**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 15 02:59:57 2006 Dec 15 03:44:53 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r198c94fe... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): quagga: Added 0.99.6, removed 0.99.3. Dec 15 03:44:59 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r41e48b26... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): clamav: Added 0.88.7, removed 0.88.5. Dec 15 04:37:46 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r9f17bb47... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Dec 15 04:37:46 iproute2: Move common parts of the recipes for 2.6.16 and 2.6.18 into Dec 15 04:37:46 iproute2.inc. Dec 15 07:13:06 morning Dec 15 07:14:04 good morning all Dec 15 07:14:43 vlo hi ! Dec 15 07:48:41 XorA|gone: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angstrom-distro-devel/2006-December/000036.html Dec 15 07:48:48 later all Dec 15 08:22:21 morning Dec 15 08:26:11 morning Dec 15 08:35:42 re Dec 15 08:35:53 re Koen Dec 15 08:36:32 hey hrw|work Dec 15 08:36:42 * koen spots a not so gone XorA Dec 15 08:36:49 XorA: respun images available Dec 15 08:37:47 koen: I saw, well done Dec 15 08:37:58 koen: now hopefully someone has a bright spark Dec 15 08:38:22 koen: my only though is its something to do with kernel space and cpu space seeing different views of a cache somewhere Dec 15 08:38:26 hrw|work: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/12/15/040258.shtml <- Really Poorly Maintained Dec 15 08:43:17 morning koen, XorA Dec 15 08:43:35 morning all Dec 15 08:43:55 RP : hi Dec 15 08:44:25 koen: ;) Dec 15 08:44:27 hi RP Ifaistos Dec 15 08:45:25 koen, XorA: So it turned out not to be the zlib bug? Dec 15 08:48:21 RP: no, we had 2 bugs, zlib bug is still there Dec 15 08:48:44 RP: but we also had totally unusablke images due to over cleaning of hrw|work :-) Dec 15 08:50:22 XorA: Hmm :-/. I wish I could pinpoint that bug for certain... Dec 15 08:50:44 RP: well at least its easy to replicate on Z Dec 15 08:52:02 my girlfriend and her mother have gone shopping, so I have time to hack now Dec 15 08:52:04 RP: and from looking at what happens, it looks liek bug isnt zlib itself, maybe you doing it faster has triggered a race in the kernel, so that on first attempt data doesnt make it to userspace, given a for uS it works on second attempt Dec 15 08:52:31 s/for uS/few uS/ Dec 15 08:52:43 XorA: That's my thought too, If it were zlib who do the file's checksums come out ok... Dec 15 08:53:21 does glibc do wierd things like mmapping executables? Dec 15 08:53:29 anyone interested in trying the new icecc.bbclass before i post it -> http://pastebin.ca/279773 Dec 15 08:54:02 XorA: I don't know... Dec 15 08:54:24 who is brave enough to post the bug into glibc bug tracker :-) Dec 15 08:54:52 XorA: "glibc doesn't support cross-compiling, closing as INVALID" Dec 15 08:55:07 XorA: "Use a decent filesystem like ext2, closing as WONTFIX" Dec 15 08:55:08 :) Dec 15 08:55:51 XorA: It could be a dynamic loader or kernel VFS issue too :-/ Dec 15 08:57:02 RP: its one of these problems that needs to spread wide enough that the right guy goes DOH! and fixes it Dec 15 09:00:45 XorA: I should probably build an angstrom image to try and fix it Dec 15 09:00:53 stupid question to the path changes Dec 15 09:01:12 I miss a ':' somehow, no idea if it is in getVar('PATH') already Dec 15 09:01:26 RP: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/20061214/c7x0/ :) Dec 15 09:02:17 zecke: You don't need that. Try FOOBAR=fish echo $FOOBAR in a shell Dec 15 09:02:34 koen: I need to be able to recompile bits with debugging Dec 15 09:03:52 RP: ah okay we set the complete path and not append to it Dec 15 09:04:08 zecke: right Dec 15 09:06:36 is there a way to force packages that have disabled PARALLEL_MAKE to use the one supplied by local.conf ? Dec 15 09:08:34 Ifaistos: those packages have parallel make disable for a reason Dec 15 09:08:55 03koen 07org.oe.dev * re92a3c58... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Dec 15 09:08:55 psplash: sync with poky Dec 15 09:08:55 * poky rev #1033: "Allow psplash to be disabled via kernel cmd line" by mallum Dec 15 09:09:53 koen : well i found out that some (i.e bash) can compile without a problem when using icecc.... it is strange though Dec 15 09:10:34 strange indeed Dec 15 09:19:04 not strange at all :) Dec 15 09:19:15 icecc scheduler is serializing these commands Dec 15 09:25:38 zecke : So is it possible to override the package's PARALLEL_MAKE? Dec 15 09:29:14 that depends on the package Dec 15 09:54:48 grrr Dec 15 09:54:58 * koen gets hit by the broken libtool-cross bug Dec 15 10:15:48 that damn vmware ran out of free space... Dec 15 10:39:28 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rb8331ad7... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Dec 15 10:39:28 cairo: update git to 1.3.9 Dec 15 10:39:28 update snapshot to 1.3.8, from its news file: Dec 15 10:39:28 After the bug fixes in 1.3.6, we're back to our original program of Dec 15 10:39:28 weekly snapshots, each one faster than the one from the week Dec 15 10:39:29 before. Cairo 1.3.8 brings a 2x improvement in the speed of rendering Dec 15 10:39:31 linear gradients (thanks to David Turner), and a significant reduction Dec 15 10:39:54 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0a58f4bb... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom 2007.1: prefer cairo 1.3.8 Dec 15 10:43:00 koen: schweet Dec 15 10:44:00 XorA: cairo is going from 'mindnumbingly slow' to 'slow' Dec 15 10:44:19 * XorA prays for the mx31 Zaurus Dec 15 10:44:28 the news I got excited about is the fact that pango is virtually free of FP nowadays Dec 15 10:45:04 buen dia likewise Dec 15 10:45:29 bonjour koen Dec 15 10:46:38 root@h2200:/data/cairo.vanilla/perf# uptime Dec 15 10:46:38 11:12:49 up 30 days, 20:18, 10 users, load average: 2.06, 2.17, 1.79 Dec 15 10:47:06 koen: gathering stats? :-) Dec 15 10:47:16 who had the "ps crashes" bug lately? Dec 15 10:47:27 likewise: it's my cairo test 'box' :) Dec 15 10:47:35 likewise: I had it a while ago on x86 Dec 15 10:48:19 (the ps bug) Dec 15 10:48:47 * koen is finally following mallum's advice Dec 15 10:48:48 koen: yes, it's probably only x86, greg (from diy-linux) found out why, and there is an upstream patch Dec 15 10:48:59 * koen restores BSG from the internet backup service Dec 15 10:49:06 koen: "if one builds anything with gcc-4.1.1 with -Os -ffast-math flags, the resulting program will segfault on modern CPUs." Dec 15 10:49:19 cute Dec 15 10:49:21 koen: could that be the cause at your site? Dec 15 10:49:31 likewise: yes Dec 15 10:49:54 the (GCC) fix is gcc-4.1.1-pr13685-1.patch Dec 15 10:49:54 koen: so you stopped shaving as well? Dec 15 10:50:17 likewise: feel free to add it to OE ;) Dec 15 10:50:26 zecke: I actually shaved yesterday :) Dec 15 10:53:19 Official info: I will work on OE fulltime since February Dec 15 10:53:41 hrw|work: 'since' or 'starting from'? Dec 15 10:53:46 hrw|work: found someone to bankroll you? Dec 15 10:54:08 hrw|work: congrats! we're fishing in the same sea then aren't we? ;)) Dec 15 10:54:10 starting from Dec 15 10:54:17 hey mickeyl Dec 15 10:54:19 hrw|work: congrats Dec 15 10:54:21 morning guys Dec 15 10:54:53 one company is hiring my company Dec 15 10:54:55 hrw|work: nice to hear, good luck! Dec 15 10:56:01 koen: mallum's advice was a internet backup box? Dec 15 10:56:20 likewise: no, watching BSG Dec 15 10:56:30 koen: ha, ok Dec 15 10:56:32 what is BSG? Dec 15 10:56:53 battlestar galactica Dec 15 10:56:57 (the remake) Dec 15 10:57:01 ah. any good? Dec 15 10:57:06 * RP has been watching that... Dec 15 10:57:18 * likewise feels hungry Dec 15 10:57:23 mickeyl: still downl^H^H^H^H restoring backup Dec 15 10:57:59 :D Dec 15 10:58:28 * koen looks at all the gcc patches in http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/devel/gcc/ Dec 15 10:58:35 the lack of good SciFi has got me watching family series lately Dec 15 10:58:38 *cough* Dec 15 10:59:42 likewise: don't forget to bump PR on gcc for that change Dec 15 11:00:48 * XorA has watched BSG upto halfway through season 3 Dec 15 11:01:56 koen: Thanks, I will remember to bump the PR so everyone can rebuild their toolchains. Evil. Dec 15 11:05:57 ~lart the cancellation of stargate Dec 15 11:05:58 * ibot gives the cancellation of stargate a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" Dec 15 11:07:48 * koen should pick up at season 8 Dec 15 11:14:52 good morning Dec 15 11:29:01 good morning. Dec 15 11:30:30 zecke: It seems like using both a ubuntu dapper and an eft install messed up my tmp/. I wonder if using the same two machines in an icecc setup possibly recreates the same problem. Can you confirm or deny? Dec 15 11:31:10 Laibsch: I don't understand Dec 15 11:31:24 iceccd puts the toolchain in tmp/name and executes in a chroot Dec 15 11:39:10 mickeyl told me that a problem I was seeing was the likely result of sharing the OE directory between two machines with a different distro version and that I should clean out tmp to restart from scratch. Dec 15 11:40:23 ah okay tmp ${TMPDIR} Dec 15 11:40:36 zecke: The log is at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23oe/20061212.html.gz, my question at 12:31, mickeyl's answer from 12:40. Dec 15 11:40:51 if you have one edgy machine, gentoo, fedora core and all run iceccd this is fine Dec 15 11:41:06 zecke: I have one edgy and one dapper Dec 15 11:41:51 so different versions of the distribution Dec 15 11:41:52 iceccd executes in a chroot it will not mess around with the ${TMPDIR} Dec 15 11:42:05 OK. good ro know Dec 15 11:42:19 zecke: Are you using Ifaistos' latest work? Dec 15 11:42:55 no, ATM I'm not using icecc at all Dec 15 11:48:33 OK Dec 15 11:58:51 Laibsch: it works on Dapper :) Dec 15 11:59:53 Pakmanorama: Great! And thanks for reporting back. Dec 15 11:59:58 Happy compiling. Dec 15 12:00:32 Pakmanorama: And you should take some time to upgrade. Just think about your and my lost time yesterday. Dec 15 12:02:29 Laibsch: I know, very painful :) openembedded-essential got all the packages I needed. But I did use a later monotone as the package grabbed .24 I think and I got .30 Dec 15 12:03:35 Laibsch: it still didn't work until I moved all the sources into my home directory and then it "just worked" :) Dec 15 12:03:36 Pakmanorama: But that should not create problems. Dec 15 12:03:49 In fact .24 montone will not work with OE AFAIK. Dec 15 12:04:22 Laibsch: The snapshot of OE.mtn I have says it needed .30 so I just got it to be safe Dec 15 12:05:05 Laibsch: so I've managed to build "nano" and task-base so far Dec 15 12:09:58 Laibsch: I have much reading to do yet though :) Dec 15 12:13:46 Laibsch : Are you using the icecc patch i posted on the bugtracker ? Dec 15 12:13:57 not yet. Dec 15 12:14:22 You suppose it should just work, then? Dec 15 12:16:21 hrw|work: According to http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/RequiredSoftware at least monotone version .26 is required. Maybe you should reflect that in your openembedded-essential package. Dec 15 12:16:25 Laibsch : it works (al least for me). I have tested in on a 7 machine cluster 6 i686 with debian and one amd64 with ubuntu edgyThat version is only distributing cross-compile jobs Dec 15 12:17:12 Ifaistos: Do you think it will create problems on a mixed edgy-dapper