff working Nov 06 15:57:45 XorA: right :) Nov 06 15:58:07 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r749aa134... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Nov 06 15:58:07 cairo 1.2.4: add patches from Dan Amelang to speed up fixed_from_double conversions Nov 06 15:58:08 * see http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/cairo/2006-November/008331.html Nov 06 15:58:12 * also see http://blogs.gnome.org/view/xan/2006/11/06/0 Nov 06 16:01:32 later Nov 06 17:29:55 ~ping RP Nov 06 17:29:57 pong RP Nov 06 17:31:59 hvontres|poodle: I saw your message - the correct solution is to rename the mixer control. For the wm8750 we might have to add some alternative names though Nov 06 17:32:26 RP: what do you think about renaming OK to F33 on all Zaurus models? Nov 06 17:32:48 RP: ok. Thanks. Nov 06 17:32:50 X11 users can xmodmap it to any button anyway Nov 06 17:32:57 * lrg is making mixer changes now Nov 06 17:33:21 RP: I wasn't sure if that would break other stuff, so I just remapped it for the oss layer. Nov 06 17:33:59 RP:Plus I had talked with Xora on Friday and he thought the alsa stuff was ok the way it was. Nov 06 17:34:18 lrg: Thanks for all your work :) Nov 06 17:34:45 hrw|work: Good question. I found it useful in the shell as return but we should probably give users more of a chance to remap it... Nov 06 17:35:15 hrw|work: The only side effect of making OK F33 is that it is no longer retrun in the console Nov 06 17:35:43 hvontres|poodle: the problem we have atm is supporting old oss apps :(, their maintainers should hopefully all be thinking about supporting alsa in the near future Nov 06 17:36:19 RP: there is a return near OK on clamshells... Nov 06 17:36:37 hvontres|poodle: fwiw, oss drivers are now being dropped from the kernel if an equivalent alsa driver is available Nov 06 17:36:39 RP: and F33/OK button is more usefull in opie then Return/OK Nov 06 17:36:49 * lrg -> train Nov 06 17:36:53 lrg: but oss emulation still is available Nov 06 17:37:01 lrg: thanks :) Nov 06 17:37:11 lrg: I realize that. I just noticed how close we already were. Plus I was fixing the oss-emulation layer :) Nov 06 17:37:17 I go home - will be back soon Nov 06 17:37:19 hrw|work: It depends which OK button we're talking about ;-) Nov 06 17:38:13 RP: 'in pad' one (cxx00), 'right-to-pad' one (poodle/tosa), keyboard one (c7x0). but not 'OK/cancel near jogdial' one I think Nov 06 17:38:34 I will be back in ~1h Nov 06 17:38:35 cu Nov 06 17:38:45 hrw|work: I agree renaming that is probably a good idea Nov 06 17:40:19 when running ipkg update on my target, I'm getting an error (or warning, I'm not sure which) saying "ipkg: Invalid gzip magic" Nov 06 17:40:27 anyone seen this before? Nov 06 17:40:59 I have read it's todo with tar/ar being broken Nov 06 17:46:20 it's apache on debian being broken iirc Nov 06 17:46:49 koen: really? broken in what way? Nov 06 17:46:55 Hello Nov 06 17:46:59 wrong mimetypes Nov 06 17:47:03 hey sirfred Nov 06 17:47:24 koen: interesting... do you know of a fix? Nov 06 17:47:43 this is, mime-type for the .gz file I assume Nov 06 17:48:40 /etc/apache2/httpd.conf:183:AddType application/octet-stream .ipk Nov 06 17:48:46 that's what I have Nov 06 17:50:26 hmm. still get the Invalid gzip magic message Nov 06 17:57:14 bbl Nov 06 17:57:24 It seems somebody upgraded oe mplayer with my patches. XorA|gone , I suppose Nov 06 17:57:54 sirfred: yes, it was XorA|gone Nov 06 17:58:10 RP: Thanks. Nov 06 17:58:18 I guess if he