**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 30 02:59:57 2006 Nov 30 07:58:17 good morning all Nov 30 07:59:02 morning Nov 30 08:00:49 morning all Nov 30 08:09:00 hey koen, goxboxlive, vlo|work Nov 30 08:13:19 hey pH5 Nov 30 08:13:59 hey pH5 Nov 30 08:24:47 i've a little question , i'm trying to generate 2 jffs2 images Nov 30 08:24:54 i do that in my machine.conf : Nov 30 08:24:56 http://pastebin.ca/262223 Nov 30 08:25:22 any idea ? Nov 30 08:27:22 funniest thing happend. I tried out a script i found on the intrenet. It was name 'do_cleanrc'. It was meant to clean all dependsies for the in example opie-image. The reason i wanted to try it out was becasue it wouldnt clean my toolchain and such time demanding operations. But guess what it did. It cleaned the toolachain and the other time demanding packages, and not any opie applications. Nov 30 08:30:13 i think i've found Nov 30 08:35:12 I also noticed that the script was using 'bbread' as a command. I changed it to 'bitbake -e'. Could that be the reason? Nov 30 08:44:17 morning Nov 30 08:45:05 RP: http://en.pastebin.ca/262236 Nov 30 08:45:23 hey zecke Nov 30 08:45:56 hey! Nov 30 08:46:07 how do i create a feed file so i can use tmp/deploy/ipk as feed source ? Nov 30 08:46:16 pH5: BTW: did you finish your Diplomarbeit yet? Nov 30 08:46:35 rob_w: bitbake package-index will update the index Nov 30 08:46:44 zecke, thanks Nov 30 08:46:56 rob_w: and then either make this dir fetchable through apache/cheroke/iis Nov 30 08:47:16 rob_w: or use file:/// in your /etc/ipkg/* :) Nov 30 08:47:34 apache , bah ,, yeah i i will put it in etc/ipkg Nov 30 08:48:06 zecke: not yet. only one month left... Nov 30 08:50:47 morning all Nov 30 08:50:50 03rpurdie * r710 10bitbake/lib/bb/shell.py: shell.py: Fix typo (thanks to pH5 for spotting) Nov 30 08:52:21 hey RP Nov 30 08:54:46 hey RP Nov 30 08:54:57 is 'bitbake -i' supposed to work in trunk? Nov 30 09:00:14 I get this with 'bitbake -i': http://rafb.net/paste/results/5s47HV56.html Nov 30 09:00:46 r710, that is Nov 30 09:04:34 03rpurdie * r711 10bitbake/bin/bitbake: bin/bitbake: Fix incorrect variable reference Nov 30 09:05:04 koen: svn up ;-) Nov 30 09:08:17 pH5: good luck :) Nov 30 09:08:40 RP: seems to work again, thanks! Nov 30 09:13:54 morning Nov 30 09:14:03 hey hrw|work Nov 30 09:14:23 RP: thx for bbsh Nov 30 09:15:25 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r1b0bce82... 10/ (1 packages/angstrom/task-angstrom-x11.bb): task-angstrom-x11: exploit *_FEATURES a bit more Nov 30 09:15:33 hrw|work: :) Nov 30 09:28:38 hi Nov 30 09:28:48 hey greentux Nov 30 09:29:50 hi koen Nov 30 09:29:56 hi rp? Nov 30 09:30:15 hi greentux Nov 30 09:30:22 RP: do You know if I can switch of USB power by software? Nov 30 09:30:26 hi hrw|work Nov 30 09:31:28 RP: do You know if I can switch off USB power by software? Nov 30 09:32:38 hi greentux Nov 30 09:32:57 greentux: The kernel can certainly do it, I'm not sure if its exported to userspace or not Nov 30 09:33:24 RP: kernel would be ok, so the usb host modul can do that? Nov 30 09:34:05 greentux: you write to an entry in /sys if I recall right Nov 30 09:34:22 greentux: and can power down the usb hubs Nov 30 09:34:31 s/hubs/controllers/ Nov 30 09:34:32 greentux: I'm 95% sure it can Nov 30 09:34:44 XorA: hi, and then the usb device is full powerd off? Nov 30 09:34:58 greentux: AFAIK yes, I think hrw|work had a play with it Nov 30 09:38:35 hrw|work: do You have a hint for me? Nov 30 09:41:17 I did not get any results Nov 30 09:41:54 XorA: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1629 Nov 30 09:46:51 koen: loadkeys? Nov 30 09:47:37 can anyone help me on how i get a linux image for a jornada 565 pda? Nov 30 09:47:56 how do i start making an image? can i take an existing one? what bootloader? how do i start? Nov 30 09:50:07 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6462226046.html Nov 30 09:50:11 hrw|work: ok, will check that Nov 30 09:50:22 The DMS-02 combines a pair of ARM9-EJ cores with 24 FPU. Nov 30 09:50:38 interesting it could be Nov 30 09:54:54 * koen wants Nov 30 09:55:06 a life Nov 30 09:55:07 :p Nov 30 10:08:15 http://bec-systems.com/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=57&Itemid=9 Nov 30 10:08:15 this should be noted someone on OE website Nov 30 10:08:15 cbrake wrote nice thing Nov 30 10:14:34 03xora 07org.oe.dev * re5838be9... 10/ (1 packages/mplayer/files/Makefile.patch): Nov 30 10:14:34 mplayer/files/Makefile.patch : refresh and fix a small cross compile problem Nov 30 10:14:34 seen on some hosts. Nov 30 10:19:37 task-base will get kernel24 support Nov 30 10:20:41 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0db4d787... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): mplayer: remove Obsolete Palmtop Integrated Environment from section Nov 30 10:22:15 is their a particular vector format that OE supports more than another? Nov 30 10:31:15 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r7d963e96... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-base.bb): task-base: added support for 2.4 kernels Nov 30 10:31:21 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rb0f2d6bb... 10/ (1 conf/machine/collie.conf): collie: converted to task-base Nov 30 10:35:11 RP: I'm going to remove 2.4 configs for rest of Z in next commit - what is your opinion? Nov 30 10:35:23 any idea why this error would show when building bootstrap-image for x86 using distro/generic but for gcc 3.4.4 ? Nov 30 10:35:27 ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-bootstrap: Nov 30 10:35:28 | libgcc1 (>= 3.4.4) Nov 30 10:35:44 shouldn't that be included by default ? Nov 30 10:35:57 Ifaistos: ls tmp/deploy/ipk/libgcc* please Nov 30 10:36:56 * XorA_ wonders if that is the rwhitby bug showing again Nov 30 10:37:03 ls tmp/deploy/ipk/libgcc* Nov 30 10:37:04 tmp/deploy/ipk/libgcc-s-dev_3.4.4-r4_x86_64.ipk tmp/deploy/ipk/libgcc1_3.4.4-r4_x86_64.ipk Nov 30 10:37:33 Ifaistos: when did you last mtn pull? Nov 30 10:37:34 'bootstrap-image for x86' gave x86_64... Nov 30 10:37:42 XorA_: I bet Nov 30 10:37:48 couple of days ago Nov 30 10:38:02 Ifaistos: you need to pull again and rebuild gcc-cross then should work Nov 30 10:39:52 XorA: Thanks. Nov 30 10:40:36 uclibc seems to have also issues with x86. Nov 30 11:00:16 re Nov 30 11:00:25 hrw|work: You mean poodle/tosa? If so, that's fine with me Nov 30 11:02:05 RP: also drop or corgi/husky/borzoi names? Nov 30 11:08:56 hrw|work: They do serve a purpose in that they tell people the right machine to use... Nov 30 11:10:14 ok Nov 30 11:14:13 ~lart GTK developers for lack of any usability of gtk filerequester Nov 30 11:14:13 * ibot_ drops a humongous exploding nuke on GTK developers for lack of any usability of gtk filerequester Nov 30 11:15:05 'if you want to know filesize you will need to open extra filemanager because we do not show it for you' Nov 30 11:15:08 LAMERS Nov 30 11:17:32 RP: I want to move ALL common stuff to include/zaurus-2.6.conf Nov 30 11:17:41 will show diff Nov 30 11:23:17 GUI_MACHINE_CLASS GPE_EXTRA_INSTALL - are they used? Nov 30 11:24:31 GUI_MACHINE_CLASS is usefull, GPE_EXTRA_INSTALL is a distro thing Nov 30 11:24:42 so keep GUI_MACHINE and kill GPE_EXTRA Nov 30 11:24:46 MACHINE_GUI_CLASS it should be rather Nov 30 11:25:16 SCREEN_SIZE would be a better name Nov 30 11:25:26 still wrong, but better Nov 30 11:25:47 as MACHINE_SCREEN_SIZE = "qvga/vga/svga/xga/wxga"? Nov 30 11:25:56 I wanted to use it for selecting between abiword and abiword-embedded Nov 30 11:26:16 I do not like bigscreen/smallscreen Nov 30 11:26:32 progear should then be biggerscreen or largescreen Nov 30 11:26:34 etc Nov 30 11:27:08 6 files changed, 27 insertions(+), 58 deletions(-) Nov 30 11:27:14 zaurus 2.6 changes Nov 30 11:28:13 Ideally, you want a set of numbers so you cna do comparisions. SCREEN_QVGA = 10 SCREEN_VGA = 20 SCREEN_QVGA = 30 MACHINE_SCREEN_SIZE = "${SCREEN_QVGA}". if $MACHINE_SCREEN_SIZE >= SCREEN_VGA Nov 30 11:28:37 http://pastebin.ca/262309 Nov 30 11:28:55 opinions? Nov 30 11:29:30 pastebin.ca doesn't work over here Nov 30 11:29:39 at least not within my attention span Nov 30 11:29:45 hrw|work: Check the require inside zaurus-2.6.conf ;-) Nov 30 11:30:27 RP: good point ;) Nov 30 11:31:27 would 10qvga 20vga 30xga work as well, so you get best of both worlds? Nov 30 11:32:58 RP: other opinions? Nov 30 11:33:06 hrw|work: spitz should probably keep the pivot options since that configuration could still be used Nov 30 11:33:54 RP: spitz kernel does not support it. Nov 30 11:34:26 hrw|work: Change the defconfig and it would... Nov 30 11:34:44 RP: change config and it will work? Nov 30 11:35:10 hrw|work: Yes, it can boot from flash fine, its just not the default Nov 30 11:36:22 ok, will leave it Nov 30 11:37:37 hrw|work: The jffs2 commands can probably be moved from -clamshell to -2.6.conf Nov 30 11:37:45 hrw|work: other than that, it looks ok Nov 30 11:38:12 RP: 2.6.conf is used also by tosa which does not use header Nov 30 11:38:41 hrw|work: ah, right, fair enough :) Nov 30 11:43:50 03koen 07org.oe.dev * raa965681... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-proper-tools.bb): task-proper-tools: set arch to all Nov 30 11:45:58 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * ra51a2e55... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): poodle/tosa: drop 2.4 support Nov 30 11:46:16 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * ra97c08de... 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Nov 30 11:46:16 Zaurus configs: unified all machines Nov 30 11:46:16 - common stuff is now in include/zaurus-2.6.conf Nov 30 11:46:16 - tosa rrecommends wlan-ng modules instead of depending on them Nov 30 12:06:26 6 Nov 30 12:07:53 5 Nov 30 12:07:58 higher Nov 30 12:08:37 koen: I should change the error message of my the gcc patch Nov 30 12:08:47 koen: "You are supposed to fix this and send a patch" Nov 30 12:09:32 no, just prepend it with "This error message is very clear and contains all the info you need to fix it: " Nov 30 12:10:00 Use typewriter if you don't understand this error message :} Nov 30 12:10:13 or do it like glibc: " ***** Zecke detected ***** wrong include path" Nov 30 12:10:20 You computer will explode in 10s unless you fix this error! Nov 30 12:11:25 koen: I did a complete rebuilt yesterday and went down from glibc 2.5 to glibc 2.3.5+cvs20050627 - with the old version pthreads work Nov 30 12:11:39 with 2.5, no matter if OABI or EABI - I can not launch threads Nov 30 12:11:44 that's a starting point Nov 30 12:12:01 indeed Nov 30 12:12:13 Jin^eLD: I ran you test on a 2.5 system, and it seemed to work Nov 30 12:12:19 yes, I know Nov 30 12:12:30 so the question is - why is it failing here? Nov 30 12:12:37 buggy kernel? Nov 30 12:12:49 hmm, that could be Nov 30 12:13:01 unfrotunately I do not know much about kernel hacking Nov 30 12:13:08 where would I start looking? Nov 30 12:13:40 to be precise - mmap seems to be failing with out of mem Nov 30 12:14:34 koen: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5567800205.html looks like everyone