setup? Dec 15 12:18:33 Laibsch : I don't think so, as long as the icecc versions are the same. Icecc creates a chrooted enviroment in every client and executes the gcc the master machine has send Dec 15 12:18:51 Laibsch : not its owm Dec 15 12:18:55 OK, I will give it a shot. Dec 15 12:19:27 Steps I need to take: a) INHERIT += "icecc" and "replace" icecc.bbclass with your version. That is all, Ifaistos? Dec 15 12:20:51 Ifaistos: you got icecc working with OE? Dec 15 12:20:58 Laibsch : You also need the new-and-improved icecc-create-env script and NEED to define ICECC_ENV_EXEC to point at it (in your loca.conf) Dec 15 12:21:42 Where do I get it? Maybe a small Howto on the wiki would be nice? Dec 15 12:22:53 Laibsch : There are as attachments to bug tracker Dec 15 12:23:09 Laibsch : my local.conf for example -> http://pastebin.ca/279906 Dec 15 12:23:47 Ifaistos: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/IceCC Dec 15 12:23:55 Starting to fill it in now. Dec 15 12:25:13 Laibsch : once i finish with it ;) I am still adding/modifing stuff. I added support for distributing the native/cross and kernel and i am testing it as we speak Dec 15 12:26:09 morning all Dec 15 12:27:10 Ifaistos: I still believe a one-stop page like http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/IceCC would be good for people interested in this so you do not have to run around fetching the latest information. I will let you know once I put all I know into it so you can double-check. Dec 15 12:28:08 Laibsch : sure one thing there is never enough in OE is documentation :) Dec 15 12:28:28 yo do13 Dec 15 12:28:56 hey do13 Dec 15 12:29:36 hey koen, XorA Dec 15 12:30:11 do13: finished slabbing? Dec 15 12:30:39 XorA: yep Dec 15 12:30:46 ~hail do13 Dec 15 12:30:48 * ibot bows down to do13 and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Dec 15 12:30:54 hehe Dec 15 12:31:47 hows work at wolfson? Dec 15 12:36:13 koen : Which arm based machine to you for running a test compile of Angstrom ? Dec 15 12:36:40 koen : to you = to use Dec 15 12:37:43 Ifaistos: h2200, hx4700, c7x0, spitz, akita Dec 15 12:41:39 do13: cool Dec 15 12:42:12 do13: trying to get bloomin samsung boards to work Dec 15 12:43:00 XorA: smdk? Dec 15 12:43:08 do13: yeah Dec 15 12:44:14 hi folks Dec 15 12:44:32 Ifaistos: Where have you put that icecc-create-env script? Dec 15 12:44:59 Where would be a good place? Dec 15 12:45:08 lo :) Dec 15 12:45:13 Laibsch : http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1495 look at comment #10 Dec 15 12:46:07 Ifaistos: You need to attach long logs ;-) Dec 15 12:46:41 Ifaistos: Comment 10 is the script which I already have. But where did you store it? Dec 15 12:47:11 Laibsch : its a modified version of the script you have.... read the comments :) Dec 15 12:47:36 well, it was comment #11 Dec 15 12:49:17 Ifaistos: seriously, attaching long logs instead of pasting them inline would increase readability of that bug dramatically. Dec 15 12:59:30 koen : Do you have an indication of total time required to build angstrom-bootstrap-image and angstrom-gpe-image ? Dec 15 13:00:29 20 minutes Dec 15 13:01:39 Ifaistos: How about http://www.openembedded.org/icecc ? Dec 15 13:02:03 XorA: 20 mins? on which machine? Dec 15 13:02:33 Ifaistos: No, not yet complete. Dec 15 13:02:57 Laibsch : what do you mean ? Dec 15 13:03:22 XorA : Really ? from scratch ? what machine ? Dec 15 13:03:29 Koen: got some hardware from gigabyte :) some kind of thin client Dec 15 13:04:21 * XorA is of course lieing, it takes me about 1.5hours on a 3Ghz Xeon Dec 15 13:04:29 Ifaistos: Done. I want you to take a look if the short documentation I wrote does not miss anything and is accurate. Dec 15 13:05:33 * Ifaistos was about to through his icecc cluster out of the windows of the 5th floor Dec 15 13:06:51 gerwinin: cool Dec 15 13:07:43 Ifaistos: no idea really, I just let it run Dec 15 13:07:43 I guess about 2.5 hours Dec 15 13:07:43 Laibsch : without the modified create-icecc-env it will not work. we need to mention that. Also need a link for people to download it. I'll copy it to our webserver and post the link Dec 15 13:07:45 with qemu taking up a large part Dec 15 13:07:51 Ifaistos: There is the link Dec 15 13:08:21 oh reah, I cant run the qemu part so I save there Dec 15 13:08:21 Ifaistos: Or is not the one attached to the bug? Dec 15 13:08:22 s/bug/bug report/ Dec 15 13:08:51 Laibsch :Yes its correct... its simply me beeing stupid and not reading carefully :) Dec 15 13:16:43 www.openembedded.org seems to be having problems. Dec 15 13:18:23 Ifaistos: Can you verify if you also hit bug 1169? Dec 15 13:18:26 !oebug 1169 Dec 15 13:18:27 * * Bug 1169, Status: NEW, Created: 2006-07-13 16:25 Dec 15 13:18:28 * * bugs.openembedded.org(AT)rolf.leggewie.biz: compilation of xproto fails with icecc enabled Dec 15 13:18:31 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1169 Dec 15 13:20:01 Laibsch : i'll check once i get there Dec 15 13:25:39 Ifaistos: why is PATH2OE needed? Dec 15 13:25:50 Ifaistos: can't another var be reused? Dec 15 13:26:38 florian_kc: don't forget to execute your parts of removal.txt Dec 15 13:27:47 someone tried autoconf-native 2.61? Dec 15 13:27:57 koen : PATH2OE is not need it per say. Just to point ICECC_ENV_EXEC where the icecc-create-env script is Dec 15 13:29:39 Ifaistos: ok, so lets remove it Dec 15 13:29:51 Ifaistos: 'magic' vars should be avoided Dec 15 13:31:13 or change it to OE_PATH, since that's more OE-like Dec 15 13:31:34 ~lart devshell Dec 15 13:31:35 * ibot makes a balloon animal out of devshell Dec 15 13:31:47 I miss good old one Dec 15 13:33:11 checking Linux kernel version... unknown Dec 15 