**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 19 03:00:01 2006 Dec 19 06:51:17 morning all Dec 19 06:52:39 hello\ Dec 19 06:52:46 how can I dissable the screen rotaion on my 3200 running 3.5.4.1 when in "pda mode? Dec 19 06:53:56 arm-bar: OPIE? Dec 19 06:55:08 no; gpe on e17 Dec 19 06:55:14 No idea. Dec 19 06:55:15 or e17 on gpe Dec 19 06:55:24 Use the xrandr tools? Dec 19 06:56:23 thanks Dec 19 06:57:57 that will do but is there a way to turn off the rotation? Dec 19 07:00:55 arm-bar: No idea, don't use e17 here Dec 19 07:01:07 arm-bar: A hack would be to remove the xrandr extension from the x11 conf Dec 19 07:18:27 Thanks NAbyss Dec 19 07:18:36 Did it work? Dec 19 07:20:23 naw. I am chicken when it comes to messing with things like X. Dec 19 07:21:36 I will just call xrandr tools before I play my avi untill OI can get back into the forums to search for a more permanate solution. Dec 19 07:45:29 good morning all Dec 19 07:49:29 vlo : hi Dec 19 08:08:58 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r6d4012f0... 10/ (1 classes/icecc.bbclass): Dec 19 08:08:58 Updated icecc.bbclass Dec 19 08:08:58 Handles native/cross cross-kernel and target compile jobs Dec 19 08:08:58 Accepts user supplied package and class exclusion lists Dec 19 08:09:16 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r6e6bbf55... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): icecc-create-env.bb to fetch script required by icecc.bbclass Dec 19 08:15:49 hum ... I have glibc problems again Dec 19 08:17:51 http://pastebin.ca/284787 I had the same problem last week, one update got me out of it. I made a new update yesterday and now the glibc problem is here again ... Dec 19 08:20:08 morning Dec 19 08:23:30 XorA : hi ! Dec 19 08:25:34 hum, I sometimes have a message which looks like NOTE: preferred version 2.5 of glibc not available ... could this be related to my problem ? Dec 19 08:25:44 vlo: that is normal Dec 19 08:25:45 hey XorA Dec 19 08:27:35 hey XorA Dec 19 08:27:47 hey koen Dec 19 08:28:22 vlo: maybe you should nick a Angstrom tarball and try and run that on your system Dec 19 08:28:30 vlo: that will rule out kernel fault Dec 19 08:28:35 koen : morning Dec 19 08:28:44 hey Ifaistos Dec 19 08:30:06 XorA: yes that's a good idea, I will try this Dec 19 08:30:15 morning koen Dec 19 08:30:24 hey vlo Dec 19 08:31:41 hrw|gone: updated binutils is in the feeds now Dec 19 08:32:21 hi Dec 19 08:32:30 guten Morgen herr Freyther Dec 19 08:33:16 guten tag sehr geehrter kollege Dec 19 08:34:47 I am having trouble when i try to specify a DEPENDS=icecc-create-env in icecc.bbclass Dec 19 08:35:19 this package should just download and unpack/install a script in staging/ice/ Dec 19 08:35:36 i am getting the following error Dec 19 08:35:46 http://pastebin.ca/284793 Dec 19 08:36:19 it seems like a circular dependancy of some short Dec 19 08:36:26 looks like it Dec 19 08:36:48 zecke : hi Dec 19 08:38:28 any idea how to solve this ? Dec 19 08:39:55 Ifaistos: dont do the DEPENDS+= when building icecc-create-env Dec 19 08:40:18 Ifaistos: did icce-create-env do 'inherit native'? Dec 19 08:40:28 koen : yes Dec 19 08:40:28 and INHIBIT_DEFAULT_DEPS? Dec 19 08:40:32 koen : yes Dec 19 08:40:34 Ifaistos: do you add icecc to DEPENDS from your icecc.bbclass? Dec 19 08:40:52 Ifaistos: and you inherit autotools? Dec 19 08:41:13 morgen Dec 19 08:41:39 i have pushed both the new icecc.bbclass and icecc-create.env.bb to the rep minutes ago Dec 19 08:42:03 zecke : no just icecc-create-env Dec 19 08:42:03 Ifaistos: need to hack on minix atm, but don't create circular deps :) Dec 19 08:42:10 hrw|work: DzieÅ„ dobry Dec 19 08:42:22 hrw|work : morning Dec 19 08:42:23 yo hrw|work Dec 19 08:42:46 koen: looks like I will drop that arpwatch Dec 19 08:44:34 this is what the icecc-create-env looks like -> http://pastebin.ca/284804 Dec 19 08:54:09 zecke : I have removed the dependancy so that icecc.bbclass can work. Let me know if you find sometime to look at solving this Dec 19 08:54:23 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * rc491123f... 10/ (1 classes/icecc.bbclass): Remove depedancy on icecc-create-env to temporeraly solve circullar dependancy problem Dec 19 08:54:53 will hack on minix until 13h Dec 19 08:59:59 zecke: minix support for OE? Dec 19 09:08:48 no Dec 19 09:22:18 koen : Just noticed that the last commit message i have is on the 15th. Do you still get errors when try to send emails ? Dec 19 09:33:21 morning all Dec 19 09:46:21 ade|desk : Hi Dec 19 09:46:33 Has anyone used that ? -> http://www.darcs.net/DarcsWiki/Tailor#fndef-6a3210770b09ff246285f014f87ca00d722d422d-2 Dec 19 09:47:05 i am looking for a way to sync our subversion rep with OE Dec 19 09:47:26 we have used tailor for our 'battle of the scm's Dec 19 09:47:47 besides some weird commit message mtn -> subversion works okay Dec 19 09:48:12 XorA: I have tested with the angstrom mx31ads images I've found here, it doesn't work either ! Dec 19 09:48:26 here is where I found them: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/20061214/mx31ads/ Dec 19 09:49:26 zecke : Do you have any config files for that ? Dec 19 09:49:47 hmm, I fear I asked koen to rm -rf my homedir on ewi :} Dec 19 09:51:53 Ifaistos: the config is quite easy, the mtn reader needed some hacks Dec 19 09:52:14 these crazy germans use 'ö', 'ä', 'ß' in commit message which python chokes on coverting Dec 19 09:52:38 :) Dec 19 09:53:01 * Ifaistos thinks of start using Greek for commit messages Dec 19 10:00:04 http://www.openembedded.org/~hrw/screenlog.txt - new list of failues Dec 19 10:02:22 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rb313b9cf... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): arpwatch: dropped 2.1a13 Dec 19 10:02:41 hrw|work: gbluezconf can be dropped, as well as older libxml recipes Dec 19 10:03:14 koen: feel free to do it - you have r/w Dec 19 10:03:27 hrw|work: you're the one having the error Dec 19 10:03:33 ;) Dec 19 10:12:15 XorA: :D Dec 19 10:12:40 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r7077b8b2... 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Dec 19 10:12:40 links_2.0+2.1pre26.bb, links-x11_2.0+2.1pre26.bb : new kOEn compliant Dec 19 10:12:40 naming scheme. Also broke common stuff into links.inc and added some Dec 19 10:12:40 python to version doesnt need to be hardcoded into .bb Dec 19 10:15:20 hrw|work: anything you really want to see in the next OZ release? Dec 19 10:15:52 XorA: any ideas what to add? Dec 19 10:16:17 hrw|work: well ive done dillo, links, mplayer am looking at epdfview Dec 19 10:16:39 hrw|work: claws-mail needs new libetpan, which I dont know if it break opie-mail Dec 19 10:16:48 XorA: doesn't the latest epdfview require and updated glib? Dec 19 10:17:00 koen: hence why I am looking Dec 19 10:17:22 XorA: I do not know should I stay with gtk 2.6.10 or update to 2.10.6/xft/cairo/angstrom one Dec 19 10:17:24 koen: it needs new poppler Dec 19 10:17:46 hrw|work: stay where you are, OZ is an incremental, when you start OZ 3.6.X then switch Dec 19 10:18:32 mixing gslice and non-gslice needs strange env vars Dec 19 10:19:55 hrw|work: also you cannot ipkg update between gtk+ versions Dec 19 10:20:16 ok Dec 19 10:20:18 unless you recompile and bump PR on lots of stuff Dec 19 10:20:33 *lots* Dec 19 10:20:48 koen: lots like 'whole feed'? Dec 19 10:20:53 nah Dec 19 10:21:01 90% of gtk apps Dec 19 10:21:06 XorA: I do not want 3.6.x Dec 19 10:21:56 I want angstrom 2007.something Dec 19 10:22:22 