**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 22 02:59:57 2006 Dec 22 06:34:35 morning all Dec 22 06:34:41 sup Dec 22 08:21:43 Hello. I am trying to create a new custom distribution ( a thin client distribution for running on the clients, x86 HP boxes ). I have trying putting the additional packages in several places, but they just don't come in the distro. My file locations are completely like the example. /stuff/build/xorg/local.conf /stuff/org.openembbed.dev/conf/distro/emagandaclient.conf /stuff/"bla"/x86.conf Dec 22 08:24:17 morning Dec 22 08:24:58 Good morning Dec 22 08:25:52 I've tried bitbake -c rebuild task-bootstrap Dec 22 08:27:21 Besides this problem, OE seems some of the most simple ways to build a custom distribution for this purpose however. I have a running client... It is only the base image however, so not much joy. Dec 22 08:32:27 I see someone else asked this question on the mailing list Dec 22 08:32:39 I'll try that answer "DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS" in the distro configuration Dec 22 08:33:22 thegve: sounds like the way to go Dec 22 08:33:40 do I have to rebuild something Dec 22 08:33:43 what does this mean " don't come in the distro" ? Dec 22 08:33:50 they don't get included Dec 22 08:33:59 I've told to add xorg-xserver Dec 22 08:34:02 but it is not in Dec 22 08:34:13 what's the error message? Dec 22 08:34:31 thegve: if you want xorg you probably need to look more at gpe-image and base something on that Dec 22 08:34:59 thegve: as xorg without otherstuff that it doesnt technically depend on is kinda useless Dec 22 08:35:32 I want to include the nomachine client. It is a thin client distro. So I need Xorg, and I run the thin client software (nomachine) as a window manager Dec 22 08:35:47 I'll look at gpe-image Dec 22 08:36:31 thegve: are you basing on angstrom? Dec 22 08:37:08 no, on "generic" Dec 22 08:38:21 good morning all Dec 22 08:40:24 hey koen Dec 22 08:40:55 hey XorA Dec 22 08:51:58 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rd0c243b6... 10/ (9 files in 4 dirs): start removing task-bootstrap* as stated in removal.txt Dec 22 08:56:50 * XorA wishes gnome-term understood ctrl-a n/p Dec 22 09:00:08 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rfd22e946... 10/ (1 conf/local.conf.sample): local.conf.sample: update it a bit Dec 22 09:02:52 XorA: faster pr0n: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90621 Dec 22 09:07:36 koen: I was quite suprised, the 1.0rc1 version of mplayer, almost managed to play BSG at 30fps on collie Dec 22 09:08:18 cool Dec 22 09:08:18 but Dec 22 09:08:18 -ENOBSGLEFT Dec 22 09:08:23 koen : morning Dec 22 09:08:40 hey Ifaistos Dec 22 09:08:58 koen: heh heh, more in January Dec 22 09:09:56 * koen looks for new SG:Atlantis episodes Dec 22 09:10:20 I beleive canada is upto 3x18 Dec 22 09:10:42 but Im gonna watch them at decent quality on SkyOne in Jan Dec 22 09:10:55 koen : i was thinking that we would probably need to change a bit the machine info for the powerpc based boards so we don't end up in the configs (for uclibc for example) with a large number of board specific configs Dec 22 09:11:22 koen: now that task-bootstrap is gone, what's the preferred way to build an angstrom target. We're currently using angstrom-bootstrap-image in nslu2-linux master makefile, but that's obviously deprecated now. Dec 22 09:11:51 rwhitby: obviously? Dec 22 09:12:06 koen : So add machines like amcc405, amcc440, Dec 22 09:12:45 koen: well, angstrom-bootstrap-image seems to depend on task-bootstrap.inc Dec 22 09:12:50 koen : or mpc5200 Dec 22 09:13:39 rwhitby: are you sure? Dec 22 09:13:41 hmm - maybe a cache clean will fix it Dec 22 09:14:03 * XorA is glad he is in nice sunny scotland looking at the heathrow chaos Dec 22 09:14:09 Ifaistos: uclibc is essentially machine specific, but with those generic 'boards' it could be made a bit more generic Dec 22 09:14:36 koen: yeah, sorry - looks like a caching red herring Dec 22 09:15:59 rwhitby: :) Dec 22 09:16:20 rwhitby: the answer to your question is: task-base Dec 22 09:17:16 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r5ea326f3... 10/ (1 conf/machine/h3900.conf): Dec 22 09:17:16 h3900: 2.6 port reached usable state (suspend/resume, buttons, TS, SD/MMC), Dec 22 09:17:16 switch to it. Dec 22 09:17:43 koen : exactly Dec 22 09:18:34 koen : get a 'per cpu' type config and then if a "machine" specific should be defined for a reason do it Dec 22 09:23:52 * rwhitby clears the caches on the autobuilders too Dec 22 09:33:39 morning all Dec 22 09:34:03 hey! Dec 22 09:34:25 RP: do you think bitbake 1.7 is stable enough for a release? Dec 22 09:34:44 zecke: A 1.7.x release? Dec 22 09:34:49 1.8? Dec 22 09:34:51 ;) Dec 22 09:34:56 hey RP Dec 22 09:35:06 a 1.7.x would be nice Dec 22 09:35:13 1.8 would require a gui, no? Dec 22 09:35:14 zecke: I know of several nasty bugs :-/ Dec 22 09:35:29 ah okay :) Dec 22 09:35:35 zecke: -f doesn't work properly for a start... Dec 22 09:35:37 well then fix them (today) :) Dec 22 09:35:58 zecke: I'm thinking of tackling the GUI over Xmas... Dec 22 09:36:07 ah okay, I should hand you a hand over christmas Dec 22 09:36:17 I would like to make a stable release before breaking bitbake too much again Dec 22 09:36:22 Also, I think the GUI will probably be bitbake 2.x Dec 22 09:36:23 RP: would mallum pay for a clutter based frontend? Dec 22 09:36:46 clutter based recipe browser Dec 22 09:37:23 koen: I'm not sure why you'd want to write it in clutter. I'm sure he'd be impressed though :) Dec 22 09:38:11 zecke: If the GUI is going to be 2.0, we could release and then switch to 1.9, then the numbers follow logically Dec 22 09:39:13 RP: I would like to stabilize bitbake1.7 over xmas and do 1.8.0 in january :) Dec 22 09:39:18 wow I'm lame and conversative Dec 22 09:39:32 zecke: too much bitterballen? Dec 22 09:40:35 zecke: would you do that in a branch so I could start 1,9 with GUI support? Dec 22 09:40:55 zecke: I'm just concious that xmas is about the only time I will have to look at the GUI :-/ Dec 22 09:40:57 RP: would you mind helping to stabilize? Dec 22 09:41:10 zecke: No, I'm happy to help with that Dec 22 09:41:11 hmmm Dec 22 09:41:18 my workstation is 1390 revs behind Dec 22 09:41:22 * koen gets some coffee Dec 22 09:41:30 RP: I'm doing all the fun stuff at work, so I can do the sucky stuff in public :) Dec 22 09:41:38 RP: you should try that as well Dec 22 09:42:00 RP: okay, I will copy trunk to 1.7, and it would be nice to have a list of known bugs Dec 22 09:43:00 zecke: I'm trying to think of the bugs. I know there are some, I just can't think what they are :-/. -f malfunctioning and certain 'error' messages only being visible with -D are the two I can think off offhand Dec 22 09:43:41 RP: any pending fixes for trunk, or can I copy any time I want? Dec 22 09:43:48 zecke: Being able to specific a specific depends for a specific task is another (do_patch depends on quilt-native) Dec 22 09:44:15 zecke: I'd just copy. I have nothing major pending Dec 22 10:34:05 did anyone look at the atheos sdio stuff? Dec 22 10:34:06 nope Dec 22 10:34:22 http://source.mvista.com/~dsingleton/sdio/2.6.18/ Dec 22 10:34:48 I saw that mvista were open sourcing an sdio stack... Dec 22 10:35:12 a driver that has "OS independant parts" in the header scares me... Dec 22 10:35:29 A_UINT8, A_RESULT FooMethodBla()... :} Dec 22 10:35:36 but it looks fairly complete Dec 22 10:38:42 morning Dec 22 10:39:04 zecke: I have th "go" to buy that server... so end of jan You can use that buildmachine... Dec 22 10:41:05 zecke: the OE server will arrive on my doorstep 20070102 Dec 22 10:45:56 koen: you cant run the whole of OE on a couple of NBP :-) Dec 22 10:46:01 servers, I see servers? Dec 22 10:46:18 * zecke decides to go to bed again, stupid cold... Dec 22 10:46:23 I hope you need so much.... Dec 22 10:49:08 hey mickeyl Dec 22 10:49:15 morning folks Dec 22 10:49:57 zecke : Got a minute to look at my tailor config file ? -> http://pastebin.ca/288527 Dec 22 10:50:33 zecke : i am getting an error when its trying to do initial checkout from the OE database Dec 22 10:51:13 zecke : This is the error -> http://pastebin.ca/288529 Dec 22 10:52:10 Ifaistos: do not try to checkout to '.' Dec 22 10:52:24 Ifaistos: paste the error :) Dec 22 10:52:59 Ifaistos: nice pass-phrase Dec 22 10:53:00 :) Dec 22 10:53:23 * Ifaistos hits his head to the desk for beeing stupid Dec 22 10:53:57 hehe Dec 22 10:54:01 you can change it :) Dec 22 10:54:16 but does it make any difference ? they don't have the key Dec 22 10:54:24 yet Dec 22 10:54:55 * Ifaistos makes sure to post the key with the next pastebin... so people will have all it takes Dec 22 10:55:43 Ifaistos: oh yeah, like koen already said Dec 22 10:56:02 subdir = svn_tmp_wc Dec 22 10:59:40 koen: time to start that key backup service :-) Dec 22 11:00:47 sorry about that :( Dec 22 11:00:58 http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2006/10637.html <- lol, a good reason to learn german Dec 22 11:01:30 still getting the same error Dec 22 11:01:48 bloody hell, get this on the zaurus https://phoneme.dev.java.net/downloads_page.html Dec 22 11:01:55 Ifaistos: then set a dir for mtn as well Dec 22 11:04:49 yep. it seems that it needs both subdirs to be set to different places Dec 22 11:05:13 XorA: OE will need to write its own .mk file for phoneme Dec 22 11:05:25 XorA: the include mk files are *BROKEN* Dec 22 11:06:06 zecke : Is it better to use INITIAL or HEAD for the first checkout ? Dec 22 11:06:17 dunno Dec 22 11:06:32 i think i always used INITIAL... Dec 22 11:06:34 opera mini can come to opie :-) Dec 22 11:09:15 XorA: why only Opie? Dec 22 11:09:47 zecke: gpe has a range of browsers :-) Dec 22 11:10:08 zecke: and ex sharp rom users always demand opera on opie Dec 22 11:12:20 zecke: http://rafb.net/p/2FN2BT63.html Dec 22 11:13:10 zecke: is my interpretation "missing site file for OSX/intel" correct? Dec 22 11:14:29 koen: the site-conf code should handle it more properly Dec 22 11:14:40 koen: but yes I agree with your interpretation Dec 22 11:14:53 Firewire disk van Koen Dec 22 11:15:03 yep Dec 22 11:15:06 dbus, gnome will fail badly to compile on this disk :) Dec 22 11:15:14 it used to have ' in the path Dec 22 11:15:20 which made bitbake fail badly Dec 22 11:15:30 bad path escaping design pattern Dec 22 11:15:56 see the todo list of bitbake. Fix os.system invocation to be not exploitable Dec 22 11:28:25 morning mickeyl Dec 22 11:28:57 hi RP Dec 22 11:29:51 lol, Qtopia Open Source Edition doesn't include the batteryapplet, same is true for brightness, battery, today, styles, email, imagecodecs... Dec 22 11:31:40 heh Dec 22 11:31:49 '1951.13x speedup' Dec 22 11:32:10 speed up of what ? Dec 22 11:32:25 Qtopia Dec 22 11:32:26 cat something >/dev/null ? Dec 22 11:32:31 ade|desk: cairo-perf-diff-files between the results of my workstation and ipaq Dec 22 11:32:38 heh Dec 22 11:34:34 ade|desk: http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/perfdiff.txt Dec 22 11:36:21 heh spot the fake scot heading to the drinking hole Dec 22 11:41:41 XorA|pub: wow, midp has a directFB port as well Dec 22 11:59:15 is anyone working on that https://phoneme.dev.java.net/ Dec 22 11:59:18 koen: phoneME has EABI support Dec 22 11:59:49 koen: /export/arm/linux2.6.12/bin/gcc/2005Q1B/arm-none-linux-gnueabi is used to compile :) Dec 22 12:22:26 lo crofton Dec 22 12:22:50 gm Dec 22 12:22:54 now i have an adaptater usb/compactflash Dec 22 12:23:11 hrw, linux-omap1-2.6.19 is tagged and a patch is available Dec 22 12:23:31 what i transfer in the compact Dec 22 12:23:35 ? Dec 22 12:23:45 well Dec 22 12:23:55 given that I know nothing about your hw Dec 22 12:24:04 and how you mount the cf as root Dec 22 12:24:12 ok Dec 22 12:24:22 the only thing I know to suggest is format the cd with ext2 Dec 22 12:24:29 okey Dec 22 12:24:32 and untar the file system image on it Dec 22 12:24:39 but I am not sure how this would boot Dec 22 12:24:50 is there a kernel in some other flash Dec 22 12:25:13 I haven't actually botted a single board computer from oe output Dec 22 12:25:40 are there any application notes on this avilable from the manufacturer Dec 22 12:26:31 okey Dec 22 12:27:29 but yesterday i restart the bitbake angstrom... because i had a image in ext.2 Dec 22 12:27:31 now i have a imgage in jffs2 Dec 22 12:27:43 well, you should have both Dec 22 12:28:06 you can make more than one image type in one build Dec 22 12:28:17 but serioously, it sounds like you have some research to do Dec 22 12:28:44 okey Dec 22 12:28:48 I suspect things will be real slow in here until after New Years also Dec 22 12:28:53 lots of people travelling etc Dec 22 12:29:14 yeah and we are in holliday in 4 hours Dec 22 12:29:17 We can helpyou produce images Dec 22 12:29:17 so Dec 22 12:29:37 but at some point, you will cross into work that not many people are familiar with Dec 22 12:29:53 If you had an OMAP Starter Kit, I could easily help you Dec 22 12:29:55 :) Dec 22 12:30:13 okey Dec 22 12:30:29 we will try some things Dec 22 12:30:41 And maybe I will be more help after I go through the simiilar process on my EFIKA card Dec 22 12:30:52 but today I am not much help :( Dec 22 12:32:08 we finish the project at the end of the second xeek of january Dec 22 12:32:32 yikes Dec 22 12:32:56 I would shoot the guy that scheduled something like that :) Dec 22 12:34:17 I'm sure if you can work out how to get the hw booting, someone might be around who can help you add X Dec 22 12:35:26 how add package to the image Dec 22 12:35:29 ? Dec 22 12:37:15 disaster: read the manual? read hrw's blog? Dec 22 12:37:55 sure but where can i read that Dec 22 12:38:29 where would you expect to find