is using the award winning Qtopia Nov 30 12:15:30 yeah Nov 30 12:18:24 hi all Nov 30 12:18:39 hey ade|desk Nov 30 12:19:18 hrw|work: removal.txt has some entries by you that are blank as far as i can tell ... what are they really ? Nov 30 12:21:00 ops. Nov 30 12:21:28 koen: so any hints you could give me? any starting point? Nov 30 12:21:47 I'm out of ideas, so I just blame the kernel Nov 30 12:21:52 :) Nov 30 12:32:04 hi people, I have a question Nov 30 12:32:16 is it possible to let OE build only a few locales when building glibc? Nov 30 12:32:42 I have to wait several hours for tons of locales I don't use, until they are built Nov 30 12:32:48 ArjanS: RP once had a patch, I have not tracked progress on it though Nov 30 12:34:15 so it's not yet possible with stock OE? too bad Nov 30 12:35:30 ArjanS: well the patch has shown it is possible, it seems no one picked it up and went for the 100% Nov 30 12:36:34 zecke: ok, thanks for the answer! I'll just wait another few hours until it is done :) Nov 30 12:36:53 hehe Nov 30 12:37:07 hrw|work: qemu-native build is still broken, should I look into fixing it? Nov 30 12:39:36 I patched libxine for gcc4 but now I am running into trouble with compiling totem it says that it cannot find the gnome-libs Nov 30 12:39:37 zecke: it was in .dev or .oz354x? Nov 30 12:40:56 ok, I see Nov 30 12:41:24 -#include is the fedora patch Nov 30 12:42:28 ok Nov 30 12:42:38 Zecke: Do I need to arrange sleeping space for t-dose ? Nov 30 12:44:03 gerwinin: I chicken-out due unexpected test on monday :( Nov 30 12:44:21 *sorry* Nov 30 12:45:19 Zecke: Is koen comming ? Nov 30 12:45:32 yes! Nov 30 12:45:48 gerwinin: want to join likewise and me for dinner on saturday? Nov 30 12:45:56 Koen: I will be showing my oe settop box ! Nov 30 12:46:00 Koen: for sure Nov 30 12:46:37 should we reserve places somewhere? Nov 30 12:46:59 Likewise: no in eindhoven there are so many restaurants :) Nov 30 12:48:18 Koen: I managed to start firefox automatically but than it doesn't open any new window Nov 30 12:48:21 koen: will you be alone, or do you have company? Nov 30 12:48:29 alone Nov 30 12:48:59 koen owns no company yet Nov 30 12:49:21 btw: what is 'plaats' in astridhotel.be reservation form? Nov 30 12:49:41 Zecke: I will take Koen to a place called the o'sheas to arrange some company Nov 30 12:49:44 hrw: place Nov 30 12:49:48 thx Nov 30 12:49:49 hrw|work: "place" Nov 30 12:50:56 There is no OE group reservation for FOSDEM? Nov 30 12:51:24 apparently not Nov 30 12:51:50 koen: ok, then maybe we should mention this in the OE thread, so that ppl start make reservations themselves. Nov 30 12:51:59 please do Nov 30 12:52:06 yup, ok Nov 30 12:52:20 I'm still in doubt wether to stay sunday evening as well Nov 30 12:52:29 koen: me too... Nov 30 12:52:43 koen: you mean, reserve one extra night, right? Nov 30 12:52:49 yes Nov 30 12:54:24 Shall I mention a preferrence for astrid then? Nov 30 12:54:34 likewise: it was mentioned already Nov 30 12:55:24 heh.. today I feel badly... someone want to exchange backs with no-pain version? Nov 30 12:55:48 hi all Nov 30 12:55:58 hi you Nov 30 12:58:01 koen: PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-libc-headers - what exactly are those libc headers? are those the kernel headers or is it something different? because I see that the number used in distros there does not match the number of the glibc, so those are probably not the glibc headers? Nov 30 12:58:35 zecke: that problem with qemu-native is only if host has l-l-h >2.6.17? Nov 30 12:58:47 hrw|work: likely Nov 30 12:59:08 but with edgy and fedora out it is likely to occur more often Nov 30 13:01:40 RP: hrw|work is it ok to add XSERVER = "xserver-kdrive-w100" to c7x0.conf Nov 30 13:01:43 RP: only for information... while unloading loading the usb host controller the power is on... :) also after shut down th epc (atx) :) Nov 30 13:01:57 XorA: then do it? Nov 30 13:02:04 Jin^eLD: those are sanitized kernel-headers for building glibc Nov 30 13:02:14 koen: I think I will chicken out on sunday evening. Nov 30 13:02:39 I have return plane on 21:15 iirc Nov 30 13:02:41 likewise: I'm back in enschede saturday night/sunday morning Nov 30 13:02:49 likewise: aaargh, you mean fosdem Nov 30 13:02:55 koen: yes Nov 30 13:03:17 koen: what do you mean by "sanitized"? can this be somehow related to my problem, that the kernel headers to not match my kernel and thus something goes wrong with glibc 2.5? Nov 30 13:03:19 eindhoven is a bit closer to brussels as enschede Nov 30 13:03:31 koen: yes, you are right. Nov 30 13:04:05 hrw|work: OE will get another !zaurus project device Nov 30 13:05:06 koen: anything cool? Nov 30 13:05:16 XorA: acer n30 Nov 30 13:05:26 and a arm920 board on loan Nov 30 13:06:05 arm920 sucks :-) Nov 30 13:10:10 Koen: Can we make a lease pool Nov 30 13:10:43 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r097f943b... 10/ (1 conf/machine/c7x0.conf): c7x0.conf : set XSERVER to xw100 Nov 30 13:11:17 XorA: Fine with me. You might also need to update the xserver scripts Nov 30 13:11:27 :) Nov 30 13:11:51 RP: the xserver scripts on OE will use Xw100 when present Nov 30 13:11:55 RP: all else is done Nov 30 13:14:00 XorA: Still the same error even after pulling latest OE Nov 30 13:14:24 Ifaistos: I didnt deal with fixing that one, see koen Nov 30 13:15:26 Ifaistos: did you rebuild gcc-cross? Nov 30 13:16:10 koen : cleaned tmp\ and started from scratch Nov 30 13:17:09 koen : One thing i noticed will building gcc-cross-3.4.4 was a message : FATAL: kernel