where 'something' is probably >=3 Dec 19 10:22:37 hrw|work: then we are best making next OZ tide over to 2007.1 as that is looking quite stable apart from the zlib heisenbug Dec 19 10:23:28 XorA: angstrom does not support opie. I want to add opie 1.2.2 to oz 3.5.5 Dec 19 10:26:29 hrw|work: wait for OpieII? Dec 19 10:27:19 zecke: 3.5.5 will clear some OZ problems Dec 19 10:27:26 zecke: will hell not be frozen before that release Dec 19 10:29:17 zecke: do you have any plans about bittest^Wbitbake-qa? Dec 19 10:29:28 XorA: maybe hell will freeze soon Dec 19 10:29:44 hrw|work: should I have any plans? one plan was to incrementally write the report... Dec 19 10:29:53 zecke: you realise we will be flooded with releases the day hell freezes Dec 19 10:30:15 XorA: yes from MS DOS1.0 up to 6.22 full sourcecode Dec 19 10:30:37 zecke: I have updated bittest to work with trunk of bitbake (but without threading) Dec 19 10:30:39 XorA: printers and fax machines will print Windows source and other proprietary junk... Dec 19 10:31:58 hum ... this looks very weird, my rootfs is fine when I use it through NFS, but not with jffs2 (with different kernels and with angstrom repository image and self-built image) Dec 19 10:32:22 another victim of the zlib heisenbug Dec 19 10:32:53 !oebug #1684 Dec 19 10:32:55 * * Bug 1684, Status: NEW, Created: 2006-12-14 07:27 Dec 19 10:32:56 * * dp(AT)xora.org.uk: Angstrom segfault problems when booting from flash Dec 19 10:32:57 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1684 Dec 19 10:33:07 vlo: add your notes to that bug Dec 19 10:33:19 * zecke waits for woglinde to show up Dec 19 10:33:24 *need for food* Dec 19 10:33:32 thai food? Dec 19 10:34:17 no no, maybe vietnamese food today Dec 19 10:34:21 certainly no thai today Dec 19 10:34:38 I liked the vietnamese food in berlin Dec 19 10:34:45 and the thai food as well Dec 19 10:35:04 * koen ponders about going too 23c3 the 29th Dec 19 10:35:09 vlo: also note lrg said, he never tested the drivers when he forward ported them Dec 19 10:35:21 koen: feel free to crash at my place Dec 19 10:37:02 XorA: yep, I know, that's why I'm still using Freescale 2.6.16.19 kernel (I have adapted lrg recipe so that it builds this kernel), I think the 2.6.19 still needs some work (now that I have a "working system", I could do this) Dec 19 10:38:08 vlo: oh, heisenbug doesnt affect earlier than 2.6.18 Dec 19 10:38:17 vlo: your flash drivers must just be buggered Dec 19 10:38:24 too bad I didn't try NFS filesystem earlier Dec 19 10:39:16 XorA: ok, so I think my issue is not the same: maybe some hardware or Freescale driver issue Dec 19 10:40:43 vlo: sounds like it Dec 19 10:41:56 hmm later Dec 19 10:42:41 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r70769bde... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): stunnel: dropped 4.05 obsoleted by upstream Dec 19 10:46:26 03xora 07org.oe.oz354x * r33a62c47... 10/ (1 packages/cups/cups_1.1.23.bb): cups_1.1.23.bb : cups needs fakeroot during install Dec 19 10:50:30 XorA: I wonder how we can educate users that you don't need 'releases' to get bugfixes out Dec 19 10:54:23 koen: just by making good quality package feeds Dec 19 10:54:44 XorA: the problem is with the Z users Dec 19 10:54:56 'if it has a problem, reflash to something else' Dec 19 10:55:47 koen: pdaXrom, shaprom, cacko rom, none of which have working ipkg, hence when you stuff, reflash is only option Dec 19 10:56:03 oz sucks beacuse opie sucks because it can't run opera Dec 19 10:56:03 right Dec 19 10:56:24 ipkg sucks Dec 19 10:56:34 someone take a couple of hours, write a qt output driver for links, suddenly opera looks old skewl Dec 19 10:57:01 that someone should get opie/x11 working Dec 19 11:00:18 hrw|work: btw, opera doesn't respond to inquiries about getting version out for OE based distros Dec 19 11:03:06 koen: I know Dec 19 11:03:20 koen: and I know that they will not release it for such distros Dec 19 11:09:12 J2ME and we can run opera :-) Dec 19 11:09:16 03xora 07org.oe.oz354x * r33a62c47... 10/ (1 packages/cups/cups_1.1.23.bb): cups_1.1.23.bb : cups needs fakeroot during install Dec 19 11:14:53 morning folks Dec 19 11:14:58 XorA: is links/x11 good? Dec 19 11:15:02 hey mickeyl Dec 19 11:15:18 mickeyl: it the browser I always use on my terrier/c7x0 Dec 19 11:15:32 XorA: have a screenshot handy? Dec 19 11:15:32 mickeyl: remember the talk we had about reflash-kiddies 2 years ago? Dec 19 11:15:35 mickeyl: its fast, neat, and works with quite a lot of pages Dec 19 11:15:42 koen: yeah Dec 19 11:15:42 mickeyl: I suspect the situation hasn't changed Dec 19 11:15:47 heh Dec 19 11:16:04 mickeyl: I did upload some to scap, but I guess they gone these days Dec 19 11:18:45 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r70769bde... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): stunnel: dropped 4.05 obsoleted by upstream Dec 19 11:19:06 mickeyl: trying to make some for you Dec 19 11:19:16 thanks Dec 19 11:20:50 linux-2.6.5-gnalm1-gum0.patch - someone has it? Dec 19 11:21:08 gumstix? Dec 19 11:21:12 yep Dec 19 11:21:36 2.6.5 so old and can be probably dropped but we lack gumstix people iirc Dec 19 11:22:38 wrt54 support is something which can be dropped too Dec 19 11:22:50 i still hope that someone picks it up Dec 19 11:22:54 (wrt, that is) Dec 19 11:23:03 you don't think it'll happen? Dec 19 11:23:46 i am working on wrt, but nothing to release yet Dec 19 11:23:59 cool. still having a wrt54gs sitting here unused Dec 19 11:24:33 mickeyl: check scap Dec 19 11:24:48 hh.org or ltg? Dec 19 11:25:13 mickeyl: I guess hh.org as gpe-scap seems to still send there Dec 19 11:25:20 *nod* Dec 19 11:25:23 hmm cool Dec 19 11:26:03 how does it render on portrait displays? Dec 19 11:26:12 * XorA rotates Dec 19 11:26:54 http://handhelds.org/scap/port.17592.png Dec 19 11:26:59 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rd4e12ca2... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): gbluezconf: dropped (19 11:30 < koen> hrw|work: gbluezconf can be dropped) Dec 19 11:27:40 XorA: thanks. looks like it needs a 'never-show-horz-scrollbar' mode Dec 19 11:27:48 (thinking about the Neo) Dec 19 11:27:59 mickeyl: I guessed Dec 19 11:28:42 mickeyl: I guess you could proxy it through a html simplification service Dec 19 11:29:29 mickeyl: BTW middle mouse is drag on links, so if you could make some interface coolness so clocking and dragging worked :-) Dec 19 11:29:39 clicking Dec 19 11:30:43 ya, since we don't have a scroll wheel or something we need to drag by clicking on free spaces Dec 19 11:31:42 Ifaistos: wrt-utils wrt-imagetools-native linux-wrt are good candidates to being dropped Dec 19 11:32:24 damn meeting time Dec 19 11:32:45 hrw|work : I have started working on wrt but stopped to get icecc working Dec 19 11:32:48 ok Dec 19 11:33:06 Ifaistos: those recipes fetch from cvs which does not exist Dec 19 11:33:35 hrw|work : yes and there are a few more things that need clearing up Dec 19 11:35:22 hrw|work : my task list at the moment is get icecc working (almost there) , port owmnr to task-base, find a way to sync our rep with OE, get our oplinux distro to task-base, work with wrt :) Dec 19 11:36:56 Ifaistos: need help? Dec 19 11:37:53 hrw|work : lots of it :) in fact i am thinking of hiring some OE people if a couple of projects we discuss get through Dec 19 11:40:15 * mickeyl brews coffee Dec 19 11:40:53 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r5a54ff95... 