**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 21 03:00:03 2006 Dec 21 03:21:38 billytwowilly: Hi! Still online? I wouldn't mind getting OMAP device to hack on. ;-) Dec 21 03:22:09 hello Dec 21 03:22:22 omap would be the T2 right? Dec 21 03:47:56 psokolovsky_: having computer trouble a bit, so I may have missed something you said... Dec 21 06:20:44 morning all Dec 21 06:50:59 morning Dec 21 07:00:39 morning all Dec 21 07:28:40 good morning Dec 21 07:30:15 sup Dec 21 07:55:14 ~seen minipanda Dec 21 07:55:47 minipanda is currently on #oe (1h 13m 51s), last said: 'crap, in $OESTUFF/build/tmp/rootfs/ have /dev, but in bootstrap-image.tar.gz, no!'. Dec 21 08:05:16 oh hi all Dec 21 08:28:30 morning Dec 21 08:32:29 good morning Dec 21 08:34:14 good morning all Dec 21 08:48:29 hey Dec 21 08:48:57 hey zecke Dec 21 08:49:24 I'm such a moron, two hours too early... Dec 21 08:50:22 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r923e93be... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Dec 21 08:50:22 glib-2.0: update to 2.12.6 Dec 21 08:50:22 * also create glib.inc Dec 21 08:50:30 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0761b04e... 10/ (1 packages/pango/pango.inc packages/pango/pango_1.15.2.bb): Dec 21 08:50:30 pango: update to 1.15.2, create pango.inc Dec 21 08:50:30 Higlights from the announcement: Dec 21 08:50:30 * Optimizations: Dec 21 08:50:30 - Avoid some floating-point operations. Should cut the number of float Dec 21 08:50:33 ops per expose event in pangocairo to a half. Dec 21 08:50:35 - Cache ink and logical extents for PangoLayout Dec 21 08:50:47 :-D Dec 21 08:52:24 Is the Angstrom build failing on portmap for anyone else? Dec 21 08:52:55 rwhitby: hrw fixed that yesterday Dec 21 08:52:56 rwhitby: canot strip? Dec 21 08:53:37 yeah. let me make sure I updated properly. Dec 21 08:54:50 why has /. got news that debian is late, debian is always late :-( Dec 21 08:54:53 :-D Dec 21 08:55:19 koen@bitbake:/data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/deploy/glibc/images$ ls ../ipk/ | grep portmap Dec 21 08:55:19 portmap_5-24-r0_armv4t.ipk Dec 21 08:55:19 portmap_5-24-r0_armv5te.ipk Dec 21 08:55:19 portmap_5-24-r0_armv6.ipk Dec 21 08:55:20 morning Dec 21 08:55:23 built last night Dec 21 08:55:24 portmap just needed a clean and rebuild. I must have updated just at the wrong time for the PR bump or something. Dec 21 08:55:25 hey hrw|work Dec 21 08:55:58 ah.. I forgot to bump PR... Dec 21 08:56:45 I'd better attend to our autobuilders then, or they will be permanently hung. Dec 21 08:56:53 XorA: http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ Dec 21 08:57:14 have people seen the latest debian-arm catastrophe? Dec 21 08:57:25 rwhitby: what happened? Dec 21 08:57:39 all debian arm uploads have been stopped Dec 21 08:58:31 rwhitby: bump PR Dec 21 08:59:35 rwhitby: is the 8-way opteron and qemu guilty? Dec 21 08:59:44 yep. http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/12/msg00154.html Dec 21 09:00:10 lol, he wondered about these mystic segfaults... Dec 21 09:00:49 morning Dec 21 09:01:46 rwhitby: use the tinderclient again, this will automatically clean failed packages :) Dec 21 09:01:56 so arm ubuntu starting soon? Dec 21 09:02:26 rwhitby: I lost faith in debian when when the *paid* developers for armel turned out to be completely incompetent and several companies started funding parallel armel ports Dec 21 09:04:05 debian is obsolete, OE is the true word of God :-) Dec 21 09:04:25 XorA: at least to of those efforts use OE to bootstrap debian :D Dec 21 09:05:53 s/to/2/ somewhere Dec 21 09:08:07 koen: yeah I get emails from Neil Williams Dec 21 09:10:55 XorA: who's Neill WIlliams? Dec 21 09:12:18 koen: works on emdebbian, was at Linuxworld Dec 21 09:12:32 emdebian is still alive? Dec 21 09:12:58 koen: Im not sure, I think OE might be swaying them :-) Dec 21 09:13:30 the whole 'seperate debian/ dirs for embedded stuff' always seemed like a dead end to me Dec 21 09:16:20 should sneak in an Angstrom for x86/x86_64/ppc/* that uses apt and dpkg :-) Dec 21 09:19:40 http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2006/12/20#20061220-smc_wskp100 Dec 21 09:19:42 * koen is tempted to do a thumb build of c7x0 Dec 21 09:21:00 koen: what does that gain? Dec 21 09:21:14 XorA: 30% size decrease Dec 21 09:21:24 which helps a lot when you only have 32MB ram Dec 21 09:21:28 koen: I am interested, have c7x0 spare :-) Dec 21 09:23:01 /dev/mtdblock/6: 13/64 files (0.0% non-contiguous), 30/128 blocks !!! Dec 21 09:23:05 ext2 on mtd.... Dec 21 09:23:08 ~lart skype Dec 21 09:23:09 * ibot cuts off skype's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper Dec 21 09:23:20 skype? Dec 21 09:23:26 http://wiki.gpl-devices.org/index.php/SMC_WSKP100G#Serial_Console Dec 21 09:23:49 koen: that is funny, they use Qt for their skype Dec 21 09:24:06 koen: and these errors are fun as well.. "deepsleep off!!!!" Dec 21 09:25:18 koen: you got one? Dec 21 09:25:27 XorA: no, harald got one Dec 21 09:27:23 koen: so how do I turn on thumbieness? Dec 21 09:31:30 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r76e7f9f8... 10/ (1 conf/machine/include/tune-thumb.conf): tune-thumb: add tune file to enable thumb stuff on armvXt Dec 21 09:31:47 XorA: have a look at that :) Dec 21 09:32:46 mickey|sports: http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/opie-devel/31/3181.html lol Dec 21 09:33:00 mickey|sports: funny that lorn said Qt2 is good enough... Dec 21 09:34:15 lol flash on trolltech's website, now they are completely evil... Dec 21 09:34:53 XorA: include that tune file at the end of your machine.conf Dec 21 09:38:00 koen: about that mail - I do not read it this way Dec 21 09:39:01 hrw|work: what mail? Dec 21 09:41:10 http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/opie-devel/31/3181.html Dec 21 09:41:42 hrw|work: ah, you mean s/koen/zecke/ :) Dec 21 09:41:53 ops. Dec 21 09:41:54 too low coffee Dec 21 09:42:10 time to start audi day Dec 21 09:43:58 koen: does thumb have a performacnce hit? Dec 21 09:44:00 someone using the vsftpd package? Dec 21 09:45:49 XorA: the performance hit usually evens itself out due to faster loading times Dec 21 09:47:12 koen: cool Dec 21 09:47:20 ~lart collie for no thumb Dec 21 09:47:20 * ibot hereby declares collie a troll for no thumb Dec 21 09:47:33 XorA: it would be great for poodle Dec 21 09:47:37 trolls obviously look like the simpsons Dec 21 09:48:04 oh yeah, there is one of those in my drawer Dec 21 09:48:14 XorA: poodle, tosa, c700/750 Dec 21 09:48:38 tosa hidden round here somewhere as well Dec 21 09:49:31 gah, why cant I find any examples of how to use s3c24xx bitbanged spi Dec 21 09:52:09 I hope that kde4 will be more split then kde3... Dec 21 09:53:48 libpng 1.2.15beta in Debian got patch to add some legacy symbols. just for info if someone will have problem Dec 21 09:54:07 s/legagy/internal/ ? Dec 21 09:54:32 koen: yeah, unfix the library to fix the apps :-) Dec 21 09:54:38 legacy Dec 21 10:04:37 Ifaistos: ping Dec 21 10:04:45 good morning everyone. Dec 21 10:04:55 hi Laibsch Dec 21 10:05:01 hey Laibsch Dec 21 10:16:18 hi Laibsch Dec 21 10:36:17 hrw|work: and zecke quits :) Dec 21 10:36:26 21 12:02 < zecke> off to class Dec 21 10:40:03 koen: unfortuneately glibc isnt thumb compatible http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/eY0UCm65.html Dec 21 10:45:49 XorA: want to check mplayer rebuild on collie/3.5.4 Dec 21 10:45:50 ? Dec 21 10:50:49 hrw|work_: you uploaded one to upgrades? Dec 21 10:50:58 hrw|work_: I tested the one I build from that recipe Dec 21 10:54:01 XorA: not yet - but built one Dec 21 10:54:14 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r740568b1... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): granule: unify, add CVS bb file Dec 21 10:54:16 hrw|work_: cant test until tonight, collie is in cradle Dec 21 10:54:47 I decided carrying three Z's with me was excessive Dec 21 10:54:59 ok Dec 21 10:55:32 * XorA thinks Laibsh is actually a regexp for parsing out commoness Dec 21 10:55:49 XorA: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/t/xora/ Dec 21 10:56:19 hrw|work_: no mplayer.*collie.ipk Dec 21 10:56:26 ah.. right Dec 21 10:56:45 I forgot that it has to be collie exact Dec 21 10:57:16 I figured that noexecstack is sensible due to the number of hacks via AVI flying around at the moment Dec 21 10:58:50 XorA: ;-) granule is actually a package I work on (see added CVS bb file). Seized the opportunity to do good practice. Other than that, I work on bug 1688 from A to Z. Dec 21 10:59:37 Laibsch: i added a glib.inc and pango.inc today, but only made the most recent versions use it Dec 21 10:59:50 koen: Well done. Dec 21 11:09:31 BTW, if I inherit A from an inc file and B in the bb file itself, is that the same as inherit A B straight in the bb file? Dec 21 11:15:06 Laibsch: if A is needed by every includer of the inc file, it would probably make sense to leave it in the .inc file Dec 21 11:15:26 but I am a dumb noob, so I might oversee something hairy. Dec 21 11:16:24 smal question, in order to have open embedded I need to install monotone, but when I run the bitbake , it asks to install git Dec 21 11:16:29 likewise: this is not the FSF we dont have strange hairy beings :-) Dec 21 11:16:36 isnt it a redundency? Dec 21 11:16:57 niv_one_three: no, some recipes use git repos Dec 21 11:17:13 XorA - oh ok Dec 21 11:17:15 niv_one_three: the requirements for OE are more than monotone alone. Dec 21 11:17:46 I will write a newbie guide at open simpad - once I know how to build an image Dec 21 11:17:59 that way - it wont that dificullet for others Dec 21 11:18:44 I found no mention of open simpad, should I use open zaurus - for my simpad? Dec 21 11:19:31 as I am new here, I want to say hi to all, and thanks for OE Dec 21 11:20:09 My name is Niv and I did the bluetooth hack in my simpad, pictures are at oesf Dec 21 11:20:31 [hrw@misc1 test]$ for machine in omap5912osk progear c7x0 spitz h2200 h5000 efika e680 smdk2440 rt3000;do echo "MACHINE='$machine'">conf/auto.conf;echo $machine;bitbake bootstrap-image;done Dec 21 11:20:32 oesf died Dec 21 11:20:48 niv the simpad hasnt seen maintaince since 3 months Dec 21 11:20:53 because I have no time Dec 21 11:21:10 woglinde Dec 21 11:21:21 ok, I will try to get in to it Dec 21 11:21:44 niv I started to convert the kernel.confs do task-base Dec 21 11:21:49 hrw: was this line for me? Dec 21 11:21:55 but didnt check in soemhing Dec 21 11:21:55 no Dec 21 11:22:13 niv_one_three: I just started small test build Dec 21 11:22:26 woglinde: pls give me some pointers , like, what DISTRO is Dec 21 11:22:34 you can use Dec 21 11:22:39 hrw: sorry Dec 21 11:22:45 openzaurus-unstable Dec 21 11:22:49 ok Dec 21 11:23:09 do I also need to put down "arm" Dec 21 11:23:22 in that other definition Dec 21 11:23:37 hm you mean in local.conf? Dec 21 11:23:40 no Dec 21 11:23:47 only define the kernel Dec 21 11:23:54 but it will not work with .dev Dec 21 11:24:01 because its not task-base Dec 21 11:24:10 converted Dec 21 11:24:46 I also need TARGET_ARCH = ?? an machine Dec 21 11:24:51 and MACHINE Dec 21 11:25:22 woglinde: I see I need to put more effort Dec 21 11:25:22 sorry my work is at home and my head is like a sieve Dec 21 11:25:59 woglinde: in order to hack the bluetooth patch in - is there an older version - I may use? Dec 21 11:26:08 no Dec 21 11:26:15 I c Dec 21 11:26:16 is your bluetooth patch for 2.6? Dec 21 11:26:25 no its for 2.4 Dec 21 11:26:30 2.4 is long dead Dec 21 11:26:36 can the simpad do 2.6 ?? Dec 21 11:26:44 yes it can Dec 21 11:26:49 WOW Dec 21 11:26:58 2.6 = udev Dec 21 11:26:59 but the mq200 driver needs a little love Dec 21 11:27:19 I soldered a bluetooth module to the GPIO Dec 21 11:27:36 also soldered a SD/MMC to GPIO Dec 21 11:27:39 but I need to have time and must convice zecke for a hack session Dec 21 11:27:49 I see Dec 21 11:27:50 yes we know Dec 21 11:28:00 the documentation is open Dec 21 11:28:05 do you have a paypal acount? Dec 21 11:28:06 for the mq200 Dec 21 11:28:09 noe Dec 21 11:28:12 but zecke has Dec 21 11:28:24 but zecke lacks also time Dec 21 11:28:45 he zecke Dec 21 11:28:50 I got no clue as to what mq200 is Dec 21 11:28:53 zecke when will hack mq200? Dec 21 11:29:08 please give me one source to do my home work and read Dec 21 11:29:34 got a long weekend - to try and understand more Dec 21 11:30:06 woglinde: if you join us when evening at the congress you can force me to hack a sane mq200 driver Dec 21 11:30:35 zecke: pls point me to your paypal acount Dec 21 11:31:00 I don't have one anymore :) Dec 21 11:31:30 forgot pass? Dec 21 11:31:32 I'm getting enough appreciation 'at work' Dec 21 11:31:47 hrw|work: hehe, no I remember this one Dec 21 11:31:57 hm Oh I forget that with paypal Dec 21 11:32:00 forgot Dec 21 11:32:25 woglinde: I created a new one and they transfered the money... but I still need to spend it :} Dec 21 11:32:57 woglinde: so reserve one night and we hack whatever you want Dec 21 11:33:30 ok, I just thought to help you make the right choice :-) Dec 21 11:33:48 hehe Dec 21 11:33:53 hm Dec 21 11:34:03 any way, I would be glad to help in this Dec 21 11:34:13 we need an other day for play nfsu2 Dec 21 11:34:14 maybe on the documantation side.. Dec 21 11:34:55 woglinde : pls /msg me your email or IM Dec 21 11:35:08 niv sorry I have no time Dec 21 11:35:10 I want to keep in touch Dec 21 11:35:15 to answer you more questions Dec 21 11:35:22 look here Dec 21 11:35:33 we are often around Dec 21 11:35:43 cool Dec 21 11:35:51 thanks then Dec 21 11:36:11 oh -- if oesf is dead - where may I get updates? Dec 21 11:36:18 only mailing lists? Dec 21 11:36:22 which ml? Dec 21 11:36:31 hm oe? Dec 21 11:36:36 or simpad? Dec 21 11:36:50 ok, I will subscribe to oe Dec 21 11:36:55 ERROR: No providers of runtime build target