**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 18 03:00:05 2006 Dec 18 03:13:17 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r3ac33082... 10/ (1 packages/blueprobe/blueprobe.inc): blueprobe: add the *.inc file that mtn apparently forgot last time. Thanks, psokolovsky. Dec 18 06:21:42 RP: The clock stuff should be at least documented enough to implement it now. I'll look into the MMC/SD specs later this week and see if I can put some more info on the page Dec 18 06:22:34 RP: Let me know if you want any more info Dec 18 06:45:51 good morning Dec 18 07:52:47 hi, all! any pkg-config gurus? Dec 18 08:01:48 well pkg-config hal --libs under devshell tells Unknown keyword 'Haluser', any ideas? Dec 18 08:02:10 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r1d23208d... 10/ (10 files in 3 dirs): gcc: dropped 4.1-20060217 snapshot - it is unfetchable from GNU mirrors Dec 18 08:23:36 morning Dec 18 08:28:32 good morning, all! Dec 18 08:35:21 03xora 07org.oe.oz354x * ra1dd3b2f... 10/ (30 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed) Dec 18 08:35:21 mplayer_1.0rc1.bb : sync mplayer version with .dev latest. Dec 18 08:35:21 removed old versions of mplayer and mplayer-atty as they are obsoleted by Dec 18 08:35:21 this change. Dec 18 08:35:21 Fixed bug #1666 for the branch by added a collie specific patch to remove Dec 18 08:35:22 mplayers noexecstack flags. As for some reason collie alone has all .so's Dec 18 08:35:24 set to executable stacks. Dec 18 08:38:07 morning Dec 18 08:38:34 XorA: thx Dec 18 08:38:59 koen: can you give laibsch forward for his key email? Dec 18 08:38:59 hrw|work: should have gone last night, but I forgot to sync the branch in my script Dec 18 08:39:33 koen: I got few emails today which was send to his key-email and bounced so people sent them to me Dec 18 08:39:52 hrw|work: you need to make a .forward in your homedir at ltg for that to work Dec 18 08:40:21 koen: my add works. his not - so he has to make a forward? Dec 18 08:40:35 I guess so Dec 18 08:40:39 mail == voodoo Dec 18 08:41:19 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r586fdd72... 10/ (1 packages/ezx/opentapi_svn.bb): opentapi: add svn version Dec 18 08:41:50 8.7G contain my source mirror Dec 18 09:25:31 good morning everyone Dec 18 09:27:06 hey vlo Dec 18 09:27:58 I made a fresh pull this morning, and I noticed a bug was reinserted into mx31ads-kernel recipe Dec 18 09:37:21 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r044ac256... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): linux-smdk2440_2.6.19.bb : new kernel version, removed old ones. Dec 18 09:38:01 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r63a6f634... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): linuxs-_smdk2440_2.6.19 : add missed touchscreen patch. Dec 18 09:41:48 psokolovsky: was it you who koen said had patches to make ipkg-make-index work 1000 times faster? Dec 18 09:43:06 !oebug 1611 Dec 18 09:43:07 * * Bug 1611, Status: NEW, Created: 2006-11-23 07:14 Dec 18 09:43:08 * * valentin.longchamp(AT)epfl.ch: small typo in mx31ads-kernel recipe Dec 18 09:43:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1611 Dec 18 09:45:29 vlo should they not be -eq anyway? Dec 18 09:46:44 XorA: yes would work too, but wanted to change lrg recipe as less as possible Dec 18 09:49:57 vlo: send me a rubber mallet and Ill hit him for you :-) Dec 18 09:51:45 hi all Dec 18 09:52:30 vlo, XorA: that code is pasted from other kernel recipes, where it works, so I'm a bit affraid to change it Dec 18 09:52:52 koen: I was just thinking that == is a bashism is it not? Dec 18 09:52:59 * koen has no idea Dec 18 09:53:05 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rd131d338... 10/ (1 packages/libsamplerate/libsamplerate0_0.1.2.bb): libsamplerate: fix packaging - close #1698 Dec 18 09:53:16 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rfa537f6e... 10/ (1 packages/libsamplerate/libsamplerate0_0.1.2.bb): libsamplerate: fix packaging - close #1698 Dec 18 09:53:18 * XorA doesnt have his sh shell reference to hand Dec 18 09:53:49 XorA: yeah, I think it is a bashism: here it didn't work because ubuntu used dash (instead of bash) ... maybe it works now that I have bash as default ! Dec 18 09:53:50 NOTE: package gmp-native-4.2.1-r1: task do_configure: started Dec 18 09:54:01 self hosted progressinng Dec 18 09:54:24 hrw|work: everyday we get nearer bumping debian off :-) Dec 18 09:55:07 ~oebug !1697 Dec 18 09:55:15 !oebug 1697 Dec 18 09:55:15 * * Bug 1697, Status: NEW, Created: 2006-12-18 00:37 Dec 18 09:55:16 * * openembedded(AT)hrw.one.pl: glibc-intermediate 2.4 can not be built under Angstrom due to rpcgen change Dec 18 09:55:18 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1697 Dec 18 09:55:29 XorA: this one is hard... Dec 18 09:55:58 hrw|work: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh RPCGEN Dec 18 09:56:40 XorA: you like it too? Dec 18 09:57:21 how could I regenerate Packages file in tmp/deploy/ipk ? is there any bitbake target? Dec 18 09:57:23 hrw|work: I used to port a nfs based crypto fs forward to a recent linux version, rpcgen is pretty much the stupidest tool ever Dec 18 09:58:02 slapin_nb: bitbake package-index Dec 18 09:59:17 can bbclass download a file ? should i use wget or is there another way ? i am trying to 'automagically' get the correct icecc-create-env script regardless of what icecc or the user has installed Dec 18 10:00:07 Ifaistos: add it to SRC_URI Dec 18 10:00:13 NOTE: package gcc-cross-4.1.1-r8: task do_unpack: started Dec 18 10:00:42 XorA : Which SRC_URI ? this is for the icecc.bbclass Dec 18 10:01:21 Ifaistos: is that not used by a .bb to build icecc, or did I misunderstand Dec 18 10:01:57 XorA : nop. its used to distribute compile tasks to remote machines Dec 18 10:02:15 Ifaistos: oh ok, Ill shut up then :-) Dec 18 10:02:32 Ifaistos: DEPENDS += "icecc-script" + icecc-script.bb? Dec 18 10:02:45 Ifaistos: look at gettext.bbclass for example Dec 18 10:02:50 morning mickeyl Dec 18 10:02:59 hrw|work : Thanks Dec 18 10:03:10 mickeyl: do you know that Angstrom can build Angstrom? Dec 18 10:03:29 morning guys Dec 18 10:03:34 i didn't. good work! Dec 18 10:03:59 mickeyl: need patch from #1697 but works then Dec 18 10:04:00 hey mickeyl Dec 18 10:05:09 * mickeyl just stumbled over http://myspace.com/c64orchestra Dec 18 10:05:11 that stuff is so cool Dec 18 10:09:07 Hi! Dec 18 10:09:26 XorA, possibly ;-) but only ~100 times ;-) Dec 18 10:09:46 psokolovsky: got a url? Dec 18 10:09:52 Mem: 1296504k total, 1272924k used, 23580k free, 134304k buffers Dec 18 10:11:30 XorA, nope, unfortunately. Got to limit what I work on ;-(, and last time I concentrate