openembedded documentation? Dec 22 12:39:27 e.g hrw's website is available to the public at http://www.hrw.one.pl/ Dec 22 12:39:54 thk you Dec 22 12:39:56 e.g. if you type bitbake foo-image to create your image Dec 22 12:40:21 then find /dir -name '*foo-image*' and open the text files and take a look Dec 22 12:42:04 okey Dec 22 12:42:17 In a nutshell: what is the problem with familiar and opie? Where can I read about it? Dec 22 12:42:30 Laibsc1: no problem at all Dec 22 12:43:00 I read about a fork. And forks usually are a sign of problems. Dec 22 12:43:12 * Laibsch points to removal.txt Dec 22 12:43:20 Laibsch: familiar is not a opie fork :) Dec 22 12:43:55 Laibsch: familiar forked off OE many month ago Dec 22 12:44:06 Sorry, I meant "what is the problem with familiar and OE" ;-) Dec 22 12:46:27 I' Dec 22 12:46:32 m afraid you really don't want to know Dec 22 12:46:45 the story is a sad one involving lots of personal issues Dec 22 12:47:10 please just accept the fact that there is a fork and some people are trying to push stuff back from familiar to OE Dec 22 13:00:34 crofton: if i write "DISRTO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS= 'ex:vlc' " in local.conf to add sopme packages in the image Dec 22 13:01:01 yes Dec 22 13:01:30 crofton: it will add this package Dec 22 13:01:51 it should Dec 22 13:01:51 try it Dec 22 13:01:51 okey Dec 22 13:02:02 so see you after thx Dec 22 13:02:02 but I would recommned figuring out how to use your image first :) Dec 22 13:02:24 'ex:vlc' is not a package name, right? Dec 22 13:02:42 example: vlc I think is wht he mant ... Dec 22 13:02:45 "vlc" sorry Dec 22 13:02:55 it was example Dec 22 13:03:23 hi, just some minutes ago I tried to send a small patch to devel openembedded-devel@openembedded.org, but the attachment did not arrive *gr* Dec 22 13:04:39 gilbert_: haha, you use a nick of another OE contributor or I'm confused Dec 22 13:04:59 yeah I'm confused. We have ggilbert and gilbert Dec 22 13:05:13 gilbert_: seems our mailman config swallows the attachment Dec 22 13:05:46 so just send diff in plaintext mail, or is there another way... Dec 22 13:06:27 gilbert_: either plain text, gziped, or upload it to a website Dec 22 13:07:52 ok, thx - will upload the file and then post again ;) Dec 22 13:29:45 morning Dec 22 13:30:58 ggilbert: I relaxed the attachment filter a bit, since we're subscriber only anyway Dec 22 13:40:45 hi Dec 22 13:45:59 FOSDEM is Feb 24-25 right? Dec 22 13:49:14 Crofton: yes Dec 22 13:49:19 crap Dec 22 13:49:25 delta up $100 today Dec 22 13:49:31 grrrr Dec 22 13:50:12 delta fares swing from 450 to 550 every other day, insane Dec 22 13:50:25 over to travelocity Dec 22 13:53:45 hi all Dec 22 13:53:56 morning Dec 22 14:00:25 would ulibc support NPTL? Dec 22 14:04:31 VoodooZ : I think the 0.9.28/0.9.28 svn does Dec 22 14:04:40 VoodooZ: depends on your architecture Dec 22 14:04:44 re Dec 22 14:04:54 VoodooZ: iirc powerpc and arm are scheduled for .30 Dec 22 14:05:32 i have found an siteweb to add package but i seems not run Dec 22 14:05:34 http://bec-systems.com/web/content/view/59/9/ Dec 22 14:05:59 to start the system, i must add an bootloader in package ? Dec 22 14:06:25 i have added this line in local.conf Dec 22 14:06:32 DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS = "grub" Dec 22 14:06:44 and run bitbake task-base -crebuild Dec 22 14:06:56 but grub is not present ? Dec 22 14:07:00 ~spell infaliable Dec 22 14:07:04 not add Dec 22 14:07:04 possible spellings for infaliable: infallible invaluable infallibly inflatable invaluably unavailable invariable inflammable Dec 22 14:09:30 huhu Dec 22 14:12:00 hi Jin^eLD Dec 22 14:12:05 hi Dec 22 14:13:41 ?? Dec 22 14:17:45 Thanks guys. I'm using the slug (armv5t xscale I think) Dec 22 14:18:22 getting glibc 2.5 in slugos is apparently not going to happen for a while so I'm looking for an alternative. Dec 22 14:18:40 Although I might be asking for more trouble that way. Dec 22 14:44:08 do we have a podcast client in OE? Dec 22 14:48:52 to add bootloader in my compact flash, i must it manually or to add the bootloader package in my image Dec 22 14:49:31 Laibsch: wtf is haskell? Dec 22 14:49:43 disaster, I'm not certain how that works Dec 22 14:50:11 Haskell is a general purpose, purely functional programming language. Dec 22 14:50:24 www.haskell.org Dec 22 14:50:24 like ML Dec 22 14:52:10 Crofton you are certainly an small idea to do it ? Dec 22 14:52:16 :) please Dec 22 14:53:17 I suspect both approaches might work Dec 22 14:53:29 I am not reall good at grub, on my desktops it just works Dec 22 14:53:37 so I have never fiddled with it Dec 22 14:53:58 theOSK boots the kernel from a special partitionin flash Dec 22 14:54:25 kk Dec 22 14:55:31 it' possible maybe with GAG Dec 22 14:56:56 GAG? Dec 22 14:57:43 Crofton, GAG is an tools to add an bootloader Dec 22 14:58:19 ah Dec 22 14:58:23 disaster : Adding the grub package will not add a bootloader to your image, it will simply add grub to the image Dec 22 14:58:58 Ifaistos, how i do its ? Dec 22 14:59:10 with GAG for example ? Dec 22 14:59:31 disaster : The only thing that adds a bootloader is syslinux.bbclass which as the name says, creates a syslinux bootable image Dec 22 14:59:42 disaster, i am looking at something similar. i found that the openprotium.bb does a bunch of postprocessing of the image using storcenter_pack_image(). i imagine one would put the losetup + grub install cmds there Dec 22 14:59:56 disaster : you need to inherit it in your local.conf Dec 22 15:00:24 disaster : i am working on a grub.bbclass but still has a very long way before its finished Dec 22 15:01:40 Laibsch: haskel can't be crosscompiled Dec 22 15:02:05 (haskel itself and haskel 'code') Dec 22 15:12:42 i don't understand all, if i good understand , i must add the syslinux.bb package in my image to permit to start the system ? Dec 22 15:17:25 ?? Dec 22 15:17:39 ??? Dec 22 15:17:47 disaster : not the syslinux.bb you need to add INHERIT =+ syslinux to your local.conf Dec 22 15:19:14 * Ifaistos wonders why there are so many SCM's... Dec 22 15:20:39 Ifaistos: NIH Dec 22 15:24:27 i have add this line INHERIT = "syslinux Dec 22 15:24:54 i must restart the command bitbake angstrom-bootstrap-image ? Dec 22 15:25:06 or an other command ? Dec 22 15:26:28 INHERIT =+ "syslinux" Dec 22 15:27:42 disaster : yes Dec 22 15:27:48 kk Dec 22 15:27:51 i test now Dec 22 15:28:07 it's the just INHERIT in my local.conf Dec 22 15:28:12 it's normally ? Dec 22 15:30:39 koen : angstrom fails to build for efika on amd64 -> http://pastebin.ca/288756 Dec 22 15:31:09 it's using the wrong glibc Dec 22 15:31:36 angstrom doens't support glibc <2.5 Dec 22 15:32:48 Ifaistos, it's normally ? Dec 22 15:33:00 koen : strange... this is my local.conf -> http://pastebin.ca/288758 Dec 22 15:34:08 disaster : what do you mean by "normaly" ? Sorry