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Dec 19 11:40:53 portmap: unified, added 5-24, dropped 5-7 Dec 19 11:40:53 - portmap 5-7 was used before Debian 'sarge' - not fetchable Dec 19 11:40:53 - portmap 5-24 will be in Debian 'etch' so will be fetchable for next 1-2 years Dec 19 11:40:53 - portmap-unslung not updated - it has other packaging Dec 19 11:42:18 OT: upstart (new ubunut init) looks promising for embedded systems Dec 19 11:43:09 mickeyl: it works quite good on my desktop Dec 19 11:44:51 any idea why my recent commit does not show up with CIA ? Dec 19 11:46:25 mickeyl: how much trouble will it be to convert all our initscripts to upstart? Dec 19 11:47:11 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rb1b91c6f... 10/ (1 packages/intercom/intercom_0.15.bb): intercom: fix SRC_URI Dec 19 11:47:16 not much if I understood correctly Dec 19 11:47:25 one of the targets is compatibility Dec 19 11:47:30 s/targets/goals/ Dec 19 11:47:46 besides, we probably have to support more than just one init system in the future Dec 19 11:47:53 so we need to come up with an abstraction anyway Dec 19 11:48:14 * koen hears mickeyl volunteering Dec 19 11:48:21 koen: ipkg install upstart-sysv-compat? Dec 19 11:48:29 Ifaistos: cia is lagged Dec 19 11:49:50 Ifaistos: check the commit mails Dec 19 11:51:27 koen : last commit message i got was on the 15th. probably it has to do with the error you told me yesterday with the mail server Dec 19 11:51:49 ah, right Dec 19 11:51:57 koen : do you still see it ? Dec 19 11:52:24 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r9bbebb75... 10/ (1 classes/icecc.bbclass): Dec 19 11:52:24 Fixed error in the way the user specified exclusion lists were handled Dec 19 11:52:24 Remove debug messages Dec 19 11:57:33 Any objections to committing http://oz.leggewie.org/atk.unify.patch, http://oz.leggewie.org/btsco.unify.patch and http://oz.leggewie.org/busybox.unify.patch Dec 19 12:09:20 :) Dec 19 12:10:09 Dec 19 12:10:20 http://www.amd.com/files/connectivitysolutions/geode/geode_lx/Graphics_Video4Linux2_LX_03.02.0100.tar.gz - some one have it? Dec 19 12:10:42 I want to check does http://www.amd.com/files/connectivitysolutions/geode/geode_lx/Graphics_Video4Linux2_03.02.0100.tar.gz is same Dec 19 12:17:32 hi all Dec 19 12:17:35 hi florian Dec 19 12:25:49 koen : building angstrom for efika fails at glibc -> powerpc-angstrom-linux/csu/crti.S:(.init+0x20): undefined reference to `i_am_not_a_leaf' Dec 19 12:27:19 koen : i think i had the same on the dht and applied a patch of some sort Dec 19 12:31:19 koen : found it. CFLAGS_dht-walnut += " -O1 -g0 -fPIC -fno-inline-functions -fno-unit-at-a-time " Dec 19 12:38:20 Ifaistos: it builds fine over here Dec 19 12:41:03 koen : -> http://pastebin.ca/284917 Dec 19 12:52:27 XorA|meeting: you used kismet iirc - 2004-*, 2005-01* are not available upstream - I want to drop them. Dec 19 13:04:51 http://www.garmin.com/careers/jobs Dec 19 13:05:00 ! Dec 19 13:05:01 :D Dec 19 13:06:04 https://my.garmin.com/iRecruitment/jobdetails.htm?vacancyId=265 ? Dec 19 13:06:12 yep Dec 19 13:06:14 265 is it Dec 19 13:06:19 sounds like a great opportunity Dec 19 13:06:23 not for me though Dec 19 13:06:34 * mickeyl sticking to being contractor for at least 5 years Dec 19 13:08:23 ug Kansas Dec 19 13:09:05 mickeyl: forward to oe ml :D Dec 19 13:10:06 done Dec 19 13:11:33 Any developments on sound on the c7x0 recently? Last tme i tried the new alsa support (back in august) the sound , tho it worked, was of terrible quality. There was lots of electrical noise present. Dec 19 13:13:06 dan2003: that should be fixed now Dec 19 13:13:21 hrw|work: drop all the old ones Dec 19 13:13:25 ok Dec 19 13:13:29 food Dec 19 13:13:59 mickeyl: bribe the garmin dude next fosdem :) Dec 19 13:14:38 yea Dec 19 13:14:51 i wonder if they would consider hiring contractors :D Dec 19 13:16:35 * koen should get around to getting his BSc Dec 19 13:17:15 mickeyl: yeah, I was looking at the syslog-ng stuff and then saw upstart which looks even more supported. Dec 19 13:17:46 * koen hears another volunteer Dec 19 13:17:56 ooops. I was looking at my logs so my reply is probably like 24 hours late :) Dec 19 13:17:59 hehehe Dec 19 13:18:27 I just want my darn boot to be shorter as it looks kind of bad for a robot to boot for 60secs! Dec 19 13:18:57 VoodooZ: thats quicker than a female human :-) Dec 19 13:19:03 hahaha Dec 19 13:19:24 * koen suffered from increased boottime today Dec 19 13:19:30 me too. Dec 19 13:19:50 It's going to be a bad day as I got a speeding ticket on my way to work! My first one ever! Dec 19 13:19:58 VoodooZ: sucks Dec 19 13:20:02 and then I spilled my water bottle everywhere. Dec 19 13:20:05 What's next? Dec 19 13:20:12 rm -rf /? Dec 19 13:20:24 someone boot VoodooZ off the channel before his karma spreads Dec 19 13:20:31 But I'll try to stay positive. Dec 19 13:20:33 :) Dec 19 13:21:06 anyone heard of someone getting opencv to compile under OE? Dec 19 13:21:25 I can barely get a simple package to run so I'm afraid to try that beast Dec 19 13:21:54 upstart is even more scary. Dec 19 13:22:43 "The library is compatible with IPL and utilizes Intel Integrated Performance Primitives for better performance." Dec 19 13:22:44 ugh Dec 19 13:23:09 "Programming Language : C++, Python, Visual Basic" Dec 19 13:23:10 more ugh Dec 19 13:23:12 yeah, that's another thing that would be nice to speedup my poor slug Dec 19 13:23:25 huhu Dec 19 13:23:30 visual basic? Not for the linux version right? Dec 19 13:23:40 VoodooZ: ever though about using a blackfin for you robot? Dec 19 13:23:53 there's so much choice Dec 19 13:23:56 you can get those with a 750MHz dsp attached Dec 19 13:24:11 I'd have to teach myself DSPs though. Dec 19 13:24:25 mickeyl: can we have a blackfin cpu next to the ARM in neo v2? Dec 19 13:24:47 That's the problem with fancy cutting edge hardware. by the time the software infrastructure supports it it's obsolete. Dec 19 13:25:24 My first criteria is availability and price. that's why I'm still using a slug. cheap and easy Dec 19 13:25:32 koen: give poor mickeyl time to finish the nea1 :-) Dec 19 13:25:43 My next project will use a portable as it's so much easier to get/setup. Dec 19 13:26:14 koen: I thought the blackfin was rather slow though? Dec 19 13:26:45 VoodooZ: it is a limited arch, but anything is fast given enough mhz Dec 19 13:26:50 XorA *nod* Dec 19 13:27:19 koen: psst.... Sean told me he has some exciting news for v2, but he won't tell us until v1 ships :/ Dec 19 13:27:58 mickeyl: v2 has 6 spartan3 fpgas Dec 19 13:27:59 * XorA imagines mickeyl with liquid cooling of his brain these days Dec 19 13:28:11 hehe Dec 19 13:28:34 the vision stuff kind of limits me to X86 processors though. Dec 19 13:28:50 v2 of what? Dec 19 13:29:00 * Crofton needs to learn to deal with fpga's Dec 19 13:29:01 Crofton: the FIC Linux SmartPhone Dec 19 13:29:07 * VoodooZ too Dec 19 13:29:28 will you need a generator for it? Dec 19 13:30:07 yes. like the older mobile phones where you had to carry a battery-bag with you Dec 19 13:30:19 :) Dec 19 13:34:32 yo drw Dec 19 13:34:37 how's life? Dec 19 13:35:11 pretty good, busy with work/holidays/etc. Dec 19 13:35:24 how are you doing? Dec 19 13:35:51 pretty well, thanks. busy as well, but that seems to be normal these days ;) Dec 19 13:36:42 yep, same here Dec 19 13:40:18 mickeyl: it will get 3rd button? :D Dec 19 13:40:40 if you promise to be a good guy next year, we'll consider this Dec 19 13:40:48 i'll ask Santa Claus Dec 