on kernel/pushing distro-related patches I prepared before. Dec 18 10:19:32 mickeyl: heh, that music was recorded at the local podium I used to frequent in highschool Dec 18 10:19:41 some one want to add helloworld_1.0.bb? Dec 18 10:21:12 koen: cool Dec 18 10:21:42 mickeyl: even nirvana played there before they got hugely famous Dec 18 10:26:44 NOTE: package gcc-cross-4.1.1: completed Dec 18 10:26:48 YEAH Dec 18 10:26:53 hrw|work: yay! Dec 18 10:30:13 now need to make proper recipes and will get xmas gift ;D Dec 18 10:30:41 :) Dec 18 10:34:02 koen: texinfo for angstrom/i686 please Dec 18 10:34:28 hrw|work: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=texinfo Dec 18 10:34:31 already there :) Dec 18 10:34:45 so ipkg update time Dec 18 10:35:08 /home/hrw/devel/build/test $ ipkg list_installed|wc 922 3688 40415 Dec 18 10:35:25 61 recipes needed + perl Dec 18 10:36:05 koen: cvs/subversion/monotone - can you? Dec 18 10:36:26 time for holy grail: bitbake nano Dec 18 10:36:27 apr is broken so no svn Dec 18 10:36:49 koen: can you show me failed log? Dec 18 10:36:56 sure Dec 18 10:40:37 hrw|work: http://rafb.net/paste/results/NXWoQd74.html Dec 18 10:40:59 ah.. that one Dec 18 10:41:08 iirc I have unpushed fix... Dec 18 10:44:30 cvs and mtn 0.28 pushed to i686 feeds Dec 18 10:48:31 thx Dec 18 10:48:39 I started build of subversion on ewi Dec 18 10:55:58 NOTE: package subversion-1.4.0-r1: task do_compile: started Dec 18 10:56:18 * XorA injects gremlins into hrw|work build :-) Dec 18 11:01:45 XorA: | /home/hrw/devel/build/collie-dev/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-linux/3.4.4/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lsqlite Dec 18 11:01:46 ~lart you Dec 18 11:01:47 * ibot_ beats hrw|work into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy Dec 18 11:02:02 ibot_: lart xora not me Dec 18 11:03:41 hrw|work: even ibot_ has it in for you Dec 18 11:04:25 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra6859f5f... 10/ (1 packages/boost/boost_1.33.1.bb): boost: update to 1.33.1 Dec 18 11:04:54 NOTE: package monotone-6-0.31-r0: task do_compile: started Dec 18 11:10:08 hrw|work: mtn 0.31 added to the i686 feed Dec 18 11:10:25 koen: so how did you kill oesf :-) Dec 18 11:10:41 XorA: I think they hubris caught up with them Dec 18 11:10:46 s/they/their/ Dec 18 11:11:17 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rcfef3514... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): monotone: add 0.31 Dec 18 11:13:15 tss Dec 18 11:14:09 mickeyl: did you get that devboard running yet? Dec 18 11:14:28 which one? Dec 18 11:14:41 FIC? Dec 18 11:14:49 the one with the 280DPI display Dec 18 11:15:17 i had no single moment to work on it. this is scheduled for later today [finally] Dec 18 11:15:47 * koen starts polishing the dpi cluebat Dec 18 11:17:27 koen: its never gonna happen Dec 18 11:18:01 XorA: what isn't going to happen? Dec 18 11:18:21 koen: linux DPI to work, last I checked both gnome and kde were hardwaired to 96DPI Dec 18 11:18:32 right Dec 18 11:18:46 but gnome and kde don't have mickeyl as chief architect :) Dec 18 11:18:49 03xora 07org.oe.dev * rd8ef77dd... 10/ (1 packages/mplayer/mplayer_0.0+1.0rc1.bb): Dec 18 11:18:49 mplayer_0.0+1.0rc1.bb : add patch for #1666 for collie Dec 18 11:18:49 Thanks to the reporter of #1666 for the patch. Dec 18 11:19:00 worse thing is gtk+ works in some widgets at 200 dpi, and not in others :-( Dec 18 11:19:24 http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/index.php/v/Koen/los/F2FA7374.jpg.html?q=gallery&g2_0=gallery&g2_fromNavId=x3285d187 Dec 18 11:19:31 kinda foggy over here Dec 18 11:19:53 koen: nice Dec 18 11:20:11 koen: freezing fog here this morning, but sun burnt it off now Dec 18 11:25:50 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r3ac74c1b... 10/ (1 packages/apr/apr-util_1.2.7.bb): apr-util 1.2.7: do not build with sqlite2/3 support Dec 18 11:39:53 gcc-4.1.1-pr13685-1 doesn't apply here Dec 18 11:40:09 Hunk #1 FAILED at 1502. Dec 18 11:40:18 saving rejects to file gcc/config/i386/i386.c.rej Dec 18 11:43:25 mickeyl: you don't have any local patches? Dec 18 11:44:38 | checking for apr_int64_t Python/C API format string... Dec 18 11:44:41 | configure: error: failed to recognize APR_INT64_T_FMT on this platform Dec 18 11:44:50 ~lart subversion Dec 18 11:45:38 * ibot_ whacks subversion with the cluebat Dec 18 12:00:23 koen: no local patches Dec 18 12:01:15 mickeyl: weird, I have no local diff in gcc/ and I rebuild gcc a number of times since then Dec 18 12:01:22 cross-4.1.1-r9? Dec 18 12:01:38 gcc, gcc-cross and gcc-cross-initial Dec 18 12:03:33 mickeyl: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=libgcc1 Dec 18 12:07:27 well, i can't see why it doesn't apply here Dec 18 12:07:41 but it doesn't Dec 18 12:07:42 | /home/hrw/devel/build/collie-dev/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-linux/3.4.4/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -laprutil-1 Dec 18 12:07:46 argh Dec 18 12:10:41 NOTE: package nano-1.3.9-r0: task do_build: completed Dec 18 12:10:45 selfhosted Dec 18 12:11:53 XorA: I believe you forget the disable*.patch file in your commit. Dec 18 12:12:42 Laibsch: you have account on LTG? Dec 18 12:13:53 Laibsch, hrw|work: could you read the first sentence from http://www.openembedded.org/people ? Dec 18 12:14:02 Laibsch: you beleive right :-) Dec 18 12:14:22 koen: can you say it to OE users which USE them as emails? Dec 18 12:14:30 *USERS* Dec 18 12:14:51 you can't cure idiotism Dec 18 12:14:58 I know Dec 18 12:16:13 my chroot is 535M Dec 18 12:18:01 Laibsch: should be it now Dec 18 12:19:34 hi florian_kc Dec 18 12:20:35 hi all Dec 18 12:32:52 hrw|work: no I don't. Dec 18 12:33:35 koen: What about that first sentence? Dec 18 12:36:12 ~lart libtool Dec 18 12:36:13 * ibot_ gives libtool a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" Dec 18 12:46:30 hrw|work: does inherit lib_package help for apr-util? Dec 18 12:47:11 good question Dec 18 12:47:26 rather not because it already inherit it Dec 18 12:51:04 D'oh! Dec 18 12:51:36 the sed rule problable needs to sed out WORKDIR Dec 18 12:51:38 as well Dec 18 12:52:41 koen, hrw|work: ??? Dec 18 12:52:57 gcc also fails to patch on my 2nd devel machine Dec 18 12:53:08 can anyone else confirm or deny? Dec 18 12:53:09 mickeyl: hey, how are you? Dec 18 12:53:13 hey zecke Dec 18 12:53:16 not bad Dec 18 12:53:20 and you? Dec 18 12:53:29 fine as well Dec 18 12:53:43 almost failed my physics 'test' today... need to rewrite it new year :} Dec 18 12:53:47 eeks Dec 18 12:53:52 almost? Dec 18 12:53:53 didn't feel too well in the morning anyway... Dec 18 12:53:54 or fully Dec 18 12:54:33 you need 12 