but English is not my native language and i have a hard time to understand you Dec 22 15:35:39 lol, english is not also my native language Dec 22 15:35:50 what is your native language ? Dec 22 15:36:20 disaster : Greek Dec 22 15:36:54 ha kk Dec 22 15:37:03 french for me Dec 22 15:39:53 disaster : FYI. OE has a VERY steep learning curve, and because it supports so many different targets and build systems it can take sometime before you can master it Dec 22 15:47:37 when I build a kernel, do the kernel headers automatically get installed in the staging dir? Dec 22 15:48:25 you know where i found a complete tutorial Dec 22 15:49:56 Ifaistos with this line INHERIT =+ "syslinux", when my image are finished to buidl Dec 22 15:50:25 i just untar in my compact flash and run my pc embedded Dec 22 15:50:35 and the system start automaticely ? Dec 22 15:51:22 disaster, you need to try some things and see what happens Dec 22 15:51:43 its far more complex then that Dec 22 15:52:05 or you need to find someone who had actually done this b4 Dec 22 15:52:33 kk Dec 22 15:52:59 you know where i found a good tutorial for help me ? Dec 22 15:53:20 because the tutorial in www.openembedded seems dificult to understand it Dec 22 15:54:04 OE is more of a build system for a wide variety of hardware Dec 22 15:54:22 disaster: take a look at this, it helped me http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted Dec 22 15:54:34 how to load the output of OE onto the hardware is beyond the scope of OE Dec 22 15:55:03 yes but to add the package, run with bootloader is not developp Dec 22 15:55:14 Jin^eLD, disaster has made images, his problem is what to do next Dec 22 15:55:22 how to load onto hw Dec 22 15:55:34 l8r Dec 22 15:55:52 oh, ok Dec 22 15:55:53 disaster : Have a look at this. http://owmnr.digital-opsis.com/project/wiki/OWMNRInstall Dec 22 15:56:25 disaster : its an OE based distro that works also with x86. Dec 22 16:00:52 koen: I see. Do we have another podclient? I like hpodder because it is non-GUI Dec 22 16:01:22 Ifaistos, thx for this link Dec 22 16:10:22 i must go now Dec 22 16:10:27 thx for your help Dec 22 16:10:37 at the next time Dec 22 16:12:11 Ifaistos, thanks for that link Dec 22 16:16:14 disaster : Crofton_ : Just a note the code in the distro is based on the 'old' OE codebase (before task-base) Dec 22 16:16:46 :) Dec 22 16:17:03 disaster needs the info on how to make it bootable I think Dec 22 16:17:50 what hardware was he working on? Dec 22 16:20:15 some epia machine Dec 22 16:20:22 he posted a link the other day Dec 22 16:20:27 but I forget the detail Dec 22 16:20:33 aha.. Dec 22 16:20:40 well, I'm not familiar with epia anyway.. Dec 22 16:38:00 hi, i've just pulled the oe repo and found a notice in removal.txt that familiar has forked. is it true? do they now have their own build system? Dec 22 16:46:30 bother Dec 22 16:47:02 I just pulled and bitabke barfs complaing no such file task-bootstrap.inc Dec 22 16:47:13 you have to delete the cache Dec 22 16:47:20 ah Dec 22 16:47:24 all of it? Dec 22 16:47:53 ok Dec 22 16:48:04 it's the simplest solution Dec 22 16:48:14 there is only one file in it :) Dec 22 16:48:28 all: what about the fork please? Dec 22 16:48:50 hmm task-pivotboot uses task-bootstrap.inc Dec 22 16:49:03 mickey was saying it was a said story Dec 22 16:49:25 er sad story Dec 22 16:49:30 koen, you there? Dec 22 16:50:00 I am now Dec 22 16:50:30 task-pivotboot apparently looks for task-bootstrap.inc Dec 22 16:50:57 Crofton|laptop: what was a sad story? Dec 22 16:51:03 th fork Dec 22 16:51:15 can you tell me more please? Dec 22 16:51:28 I do not know the stroy Dec 22 16:55:30 can I make a special directory for one time or experimental bb files? Dec 22 16:55:38 and include it via bbpath? Dec 22 16:55:48 Crofton: see BBCOLLECTIONS Dec 22 16:55:58 in local.conf? Dec 22 16:56:14 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rc7ad59a7... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-pivotboot.bb): task-pivotboot: drop it as part of task-booststrap removal Dec 22 16:56:15 yes Dec 22 16:56:24 Crofton_: see the sample in http://www.openembedded.org/user-manual&dpage=ch04s03 Dec 22 16:56:28 what about BBFILES Dec 22 16:56:39 yeah, my local.conf is like 18 months old I think Dec 22 16:57:00 doh Dec 22 16:59:49 so files with the same name come from local? Dec 22 17:00:37 yes Dec 22 17:08:16 hmmm Dec 22 17:08:21 you could keep your own collection in your prefered scm even .... Dec 22 17:09:16 Crofton|laptop: thats pretty common. at ti i maintained a local bbfile repo for our distro, then still made the vast oe package repo available to the builds via collections. works well Dec 22 17:09:24 mornings suck Dec 22 17:09:31 ~mornings Dec 22 17:09:33 Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) Dec 22 17:18:14 03cbrake 07org.oe.dev * r44a7442c... 10/ (1 packages/xorg-app/mkfontscale-native_X11R7.0-1.0.1.bb): mkfontscale-native X11R7.0-1.0.1: add freetype-native to DEPENDS Dec 22 17:21:03 hmmm Dec 22 17:21:47 can I soft link my local collection directory so I can switch between local bb files as required? Dec 22 17:22:22 sure Dec 22 17:22:46 I just recollect a warning against soft linking :) Dec 22 17:23:27 for TMPDIR Dec 22 17:23:33 binutils has a bogus check Dec 22 17:24:30 koen,k Dec 22 17:24:45 also that's probably terribly delayed Dec 22 17:27:22 koen : Any idea why efika would select glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627 instead of 2.5 ? Dec 22 17:27:40 Ifaistos: no idea Dec 22 17:28:16 koen : its very strange i removed all 'extra' settings from local.conf but still does the same Dec 22 17:30:49 Ifaistos: I had such a problem when creating my distro, that no matter what I did 2.5 was selected Dec 22 17:31:04 I think I had to remove the _intermediate setting Dec 22 17:31:08 and then it took what I wanted Dec 22 17:32:10 koen : Have a look at this -> http://pastebin.ca/288884 Dec 22 17:32:32 koen : doing a bitbake glibc -c clean, clears 2.5 Dec 22 17:32:41 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r025c5394... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom: add provider for powerpc stuff Dec 22 17:33:19 koen : but trying to build angstrom-bootstarp-image bitbake complains its not availiable... Dec 22 17:34:54 Ifaistos: mtn pull ; mtn up Dec 22 17:35:46 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0e47f1ec... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom: really add powerpc providers Dec 22 17:38:15 :) Dec 22 17:45:56 koen, yeah! Dec 22 18:02:03 hi all Dec 22 18:10:23 koen|away: access released some code Dec 22 18:10:37 zecke: url? Dec 22 18:10:49 http://www.access-company.com/about/opensource/download.html Dec 22 18:11:01 sadly they don't use dbus (yet). But what they did can be easily mapped to dbus Dec 22 18:11:15 ehm Dec 22 18:11:18 sqlfs Dec 22 18:11:20 * koen wonders Dec 22 18:11:26 * ggilbert wonders if anything will ever come of Access's stuff Dec 22 18:11:28 didn't look at that one Dec 22 18:11:42 or if it will be another cobalt Dec 22 18:11:52 ggilbert: probably another cobalt Dec 22 18:12:24 sexy website Dec 22 18:12:50 at least their FAQ answers more questions than trolltech ever did Dec 22 18:12:55 zecke: hiker requires dbus Dec 22 18:13:06 oh they use dbus :) Dec 22 18:13:17 this is why their stuff maps so easily to dbus ;) Dec 22 18:13:26 "==Requirement==You need these libraries, with their development header files,installed on your system:glib 2.8 or latersqlite 3.3.Xgnet 2.0dbus 1.0" Dec 22 18:13:30 * koen stabs appleterm Dec 22 18:13:38 Is phoneME in openbedded? Dec 22 18:13:46 darmou: see the mailinglist Dec 22 18:13:52 thanks Dec 22 18:14:43 need to implement a gtk backend for midp Dec 22 18:14:47 http://access.hodesiq.com/job_detail.asp?JobID=782142&user_id= Dec 22 18:18:45 I think my best hope is going to be for something good to come out of the openmoko thingy Dec 22 18:21:51 yes, it is the most promising ATM Dec 22 18:22:39 * koen mentions openalchemy Dec 22 18:23:03 http://openalchemy.org/index.php/Main_Page Dec 22 18:24:38 I'm looking at the openembedded devel archives and I can't see anything about Java, J2ME or PhoneME Dec 22 18:25:21 my svn fecther is trying to fetch on older rev from the repo ... Dec 22 18:25:30 darmou: look harder Dec 22 18:26:07 grrr SRCDATE issue Dec 22 18:27:20 hey koen Dec 22 18:28:42 SRCDATE and SRC_URI Dec 22 18:28:53 no wonder I entered SRCDATE as SRC_DATE Dec 22 18:29:05 hehe Dec 22 18:29:13 darmou: summary of koen Dec 22 18:29:34 darmou: summary of koen's mail: You need java standard edition installed as kaffe doesn't work and you are free to make it work Dec 22 18:29:49 http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/java/ Dec 22 18:30:08 darmou: Don't ask what OE/Foo/Linux/FreeSoftware can do for you, ask what you can do to help :) Dec 22 18:30:25 hey anushsh Dec 22 18:31:08 koen: how would we decide to build vfp/fpa and soft/hard? Dec 22 18:31:54 zecke: make OE write it's own .mk and .cfg files Dec 22 18:32:04 zecke: that's what I did 2 years ago for cvm Dec 22 18:32:20 koen: can we kick p.lgt.org to reindex me again? I switched to the new blogger.com software... Dec 22 18:32:28 koen: can you release it? Dec 22 18:32:43 zecke: no, I can't release it Dec 22 18:32:49 and I refuse to Dec 22 18:32:49 :( Dec 22 18:32:58 actually I'm asking about phoneMe for precisely that reason, I'm interested in helping to port phoneMe I'm glad Koen has made a good start on it zecke. Dec 22 18:33:08 :) Dec 22 18:33:14 I wasn't even allowed to distribute the binaries, and spent too long fixing gcc 2.95 isms Dec 22 18:33:46 koen : how you doing. Dec 22 18:33:51 eek, I think I will put hack gtk+ backend on my xmas list :} Dec 22 18:33:53 anushsh: pretty good Dec 22 18:34:03 ah Dec 22 18:34:18 anushsh: and you? Dec 22 18:35:00 koen : university exams going on ! ,,, Will get over on 28th :) Dec 22 18:36:38 over here the holidays just started Dec 22 18:37:53 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rda3cdfb7... 10/ (1 packages/gnet/gnet_cvs.bb): gnet cvs: stage all Dec 22 18:40:02 koen : supercool :) Dec 22 18:40:20 koen: may I host you during 23c3? Dec 22 18:40:51 zecke: sadly not, the train tickets are too expensive :( Dec 22 18:41:08 would it be crazy flying from brussels to frankfurt to US, rather than direct flight from Brussels to US Dec 22 18:41:17 I can save 50 usd and leave later Dec 22 18:41:42 Crofton_: flying to frankfurt is never crazy Dec 22 18:41:48 e.g. mickeyl is doing that all the time Dec 22 18:49:30 talk about flying how come there are no cheap flights from Amsterdam to Germany? Dec 22 18:51:35 because amsterdam has no airport? Dec 22 18:51:50 (schiphol is pretty far from amsterdam) Dec 22 18:52:04 zecke: I have a present for you: Dec 22 18:52:13 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rac11f26f... 10/ (1 packages/alp packages/alp/hiker_0.9.bb): hiker: initial version of Access' hiker application framework Dec 22 18:53:40 hehe Dec 22 18:53:49 koen: what is sqlfs? Dec 22 18:54:15 zecke: no idea Dec 22 18:54:24 I hope it has 3d rotating logos Dec 22 18:54:44 news from Denver CO, liquor gives a friend of mine 10% discount for wlkaing there in twp feet of snow Dec 22 18:55:14 "The libsqlfs library implements a POSIX style file system on top of an Dec 22 18:55:14 SQLite database. It allows applications to have access to a full read/write Dec 22 18:55:14 file system in a single file, complete with its own file hierarchy and name Dec 22 18:55:15 space. This is useful for applications which needs structured storage, such Dec 22 18:55:15 as embedding documents within documents, or management of configuration Dec 22 18:55:15 data or preferences. Libsqlfs can be used as an shared library, or it can be Dec 22 18:55:17 built as a FUSE (Linux File System in User Space) module to allow a libsqlfs Dec 22 18:55:18 database to be accessed via OS level file system interfaces by normal Dec 22 18:55:20 applications. Dec 22 18:55:22 " Dec 22 18:55:44 wow that is nice :) Dec 22 18:55:56 you can make apps execute in chroot that this is preserved as one db file Dec 22 18:56:15 zecke: see hiker-0.9/libraries/global_settings/sqlfs/README Dec 22 18:57:13 "Today the ALP Global Settings component uses libsqlfs as the storage back-end." Dec 22 19:00:06 this sounds like one of the cooler apps Dec 22 19:00:32 indeed Dec 22 19:00:44 Crofton: heh - my liquor store guy dug me out of the snow Dec 22 19:01:14 CosmicPenguin: you must be a good customer Dec 22 19:01:27 I will be Dec 22 19:04:00 zecke : Any idea what "[C] Unable to get changes for "project"" means in tailor ? Dec 22 19:04:41 Ifaistos: you hit a german umlaute commit message? Dec 22 19:05:42 zecke : do you have a patch for that or should i send tailor for a crash course in German ? Dec 22 19:06:09 Ifaistos: I sadly asked koen to delete my home dir Dec 22 19:06:35 Ifaistos: but I had a hack. I had a list of mtn sha1 keys and used a different commit message Dec 22 19:07:40 zecke : This is what leads to this message -> http://pastebin.ca/288991 Dec 22 19:08:17 koen : That last commit did the trick for efika. glibc 2.5 gets compiled now Dec 22 19:11:39 Ifaistos: cool Dec 22 19:14:04 Ifaistos: just try again Dec 22 19:18:34 zecke : Do you think that maybe this is a problem because the svn rep needs a user name and pass in order to make a commit ? Dec 22 19:18:53 dunno :) Dec 22 19:18:59 zecke : although i have provided them in the svn section of the config Dec 22 19:19:10 is that the first version? Dec 22 19:19:30 morning likewise :) Dec 22 19:19:42 hey likewise Dec 22 19:19:44 * NAiL notes that he was looking for likewise 20 seconds ago Dec 22 19:19:44 NAiL: morning there :-) Dec 22 19:19:58 hey