13:33:11 configure: error: cannot determine linux version when cross-compiling Dec 15 13:33:16 libpcap ;( Dec 15 13:36:46 koen : changed it Dec 15 13:38:17 Ifaistos: but on a more serious not, icecc is a bbclass, so all 'standard' paths should be known Dec 15 13:38:25 s/not/note/ Dec 15 13:40:41 koen : Yeah. the one i am working on does not ICECC_PATH defined, but with the icecc-create-env is a bit difficult as by default it gets to /usr/lib/icecc which is not a searchable path by 'which' Dec 15 13:41:14 koen : and i am not sure its the same on all distros... Dec 15 13:42:38 my biggest problem at the moment is to find a way to force PARALLEL_MAKE even if the .bb file says "no".... Dec 15 13:42:52 as seen on #maemo: [15:06] ferenc: koen: by the way: could we have openembedded compiling us packages for extras? Dec 15 13:43:07 koen: ;D Dec 15 13:43:18 koen: thx for remind - I have maemo to remove ;D Dec 15 13:43:49 koen: Did something go wrong with your update to preference for gstreamer? I get a strange 3-way merge error now: http://rafb.net/paste/results/9Ly4ph66.html Dec 15 13:45:24 koen: PATH2OE is just what I use here and that is how it ended up in the wiki. Has been replaced, it looks like. Dec 15 13:45:50 Laibsch: I never touched OZ Dec 15 13:46:57 Ifaistos: Forcing parallel make is not a good idea. Parallel make is disabled for some recipes for a reason. Dec 15 13:47:56 koen: OK, so what do I do about the error now? hrw|work? Dec 15 13:48:21 Laibsch : It seems icecc puts things in the right order and packages compiled correctly.... i just figured that out, and it makes a lot of difference in compile times Dec 15 13:48:47 Laibsch: revert change, merge, add change, commit Dec 15 13:48:48 Laibsch: make xxdiff connect your xserver Dec 15 13:49:20 zecke: remote machine. Why bother ;-) Dec 15 13:50:18 Laibsch: 15 14:57 < thm> Laibsch: you could try to set 'merge = "vim"' (or emacs) in your monotonerc Dec 15 13:50:34 Ifaistos: That would need further testing, I assume. Of course one wants to compile in parallel, that is the whole point. But I prefer "correct and without hassle" over "fast" anytime. Dec 15 13:50:57 koen : is this normal ? -> http://pastebin.ca/279954 Dec 15 13:51:29 Ifaistos: read line 22,23,24 and 25 Dec 15 13:51:43 hrw|work: That is not the problem. I want to know what to do about openzaurus-unstable.conf. It seems that the OE repo has an issue. That is what I want to fix. Dec 15 13:51:43 and my hint is 'qemu-*native*' Dec 15 13:51:51 koen : Thats why i am asking Dec 15 13:52:00 Laibsch: you have local modifications :) Dec 15 13:52:17 Ifaistos: "apt-get install gcc-3.4" Dec 15 13:52:52 zecke: Seriously? I always tried to make sure to have only quilt touch stuff. I'll just remove the local file, then. Dec 15 13:53:12 Laibsch: mtn status Dec 15 13:53:30 Laibsch: "mtn diff" gives an output -> local diff Dec 15 13:53:38 koen : hmmm i am using icecc and the clients all have gcc 4.x for compiling native... Dec 15 13:54:00 Ifaistos: you send your gcc3.4 toolchain to the other hosts (hopefully) Dec 15 13:54:26 Ifaistos: this is why icecc will work with any distribution (except gentoo) on other hosts Dec 15 13:55:31 zecke : not sure because with icecc.bbclass we set the path and the env-package the master will send to the clients Dec 15 13:56:05 zecke : probably another candidate for the 'blacklist' :) Dec 15 13:56:21 no Dec 15 13:56:52 ah funny :) Dec 15 13:57:08 yes let us blacklist this as create-env/icecc will package /usr/bin/gcc Dec 15 13:57:21 Ah, a remnant of bug 1138. Unlike my usual policy I did not apply the changes via quilt to have an eye on what I changed. Dec 15 13:58:17 * Ifaistos realises how many different versions of compilers OE uses Dec 15 14:05:42 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rb69e1fa3... 10/ (1 removal.txt): Dec 15 14:05:42 removal.txt: add gstreamer 0.8.x Dec 15 14:05:42 * update dates Dec 15 14:05:43 * sort by removal date Dec 15 14:08:21 koen: indeed Dec 15 14:08:21 koen : btw shouldn't the missing gcc 3.4 be reported by the sanity checker ? Dec 15 14:08:27 Ifaistos: probably Dec 15 14:08:37 * koen looks at zecke Dec 15 14:09:09 its not missing its hiding Dec 15 14:10:05 morning Dec 15 14:14:20 koen: you should look at RP Dec 15 14:20:20 ciao Dec 15 14:35:32 Will SRC_URI += "$something" do what I expect it to? Dec 15 14:48:49 RP: what do you think about adding option for bitbake to NOT print progressbar? Dec 15 14:49:27 bitbake has a progressbar? Dec 15 14:50:00 hrw|work: When is it causing problems? It shouldn't print it if its not using a tty... Dec 15 14:53:45 hey zecke & pH5 Dec 15 14:55:02 hey hrw|work, XorA, RP, koen, zecke, psokolovsky :) Dec 15 14:55:21 Hi! ;-) Dec 15 14:55:51 hey pH5 Dec 15 14:56:09 hi pH5, zecke :) Dec 15 14:57:14 hrw|work: are you allowed to say which company is going to hire you? Dec 15 15:02:32 RP: you were the guy behind the leds subsystem, right? Dec 15 15:06:15 RP: I use it under screen on remote machine Dec 15 15:08:03 koen: when it will be signed I will Dec 15 15:08:03 hrw|work: ok Dec 15 15:08:03 *fingers crossed* Dec 15 15:08:04 pH5: will you join our 'little' OE meeting at 23c3? Dec 15 15:08:25 koen: now I can only say that here this company is known Dec 15 15:11:41 zecke: cool, I'd like to. what day will it be? Dec 15 15:13:07 Any objections to me committing http://oz.leggewie.org/gstreamer_unify.patch and making hrw an even happier man? Dec 15 15:13:07 pH5: currently mickeyl and me will be present (all days) Dec 15 15:13:28 I skipped gstreamer 0.8.x since apparently it is going to be dropped. Dec 15 15:13:33 koen? Dec 15 15:13:42 Laibsch: PR = "r0" - remove Dec 15 15:13:56 DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "-1" to .inc Dec 15 15:14:16 looks ok Dec 15 15:14:29 Laibsch: packages/gstreamer/gstreamer_0.10.8.bb Dec 15 15:14:31 +DEPENDS += "libxml2" not needed Dec 15 15:14:40 Laibsch: remove that DEPENDS += Dec 15 15:14:42 hehe Dec 15 15:14:49 OK Dec 15 15:15:04 basically - all gstreamer_0.10.x.bb == 'require gstreamer.inc' only Dec 15 15:15:11 hrw|work: You want me to remoce the PR = "r0" lines from all recipes? Dec 15 15:15:18 remove Dec 15 15:15:22 default PR is r0 Dec 15 15:15:34 OK. I understand. Dec 15 15:16:06 But is moving default preference to .inc a good idea? Once 0.8.x is dropped? Dec 15 15:19:50 zecke: great. I was planning to go there for one day only, but I'm not sure yet which one. Dec 15 15:21:51 Updated patch at http://oz.leggewie.org/gstreamer_unify.patch. Committing. Dec 15 15:23:24 re Dec 15 15:23:47 Laibsch: ok for me Dec 15 15:23:50 wb mickeyl Dec 15 15:24:12 autoconf-native 2.61 breaks many things Dec 15 15:27:28 does mtn have a --force option to create the source file even if it exists ? don't seem to find one Dec 15 15:28:05 hrw|work: thx. I'm not surprised. Dec 15 15:32:19 task-base cant be built Dec 15 15:32:27 libpcap, libglib-2.0 fails Dec 15 15:40:18 yes, libcap failed for me, too. Dec 15 15:44:19 Ifaistos and koen: Operating with variables in local.conf for icecc produces an error from create-icecc-env.sh I assume: CR_ENV_SCRIPT= ${TMPDIR}. I will explicitly set the path for now. Dec 15 15:45:08 Laibsch : what kind of error ? Dec 15 16:01:40 Ifaistos: "CR_ENV_SCRIPT= ${TMPDIR}" and "sh: --silent: not found". Maybe the first line is not an error after all? Dec 15 16:01:59 In any case I so far see no effect. No migrating processes here. Dec 15 16:02:29 hrw|work: Actually, libcap builds again for .dev here. Dec 15 16:07:46 Laibsch: with autoconf-native 2.59 it builds. Dec 15 16:08:38 hrw|work: Yes, that seems to be the version that had been compiled here. Dec 15 16:08:43 Laibsch : it means it can not find the create-env script Dec 15 16:09:11 Laibsch : ICECC_ENV_EXEC = /path/to/your/oe/root/tmp/icecc-create-env not just the path Dec 15 16:09:15 Ifaistos: Well, it is in ${TMPDIR}. Dec 15 16:12:03 Ifaistos: I had the variable pointing to the directory. It needs to point to the script itself. Dec 15 16:12:13 Laibsch : yes Dec 15 16:14:29 hi Dec 15 16:14:53 is there a reason that autoconf is 2.59? Dec 15 16:15:10 yes, known working and we almost pass the testsuite :) Dec 15 16:15:25 I would like to build asterisk 1.4 for nslu and it requires 1.60 ... Dec 15 16:15:35 I see ... Dec 15 16:15:42 2.59 > 1.60 :) Dec 15 16:15:55 osas: make sure it really requires 2.60 Dec 15 16:16:06 right :p Dec 15 16:16:21 hrw|work : Did you build using icecc ? Dec 15 16:17:23 no Dec 15 16:18:05 replace AC_INIT(...[2.60]) with [2.59] and check Dec 15 16:18:30 also take a look at their scm to find out why they changed it Dec 15 16:18:31 I will try ... Dec 15 16:19:25 the other workaround would be to configure it externaly and create a patch Dec 15 16:19:37 then bypass the configure Dec 15 16:19:46 http://svn.digium.com/view/asterisk?rev=47327&view=rev Dec 15 16:19:47 morons Dec 15 16:29:41 argh Dec 15 16:32:36 zecke: hehe Dec 15 16:32:57 yes let us stick everything in there... this is so much more easy... Dec 15 16:33:30 and when libtool.m4 had a bug which got fixed we will never know Dec 15 16:33:47 GPLv3 should forbid copy 'n pasting code Dec 15 16:34:33 zecke: things like this make me wonders if I should not go back to school in something else .. I'm so tired of dealing with morons ... and they are the one who get better job than me Dec 15 16:34:59 well, morons are everywhere Dec 15 16:35:09 chouimat: you could always become a sales droid :) Dec 15 16:35:35 I see dumb people, they are everywhere Dec 15 16:36:19 yes they are more dumb people than hippies (to cite cartman) Dec 15 16:36:26 hvontres|poodle: maybe we should simply nuke the Earth ... so that ET won't have to deal with us ;) Dec 15 16:36:31 Dumb people everywhere, forcing them into suicide will not change anything Dec 15 16:38:56 Laibsch : try this -> http://pastebin.ca/280082. It distributes also native/cross and cross-kernel Dec 15 16:52:42 'morning all. Dec 15 16:53:30 hi Dec 15 17:01:39 ugh. another build tool. any experience with "phpize" in cross compile environments? Dec 15 17:01:55 no, but allow me to say this: Dec 15 17:01:58 eeeeeeevil Dec 15 17:01:59 php? poor guy Dec 15 17:02:15 * koen is hacking php for a bugtracker at work Dec 15 17:03:13 i mean seriously, wasn't a THREE level build tool enough? (autoconf->configure->Makefile). Dec 15 17:03:31 * chris144 just finished an image for a polarisation measurement device. OE rocks :-) Dec 15 17:03:46 thanks for the "encouragement". (-; Dec 15 17:04:07 HopsNBarley: no prob Dec 15 17:04:32 HopsNBarley: looks like you need a 'php-native' Dec 15 17:05:15 lemme do some work and i'll let you know what this looks like. Dec 15 17:05:57 HopsNBarley: you use samba .23c for openprotium? Dec 15 17:06:21 yeah, i have a TON of samba_cv_'s for the powerpc-linux file... Dec 15 17:06:44 | lib/time.c:67: error: too few arguments to function 'gettimeofday' Dec 15 17:06:50 that's what I get for .14a Dec 15 17:06:51 you want 'em? I'll push (after a merge :-) Dec 15 17:07:22 you'll get that in 23c too. give me a few minutes to get this out. I could pastebin it... Dec 15 17:07:22 sure, push ahead Dec 15 17:07:22 HopsNBarley: feel free to populate samba.m4 in contrib/site-conf/m4 Dec 15 17:09:04 zecke: haven't looked at this before; does this populate the site files? Dec 15 17:09:31 HopsNBarley: not yet, but that is the plan Dec 15 17:09:39 HopsNBarley: you