hostap-conf (for ['/home/hrw/devel/oe/org.openembedded.dev/packages/tasks/task-base.bb']) Dec 21 11:36:58 NOTE: Removing failed runtime build target hostap-conf Dec 21 11:37:01 NOTE: Removing failed build target task-base Dec 21 11:37:03 fsck. Dec 21 11:37:18 shounds interestiong to see 2.6 on my simpad Dec 21 11:37:19 bitbake -b hostap-conf.bb works Dec 21 11:37:52 ideas? Dec 21 11:38:09 hrw lol Dec 21 11:38:13 when not you Dec 21 11:38:23 who than shoudl know Dec 21 11:38:26 ;DD Dec 21 11:39:37 found Dec 21 11:39:57 hehe Dec 21 11:42:57 ~oesf Dec 21 11:43:02 [oesf] rumour has it, oesf is newer name of ZUG - it provides forum for Zaurus/Ipaq/Simpad/etc users (see zug). It has nothing in common with OpenEmbedded (except for the first two letters), see http://www.oesf.org/ Dec 21 11:43:07 niv_one_three: we have nothing to do with oesf :) Dec 21 11:43:40 so where is the open embeded forum? Dec 21 11:43:58 niv_one_three: here Dec 21 11:44:12 xora *g* Dec 21 11:44:20 also what is the right setting of MACHINE , DISTRO etc to build opie-image for simpad? Dec 21 11:44:29 assuning it will be fixed.. Dec 21 11:44:43 machine=simpad distro=openzaurus-unstable or generic Dec 21 11:45:15 I used DISTRO="openzaurus-unsatable" and kernel 2.6 and arh=arm - but it still yells Dec 21 11:45:33 hrw: thanks Dec 21 11:45:50 I just want to leave the locl.conf in order Dec 21 11:45:52 zecke: can I get rights to kick builds from tinderbox? Dec 21 11:46:11 zecke: or can you kick some for me? Dec 21 11:46:37 zecke: OpenEmbeddedBuilds/hrw-test-build Linux 2.6.9-34.0.1.EL Dep is to kick Dec 21 11:52:11 hrw|work: kicking need to be implemented client side :) Dec 21 11:53:12 zecke: ok - so we will have stalled build there ;) Dec 21 11:53:48 koen: I'm building angstrom-2007.1/bootstrap-image for some known and some random choosen machines Dec 21 11:54:16 hrw|work: cool Dec 21 11:54:23 hrw|work: file bugs if something breaks Dec 21 11:54:57 koen: this build will rather not finish today and I will be offline for xmas rather Dec 21 11:55:15 hm. maybe I will do build for ALL machines instead... Dec 21 11:55:23 I'll be online, but busy with this !@#&*@&$#*@ php project Dec 21 11:56:21 starting from Feb I will be able to FORGET php ;!:D Dec 21 11:58:27 heh Dec 21 11:58:51 first job for hrw: build webadmin for $newdevice Dec 21 11:58:57 re Dec 21 11:59:08 hi koen Dec 21 11:59:18 hey woglinde Dec 21 11:59:41 damned theoretical computer sience Dec 21 11:59:48 koen: http://pastebin.ca/287342 Dec 21 12:00:03 koen: suggestions for it? Dec 21 12:00:22 hrw|work: don't build two images in one cmdline Dec 21 12:00:36 do_rootfs lacks locking with bitbake Dec 21 12:00:37 koen: rootfs clash? Dec 21 12:00:39 woglinde: why? Dec 21 12:00:52 zecke its complicate Dec 21 12:01:20 bitbake task-base bootstrap-image |tee logs/$MACHINE Dec 21 12:01:20 bitbake gpe-image |tee -a logs/$MACHINE Dec 21 12:01:38 koen: nothing more to change? Dec 21 12:01:47 nothing comes to mind Dec 21 12:01:50 ok Dec 21 12:01:53 * koen stabs gnutls Dec 21 12:02:05 koen: will start then. it will be tinderboxed so you can track it Dec 21 12:02:24 hrw|work: I suspect it will break at gnutls Dec 21 12:02:48 hrw|work: gnutls (or one of its deps) gets spurious -I Dec 21 12:03:09 pkg-config suspected or binconfig Dec 21 12:03:25 koen: maybe we should something like -legal-dir to gcc Dec 21 12:03:43 koen: something to make gcc error if someone puts in a include not from a subdir of this dir? Dec 21 12:03:56 XorA: updated dir with collie mplayer Dec 21 12:03:59 zecke: something like that Dec 21 12:04:23 hrw|work: cool, I shall try and test when I get home, approx 18:30 GMT Dec 21 12:04:36 XorA: thx Dec 21 12:04:37 zecke: in theory we only need -Istaging_inc -Icross_inc -Iworkdir Dec 21 12:05:44 NOTE: Removing failed build target virtual/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc-2.95 Dec 21 12:05:45 ;D Dec 21 12:05:56 heh Dec 21 12:06:08 MACHINE = "a780" Dec 21 12:06:09 now Dec 21 12:06:09 hihi Dec 21 12:08:15 sup Dec 21 12:09:55 make bin-config move blah-config to ${HOST_SYS}blah-config and write "${STAGING_BINDIR}/${HOST_SYS}blah-config" to ${STAGING_BINDIR}/blah-config Dec 21 12:11:45 HOST_SYS/bin/TARGET-blah-config? Dec 21 12:12:10 food.. Dec 21 12:12:18 hrw|work: we used to have a patch like that, but was removed Dec 21 12:17:37 hi, all! Dec 21 12:45:46 hi all Dec 21 12:46:11 i have runed this command line bitbake angstrom-bootstrap-image Dec 21 12:46:27 and now the system is makingsuccefull Dec 21 12:46:46 what i must doing now please ? Dec 21 12:47:03 zecke: hrw|work told me that, if i can organise some hardware, you need a autobuild server? Dec 21 12:47:18 i thinks that i add the package ? Dec 21 12:47:33 disaster, bitbake completed? Dec 21 12:47:44 yes Dec 21 12:47:56 look in tmp/deploy Dec 21 12:48:03 there are images and ipks Dec 21 12:48:34 just glibx folder Dec 21 12:49:22 you found the OW tmp dir? Dec 21 12:49:51 koen: any ideas whats breaking thumb? Dec 21 12:50:22 what is OW ? Dec 21 12:50:29 er OE Dec 21 12:51:15 Did you set TMPDIR in local.conf Dec 21 12:52:33 MOURF this line was commant Dec 21 12:52:36 # TMPDIR = /usr/local/projects/oetmp Dec 21 12:52:55 it's problem ? Dec 21 12:54:22 XorA: no idea, but I did "enable thumb ; bitbake gcc-cross ; disable thumb ;bitbake glic ; enable thumb" Dec 21 12:54:22 in /home/stuff/bitbake/glibc/ Dec 21 12:54:29 i have the image and ipg folder Dec 21 12:54:39 XorA: it's generating locales now Dec 21 12:54:39 it's good no ? Dec 21 12:54:42 ok so ity is comemtned out Dec 21 12:55:04 then there will be a directory called tmp under the directo0ry you ran bitbake in Dec 21 12:55:11 find it, and look in it Dec 21 12:55:27 it should have work, cross staging, deploy Dec 21 12:55:28 i have the image and ipg folder Dec 21 12:55:31 and maybe some others Dec 21 12:55:57 in the image folder i have the image...tar Dec 21 12:56:14 ok Dec 21 12:56:18 and in the ipg folder i ave lot of package.ipk Dec 21 12:56:38 that would be a tar file of a filesystem to load on the target hardware Dec 21 12:57:04 XorA: libstdc++6_4.1.1-r9_armv5te.ipk 212KB (thumb) 232KB (regular) Dec 21 12:57:08 in the image folder ? Dec 21 12:57:29 the tar ball in the image folder is a complete filesystem Dec 21 12:57:37 koen: cool Dec 21 12:57:38 untar it somewhere and see what is in it Dec 21 12:57:47 kk i must unzip it ? Dec 21 12:57:57 yes Dec 21 12:58:08 kk Dec 21 12:58:12 do you plan to have a hard drive or flash in the final system? Dec 21 12:59:16 XorA: could you file a bug about your glibc error? Dec 21 12:59:41 koen: oe.org of some random arm glibc bugzilla? Dec 21 13:00:02 XorA: OE bugzilla Dec 21 13:00:23 to unzip .gz what is the command line ? it not tar Dec 21 13:02:17 NOTE: generating locale gl_ES (UTF-8) Dec 21 13:02:20 gleek? Dec 21 13:02:29 tar xzvf filename Dec 21 13:02:35 koen: glutch Dec 21 13:02:43 glolish Dec 21 13:02:48 gunzip Dec 21 13:03:07 i