**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 01 02:59:59 2007 Jan 01 05:57:05 HNY, finally! Jan 01 06:05:53 HNY Jan 01 08:02:23 hey need some help with the boost lib installation for monotone Jan 01 08:26:19 Happy New Year !!! Jan 01 09:03:37 morning Jan 01 09:22:03 hello Jan 01 09:26:48 ok.. so bit bake is just like portage in gentoo Jan 01 09:27:16 write a few lines to describe where the source is at, and how to compile it Jan 01 09:28:08 yes the idea is the same Jan 01 09:33:05 if I just want a toolchain to compile for zaurus/linux 2.6 are there working binaries I can download somewherE? Jan 01 09:33:41 I need a cross compiler where host is x86 and the target is ARM Jan 01 09:35:48 probably yes u can find around specially if "old" gcc such as 3.3 ... Jan 01 09:39:00 hi koen, happy 2007 Jan 01 09:45:00 good morning all Jan 01 09:45:05 gremlin[it]: happy new year Jan 01 09:53:03 happy new year koen Jan 01 10:38:04 morning all Jan 01 10:43:22 yhelothar Jan 01 10:54:34 morning, happy new year Jan 01 10:56:44 RP: doing a build for arm, x86 and powerpc right now Jan 01 11:01:03 koen Jan 01 11:01:33 hey anushsh Jan 01 11:02:29 koen, need some help for oe installation dude Jan 01 11:02:42 the boost lib is give me lots of prob Jan 01 11:03:24 boost? Jan 01 11:08:44 koen, when installing the boost lib, i also need to install boost-jam separately right Jan 01 11:08:53 for what? Jan 01 11:09:40 for getting the montone installation done Jan 01 11:09:51 apt-get install monotone Jan 01 11:10:28 oh cool Jan 01 11:10:58 koen: What would be your thought on enabling angstrom images for the hx2000? Jan 01 11:11:29 RP: I'm all for it Jan 01 11:12:53 linux-rp 2.6.16+git Jan 01 11:13:00 isn't that linux-rp 2.6.19+git? Jan 01 11:13:12 koen: I'm tempted to say do it... Jan 01 11:13:25 It should be .19+git. Where is the reference wrong? Jan 01 11:13:35 in your mail to angstrom-dev :) Jan 01 11:14:26 ahhrg. There isn't a .16+git version so lets presume its a turing test ;-) Jan 01 11:15:38 I should buy a decent sized hdd for OE builds, then I could try an hx2000 image from OE.dev.... Jan 01 12:05:45 NOTE: package diet-x11-X11R7.1-1.1.1-r0: task do_configure: started Jan 01 12:07:44 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r9283ad40... 10/ (1 packages/xorg-lib/libxft_X11R7.0-2.1.12.bb): libxft: update to 2.1.12 Jan 01 12:15:08 hi all & a happy new year Jan 01 12:16:14 I have a question to "devshell"; if I use devshell to configure tslib the configure script reports that libtool does not support shared libs - but if I bitbake tslib I have the .so Jan 01 12:16:43 as I'm working on a new module it would be very convinient if I could build shared object files in devshell as well ... Jan 01 12:17:03 any idea what I have to do that libtool in devshell supports shared libs? Jan 01 12:21:55 pgfeller: Which devshell are you using? Jan 01 12:22:13 rp: from the .dev branch Jan 01 12:22:29 pgfeller: -c devshell or devshell.bb? Jan 01 12:22:58 rp: bitbake devshell ... => ./deploy/addons/... Jan 01 12:23:05 rp: do I guess devshell.bb Jan 01 12:23:41 pgfeller: Try bitbake tslib -c devshell Jan 01 12:23:57 RP: devshell is broken without -b Jan 01 12:24:06 and your distro needs to inherit it Jan 01 12:24:15 koen: ah, yes :-/ Jan 01 12:24:27 luckily angstrom inherits it :) Jan 01 12:24:32 pgfeller: bitbake -b tslib_1.0.bb -c devshell Jan 01 12:25:26 rp: thanks ... will give it a try Jan 01 12:25:47 * koen looks at http://syslog.movial.fi/uploads/gtk_without_pointer.pdf Jan 01 12:25:51 * RP should really fix some bitbake bugs... Jan 01 12:26:36 * koen also looks at http://syslog.movial.fi/uploads/compiled-libglade.pdf Jan 01 12:29:05 rp: "bitbake -b /stuff/org.openembedded.dev/packages/tslib/tslib_1.0.bb -c devshell" results in an error: ERROR: InvalidTask event exception, aborting Jan 01 12:29:31 pgfeller: Which distro/branch? Jan 01 12:29:52 rp: .dev (last update was done yesterday) Jan 01 12:30:23 rp: checkinf distro ... a second Jan 01 12:30:47 rp: DISTRO = "generic"; DISTRO_VERSION = ".dev-snapshot-20070101" Jan 01 12:31:02 rp: MACHINE = "collie" Jan 01 12:31:19 pgfeller: Add INHERIT = "devshell" to your local.conf. generic doesn't support devshell as standard Jan 01 12:31:43 rp: thanks again ... will do. Jan 01 12:39:26 rp: unfortunately the error persist ... do I have to clean up ./cache or something? Jan 01 12:39:55 pgfeller: No, it shouldn't need anything like that Jan 01 12:42:40 rp: is "bitbake version 1.6.2" ok - or shall I try another one? Jan 01 12:45:04 pgfeller: I'd recommend the latest 1.6 Jan 01 12:45:38 I can't remeber what that is :-/ Jan 01 12:45:56 rp: np ... will check - but I think 1.6.2 is quite recent Jan 01 12:46:29 rp: checked - 1.6.2 is the latest stable Jan 01 12:48:26 pgfeller: 1.6.3 mustn't have been released yet (it is in svn), The problem you're seeing isn't a bitbake issue though Jan 01 12:48:53 If bitbake runs and doesn't drop you to a shell you'll need 1.6.3 Jan 01 12:49:10 invalid task means something is wrong with the INHERIT Jan 01 12:50:35 rp: ok ... will go to 1.6.3 then Jan 01 12:58:15 rp: "bitbake -b /stuff/org.openembedded.dev/packages/tslib/tslib_1.0.bb -c devshell" failes as well - will now try "bitbake tslib -c devshell" ... Jan 01 12:58:48 * pgfeller ... cache found, rebuilding... Jan 01 13:02:49 ok, I am still new Jan 01 13:06:22 ran the bitbake gpe-image and I think it completed well Jan 01 13:06:47 yet I get noting for "find . -iname '*.jffs2' " Jan 01 13:06:55 where is the image? Jan 01 13:08:18 niv_one_three: did you check the "deploy" dir ... maybe it is in an archive (.tar, bz ... or something) Jan 01 13:10:02 rp: I'm affraid - it still does not work ... is it relevant where to place the INHERIT in the local.conf? Jan 01 13:10:06 ~pastebin Jan 01 13:10:23 pastebin is probably a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste Jan 01 13:11:47 rp: my local.conf => http://pastebin.ca/299100 Jan 01 13:20:37 mmh ... bitbake tslib -c listtask also results in an error (ERROR: InvalidTask event exception, aborting) Jan 01 13:21:38 "bitbake -b /stuff/org.openembedded.dev/packages/tslib/tslib_1.0.bb -c listtasks " works, but devshell is not in the list :-/ Jan 01 13:24:37 pgfeller: thanks Jan 01 13:25:03 niv_one_three: np ... so you found it? Jan 01 13:26:10 min looking Jan 01 13:27:10 I thought I saw a deploy directory... Jan 01 13:27:44 min I look in /tmp Jan 01 13:30:00 niv_one_three: /stuff/tmp/ if you use std. paths Jan 01 13:30:31 find /path/ -name "*.jffs2" Jan 01 13:30:57 found the deploy at /tmp/oe/deploy Jan 01 13:31:05 but no jffs2 there.. Jan 01 13:31:27 morning Jan 01 13:31:40 morning hrw Jan 01 13:31:48 ~lart configure loops Jan 01 13:31:48 * ibot makes a balloon animal out of configure loops Jan 01 13:31:49 I ran, updatedb , then locate .jffs2 - nothing :-( Jan 01 13:31:52 hi hrw Jan 01 13:32:14 my build got stalled on do_configure kernel.. Jan 01 13:32:30 hrw: szczesliwego Nowego Roku Jan 01 13:32:49 koen: thx - for you too Jan 01 13:33:08 koen: mipsel need BIG site info updates Jan 01 13:33:39 *sigh* Jan 01 13:33:54 pgfeller: is it usually at deploy? Jan 01 13:33:54 * koen prepares to move the sgi machines back to the study Jan 01 13:34:30 niv_one_three: well . I´m a beginner too, - but afaik: yes Jan 01 13:34:35 hrw: configure loops make me regret to have largefile support Jan 01 13:34:37 hrw: is the that simpad like you got faster then the simpad ?? Jan 01 13:34:44 I mean it is 400mhz.. Jan 01 13:35:02 niv_one_three: I have progear webpad not simpad Jan 01 13:35:23 ya the progear , is it faster then the simpad? Jan 01 13:35:36 niv_one_three: and it is x86 with fpu so it is rather more faster then strongarm in simpad Jan 01 13:35:43 is it a special architcture? Jan 01 13:35:55 oh ok Jan 01 13:36:18 I looked all over and can't see where to buy one Jan 01 13:36:28 how the hell did you get it? Jan 01 13:36:28 niv_one_three: its 6 years old device Jan 01 13:36:36 niv_one_three: got it from OE user Jan 01 13:36:37 LIKE THE SIMPAD Jan 01 13:36:40 :-) Jan 01 13:36:52 hmm..\ Jan 01 13:37:04 any idea where to get one? Jan 01 13:37:33 how much time does it run? Jan 01 13:38:16 no idea Jan 01 13:38:23 no time to check few things on it Jan 01 13:38:28 food time - cu Jan 01 13:39:35 koen, I did get a bunch of .ipk at the deploy - but no .jffs2 :-( Jan 01 13:39:46 I will need to look in to it.. Jan 01 13:44:31 seems the files stay at the temp path , shouldnt they be copied to the initial path? Jan 01 14:09:47 morning Jan 01 14:16:08 anyone awake that has experience with embedded stuffs? Jan 01 14:16:25 ? Jan 01 14:16:56 would a embeded linux solution with xorg take a while to load? Jan 01 14:17:43 you mean pdaX ? Jan 01 14:18:21 im trying to get a system into my car to control a daughterboard on my ECU for tuning purposes Jan 01 14:18:33 but im concerned regarding boot times Jan 01 14:19:09 niacin: You could use something like suspend to ram... Jan 01 14:19:50 that would be a lot of work imo, i just want to turn a key, supply voltage, and go to town Jan 01 14:21:01 wish I had a clue.. I am still trying to build an image.. Jan 01 14:21:08 oh fun Jan 01 14:21:11 suspend to ram - aint that - a - big - a deal Jan 01 14:21:35 ... it works now :-) ... just missed the "--host=arm-linux" parameter for the config script ... now I can build .so in devshell :-D Jan 01 14:22:07 i just hacked up a crappy portable dvd player and got the 5" lcd controller to work with my pc, figured id use it for something usefull Jan 01 14:22:32 was gonna pick up a sbc or whatnot Jan 01 14:27:04 RP: no problems so far with a multi-arch build Jan 01 14:27:22 koen: Great :) Jan 01 14:39:23 re Jan 01 14:39:39 time to report some bugs Jan 01 14:39:53 hi mickeyl Jan 01 14:39:58 hey hrw! Jan 01 14:40:04 happy new year, all the best Jan 01 14:40:11 you too mickeyl Jan 01 14:40:14 we should start planning FOSDEM asa Jan 01 14:40:15 p Jan 01 14:40:16 hrw: wb Jan 01 14:40:43 mickeyl: it looks like diet-x11 1.1.1 has some tweaks to make x-traffic faster Jan 01 14:41:01 * koen wonders where to get lint.m4 from Jan 01 14:42:34 fisrt bug submited Jan 01 14:42:43 !oebug 1736 Jan 01 14:42:45 * * Bug 1736, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-01-01 07:13 Jan 01 14:42:45 really? cool, can we drag' them into the fullx!11? Jan 01 