koen, good evening :-) Dec 22 19:20:11 NAiL: yeah, booting the computer took 20 seconds too long Dec 22 19:20:16 hehe ;) Dec 22 19:20:35 I knew I should have asked for a Apple... Dec 22 19:20:40 likewise: Is there anything not working on the epia linuxbios? Dec 22 19:21:01 * NAiL got his htpc case set up with an epia board and mythtv Dec 22 19:21:05 looks rather nice Dec 22 19:21:18 and a h/w codec? Dec 22 19:21:38 Just need to address a couple of issues... The remote doesn't work yet, and booting takes way too long ;) Dec 22 19:21:55 NAiL: My epia booted directly into Ubuntu 5.10 from LinuxBIOS. Dec 22 19:21:59 I've got two hw encoders. Dunno if it accelerates decoding yet Dec 22 19:22:08 NAiL: and I couldn't find anything that didn't work Dec 22 19:22:15 cool Dec 22 19:22:21 I'll be flashing later today then :P Dec 22 19:22:45 the image you sent me is the only thing i need, right? Dec 22 19:24:57 NAiL: yes, and I used the tool that comes within the linuxbios build I gave you Dec 22 19:25:18 NAiL: to flash I mean Dec 22 19:25:45 ok Dec 22 19:25:56 I'll flash once I get the box on the network again Dec 22 19:26:26 zecke : run once more. stopped at the same point, same message :( Dec 22 19:26:36 no idea, sorry Dec 22 19:28:42 NAiL: and doublecheck /vmlinuz is there (maybe softlinks don't work, dunno, just to be sure copy a working kernel there) Dec 22 19:30:46 uh Dec 22 19:30:59 the kernel commandline in your bios tries to boot from hdc Dec 22 19:32:42 NAiL: uh oh... do you have a terminal connected to the serial port. You can probably break it. Dec 22 19:32:57 cdbot2: test Dec 22 19:33:03 NAiL: I remember setting a 1 second timeout Dec 22 19:42:09 zecke: it seems planetplanet doesn't like your atom.xml Dec 22 19:43:28 hmm Dec 22 19:45:08 zecke: but your atom.xml works in my newsreader Dec 22 19:48:00 NAiL: Sorry mate, should have checked with "strings linuxbios.rom"... Hope you get around to fixing it over the serial port. Dec 22 19:48:17 µ Dec 22 19:48:37 π Dec 22 19:49:11 hehe Dec 22 19:49:19 µE? Dec 22 19:50:50 nite Dec 22 19:53:49 They look greek to me :) Dec 22 19:54:46 tei kalistei Dec 22 19:57:00 meaning ? Dec 22 19:57:19 "for the fairest" Dec 22 19:57:26 at least in old-greek Dec 22 19:58:43 ok got it. "kalisti" means the fairest Dec 22 19:59:13 this is ancient greek Dec 22 19:59:25 yep Dec 22 19:59:47 that was written on the golden apple that eris threw into the party Dec 22 20:00:15 which started the trojan war Dec 22 20:00:52 this was the story....before the movie ;) Dec 22 20:01:07 now. nobody is sure ;) Dec 22 20:06:40 bugs.oe.org is slow again, is someone able to look into that? Dec 22 20:07:46 likewise: probably ggilbert Dec 22 20:08:09 really nothing I can do. It's a hardware issue :( Dec 22 20:08:29 I think it's timing related Dec 22 20:08:29 ggilbert: h/w? disk access timeouts? Dec 22 20:08:35 Not with the server Dec 22 20:08:44 but with the internet connection Dec 22 20:09:54 ggilbert: ok, thanks for the info. Dec 22 20:09:58 really annoying Dec 22 20:10:50 Since it alternates between being extremely fast to almost not responding. Dec 22 20:30:00 likewise: does the bios image have a checksum? Dec 22 20:30:08 (if you happen to know) Dec 22 20:30:16 if not, I could just use "sed" on the image Dec 22 20:30:16 NAiL: I see what your getting at, I dunno. Dec 22 20:30:38 NAiL: probably better to use a hex editor, so that offsets do not change Dec 22 20:30:52 NAiL: did you try a serial cable? Dec 22 20:31:42 likewise: I don't have one handy Dec 22 20:31:47 well, I do Dec 22 20:31:56 but I don't have anything to connect it to right now :-P Dec 22 20:39:31 i am looking at uclibc config for x86. although we select target arch =i486 in the uclibc the processor family is set to P4. Anyone knows why ? Dec 22 20:42:16 Does the perfectdraft run linux and does philips want to sponsor some? Dec 22 20:42:25 ticket to Brussels purchased ... Dec 22 20:52:05 koen: what is the perfectdraft? Dec 22 20:52:18 likewise: quick q regarding flashrom.. Dec 22 20:52:27 Note: If the following flash access fails, you might need to specify -m : Dec 22 20:52:30 root@mythbox:~# Dec 22 20:52:32 Really? ;) Dec 22 20:52:49 Jin^eLD: http://www.perfectdraft.com Dec 22 20:53:33 this device runs linux? :) Dec 22 20:54:07 is philips really doing those?? Dec 22 20:54:31 NAiL: sorry, I cannot follow. The flash did succeed the first time, but the built-in boot loader args were wrong. You now have a prompt?! Dec 22 20:54:47 likewise: uh, no. I *just* flashed it Dec 22 20:55:06 I figured out I had to erase first :-P Dec 22 20:55:18 Crofton|laptop: cool Dec 22 20:55:22 I've hexedited the kernel cmdline Dec 22 20:55:23 and flashed Dec 22 20:55:32 so now, I guess it's only booting left Dec 22 20:55:52 now I must spend next month writing Dec 22 20:56:01 * likewise is holding hands before his eyes... Dec 22 20:56:04 heh Dec 22 20:56:10 Crofton Dec 22 20:56:16 koen: it would be nice to OE this one: http://www.nxp.com/applications/video_broadcast/stb/stb810/index.html Dec 22 20:56:18 Crofton|laptop: writing what? Dec 22 20:56:23 thesis for MS Dec 22 20:56:24 unless it checks the crc of the flashed part upon booting, I think it'll work just fine Dec 22 20:56:34 if not, I guess I have a kinda-useless box :-P Dec 22 20:56:41 I just have to write enough crap down Dec 22 20:56:45 Jin^eLD: afaik philips already has OE'd that internally Dec 22 20:57:13 interesting Dec 22 20:57:29 * NAiL watches likewise to make sure he doesn't run away Dec 22 20:57:37 ~lart gettext Dec 22 20:57:38 * ibot shoves a crumpet down gettext's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? Dec 22 20:57:38 Jin^eLD: I rather like this one: http://www.micronas.com/products/application/IPTV/index.html Dec 22 20:58:01 I'll be damned Dec 22 20:58:13 * likewise notices his leg being chained to his desk (which isn't so bad) Dec 22 20:58:14 likewise: there are pros and cons.. the Philips box has software decoders, which means - they can be upgraded Dec 22 20:58:21 afaik Micronas has hw decoding Dec 22 20:58:43 Jin^eLD: hmm, rather limited in choice though. Not better than TI DaVinci, I guess. Dec 22 20:58:45 likewise: It works ;) Dec 22 20:59:05 * likewise jumps! (but the chain holds him down :-) ) Dec 22 20:59:16 Saw IV Dec 22 20:59:38 likewise: I have not yet worked with the TI one... one plus for the stb810 is their directfb implementation, everything - also video playback goes via directfb there Dec 22 20:59:49 on micronas you have your framebuffer and an independand video plane Dec 22 21:00:14 NAiL: still booting? Dec 22 21:00:15 so you have to split your code for pictures and video Dec 22 21:00:37 Jin^eLD: you working or evaluating these devices? Dec 22 21:00:43 likewise: I have both around Dec 22 21:01:17 which two out of davinci,micronas, stb810? Dec 22 21:01:24 micronas and stb810 Dec 22 21:01:34 Jin^eLD: or use Gdk on top of directfb :) Dec 22 21:01:44 and use webkit on top of gdk Dec 22 21:01:47 have not yet had a davinci in my hands.. but I heard that it is on a montavista kernel which apparently suxx :> Dec 22 21:02:04 likewise: successfully booted and mythtv is up Dec 22 21:02:06 Jin^eLD: kernel isn't really the problem- its being GITted. Dec 22 21:02:10 (also, remote is now working) Dec 22 21:02:28 NAiL: no h/w encoder? Dec 22 21:02:40 likewise: no idea :P Dec 22 21:02:49 NAiL: I mean, no PCI card involved in your box? Dec 22 21:02:50 zecke: heh.. what for? :) I am more into the upnp/mediarenderer kind of thing Dec 22 21:03:01 likewise: what PCI card? Dec 22 21:03:18 Jin^eLD: how's the new release of mediatomb doing? Dec 22 21:03:22 likewise: what is this GIT thing, I am not familiar with it Dec 22 21:03:31 koen: we are going to move our sources to sourceforge next week Dec 22 21:03:34 NAiL: rephrase: OK, so you have mythtv, but how do you interface with any TV? Dec 22 21:03:39 aha Dec 22 21:04:01 Jin^eLD: excellent (drums) Dec 22 21:04:02 koen: we are not doing a prerelese yet, but we are almost there, most of things are fully working so we will start testing soon Dec 22 21:04:13 One Hauppauge WinTV PVR 250 (PCI) and one WinTV USB PVR2 (Obviously USB) Dec 22 21:04:27 koen: btw, if I want to submit a .bb file for it, how would I do that? Dec 22 21:04:40 NAiL: PVR 350 here. But I did not use it yet and lend it to a collegea of mine. Dec 22 21:04:59 I'm having problem with my 250, but I suspect it might be a lousy tuner Dec 22 21:05:03 NAiL: my epia PSU sucks. It's supposed to do 60 Watts but it doesn't even spin up my 3.5" harddisk inside. Dec 22 21:05:07 hopefully by FOSDEM I have seen a davinci board Dec 22 21:05:11 Jin^eLD: attach it to the bugtracker Dec 22 21:05:16 but I suspect it will come with Integrity Dec 22 21:05:25 I've got a 120W DC-DC psu that works like a charm Dec 22 21:05:34 koen: ok, will do that after we move our code to SF Dec 22 21:05:39 I truly wish h/w was as distributable as s/w. I would distribute you guys some davinci boards. Dec 22 21:05:44 it fits on top of the power connector Dec 22 21:05:50 PicoPSU? Dec 22 21:06:02 no, same concept, only a bit larger Dec 22 21:06:07 I think my external PSU (230->12Volts) is too weak. Dec 22 21:06:19 yeah, I had that problem earlier Dec 22 21:06:21 likewise: davinci does sw decoding? Dec 22 21:06:35 Jin^eLD: yes, DSP codec s/w engines. Dec 22 21:06:40 Then I yanked the PSU from my N2100. That gave enough juice for a dvd-burner, mobo and hdd Dec 22 21:06:56 likewise: and what is the core that runs linux? mips or arm? Dec 22 21:07:35 arm Dec 22 21:07:35 NAiL: ah good, that reminds me I brought a 300 Watt ATX PSU from my work today (for the EFIKA really, but cannot hurt to boot the Epia) Dec 22 21:08:00 btw, when you say the kernel is GITted - what does that mean? :) Dec 22 21:08:08 Jin^eLD: CVS, SVN, Monotone, Mercurial, GIT, ... Dec 22 21:08:23 ah.. Dec 22 21:08:23 :-) Dec 22 21:08:39 mercurial is my favourite... :-) Dec 22 21:09:05 I like monotone best (for one particular reason :-) ) Dec 22 21:09:08 likewise: btw, do you know anyone that could be convinced to write a hack to linuxbios? ;) Dec 22 21:09:20 for being so slow and memory hungry? :-))) Dec 22 21:09:44 NAiL: I might be. It's just that the source build doesn't run as-is on my amd64 box. Assembler thingy of course... Dec 22 21:10:31 likewise: I have a rather tricky problem Dec 22 21:10:41 "problem" Dec 22 21:10:48 NAiL: I have to look into cross-building LinuxBIOS from amd64. Hmm, the todo list is growing and growing. Dec 22 21:11:34 I need to write a few bytes to a USB device, and from what I gather, that can basically be done with a long inb/outb sequence Dec 22 21:13:38 NAiL: hmm, not my thingy, never did anything USB related. Dec 22 21:14:04 it's not exactly important ;) Dec 22 21:14:52 Jin^eLD: the stb810 is not really fit for decoding HighDef H.264. It goes to 2 Mbit/s only. Dec 22 21:15:14 oh, I see Dec 22 21:15:18 I just want to write a string to the embedded VFD display so that it shows that it is booting ;) Dec 22 21:16:07 likewise: well, if I will ever have to do anything serious with the micronas board I guess I will OE it first Dec 22 21:16:39 and I guess I should ask philips for OE files for the stb810, would make things easier too Dec 22 21:16:59 Jin^eLD: I probably have a project on the Micronas next year. Dec 22 21:17:19 Jin^eLD: Maybe I can outsource OE'ing it to some OE guys here. Dec 22 21:17:28 would be nice Dec 22 21:17:36 likewise: thanks a bunch for the help ;) Dec 22 21:17:57 NAiL: well, I got more than 260000 bytes right :-) Dec 22 21:18:03 hehe Dec 22 21:18:19 I had to overwrite part of the cmdline with spaces though Dec 22 21:18:20 NAiL: how did you change the arg? Dec 22 21:18:30 s/arg/cmdline Dec 22 21:18:34 I don't think the tv-output likes the vgafb modes very good Dec 22 21:18:48 hexedit, just replace hdc with hda Dec 22 21:18:56 and 2.6.12 with 2.6.17 Dec 22 21:19:08 works like a charm Dec 22 21:19:27 NAiL: I thought of FILO booting into GRUB or so, to keep the bootloader configurable. Dec 22 21:19:47 NAiL: Also, I thought of putting the Linux kernel inside the (larger) BIOS chip :-) Dec 22 21:19:48 koen : The efika build fails at madwifi-ng Dec 22 21:20:09 Ifaistos: yes, koen knew from my bug report already. Dec 22 21:20:10 well, it's kinda hard to upgrade the kernel with this setup Dec 22 21:20:19 Ifaistos: you EFIKA too? Dec 22 21:20:20 Ifaistos: I removed madwifi from wpa-supplicant Dec 22 21:20:39 likewise : yep Dec 22 21:20:40 likewise: it would be interesting to figure out the legal questions, on what one may or may not do with stuff that comes from the vendor; but I would think that anything that is GPL should not be a problem for outsourcing Dec 22 21:20:47 NAiL: you could use the generic /vmlinuz to boot Dec 22 21:21:05 Jin^eLD: Is the dev kit any good of the Micronas? Dec 22 21:21:05 koen : I think i have a patch for that old madwifi modules in owmnr that we can apply Dec 22 21:21:28 Ifaistos: nice to know. Dec 22 21:21:36 likewise: not really, since the the link and the actual kernel is on a different partition Dec 22 21:21:47 I've got a separate /boot partition ... Dec 22 21:21:47 so now I bother two people with questions :-) Dec 22 21:21:50 koen : it has to do that newer ppc kernels moved from ppc to powerpc as arch Dec 22 21:22:01 right Dec 22 21:22:06 and OE doesn't know that iirc Dec 22 21:22:39 Ifaistos: I debugged the prob a bit, but couldn't understand why the madwifi build got a ppc in its path. There is a helper script that finds the architecture, and it inspects the .config of the kernel file Dec 22 21:22:52 Ifaistos: that script however, seems not to be used. Dec 22 21:22:53 likewise: well, I have not looked into it too closely; it comes with a huge makefile which