have now an files witch have .ext2 like extention Dec 21 13:03:26 ah that would be in image Dec 21 13:03:34 of a filesystem in ext2 format Dec 21 13:03:40 yes Dec 21 13:03:47 do you have a tar.gz in the images directory? Dec 21 13:04:07 how i load this image in my target mother board Dec 21 13:04:13 no just .gz Dec 21 13:04:19 disaster, I don't know that Dec 21 13:04:32 greentux: we can make use of any hardware with plenty of disk space Dec 21 13:04:36 bitbake angstrom-bootstrap-image Dec 21 13:04:49 maybe this command witch make an image Dec 21 13:04:54 and not tar.gz Dec 21 13:04:58 ?? Dec 21 13:05:01 In my work, I flash a jffs2 file system into onboard flash Dec 21 13:05:25 disaster, local.conf can select what image formats are produced Dec 21 13:05:29 yes me too Dec 21 13:05:31 What format do you need? Dec 21 13:06:18 it's like default Dec 21 13:06:48 zecke: ok, will see. only 2 mbit sdsl access Dec 21 13:06:50 i just modify the MACHINE="epia" DISTRO="angstrom-2007.1" Dec 21 13:07:05 IMAGE_FSTYPES = "jffs2 tar" Dec 21 13:07:35 What is your IMAGE_FSTYPES Dec 21 13:07:39 IMAGE_FSTYPES = "jffs2 tar" Dec 21 13:08:24 you should have a file with the extension jffs2 somwhere Dec 21 13:08:25 like you Dec 21 13:08:48 can you pastebin 'ls tmp/deploy/images' Dec 21 13:09:08 yes Dec 21 13:10:32 greentux: it will only use it to download sources (once) Dec 21 13:11:00 greentux: and to upload logs Dec 21 13:12:36 zecke: what should I look for? amd 64 with 2 GB ram and 2x 250 sata? Dec 21 13:13:00 would sound nice Dec 21 13:15:53 angstrom for all OE machines + oz354x for all oz machines in progress Dec 21 13:18:23 How can I make the following work? pkg-native_1.2.3.bb requires pkg-native.inc which itself requires fontconfig_${PV}.bb which I thought would resolve to pkg_1.2.3.bb. But what is really happening is that bitbake will look for pkg_1.0.bb which is not there. Dec 21 13:21:01 pkg-native need fontconfig? Dec 21 13:21:35 zecke: bitbake/trunk + tinderclient == run each task separatelly with tinderclient for one task? Dec 21 13:22:05 http://pastebin.ca/287433 Dec 21 13:23:13 http://pastebin.ca/287429 Dec 21 13:23:22 it's my ls Dec 21 13:24:17 !oebug 1708 Dec 21 13:24:19 * * Bug 1708, Status: NEW, Created: 2006-12-21 05:52 Dec 21 13:24:20 * * dp(AT)xora.org.uk: Enabling thumb via -mthumb breaks glibc build Dec 21 13:24:21 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1708 Dec 21 13:24:47 I wonder if the machine file overrrides IMAGE_FSTYPES? Dec 21 13:25:26 bugger Dec 21 13:25:31 i don't now Dec 21 13:25:35 so like , I am at work , and now I understand that mq200 is a display adaptor Dec 21 13:25:59 epia.conf sets IMAGEFSTYPES to ext2 .... Dec 21 13:26:01 so 2.6 would work, but I will get no dispaly Dec 21 13:26:46 disaster, you need a jffs2 image? Dec 21 13:27:51 okey Dec 21 13:28:35 we will use a compact flash Dec 21 13:28:35 Anyone know why epia.conf set IMAGEFSTYPES? Dec 21 13:28:39 ok Dec 21 13:29:14 disaster, edit conf/epia.conf and remove the IMAGE_FSTYPES line Dec 21 13:29:24 okey Dec 21 13:29:33 then bitbake -c clean task-base Dec 21 13:29:34 remove Dec 21 13:29:44 and then bitbake angstrom.... again Dec 21 13:29:46 not just write jffs2 Dec 21 13:29:54 okey Dec 21 13:29:57 we go remove Dec 21 13:30:11 uncomment the IMAGE_FSTYPES setting in local.conf? Dec 21 13:30:15 er no ? Dec 21 13:31:08 XorA: google suggests it's a bintutils bug Dec 21 13:37:19 bitbake -c ... in construction Dec 21 13:37:31 hrw|work: Sorry for the confusion. I was trying to generalize. I am indeed working on fontconfig. I used "pkg" just as a placeholder. I would like to create a fontconfig.inc and a fontconfig-native.inc. fontconfig-native.bb will require fontconfig-native.in which itself shall require fontconfig_${PV}.bb. This does not seem to work as expected. fontconfig-native_1.2.3.bb (example) will ultimately depend on fontconfig_1.0.bb and not fontconfig-nativ Dec 21 13:37:52 I hope this is more clear now. Dec 21 13:40:33 woglinde: my local.conf reads, machine is simpad, distro is generic. yet I get Please set TARGET_ARCH directly, or choose a MACHINE orDISTRO that does Dec 21 13:42:34 koen: 2.17.50.0.5 here Dec 21 13:46:43 bitbake angstrom-bootstrap-image started Dec 21 13:50:24 NOTE: build 200612211731: completedBuild statistics: Attempted builds: 5debian:/home/stuff/bitbake# Dec 21 13:50:33 it's good ? Dec 21 13:51:11 see what is in tmp/deploy Dec 21 13:51:37 Angstrom-bootstrap-image-test-20061221-epia.rootfs.jffs2Angstrom-bootstrap-image-test-20061221-epia.rootfs.tar.bz2debian:/home/stuff/bitbake/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/ Dec 21 13:51:52 it's good Dec 21 13:52:20 what i doing now ? Dec 21 13:52:42 unzip tar.gz ? Dec 21 13:52:43 disaster_: you do builds *AS root*?? Dec 21 13:52:59 ?? Dec 21 13:53:21 Laibsch: fontconfig-native_X.bb = require fontconfig.inc Dec 21 13:53:42 Laibsch: fontconfig_X.bb = require fontcofnig.inc DEPENDS = "fontconfig-native" Dec 21 13:53:53 disaster_: "debian:/home/stuff/bitbake#" Dec 21 13:54:15 Laibsch: iin other words - do not depend on native stuff in .inc Dec 21 13:55:23 i have untar Angstrom-bootstrap-image-test-20061221-epia.rootfs.tar.bz Dec 21 13:55:44 in /home/stuff/bitbake/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/epia# Dec 21 13:56:08 what i must ding now ? Dec 21 13:56:31 add a packages or installed image in the target machine ? Dec 21 13:56:49 hrw|work: I am not depending on native stuff in .inc Dec 21 13:57:04 hrw|work: My proposed solution is at http://oz.leggewie.org/wip/fontconfig/ Dec 21 13:57:09 It does not work. Dec 21 13:57:12 ah sorry Dec 21 13:57:41 hrw|work: Maybe you can take a look at the .inc files and two bb files Dec 21 13:57:49 I think you will get the idea. Dec 21 13:58:01 Sorry for my bad explanations. Dec 21 13:58:53 disaster_: you do builds *AS root*?? Dec 21 13:58:57 yes Dec 21 13:59:35 disaster: don't do that Dec 21 13:59:42 kk Dec 21 13:59:56 Laibsch: fontconfig_do_unpack -> do_unpack_append please test Dec 21 14:00:00 but my image is not corompt ? Dec 21 14:01:30 Laibsch: make normal and native include own files in a way that native will have own parts and normal own ones but common base Dec 21 14:02:18 how i use this image Angstrom-bootstrap-image-test-20061221-epia.rootfs.jffs2 Dec 21 14:02:47 disaster_: for epia use tar.gz Dec 21 14:04:01 kk Dec 21 14:04:23 hrw|work: Three include files? -common.inc .inc and -native.inc? Dec 21 14:04:27 i just copy the folder untar in the compact flash ? Dec 21 14:04:58 Laibsch: yes Dec 21 14:05:00 disaster: t la Dec 21 14:05:05 hrw|work: OK Dec 21 14:05:13 I will postpone that a bit, though. Dec 21 14:05:18 disaster_: t la Dec 21 14:06:10 ??? Dec 21 14:07:45 XorA: http://rafb.net/paste/results/OloiLQ18.html Dec 21 14:08:26 I will cut tinderclient Dec 21 14:08:48 koen: a few K here and there then Dec 21 14:09:08 XorA: glibc, libgcrypt, alsa-libs have to be built without thumb