had some time to test them... Nov 06 17:58:55 It seems that he's gone when I'm not and vice versa. Nov 06 18:01:14 Hi all Nov 06 18:04:17 RP: I have written a plugin for tslib, do you know who should I send it to? Nov 06 18:04:44 re Nov 06 18:04:50 hi nicolasfr Nov 06 18:04:51 hi hrw Nov 06 18:05:28 hrw: stuff is gone Nov 06 18:05:46 nicolasfr: gone as gone or gone as sent? Nov 06 18:06:23 hrw: gone as sent ;) Nov 06 18:06:28 ;) Nov 06 18:09:00 I posted a message on lklm and got an answer from Alan Cox himself! that's cool Nov 06 18:11:19 nicolasfr: kergoth is the tslib maintainer Nov 06 18:12:27 nicolasfr: Wait until you try and tell Alan he's wrong about something - that is scary :) Nov 06 18:13:44 RP: hehe! well with the little knowledge I have in programming, I don't think this will ever happen ;) But still I managed to spot this evil bug with my webpad and the APM module Nov 06 18:14:27 nicolasfr: A few years ago, I would have doubted I would have done it either ;-) Nov 06 18:15:04 RP: so Alan Cox gone mad after you? Nov 06 18:15:34 s/gone/went|got?/ Nov 06 18:15:48 RP: You mean you weren't born a kernel god? Nov 06 18:16:00 nicolasfr: Not really, we just disagreed about something at one point :) Nov 06 18:16:28 hvontres|poodle: No and I still have a way to go in the respect ;-) Nov 06 18:16:56 you mean we can't just s/Linus/RP/ just yet :) Nov 06 18:17:28 * hvontres|poodle is just happy to be able to bitbake virtual/kernel now :) Nov 06 18:17:39 RP: I can't find kergoth's email on my OE list archive, do you have it? Nov 06 18:17:51 kergoth@hh Nov 06 18:17:53 ~kergoth Nov 06 18:18:02 hmm... kergoth is Chris Larson, an open source developer currently working for Openedhand Ltd (o-hand.com), remotely, from AZ. Core developer on OpenZaurus, OpenEmbedded/BitBake, and TSlib. Often the resident BOFH, and often an ass. Newbies and the clueless beware. Nov 06 18:18:14 ~nail Nov 06 18:18:19 * ibot nails $1 to #oe Nov 06 18:18:27 heh Nov 06 18:18:40 clarson@kergoth.com is best, trying to cut down on the traffic going through the hh.o forward Nov 06 18:18:40 hrw: thanks! Nov 06 18:18:59 kergoth: hi Nov 06 18:19:13 hey kergoth Nov 06 18:19:44 hey Nov 06 18:20:28 kergoth: the changes to update-alternatives look safe, but I'll test it before merging it into .dev Nov 06 18:20:37 cool :) Nov 06 18:20:51 * kergoth wasnt sure if the syntax between the u-a's were the same Nov 06 18:20:57 kergoth: we may even get rid of the cworth version and use the newer debian one Nov 06 18:21:05 kergoth: I have written a tslib plugin for the Tatung webpad touchscreen (serial touchscreen). Should I send it to you to? Nov 06 18:21:50 nicolasfr: sure Nov 06 18:22:19 re Nov 06 18:23:00 note to self: make .forward readable Nov 06 18:23:06 heh Nov 06 18:24:00 kergoth: I found that other tslib patch I was thinking about a while back - #518 in the OE bugzilla Nov 06 18:24:12 * RP -> food Nov 06 18:24:38 * VoodooZ once had the honour to shake Alan Cox's hand at the linux symposium in Ottawa. :) Nov 06 18:25:37 * NAiL has only shaken Stallman's hand :-P Nov 06 18:28:01 kergoth: email sent. Thanks. Nov 06 18:50:44 psokolovsky_: I've unbroken my mail address for angstrom-dev :) Nov 06 18:51:10 koen: Nice! ;-) Nov 06 18:57:44 brb - reboot to check pci irq methods Nov 06 18:59:23 re Nov 06 19:08:57 'evening all Nov 06 19:09:03 evenin Nov 06 19:09:13 hey cyrilRomain Nov 06 19:25:05 koen: I'm still battling getting my Apache to serve the Packages.gz file correctly... do you