of 18 points to pass, I scored 10.5 but if you have more than 9 points you may participate in the experiment Dec 18 12:55:21 Laibsch: some user complained to me twice on hrw@openembedded email - first mail was copy of failed delivery to laibsch@openembedded Dec 18 12:56:14 what about? Dec 18 12:56:20 blueprobe? Dec 18 12:58:06 yes Dec 18 12:58:13 That is fixed. Dec 18 12:58:16 I know Dec 18 12:58:30 someone hit it before fixing and wanted to complain Dec 18 12:58:42 BTW, koen, I would be much more careful in calling other ppl idiots if I were you. I think it is not so unreasonable to assume that laibsch@openembedded.org is a valid email if I looked at http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=a3b16e7432a5fa5e274d4bd9a81e933a37a23946 for example. Dec 18 12:59:08 First sentence written somewhere else or not. Dec 18 12:59:26 eh Dec 18 12:59:31 hrw|work: sorry about that. Dec 18 12:59:52 well, http://www.openembedded.org/people states otherwise, perhaps we should add a link to that page into the Author: field Dec 18 12:59:57 Laibsch: we have clear note, if people choose to ignore that, they are idiots Dec 18 13:00:11 and as I said, we can't cure idiotism Dec 18 13:01:12 hrw|work: my mistake. I wrongly assumed mtn would always complain if there are files which are not added to mtn yet when doing "mtn commit $dir". It had done so a few times previously. Dec 18 13:02:12 Laibsch: and how would you describe someone ignoring a 'failed delivery notice' ? Dec 18 13:03:18 koen: What benefit do you get from calling idiots? Dec 18 13:03:28 If anything this is ignorance and this is well curable. Dec 18 13:03:37 By education. Dec 18 13:03:41 Bad manners seem to spread, though. Dec 18 13:04:09 That clear note, BTW, is not at all clear when reading just the commit. Dec 18 13:05:11 Laibsch: insulting users is a long unix tradition, just check out the lusers command Dec 18 13:05:27 some traditions are meant to be broken. Dec 18 13:05:32 This one certainly is. Dec 18 13:05:49 This is not tradition. Insulting users really is idiocy. Dec 18 13:06:45 don't listen to devs :) Dec 18 13:07:13 don't have an idea about the current incidence though Dec 18 13:08:17 mickeyl: Do the commits needs to be made by $user@openembedded.org? Would it be possible to have it done just by $user? Or otherwise have all $user@ "accounts" either forward to another address or being real accounts? You understand where I am getting at? I think it is better to either not commits with user@... or have this be addresses where the committer can be reached. Any kind of note will never cure that. Believing otherwise might also be idio Dec 18 13:08:17 Laibsch: --author Dec 18 13:08:40 Laibsch: takes everything you want to give. Make sure it obvious who is the author Dec 18 13:08:42 zecke: I meant a change to the default. Dec 18 13:09:23 It seems that is $user@openembedded.org which seems to be easy to misinterpret for an email address which it is not always. Dec 18 13:10:11 Laibsch: hmm, I don't know this incidence so here are my two cents Dec 18 13:10:40 Laibsch: 1) People (probably users) should be more clever than the average spam bot and not everything with '@' is an email address Dec 18 13:11:34 2) it is a keyname, it represents trust, origin of the developer Dec 18 13:11:44 and is not a coordinate on how to get hold of this developer :) Dec 18 13:11:54 ~users Dec 18 13:12:04 I don't want to talk to users who can't figure out how to properly contact me ... Dec 18 13:12:08 I have a problem with OE Dec 18 13:12:20 glibc-utils NEED cpp to be usable Dec 18 13:12:29 but to build cpp you need glibc Dec 18 13:12:30 zecke: BTW, it was the gtkmm version which was giving me problems for the cvs version of granule. Good instinct! Dec 18 13:12:56 so RDEPENDS_glibc-utils = "cpp" is not a solution.. Dec 18 13:13:02 Laibsch: hehe, I'm following my instinct and will eat something Dec 18 13:13:08 so this is what we get for sharing our unpaid volunteer work with you? complaints and accuses? well done, this clearly supports our motivation to continue working on open source projects. Dec 18 13:13:13 hrw|work: should I create a static cpp? Dec 18 13:13:49 zecke|food: cpp in python :-) Dec 18 13:13:57 zecke|food: not needed Dec 18 13:14:20 zecke|food: on target you need cpp for glibc-utils, during build you normally have it on host Dec 18 13:29:28 hrw|work: ask the CPP question on the list Dec 18 13:41:42 will do Dec 18 13:49:51 wb greentux Dec 18 13:53:24 CIA-4: ping Dec 18 13:55:22 koen: can you do 'bitbake task-self-hosting' and add into feed? Dec 18 13:55:53 I can try :) Dec 18 13:55:54 03xora 07org.oe.oz354x * r2ba9a32f... 10/ (1 packages/gtk+/gtk+-1.2_1.2.10.bb): gtk+-1.2_1.2.10.bb : needs libxt provided by xt bb file Dec 18 13:56:00 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r1d2340f5... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-self-hosting.bb): Dec 18 13:56:00 task-self-hosting: Metapackage to install everything needed for self hosted builds Dec 18 13:56:00 Tested with Angstrom-2007.1/i686 build in chroot - bitbake nano finished. Dec 18 13:56:05 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r376e6271... 10/ (1 packages/mplayer/files/disable-executable-stack-test.patch): mplayer_0.0+1.0rc1.bb : remeber the actual patch Dec 18 14:03:38 hrw|work: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=task-self-hosting Dec 18 14:03:58 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rdc67e5dc... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-self-hosting.bb): task-self-hosting: fix typos Dec 18 14:04:02 hrw|work: as you can see subversion is still missing Dec 18 14:04:24 since apr-util 0.9.12 fails to build and 1.2.7 doesn't get picked up by svn Dec 18 14:05:12 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8b3f99ca... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-self-hosting.bb): task-self-hosting: fix packaging Dec 18 14:05:15 I know. Dec 18 14:06:06 pong hrw|work Dec 18 14:06:13 I need to check at home do I have some patches for it Dec 18 14:06:20 pöng greentux Dec 18 14:07:26 re Dec 18 14:07:51 hrw|work: I can extract a static stand alone version of CPP if you want to Dec 18 14:09:35 zecke|food: I can do 'bitbake gcc' and then 'ipkg install cpp glibc-utils' without problems Dec 18 14:10:00 zecke|food: the problem rather is 'how to tell bitbake to use RDEPENDS without building RDEPENDS Dec 18 14:11:51 03xora 07org.oe.oz354x * r8f08a719... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): glib-1.2_1.2.10.bb : import patch from .dev to fix pkgconfig usage. Dec 18 14:12:10 mail sent Dec 18 14:12:28 I bet RP will say bad things about debian.bbclass ;) Dec 18 14:12:41 * zecke|food too Dec 18 14:19:10 now time to fix binutils<>busybox<>elfutils? Dec 18 14:19:28 03xora 07org.oe.oz354x * rb9070fe5... 