14:42:45 * * openembedded(AT)hrw.one.pl: omap1710h3 lack kernel configuration Jan 01 14:42:46 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1736 Jan 01 14:43:14 hi mickeyl Jan 01 14:43:19 mickeyl: it's in full x11 as well Jan 01 14:43:34 mickeyl: since diet-x11 is just a configure switch to the same tarball :) Jan 01 14:44:01 and xcb got merged Jan 01 14:44:03 very good Jan 01 14:44:05 yo RP Jan 01 14:46:38 squeezeclient is quite neat, it runs on my c7x0 :) Jan 01 14:46:48 someone familiar with that new site/* files? Jan 01 14:47:02 can we get common-common file? Jan 01 14:47:16 mipsel cant build dbus, strace Jan 01 14:48:59 hrw: It exists in the form of common-glibc, someone just needs to create it Jan 01 14:50:28 hrw: We could add a "common" file easily enough too Jan 01 14:51:22 we would have to Jan 01 14:51:47 hrw: Do you want me to add one? Jan 01 14:52:33 RP: someone would have to do it. if you have time for it then it would be great Jan 01 14:53:21 hrw: I'm not sure I have the time to fill it but I can make it look for the file... Jan 01 14:57:26 RP: bitbake trunk has problem... Jan 01 14:57:42 RP: MACHINE=mtx-2 DISTRO=angstrom Jan 01 14:58:00 FILESPATH usage is broken Jan 01 14:58:11 hrw: Broken how? Jan 01 14:58:22 moment Jan 01 14:58:33 util-linux is a package Jan 01 14:58:33 hrw: Can you give me a simplified exmaple of how its failing? Jan 01 14:58:54 RP: it does not check files/ for patch because files/MACHINE/ exists Jan 01 14:59:07 if I copy file from files/ to files/MACHINE/ then it works Jan 01 14:59:34 hrw: and this doesn't happen with bitbake 1.6? Jan 01 14:59:46 did not yet tested this way Jan 01 15:00:09 hrw: It could be bitbake or OE :-/ Jan 01 15:01:29 sure Jan 01 15:03:14 My news years resolution should be to keep a better todo list... Jan 01 15:03:58 I should finally create proper one Jan 01 15:08:49 I started typing a todo list and its scary :-/ Jan 01 15:09:33 RP: :-) Jan 01 15:09:41 bootstrap-image/progear is building... Jan 01 15:11:07 hrw: binconfig got fixed Jan 01 15:11:09 what do you guys think about splitting tmp/deploy/ipk/ into feeds just in OE? Jan 01 15:11:19 koen: I know - someone tested and closed bug? Jan 01 15:11:27 testing it right now Jan 01 15:11:31 thx Jan 01 15:11:55 hrw: do you still have the 'build image from feeds' patch somewhere? Jan 01 15:11:55 I think I marked it as fixed Jan 01 15:12:15 my build has over 20k packages in ipk/ for i486 i586 i686 armv4t armv5 armv6 sh3 mipsel all native machines... Jan 01 15:12:21 koen: it is in .oz354x Jan 01 15:12:31 hrw: The deb package generation does that by default since dpkg doesn't support the idea of architectures quite as well Jan 01 15:12:54 RP: nice Jan 01 15:13:22 koen: mtn log classes/rootfs_ipk.bbclass Jan 01 15:13:53 hrw: mtn annotate now takes minutes instead of hours Jan 01 15:14:05 * RP adds merging deb support from poky to todo list :-/ Jan 01 15:14:18 koen: Iknow. I use 0.31+32 on one machine Jan 01 15:14:37 RP: good to know ;D Jan 01 15:15:04 Things like that just slip my mind. Too much to keep track of... Jan 01 15:16:13 i stopped maintaining a todo list, it was too frustrating seeing it getting larger and larger Jan 01 15:17:14 mickeyl: I do not have a device to keep it on Jan 01 15:17:21 phone is too limited Jan 01 15:17:31 pdas are too big or limited (collie) Jan 01 15:17:36 mickeyl: I've not done it up until now for that reason... Jan 01 15:18:00 I'm now at the stage where I forget about things I wanted to do though :-/ Jan 01 15:18:24 I have been using my inbox as a kind of tool for it but its become unmanageable :-( Jan 01 15:18:52 so we want to come up with a kick-ass Agenda program for OpenMoko? Jan 01 15:19:04 I think the trick is to do more .... Jan 01 15:19:17 Crofton: to want less :) Jan 01 15:19:29 mickeyl: Yes please :) Jan 01 15:19:35 lower expectations Jan 01 15:19:57 mickeyl: agenda as /good today/ or as good outliner? Jan 01 15:20:49 we probably need both Jan 01 15:20:53 a good outliner is a challenge Jan 01 15:20:57 yep Jan 01 15:21:02 What I'd value is something which I could run on all my machines (pdas, desktop, laptop) Jan 01 15:21:25 I liked agendus on palmos -integrated pim tool Jan 01 15:22:07 RP: same app or same datastore? Jan 01 15:22:25 koen probably both Jan 01 15:25:47 3kg on legs is not comfortable... I would have to look for lighter lptop that the one which Ania has Jan 01 15:26:15 koen: same app, support for offline use with syncing to a central datastore ideally Jan 01 15:26:42 xxs1500 is fscked Jan 01 15:32:52 kernel is not fetchable Jan 01 15:37:37 !oebug 1737 Jan 01 15:37:38 * * Bug 1737, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-01-01 08:08 Jan 01 15:37:39 * * openembedded(AT)hrw.one.pl: xxs1500 kernel is not fetchable Jan 01 15:37:40 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1737 Jan 01 15:43:31 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r589f3143... 