remember having to do anything special to get that working on Debian apache2? Nov 06 19:25:26 only that line in httpd.conf Nov 06 19:25:46 I only had troubles with the ipkg files Nov 06 19:25:56 (and busybox wget being retarted) Nov 06 19:26:09 hmm.. my ipkg files are ok... it's the gz ones that are giving me grief Nov 06 19:26:24 wget just pulls an html page... not a compressed file Nov 06 19:27:54 ha. ok. I got it... something todo with the way my domain forwarding has been set up Nov 06 19:28:09 accessing it by a different url seems to ensure it pulls the file correctly Nov 06 20:02:33 hello. I've been posting today on the mailing Nov 06 20:02:56 ... mailing list about the compiler generation problem Nov 06 20:06:44 * RP returns Nov 06 20:06:49 hi Longfield Nov 06 20:06:58 hell Nov 06 20:08:02 sorry, hello ;=) Nov 06 20:12:47 hey Longfield Nov 06 20:13:01 hello Koen Nov 06 20:13:23 ~seen lrg Nov 06 20:13:27 lrg was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 2h 36m 50s ago, saying: 'hvontres|poodle: fwiw, oss drivers are now being dropped from the kernel if an equivalent alsa driver is available'. Nov 06 20:13:53 to answer your last post, I get my error from a build from scratch ... Nov 06 20:14:03 hmmm Nov 06 20:14:16 I had that error as well, but I don't know what solved it Nov 06 20:15:14 and I have this same error with both my "new" profile and angstrom for mx31ads Nov 06 20:15:48 but I made a mistake, now glibc-intermediate works (I was missing gawk as you said) but gcc-cross fails after glibc-intermediate Nov 06 20:16:09 (*) (*) (*) Supertux, that builded by my OE start run under Angstrom on my hx4700... welcome to the future... :) (*)(*)(*) Nov 06 20:16:34 to answer your earlier question: glibc-intermediate is needed to build a compiler with nptl support Nov 06 20:16:58 ok, thank you for the precision Nov 06 20:17:34 den-ros: you could install xserver-kdrive-w100 to squeeze some more performance out of the ati w3220 Nov 06 20:17:48 den-ros: if you haven't already done that :) Nov 06 20:18:54 Longfield: I'm doing a build from scratch for armv4t and armv5te, I can do one for armv6 tomorrow Nov 06 20:19:18 * koen makes a note about poking lrg for patches he might have for i.mx31 Nov 06 20:20:33 koen: that would be very nice. Because open-embedded would be really great to use to build my distro. It exactly fits my needs Nov 06 20:20:53 Longfield: It is worth a bit of pain when getting started :) Nov 06 20:22:10 I already have a glibc-2.4 arm eabi NPTL crosstool which woks rather nice, with the needed patches if it could help you building armv6 ... Nov 06 20:22:51 glibc 2.4 is broken for EABI Nov 06 20:22:56 Longfield: Is that a standard crosstool? Nov 06 20:22:56 shm and ipc doesn't work Nov 06 20:23:04 koen: It would depend on the patches... Nov 06 20:23:10 RP: right Nov 06 20:23:14 yeah, you're right about shm Nov 06 20:23:28 Longfield: So shm is broken with crosstool? Nov 06 20:23:38 although technically the problem isn't in glibc, but in ports Nov 06 20:24:07 RP: well, I use a few more patches than just crosstool ones Nov 06 20:24:18 koen: Ah, thank You :) Nov 06 20:25:03 Longfield: I'd be interested to see those patches, as I would like to see glibc 2.4 working in OE for EABI... Nov 06 20:26:02 RP: with great pleasure, I would be glad if I could help Nov 06 20:27:09 Longfield: Just to confirm, you have a patch to fix the shm issue? Nov 06 20:27:34 ah ... no unfortunately Nov 06 20:29:07 Howto setup a sharp spitz to