allows you to build everything you need and suggests on how to add 3rd party/gpl packages to your build - but doing that via the makefile is nonsense if you know OE Dec 22 21:23:25 likewise: I think it would not be a big effort to OE their devkit, this would make life a lot easier Dec 22 21:24:10 likewise : i added ARCH_efika = "powerpc" in madwifi-ng_r.inc to overcome the this but it fails again later because its looking at the wrong kernel headers Dec 22 21:24:57 Ifaistos: try http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/fix-powerpc.diff Dec 22 21:26:11 likewise: any idea if it's possible to display a splash screen btw? Dec 22 21:26:48 koen : That should work, but just a note. Not all ppc cpus have migrated to powerpc. the 405 for example has not Dec 22 21:26:51 NAiL: run psplash from a initramfs Dec 22 21:26:53 NAiL: AFAIK, the original VIA Epia VGA BIOS is entered by LinuxBIOS, so you could use any Linux kernel splash Dec 22 21:27:11 NAiL: or userspace (like koen says) Dec 22 21:27:27 * likewise thinks userspace splash is the current way to go Dec 22 21:27:42 possibly Dec 22 21:27:47 I haven'tactually seen it boot yet Dec 22 21:27:49 NAiL: dunno about altering the in-BIOS splash though. Dec 22 21:27:57 I just saw that it came back up Dec 22 21:28:03 it's headless ;) Dec 22 21:28:09 NAiL: on the net, right. Dec 22 21:28:16 yeah Dec 22 21:28:34 NAiL: man I would seriously be grumpy if that thing didn't boot just a few minutes ago. Dec 22 21:28:51 haha Dec 22 21:28:52 yeah Dec 22 21:28:54 (if it were mine at least :-) ) Dec 22 21:29:04 I'd be a bit grumpy too Dec 22 21:29:30 likewise: Is there an in-BIOS splash? Dec 22 21:29:38 in the VGA-bios then? Dec 22 21:31:19 likewise: http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/perfdiff.txt Dec 22 21:31:40 likewise: pda vs workstation Dec 22 21:32:38 NAiL: some small VIA logo I remember. Most BIOSes can be hacked to replace that logo Dec 22 21:33:08 NAiL: How did you go about installing mythtv and the ivtv drivers, what distro etc did you choose? Dec 22 21:33:14 koen: lemme check that Dec 22 21:33:47 koen : For this to work need to rebuild kernel also right ? Dec 22 21:33:51 koen: any overall numbers on some application (cairoclock) Dec 22 21:34:06 likewise: I'm using ubuntu 6.10. Works like a charm. IIRC, you have to compile ivtv manually though. Dec 22 21:34:19 Ifaistos: shouldn't be needed, maybe a rebuild of linux-libc-headers Dec 22 21:34:26 likewise: no, none yet Dec 22 21:36:17 koen: I'm not sure what functions are most often called in cairo, but the general difference is certainly there :-) Dec 22 21:37:13 koen: you booked an extra night at astrid? Dec 22 21:38:02 koen : Still fails. if i remember correctly madwifi is looking at the kernel headers. will rebuild kernel and see how it goes Dec 22 21:38:03 likewise: yep Dec 22 21:42:55 I'm off home, bye everyone Dec 22 21:44:52 koen : problem efika is freescale mpc52xx which is still in the asm-ppc section.... Dec 22 21:45:15 koen : but some of the headers have been moved to the powerpc-section Dec 22 21:45:22 Hello Dec 22 21:47:12 How do I install an older version of a package and have them both live together in my feed? Dec 22 21:47:31 I have compiled two versions of gqview, one with gtk2 and one with gtk1 Dec 22 21:47:50 I want the gtk1 version right now, but I don't want to delete the gtk2 version Dec 22 21:48:10 Changing the name of one does the job, but it's hackish Dec 22 21:49:59 i'll have a look tomorrow at the Denx kernel/rep and see what i can come up with Dec 22 21:50:32 its time to go. cu2 tommorow Dec 22 21:53:10 Gotta go, bye Dec 22 21:54:30 likewise: btw, one thing that doesn't "work" with linuxbios Dec 22 21:54:44 NAiL: yes? Dec 22 21:54:52 likewise: When booting with only a TV attached, I can't see anything until X starts up Dec 22 21:55:33 NAiL: hmm, probably the (hardcoded) BIOS settings are a bit different. Dec 22 21:55:51 NAiL: my build is reasonably old, maybe someone worked on the source code for epia targets ever since. Dec 22 21:56:08 NAiL: Would be nice to be able to rebuild the source again, it was really not that hard. Dec 22 21:56:48 yeah Dec 22 21:57:02 but you'll have to do that, since I'm kinda limited flash-wise :-P Dec 22 21:58:03 I guess I should get hold of a large chip and play around a bit Dec 22 22:00:49 likewise: Any idea on how much a chip costs? Dec 22 22:01:09 NAiL: EUR 5 to 8 Dec 22 22:01:24 not a too large a cost ;) Dec 22 22:01:37 NAiL: I did not yet check if larger chips can be properly addressed. Dec 22 22:01:49 oh Dec 22 22:02:22 They need extra address lines to be routed. I should be able to check this easily by writing some info in the lower flash half. Dec 22 22:02:55 NAiL: however, I just started backing up the 250 GB Epia HD to a NAS device. I will look into this after I am sure my data is safe :-) Dec 22 22:03:06 hehe, cool Dec 22 22:03:34 ok, I've gotta go clean the house. Christmas is creeping closer :-\ Dec 22 22:10:18 anyone either have a link to stuff to build an arm crosscompiler for a redhat box into an rpm, or used oe to build one? Dec 22 22:10:56 rpm is the devils spawn Dec 22 22:11:21 the .spec format is nice, better than any other package manager's source stuff Dec 22 22:11:25 that being said, I just found my Red Hat 5.2 box set Dec 22 22:11:36 and while i prefer the .deb format, .rpm isnt /too/ terrible Dec 22 22:12:18 kergoth: integrate uv1's rpm patches and bitbake meta-sdk Dec 22 22:13:26 what rpm patches? did he update the old package_rpm we had? Dec 22 22:13:54 did the ohand dpkg/.deb stuff ever finish going completely upstream? Dec 22 22:14:01 * kergoth 's still catching up on stuff Dec 22 22:14:04 * kergoth resubscribes to the lists Dec 22 22:19:53 kergoth: uv1 added his rpm patches to the bugtracker a year ago or so Dec 22 22:20:03 kergoth: we're still waiting for zecke to OK them Dec 22 22:20:45 hehe Dec 22 22:20:46 sheesh Dec 22 22:25:43 * koen wonders about trying to update the patch from http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90621 Dec 22 23:20:55 Does anyone have a compiled version of minimo ? Dec 22 23:21:15 I can't find a package anywhere, and it has never built successfully Dec 22 23:29:36 SonicvanaJr: paste your output to pastebin.ca and show us. Dec 22 23:31:07 http://ibo.pastebin.ca/289242 Dec 22 23:31:11 There you go likewise Dec 22 23:33:55 SonicvanaJr: Hmm, somebody ran into this earlier and fixed it, but I dunno how: http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2005/11/manaos-embedded-browser-for-nokia-770.html Dec 22 23:35:46 That doesn't really help, but thanks anyway. Dec 22 23:36:17 SonicvanaJr: sorry, I do not have the build available and am not motivated to debug it anyway, too much on my todo list. Dec 22 23:36:29 It's fine **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 23 02:59:56 2006