10/ (17 files in 3 dirs): site: Start to refactor files to benefit from common site files. Much more work is needed but this is a start Jan 01 15:44:57 Does anyone have any knowledge of samba site config data? Jan 01 15:48:41 nope Jan 01 15:55:11 RP: all I know is that the site files were broken till v8jlene fixed them Jan 01 15:55:37 koen: The samba entries are all very different for arm :-/ Jan 01 15:59:27 brb Jan 01 16:09:06 morning fooks, happy new year Jan 01 16:09:36 likewise: morning, HNY Jan 01 16:10:31 RP: interested in a samba site file I generated on my h2200? Jan 01 16:10:35 RP: HNY Jan 01 16:10:39 ehm Jan 01 16:10:42 likewise: HNY Jan 01 16:11:13 koen: I'd be interested in a site file for both uclibc and glibc on arm... Jan 01 16:11:23 HNY2U2 RP, koen Jan 01 16:11:30 and on both big/little endian :-/ Jan 01 16:11:55 koen: We really need the test suite zecke started... Jan 01 16:12:11 I have that suite installed, but it doesn't do much Jan 01 16:12:26 koen: Can you add samba support to it? :) Jan 01 16:12:46 I have no idea how to hack it Jan 01 16:14:42 RP: zecke thingy already has samba.m4 Jan 01 16:15:33 RP: what kind of test suite did zecke start? Jan 01 16:17:19 likewise: contrib/site-conf. Someone could do with giving it some TLC Jan 01 16:17:28 koen: Its empty though, it needs filling ;-) Jan 01 16:18:20 RP: I extended aclocal.m4 Jan 01 16:18:24 RP: I am interested in a test framework like this, it needs h/w though: http://www.openbios.org/pipermail/linuxbios/2006-December/017658.html Jan 01 16:18:27 lets see if that works Jan 01 16:18:47 RP: I'll try to setup something similar to that at our lab. Jan 01 16:20:32 koen: basically add samba to aclocal.m4 and copy acinclude.m4 from the samba source over the top of the samba.m4 file Jan 01 16:21:42 koen: It will also need the functions listed in configure.ac :-/ Jan 01 16:22:05 didn't pvanhoof have a trick for that in tinymail? Jan 01 16:22:18 * RP has no idea Jan 01 16:27:27 koen: Hmm. Its not that simple :-( Jan 01 16:27:33 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r1897dabe... 10/ (1 contrib/site-conf/aclocal.m4): contrib/site-conf: add all m4 files to aclocal.m4 Jan 01 16:27:46 it's a start Jan 01 16:28:22 I now once got a "mtn: network error: failed to connect: Connection refused", is that to be expected? 2nd time worked. Jan 01 16:28:54 yes, I restarted the server Jan 01 16:29:17 koen: just a matter of bad timing then :-) Jan 01 16:29:58 pb_: ping Jan 01 16:31:45 imap on slow link is nightmare Jan 01 16:31:52 diff arm-common ix86-common is interesting :-/ Jan 01 16:31:52 RP: http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/site-files/armv5te-linuxgnueabi.site.samba Jan 01 16:33:37 | /a/home/hrw/devel/build/test/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.1/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: imagetops: hidden symbol `__aeabi_fadd' in /a/home/hrw/devel/build/test/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.1/libgcc.a(_addsubsf3.o) is referenced by DSO Jan 01 16:33:55 cups Jan 01 16:34:22 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rd171e547... 10/ (1 site/arm-common site/arm-linux): site: Resort arm-common to match ix86-common, tidy up some further entries Jan 01 16:34:44 looks like time to do new ar build Jan 01 16:35:26 koen: Interesting. There are differences between uclibc and glibc :-/ Jan 01 16:36:01 re Jan 01 16:36:04 HNY everyone Jan 01 16:36:17 hny jin Jan 01 16:36:22 Jin^eLD: Hi and hny. Jan 01 16:36:38 HNY always remind me HNY96 virus on amiga Jan 01 16:36:43 hehe Jan 01 16:37:06 RP: The STAGING_BINDIR does not have to be rewritten to STAGING_BINDIR_NATIVE for *_native*.bb files, correct? Jan 01 16:37:25 my first amiga program was written in highspeed pascal - it was very very simple (and slow) tool to disable this viri in infected fles Jan 01 16:37:37 hrw, there is a new ompa kernel patch available for 2.6.19 Jan 01 16:37:44 I haven't tried it yet Jan 01 16:37:48 likewise: Correct, since its the same thing for native packages :) Jan 01 16:37:55 Crofton: already in OE Jan 01 16:38:25 RP: yes, but we should choose either one consistently. Jan 01 16:38:27 cool Jan 01 16:38:45 I guess I should give it w try on the OSK then? Jan 01 16:39:09 RP: so, STAGING_BINDIR it is, unless a target package requires cross and/or native intermediate tools. Jan 01 16:39:27 likewise: I chose STAGING_BINDIR as it saved rewriting half of OE. That sounds fine Jan 01 16:39:45 RP: check, tnx. Jan 01 16:40:59 Crofton: would be nice Jan 01 16:41:11 Crofton: it is marked as not-default because not tested by you Jan 01 16:41:39 one day we need to make configs for specific hw Jan 01 16:42:22 since there are a number of board types Jan 01 16:42:41 we should mark the configs as OSK specific ... Jan 01 16:42:55 Crofton: ever had omap1710h3 board maybe? Jan 01 16:43:06 sorry Jan 01 16:43:22 I only have osk and 770 Jan 01 16:44:52 hmmm Jan 01 16:45:09 no need for university anymore with youtube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=6QAE9crPHOY Jan 01 16:45:26 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rf62e2fac... 10/ (1 site/arm-linux): site/arm-linux: Update samba entries with results from Koen Jan 01 16:45:43 koen: not if you have amd64 Jan 01 17:00:29 happy new year zecke! all the best! health, girls, professional success -- in this order!!!! :D Jan 01 17:00:52 koen: may I use it for that purpose? Jan 01 17:01:22 zecke: ? Jan 01 17:03:09 koen: I wasn't sure if I'm allowed to put my webkit git trees ltg.org, I was quite sure it is/was okay with hh.org Jan 01 17:03:23 also I didn't want to go through the hassle of creating a project Jan 01 17:03:24 hi Jan 01 17:03:36 zecke: I told you many times before: it is ol Jan 01 17:03:45 zecke: and you don't need to create a project Jan 01 17:03:51 any idea what's the password for the kbdd svn? Jan 01 17:03:53 *shy* Jan 01 17:04:09 zecke: and I take offense at people still using that fascist hh.org Jan 01 17:04:51 mickeyl: thanks, I wish the same with s/girls/joy with your wife/ applied Jan 01 17:05:00 thanks .) Jan 01 17:05:12 although... Jan 01 17:05:14 *cough* Jan 01 17:05:17 no, forget that ;) Jan 01 17:06:53 koen: the good thing about git is one can easily move :) Jan 01 17:09:40 can somebody please tell me how i can checkout the kbdd source from svn? Jan 01 17:09:41 i zecke - HNY07 Jan 01 17:09:52 there is a password and no anonymouse login Jan 01 17:10:43 hrw: yes? Jan 01 17:11:04 monsti: svn checkout svn://projects.linuxtogo.org/svn/kbdd works for me Jan 01 17:11:20 ibot: HNY is Happy New Year Jan 01 17:11:31 ...but hny is already something else... Jan 01 17:11:35 ~hny Jan 01 17:11:37 * ibot wishes everyone using Debian a very Happy New Year :P Jan 01 17:11:39 heh Jan 01 17:11:52 koen: thx! works, too Jan 01 17:11:53 ibot: botsnack Jan 01 17:11:54 koen: :) Jan 01 17:13:13 koen: my IR keyboard really sucks :( each key produces a different code everytime i press it! Jan 01 17:13:45 koen: but it's like a ring buffer - after 16 press/releace cycles it starts again Jan 01 17:13:57 monsti: ln -snf /dev/random /dev/kbd ? Jan 01 17:14:05 no not random Jan 01 17:14:10 but cycles Jan 01 17:14:23 i dumped every cycle for every key - no i can position row/col Jan 01 17:14:26 but this is so clumsy Jan 01 17:14:36 s/^i/hi Jan 01 17:15:47 someone used pida? Jan 01 17:20:51 pida? Jan 01 17:22:30 ah, that IDE thing Jan 01 17:22:44 yes that one Jan 01 17:22:47 looks cool Jan 01 17:22:55 will need to try that Jan 01 17:23:05 I will have to check it during next days Jan 01 17:23:20 gvim enhanced with pida... Jan 01 17:23:53 dmnd, this pc doesn't even have a serial port anymore... Jan 01 17:23:55 * RP -> food Jan 01 17:24:06 * likewise <- food Jan 01 17:24:10 likewise: mine has but connector was not included... Jan 01 17:24:29 hrw: Dell E520... pretty much sucks. Jan 01 17:24:32 opefully I ripped it from old PC/AT style machine so will have to connect it one day Jan 01 17:24:46 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rb413f187... 10/ (1 classes/base.bbclass): base.bbclass: Allow base_contains to take an array of values to check for (from poky) Jan 01 17:24:51 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r5aa90967... 10/ (1 classes/siteinfo.bbclass): siteinfo.bbclass: Demote site files message to debug log level (from poky) Jan 01 17:24:57 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rf9b735fa... 10/ (1 classes/package.bbclass): package.bbclass: Add fakeroot-native as a depenedncy (from poky) Jan 01 17:24:58 hrw: good point, maybe it's onboard Jan 01 17:25:01 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r5c1ed624... 10/ (1 classes/image.bbclass classes/rootfs_ipk.bbclass): image.bbclass rootfs_ipk.bbclass: Move common functionality into image.bbclass to prepare for rootfs_deb/bbclass (from poky) Jan 01 17:27:13 cThis page contains a modified version of the sharp sdcard driver for Zaurus SL-5500, hacked to support 2GB sd cards. It might also work with 4GB sd cards, but i'm not sure (i can't test). Jan 01 17:27:20 http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/~miguel/zaurus/ Jan 01 17:28:20 it si sharp driver forced to use 512 bytes blocks like it is done in 2.6 kernel Jan 01 17:28:26 s/si/is Jan 01 17:29:54 yeah, binary hacking Jan 01 17:32:08 its good to track OZ wiki Jan 01 17:35:49 * chouimat|ibook is away: lunch Jan 01 17:37:58 hrw: hmm, no internal serial connector, and I can only use one PCIe slot (due to the GPU cooling)... Should have double checked beforehand. Jan 01 17:45:17 shit happens Jan 01 17:45:21 cu guys Jan 01 17:53:04 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r7ac3268b... 10/ (1 conf/machine/ixp4xxle.conf): ixp4xxle.conf: add tune-xscale Jan 01 18:49:31 HNY everyone! Jan 01 18:49:43 The year of OE and openmoko has begun! Jan 01 18:51:06 hrw|gone: I see a lot of entries like /home/hrw/devel/build/native/tmp/staging in packages/perl/perl-5.8.7/ Is that intended? Jan 01 18:51:42 Laibsch hihiihihih Jan 01 18:51:56 Laibsch: happy new year as well Jan 01 19:06:20 hmm, the openmoko phones are already publicly available? Jan 01 19:06:40 in other words, has anyone already seen/held the hardware? :) Jan 01 19:10:58 mmp_: only the devs :) Jan 01 19:11:18 koen: including you? :) Jan 01 19:11:28 nope Jan 01 19:11:34 (the first 500 phones) Jan 01 19:11:37 :-( Jan 01 19:11:38 * koen is no openmoko dev Jan 01 19:12:12 yes, but they promised to release 500 (or so) phones to developers in December, as far as I understand... Jan 01 19:15:41 * koen hasn't seen any of those either Jan 01 19:16:45 I believe they'll make hardware revision with already included wifi of some kind. I'll be first in the line to buy it then:) Jan 01 19:17:45 no wifi in v1 Jan 01 19:17:51 maybe in the next model Jan 01 20:12:04 eeks! Jan 01 20:12:05 http://blog.pcode.nl/?p=208 Jan 01 20:12:19 2.4 won't die, no matter how hard people try Jan 01 20:12:48 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r748c040d... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libbacon: gnome cvs moved to svn, so lets use that Jan 01 20:14:19 btw, any reason for that? why are people not switching ot 2.6? Jan 01 20:15:15 there's the classic "RMK has no -rmk patch for 2.6, so 2.6 doesn't support ARM" Jan 01 20:16:21 huh? I guess that's beyong my knowledge, since I have no idea what RMK actually is :) Jan 01 20:16:48 Russel M King, the maintainer of ARM in linux Jan 01 20:17:40 aha.. and.. he is no 2.6 fan or is simply nothing special from hin required in order for 2.6 to run? Jan 01 20:22:47 * mwester is of the opinion that 2.6 works very nicely for ARM processors Jan 01 20:23:18 Jin^eLD: (at least from h5400-port view:) there are tons of code to be converted and only few things work as expected. Jan 01 20:23:19 well yes, I am using 2.6 too Jan 01 20:23:35 aha.. hmm Jan 01 20:23:35 ... and no one would carry serial console together with his/her ipaq Jan 01 20:25:51 03mwester 07org.oe.dev * r42098e57... 10/ (1 packages/linux/ixp4xx-kernel_2.6.19.bb): Openslug: update svn version to include updated velocity patch and ext3 corruption patch Jan 01 20:27:19 Jin^eLD: no, it's much better: 2.6 needs no patch, arm is already supported :) Jan 01 20:27:58 oh ok :) Jan 01 20:28:09 I guess now I get it :> Jan 01 20:31:04 and you wonder why R&D is so costly Jan 01 20:32:57 1) check for patch Jan 01 20:32:59 2) panic Jan 01 20:33:04 3) hire mvista Jan 01 20:33:09 uuh Jan 01 20:48:21 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rdad83638... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ezx-boot-usb: update to svn rev 1922 which adds supports for the ROKR E2 (motorola should get a better spellchecker) Jan 01 20:52:32 cool bot.. :) Jan 01 20:56:21 min, does OE run on the motorola cell phone? Jan 01 20:56:34 dion: what am I missing here? Jan 01 20:57:19 hmm. i never tried.. Anyway motorola support is very limited by kernel.. Jan 01 20:58:17 i only tried to build opie-image with openembedded but with no success Jan 01 20:59:32 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r49a2d8df... 10/ (1 packages/ezx/ezx-boot-usb-native_0.1.0.bb): ezx-boot-usb: add 0.1.0 release Jan 01 20:59:43 niv_one_three: currently i have just compiled kernel from openezx + debian etch rootfs over NFS. (network via USB). Can boot phone over boot_usb (Just send kernel zImage over usb) Jan 01 21:00:21 flashed 2.6 kernel + rootfs on SD card works too but phone shuts down after 2 mins Jan 01 21:05:04 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf80ec3fe... 10/ (1 conf/machine/a780.conf): a780: include opentapi in the default rootfs. opentapi does still need an initscript to start on boot, though Jan 01 21:23:11 is lftp broken? Jan 01 21:23:13 wow - tha t is cool Jan 01 21:36:50 mickey|tv: it looks like lutz got canned :) Jan 01 21:42:46 d'oh really? Jan 01 21:42:49 funny Jan 01 21:42:51 kind of Jan 01 21:43:06 niv_one_three: hi Jan 01 21:43:24 http://kdab.net/?page=people Jan 01 21:43:35 mickey|tv: he is missing in action and missing from this site Jan 01 21:43:58 hi mice Jan 01 21:44:20 just did some rtfm, and found that the OE site, does have them answers Jan 01 21:44:29 feel like an ass.. Jan 01 21:45:38 am i suppose to use familier or openzaurus for my simpad? Jan 01 21:46:31 niv_one_three: better to use familier - I think Jan 01 21:46:54 niv_one_three: but the tree is not in oe - you have to grap it at handhelds.org Jan 01 21:47:12 well , as this bitbake is so similer to gentoo's portage , I feel like home Jan 01 21:47:13 :-) Jan 01 21:47:16 speaking about funny things Jan 01 21:47:38 it'd take 1 week for someone interested to finish 2.6 on SIMpad Jan 01 21:47:44 then Angstrom would support it Jan 01 21:47:46 *shrug* Jan 01 21:47:55 mickel ? Jan 01 21:48:05 yes? Jan 01 21:48:15 well . seems that lcd driver is no easy chor Jan 01 21:48:32 hi its Niv , may u remeber me from OESF Jan 01 21:48:36 is that so? the mq200 ran fine two years ago Jan 01 21:48:40 under 2.6.something Jan 01 21:48:41 you've being very helpfull Jan 01 21:48:43 thanks to zecke Jan 01 21:49:23 mickey , you helped me when I had the zaurus 5500 Jan 01 21:49:38 bear with me, my memory suffers from me being over 30 Jan 01 21:49:39 ;) Jan 01 21:49:58 but I still dont seem to be able to generate an image for my simpad Jan 01 21:50:00 :-( Jan 01 21:50:06 guess more reading for me Jan 01 21:50:07 .. Jan 01 21:50:28 well, since i stopped maintaing the SIMpad in OE florian and koen were the only ones doing images Jan 01 21:50:49 when did yo compile the last time for SIMpad, guys? Jan 01 21:50:50 ok, here I ask again. what do I need to config in order to build an image for my simpad Jan 01 21:50:54 ? Jan 01 