use Xfree Nov 06 20:29:10 any good howto/doc out there? Nov 06 20:29:51 Longfield: I'm still interested but without solving the shm issue, glibc 2.4 will never get used on arm :-( Nov 06 20:30:07 RP: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-ports/2006-08/msg00028.html Nov 06 20:31:21 koen: Does it exist bitbake 'something' for build xserver-kdrive-w100 (ATI) ? Nov 06 20:31:38 den-ros: 'bitbake virtual/xserver' Nov 06 20:31:46 den-ros: the ipk is also in the feeds Nov 06 20:31:52 den-ros: or xserver-kdrive Nov 06 20:32:08 Great thanks friends :) Nov 06 20:33:01 RP: I also applied the cairo fixed_From_double patches to .dev Nov 06 20:33:34 koen: sounds good. I really need to experiment with some of this in poky :) Nov 06 20:33:55 (the only way I'll get some of OH testing it) Nov 06 20:34:33 RP: see the links in the commit message: http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=749aa1340946e929e3de2422cb6c275ee1ae34ba Nov 06 20:35:02 RP: but I think you alreay know the patches I've used to generate my crosstool compiler: http://www.freaknet.org/martin/crosstool/ Nov 06 20:35:39 heh Nov 06 20:35:53 martin is now using angstrom as well for his eabi work :) Nov 06 20:36:56 :) Nov 06 20:41:36 koen: well, one more reason for me to switch to openembedded as well ;) Nov 06 20:42:27 if only imx31 hardware were cheaper..... Nov 06 20:42:30 Hm. Stop. Here is already xserver-kdrive-w100_X11R7.1-1.1.0-r5_armv5te.ipk builded on my host by OE. First time i know, that there is several xserver packages :) . I see, that for default Angstrom complected with xserver-common xserver-kdrive and xserver-kdrive-w100. Nov 06 20:43:27 Does it mean that xserver-kdrive-w100 used? Nov 06 20:43:39 it means that it was build Nov 06 20:43:42 built* Nov 06 20:43:54 depending on how recent your OE is, it is installed :) Nov 06 20:43:56 koen: in #1130 what would you say to do with the site/x86_64 change or the pth changes? Nov 06 20:44:11 Built and install in Angstrom. Nov 06 20:45:09 koen: I have a response for the rest of it... Nov 06 20:45:14 I rememmber, that supertux can be builded with OpenGL, now, how i can see supertux builded against SDL. Nov 06 20:45:31 koen: maybe our imx31 hardware will be cheap enough (we are designing an open hardware platform) Nov 06 20:45:57 * RP wishes he had an imx31 to play with... Nov 06 20:46:19 So, i think, i need kdrive-w100 + OpenGL+ supertux-OpenGL Nov 06 20:46:35 RP: no idea on #1130, sorry Nov 06 20:46:46 RP: I do have one one (ADS board). It's a very nice toy ! Nov 06 20:46:50 koen: That makes two of us... Nov 06 20:46:51 den-ros: opengl would be sloooooooooooooooooooooooooow Nov 06 20:47:09 koen: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :) Nov 06 20:47:37 koen: The site file entry looks wrong to me, I could make a correct looking version but it would be a random guess... Nov 06 20:47:39 I remember lrg complaining that the order bounced on his company credit card :) Nov 06 20:47:59 RP, any idea of what support standard Xfree has for zaurus spitz?.. trying to create a good xorg.conf Nov 06 20:48:12 koen: Sorry one more time - how i can check - that defently kdrive-w100, that installed - is used? Nov 06 20:48:28 den-ros: if it's there, it will be used Nov 06 20:48:35 den-ros: ps ax and see if Xw100 is running instead of Xfbdev Nov 06 20:49:08 Kristoffer: I've never tried xorg... Nov 06 20:49:28 RP, Doesnt openzaurus use the default xserver-kdrive (fb-xserver)? Nov 06 20:49:31 RP: Thank You. Nov 