19 13:45:02 ;D Dec 19 13:48:43 * mickeyl waits for unrar unpacking a 45MB archive.... gawd is that sloooow Dec 19 13:49:20 rar? Dec 19 13:49:32 yeah, watch the next commits Dec 19 13:49:34 Mickely , :) time to take make a coffee than Dec 19 13:49:34 what kind of hippy warez stuff did you download? Dec 19 13:49:45 heh Dec 19 13:49:49 nothing at all Dec 19 13:49:57 koen: linux-2.8.12.rar Dec 19 13:50:52 hrw|work, oh looks like with this goodie you can predict the future :) Dec 19 13:51:07 mickeyl: I fixed a780.conf, at the cost of building ezx-kernels Dec 19 13:51:52 at the costß Dec 19 13:51:53 ? Dec 19 13:53:04 PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel = "ezx-kernels" made it build all the kernels without a COMPATIBLE_MACHINE set Dec 19 13:53:47 mickeyl: give sign when to pull Dec 19 13:53:50 now MACHINE=a780 only build linux-ezx for a780 Dec 19 13:54:20 k Dec 19 13:56:06 Koen: I have put some images for x86 on my website Dec 19 13:56:20 Koen: I noticed that loading from dom goes much better than from cf Dec 19 13:57:36 * gerwinin is thinking of adding zigbee support to oe Dec 19 13:57:45 zigbee? Dec 19 13:57:53 802.15n iirc Dec 19 13:58:42 14 December, 2006 -- BusyBox 1.3.0 (stable) Dec 19 13:59:07 hrw: got some zigbee stuff laying arround here and I am making some stuff with it Dec 19 13:59:20 "This release has CONFIG_DESKTOP option which enables features needed for busybox usage on desktop machine. For example, find, chmod and chown get several less frequently used options, od is significantly bigger but matches GNU coreutils, etc. Intended to eventually make busybox a viable alternative for "standard" utilities for slightly adventurous desktop users." Dec 19 14:01:26 Koen: a lot of stuff in busybox segfaults with me Dec 19 14:03:58 gerwinin: likewise pointed use to a gcc patch to fix things like that on x86 Dec 19 14:05:13 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * ra0a2b808... 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): atk: unify Dec 19 14:09:11 ~lart pinkness and its mystical return Dec 19 14:09:11 * ibot_ takes pinkness and its mystical return to the vet for a "special" visit Dec 19 14:09:49 XorA: the /etc/X11/Xdefault isn't working? Dec 19 14:10:39 koen: scrollbar has mysteriously turned pink, it wasnt pink a couple of days ago Dec 19 14:12:48 ah, right Dec 19 14:13:04 XorA: someone hinted RGB(A) colour allocation is weird in diet-x11 Dec 19 14:13:32 koen: libx11-6 - X11R7.1-1.0.1-r2 Dec 19 14:13:37 no diet Dec 19 14:14:05 are you sure? Dec 19 14:14:19 diet-x11 disguised itself as the same ipkg as full x11 Dec 19 14:14:51 Q Dec 19 14:14:55 ops Dec 19 14:15:04 Koen: cool Dec 19 14:16:08 koen: erk, thats bad, how do you install full libx11 if diet is the same name Dec 19 14:16:38 mtn: renaming packages/hvsc/hvsc_5.8.bb to packages/hvsc/hvsc_45.bb Dec 19 14:16:43 mickeyl: that? Dec 19 14:16:49 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * ra0a2b808... 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): atk: unify Dec 19 14:16:51 ya Dec 19 14:17:08 time to mirror then Dec 19 14:17:34 I need to check what was fetched.. 12G of stuff.. Dec 19 14:18:20 12,155,729K bytes in 13842 files Dec 19 14:18:27 XorA: now you see why I removed libx11 from my OE repo Dec 19 14:18:41 XorA: to avoid accidentilly putting it in the feeds Dec 19 14:25:06 Length: 45,796,026 (44M) [text/plain] Dec 19 14:26:59 06:51:34 (299.42 KB/s) - `/a/home/hrw/devel/build/celinux-test/tmp_sources/HVSC_45-all-of-them.rar' saved [45796026/45796026] Dec 19 14:28:33 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * ra0a2b808... 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): atk: unify Dec 19 14:29:10 mickeyl: can you fix recipes which fetch from vanille.de? Dec 19 14:30:44 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * ra0a2b808... 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): atk: unify Dec 19 14:31:00 CIA-4 seems to be in a repeat loop Dec 19 14:31:03 * koen kicks CIA-4 Dec 19 14:31:04 ow Dec 19 14:33:05 are there many? Dec 19 14:33:41 ? Dec 19 14:33:52 recipes which fetch from vanille.de Dec 19 14:34:16 hmm too many Dec 19 14:34:31 they should still work Dec 19 14:34:41 i have added a redirector to http://linuxtogo.org/~mickeyl/mirror/ Dec 19 14:36:43 and they follow Dec 19 14:36:49 and they got 404 Dec 19 14:37:06 http://www.openembedded.org/~hrw/screenlog.txt - check here Dec 19 14:37:18 NOTE: fetch http://www.vanille.de/mirror/sip-4.4.5.tar.gz Dec 19 14:37:23 NOTE: fetch http://www.Vanille.de/download/efl/efl++_0.1.0.tar.bz2 Dec 19 14:37:35 those two for now Dec 19 14:44:35 morning Dec 19 14:49:13 koen: gpe-scap 1.1 is released. it needs libsoup now... but netcat isn't necessary anymore Dec 19 14:49:22 hi chouimat Dec 19 14:49:38 florian_kc: we had netcat as part of busybox anyway Dec 19 14:49:54 does someone built busybox with shared library? Dec 19 14:50:18 hrw|work: right... but if nothing else needs it we could just get rid of it. Dec 19 14:51:06 ok, i'll keep that in mind Dec 19 14:51:11 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * ra0a2b808... 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): atk: unify Dec 19 14:52:16 * chouimat starts the download of qtopia-opensource-src-4.2.0.tar.gz Dec 19 14:53:19 chouimat: qtopia-core? Dec 19 14:53:29 no Dec 19 14:53:38 and it's 87MB Dec 19 14:53:39 url? Dec 19 14:53:52 ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/source Dec 19 14:54:11 http://www.trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2006-12-19.3282791093 Dec 19 14:55:23 ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/source/qtopia-opensource-src-4.2.0.tar.gz Dec 19 14:55:37 time to fetch before tt will decide to not gpl it Dec 19 14:55:52 ;d Dec 19 14:56:05 homme de peu de foi Dec 19 14:56:42 chouimat: skoro tak mówisz Dec 19 14:57:13 does the 2.6 kernel on spitz support like ext3 n stuff Dec 19 14:57:19 i want to format my sd card Dec 19 14:57:35 Mavez-San: rootfs on spitz is ext3 Dec 19 14:57:40 with ahh ok Dec 19 14:57:45 cool Dec 19 14:59:20 hrw|work: will you add qtopia ? Dec 19 14:59:54 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * ra0a2b808... 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): atk: unify Dec 19 15:01:44 Mavez-San: Are you interested in Japanese by chance? Dec 19 15:01:56 mickeyl: first have to fetch, compile and look Dec 19 15:02:02 Laibsch i watch alot of anime Dec 19 15:02:03 ;) Dec 19 15:02:05 heh Dec 19 15:02:11 need to start mirroring the tarball :) Dec 19 15:02:32 Crofton: torrenting Dec 19 15:02:36 ah, manga-zoku. Dec 19 15:02:54 ^_^ Dec 19 15:03:20 Mavez-San: I try to strengthen the Japanese side of things in OE. Help is always welcome as is general discussion. Dec 19 15:03:31 cool Dec 19 15:03:36 mickeyl: 87MB for qtopia + 56.38MB for qtopia-core ... will be fun on a dialup :) Dec 19 15:03:58 Mavez-San: Maybe http://gakusei.sf.net would be interesting for you despite the sorry state wrt looks. Dec 19 15:03:58 chouimat: looks to me like you don't need qtopia-core Dec 19 15:04:06 seems to be included Dec 19 15:04:07 the configure script is hell :D Dec 19 15:04:08 let me take a look Dec 19 15:04:11 thousands of options Dec 19 15:04:23 mickeyl: like usual Dec 19 15:04:35 few MB to go.. Dec 19 15:04:55 fetched Dec 19 15:05:05 mickeyl: it might explain why it's so huge Dec 19 15:05:20 ya Dec 19 15:05:25 * mickeyl building it Dec 19 15:05:45 o.. they use dejavu fonts Dec 19 15:12:29 -dbus .................. Enable DBUS support. Dec 19 15:12:31 hmm.. Dec 19 15:12:38 -dbusipc ............... Enable DBUS IPC support (instead of QCop). Dec 19 15:12:56 and alsa support.. Dec 19 15:14:45 * mrz80 is away: Metaphysically I'm still here; physically, I'm elsewhere Dec 19 15:15:20 hmmm helix support Dec 19 15:15:48 hmm Dec 19 15:15:53 don't enable -voip Dec 19 15:15:58 doesn't build with it Dec 19 15:16:07 Project ERROR: Could not find directory tools/sipagent Dec 19 15:17:09 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * ra0a2b808... 