Dec 21 14:09:53 koen: BUILD_PARALLEL_MAKE = "", BUILD_MODE_THUMB = ""? Dec 21 14:11:56 hrw|work: I'm thinking about something like ARM_INSTRUCTION_SET in conf/machine/include/ixp4xx.conf Dec 21 14:14:53 hrw|work: Sorry, either I misunderstand you or your approach will not work. fontconfig-native_1.2.3.bb will need all of fontconfig_1.2.3.bb. fontconfig_1.2.3.bb will share same stuff with fontconfig_1.2.4.bb via fontconfig.inc. How do I get the specifics from fontconfig_1.2.3.bb into fontconfig-native_1.2.3.bb if not via "require fontconfig-native_1.2.3.bb". I could make fontconfig_1.2.3.inc and require that in both the native and non-native version. Dec 21 14:15:13 s/share same stuff/share some stuff/ Dec 21 14:15:42 Laibsch: ok, I was wrong - I would have to read original ones but lack time for it Dec 21 14:15:53 Alright. Dec 21 14:16:04 --06:41:49-- http://downloads.sourceforge.net/e2fsprogs-native/e2fsprogs-native-1.38.tar.gz?download&failedmirror=osdn.dl.sourceforge.net Dec 21 14:16:12 e2fsprogs-native-1.38.tar.gz Dec 21 14:16:18 Laibsch: ? Dec 21 14:16:23 But cascaded requires do not work? Dec 21 14:18:02 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ree00daa0... 10/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Dec 21 14:18:02 binutils: update to 2.17.50.0.8 Dec 21 14:18:02 binutils-cross: ditto Dec 21 14:18:09 Laibsch: can you fix e2fsprogs? Dec 21 14:18:15 hrw|work: no e2fsprogs-native package on sf.net Dec 21 14:18:35 hrw|work: yes, I will. I believe this was the same in the original version. Dec 21 14:18:46 hrw|work: no e2fsprogs-native project on sf.net Dec 21 14:18:48 Laibsch: or $PN in SRC_URI rather Dec 21 14:18:52 now i must put the jffs2 files sytem in my compact flash Dec 21 14:19:09 disaster_: unpack tarball, do not use jffs2 Dec 21 14:19:21 compact flash and jffs2? are you sure? Dec 21 14:19:26 but i must export the image in my compact flash before add the package like x11, vlc ... ? Dec 21 14:19:49 disaster, first just figure out how to boot a simple image Dec 21 14:19:57 it sounds like you have a lot of reading to do Dec 21 14:20:00 i read that not put ext2 or ext 3 in compact flash Dec 21 14:20:26 kk Dec 21 14:20:29 i would agree with not putting ext3 on cf Dec 21 14:20:32 disaster: you sound like you are starting a project without knowing your target Dec 21 14:20:35 just get something to boot Dec 21 14:20:58 understand that process, before moving on to next steps Dec 21 14:23:04 re Dec 21 14:23:32 sorry break current Dec 21 14:23:58 i must use the ext3 files system for my compact flash ? Dec 21 14:24:10 15:47 < zecke> i would agree with not putting ext3 on cf Dec 21 14:24:10 disaster_: do it with small steps: 1. boot bootstrap-image (cf with ext2) Dec 21 14:24:21 ha kk Dec 21 14:24:27 disaster_: then 2. install extra stuff Dec 21 14:24:49 how i do this Dec 21 14:24:50 disaster_: when you will finish step 1 you will have does base system work Dec 21 14:24:59 disaster_: first do 1st step Dec 21 14:25:05 XorA: another present for you Dec 21 14:25:06 kk Dec 21 14:25:25 i put ext2 files system in my compact flash Dec 21 14:26:24 but how i pu image in compact flash Dec 21 14:26:36 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r1fa4326c... 10/ (1 conf/machine/include/tune-thumb.conf): tune-thumb: add more elaborate version which should allow setting ARM_INSTRUCTION_SET = "arm" in recipes as a killswitch, stolen from ixp4xx.conf Dec 21 14:27:36 disaster, find a compact falsh to usb adapter? Dec 21 14:27:57 we have Dec 21 14:28:53 but it's tome to go Dec 21 14:29:04 we come back tmorow Dec 21 14:29:39 disaster, good luck tomorrow Dec 21 14:30:17 hrw|work: NOTE: package e2fsprogs-native-1.38-r6: task do_fetch: completed. Dec 21 14:30:21 will push Dec 21 14:30:24 thx Dec 21 14:31:34 we will see you tomorrow ? Dec 21 14:31:35 we hope Dec 21 14:31:50 okey Dec 21 14:31:55 we must go Dec 21 14:31:57 BB all Dec 21 14:35:45 03koen 07org.oe.dev * re7503adc... 10/ (1 conf/machine/include/tune-thumb.conf): tune-thumb: fix typos Dec 21 14:36:12 hrw|work: fetch completes, but actually nothing is fetched. I need to look into it. Dec 21 14:37:13 hrw|work: Cleaning the package cleared things and fetching does indeed work (verified) Dec 21 14:39:26 ok Dec 21 14:41:19 bitbake + tee == totally suxx combo Dec 21 14:42:36 looking good for FOSDEM Dec 21 14:42:57 looks like astrid is 82 euro thursday night through Sunday Dec 21 14:43:04 Crofton_: yay! Dec 21 14:43:15 Crofton|home: cool Dec 21 14:43:19 Monday night rate jumps to 119 Dec 21 14:43:59 one day jet lag recovery, one day touron, 2 days conference Dec 21 14:44:01 Crofton|home: monday is the start of the new season Dec 21 14:44:16 ah Dec 21 14:44:26 "spring" Dec 21 14:44:29 * koen coughs Dec 21 14:44:33 plane leaves at 10:30 on Moday Dec 21 14:44:35 right Dec 21 14:44:42 not even winter here Dec 21 14:44:45 hardly Dec 21 14:44:58 but I have been geting emailed pics from Colorado all mornign from a friend Dec 21 14:45:35 travelocity may save me money on hotel, although with the spring info, maybe not :) Dec 21 14:47:27 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r3c929653... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fuse: unify, clean up Dec 21 14:47:40 oooh http://primates.ximian.com/~federico/news-2006-12.html#20 Dec 21 14:47:40 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * rf380086d... 10/ (1 packages/e2fsprogs/e2fsprogs.inc): e2fsprogs: Replace ${PN} in .inc to make sure fetch does not break for native package. Thanks hrw. Dec 21 14:47:50 thx Laibsch Dec 21 14:47:52 time to meet federico again Dec 21 14:49:17 hi Dec 21 14:49:32 http://fosdem.org/2007/schedule/speakers/joe+hewitt - cool. Dec 21 14:50:52 Crofton_: all these people come to Belgium for the beer: http://fosdem.org/2007/schedule/speakers Dec 21 14:50:53 koen : are you running the mailserver for OE ? Can you check if it can resolve the digital-opsis.com domain correctly ? I think there might be a problem in the MX records Dec 21 14:51:42 Ifaistos: http://rafb.net/paste/results/YsEnW026.html Dec 21 14:52:32 Ifaistos: and http://rafb.net/paste/results/KWCPbw69.html Dec 21 14:53:19 Cpu(s): 31.9% us, 7.9% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 59.9% wa, 0.3% hi, 0.0% si Dec 21 14:53:34 nearly no work but two bitbake runs.. Dec 21 14:54:06 59.9% wa Dec 21 14:54:09 slow IO Dec 21 14:54:16 looks like Dec 21 14:54:31 koen : I have registred and with a second email from the same server but still no email from the list Dec 21 14:54:38 Out of Memory: Killed process 16694 (python). Dec 21 14:54:51 no swap... argh Dec 21 14:55:05 time to prepare swapfile Dec 21 14:55:05 koen : I'll try to register with one from the isp and see if i can get anything Dec 21 14:55:24 koen: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/UO98dU13.html Dec 21 14:55:52 hmmm Dec 21 14:55:56 that old problem Dec 21 14:57:48 uf. added 2G swapfile Dec 21 14:58:11 maybe will help Dec 21 15:02:22 XorA: I get a ~5% size decrease for bootstrap-image Dec 21 15:02:42 koen: sweet Dec 21 15:06:09 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rec6dbe9f... 10/ (1 packages/expat/expat.inc packages/expat/expat_2.0.0.bb): Dec 21 15:06:09 expat: repair some SRC_URI breakage Dec 21 15:06:09 expat-native: ditto Dec 21 15:14:59 koen : registered from another email address and it worked.... Dec 21 15:35:28 03koen 07org.oe.dev * reca1c813... 