**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 10 03:00:00 2007 Jan 10 05:55:08 morning Jan 10 07:10:30 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r032fe15b... 10/ (42 files in 32 dirs): linux-handhelds-2.6: magician defconfig: I2C_PXA=y Jan 10 07:47:22 pH5: REVERT THIS Jan 10 07:48:09 oh my. what have I done again? Jan 10 07:48:18 42 files in 32 dirs Jan 10 07:48:44 pH5: 'mtn log' will tell you more Jan 10 07:48:49 or OE ML Jan 10 07:59:52 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r807ef0e2... 10/ (42 files in 32 dirs): disapproval of revision '032fe15bf3fd23dc5d753a8cd906ce2402067a78' Jan 10 07:59:59 thx Jan 10 08:01:15 hrw: thanks for watching out Jan 10 08:01:34 pH5: mickeyl discovered it before me and posted to OE ML Jan 10 08:01:40 please do a post that you fixed it Jan 10 08:01:44 yup Jan 10 08:05:07 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r8ec69368... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-handhelds-2.6/magician/defconfig): linux-handhelds-2.6: magician defconfig I2C_PXA=y Jan 10 08:06:26 much better. Jan 10 08:06:35 now much better Jan 10 08:06:46 time to go to work. Jan 10 08:06:46 cu Jan 10 08:31:37 re Jan 10 08:39:00 hrw|work: btw, "42 files in 32 dirs". I've gotten similar messages, even though only one file has been changed (according to mtn log too). Was this an artifact of the past, and monotone has finally learned to count? ;) Jan 10 08:40:33 ~lart ubuntu for breaking fb subsystem Jan 10 08:40:38 morning all Jan 10 08:40:39 * ibot hauls ubuntu up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles for breaking fb subsystem Jan 10 08:40:47 morning morning Jan 10 08:44:54 NAiL: looks like finally it do rigth thing? Jan 10 08:59:31 god, wordpress.org is blocked for for pr0n Jan 10 09:16:17 JustinP: SL-C3100, D-Link DWL-650 Jan 10 09:21:05 howdy Jan 10 09:25:27 hi Jan 10 09:33:56 Problem... Getting this when trying to play back audio: http://tdb.fi/~tdb/dmesg.txt Jan 10 09:43:28 Can someone explain this Jan 10 09:43:30 ERROR: Openembedded's config sanity checker detected a potential misconfiguration. Jan 10 09:43:30 Either fix the cause of this error or at your own risk disable the checker (see sanity.conf). Jan 10 09:43:30 Following is the list of potential problems / advisories: Jan 10 09:43:30 DISTRO 'simpad2' not found. Please set a valid DISTRO in your local.conf Jan 10 09:44:05 What exactly makes a configuration a distro? Jan 10 09:44:19 a file in conf/distro? Jan 10 09:44:55 noha: I don't have simpad2 in conf/distro Jan 10 09:45:07 I know, I built this file :) Jan 10 09:46:02 Yeah, my point is that I have in local.conf Jan 10 09:46:07 DISTRO="sim2" Jan 10 09:46:13 MACHINE = "simpad2" Jan 10 09:46:48 did you call the file sim2.conf Jan 10 09:47:05 Oh, I mixed up some stuff. Hold on a second I'll have to test something Jan 10 09:47:54 may OE be used to build not debian-style thing? Jan 10 09:48:40 olegfink: you mean package naming? Jan 10 09:48:48 hrw|work: nope Jan 10 09:48:55 olegfink: then what? Jan 10 09:49:05 hrw|work: I mean completely different userland Jan 10 09:49:13 eg with my initscripts Jan 10 09:49:27 with my package manager Jan 10 09:49:41 olegfink: you can add your recipes and use them instead of ours Jan 10 09:49:59 you mean .bb? Jan 10 09:50:43 yes Jan 10 09:51:12 well after bitbaking