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Dec 18 14:19:28 dillo_0.8.6.bb: Add the enhanced version of dillo that was added to .dev Dec 18 14:19:28 supports nice features like frames and tabs. Dec 18 14:33:58 has somebody experience with syncml and opie/gpe? Dec 18 14:34:23 both can sync to opensync, which in turn supports syncml Dec 18 14:34:37 * ade|desk wonders about a self-hosting uclibc build Dec 18 14:35:50 koen: tnx... also some advaced features like reaccuring dates ? Dec 18 14:36:19 greentux: depends on what the opensync plugin supports Dec 18 14:36:30 afaik the opie one is broken Dec 18 14:36:52 yeah according to paul's blog it needs some more work Dec 18 14:36:52 opie broken .... never Dec 18 14:37:06 * ade|desk hides Dec 18 14:37:47 ok and the gpe apps (datebook/adressbook) are prepared to use the opensync...? I tested opie 1 year ago... never gpe Dec 18 14:38:11 greentux: yes, that's what gpesync does Dec 18 14:38:21 greentux: #gpe, btw Dec 18 14:38:28 tnx Dec 18 14:54:11 hrw|work: hi Dec 18 14:54:24 hi schurig Dec 18 14:54:33 hrw|work: I did have NIL free time in the last weeks. Fixing customer problems all the time ... and the company I work for moved to a new location as well Dec 18 14:55:10 schurig: smaller or bigger office? Dec 18 14:55:19 schurig: heh.. I have other workk too Dec 18 14:55:21 zecke: smaller & cheaper Dec 18 14:55:47 zecke: we didn't use the 2nd floor (english, american counting, not german) Dec 18 14:56:15 and in the new location we pay almost half the monthly rent that we paid in the other building Dec 18 15:00:04 schurig: yeah we count from 0, its the binary in us ;) Dec 18 15:01:06 schurig: but uk and america differ in floor counting Dec 18 15:02:16 XorA: didn't knew this Dec 18 15:02:44 here we (God ol' Germany) have cellar, basement, 1st floor, 2nd floor and so on Dec 18 15:02:52 schurig: we coung Ground, 1st, 2nd Dec 18 15:03:08 schurig: so sound like UK == German Dec 18 15:03:13 XorA: so you are normal people Dec 18 15:03:17 == Poland Dec 18 15:03:27 XorA: that's weird. I always thought that UK does everything different :-) Dec 18 15:04:05 schurig: I feel more at home in a european country I dont speak the language of than I ever did in the USA Dec 18 15:04:21 schurig: so I guess we are nearer EU than tabloids let on Dec 18 15:07:19 /dev/hda6 41G 38G 861M 98% /home hmmm, time to purge the pr0n collection a bit Dec 18 15:08:27 although Dec 18 15:08:33 ~lart metric measurements Dec 18 15:08:33 * ibot_ acting on orders from an unspecified client drags metric measurements into court suing for $200 million Dec 18 15:11:23 XorA: miles for real distance , metres for dist to junction, and height in feet ... thats what should happen Dec 18 15:12:27 whats easier to order, 1 Pint of beer, or 568ml of beer :-) Dec 18 15:12:38 'a' beer Dec 18 15:12:46 'that one' Dec 18 15:13:18 its now illegal in the UK to use imperial :-( Dec 18 15:13:24 ordering a guinness in the usa is nerve wrecking as well Dec 18 15:13:32 XorA: one burbon, one scotch and one beer :) Dec 18 15:13:49 XorA: no its not, it just has to be labelled in metric first Dec 18 15:13:51 one Tyskie Dec 18 15:14:09 ade|desk: no, its going to change again I beleive to make imperial totally outlawed Dec 18 15:14:18 ade|desk: we got some legal notice at work Dec 18 15:14:30 * hvontres|poodle wishes the yanks would finally get rid of those fscking inches etc as well Dec 18 15:15:22 inches rock, long live inches Dec 18 15:15:36 oh well , thats life, pubs will sell 500ml with +- 68ml error i guess Dec 18 15:15:39 inches are emu Dec 18 15:15:44 XorA: http://youtube.com/watch?v=F7o7r6IvGLk Dec 18 15:15:45 s/emu/emo/ Dec 18 15:16:10 XorA: Obviously you don't work as a Mechanical Designer then...:) Dec 18 15:16:36 hvontres|poodle: at least if yah all used inches, space ships would end up the right size :-) Dec 18 15:17:13 * XorA checks his black attire, New Rock boots, and hides from koen Dec 18 15:17:50 heh Dec 18 15:17:52 rock boots Dec 18 15:18:03 it's been a while since I saw a pair of those Dec 18 15:18:53 XorA: Just think tho... you could go 120 without getting as big a ticket :) Dec 18 15:19:15 XorA: then just order half-a-liter of beer Dec 18 15:19:19 * ade|desk needs to buy a belay device again, and not use it as a present this time Dec 18 15:19:40 120? Dec 18 15:19:56 move to germany, the slow lane goes 160 :) Dec 18 15:20:00 (but actually most glasses are 0.33 liter here, I guess (/me doesn't drink alcohol) Dec 18 15:20:31 koen: I live in the land of the 405 freeway... we are lucky to get up to 65 miles/hr... :) Dec 18 15:20:32 ah! a woman's drink m'lord Dec 18 15:20:59 schurig: then I miss 68ml of getting drunk juice :-) Dec 18 15:21:16 koen: there's no slow lane. Just many drivers from netherlands that didn't get a license after 3 attempts which will then get a yellow car sign plate by grace Dec 18 15:21:46 NL = Nur Links fahren Dec 18 15:21:58 lol Dec 18 15:22:21 koen: NL = Nur Langsam fahren Dec 18 15:22:25 and the plates have nothing to do with a drivers license Dec 18 15:22:37 koen: Lottery? Dec 18 15:23:04 the plates go with the car Dec 18 15:23:22 you can have a car with plates without having a driver license Dec 18 15:23:39 koen: (you probably get them after insuring your car, but what I wrote is just a joke that many germans make about dutch car drivers, translated by my incomplete skills from DE to EN) Dec 18 15:23:41 just don't drive it on the road Dec 18 15:24:19 does that work with lorries too, i was stuck behind a .nl plate thismorning... 40mph .... grrr Dec 18 15:24:21 * XorA guesses all plates in .nl are yellow Dec 18 15:24:45 schurig: at least you don't have to deal with morons in 2 ton SUV's yacking on the phone while changing lanes right into you :) Dec 18 15:25:27 hvontres|poodle: Ive seen a 40 ton artic go off the road because the driver was reading his paper :-) Dec 18 15:25:33 XorA: only the ones from the last 30 years Dec 18 15:26:14 then schurig joke is good :-) Dec 18 15:26:23 i think the swiss have personal plates and a book listing all the people, so you can have a quiet word about their driving ... nice idea Dec 18 15:26:43 XorA: sure, but I get to drive with these idots DAILY...