10/ (1 packages/angstrom/angstrom-version.bb): angstrom-version: make machine specific Dec 21 15:35:36 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rc4353eb4... 10/ (1 packages/pango/pango.inc): pango.inc: small tweak to make building from scratch work Dec 21 15:35:50 koen: what machine specific is in angstrom-version? Dec 21 15:36:45 hrw|work: people should not get an updated angstrom-version if it wasn't built for that machine Dec 21 15:37:05 koen: ah.. that way Dec 21 15:38:04 hmm.. qemu just failed on x86.. Dec 21 15:39:43 mtn: error: I/O failure while talking to peer monotone.openembedded.org, disconnecting Dec 21 15:39:57 any problem with the repository ? Dec 21 15:40:15 too much users? Dec 21 15:58:18 you guys have a definitive answer: zaurus has or doesn't have a REAL hardware clock? Dec 21 15:58:53 XorA: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/thumb/comparison.txt Dec 21 15:59:13 shula: your question is too vague to have a definitive answer Dec 21 16:00:30 what do you mean? when i power off, and start after few days, will it know what date&time is it? Dec 21 16:00:54 that are 2 different questions Dec 21 16:01:08 first: which model zaurus? Dec 21 16:01:31 c860... doenst matter, really. i'll buy a one that has this capability. Dec 21 16:01:41 curretnly i own a 860 Dec 21 16:01:55 koen: nice figures Dec 21 16:02:33 XorA: I wonder if I should add tune-thumb.inc to all armv5t+ machines Dec 21 16:02:44 koen: only when glibc is fixed Dec 21 16:03:10 XorA: revision 57ee8349365e6e2803c553b9aa0f489d035360e0 :) Dec 21 16:04:32 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r57ee8349... 10/ (1 packages/glibc/glibc_2.5.bb): glibc 2.5: for some reason (#1708) glibc doesn't like thumb, so set ARM_INSTRUCTION_SET = "arm" Dec 21 16:06:05 koen: thats cheating :-) Dec 21 16:06:12 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r6a375c46... 10/ (1 packages/libgcrypt/libgcrypt_1.2.3.bb): libgcrypt: disable thumb for thumb capable CPUs Dec 21 16:07:28 hey mickeyl Dec 21 16:08:18 o.. mickeyl Dec 21 16:08:29 hey mickeyl Dec 21 16:08:45 shula: collie is closest to having one probably Dec 21 16:10:07 hi guys Dec 21 16:10:51 ~lart Print support in kde Dec 21 16:10:51 * ibot offers Print support in kde some herring Dec 21 16:11:09 hrw|work: s/kde/linux/ Dec 21 16:11:19 s/linux/computers/ Dec 21 16:11:31 question: how much time does kword/kpdf/kghostview need to print 8 pages from pdf? Dec 21 16:11:35 answer: eons Dec 21 16:11:41 mickeyl: did your project succeed yesterday? Dec 21 16:12:06 hrw: thankx Dec 21 16:12:26 koen: no :/ we got two production LCMs for attach to the developer board sent and and one works (in berlin) and one is broken (in frankfurt) .... Dec 21 16:12:50 i'm taking the working on with me next week Dec 21 16:12:54 s/on/one/ Dec 21 16:13:14 mickeyl: I actually meant the applet, but that is also usefull info ;) Dec 21 16:14:02 oh right, the applet. i was doing sports the whole evening, i'll work on the applet tomorrow, but a short look at mb-applet-light tells me everything will be good :) Dec 21 16:16:13 koen: should try turing on iwmmxt on pxa27x's Dec 21 16:23:46 XorA: turing? Dec 21 16:24:23 turning on Dec 21 16:24:35 anyway time for trains Dec 21 16:25:04 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * rea96eefc... 10/ (1 packages/uclibc/uclibc.inc): This fix allows uclibc-initial-0.9.28 to compile and closes bug #1632 Dec 21 16:25:12 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r2cb4d98d... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Dec 21 16:25:12 Set corect path to kernel headers for uclibc_svn Dec 21 16:25:12 Add patch to allow gettext to compile Dec 21 16:25:26 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r59d04a36... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): dht-walnut uclibc_svn config file Dec 21 16:25:26 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * ra083f4b0... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Efika uclibc_svn config file Dec 21 16:26:36 koen : with these patches i can build task-base using linux-uclibc as distro Dec 21 16:26:53 koen : for efika and dht-walnut Dec 21 16:26:59 s/distro/target_os/ Dec 21 16:28:07 koen : generic-uclibc Dec 21 16:28:26 tried angstrom yet with uclibc? Dec 21 16:28:44 what's the PPC savings with uclibc? About a meg? Dec 21 16:28:54 not yet Dec 21 16:30:07 HopsNBarley : No it think its more, but don't have the numbers now Dec 21 16:30:29 HopsNBarley : and with uclibc it depends on what you want to have installed.... Dec 21 16:30:46 thanks. Dec 21 16:31:07 mickeyl: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/thumb/comparison.txt - thumb vs regular packages Dec 21 16:31:09 HopsNBarley : the OE configs of uclibc includes almost everything uclibc can offer Dec 21 16:31:28 koen: which is which? Dec 21 16:31:43 smaller one is thumb Dec 21 16:31:45 ? Dec 21 16:31:47 yes Dec 21 16:31:56 pn: thumb regular (kb) Dec 21 16:32:03 not bad Dec 21 16:32:06 20k for libstdc++ Dec 21 16:32:16 50k saving for libxml2 Dec 21 16:32:18 cool Dec 21 16:32:46 and this is confirmed to work for armv4? Dec 21 16:32:50 ~100kB smaller tar.bz2 for angstrom-bootstrap-image Dec 21 16:33:04 mickeyl: haven't tried for armv4t yet Dec 21 16:33:46 k Dec 21 16:33:50 samba_3.0.14a-r15_armv5te.ipk: 6920 7488 (kB) Dec 21 16:33:55 half a meg Dec 21 16:34:15 good for all our <= 16MB flash systems Dec 21 16:34:36 ~lart collie for having no thumb Dec 21 16:34:37 * ibot farts in collie's general direction for having no thumb Dec 21 16:36:05 Ifaistos, you've added a PPC config then for uclibc? Dec 21 16:36:36 HopsNBarley : yes for 2 machines efika and dht-walnut Dec 21 16:37:32 Ifaistos, great! I may give that a whirl in the next week or so. Dec 21 16:37:39 HopsNBarley : If you use gcc 4.x you need uclibc_svn or it will not work Dec 21 16:37:50 i do. thanks for the tip. Dec 21 16:42:15 hmm Dec 21 16:42:22 that doesn't look good for snow on 24th Dec 21 16:42:34 mickeyl: I'd like to include tune-thumb.inc in all armv5 and armv6 machines, should it be enabled by default or disabled? Dec 21 16:43:05 koen: I'd say enabled, if mixing thumb packages with non-thumb works Dec 21 16:43:10 I'd say disable, if otherwise Dec 21 16:44:13 mickeyl: it works fine, but I remember the outrage of some people when enable tune-xscale Dec 21 16:44:42 koen: in that case, let's vote via mailing list Dec 21 16:44:51 One thing i noticed for uclibc since the