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): atk: unify Dec 19 15:21:20 how compiling OE in 6 machines looks like -> http://pastebin.ca/285042 Dec 19 15:22:57 coolness Dec 19 15:26:03 .Project ERROR: Could not find directory libraries/qtopiatest/qtesttools/host in any of the project roots Dec 19 15:28:12 hmm Dec 19 15:28:46 is there any README stating dependencies which we may miss? Dec 19 15:29:36 qtopia-opensource-4.2.0/doc/html/qtopia-dependencies.html Dec 19 15:29:51 aah Dec 19 15:30:12 sweet SD card works Dec 19 15:30:57 florian_kc: don't forget to update removal.txt Dec 19 15:37:10 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * ra0a2b808... 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): atk: unify Dec 19 15:38:42 Project ERROR: Could not find directory libraries/qtopiatest/qtesttools/host in any of the project roots Dec 19 15:38:48 ~lart qtopia Dec 19 15:38:48 * ibot_ gets a hotmal account and SPAMs qtopia Dec 19 15:39:24 hmmm I think I will forget helix for now Dec 19 15:43:30 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * rf9c74af4... 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): btsco: unify Dec 19 15:43:48 Oh, we got one step further ;-) Dec 19 15:45:03 ;P Dec 19 15:49:27 Qtopia has been configured. You can build Qtopia by running make. Dec 19 15:49:29 finally Dec 19 15:50:15 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r1df6d041... 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): busybox: unify Dec 19 15:50:25 oh, and the last one. Dec 19 15:50:50 Ifaistos: Did you get my response to your PM? Dec 19 15:51:08 Laibsch : nop Dec 19 15:52:01 I just resent it to ifaistos. Dec 19 15:52:45 Ifaistos: got it now? Dec 19 15:52:54 Laibsch : no. Dec 19 15:53:11 Anybody know if the OLPC are going to be available to common mortals for hacking? Dec 19 15:53:17 Ifaistos: you need to check your irc client. something is broken Dec 19 15:53:20 looks like a decent processor Dec 19 15:53:40 Laibsch: have you registered your nick? Dec 19 15:53:47 Ifaistos: I can read your stuff. Can you read mine? Dec 19 15:53:51 XorA: yes Dec 19 15:54:13 Laibsch : no. strange Dec 19 15:54:51 Laibsch : can u pm anybody else in the channel ? Dec 19 15:55:23 VoodooZ, talk to CosmicPenguin Dec 19 15:55:36 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r1b9b5e29... 10/ (1 conf/machine/a780.conf): a780: unbreak kernel selection Dec 19 15:55:39 Ifaistos: I successfully did so a few times in the past. I don't think this is my fault ;-) Dec 19 15:55:41 * CosmicPenguin wakes up Dec 19 15:55:44 eh? Dec 19 15:55:47 Crofton_: will ossie stuff get tarballs release? Dec 19 15:55:55 eventually Dec 19 15:55:57 CosmicPenguin: geode_lx is yours? Dec 19 15:56:34 VoodooZ, was asking if OLPC would be avilable for hacking Dec 19 15:58:12 hrw|work: It might have been Ray's, but I guess I inherited it Dec 19 15:58:50 VoodooZ: The OLPC is currently only available for the core developers - you can apply to get one if you think you can contribute something back Dec 19 15:59:02 CosmicPenguin: videodrivers has fetch error Dec 19 15:59:13 whats the url? Dec 19 15:59:17 19 13:38 < hrw|work> http://www.amd.com/files/connectivitysolutions/geode/geode_lx/Graphics_Video4Linux2_LX_03.02.0100.tar.gz - some one have it? Dec 19 15:59:20 19 13:38 < hrw|work> I want to check does http://www.amd.com/files/connectivitysolutions/geode/geode_lx/Graphics_Video4Linux2_03.02.0100.tar.gz is same Dec 19 15:59:21 Laibsch : write here Dec 19 15:59:24 ew Dec 19 15:59:28 CosmicPenguin: that ones Dec 19 15:59:29 ew Dec 19 15:59:29 ew Dec 19 15:59:34 root Dec 19 15:59:50 does OE even build 6.8 any more? Dec 19 16:00:07 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r81edd71f... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): add unrar, a decompression utility for the RAR archive format Dec 19 16:00:19 CosmicPenguin: I do not know - I fetch everything Dec 19 16:00:29 hrw|work: git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/driver/xf86-video-amd <-- thats where the 7.1+ driver lives Dec 19 16:00:35 hrw|work: I say, get rid of the old stuff Dec 19 16:00:39 CosmicPenguin: and my fetch script does not care what it is and what for Dec 19 16:01:02 CosmicPenguin: so I can drop it? Dec 19 16:02:06 hrw|work: hmmm - strange, that URL is valid Dec 19 16:02:15 hrw|work: but yeah - i say drop it Dec 19 16:02:23 CosmicPenguin: 2nd is valid, first not Dec 19 16:03:00 CosmicPenguin: thanks. I was just wondering as the specs looked much better than I anticipated. Dec 19 16:03:14 VoodooZ: I think you would be disappointed Dec 19 16:03:22 really? why? Dec 19 16:03:45 Not If the price is right Dec 19 16:03:59 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r863cf849... 10/ (1 packages/hvsc/hvsc_5.8.bb packages/hvsc/hvsc_45.bb): hvsc 5.8: update to v45. TODO: split package up... 63MB might be a bit too heavy for some devices *cough* Dec 19 16:04:18 I think It would make a perfect robot controller Dec 19 16:04:20 hrw|work: I can't figure out the difference between the working URL and not - too little coffee Dec 19 16:04:27 There are better Geode solutions for that Dec 19 16:04:41 maybe not the fastest but a nice package overall. Dec 19 16:04:43 The OLPC is not a very good general purpose hacking platform Dec 19 16:04:56 hrw|work: http://www.amd.com/files/connectivitysolutions/geode/geode_lx/Graphics_Video4Linux2_03.02.0100.tar.gz Dec 19 16:05:00 That URL works and is correct, use that Dec 19 16:05:07 CosmicPenguin: just dropped Dec 19 16:05:09 I'll post a new .bb for the GIT driver at some point Dec 19 16:05:20 if you had to recommend an x86 Offthe shelf ITX/nano board which would you recommend? Dec 19 16:06:31 I'm not sure which of all those C3, Geode, etc.. to choose. I don't care much for the media stuff unless I can use to do vision stuff Dec 19 16:06:36 VoodooZ: there are numerous Geode solutions available Dec 19 16:06:57 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r7ab404ab... 10/ (16 files in 8 dirs): kismet: dropped 2004-04-R1, 2005-01-R1 (dropped upstream) Dec 19 16:07:53 Ifaistos: Here is my answer to the message you sent me. Dec 19 16:07:53 VoodooZ: http://www.wdlsystems.com/modperl/view_services.cgi?r=detail&prod_num=1LHURLE&aisle_id=807 Dec 19 16:07:53 Ifaistos: Hi, I read about it in #oe. I had pinged you a couple of times. Thing is that the stuff before that did not appear to create any problems, but I also never saw any effect. For example, icemon tells me that 192.168.1.10 is running the scheduler (as it should). Dec 19 16:07:53 fore xample - thats built for industrial control Dec 19 16:07:53 Ifaistos: But I never see any nodes in icemon. So I guess something more general is broken with icecc here. Something that has nothing to do with OE. I am not sure I can fix it. Dec 19 16:08:32 Laibsch : icemon does not work with recent versions of icecc. the protocol has changed Dec 19 16:08:48 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r6e1343f1... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): removal: Drop gpe-mileage and nsqld. Dec 19 16:09:16 nice but expensive. Dec 19 16:09:19 Laibsch : add to the scheduler -vvv and check the log output Dec 19 16:09:29 Ifaistos: OK Dec 19 16:09:40 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rc4e8134b... 10/ (1 packages/geode-drivers/geode-v4l2lx_2.6.11.bb): geode-v4l2lx: dropped. xorg 7.1+ driver is in git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/driver/xf86-video-amd Dec 19 16:09:44 That's why I like the slug as it's mass produces so dirt cheap. the ones designed for developers tend to be overpriced. Dec 19 16:09:48 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r31db2946... 10/ (1 removal.txt): removal.txt: Update Dec 19 16:10:01 Perhaps I'll end up picking one of those via nanoitx ones. Dec 19 16:13:34 cu Dec 19 16:13:42 later hrw|gone Dec 19 16:14:43 Laibsch : you should see somehting like that for logs -> http://pastebin.ca/285101 Dec 19 16:16:08 RP: Hi! Dec 19 16:17:15 Ifaistos: I think /etc/init.d/icecc does have the -vvv but it appears that only iceccd and not the scheduler picks it up: http://pastebin.ca/285104 Is that right? Dec 19 16:17:17 RP: One question, I wanted to ask you during previous hx4700 lcd driver discussion, but didn't dare. Well, time has come ;-). So, why Zaurus doesn't use LCD classdev? Dec 19 16:19:42 Ifaistos: log seems to be working now. Dec 19 16:21:01 hi oe'ers :) Dec 19 16:21:31 Laibsch : good :). You should get an output like that once icecc kicks in -> http://pastebin.ca/285101 Dec 19 16:50:09 yo zecke Dec 19 16:50:15 qtopia 4.2.2 is out Dec 19 16:50:21 4.2.0, even Dec 19 16:50:27 still compiling Dec 19 16:50:34 compile finished Dec 19 16:50:37 doesn't run here Dec 19 16:50:39 heh Dec 19 16:51:06 hey Dec 19 16:51:29 mickeyl: I tried to get the helix support ... and gave up ... the instruction are not good enough Dec 19 16:52:55 hmm is the git binary on debian no longer named git? Dec 19 16:53:08 mickeyl: update-alternatives first Dec 19 16:53:16 oh Dec 19 16:53:17 * mickeyl tries Dec 19 16:53:52 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r13bb4c8b... 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): git: fix case of the disappearing snapshots by adding a stable release Dec 19 16:54:41 * mrz80 is back (gone 01:39:56) Dec 19 16:54:44 yay, that worked. thanks zecke Dec 19 16:54:47 mickeyl: git was a name of a GNU program... Dec 19 16:54:55 GNU interactive 't'? Dec 19 16:54:58 GNU interactive tools Dec 19 16:56:02 hmm time to implement the telephony stubs... Dec 19 16:56:03 mickeyl: did you fix git as well? Dec 19 16:56:21 git-non-native? Dec 19 16:56:22 mickeyl: git (on the target) expects to find stuff in ${S} Dec 19 16:56:38 dunno, i only built it. didn't try the cross version Dec 19 16:57:10 sounds like a task for sed? Dec 19 16:57:29 for everything is a task for sed :) Dec 19 16:57:36 but it's perl Dec 19 16:57:45 perl, like m4, makes my eyes bleed Dec 19 16:59:03 87MB of sourcecode, because Qtopia dev's are too stupid to download three separate tarballs? Dec 19 16:59:21 zecke: or use upstream code? Dec 19 16:59:27 like jpeg, png, zlib, etc Dec 19 16:59:41 zecke: core is included Dec 19 17:00:08 koen: no the 'size'/weight smells like Qt4 desktop, QtopiaCore4, Qtopia4 in onetar Dec 19 17:01:47 Ifaistos: Can you make anything out of http://rafb.net/paste/results/AQkeKv11.html ? The jobs are running on the scheduler machine only. Dec 19 17:02:05 dbus amr dbus gsm inputmatch libtimidity openobex qtdbus tar alsa bluez dissipate2 helix md5 openssl qtopiail zlib codecs inputmethodsatd sdptool <---- from 3rdparty Dec 19 17:02:10 zecke: ^^^^ Dec 19 17:03:07 oh Dec 19 17:03:50 zecke: helix is just the qtopia-integration stuff ... wasn't able to get it working yet Dec 19 17:07:32 ehm Dec 19 17:07:34 openssl? Dec 19 17:07:46 isn't take illegal to link against gpl? Dec 19 17:07:56 Hello Dec 19 17:08:07 sure it is Dec 19 17:08:08 hey sirfred Dec 19 17:08:48 and they started linking to it with Qtopia2.2 where not using GNU TLS was considered a crime against humanity already Dec 19 17:08:49 Ifaistos: Going by http://en.opensuse.org/Icecream I would need port 10245 open but it is not. I do not have a firewall running. Dec 19 17:09:06 Laibsch: if you don't have a firewall, it should be already open Dec 19 17:09:29 zecke: does gnu tls still sucks? Dec 19 17:09:47 no, as of last year it is usable... Dec 19 17:10:04 so Trolltech should be killed by forcing customers to print Dec 19 17:10:18 zecke: k Dec 19 17:10:20 This Software uses Software created by Eric Young in their books and other material... Dec 19 17:10:21 Ifaistos: Furthermore, after adding an explicit entry about the host machine running the scheduler there seems to be some (unsuccessful) communication, I get tons of entries like http://rafb.net/paste/results/F5IEvI16.html in the scheduler log. Dec 19 17:10:35 koen: That is of course nonsense. Unused ports aren't open. Dec 19 17:11:09 koen: the inference "detection of closed port" -> "FW running" is just not true. Dec 19 17:12:56 I believe this is a mismatch in the icecc package between edgy and dapper: 0.7.14-3 vs. 0.6svn20060501-0ubuntu2 Dec 19 17:13:03 koen: Proprietary code can link to OpenSSL. You only need to comply with the OpenSSL license and advertise Dec 19 17:13:15 koen: worse with BlueZ which is GPL and Trolltech links against it Dec 19 17:14:17 zecke: I'll refrain from making comments Dec 19 17:15:21 ouch they even messed up with bluez Dec 19 17:15:24 the question is, does dynamically linking against something make it a derived work Dec 19 17:15:45 They don't link to it. So avoid direct GPL violation Dec 19 17:16:05 but patch old bluez to work with Qtopia => see MySQL AB cases about that... Dec 19 17:16:12 dynamic linking is done during runtime, so actually the user does the linking Dec 19 17:16:20 giel: in KDE 'we' argue dlopening openssl is 'fine' Dec 19 17:16:30 zecke: i tend to agree with that Dec 19 17:16:49 giel: now where is the case from dlopen to SO_NEEDED? Dec 19 17:16:54 zecke: but this is at the moment also (again!) a hot topic on LKML Dec 19 17:16:56 giel: none and I tend to agree with the FSF here Dec 19 17:17:20 giel: but patching GPL sourcecode to work with proprietary lib is fishy! Dec 19 17:17:28 zecke: that's for sure Dec 19 17:17:34 giel: if it would be legal they would link to the lib directly Dec 19 17:17:48 * chouimat decides to go do something ... tired of all those licensing crappy discussion ... Dec 19 17:18:07 heh, actually, i don't want to talk about it now either ;) Dec 19 17:18:19 * giel retracts his remark :P Dec 19 17:18:20 laibsch : Yes the versions between edgy and dapper are not compatible Dec 19 17:18:48 Ifaistos: Do you know about a backport to dapper? Dec 19 17:18:56 laibsch : That's what you see in the second log you posted Dec 19 17:20:22 laibsch : As for the first log, it looks like jobs get distributes but since there is only one machine (the scheduler) it gets them. Also i have noticed that if the load of the scheduler is not high icecc prefers to send jobs to it than to remote machines Dec 19 17:21:14 laibsch : no i am not aware of any backports of icecc. Either update to edgy (this is what i did) or get the svn sources and compile them Dec 19 17:21:50 mickeyl: They have a EZX PhoneStyle included... Dec 19 17:22:10 I will eventually update to edgy. But this is my work machine so I have to do it in a controlled fashion. Dec 19 