(well at least when I don't take the train ) Dec 18 15:26:54 ... also you can find out the nice skirt's address as they fly by in an open top Dec 18 15:27:33 hvontres|poodle: thats why I get the train into Edinburgh :-), that and I couldnt be bothered to sit test again Dec 18 15:27:34 ade|desk: How many cars total do you think the swiss have :) Dec 18 15:27:43 7 Dec 18 15:28:05 XorA: Edinburgh..... Brrrrrr Dec 18 15:28:07 maybe 8 Dec 18 15:28:30 * hvontres|poodle preferes so-cal this time of year :) Dec 18 15:28:50 hvontres|poodle: because it never rains there? Dec 18 15:29:16 XorA: the classic comment from DofE: how do you keep the locals off the sauce long enough for them to take the test Dec 18 15:29:39 at a driving test center in glasgow Dec 18 15:29:45 ade|desk: :-D Dec 18 15:30:18 he's a card that one Dec 18 15:30:35 britain best comic imho Dec 18 15:31:05 ah that wiring looks like its been done be an indian Dec 18 15:31:25 dont stay too long you'll go all slitty'eyed Dec 18 15:31:41 genius Dec 18 15:32:04 what an ambassador ! Dec 18 15:32:18 * kergoth yawns Dec 18 15:32:20 koen: It does too :) And watching the local TV "Weather" people go into near panic over 1-2 cm of rain is comical :) Dec 18 15:33:53 hvontres|poodle: thats enough to stop all trains around london :-) Dec 18 15:38:37 a single leaf can do that Dec 18 15:42:15 hey kergoth Dec 18 16:18:26 mickeyl: getting ready for dinner? Dec 18 16:18:31 :D Dec 18 16:19:09 never under estimate the power of food Dec 18 16:20:19 a peanut has ~4J.... no wait that wrong ... its 22J , doh! Dec 18 16:20:49 D'oh! Nuts! Dec 18 16:20:54 hmmmm Dec 18 16:20:55 mmmmm.... donuts..... Dec 18 16:21:18 ~curse idiots which send mails by selecting random mail and pressing ;reply; or ;forward; Dec 18 16:21:30 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, idiots which send mails by selecting random mail and pressing ;reply; or ;forward; ! Dec 18 16:21:51 ~lart idiots who use 'reply all' blindly Dec 18 16:21:51 * ibot_ stamps idiots who use 'reply all' blindly on the forehead with the official Troll marker Dec 18 16:21:57 its reply / reply-all with lists thats more fun Dec 18 16:25:28 Ifaistos: 2006-12-18 17:53:53 1GvhEo-0003hR-Vr == skoroneos@digital-opsis.com R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (110): Connection timed out Dec 18 16:27:51 mickeyl: when are you leaving brussels? Dec 18 16:27:54 mickeyl: monday? Dec 18 16:28:08 koen: yeah. at first, we need to help cleaning up, 2nd leaving on sunday is stress Dec 18 16:28:30 cool Dec 18 16:28:36 * koen books an extra night Dec 18 16:28:42 fine! Dec 18 16:28:50 prepare to have a breakfast partner monday :) Dec 18 16:29:04 cool! Dec 18 16:31:42 hmm what's the command to get a removed file back again? Dec 18 16:31:45 (mtn, that is)= Dec 18 16:31:58 mtn revert --missing Dec 18 16:32:03 without -- Dec 18 16:32:05 no, it's been removed in the repository Dec 18 16:32:10 not in my workspace Dec 18 16:32:24 mtn doesn't have file revival Dec 18 16:32:27 oh, hmm disapprove of the remove? pluck it? Dec 18 16:32:36 you'd need to check out the old rev Dec 18 16:32:51 bonsai will help to find when it was removed Dec 18 16:33:01 http://www.hrw.one.pl/2006/12/18/self-hosted-angstrom-build/ Dec 18 16:33:04 hmmk, thanks Dec 18 16:33:05 njs can give you a good explanation why revival isn't supported (yet) Dec 18 16:33:08 * mickeyl needs to repair eds-dbus Dec 18 16:33:16 ~seen njs Dec 18 16:33:19 your latest sync with poky broke 20060126 Dec 18 16:33:39 njs was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 27d 14h 11m 29s ago, saying: '...if monotone is already using a full cpu, then splitting out io onto another cpu is not going to make any difference, because obviously io is not where it is spending time :-)'. Dec 18 16:33:47 20060126? my birthday? who would break something on/for my birthday? Dec 18 16:34:37 zecke: 24th? Dec 18 16:34:51 2006 was the 23rd :} Dec 18 16:35:21 room booked Dec 18 16:36:12 cool Dec 18 16:38:22 heh Dec 18 16:38:34 looking at exim logs is quite funny Dec 18 16:50:58 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r9d4c6381... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): eds-dbus: repair build for SRCDATE=20060126 which has been broken by previous sync. w/ poky Dec 18 16:51:00 cu Dec 18 17:04:12 * mrz80 is away: Metaphysically I'm still here; physically, I'm elsewhere Dec 18 17:13:46 do you know the semantic of varargs? Dec 18 17:15:03 semantics? Dec 18 17:15:17 you mean '...' / va_start/va_end? Dec 18 17:15:29 copying va_list :) Dec 18 17:15:43 MSVC can't do define FOO(fmt...) Dec 18 17:16:12 bummer Dec 18 17:16:14 that's quite handy in times Dec 18 17:16:41 you need to do static void inline FOO(...) but now I need to pass the va_list to a couple of... Dec 18 17:16:49 hahahah Dec 18 17:16:51 http://autoconf-archive.cryp.to/ Dec 18 17:16:58 Your system policy has denied access to the requested URL. Dec 18 17:17:02 Your system policy has denied access to the requested URL. Dec 18 17:17:05 Your request was categorized by Blue Coat Web Filter as 'Adult/Mature Content;Arts/Entertainment;Blogs/Newsgroups'. Dec 18 17:17:11 gotta love corporate filters Dec 18 17:17:13 heh Dec 18 17:17:13 ? Dec 18 17:17:15 cheers kergoth Dec 18 17:17:17 oh ones, the m4 macros are adult! Dec 18 17:17:19 whose filter? Dec 18 17:17:23 s/ones/noes/ Dec 18 17:17:33 boo for working for a government contractor :P Dec 18 17:17:42 no kidding, m4 -- that's at least triple-x-rated stuff Dec 18 17:17:45 hmm, changing jobs again? Dec 18 17:17:50 went back to my old one Dec 18 17:17:54 when the openedhand contract ran out Dec 18 17:17:54 ah Dec 18 17:18:04 ah Dec 18 17:18:14 they must be desperate Dec 18 17:18:26 no doubt Dec 18 17:19:07 I guess working nights in Phoenix is good Dec 18 17:19:15 work days in winter :) Dec 18 17:20:39 i sent my resume to the recruiter since i saw the post on dice (for a couple months).. an hour and a half later i was set to start on monday Dec 18 17:20:43 yeah, i'd say desperate :P Dec 18 17:21:35 heh Dec 18 17:22:05 you need to work out an arrangement where you can do contract work without quitting Dec 18 17:25:43 koen : strange. when did it happen ? Dec 18 17:26:09 Ifaistos: for some while now Dec 18 17:26:20 Crofton: yeah, no doubt.. maybe thatd keep me from getting too bored :) Dec 18 17:26:31 Crofton: what are you working on nowadays? Dec 18 17:27:26 perl fails compilation for sharprom: http://oz.leggewie.org/wip/log.do_compile.20508, apparently because ./miniperl cannot be found. But miniperl is right there and executable in ${S}. Dec 18 17:27:48 This used to work before I cleaned out tmp. Dec 18 17:28:10 still software radio work Dec 18 17:28:17 arm-linux-ld: cannot find -lgcc_s Dec 18 17:28:17 make[1]: *** [libperl.so] Error 1 Dec 18 17:28:21 Or is it gcc_s that causes this failure? Dec 18 17:28:25 Laibsch: I find that one a bit more suspicious Dec 18 17:28:29 trying to get the OSK to really talk to a usrp at full speed usb Dec 18 17:28:34 and finish ms thesis Dec 18 17:28:38 