can create a configure script with it to make a config.cache Dec 15 17:10:13 this is intended to make config.cache priming more granular? Dec 15 17:10:52 HopsNBarley: ease porting OE to new machines Dec 15 17:10:54 less granular ;) Dec 15 17:11:11 it was always granular, having to do it for each package one at a time.. Dec 15 17:11:14 run a configure script once, get all needed info for the sitefile Dec 15 17:11:14 HopsNBarley: or if the ABI changesm just regenerate Dec 15 17:12:02 easier to track changes, too. Dec 15 17:14:10 Ifaistos: Is there a reason "icecc-create-env" is not scripted inside the .bbclass itself? Dec 15 17:14:26 likewise: my version did not work :) Dec 15 17:14:34 likewise: and icecc-create-env was almost complete Dec 15 17:14:44 Ifaistos: did you poke coolo yet? Dec 15 17:14:56 zecke: but what exactly did not work in your version? Dec 15 17:15:07 likewise : I was thinking of pushing it to the icecc people Dec 15 17:15:12 likewise: dunno Dec 15 17:15:36 Ifaistos: pushing it == /msg coolo hi, don't shoot me I have this patch for icecream Dec 15 17:15:40 Ifaistos: I have been meddling with the packaging of the cross compiler toolchain and its a very delicate process. Dec 15 17:16:20 Ifaistos: what's the most recent version of your icecc.bbclassand icecc-create-env? I really would like to document the process instead of having code. Dec 15 17:16:54 The stuff is full of (false) assumptions that will break on a strange machines (such as multilib, 32 and 64 bit lib machines). Dec 15 17:16:57 likewise : The idea was to let icecc-create-env do what it's doing best (create the enviroment) but do it in a way it can work with OE Dec 15 17:17:42 Ifaistos: ok, that probably makes sense Dec 15 17:18:22 * likewise visited the concert of Mono yesterday - was quite surprising Dec 15 17:18:43 Mono? Dec 15 17:18:47 like c#? Dec 15 17:18:52 crap Dec 15 17:18:56 that reminds me Dec 15 17:19:07 * koen still has no tickets for the Gathering tomorrow Dec 15 17:19:35 likewise : The modifications basically make it run silently (--silent), accept gcc/g++/ and as paths and allow to specify path/filename for the archieve Dec 15 17:21:09 Ifaistos: and these tarballs run ok on remote icecc hosts? Could you pastebin me a ls -al of the extracted tarball? Dec 15 17:21:49 likewise : The other thing i found out is that OE uses sooooooo many different compilers ;) Dec 15 17:22:58 cu Dec 15 17:23:17 Ifaistos: but during a single build, only two I guess. Dec 15 17:26:15 likewise : the "problem" is you need to create an enviroment for them and direct the remote which to use depending on what you are doing Dec 15 17:26:54 * koen proposed to blacklist inherits.class('native') packages Dec 15 17:27:50 likewise: -> http://pastebin.ca/280140 Dec 15 17:28:52 likewise: i have 7 machines in the cluster now 6 i686 and one amd64 Dec 15 17:29:03 likewise: this is from an i686 Dec 15 17:30:24 Ifaistos: tried with multithreaded bitbak yet? Dec 15 17:31:35 koen : nop. trying to get it "stable" first. Dec 15 17:32:42 I think you would get a huge speed win with that Dec 15 17:34:01 koen : from what i have seen up till now (compiling with all machines) configure and packaging take the longest Dec 15 17:35:01 which is parallellized with mt bitbake Dec 15 17:35:11 zecke: seen exmap-console yet? Dec 15 17:35:16 no Dec 15 17:35:30 oh o-hand stuff Dec 15 17:35:44 http://projects.o-hand.com/exmap-console Dec 15 17:38:53 http://www.kuvaton.com/kuvei/tiesitko_etta.jpg Dec 15 17:39:15 oprofile, ltt, exmap now only a working gdb and valgrind ported Dec 15 17:39:41 running valgrind in qemu-arm is 6x faster than a real 23mhz ARMv3 :) Dec 15 17:39:55 zecke: you... you... debian developer! Dec 15 17:40:21 koen: lol Dec 15 17:40:56 "New book explains how to build Linux 2.6 kernels" Dec 15 17:41:13 zecke: As it looks now I will be going to chaos Dec 15 17:41:17 YEAH Dec 15 17:41:25 zecke: do we have a booth there ? Dec 15 17:41:59 no, I think we won't need one Dec 15 17:42:17 'This module will not be able to be loaded in any kernel released after January 1, 2008 due to its license.' Dec 15 17:42:18 cute Dec 15 17:42:41 I bet tim bird would have a fit if we applied that patch in OE ;) Dec 15 17:42:44 zecke: okay Dec 15 17:43:24 zecke: I will be going to gigabyte soon to explain them about oe :) Dec 15 17:44:36 Koen: I will be the 2nd of january in the nearby of enschede to drop of the server will you be in nl that time ? Dec 15 17:44:51 yes Dec 15 17:45:09 Koen: I will give you a call when I am there :) Dec 15 17:45:40 Koen: I will deliver it without software so you can install what is necessary Dec 15 17:47:19 okidoki Dec 15 17:47:35 zecke: which OS do you prefer? debian stable? Dec 15 17:47:51 ubuntu dapper drake :) Dec 15 18:18:11 gerwinin: I sent a mail to make an appointement after 20070102 to get the server into the rack Dec 15 18:18:48 koen: although CIA hasn't chimed in yet, the samba_cvs have been pushed in powerpc-linux Dec 15 18:19:00 I noticed Dec 15 18:19:06 the commit mail did arrive Dec 15 18:19:14 NOTE: package samba-3.0.14a-r15: task do_rebuild: completed Dec 15 18:19:15 excellent. Dec 15 18:19:32 nice. try 23c. Dec 15 18:24:25 is there a player in OE that supports video playback via the V4L2 interface? Dec 15 18:24:39 Jin^eLD: gstreamer probably Dec 15 18:25:02 although technically that isn't a player Dec 15 18:25:09 thx, let me see Dec 15 18:25:19 HopsNBarley: 23c works as well Dec 15 18:26:08 excellent news. it was a labor of love diffing those configure scripts.... (-; Dec 15 18:27:13 koen: but that comes with a UI, gtk, etc? do you know anything that is console based? Dec 15 18:27:41 Jin^eLD: gstreamer is console