21:51:09 in theory Jan 01 21:51:13 DISTRO = "generic" Jan 01 21:51:15 MACHINE = "SIMpad" Jan 01 21:51:22 and time Jan 01 21:51:27 in practice, no idea Jan 01 21:51:37 after I set the linux version to 2.4 in the local.conf - I did manage to initiate a build Jan 01 21:51:49 10x Jan 01 21:52:11 I did use these two Jan 01 21:52:38 now mr_mice suggest to grab a build from hh.org Jan 01 21:52:42 is that correct? Jan 01 21:52:52 mickey|tv: DISTRO="angstrom-2007.1-oabi" Jan 01 21:53:12 niv_one_three: no, hh.org only has outdated and buggy stuff Jan 01 21:53:15 where does handhelds.org in the whole world of GNU on pda? Jan 01 21:53:38 nowhere Jan 01 21:53:52 I mean is it just a place to read old news, and sign up for current mailing list? Jan 01 21:53:53 bye everyone Jan 01 21:54:14 I am really asking Jan 01 21:54:20 got no clue Jan 01 21:54:38 niv_one_three: everything you need is on openembedded.org Jan 01 21:54:59 oh , ok then I will continue reading it Jan 01 21:55:26 thanks koen - the documantion seems real clear Jan 01 21:56:00 and finally , where may I read about when anstrong - will - be avail to simpad? Jan 01 21:56:21 niv_one_three: if people want to support it, yes Jan 01 21:56:48 I am still young here, but I want to help with it Jan 01 21:57:13 I am happy to find a nice pas time work Jan 01 21:57:23 this job is driving me nuts Jan 01 21:57:39 mickey|tv: wasn't the working driver gpl incompatible? Jan 01 21:57:56 at the end of the day, no Jan 01 21:58:13 so we do have a source to start with? Jan 01 21:58:16 IIRC it turned out that MediaQ released it through mvista or whatever in a GPL compatible way Jan 01 21:58:17 * koen is a bit out of touch with simpad Jan 01 21:58:17 IIRC Jan 01 21:58:26 zecke is the veteran-expert here Jan 01 21:58:44 * koen wants a irex iliad Jan 01 21:58:56 * mickey|tv ponders whether it's open enough for me Jan 01 21:59:03 mickey|tv: you assume that MVista releases are GPL compat? Jan 01 21:59:18 no, i just remember some statement about that particular driver Jan 01 21:59:23 vaguely remember... Jan 01 21:59:24 like the SDIO stacks they released a few years back Jan 01 21:59:24 that is Jan 01 21:59:29 and had to pull... Jan 01 22:02:35 mickey|tv: I'm confident irex will release userspace Q1, but there's still the binary only flash driver holding back the 2.6 port Jan 01 22:02:35 I get the idea that 'management' doesn't want to spend resources on gpl compliance Jan 01 22:02:35 someone with an iliad should exercise their GPL right and make a proper request Jan 01 22:02:35 ehm, wait Jan 01 22:02:40 someone with an iliad should donate it to me, and I'll do a proper request :D Jan 01 22:03:13 heh Jan 01 22:04:07 ok, all this is not clear to me Jan 01 22:04:18 iliad =$$ ? Jan 01 22:04:21 or what? Jan 01 22:04:32 kind of Jan 01 22:04:34 and is the spoec open or not? Jan 01 22:04:39 something over 700 iirc Jan 01 22:04:44 EUR, that is Jan 01 22:05:20 well it is a haffty amount of moeny Jan 01 22:05:31 yeah, for a "ebook reader" Jan 01 22:06:00 * mickey|tv checks a current price Jan 01 22:06:21 so , the company that made th mq200 is still in buiesness and doesnt want to share the spec.. Jan 01 22:06:25 I c Jan 01 22:06:39 and dont we have a reverse eng option? Jan 01 22:06:58 €650 Jan 01 22:07:01 I mean , its just a matter of reading the bus right? Jan 01 22:07:03 s/reverse eng/clean room/ Jan 01 22:07:04 niv_one_three: mq200 is designed by mediaq, mediaq was bought by Nvidia Jan 01 22:07:19 niv_one_three: just google for the pdf and you will find it Jan 01 22:07:25 anyone know why /proc/bus/usb/devices wouldn't exist after a USB device is plugged in and appropriate modules loaded? Jan 01 22:07:45 oh ok, I see Jan 01 22:07:45 JustinP: you didn't mount usb(dev)fs? Jan 01 22:08:09 niv_one_three: http://opensimpad.org/images/d/d6/MQ-200.pdf Jan 01 22:09:01 niv_one_three: I think I had a disconnect at a unclever moment. was You talking about the 2.6 Kernel? Jan 01 22:09:20 mr_nice: "Proprietary and Confidential" might not be the most clever act to host it Jan 01 22:10:01 zecke: I have writtten them a few times - they didn't answer my mails Jan 01 22:10:01 koen: ah....well, it's angstrom... Jan 01 22:10:06 ok , It is l8 here in Israel, and I am tired Jan 01 22:10:11 but this is getting intersting,, Jan 01 22:10:20 JustinP: sounds like the inittab in .dev doesn't mount usbfs Jan 01 22:10:42 ok, I'll see if I can mount it manually... Jan 01 22:11:28 echo "usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults 0" >> /etc/fstab ; mount -a Jan 01 22:11:51 sweet , we do have the spec, what about a source some one allready did? Jan 01 22:12:12 niv_one_three: there is Zeckes source or? Jan 01 22:12:53 lineo wrote a uclinix mq200 driver Jan 01 22:13:09 where may I see the code? Jan 01 22:13:12 not to mentio n angstrom can't shutdown/reboot correctly.....and other things Jan 01 22:13:28 niv_one_three: git clone http://handhelds.org/~zecke/simpad/linux-2.6/.git linux-2.6 Jan 01 22:14:05 niv_one_three: if you have a low internet connection I can tar only the latest branch and upload it for you Jan 01 22:14:18 no need Jan 01 22:14:41 "http transport not supported, rebuild