OK. I will look into it. Dec 18 17:33:27 koen, mickeyl: I believe the problem is that gcc_s is not provided by the Sharp toolchain but it is assumed provided. Dec 18 17:34:20 right, gcc2 didn't have libgcc Dec 18 17:34:20 isn't gcc_s a gcc 3.x concept anyway? Dec 18 17:34:23 heh Dec 18 17:34:24 yeah Dec 18 17:34:41 a good reason to not work on a proprietary platform anymore :) Dec 18 17:34:53 i remember someone working for a certain company saying libgcc is evil and we should all use 2.95.3 Dec 18 17:35:41 koen lol Dec 18 17:35:57 * koen prefers gcc 2.96 Dec 18 17:36:05 2.95.3 was never released anyway Dec 18 17:36:46 * mrz80 is back (gone 00:32:34) Dec 18 17:37:01 hb Dec 18 17:37:09 hi hrw Dec 18 17:37:17 ~hail bittest Dec 18 17:37:24 * ibot_ bows down to bittest and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Dec 18 17:37:49 if gcc_s is newer stuff, will bug 1700 likely ever be fixed? Dec 18 17:37:51 I *NEED* new desk Dec 18 17:37:53 !oebug 1700 Dec 18 17:37:54 * * Bug 1700, Status: NEW, Created: 2006-12-18 10:03 Dec 18 17:37:55 * * bugs.openembedded.org(AT)rolf.leggewie.biz: perl fails compilation Dec 18 17:37:56 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1700 Dec 18 17:38:03 well Dec 18 17:38:12 i'm sure there was a usable perl a couple of years ago Dec 18 17:38:22 so if you really want, you could probably backport it Dec 18 17:38:33 * koen hugs sed Dec 18 17:39:18 ~lart ossie/*.bb Dec 18 17:39:19 * ibot_ beats ossie/*.bb to within 2.54cm of his life Dec 18 17:39:20 mickeyl I must have compiled it just the other day before cleaning out tmp because I did get to compilation for another package which seems to depend on it. Dec 18 17:39:50 Maybe preferring an older version will do it. Dec 18 17:40:21 mickeyl: heh, our 'old' perl refused to link against libgcc, so you had to LD_PRELOAD it Dec 18 17:41:15 #define apt BROKEN=1/EXCLUDE_FROM_WORLD Dec 18 17:42:45 we need mirror for sablevm.org Dec 18 17:43:03 later Dec 18 17:43:32 hrw hm? Dec 18 17:43:37 java gets free Dec 18 17:43:52 so sable isntneed anymore Dec 18 17:44:05 woglinde: we have it in OE and I'm doing source mirror Dec 18 17:44:28 dont think someone use it Dec 18 17:50:44 thats other thing Dec 18 17:52:18 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rf13c4cc0... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): cmake-native: update to 2.2.3 Dec 18 17:52:27 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r07888ab7... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): matchbox-desktop: fixed SRC_URI for 0.8* Dec 18 17:53:18 * greentux sent a mail to mickeyl Dec 18 17:54:10 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r687b5b3a... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): liblockfile: dropped 3 years old unfetchable 1.05 version Dec 18 17:54:19 hrw: I'm syncing my DL_DIR daily to http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/sources/ Dec 18 17:56:13 koen: I know, but I also check does stuff has newer version, does it is maintained etc Dec 18 17:56:43 koen: my DL_DIR on some machines is 2-5GB size Dec 18 17:56:44 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rb6e77f19... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): ssmtp: dropped 2.60.9 - it is not fetchable from upstream Dec 18 17:56:50 not counting cvs/sv/git dirs Dec 18 18:01:11 * mrz80 is away: Metaphysically I'm still here; physically, I'm elsewhere Dec 18 18:03:32 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r51a08f42... 10/ (1 packages/linux/mnci-ramses_2.4.21-rmk2-pxa1.bb): mnci-ramses: fixed SRC_URI Dec 18 18:03:36 shit. I am getting "mtn: error: sqlite error: database is locked" on "mtn pull" now. How do I unlock it? Dec 18 18:03:55 other process use it Dec 18 18:03:58 I already wgot the snapshot, but still the same problem. Dec 18 18:05:09 hrw: Indeed. There was still an mtn process lurking around. Thanks. Dec 18 18:05:51 Laibsch: normal thing with sqlite Dec 18 18:06:58 Crofton: any plans on tarball releases of ossie*? Dec 18 18:15:57 no usplash package yet? Man - you guys are slipping Dec 18 18:16:11 CosmicPenguin: psplash is in OE Dec 18 18:16:27 whats the difference? Dec 18 18:16:41 no idea - did not used any Dec 18 18:16:42 and don't say 5 letters... :) Dec 18 18:17:05 CosmicPenguin: upsplash is ehm..... 'challenging' Dec 18 18:17:44 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * re11ab251... 10/ (1 packages/mailx/mailx_8.1.2-0.20031014cvs.bb): mailx: dropped not fetchable 8.1.2-0.20031014cvs version. 8.1.2-0.20020411cvs will follow after Debian 'etch' release Dec 18 18:19:00 http://autoconf-archive.cryp.to/ax_compile_check_sizeof.html - hehe, check out their implementation of that Dec 18 18:19:07 its cute Dec 18 18:19:44 http://autoconf-archive.cryp.to/ac_compile_check_sizeof.html that is Dec 18 18:20:09 err yeah, that :) Dec 18 18:20:48 gah Dec 18 18:21:01 speaking of autotools... Dec 18 18:21:05 * koen gets a handjerchief to wipe the blood from his eyes Dec 18 18:21:23 s/jer/ker/ Dec 18 18:21:25 someone ever planed to send OE patches upstream? Dec 18 18:21:58 I go - cu tomorrow Dec 18 18:21:59 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r3a2b24b5... 10/ (8 files in 5 dirs): matchbox stuff: fixed SRC_URI Dec 18 18:34:38 * mrz80 is back (gone 00:33:28) Dec 18 18:45:43 03xora 07org.oe.oz354x * r34c5ce95... 10/ (8 files in 4 dirs): packages/links/* : clean out old versions to make way for new Dec 18 18:45:50 03xora 07org.oe.oz354x * r38244c29... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): links-x11_2.1pre26.bb, links_2.1pre26.bb : add latest versions of links Dec 18 18:57:02 03xora 07org.oe.dev * rfe7f09c0... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): links-x11_2.1pre26.bb, links_2.1pre26.bb : new versions Dec 18 18:57:28 XorA|gone: pssst: 2.0+2.1pre Dec 18 18:57:33 thought Id better not give oz all the googies Dec 18 18:57:53 koen: I dont think links2 will ever release, its been 3-4 years of preX Dec 18 18:58:14 it's getting pretty chilly in hell Dec 18 18:58:22 mplayer 1.0, qtopia gpl, etc Dec 18 18:59:02 :-D Dec 18 18:59:12 even debian call it 2.1pre26 Dec 18 19:10:06 koen|away: wow, 8-way opteron is such a powerful ARM RISC system... Dec 18 19:18:34 zecke: OMG!!! teh sp33d Dec 18 19:18:45 * mickeyl missing oesf.org Dec 18 19:18:57 it's annoying at times, but I'm really missing the darn forum :D Dec 18 19:19:20 it's cnsf now Dec 18 19:19:32 clueless newby software foundation Dec 18 19:19:36 *cough* Dec 18 19:21:05 in ~2 years I can celebrate 'half my life with *nix' Dec 18 19:21:17 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * re4383a11... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Dec 18 19:21:17 linux-handhelds-2.6: Drop 2.6.19-hh4, add 2.6.19-hh5. Dec 18 19:21:17 * Changes since -hh4 include: Dec 18 19:21:17 1. PXA cpufreq warning fix. Dec 18 19:21:17 2. h4000 Bluettoth support and LCD resume fix, other refactors. Dec 18 19:21:20 3. hx4700 converted to use asic3_keys, other cleanups and refactors. Dec 18 19:21:22 4. w100fb imageblit acceleration (not stable yet, disabled by default). Dec 18 19:21:33 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r7bdbc64d... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-handhelds-2.6_2.6.19-hh6.bb): Dec 18 19:21:33 linux-handhelds-2.6: Add 2.6.19-hh6. Dec 18 19:21:33 * Changes since -hh5 include: Dec 18 19:21:33 1. h3600, h3900, jornada56x revamped for 2.6.19. Dec 18 19:21:34 2. Other changes for 2.6.19. Dec 18 19:21:37 3. hx4700 UDC refactor. Dec 18 19:24:02 mickeyl: has FIC presence at fosdem been confirmed? Dec 18 19:24:34 koen: yes. Sean will be an invited speaker in the embedded room Dec 18 19:24:42 cool Dec 18 19:24:49 with or without a Neo1973 remains to be seen Dec 18 19:24:49 *cough* Dec 18 19:24:50 :D Dec 18 19:25:08 didn't we get an offer for funding to OLS from some party? Dec 18 19:25:09 can't wait to see him again Dec 18 19:25:12 Sean's a cool guy Dec 18 19:25:25 did we? Dec 18 19:25:28 can't remember Dec 18 19:25:56 I need to talk to CELF whether they'd sponsor me the appearance @ ELC2007 if I Dec 18 19:26:01 'd talk there Dec 18 19:26:02 from a party that doesn't appreciated 'open'embedded ;) Dec 18 19:26:59 amazing how fast tim reply to the 'free' catchphrase Dec 18 19:27:00 *sigh* i really need to take 6 months from working to do more for OE PR Dec 18 19:27:09 s/reply/replied/ Dec 18 19:27:12 koen: heh. right, that was fu Dec 18 19:27:13 n Dec 18 19:27:20 oh Dec 18 19:27:21 and Dec 18 19:27:30 mickeyl: bastard! I want to go that San Jose! Dec 18 19:27:32 :P Dec 18 19:27:51 let's toss @ FOSDEM :D Dec 18 19:28:17 Sabine's Aunt lives in California and that'd be an opportunity to visit her Dec 18 19:28:21 I'll just feed you too much leffe and have you sign a contract :) Dec 18 19:28:28 heh Dec 18 19:28:53 to which you respond 'No, I'll feed *you* too much leffe' Dec 18 19:29:06 :D Dec 18 19:29:21 * koen has a beer sponsor for FOSDEM Dec 18 19:29:27 whom? Dec 18 19:29:37 Lennert Buytenhek Dec 18 19:29:47 lucky you Dec 18 19:30:10 sounds like I need to sit @ the Wolfson table that year ;) Dec 18 19:30:15 :D Dec 18 19:30:41 * koen will tempt XorA|gone with black OE shirts Dec 18 19:30:50 black OE shirts?? Dec 18 19:30:50 where Dec 18 19:30:53 i want one Dec 18 19:32:20 we should print them Dec 18 19:32:29 black OE *developer* shirts Dec 18 19:33:05 * mickeyl wonders how the openmoko logo would look on a black tshirt Dec 18 19:33:23 ya Dec 18 19:33:27 better than a TT logo ;) Dec 18 19:33:35 i'd like my name on the back though Dec 18 19:33:39 in white Dec 18 19:33:53 or are you going for the '3rd FOSDEM wearing the same shirt' prize? Dec 18 19:34:06 hehehe Dec 18 19:35:47 i have a new one Dec 18 19:35:48 from DevDays Dec 18 19:35:48 and at least I have an Opie shirt since a couple of weeks now Dec 18 19:35:48 the message is "Mickey will code any GUI as long as you pay him" Dec 18 19:35:48 :D Dec 18 19:35:48 that reminds me adding 'JUCE' to the list of GUIs to learn next year Dec 18 19:36:32 cute logo Dec 18 19:36:51 check their demo Dec 18 19:36:54 it's impressive Dec 18 19:38:06 btw. Dec 18 19:38:32 what would you say if I told you we have to patch Gtk+ for OpenMoko? Dec 18 19:38:40 no API changes though Dec 18 19:38:45 depends on the patch Dec 18 19:40:40 IMO openmoko should run against an unmodified gtk+ Dec 18 19:41:11 it will run, but I don't see a better way to cure some look issues Dec 18 19:41:24 (although in OE we patch the hell out of gtk+) Dec 18 19:42:05 mickeyl: no other ways to cure the issues? Dec 18 19:42:16 no way Dec 18 19:42:18 i.e. have you asked the gtk mailinglist? Dec 18 19:42:30 no, i looked at the source, that was enough Dec 18 19:42:40 i can judge where they have a gtk_paint_foo or not :) Dec 18 19:43:10 a missing gtk_paint_foo even can't be added through an engine Dec 18 19:43:16 because it just wouldn't get called Dec 18 19:43:28 would upstream accept that patch? Dec 18 19:43:32 never Dec 18 19:43:39 does it impact 'general' usage of gtk+? Dec 18 19:43:41 likewise... removing drawing something Dec 18 19:44:15 no impact other than drawing things differently... which could be impact enough :/ Dec 18 19:44:33 can it be #ifdef'ed to read an env var? Dec 18 19:45:12 @ runtime? Dec 18 19:45:16 (thinking about how to integrate it in OE) Dec 18 19:45:46 since openmoko is essentially a DE, not a distro Dec 18 19:46:19 the alternative to patching is adding more widgets Dec 18 19:46:26 which is totally backwards Dec 18 19:46:47 and doesn't help curing the problems with running non-moko gtk+ apps Dec 18 19:46:52 *shrug* Dec 18 19:46:53 we'll see Dec 18 19:50:42 DE? Dec 18 19:50:55 Desktop Environment Dec 18 19:51:02 ah Dec 18 19:51:07 I lack a better description Dec 18 20:15:45 devkitidp-pxa255-kernel - who maintain it? Dec 18 20:15:53 Connecting to ftp.accelent.com|69.218.85.54|:21... failed: Connection timed out. Dec 18 20:16:11 linux-mtx-3 is not fetchable too Dec 18 20:18:24 ~lart pavel machek for suspend in 2.6 kernel Dec 18 20:18:25 * ibot_ chops pavel machek in half with a free Solaris 7 CD for suspend in 2.6 kernel Dec 18 20:18:53 Stopping tasks: ====================================================================================================== stopping tasks timed out after 20 seconds (1 tasks remaining): Dec 18 20:19:21 so suspend ~= suspend (~= is random equal or not) Dec 18 20:28:15 koen, you needed to wear a mike during your talk at FOSDEM last year Dec 18 20:28:46 I suspect michealo needs a better cam ;) Dec 18 20:28:55 :) Dec 18 20:29:11 drink less beer two, the picture is tilted Dec 18 20:29:23 :) Dec 18 20:50:46 do we need rxvt-unicode 5.2? Dec 18 21:03:19 ~lart git fetcher Dec 18 21:03:20 * ibot_ nabs the moon and broadsides git fetcher with the sea of tranquility Dec 18 21:05:55 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rcbd4bc26... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): libmatchbox: fix SRC_URI Dec 18 21:06:19 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r2f2a2ab7... 10/ (9 files in 5 dirs): ncftp: update to 3.2.0 Dec 18 21:08:28 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * raeb7fd0e... 10/ (1 packages/man/man_1.5m2.bb packages/man/man_1.5p.bb): man: fixed SRC_URI Dec 18 21:08:28 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r2c7bdf21... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): interbench, ypbind-mt, ypserv: fixed SRC_URI Dec 18 21:08:43 FSCK. Dec 18 21:08:48 one changeset got extras Dec 18 21:09:00 hrw: I started the devkitidp stuff, but don't have access to HW anymore. I don't think anyone at Bsquare is interested in maintaining it right now either. Dec 18 21:09:25 hrw: I have the patches, so maybe I should just add them to OE instead of relying on the ftp site. Dec 18 21:09:42 cbrake: would be nice Dec 18 21:15:36 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * re51f482d... 10/ (1 site/ix86-common): site/ix86-common: revert wrong changeset Dec 18 21:15:41 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rf62f7934... 10/ (1 packages/apr/apr-util_0.9.12.bb): apr-util: revert wrong changeset Dec 18 21:21:41 cbrake: do you have GPL_ixp400LinuxEthernetDriverPatch-1_5_1.zip somewhere? Dec 18 21:22:04 or someone? Dec 18 21:22:05 hrw: lemme look ... Dec 18 21:22:20 I need md5sum of it Dec 18 21:23:17 hrw: no, all I have is the 1_5 version. Dec 18 21:23:22 ok Dec 18 21:23:36 I fixed SRC_URI of 1.5.1 and wanted to be sure that it is same Dec 18 21:24:36 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rdff335f8... 10/ (1 packages/ixp425-eth/ixp400-eth_1.5.1.bb): ixp425-eth 1.5.1: fix SRC_URI Dec 18 21:24:40 hrw: what are you working on? Dec 18 21:25:06 cbrake: source mirror for celf Dec 18 21:25:21 hrw: very good! Dec 18 21:25:37 currently have 11G fetched Dec 18 21:26:45 cbrake: and during that work I fix SRC_URI of recipes, update to newer, drop older etc Dec 18 21:29:48 any idea on how to get a variable from local.conf as a list ? I am using bb.data.getVar and bb.data.expand to get the string and .join to put it in a list but i am getting instaed of the sting used in the individual characters and not as a string Dec 18 21:30:14 hrw: btw, congratulations on the new job. Will you be contracting through your biz or working full time for someone? Dec 18 21:30:17 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rad9ccc1e... 10/ (1 packages/man/man_1.5m2.bb): man: dropped 1.5m2 as unfetchable Dec 18 21:30:43 cbrake: contracting my biz as full time job for company Dec 18 21:31:47 Ifaistos: split the string? Dec 18 21:31:47 hrw: Excellent. Dec 18 21:32:58 hrw: I really like the flexibility of doing work through my own biz -- lets me pick the things I want to do. Also gives me the flexiblity to work way too much :-\ Dec 18 21:33:30 cbrake: yes - choosing work is good thing. Dec 18 21:33:30 zecke : I am trying to pass the "user blacklist" to icecc. I declare it in local.conf like ICECC_USER_CLASS_BL="native" but instead of getting "native" i get all single characters Dec 18 21:33:53 zecke : in the list. Dec 18 21:34:17 no :) Dec 18 21:34:28 you interpret the string as list Dec 18 21:35:29 zecke : This is what i do -> "system_class_blacklist".join(map(str, bb.data.expand('${ICECC_USER_CLASS_BL}', d, 1) )) Dec 18 21:36:01 doesn't make much sense to me :) Dec 18 21:36:12 what do you want to do? Dec 18 21:37:13 fsck.. I cleaned dl_dir at home Dec 18 21:37:30 zecke : wait i'll copy the code snip in pastebin Dec 18 21:39:02 zecke : http://pastebin.ca/284149 Dec 18 21:39:26 Filesystem "sda6": Access to block zero in inode 134836070 start_block: 0 start_off: 0 blkcnt: 1d400 extent-state: 0 lastx: 0 Dec 18 21:39:29 Filesystem "sda6": Access to block zero in inode 134836070 start_block: 0 start_off: 0 blkcnt: 1d400 extent-state: 0 lastx: 0 Dec 18 21:39:32 fsck. Dec 18 21:39:46 xfs strikes back? Dec 18 21:40:14 brb - init 1 calls.. Dec 18 21:41:04 zecke : my problem is the that user supplied packages evaluate as characters and not as strings and as a result simply get ignored Dec 18 21:41:40 Ifaistos: "system_class_blacklist"? Dec 18 21:41:51 Ifaistos: sure you want to quote that? Dec 18 21:42:15 zecke : i am not sure about anything anymore :) Dec 18 21:42:26 ["cross"] + bb.data.getVar('FOO').split()? Dec 18 21:43:16 zecke : wait i'll try it Dec 18 21:44:46 zecke : yep. that was it :) Dec 18 21:45:07 ~hail zecke Dec 18 21:45:09 * ibot_ bows down to zecke and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Dec 18 21:52:14 hehe Dec 18 21:52:17 n8 Dec 18 21:55:55 night Dec 18 21:56:06 n8 zecke Dec 18 21:57:25 mickey|tv: most of my questions were answered on #qtopia. tnx Dec 18 21:57:57 ~curse koen Dec 18 21:57:59 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, koen ! Dec 18 21:58:35 * koen wonders what he did now Dec 18 21:58:54 added binutils 2.17.50.0.5 without USING binutils.inc Dec 18 21:59:44 boo for metadata duplication Dec 18 21:59:46 hrw: I didn't understand the differences between the .inc and the .bb, so I left it at that Dec 18 22:00:06 koen: and angstrom ship broken binutils-symlinks Dec 18 22:00:21 if you say so Dec 18 22:03:18 Package binutils-symlinks wants to install file /usr/bin/strings But that file is already provided by package busybox Dec 18 22:03:23 Package binutils-symlinks wants to install file /usr/bin/ar But that file is already provided by package busybox Dec 18 22:04:21 zecke : finished icecc.bbclass with all the stuff we have been discussing -> http://pastebin.ca/284175 Dec 18 22:04:46 koen: that bug does not occur in 2.16 Dec 18 22:04:56 or other which use binutils.inc Dec 18 22:05:33 zecke : also created a icecc-create-env.bb that fetches the script from our site and installs it in staging, so it will be transparent to users Dec 18 22:06:04 zecke : if ICECC_PATH is not defined tries to find it using 'which' Dec 18 22:06:05 Ifaistos: big script? maybe include it in OE? Dec 18 22:07:07 zecke : and user can exclude a packages using a specific class or specific packages from been proccesed with icecc Dec 18 22:07:11 !oebug 1465 Dec 18 22:07:40 * * Bug 1465, Status: NEW, Created: 2006-10-11 08:30 Dec 18 22:07:40 * * koen(AT)dominion.kabel.utwente.nl: binutils(-symlinks) conflicts with other packages Dec 18 22:07:40 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1465 Dec 18 22:08:31 hrw : well its actually a modified script from icecc to work with OE Dec 18 22:10:00 hrw : i think there will be like a gazilion bugs... :) but its a start :) Dec 18 22:10:13 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rf499733e... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): binutils: started unifing recipes to be able to fix #1465 Dec 18 22:11:17 Installing binutils-symlinks (2.17.50.0.5-r1) to root... Dec 18 22:11:17 Configuring binutils-symlinks Dec 18 22:11:17 update-alternatives: Linking //usr/bin/ar to i686-angstrom-linux-ar Dec 18 22:11:17 update-alternatives: Linking //usr/bin/strings to i686-angstrom-linux-strings Dec 18 22:11:28 now better Dec 18 22:11:49 and cu **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 19 03:00:00 2006