17:22:18 Let's see if I can compile it. Dec 19 17:22:32 zecke: really? funny :) Dec 19 17:23:10 mickeyl: for some reasons it is #if 0 Dec 19 17:23:39 zecke: if it runs for you, please do some screenies Dec 19 17:23:40 you can see it by setting int he server wigets setting app Dec 19 17:23:41 * mickeyl needs to go now Dec 19 17:23:53 hi ljp Dec 19 17:23:58 hello Dec 19 17:24:58 mickey|sports: no clean namespacing in Qtopia4 Dec 19 17:25:53 laibsch : Did you update the icecc.bbclass ? It looks like you are running the older version, not the one i check in today Dec 19 17:28:17 Does anyone know what's the latest linux-headers that can be used with uclibc-initial_0.9.28 ? Dec 19 17:28:21 * Laibsch updated http://www.openembedded.org/icecc Dec 19 17:28:51 Ifaistos: I still run the older version until I get the more general icecc issues sorted out. Dec 19 17:36:48 topia-opensource-4.2.0 ich$ grep -rn FIXME src/* | wc -l 99 Dec 19 17:41:12 zecke there is still also some porting comments as well Dec 19 17:42:44 XXX results in 248 Dec 19 17:43:08 Qtopia have been opensourced completely? Dec 19 17:43:20 sirfred: no Dec 19 17:43:28 ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/source/qtopia-opensource-src-4.2.0.tar.gz Dec 19 17:43:43 zecke: What's missing? Dec 19 17:43:45 ljp: Thanks Dec 19 17:43:46 sirfred: lacks complete Phone stuff and other stuff as well Dec 19 17:43:53 everything except sxe, drm and telephony Dec 19 17:45:16 Now that I've started to play with X... Dec 19 17:47:16 hey sirfred Dec 19 17:47:20 XorA: Hello. Dec 19 17:48:28 ljp: Last time i took a look at qtopia-core sources, I missed some examples that used to be for gfxdrivers, one for mach64, other for voodoo, IIRC, ... Is there any hardware acceleration support in the qtopia-core opensource version? Dec 19 17:48:29 ljp: nice Dec 19 17:49:16 same as what is in qtopia core Dec 19 17:49:33 ermm... that didnt make sense Dec 19 17:49:40 * ljp goes and gets coffee Dec 19 17:49:55 later Dec 19 17:51:17 Hi Dec 19 17:52:48 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r68550c89... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-handhelds-2.6-2.6.16/hx4700/defconfig): Dec 19 17:52:48 linux-handhelds-2.6 2.6.16: hx4700 defconfig: have ext2 builtin, so it can Dec 19 17:52:48 boot from a memory card. Dec 19 17:52:53 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rbfdb21ec... 10/ (1 packages/xserver-common/xserver-common_1.13.bb): Dec 19 17:52:53 xserver-common: Add 1.13. Dec 19 17:52:53 * All pending OE patches were accepted. Dec 19 17:52:53 * So far, DEFAULT_PREFERENCE=-1. Dec 19 18:03:39 ljp: so far qtopia look nice ... but the qvfb skins are a little bit hard to use with a 3200x1200 screen :) Dec 19 18:05:14 so get binoculars Dec 19 18:05:21 hehe Dec 19 18:07:02 koen, Everything is ready to upgrade Angstrom to linux-handhelds-2.6_2.6.16-hh8: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1701 Dec 19 18:14:31 psokolovsky: read my reply to your mail :) Dec 19 18:14:40 IOW: Dec 19 18:14:43 push it! Dec 19 18:14:56 koen, thanks ;-) Dec 19 18:15:32 I think we can follow the rule "a week of silence is complete approval" Dec 19 18:16:06 koen, I hope so ;-) Dec 19 18:21:44 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r6ffc8e88... 10/ (1 packages/xserver-common/xserver-common_1.13.bb): xserver-common 1.13: Remove DEFAULT_PREFERENCE=-1. Dec 19 18:21:53 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r2615762a... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): Dec 19 18:21:53 angstrom-2007.1: Upgrade linux-handhelds-2.6 to 2.6.16-hh8. Dec 19 18:21:53 * Prerequisite, xserver-common 1.13, was made a default version in previous Dec 19 18:21:53 commit. (-hh8 standardizes an makes consistent application buttons keycodes Dec 19 18:21:54 used by different HH.org ports). Dec 19 18:22:34 I object, those scummy Ipaqs dont deserve real code :-) Dec 19 18:24:46 XorA, lol. you hint something about bricky zauri which are no longer pdas and not yet notebooks? ;-) Dec 19 18:25:37 XorA: they deserve win32 codecs! Dec 19 18:25:55 * XorA shoulda kept that email chain Dec 19 18:28:30 * XorA has too many Zaurii Dec 19 18:28:39 *cough* Dec 19 18:28:44 zauri or zaurusses Dec 19 18:28:53 latin is too dead to get raped Dec 19 18:28:56 heh.. you should see my desk Dec 19 18:29:17 koen: in true latin Zaurus would probably be plural anyway Dec 19 18:29:43 yes, but zaurus is japanese Dec 19 18:29:54 so latinisms dont apply Dec 19 18:30:01 Zaurus ^ X Dec 19 18:30:11 XorA: yeah, 3rd declination and all Dec 19 18:30:38 one japanese, two japanii Dec 19 18:31:25 * XorA feels he should misuse some ' as well Dec 19 18:31:30 hey guys, that plural was sarcastic, of course ;-) Dec 19 18:31:50 XorA: it all makes sense Dec 19 18:31:55 XorA: one wus, two wii Dec 19 18:32:31 koen: I still wait for the special Golden Wii Dec 19 18:32:37 uuuuuh Dec 19 18:40:17 XorA: is that a side effect of irn bru? Dec 19 18:54:40 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * rfd71d3cd... 10/ (1 classes/icecc.bbclass): Fix typo in system restricted packages Dec 19 19:24:37 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r59c2be81... 10/ (1 packages/uclibc/uclibc_svn.bb): Point to correct dir containing kernel headers Dec 19 19:27:55 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * rc69a04fa... 10/ (1 site/powerpc-linux-uclibc): Initial commit for a powerpc-uclibc site file *needs clearing up* Dec 19 19:53:24 someone at the university is saying "D'oh" right now Dec 19 19:53:47 most likely the same person that disconnected the uni from the rest of the world Dec 19 19:53:50 * koen hugs gprs Dec 19 19:54:12 koen, do you have plans to provide another Angstrom build before holidays? ;-) Dec 19 19:54:24 anyone can do that Dec 19 19:55:05 koen, I mean, official, at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/ Dec 19 19:55:14 if I get time Dec 19 19:55:22 and access to the build box again Dec 19 19:55:24 heh, I see 20061219 there ;-) Dec 19 19:55:39 if it only picked up recent changes ;-) Dec 19 19:55:44 koen, ok, thanks! Dec 19 19:55:58 root@h2200:~# uptime Dec 19 19:56:01 20:22:49 up 35 days, 5:28, 3 users, load average: 1.02, 1.04, 1.00 Dec 19 20:04:11 psokolovsky_: install 'old' image -> ipkg update ; ipkg upgrade Dec 19 20:05:04 koen, well, I want to do some PR on local forums among dumb users, so that won't work ;-) Dec 19 20:06:03 educate them Dec 19 20:06:35 koen, first need to show them something (like working buttons) ;-) Dec 19 20:06:44 I can foresee >8 months between releases, but regular bugfixes via package feeds Dec 19 20:07:27 koen, btw, is angstrom still 2007.1 or 2007.3 now? Dec 19 20:07:27 3 Dec 19 20:07:39 ok Dec 19 20:07:42 mickey|sports and I will do some release talk during fosdem Dec 19 20:08:15 I see, nice. Dec 19 20:08:50 I just saw that popup baloons (like "Settings saved") are now normal size, not full-screen. So, things improve ;-) Dec 19 20:09:14 I'd still say that gtk2.10 themes look low-contrast on PDA ;-( Dec 19 20:09:41 still theme same theme engine Dec 19 20:10:27 koen, weird. I probably too conservative then ;-E. 2.6 looked better Dec 19 20:11:00 it's the same theme engine, so there's no perceptual difference between gtk-theme-clearlooks on 2.6 and 2.10 Dec 19 20:11:40 ok, will need to boot both versions to convince my persception ;-) Dec 19 20:23:14 mickey|sports: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2006-November/msg00125.html Dec 19 20:29:38 morning all Dec 19 