too old Nov 30 13:17:16 * XorA still has problems with objdump failing at random :-( Nov 30 13:22:27 koen: there is a glibc_2.4.bb file around, but when I say PREFERRED_VERSION_glibc = "2.4" it says 2.4 is not available and takes 2.5 - why? :> Nov 30 13:23:23 2.4 is a bit broken for arm iirc Nov 30 13:36:17 Koen: How can I fix the package totem for a broken gnome-libs thing ? Nov 30 13:37:00 gerwinin: your best bet is to ask CosmicPenguin Nov 30 13:47:54 koen: so which one is the "latest" before 2.5 that works for arm? I'd like to go as close to 2.5 as possible and then look for differences Nov 30 14:48:11 03slapinid 07org.oe.dev * r48ac4b4d... 10/ (1 packages/valgrind packages/valgrind/valgrind_3.2.1.bb): Nov 30 14:48:11 valgrind: New package, memory debugging tool. Nov 30 14:48:11 * Only x86. Nov 30 14:48:11 * Contributed by Sergey Lapin (#1614). Nov 30 14:59:56 valgrind's kinda cool :) Nov 30 15:11:12 darn flaky power! I need a UPS for my home box bad. any recommendation for linux support. Nov 30 15:11:21 it's very usefull if you try to ptimize code Nov 30 15:11:58 ummm. PXA3x0 -> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36049 Nov 30 15:14:19 finally Nov 30 15:29:22 bah ... Marvell is coming too late with their PXA3x0 ! Nov 30 15:31:08 some others (Freescale for instance) have already taken slot left free by Intel ! Nov 30 15:41:54 Anybody had any time with h5150? Got a problem thats got me stuck. Nov 30 15:59:11 morning Nov 30 15:59:31 hey chouimat Nov 30 16:16:41 I'm trying to get kernel module autoloading to work. Do the files in /etc/modutils end up in the kernel-image-... ipk file? Nov 30 16:16:42 cbrake: they should Nov 30 16:17:13 cbrake: and they do (checked today build) Nov 30 16:17:52 but they wont work on target as modprobe expects them in /etc/modprobe.d Nov 30 16:18:19 XorA: then fix kernel.bbclass Nov 30 16:18:39 hrw|work: no, because the info that is in them is also not valid Nov 30 16:20:15 hrw|work: all those pmccia:XXXXX lines barf modprobe Nov 30 16:20:34 cbrake: 're u here? the problem was with glibc 2.5 - the older 2.3 works for me with threads; so far no ideas how to debug / fix it - do you have any input on this? Nov 30 16:20:51 so does the module_autoload mechanism work then? Nov 30 16:21:22 cbrake: yes as that ends up in /etc/modules Nov 30 16:22:21 Jin^eLD: no, nothing comes to mind. What hardware are you running on? Nov 30 16:22:44 cbrake: some arm9 dev board, created a custom machine for it Nov 30 16:22:55 Jin^eLD: what processor? Nov 30 16:23:12 Processor: ARM926EJ-Sid(wb) rev 4 (v5l) Nov 30 16:23:12 Processor: ARM926EJ-Sid(wb) rev 4 (v5l) Nov 30 16:23:15 oops Nov 30 16:23:19 sorry for the doublepaste :) Nov 30 16:23:44 Jin^eLD: who makes this processor? Nov 30 16:23:52 cbrake, I have recently used the autoloading.. You do just need to create an entry in /etc/modutils. Create any file and put the module name in the file and then run update-modules Nov 30 16:23:58 cbrake: you mean the board? Nov 30 16:24:18 Jin^eLD: no, the processor -- Intel, samsung, Atmel, etc. Nov 30 16:24:41 uh.. some swiss company I think Nov 30 16:25:04 there is no released linux for it yet Nov 30 16:25:18 so I would not be able to compare to another hardware I guess Nov 30 16:25:25 Jin^eLD: your not going to get on very well if you dont even know what cpu you are coding for Nov 30 16:25:26 Gerrath: did you use the module_autoload variables or just manually create the files in another package? Nov 30 16:26:00 cbrake: it works if you just create the module_autoload stuff like in linux-rp.inc Nov 30 16:26:12 cbrake: I was mixing that up with module options, which doesnt work Nov 30 16:26:32 XorA: well, to be very honest - I am not really close to hardware :) usually I do application level stuff where it does not matter so much; I guess that's one of the reasons I get stuck when things go deeper into hardware/kernel hacking/etc. Nov 30 16:27:08 Jin^eLD: the processor seems to be one of the big variables at this point. I might try to get a standard dev board (logicPD PXA270 board is $500 from digikey) and try that as a control. Nov 30 16:27:12 Jin^eLD: is you board open, you could just look at the chip and read :-) else dont you have schematics Nov 30 16:27:41 I am wondering if its a s3c2413 Nov 30 16:28:13 ok let me see Nov 30 16:29:01 http://www.bridgeco.com/pdfs/850/adp_dm850_01_pma_wadmp.pdf Nov 30 16:29:55 hmm Nov 30 16:30:04 not much hardware info in the pdf it seems Nov 30 16:30:31 I have some stuff from /proc/cpuinfo, would that help? Nov 30 16:31:09 Jin^eLD: looks like the DM850 does its own arm Nov 30 16:31:23 hmm Nov 30 16:31:23 Jin^eLD: well hopefully its not a kernel bug stopping you Nov 30 16:31:28 XorA: hmm, I'm doing the autoload stuff as in linux-rp.inc, but still not getting any /etc/modutils/* files in my kernel-image ipk. Nov 30 16:31:57 XorA: if I look in the build directory, they are located in the install directory, but not the image directory. hmm Nov 30 16:32:03 Jin^eLD, interesting Nov 30 16:32:10 cbrake: it will end up in kernel-module-* package Nov 30 16:32:21 http://www.bridgeco.com/pdfs/850/adp_dm850_02_pma_chip-overv.pdf Nov 30 16:32:23 well, how would I figure out what it is? I am not quite sure how to debug this issue Nov 30 16:32:44 Jin^eLD: Id stick with glibc 2.3.5 then Nov 30 16:32:52 Jin^eLD: 2.5 isnt stable anyway Nov 30 16:32:52 I wanted to use EABI... Nov 30 16:33:00 oh.. I did not know that Nov 30 16:33:05 Jin^eLD: thats not stable either Nov 30 16:33:14 Jin^eLD: why is EABI needed? Nov 30 