based Dec 15 18:27:42 I have a board with a decoder that supports the V4L2 API.. Dec 15 18:28:01 run gst-launch and construct the pipeline by hand Dec 15 18:28:04 oh.. ok.. I just got confused when it started to dl gtk stuff Dec 15 18:28:16 k, thanks Dec 15 18:28:17 that's what I want to do when I got this &W*$&*@# webcam to work Dec 15 18:28:28 koen : for angstrom for arm the cross-kernel is 4.1.1 ? Dec 15 18:28:39 :) Dec 15 18:28:39 Ifaistos: it has no cross-kernel Dec 15 18:28:59 Ifaistos: only gcc-cross Dec 15 18:29:14 koen : ok its using 4.1.1 for the kernel right ? Dec 15 18:29:19 yes Dec 15 18:31:07 powerpc in OE is looking pretty good nowadays Dec 15 18:39:16 damn. outbid on the 1TB storcenter. oh well. Dec 15 18:39:43 isn't it cheaper to get one without disk? Dec 15 18:40:10 disks* Dec 15 18:40:15 and fill it up yourself? Dec 15 18:40:22 i don't think Iomega sells them that way. you can regularly get the 250G for around $150 on ebay. Dec 15 18:40:38 it's an awesome slug alternative, IMHO. Dec 15 19:01:41 koen: did you update version of udev for Angstrom recently? Dec 15 19:03:12 XorA|gone: not that I know off Dec 15 19:03:46 XorA|gone: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=udev Dec 15 19:03:56 XorA|gone: it seem 097 sneeked into the feeds Dec 15 19:04:21 koen: 0.97 is broken Dec 15 19:04:49 XorA|gone: drop it from oe then Dec 15 19:05:39 koen: what version should Angstrom be on Dec 15 19:05:44 092 Dec 15 19:06:07 XorA|gone: I just removed 97 from the feeds Dec 15 19:06:30 koen: cheers Dec 15 19:07:36 XorA|gone: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=udev Dec 15 19:08:01 092 everywhere :) Dec 15 19:10:56 Hello Dec 15 19:11:16 I have a simple question to make - what does OPIE use for touchscreen control? Dec 15 19:11:22 Is it tslib? Dec 15 19:14:41 B_Lizzard: yes Dec 15 19:14:52 :| Dec 15 19:15:17 In OPIE, touchscreen works O.K., but in X, the cursor keeps jittering around... Dec 15 19:15:48 It all seems to point towards X having the problem Dec 15 19:16:17 Thanks for the insightful knowledge, koen Dec 15 19:17:02 Has anyone else experienced such a problem? Dec 15 19:17:46 Laibsch: I now have a collie, I can look at that mplayer bug Dec 15 19:18:17 XorA|gone: timmy fell in the well Dec 15 19:30:25 check out http://autoconf-archive.cryp.to/ Dec 15 19:33:15 Does "optional-xkb.patch" for kdrive disable or enable the xkb extension? Dec 15 19:35:26 XorA|gone: great. Dec 15 19:36:57 koen: How do you get those locale-specific packages into their own directories? More generally, what do you use to split up the feeds? Dec 15 19:37:16 is there any site that has binary images for the distro's that can be build with OE ? Dec 15 19:38:43 Laibsch: ipkg-make-index -l Dec 15 19:39:41 Laibsch: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/unsorted/sort.sh.txt Dec 15 19:39:49 Laibsch: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/index.sh.txt Dec 15 19:40:02 that's it :) Dec 15 19:41:07 koen, I have my EFIKA now Dec 15 19:42:56 Crofton: yay! Dec 15 19:44:06 autoconf-archive has some sweet macros. should submit our variable type size macro to it Dec 15 19:44:28 kergoth: doesn't m4 make your eyes bleed? Dec 15 19:45:06 methinks they ran out of blood long ago, used to it now, sadly Dec 15 19:45:08 :P Dec 15 19:45:25 that would be a 'solution' Dec 15 19:45:46 still wish there was a decent autofoo replacement Dec 15 19:45:55 scons is too low level, no consistent behavior / configuration Dec 15 19:45:57 hi kergoth, joen Dec 15 19:46:07 hey woglinde Dec 15 19:46:43 kergoth: wanna take bets when KDE dumps cmake for $buildsystem-du-jour? Dec 15 19:47:06 hehe Dec 15 19:47:16 i wonder how waf is, it looked promising last time i played with it Dec 15 19:48:19 heh, there's a macro in here that works the way our sizeof one does Dec 15 19:48:23 only its more generic Dec 15 19:48:58 meh Dec 15 19:49:45 # AC_C_COMPILE_VALUE(sizeof(int), sizeof_int) Dec 15 19:49:45 # AC_C_COMPILE_VALUE([sizeof(int[[543]])], sizeof_int543) Dec 15 19:57:56 kergoth: didn't zecke or you have some elf foo to extract the info from the binary? Dec 15 20:29:41 koen : Is it normal for ${KERNEL_CC} to add a space infront and at the end of the compilers name ? Dec 15 20:29:59 * koen has no idea Dec 15 20:30:50 koen : look at this -> make -e MAKEFLAGS= include/linux/version.h 'CC=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc ' 'LD=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-ld ' Dec 15 20:33:01 koen : i use ${KERNEL_CC} to get the compiler filename and create a link for icecc to use. Because of the spaces added the link is not the same as the one set by OE and as a result icecc defaults to a "local job" Dec 15 20:33:33 doesn't python have a stripspaces command? Dec 15 20:34:45 koen : not sure, but is this normal ? ${KERNEL_CC} evaluates to something like space_cc_name_space Dec 15 20:36:05 no idea Dec 15 21:06:47 re Dec 15 21:06:57 hi hrw Dec 15 21:07:15 /dev/sda6 88G 88G 445M 100% /home Dec 15 21:07:28 I hate when it happen.. Dec 15 21:08:05 hihi Dec 15 21:12:31 ~lart bugs.oe.org Dec 15 21:12:32 * ibot drops a baby grand on bugs.oe.org Dec 15 21:12:34 hi Paul Dec 15 21:12:49 hrw: hi! Dec 15 21:14:06 Has my commit for gstreamer made it to the repo? I cannot see it in http://www.openembedded.org/aggregator/sources Dec 15 21:16:30 Laibsch: check http://www.openembedded.org/bonsai/view/scm/3/ Dec 15 21:18:39 OK, looks good. Thanks. Dec 15 21:18:39 likewise : Do you have a car ? Dec 15 21:19:53 likewise: you can pick up free headsets @ mediamarket :) Dec 15 21:34:00 gerwinin: How? Dec 15 21:34:41 Ifaistos: ping Dec 15 21:36:14 I just found my first PC wallpaper on hdd... Dec 15 21:37:15 