06 20:49:58 Kristoffer: Yes, openzaurus uses kdrive Nov 06 20:50:37 and in 2007, we will have robots with an imx31 inside ... and I hope open-embedded will be used for the robot Linux distro Nov 06 20:51:47 Exactly - there is Xw100 . Nov 06 20:52:12 By default in Angstrom for my config. Nov 06 20:54:21 Enough for today.. gaim, abiword, supertux builded, install and run...go to sleep. Greeting for all :) Nov 06 21:16:11 hello; I tried the console=ttySAx; x \in {0,1,2,3}, but the kernel still doesn't print out any debugging messages to serial line; I can for sure say it at least brings up the serial port (because of DTR signal being activated), but nothing more... . any ideas? Nov 06 21:16:50 Longfield: you do robotics too? Nov 06 21:18:32 (cont) I noticed there are just ttyS0 and ttySA0 devices in /dev; could that be a problem? It is possible that my PDA has 0th serial line occupied by bluetooth (but I honestly don't remember...) Nov 06 21:23:57 VoodooZ: yep, you too ? Nov 06 21:24:09 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r5177312d... 10/ (12 files in 3 dirs): gmp: Refactor into inc files, add 4.2.1 (partly from #1130) Nov 06 21:25:59 Longfield: yeah, as a hobbyist though. You? http://robotics.no-ip.org Nov 06 21:26:12 Nothing fancy though. Do you have a page? Nov 06 21:26:25 I'm running my robot using slugos on an NSLU2 board. Nov 06 21:26:47 doing basic computer vision and motor schema AI stuff. Nov 06 21:26:52 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r086c70f0... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): glibc-2.4: Add upstream fix for ARM IPC issues Nov 06 21:29:17 well, I used to do it as a hobby during my computer engineering studies (took part 3 years to Eurobot) but now I'm doing my PhD in a robotics lab ! Nov 06 21:30:38 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r86dd591c... 10/ (1 conf/machine/ixp4xx.conf): Nov 06 21:30:38 ixp4xx: remove pcmcia support Nov 06 21:30:38 [22:49] Koen: is the cf slot in the loft an ide port or a pcmcia port? Nov 06 21:30:38 [22:49] [g2]: koen IDE Nov 06 21:30:38 [22:49] [g2]: IDE no DMA support but interrupt support Nov 06 21:31:05 Longfield: Nice! I'd love to see the stuff you have access too. Where are you located? Nov 06 21:31:24 Longfield: What's the URL for the department you are in? Nov 06 21:31:32 and now we are working on the new version of this robot: http://www.swarm-bots.org/ Nov 06 21:32:05 What is your specialty? Vision? navigation? Nov 06 21:32:09 koen: Sorry that I'm bugging all the time - do the kernels built for test images have patches used to build hho kernels? I can't get it to boot nor to print any reasonable warning, although it seems to raise at least DTR on serial port. Nov 06 21:32:37 mmp: built straight from OE Nov 06 21:33:18 VoodooZ: I'm doing AI, navigation, but mostly vision ... but now I'm almost working full-time on engineering the iMX31 robot board and trying to get openembedded on it ;) Nov 06 21:33:23 koen: but from vanilla, or patched sources? (I don't have org.OE.dev tree at hand actually...) Nov 06 21:33:43 Longfield: nice. do you have specs? Nov 06 21:33:44 VoodooZ: http://www2.epfl.ch/lsro Nov 06 21:35:24 VoodooZ: my lab in construction website, not too many mobile robot, because my unit has been moved, Nov 06 21:35:38 mmp: dunno, whatever is in .dev Nov 06 21:35:59 koen: sorry I'm asking for maybe stupid things, but right now I have device which just tells me that kernel is loaded and then dies; I have no