16:33:25 Jin^eLD: interesting chip Nov 30 16:33:31 Jin^eLD: apps guys should use 2.3.5, toolchain hackers can try 2.5 :-) Nov 30 16:33:47 cbrake: it's not really needed, I just thought it'd be cool to try it, supposed to be faster? or am I wrong? Nov 30 16:34:23 time to get bus Nov 30 16:34:24 hrw|work: yep, quite cool Nov 30 16:35:01 well, the thing what made me unsure was that 2.3.5 is called glibc_2.3.5+cvs20050627 Nov 30 16:35:14 Jin^eLD: because it was fetched from cvs on that day Nov 30 16:35:20 so I thought maybe that was something "inbetween" or whatever, and 2.4 did not work Nov 30 16:35:23 Jin^eLD: there was no 2.3.5 tarball release Nov 30 16:35:27 oh Nov 30 16:35:28 I see Nov 30 16:35:38 2.3.2, then 2.3.6 iirc Nov 30 16:35:51 why is 2.3.6 not used in oe? Nov 30 16:36:26 hm. no.. tarballs exists. nevermind Nov 30 16:36:52 Jin^eLD: 2.3.5-cvs worked nicely, has our patchset so why bother to update? Nov 30 16:37:48 cu Nov 30 16:37:48 hrw|work: no idea :) I guess I know too little about the internals of it Nov 30 16:37:59 if you say it's fine I'll stick with it Nov 30 16:50:17 Jin^eLD: I don't think NPTL/EABI buy you much on ARM as they are pretty simple processors, but I have not done any benchmarking. Nov 30 16:51:56 hrw|gone: 2.3.5 was broken for arm, and pb was too lazy to extract the patch that fixed it Nov 30 16:58:05 One note about the recent bitbake. If an an INHERIT has a class that does not exist, it exits with a strange error -> ERROR: Unable to open conf/bitbake.conf Nov 30 16:58:31 which is also the case if you have tab/spaces mismatch Nov 30 17:04:58 try stracing it Nov 30 17:05:46 -DDD Nov 30 17:06:46 zecke: growing extra chins? Nov 30 17:06:56 * koen wonders what that smiley means Nov 30 17:07:32 Ifaistos: bitbake -DDD Nov 30 17:08:03 it will show which files it opens Nov 30 17:08:08 koen: yes, this is my shiny new beard Nov 30 17:08:08 btw, don't know if you have seen the email to the list, regarding FOSDEM leaflets etc. Nov 30 17:08:23 didn't mickeyl have a mockup? Nov 30 17:08:29 or was that gerwinin Nov 30 17:08:30 ? Nov 30 17:09:34 zecke : What i meant is that you get the same "error message" (which is strange IMHO) from 2 different reasons Nov 30 17:09:55 Ifaistos: yes, true Nov 30 17:10:42 koen : if you don't have something ready send me some texts and a couple of pics and i put our designs to work :) Let them do some pro-bono work also :)) Nov 30 17:13:23 cbrake, I manually created them in another package. Nov 30 17:18:03 * slapin_nb needs some pastebin engine... Nov 30 17:18:24 rafb.net Nov 30 17:19:23 * mrz80 is away: Metaphysically I'm still here; physically, I'm elsewhere Nov 30 17:25:00 koen : Any specific reason dht-walnut was removed from the machines ? I am asking as i am working now on it Nov 30 17:25:53 it was removed? Nov 30 17:26:21 argos-wlan:~/Projects/OpenEmbedded/org.openembedded.dev/conf/machine koen$ ls | grep dht Nov 30 17:26:21 dht-walnut.conf Nov 30 17:27:11 koen : hmmm. it seems that my last sync with the rep had a fw packages missing or something. Now i see it Nov 30 17:27:43 koen : thought it was removed for some reason Nov 30 17:42:20 Gerrath: looks like that is what I'll be doing shortly if module_autoload does not start doing its thing ... Nov 30 17:55:59 hello Nov 30 17:56:02 need some help Nov 30 17:56:20 hi Nov 30 17:56:43 I am trying to cross-compile kernel for arm Nov 30 17:57:19 can i do it the oe way using bitbake ? Nov 30 17:58:12 zecke any suggestions? Nov 30 17:58:43 oh sorry, I'm out of the door :( Nov 30 17:58:45 anushsh: sure, or you can just use the toolchain OE generates and build the kernel manually. Nov 30 17:59:13 anushsh: to build the kernel in OE, you will need to set up a bb file, etc. Nov 30 17:59:27 cbrake Nov 30 18:02:58 anushsh, what hardware are you running on? Nov 30 18:03:45 AMD with debian running over it Nov 30 18:03:59 Crofton|oe Nov 30 18:04:38 i've been run over by debian before - it smarts like the dickens Nov 30 18:04:50 anushsh: start with something close -- MACHINE=x86, DISTRO=generic and build bootstrap-image Nov 30 18:04:52 look in packages/linux and see if there is a bb file you can use Nov 30 18:05:50 ok cool Nov 30 18:06:04 anushsh: once you get that far, then start modifying things Nov 30 18:07:00 is there a good example I could follow in OE for enabling USB gadget support on a PXA270? Nov 30 18:08:15 ok, actually am trying to build an oe distro for a low-cost palm in India Nov 30 18:08:15 anushsh: ahh, so your HOST machine is AMD/debian. What is your target hardware? Nov 30 18:08:48 cbrake : its arm SA1100 Nov 30 18:10:03 i really need to check this window more often. Nov 30 18:10:28 ketnar why? Nov 30 18:12:31 anushsh: the amida? Nov 30 18:12:37 Well, you guys are talking near the question i have right now. Nov 30 18:12:54 koen : yeah . You got it right :D Nov 30 18:13:08 I got a 5150 here thats not liking the kernel that it was fed in the install image Nov 30 18:13:28 it basicly just stops after load. so im thinking, time to build one and make sure its the right arch Nov 30 18:13:39 anushsh: I love the game with the maze and accelerometers Nov 30 18:13:51 ..cant figure out where/how to specify that in the build system. :P Nov 30 18:13:55 koen : do you have an amida? Nov 30 18:14:16 anushsh: no, but I saw one in real life a while ago Nov 30 18:15:21 koen : oh cool. What do you do? .. i mean to earn a living :p Nov 30 18:15:34 ehm... Nov 30 18:15:37 I'm a student :) Nov 30 18:15:52 *g* Nov 30 18:16:04 koen is CEO of OE Inc. Nov 30 18:16:07 *g* Nov 30 