machine =x86 now defaults to 486 instead 386 it will fail, as there are no configs for 486. Just for 386 and 586 Dec 21 16:45:53 we should add one then Dec 21 16:45:57 Hi! Dec 21 16:46:02 386 is too old Dec 21 16:46:07 so i had to bump that to get NTPL working Dec 21 16:46:43 koen, h3900's 2.6 port is reached "usable" state. As usual, just replace 2.4 with 2.6 machine config? Dec 21 16:46:46 Ifaistos: gcc and/or glibc does not support 386 from some time Dec 21 16:47:08 psokolovsky_: yeah Dec 21 16:47:13 mickeyl : i think just copying the uClibc configs in a 486 dir will be sufficient as "transision" Dec 21 16:47:18 psokolovsky_: I don't have a h3900, so it's all fine by me :) Dec 21 16:47:25 ok ;-) Dec 21 16:47:34 Ifaistos: ACK Dec 21 16:49:06 To have a request, should i add a bug for that? Or how is that handeld? Dec 21 16:49:48 goxboxlive : request are more expensive near Christmas time :) Dec 21 16:49:59 :-) Dec 21 16:51:01 hi. i'd like to make an image that doesn't include ipk within it. should i be looking at o.oe.dev/packages/images and finding the ones without inherit image_ipk? Dec 21 16:54:06 goxboxlive: bugzilla knows about the severity "feature wish" Dec 21 16:55:27 happy Xmas everybody Dec 21 16:58:58 merry xmas Dec 21 16:59:35 koen : did you say you had a problem with efika/angstrom and usb ? Dec 21 17:00:41 Ifaistos: libusb doesn't compile overhere, so I remove 'usbhost' from MACHINE_FEATURES Dec 21 17:03:38 koen : ok. i'll look into this Dec 21 17:04:31 koen : i had a problem with usbutils in the owmnr distro Dec 21 17:05:36 cu tommorow all. going to the pub now :) Dec 21 17:08:26 have fun Dec 21 17:08:40 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r3dbb1098... 10/ (1 packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive_X11R7.1-1.1.0.bb): xserver-kdrive: disable thumb using ARM_INSTRUCTION_SET = "arm" Dec 21 18:13:04 hrw|gone|xmas: good to go on that new mplayer for collie Dec 21 18:16:11 XorA|gone: samba gets 500kB smaller with thumb Dec 21 18:16:21 XorA|gone: the rest is still a bit unimpressive Dec 21 18:16:29 koen: cool Dec 21 18:16:55 koen: it might be worth as a policy making utils/services thumbed, but stuff user sees, not thumbed Dec 21 18:17:47 XorA|gone: something like that Dec 21 18:22:51 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r97d5d65a... 10/ (1 packages/gmp/gmp.inc): gmp.inc: disable thumb via ARM_INSTRUCTION_SET = "arm" Dec 21 18:56:00 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r883aa581... 10/ (1 conf/machine/include/tune-thumb.conf): tune-thumb: convert to negative logic Dec 21 19:19:21 ping ~koen Dec 21 19:21:44 hi gremlin[it] :) Dec 21 19:21:55 hi univac ! Dec 21 19:27:17 is there anyone here who would be able to, or willing to help w/ the writing of an SD driver for collie, given the information at http://josejx.net/collie/ Dec 21 19:31:45 could the current SD driver for the 2.6 kernels be modified, given the information at http://josejx.net/collie/? Dec 21 19:32:18 summatusmentis: you mean 'created' instead of 'modified', right? Dec 21 19:32:52 there's no SD driver at all in 2.6? I meant modify the one being used for the Cxx00 series Dec 21 19:33:24 there's no SD driver for the locomochip which collie uses Dec 21 19:34:23 if the specifications given in the link are accurate, could the driver for the other chip be modified? or would it need to be written from scratch? Dec 21 19:34:45 from scratch (within the mmc framework present in the kernel) Dec 21 19:34:56 I see, ok Dec 21 19:35:07 Dirk Opfer made a start, but he has very little time these days Dec 21 19:35:29 I'd like to try, or get a group of people together and try Dec 21 19:35:47 I'm not experienced enough to do it by myself Dec 21 19:36:16 If you start, you can find most zaurus kernel devs here (RP and do13) Dec 21 19:37:01 they probably don't want to just do it? :-P this would be my first kernel project Dec 21 19:37:06 keep in mind that the holidays are starting so people might be away from internet till after new year Dec 21 19:37:29 I didn't think about that Dec 21 19:38:09 josejx was here last week showing us the info Dec 21 19:38:58 what was the reaction? Dec 21 19:39:17 RP wanted to work on it, but he has little free time as well Dec 21 19:39:38 ok, well, that's good at least Dec 21 19:40:03 I was sort of under the impression that noone was interested, which is what prompted my thinking Dec 21 19:40:29 someone in #openzaurus is willing to contribute to devs who get an complete driver working Dec 21 19:43:30 thanks koen I need to go Dec 21 19:44:06 koen, about amonth ago I start to go to the local (Padua) Linux user group ... and 4 guys bouth ipaq after they seen mine :) ... but now they would like i'll do a intro talk about OE/Bitbake ... u have something maybe used on some conventions that i can traslate or use as starting point ? Dec 21 19:44:29 I think we have a wiki page listing all presentations Dec 21 19:44:31 * koen looks Dec 21 19:44:55 gremlin[it]: have a look at http://www.openembedded.org/papersandpresentations Dec 21 19:45:19 perfect Koen ;) Dec 21 19:45:58 ~seen sirfred Dec 21 19:46:23 sirfred was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 2d 1h 58m 9s ago, saying: 'ljp: Last time i took a look at qtopia-core sources, I missed some examples that used to be for gfxdrivers, one for mach64, other for voodoo, IIRC, ... Is there any hardware acceleration support in the qtopia-core opensource version?'. Dec 21 19:52:51 ~seen lennert Dec 21 19:53:32 lennert was last seen on IRC in channel #openjtag, 43d 9h 47m 35s ago, saying: 'probably LE as that's what other folks use'. Dec 21 20:15:28 summatusmentis: go for it man, we can try and chip in Dec 21 20:16:52 koen: why cant familiar.conf be added to removal.txt for end of january Dec 21 20:17:05 koen: that gives a month for a new maintainer to stop up Dec 21 20:17:16 XorA|gone: I'll leave that to other Dec 21 20:17:27 XorA|gone: I'm not touching anything familiar related anymore Dec 21 20:17:33 * XorA|gone goes to make that change Dec 21 20:22:27 is there an alternative to cdrtools, if i want mkisofs? i certainly don't want cdrtools, if i can avoid it. Dec 21 20:23:18 tmbinc_: didn't debian fork it a while ago? Dec 21 20:23:45 cdrkit, ah yeah Dec 21 20:23:51 i will try it, thanks Dec 21 20:24:41 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r0a670ad1... 