hm.. some of them I even remember from Amiga times.. Dec 15 21:39:17 12G free on /home Dec 15 21:39:43 big wallpaper Dec 15 21:39:56 bugger than most amiga HD's Dec 15 21:40:04 s/bug/big/ Dec 15 21:40:32 haha Dec 15 21:40:55 hmm.. times of 720x480 4bit grey... Dec 15 21:40:56 Laibsch you can pick them up in the telecom department Dec 15 21:41:06 Liabsch: it some action from tele2 Dec 15 21:41:11 in .nl? Dec 15 21:45:36 * XorA|gone flashes a collie for first time in something like 3 years Dec 15 21:46:57 that sounds so wrong Dec 15 21:47:53 um, you are running 2.6.17, I expected 2.4.18 Dec 15 21:50:59 XorA|gone: didn't you just get off of probation for doing that the last time? :) Dec 15 21:51:22 kergoth: dns change? Dec 15 21:51:54 CosmicPenguin: I thought Id test hrw rc release, I didnt realise what it was Dec 15 21:52:09 XorA|gone: 3.5.4.2-rc2 is fscked 2.6 Dec 15 21:52:17 XorA|gone: never mind - I tried to make a really bad joke and failed at it Dec 15 21:53:21 CosmicPenguin: ah, match you joke to the right statement and it works :-) Dec 15 21:54:10 time to hack so called driver from ati^Wamd Dec 15 21:54:13 * XorA|gone wonders if he should pretend to be a user and install zImage-24-8 and wonder where his RAM is Dec 15 21:54:38 XorA|gone: we have 8-24 for you Dec 15 21:55:06 yay a whole 24 meg of ipkg storage Dec 15 21:55:32 plenty of space Dec 15 21:55:40 could get firefox in there Dec 15 21:55:43 my first OZ install was 40-24 Dec 15 21:56:00 Ive never used a kernel other than 64-0 Dec 15 21:56:17 XorA|gone: I got first SD card with c760 Dec 15 21:56:34 but I used 64-0 + cf (2 partitions) as storage Dec 15 21:57:30 gerwinin: ping Dec 15 21:58:22 Likewise ping Dec 15 21:58:27 Likewise: pong Dec 15 21:59:17 gerwinin: just arrived home, headsets? bt? Dec 15 21:59:21 bluetooth? Dec 15 22:00:19 Likewise: no Dec 15 22:00:24 Likewise: wired Dec 15 22:02:24 gerwinin: for mobiles (gsm)? Hmm, no thanks. Dec 15 22:02:46 Likewise: wel it has a 30 minutes calling card with it Dec 15 22:02:50 gerwinin: I never tend to use them, after they get tangled up three times. Dec 15 22:03:00 Likewise so I grabbed a couple Dec 15 22:03:08 gerwinin: ok, well that is interesting for GSM call-in systems. Dec 15 22:03:27 i.e. attach GSM module with SIM card to an embedded unit, to operate it over GSM. Dec 15 22:03:41 Likewise: I did that for gprs Dec 15 22:03:48 Likewise tracking and tracing :( Dec 15 22:05:06 Likewise: we had the modules from tellit and some french company Dec 15 22:05:20 Likewise: wismo it was called Dec 15 22:09:16 evening... Dec 15 22:09:21 hi zecke Dec 15 22:10:59 hey Dec 15 22:11:07 What is up with the BTS again? Dec 15 22:15:05 good nite folks Dec 15 22:17:30 hrw congrates for new job... Dec 15 22:19:01 thx Dec 15 22:22:57 hrw: 3.5.4 is cool Dec 15 22:24:01 hrw: congrats ! Dec 15 22:25:02 hi guys Dec 15 22:25:09 hi Dec 15 22:25:38 i want to ask for pwerful linux-friendly SoC and SBC Dec 15 22:25:52 could anyone give me recommandations? Dec 15 22:26:51 linuxxy: budget ? Dec 15 22:26:56 linnuxxy: Cirrus EP9312 if you want a cheap nice solution, budget. Dec 15 22:27:14 linuxxy: special requirements? Dec 15 22:27:36 i need a powerful, reliable MCU for real time Dec 15 22:27:48 hard real time Dec 15 22:28:14 linnuxxy: so you want tot use the -rt patches, or a parallel running rt kernel? Dec 15 22:28:35 There is NO official hard real-time kernel yet. Dec 15 22:29:09 im looking for the hardware product now... maybe i will use th patch Dec 15 22:29:19 linnuxxy: this is a nice board I think, work with OE: http://www.glomationinc.com/products_9312-sx.html Dec 15 22:30:09 i prefer something from a big vendore like analog devices or atmel Dec 15 22:30:26 Likewise: price ? Dec 15 22:30:47 gerwinin: $80 some Dec 15 22:31:00 Likewise: where to order ? Dec 15 22:31:22 gerwinin: USA. Also, www.embeddedarm.com has some 93xx boards. Dec 15 22:31:54 linnuxxy: ok, yes, atmel has the 9200 series processor, very much alike and better for industrial applications. Dec 15 22:33:07 Likewise: I am discussing with gigabyte now to make some boards available for oe Dec 15 22:37:33 gerwinin: cool Dec 15 22:38:06 gerwinin: how's stuff with your (former) work? Dec 15 22:39:11 Likewise: the judge declared the whole case as illegal act of my employer he has to take me and my collegues back or pay a lot of money Dec 15 22:40:29 gerwinin: well done Dec 15 22:40:32 Likewise: he has to eat the shit , but to be honest I wanted everything to be solved Dec 15 22:40:43 gerwinin: so what now? Dec 15 22:41:17 Likewise: Well we need to wait now for a reaction of my employer and that can take up to one week Dec 15 22:41:56 Likewise : if he takes me back I am obligated to stay there until the 12th of januari Dec 15 22:42:56 gerwinin: and you can stay there longer then, but that would be an ackward situation, right? Dec 15 22:44:04 Likewise : yes but the judge said that if my employer does one more thing to me or the others he will have a problem Dec 15 22:45:53 Likewise : Although I would like to move on , I need to handle everything of Dec 15 22:57:59 hrw: Your work on the Marvell wlan driver, right? Just got this on netdev: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.network/52243/focus=52243 Dec 15 23:10:52 stefan_schmidt: we decided to use 8388 as base some time ago Dec 15 23:11:32 can I delete the dirs in build/tmp/work once it's finished compiling? Dec 15 23:12:06 or more to the point. if I do what will I be loosing? a spedy re compile? Dec 15 23:13:09 hrw: ok, I just reminded that you work on it as I had read about it again. Dec 15 23:29:04 cu **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 16 02:59:57 2006