18:16:50 koen : cool Nov 30 18:16:57 woglinde: I wish :) Nov 30 18:17:23 koen : if you are interested in this proj, lemme know :) Nov 30 18:17:42 anushsh hm the sa1100 is really Nov 30 18:17:43 old Nov 30 18:17:57 dont know why some one whould use it todays Nov 30 18:17:57 woglinde: and very cheap Nov 30 18:18:06 koen to cheap Nov 30 18:18:13 woglinde : i dont have enough powers to change the hardware Nov 30 18:18:17 because you have no spare parts Nov 30 18:18:22 Hmm, so OE can build gpe-images for ipaqs? Nov 30 18:18:35 poking through the wiki :P Nov 30 18:18:35 ketnar : yea :) Nov 30 18:18:43 anushsh: I can give you a hand with adding the kernel to OE Nov 30 18:18:54 well then whyb the crap am i screwing with familiar? >_< Nov 30 18:19:01 Pardon me while i go kick my own ass. Nov 30 18:19:02 koen : taht would be good Nov 30 18:19:45 ketnar : not too late :p Nov 30 18:19:55 I would like to have more time for simpad Nov 30 18:20:07 did touch it for 5 months or so Nov 30 18:38:13 zecke: you will attend fosdem, right? Nov 30 18:38:21 yes Nov 30 18:38:37 mickey|earlybird: may I abuse you again? Nov 30 18:41:08 mickey|earlybird is still recovering from getting up so early ;) Nov 30 18:43:43 Hey all. Is anyone an admin on the oesf.org forums? Nov 30 18:43:55 I cannot validate as a member :S Nov 30 18:44:25 ~oesf Nov 30 18:44:49 it has been said that oesf is rumour has it, oesf is newer name of ZUG - it provides forum for Zaurus/Ipaq/Simpad/etc users (see zug). It has nothing in common with OpenEmbedded (except for the first two letters), see http://www.oesf.org/ Nov 30 18:47:19 goats Nov 30 18:51:39 ok, fair enough Nov 30 18:52:11 does it have enough in common for an oesf forum member to be in this channel occasionally? Nov 30 19:03:17 * VoodooZ wonders how supported the Atmel AVR32 will be in OE Nov 30 19:03:35 Now that it's officially supported in 2.6.19 Nov 30 19:04:56 Voodooz : working on it :) Nov 30 19:05:16 nice! Nov 30 19:05:54 I've been using mostly AVRmegas in my robotics project so it would only make sense to have a AVR32 oversee them :) Nov 30 19:06:23 I guess it depends what kind of built-in H/W it has though as I need stuff like I2C/USB. Nov 30 19:07:01 Although i should not say this in this channel ;) it makes arm7/arm9 cry :) Nov 30 19:07:35 what do you mean? Nov 30 19:08:02 mpg4 decoding (approx 800kbits) @150 Mhz Nov 30 19:10:01 sweet Nov 30 19:13:04 earlybirdstomachflu? dude, wtf, quarantine! Nov 30 19:13:10 zecke: want to share a room with me again? Nov 30 19:13:52 The WORLD MOST SECURE PDA! http://www.stressballsuk.com/images/brick-80544.jpg Nov 30 19:14:29 Ifaistos: do you know of any popular processor that sports a similarl pixel co-processor? Nov 30 19:14:35 TheCompWiz, the real Personal Dense Assistant Nov 30 19:14:44 hahah Nov 30 19:14:57 It would be nice to have for doing basic image processing/color space conversion for my machine vision module Nov 30 19:15:19 thats not only secure, its a dynamic entry assistant. locked out of the house? just throw it at a window Nov 30 19:15:39 it's also been known to support 'open selfdefense' Nov 30 19:16:05 i hear if you get enough of them you can build quite a firewall. Nov 30 19:16:54 oh that reminds me, the guy whos sellin g me PDA's asked if i knew anybody else who might want some.. Nov 30 19:17:09 they are slightly used, some have a little wear, but they all function Nov 30 19:17:23 hes parting with them pretty cheap. Nov 30 19:17:29 Voodooz : Not that i know of. But there are so many things we don't know about (especially without an NDA) Nov 30 19:17:47 micky|stomachFlu: get well soon Nov 30 19:18:07 I had the stomach bug a couple days ago, not fun. Nov 30 19:22:46 Ifaistos: It really just computes a 3 coefficient linear equiation. it looks nice anyways. Nov 30 19:25:29 micky|stomachFlu: this time I would be happy to share costs as well... Nov 30 19:26:03 Voodooz : I am an AVR freak ;) myself - www.stelioscellar.com, although lost some of the files after a server crash Nov 30 19:26:05 " Why not just Nov 30 19:26:05 have the build system compile, run, and measure both rather than Nov 30 19:26:06 making the user decide?" Nov 30 19:26:10 * koen stabs carl worth Nov 30 19:27:54 re Nov 30 19:28:05 eek, ITU almost starts :} Nov 30 19:28:18 ITU? Nov 30 19:28:26 koen: ITU Hong Kong Nov 30 19:28:47 ITU Hong Kong? Nov 30 19:28:48 ITU hong kong? Nov 30 19:29:08 is this related to CSI:Middle of Nowhere? Nov 30 19:29:21 http://www.itu.int/WORLD2006/ Nov 30 19:29:27 CSI:elemetry school Nov 30 19:29:51 koen: I will ask steve to take pictures of the greensuite :) Nov 30 19:30:13 Ifaistos: cool. Let us know how your AVR32 exploration goes in the future then. I'm very interested. Nov 30 19:30:33 okay, good nite Nov 30 19:30:48 I've been using AVRs since 2000 so I'm also an avrfreak (.net) Nov 30 19:30:54 * mrz80 is back (gone 02:11:32) Nov 30 19:33:13 bbl Nov 30 19:37:04 re bug 1628: Could it be there is a version mismatch between glibc from openzaurus which is 2.3.5 and the one that libcap seems to expect which is 2.4? Nov 30 19:38:43 Laibsch: "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found " Nov 30 19:38:57 Laibsch: that file is on the *host*, not inside oe Nov 30 19:38:57 Yes, that is what I was hinting at. Nov 30 19:39:07 Oh, I see. Nov 30 19:39:24 I have openembedded-essential installed. Nov 30 19:43:12 * slapin_nb thinks if this http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Dominions%203%3A%20The%20Awakening worth money... Nov 30 19:43:38 koen: The file is a symbolic