Git with curl support" Jan 01 22:14:50 min ppl Jan 01 22:14:54 JustinP: file a bug Jan 01 22:15:23 niv_one_three: then do a wget -r http://handhelds.org/~zecke/simpad/linux-2.6/.git Jan 01 22:16:53 its on now Jan 01 22:16:55 ok Jan 01 22:17:07 I m off 2 sleep Jan 01 22:17:16 see you ppl tomorrow night Jan 01 22:17:20 take care Jan 01 22:17:41 niv_one_three: after you are getting all the files you can do a git clone linux-2.6/.git/ ../Zeckes.Kernel.Gittree Jan 01 22:18:19 niv_one_three: but doing a find ./ -name index.html* -delete before could be usefull Jan 01 22:18:36 ?? Jan 01 22:18:53 will ask tommorow Jan 01 22:18:59 10x fo now Jan 01 22:19:00 niv_one_three: ok Jan 01 22:19:10 niv_one_three: you will see ;) Jan 01 22:31:10 Laibsch: new toy for you: Jan 01 22:32:35 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r78778155... 10/ (1 packages/gnome/kanjipad_svn.bb): kanjipad: add svn version Jan 01 22:37:17 NI____CE Jan 01 22:37:54 Thanks, koen. I guess this should run under GPE and even without a keyboard. Jan 01 22:38:04 it should Jan 01 22:38:07 openmoko, here I come. Jan 01 22:38:16 Where was the order form again? Jan 01 22:38:23 ;-) Jan 01 22:38:35 Laibsch: http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/kanjipad/trunk/README?rev=10&view=markup Jan 01 22:38:40 * Laibsch compiles kanjipad Jan 01 22:39:37 hm, no kana? that is unfortunate. Jan 01 22:39:42 But still a great improvement. Jan 01 22:39:55 ;) Jan 01 22:39:57 g'night Jan 01 22:40:31 good night Jan 01 22:40:36 mickey|zzZZzz: Jan 01 22:48:01 somebody forgot the beerparty in the topc... I assume it starts 23. evening... Jan 01 23:10:29 likewise: libusb has been fixed for powerpc :) Jan 01 23:12:18 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r733cecb1... 10/ (1 packages/libusb/libusb_0.1.12.bb): libusb: fix compilation for powerpc Jan 01 23:20:36 koen: nice, closed the bug. Jan 01 23:21:04 koen: I have a .bb pending for audio support on the efika - experimental. Jan 01 23:21:12 * koen is also compiling cvs,svn, monotone, make, gcc etc to ppc603e Jan 01 23:21:17 likewise: ah, cool Jan 01 23:21:31 likewise: that's why sound doesn't work :) Jan 01 23:22:05 will commit the .bb in a minute. Jan 01 23:22:44 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r787ba7a9... 10/ (1 packages/gnome/kanjipad_svn.bb): kanjipad: correct some cflags Jan 01 23:24:29 ibot: botmail for likewise: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angstrom-distro-devel/2006-December/000046.html might interest your (ti davinci stuff) Jan 01 23:32:32 koen: how come your sudden interest in kanjipad? Jan 01 23:33:50 03likewise 07org.oe.dev * rd0e7b7f2... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-efika_2.6.18+2.6.19-rc6.bb): linux-efika: Added audio driver and device tree fixup. Experimental. Jan 01 23:33:55 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra0700619... 10/ (1 packages/aspell/aspell_0.50.5.bb): aspell: fix compilation for powerpc Jan 01 23:34:03 I came across it when browsing gnome svn Jan 01 23:34:10 ic Jan 01 23:39:33 good nite all. Jan 01 23:41:14 another fork bites the dust Jan 01 23:48:51 03likewise 07org.oe.dev * r132be09e... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-efika/defconfig): linux-efika: Enabled build of audio driver as module. Jan 01 23:48:59 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rcc1b4154... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): tinymail + maemo-mapper: depends on gnome-vfs, not gnome-vfs-dbus Jan 01 23:49:05 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rdc166a63... 10/ (9 files in 3 dirs): gnome-vfs-dbus: the -dbus branch has been merged upstream, so remove the old forked code. gnome-vfs_2.16.x has no orbit deps left Jan 02 00:05:21 hi Jan 02 00:05:36 hi Jan 02 00:05:41 does anybody know where the zaurus5500G saves his "bios"? Jan 02 00:05:55 or, is there a flash-listing anywhere= Jan 02 00:06:05 What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Jan 02 00:06:49 is it possible to replace the flashes and flash it with an cf-card? Jan 02 00:06:58 yes Jan 02 00:07:23 you just have to make sure you don't overwrite the bootloader Jan 02 00:07:27 since that will render the machine useless Jan 02 00:07:39 i mean - it will replace the chips Jan 02 00:07:44 it = i Jan 02 00:08:28 Can you? Yes. Should you? No. Jan 02 00:08:52 why not? Jan 02 00:10:34 It's a tricky process Jan 02 00:10:45 that can easilly destroy the machine Jan 02 00:11:15 we did stuff like this with a dbox2 etc. Jan 02 00:11:23 so i know what i am doing Jan 02 00:11:38 i just wanted some hardware information Jan 02 00:11:59 but i don't find stuff - no pictures, no flash-tables etc. Jan 02 00:12:00 Someone in Japan did it a while back Jan 02 00:12:13 rw: you replacing with bigger chips? Jan 02 00:12:51 XorA: at the moment i don't know very much about the zaurus internals - so i don't know what the bigger chips are ;) Jan 02 00:15:53 hmm for the life of me I can't remember where it was Jan 02 00:16:29 maybe you know a page where i can get some basic hardware information? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 02 02:59:57 2007