20:31:12 hey hrw|gone, koen* Dec 19 20:31:18 hey Dirk Dec 19 20:52:24 http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/107695.aspx Dec 19 20:56:14 gd evening Dec 19 20:57:39 hey greentux_alt Dec 19 20:58:14 just i noticed ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/source/qtopia-opensource-src-4.2.0.tar.gz Dec 19 20:58:29 xmas time... Dec 19 21:00:12 oehm Dec 19 21:00:12 hm Dec 19 21:00:24 and zecke is on christmas party Dec 19 21:01:14 speaking of xmas party ... later Dec 19 21:02:11 woglinde: I am not the qtopia freak to say "yeahh thats it" or "sh...t code, useless"... Dec 19 21:03:27 hi Dec 19 21:03:29 linking /home/hrw/Desktop/downloady/qtopia-opensource-4.2.0/lib/libqtdbus.so.4.2.0 Dec 19 21:03:29 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqtopiabase Dec 19 21:03:30 hrw, I updated the OSK images on the celinux wiki Dec 19 21:03:34 tr htw Dec 19 21:03:35 re Dec 19 21:03:37 hrw Dec 19 21:03:39 hms Dec 19 21:03:46 greentux_alt: at least I will have a lot less #define in my code :) Dec 19 21:04:01 I checked my log and people actually downloaded them Dec 19 21:04:15 hrw: compiled fine here ... didn't tried with dbus yet Dec 19 21:04:16 cool Dec 19 21:04:26 and I became afraid they suffered from the dropbear/OABI problem Dec 19 21:04:42 chouimat|away: I'm not suprised with such problems Dec 19 21:04:55 I added a credit for OE also Dec 19 21:04:57 chouimat|away: I did build of qtopia 2.2 months ago Dec 19 21:05:42 and I 'love' tt buildsystem... Dec 19 21:06:03 hrw: didn't managed to get the helix support yet ... spent the afternoon buy xmas gifts ... and porting a small app to 4.2 ... removed an assload of #ifdef qt2 :) Dec 19 21:07:48 hrw: so I think this app will be qt4/qtopia4/kde4 around xmas time ... Dec 19 21:08:47 fscking xmas Dec 19 21:08:59 each fscking shop play fscking american xmas songs Dec 19 21:09:10 ideal time for xmas buying Dec 19 21:09:41 hrw: yup ... will cost me around 200CAD to go see my family for 3 days ... (and 6 hours trip (around 550km)) Dec 19 21:09:49 and now I have to fill 4 page long tax form because win32 app which I use for taxes can not count my tax... Dec 19 21:09:59 ~change 200 cad to pln Dec 19 21:10:05 chouimat|away: ONLY 6h? Dec 19 21:10:05 200.00 Dollar (CAD) makes 502.897 Zloty (PLN) (from http://www.xe.com/) Dec 19 21:10:13 chouimat|away: 9h in one way for me Dec 19 21:10:47 3h for me... :) Dec 19 21:11:12 hrw: one way ... in bus I asked my father to come get me in quebec city (about 100km) because the last part is the milk run (3 hours to do 100km) instead of 1 in car :) Dec 19 21:11:37 cu Dec 19 21:11:39 afk Dec 19 21:11:53 anyway time for me to go get drunk (a little bit) Dec 19 21:11:57 ~lart taxes, lack of tax apps for linux Dec 19 21:11:58 * ibot_ slaps taxes, lack of tax apps around with a large trout for linux Dec 19 21:16:32 * Ifaistos is happy as he got uclibc to compile for powerpc Dec 19 21:17:09 night everyone Dec 19 21:33:03 I wonder when we will get a day when qtopia will just build Dec 19 21:33:15 builds for me Dec 19 21:33:21 rofl Dec 19 21:33:32 linking /home/hrw/Desktop/downloady/qtopia-opensource-4.2.0/lib/libqtdbus.so.4.2.0 Dec 19 21:33:32 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqtopiabase Dec 19 21:33:32 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Dec 19 21:33:35 because you have all the dependencies :) Dec 19 21:33:43 ljp: looks like does not like dbus Dec 19 21:33:53 hmmm Dec 19 21:34:05 ljp: qtopia4 use parallel make but does not have depends Dec 19 21:35:53 we use a large teambuilder farm just fine. make -j1 also works Dec 19 21:37:35 ljp: I used 'make' without -j Dec 19 21:38:03 hrw: normally it is same as 'make -j1' Dec 19 21:38:30 'make -j1' fails in same way.. do I have to clean, reconfigure, make again? Dec 19 21:39:23 running configure will clean Dec 19 21:39:25 ljp: btw - any plans for splitted downloads or not? Dec 19 21:39:32 ljp: I forgot which options used ;( Dec 19 21:39:50 'make clean' started Dec 19 21:40:02 only one package since qtopiacore is tied to which version Dec 19 21:40:27 also hacked 3rdparty tied? Dec 19 21:40:43 ok. make clean;make -j1 started Dec 19 21:41:05 will see tomorrow how it will result (1.4GHz athlon is slow machine today) Dec 19 21:43:25 but I do not request support - TT will respond with 'we do not support gcc 4.1.1/debian, please use good old 3.4' or sth like that Dec 19 21:44:22 greenphone is compiled with 4.1.1 Dec 19 21:44:37 so ner Dec 19 21:44:55 ljp: qtopia4 doc does not even mention 4.1.1 - last 'experimental one is 4.1.0 Dec 19 21:48:01 look at devices/greenphone/environment it mentions 4.1.1 Dec 19 21:48:26 will later - now its 23:16 here Dec 19 21:49:28 *yawn* Dec 19 21:49:36 congrats ljp Dec 19 21:49:41 _finally_ :D Dec 19 21:49:57 thanks. ya, tell me about it Dec 19 21:50:02 hehe Dec 19 21:50:47 now if linuxtogo would fix svn db permissions so my import would succeed Dec 19 21:50:58 pester florian Dec 19 21:51:11 and then we can start changing buildsystem etc? Dec 19 21:51:12 hrw: sip 4.4.5 is now @ vanille Dec 19 21:51:13 i wil :) Dec 19 21:51:23 mickey|sports: gracias Dec 19 21:51:25 hrw: efl+ 0.1.0 will be removed Dec 19 21:51:26 np Dec 19 21:52:09 ljp: I like an amount of warnings which qtopia core give - nearly null Dec 19 21:52:21 ../../include/QtCore/../../../qt/src/corelib/kernel/qobject.h:370: warning: type-punning to incomplete type might break strict-aliasing rules Dec 19 21:52:28 mostly such things Dec 19 21:53:04 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r2cb095a3... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): efl++: remove 0.1.0 version (no longer fetchable) Dec 19 21:54:31 thats qt. talk to Oslo :) Dec 19 21:57:42 ljp: my qtopia4 build stopped before qtopia Dec 19 21:58:13 hmm Dec 19 21:58:39 now builds qtopiacore/gui Dec 19 21:59:11 opieII will have a zaurusclamshell device configuration Dec 19 21:59:21 19M archive: http://www.openembedded.org/~hrw/arch.tar.bz2 - Angstrom i686 chroot Dec 19 21:59:32 *self hosted* OE builds Dec 19 22:00:14 all thanks to mickey|sports's effort to unify the distros Dec 19 22:00:18 hrw: if you want to run qtopia on 16 bit display device before i get opieII commited, I have a patch that did not make it into 4.2.0 release Dec 19 22:00:36 ljp: I want to run it on my x86 box in qvfb first Dec 19 22:01:18 koen ;) Dec 19 22:01:40 ljp: my main toy lack good fb support Dec 19 22:01:56 odd Dec 19 22:02:15 so port qvfb :) Dec 19 22:02:18 ljp: its Progear webpad Dec 19 22:02:30 ljp: or port qtopia4 to qt4/x11 Dec 19 22:02:37 good luck Dec 19 22:03:01 i will try pushing that qt qtopia summit in january Dec 19 22:04:28 ? Dec 19 22:04:41 qt3support is building now.. Dec 19 22:05:22 I wonder will someone write qt2support for qtopia 1.x/2.x apps ;D Dec 19 22:06:07 qtopia doesnt use qt3support. thats for desktop tools Dec 19 22:06:52 if you do want to change opieII build system, please make it not compile desktop tools for cross builds Dec 19 22:07:13 * ljp grumbles Dec 19 22:08:23 ljp: plans are: build it, build it working more on less on x86/qvfb, try to use normal stuff instead of qtopia/3rdparty etc Dec 20 02:27:39 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/ Dec 20 02:29:52 I see a ixp4xxle image of anstrom on the site. Is there a be or am i missing something? Dec 20 02:31:14 The web page doesn't mention anything about ixp so It's probably still very experimental. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 20 02:59:57 2006