link to a file in the same directory. Thing is, the file is there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Z2o_ZqsF8 Now what? Nov 30 19:43:49 Wrong link, of course ;-) Nov 30 19:44:03 Here is the right one. http://rafb.net/paste/results/nUpcNM16.html Nov 30 19:44:12 btw, how about inclusion of some games like wesnoth to OE? Nov 30 19:56:21 re Nov 30 20:01:34 wb hrw Nov 30 20:01:44 guess whos changing to OE? :P Nov 30 20:04:08 Ketnar: your grandma? Nov 30 20:16:27 hrw: wb Nov 30 20:16:40 ~curse gtk for being shit Nov 30 20:16:47 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, gtk for being shit ! Nov 30 20:18:26 hrw: you just realised this? Nov 30 20:18:32 chouimat: no Nov 30 20:18:47 chouimat: I just got abused by it too much recently Nov 30 20:20:03 hrw: currently playing with the xenomai and stuff ... Nov 30 20:24:02 * koen wonders if xen works on arm Nov 30 20:27:39 http://www.hrw.one.pl/2006/11/30/gtk-filerequester-disaster-idea/ Nov 30 20:36:30 Does anyone have any tips on how to add a partition table to an ext2 image? Nov 30 20:38:51 RP: fdisk file, partition, loop mount? Nov 30 20:42:22 how does one loop-mount a partition? Nov 30 20:42:26 anyway, bbl Nov 30 20:42:37 create the file ... fdisk it and the create the image :) Nov 30 20:55:30 hi Dirk Nov 30 20:55:51 btw.. what you guys think about adding two new entries to OE website? Nov 30 20:55:54 1. Events Nov 30 20:56:24 2. Press (where we were noticed) (also webpress) Nov 30 20:56:28 hi Rod Nov 30 20:56:42 hrw: good idea Nov 30 20:57:22 CoreDump|afk: losetup takes an offset parameter... Nov 30 20:58:25 hrw go for it Nov 30 20:58:39 koen: events split into years, press into other way maybe Nov 30 20:58:51 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r97503cc2... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): gcc-cross: add patch to BUG on using host includes. Thx goes to Holger 'zecke' Freyther. Nov 30 20:59:37 ~hail zecke Nov 30 20:59:44 * ibot bows down to zecke and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Nov 30 20:59:47 hm Nov 30 20:59:50 OMG gcc is broken Nov 30 20:59:52 what did gcc wrong Nov 30 20:59:57 you should use zgcc Nov 30 20:59:59 oh Nov 30 21:00:04 oz tree Nov 30 21:00:06 okay Nov 30 21:00:15 woglinde: I was emulating a zaurus user Nov 30 21:00:22 woglinde: .dev use this patch already Nov 30 21:00:31 hrw yes I thought so Nov 30 21:00:37 koen hm zgc 2.95.2? Nov 30 21:00:43 zgcc? Nov 30 21:00:47 koen: time to prepare agcc image Nov 30 21:01:28 chouimat: z like zaurus Nov 30 21:01:41 z like ztupid Nov 30 21:01:42 hrw: k Nov 30 21:08:42 http://www.openembedded.org/events Nov 30 21:09:00 You are not authorized to access this page. Nov 30 21:09:04 login? Nov 30 21:09:42 [ ] published -> [x] published Nov 30 21:10:24 2 december - T-DOSE Nov 30 21:10:42 ? Nov 30 21:10:49 ~lart drupal for lack of any formatting help Nov 30 21:10:51 * ibot plops drupal into a giant vat of herring for lack of any formatting help Nov 30 21:11:13 hrw: howdy Nov 30 21:11:53 I had a kernel module dependency problem yesterday (I moved some modules into the kernel compile, but the image building was still looking for them as dependencies of other kernel modules that didn't get compiled it). Nov 30 21:12:29 Rebuilding everything from scratch fixed it, but I was wondering where that information was being cached, cause I blew away staging/kernel and the work and stamps for the kernel and image packages. Nov 30 21:12:58 rwhitby: Does some package not contain a list of module dependencies? Nov 30 21:13:17 rwhitby: one module or all? Nov 30 21:13:25 koen: add t-dose Nov 30 21:14:05 rwhitby: I'm thinking of things like the task-* packages Nov 30 21:15:41 RP: no, this was real basic kernel module dependencies on each other - no userland involved Nov 30 21:15:58 rwhitby: one module lacked deps or all modules? Nov 30 21:16:21 rwhitby: Were there still old module packages in tmp/deploy/ipk ? Nov 30 21:16:52 the rootfs build was complaining that a kernel module depended on a second kernel module, where the second kernel module had been compiled into the kernel now. Nov 30 21:16:53 rwhitby: if all then check KERNEL_RELEASE var. if one/few then check their dependencies in Kconfig Nov 30 21:17:04 ah. such one Nov 30 21:17:18 RP: I deleted all ipks for the kernel modules which are now compiled in Nov 30 21:17:46 RP: how's apt doing in poky images nowadays? Nov 30 21:18:42 koen: I pronounced rootfs_deb working this morning Nov 30 21:18:50 RP: cool Nov 30 21:19:08 koen: It has nasty hacks in it but the images boot... Nov 30 21:19:30 koen: the hacks are clearly marked, patches welcome to fix them :) Nov 30 21:19:35 :) Nov 30 21:19:54 RP: I wonder how the debian/EABI dudes will take that Nov 30 21:20:02 (bascially dpkg wants to use /var/dpkg which messes up with a tmpfs Nov 30 21:20:07 they haven't produced anything yet Nov 30 21:20:34 cu Nov 30 21:20:49 cu hrw|gone Nov 30 21:20:50 speaking of debian/EABI, is OE going to follow the "armel" name for EABI/LE ? Nov 30 21:21:08 no, we don't support political nonsense Nov 30 21:21:10 * RP hopes not Nov 30 21:21:34 arm has too many ABIs to differentiate Nov 30 21:21:45 RP: http://www.openembedded.org/bonsai/view/scm/6/ is very informative :) Nov 30 21:21:48 armle + armbe maybe :D Nov 30 21:22:16 armstrudel Nov 30 21:23:52 so OE is staying with arm/armeb irrespective of abi ? Nov 30 21:24:39 most likely Nov 30 21:24:53 rwhitby: I'm not sure changing buys us much apart from a lot of hastle Nov 30 21:24:53 we don't differentiate between soft