10/ (1 removal.txt): removal.txt : added familiar-unstable.conf Dec 21 20:24:58 what's the retail price for the cheaper DVB-C capable dreambox? Dec 21 20:25:56 which one? we have the (small) DM500-C, which retails for *looking at ebay* 180 euro Dec 21 20:26:12 yes, that one :) Dec 21 20:26:47 and the DM7025 , which isn't cheap, for something like 500 EUR (ouch :) Dec 21 20:26:55 but there are developer discounts ;) Dec 21 20:27:11 the DM500-C however doesn't use OE, and has only 8MB (NOR) flash Dec 21 20:27:22 oooooow Dec 21 20:27:39 there will be the DM600PVR which uses OE, but it's (still) not yet there. Dec 21 20:27:47 for about the same price as the DM500 Dec 21 20:31:16 tmbinc_: is there a upnp server available for the dreamboxen? Dec 21 20:33:11 i think there is was twonkeyvision binary released by them, and of course you can compile something free Dec 21 20:34:18 has anyone build dbus-glib using OE? Dec 21 20:34:27 I always get some include errors Dec 21 20:34:34 (missing dbus/dubs.h) Dec 21 20:34:54 I have tried building all the *-native just in case, but it doesn't help Dec 21 20:35:10 tmbinc_: cool, I was looking for something working, which seems to exclude most FOSS upnp servers Dec 21 20:35:45 mccarthy: built it today without problems Dec 21 20:35:49 hmm Dec 21 20:36:05 no clue what I am missing here Dec 21 20:36:56 is there a way to force it to use a particular include directory? (like a -I to bitbake?) Dec 21 20:38:07 what does 'bitbake -s | grep dbus' say? Dec 21 20:38:55 is there one in particular you are looking for (it is on a different machine so no cut and paste) Dec 21 20:39:18 I am trying to build dbus-glis Dec 21 20:39:23 the versions of dbus and dbus-glib Dec 21 20:39:30 it lists that with a version 0.72-r0 next to it Dec 21 20:39:43 it seems like dbus doesn't get built Dec 21 20:39:43 dbus is 10.2-r1 Dec 21 20:39:48 oops 1.0.2-r1 Dec 21 20:40:27 should I "bitbake -f -c clean" it? Dec 21 20:40:35 (I think that would force a rebuild) Dec 21 20:41:28 i've had problems with 0.72 and use 0.71 Dec 21 20:41:57 PREFERRED_VERSION_dbus-glib ?= "0.71" Dec 21 20:48:30 koen, you do not know how to recover a borked mtdblock/2 do you? Dec 21 20:48:35 I cannot mount it for some reason Dec 21 20:48:57 is that / or /home? Dec 21 20:49:18 oops Dec 21 20:49:22 it is /home Dec 21 20:49:30 I just want the storage space back Dec 21 20:49:37 (I do not need to recover any files from there) Dec 21 20:49:43 the easiest way is to dd an empty jffs2 file to it Dec 21 20:49:58 how do I make an empty jffs2 file? Dec 21 20:50:00 or some other jffs2 file for yoyr model Dec 21 20:50:47 s/yoyr/your/ Dec 21 20:51:17 like bootstrap-image Dec 21 20:52:15 but doesn't it need to be exactly the right size? Dec 21 20:52:36 not afaik Dec 21 20:57:10 koen, you rock (on the dbus thing ...) Dec 21 20:57:36 yay Dec 21 20:57:42 and on the mtdblock thing too ! Dec 21 21:09:01 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r560dcd6c... 10/ (1 packages/tslib/tslib_cvs.bb packages/tslib/tslib_1.0.bb): tslib: switch to 1.0 taken from .dev, adapted for .oz354x - build from .oz354x not tested on devices. Dec 21 21:09:08 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r850dbef2... 10/ (1 packages/apr/apr_1.2.7.bb): apr 1.2.7: stage all Dec 21 21:36:33 koen: honestly, UPnP and "something working" contradicts itself Dec 21 21:36:58 unless you talk about "twonkeyvision as server on one device, twonkeyvision as controller on another, twonkeyvision as renderer on third device" Dec 21 21:37:25 right Dec 21 21:37:38 I personally dislike upnp Dec 21 21:37:53 but it seems to gain traction Dec 21 21:40:38 personally i preferred dns-sd / rendezvous to upnp for device/service discovery Dec 21 21:40:54 but oh well, it didnt gain in popularity as much Dec 21 21:41:21 right Dec 21 21:42:23 I want something that plays well with mythtv Dec 21 21:43:06 * koen gets angry with the subversion autofoo Dec 21 21:55:45 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r52e70056... 10/ (1 packages/apr/apr-util_1.2.7.bb): apr-util: stage everything Dec 21 22:03:00 Hello Dec 21 22:03:12 I made a working (!) bb file for ayttm Dec 21 22:03:28 It's a gtk 1.2 multi-protocol IM Dec 21 22:03:43 For the speed-consious Dec 21 22:03:45 attach it to the bugtracker :) Dec 21 22:03:51 Ok, sure Dec 21 22:04:18 One note, MSN is bugged lately, so it's disabled Dec 21 22:04:36 If it works, I'll look into implementing it once again Dec 21 22:05:54 I'm putting the "ayttm" folder in a tar.gz file Dec 21 22:07:03 hmmm Dec 21 22:07:20 a 'mtn diff' would be better Dec 21 22:07:26 something that doesn't require me to leave my browser Dec 21 22:08:20 Ok... Dec 21 22:08:20 * XorA|gone goes off to sleep Dec 21 22:08:22 It's a .bb file, and a patch Dec 21 22:08:38 That goes in its folder or whatever Dec 21 22:09:45 hey mickeyl Dec 21 22:10:03 heyya Dec 21 22:10:03 * koen completes the self-hosting part of OE Dec 21 22:10:16 * koen stabs subversion Dec 21 22:10:40 is Paul S. on IRC? Dec 21 22:10:51 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r375e23fc... 10/ (1 packages/subversion/subversion_1.4.0.bb): subversion 1.4.0: it builds now Dec 21 22:10:52 psokolovsky seems to be present Dec 21 22:11:00 psokolovsky: heya. Dec 21 22:11:11 mickeyl, Hi! Dec 21 22:11:11 psokolovsky: can you send me an e-mail containing your familiar.conf, please? Dec 21 22:11:21 i like to have a look Dec 21 22:12:08 the one with the trademark threats? Dec 21 22:12:12 * koen coughs Dec 21 22:12:17 mickeyl, what exactly familiar.conf? from what tree? Dec 21 22:12:35 psokolovsky: the one that generates packages which work against familiar Linux. Dec 21 22:12:42 s/against/on/ Dec 21 22:13:11 mickeyl: we removed obsolete versions of dbus and bluez, it wouldn't work anyway in .dev Dec 21 22:13:33 mickeyl, i.e. that one which we discussed some time ago - a conf for OE.dev, but which generates fam0.8.4-compatible packages? Dec 21 22:13:41 yes, that one Dec 21 22:17:17 koen: What about my bugs. They arent commited yet. Why is that. If it is still something wrong, then tell me what it is. There is no point of having a non working machine file, right? It is bug #1689 and #1692 Dec 21 22:18:41 goxboxlive: I'm still not convinced the machine file is as bare-bones as possible Dec 21 22:20:28 mickeyl, sent Dec 21 22:21:48 thanks psokolovsky Dec 21 22:25:38 koen:Well, koen, it is so barebone as it could be, otherwise importent modules are missing. Dec 21 22:26:08 goxboxlive: you said that before with fuse and smbfs still being in Dec 21 22:26:57 Well, thoose i forgot actually. Dec 21 22:27:13 But nevermind, what about the xtscal patch? Dec 21 22:27:28 that's something for florian_kc or pb_ Dec 21 22:27:58 i c Dec 21 22:34:01 NOTE: Applying patch 'gnome-bug-341177.patch' Dec 21 22:34:01 NOTE: package gtk+-2.10.6-r8: task do_patch: completed Dec 21 22:34:05 * koen taps foot Dec 21 22:55:33 Can anyone tell me how to check that USB host mode is activated in OZ? (3.5.4.1) Is it by checking for the presence of a module (this one?: ohci_hcd)? Dec 21 23:13:01 adamowitz: easily by connecting a client... like usb stick Dec 22 00:19:38 *yawn* Dec 22 00:20:49 mickeyl: i put some screenies of qtopia42/opieII up Dec 22 00:21:01 ya, seen them (see #opie) Dec 22 00:21:02 thanks Dec 22 00:27:06 ljp, can I see? Dec 22 00:28:43 http://opie.home.linuxtogo.org/screenies.html Dec 22 00:35:28 thanks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 22 02:59:57 2006