clue how I could effectively debug it. Nov 06 21:36:18 And I don't have JTAG equipment nearby. Nov 06 21:36:34 Longfield: anyways, I have to leave work now. I'll check your page once I get home. Nov 06 21:36:39 you could build a kernel with the printascii hack Nov 06 21:37:14 Longfield: I'd love to cooperate on a good linux robot distro based on OE so I'll keep an eye open for that. Nov 06 21:37:17 later Nov 06 21:40:51 good evening Nov 06 21:40:59 hi mickey|amsterdam Nov 06 21:42:08 ok good night everyone! Koen, tell me about your armv6 build ... btw who is this Irg working with iMX31 you talked about ? Nov 06 21:53:28 koen: it seems so:( I wanted to avoid building own image as much as possible, but tomorrow I'll probably compile it. Thanks and sorry. Nov 06 21:53:30 Longfield: liam girdwood from wolfson micro Nov 06 21:53:36 hey mickey|amsterdam Nov 06 21:53:45 mickey|amsterdam: 17.5 hours left :) Nov 06 21:54:40 hehe Nov 06 21:54:51 perhaps even less Nov 06 21:55:03 i've heard there will be a press release Nov 06 21:55:09 cool Nov 06 21:55:20 * koen wants pictures and specs :) Nov 06 21:55:30 you'll get both Nov 06 21:55:32 yay! Nov 06 21:55:40 it's almost like christmas Nov 06 21:56:07 for you.... for me it's depressing given what work has to be done :D Nov 06 21:56:29 but it's all exciting, and this makes it bearable Nov 06 21:57:18 i had a coupe of bitterballen tonite Nov 06 21:57:21 man, these are great Nov 06 21:57:30 :) Nov 06 21:57:42 not exactly a diet though :) Nov 06 22:00:02 mickey|amsterdam: I'm watching with interest :) Nov 06 22:00:35 mickey|amsterdam: the 'kroket' is the elongated form of bitterballen Nov 06 22:00:46 mickey|amsterdam: very good on a bun during lunch :) Nov 06 22:01:08 hehe Nov 06 22:02:35 amsterdam has a bit of that venice flair with all its canals and bridges Nov 06 22:03:36 s/canals/cannabis/ Nov 06 22:03:44 heh Nov 06 22:03:46 great asian food on the 'zeedijk' Nov 06 22:04:22 you know the place when all the streetsigns also have a chinese translation :) Nov 06 22:05:26 i hope i have the time to wander a bit around on thrusday Nov 06 22:05:30 thursday, even Nov 06 22:08:07 ping do13 Nov 06 22:09:09 good night:) Nov 06 22:15:41 * cbrake is very impressed what CONFIG_PREEMPT does for his real-time process :-) Nov 06 22:36:38 night. Nov 06 22:43:25 shouldn't linux-openzaurus-2.6.18+git be renamed to linux-openzaurus-2.6.19+git ? it downloads the revision tagged ae99a78af33f00565a05dbbc6ca9b247fed002c5, which is the v2.6.19-rc4^{} according to http://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git/info/refs Nov 06 22:43:55 hi Nov 06 22:44:11 hi CoreDump|home Nov 06 22:44:29 What is this annoucement that I hear about? Nov 06 22:45:00 we will know tomorrow =) Nov 06 22:45:12 oh. It's that much of mystery? Nov 06 22:45:21 Is it h/w or s/w? :) Nov 06 22:45:53 * VoodooZ is just too curious! Nov 06 22:46:22 both Nov 06 22:46:28 * CoreDump|home believes it to be a mixture of both Nov 06 22:46:32 meh =) Nov 06 22:51:33 i need to catch some sleep... tomorrow will be a long day Nov 06 22:51:36 g'3night folks Nov 06 22:52:31 <|jbs|> 3 Nov 06 22:59:49 hi Nov 06 23:01:40 koen: the patch didn't work Nov 06 23:02:46 it won't apply to package.bbclass, as the differences between the dev and the oz354 versions are too big Nov 06 23:06:46 'night all Nov 07 00:40:17 should patches to bb recipes be sent to the mailinglist or entered in bugzilla? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 07 02:59:56 2006