and hardfloat either Nov 30 21:25:08 fine by me - someone just asked me and I didn't have the official answer :-) Nov 30 21:25:14 koen the armstrudel come with or without hair? ;) Nov 30 21:25:46 rwhitby: Unless someone comes up with a convincing argument... :) Nov 30 21:29:28 * koen wonders how to tell armv4t, armv5t and armv6 archs apart with 'armel' Nov 30 21:30:01 hmmm Nov 30 21:30:01 koen what is this BS about? Nov 30 21:30:13 koen: We'd need armlv4t, armlv5te etc :) Nov 30 21:30:21 I spot a problem with supporting both pxa320 and imx31 Nov 30 21:31:38 ~lart intel for still not having a vfp Nov 30 21:31:39 * ibot readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at intel for still not having a vfp Nov 30 21:32:30 do we have a decent upnp renderer in OE? Nov 30 21:34:35 pxa320 is armv6 ? Nov 30 21:34:51 it's arm11 so it should be armv6 Nov 30 21:34:58 but you'll never know Nov 30 21:35:04 it's still intel.... Nov 30 21:35:15 is it really arm11 ? or intel's implementation ? Nov 30 21:35:29 it is said to be arm11 Nov 30 21:36:19 I read it on linuxdevices, so chances are it's not arm11 Nov 30 21:37:31 cause for instance xscale never was arm core ... it used ARM IS, but not ARM core ... I would be surprised they changed this now Nov 30 21:38:10 right Nov 30 21:38:20 hihi Nov 30 21:38:21 http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/teensy.html Nov 30 21:44:04 what do you guys think about this pxa320 ? Nov 30 21:45:29 IMHO, it wont have as much success as its predecessors Nov 30 21:46:16 vlo: it's an intel design, so it's powered by marketing Nov 30 21:46:23 OMG!!! 1200MHz!!!!!! Nov 30 21:46:30 like that Nov 30 21:46:34 hm not marvel? Nov 30 21:47:01 marvel produces it, but it's still an intel design Nov 30 21:47:10 okay okay Nov 30 21:47:18 koen: true ! but I think Intel selling the whole branch is strong hint Nov 30 21:47:27 yeah Nov 30 21:47:48 time to watch NCIS Nov 30 21:47:51 later all Nov 30 21:47:52 I think they were a bit disapointed and are pointing towards very low-power x86 Nov 30 21:47:57 koen: Do you have any idea what might be causing the problem I see in bug 1628 and http://rafb.net/paste/results/nUpcNM16.html ? Nov 30 22:08:06 koen|away, apparently the EFIKA boards start shipping today! Nov 30 22:28:49 Crofton|oe: great news! Nov 30 22:53:23 kergoth: ping Nov 30 23:09:20 re Nov 30 23:10:02 heh.. that teensy.html page reminds me compo 'who will write shorter helloworld for amigaos' ;D Nov 30 23:12:03 anyway I go sleep. I'm a bit suprised that network connection still works. It had to be dropped today. Nov 30 23:12:22 now I will get some days without net at home ;) Nov 30 23:15:42 hrw: sorry to hear that... I guess you'll spend more time at "work" :) Nov 30 23:17:40 it was planned Nov 30 23:18:09 I just did not had a time to take care of one paper so getting net at home will takes some time Nov 30 23:18:44 http://imdb.com/title/tt0421974/ - nice movie Nov 30 23:18:48 just watched ;d Nov 30 23:22:05 cu Nov 30 23:33:46 what's the right magic for do_install_append_${PN} - that doesn't seem to work. Nov 30 23:56:50 HopsNBarley: "do_install" does the install for all packages, so no ${PN} is needed (or supported). So you should just be using do_install_append. Nov 30 23:57:01 is *not* needed... Nov 30 23:57:23 i figured out that it wouldn't do what i want anyway - you can do_install_append_DISTRO, and that works... Nov 30 23:58:36 HopsNBarley: Yes, DISTRO is in overrides so that workds. You can also use machine or target arch as well. Nov 30 23:58:44 problem is i want to "split" a directory - part of it going into ${PN}-doc, and part into ${PN}. Nov 30 23:59:24 HopsNBarley: http://www.openembedded.info/wiki/Bitbake_recipes#Packages_and_files Nov 30 23:59:46 Does that help? You need to explicitly declare the files that go into each package. Dec 01 00:00:41 i'm actually beyond that (pat, pat) - i'm trying to split ${datadir}/${PN}. I guess I could override the whole shooting match, but trying not to. Dec 01 00:00:48 03philippe 07org.oe.dev * r602a724d... 10/ (1 packages/gpe-mini-browser/gpe-mini-browser_0.19.bb): Dec 01 00:00:48 gpe-mini-browser 0.19 Dec 01 00:00:48 * changed URI to http://gpe.linuxtogo.org/download/source/ as ftp.handhelds is the old location (and down again) Dec 01 00:02:25 HopsNBarley: To split it you'll have to specify each of the files. No way around. You can use wildcards. Also any files matched for a package will not be available later, so you can just specify the files for the package with the smaller number and leave the later package containing them all (may need to change the package order). Dec 01 00:03:08 thanks for clearing that up. i was just trying to be lazy (-; Dec 01 00:30:09 HopsNBarley: you can also use some inline python or call a python function you define in the bbfile to get the right files into the FILES var Dec 01 01:22:29 ibot, seen kergoth? Dec 01 01:22:47 kergoth is currently on #wowi-lounge #oe #wowace #elinux. Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 6h 13m 23s, last said: 'i have a solution, somani. stop alt clicking them'. Dec 01 01:23:13 ibot, kergoth? Dec 01 01:23:17 i guess kergoth is Chris Larson, an open source developer currently working for Openedhand Ltd (o-hand.com), remotely, from AZ. Core developer on OpenZaurus, OpenEmbedded/BitBake, and TSlib. Often the resident BOFH, and often an ass. Newbies and the clueless beware. Dec 01 01:23:27 hmm, anyone have his current email address? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 01 02:59:58 2006