nano ;) I'll try to look into it Jan 10 09:51:31 thanks Jan 10 09:51:32 Ok, once again. I created a conf/local.conf containing MACHINE=simpad2 and DISTRO=sim2. I have conf/machine/simpad2.conf. I have conf/distro/sim2.conf which includes conf/distro/include/simpad.inc.In simpad.inc there is DISTRO="simpad3". Running my target gets Jan 10 09:51:39 ERROR: Openembedded's config sanity checker detected a potential misconfiguration. Jan 10 09:51:39 Either fix the cause of this error or at your own risk disable the checker (see sanity.conf). Jan 10 09:51:39 Following is the list of potential problems / advisories: Jan 10 09:51:41 DISTRO 'simpad3' not found. Please set a valid DISTRO in your local.conf Jan 10 09:53:32 Oh, as I read it again, it sounds stupid Jan 10 09:54:14 need to change simpad.inc? Jan 10 09:54:48 Why is there a DISTRO in the .inc files? Jan 10 09:55:14 haha Jan 10 09:55:34 if I will be able I will get off OE Jan 10 09:56:02 noha: use DISTRO="angstrom-2007.1-oabi" Jan 10 09:56:22 good morning Jan 10 09:56:28 noha: no need to reinvent the wheel Jan 10 09:56:30 hi Bernardo Jan 10 09:56:52 hrw|work: why? My problem is to understand the bunch of files OE uses. Jan 10 09:57:08 hrw|work: Do you possibly know anything of this: http://tdb.fi/~tdb/dmesg.txt ? Jan 10 09:57:36 hrw|work: I don't want to reinvent the wheel. But if you try to build a customized image with OE you NEED to reinvent the wheel as it seems Jan 10 09:57:39 DataBeaver: no. Xora or lrg will know more as they work on audio Jan 10 09:57:45 k Jan 10 09:57:59 noha: do not set DISTRO in distribution config Jan 10 09:59:08 openembedded/conf/distro/include/angstrom.inc sets DISTRO="angstrom" Jan 10 10:00:06 who mentioned audio? Jan 10 10:00:16 XorA: _o/ Jan 10 10:00:38 XorA: Getting this when trying to play back anything: http://tdb.fi/~tdb/dmesg.txt Jan 10 10:01:07 DataBeaver: what kernel and what asoc patch? Jan 10 10:01:23 Kernel 2.6.19.1, asoc 0.12.4 Jan 10 10:02:26 noha: to build customized image you need own-image recipe Jan 10 10:02:43 noha: no need for own distro Jan 10 10:03:09 mixing OABI and EABI? Jan 10 10:03:22 hrw|work: Yes, you are right. That was my starting point. The next point is that you have to use a distro. I was told that openzaurus-unstable would be good. But openzaurus pulls in a lot of dependencies I don't want Jan 10 10:03:34 noha: such as? Jan 10 10:03:42 XorA: Not intentionally at least Jan 10 10:04:09 DataBeaver: although I havent tested 2.6.19 as I cant get it to boot, I still need to debug that problem first Jan 10 10:04:12 noha: base system is a matter of task-base and machine features. Jan 10 10:05:03 hrw|work: openzaurus-unstable sets (in conf/distro/include/openzaurus.inc) DISTRO_FEATURES = "nfs smbfs wifi ppp alsa bluetooth ext2 irda pcmcia usbgadget usbhost". This pulls in bluetooth alsa etc. I don't need Jan 10 10:05:11 for instance Jan 10 10:05:19 XorA: k... Boots fine on my SL-C3100. (With proper config) Jan 10 10:05:31 noha: remove them from your machine config then Jan 10 10:05:50 noha: http://www.hrw.one.pl/2006/12/12/how-to-use-task-base/ Jan 10 10:06:43 hrw|work: Ok, thanks, I'll try. Jan 10 10:07:55 noha: task-base use COMBINED_FEATURES which keeps things which are in DISTRO and MACHINE features Jan 10 10:08:09 hrw|work: But there is another problem I can't solve. I stripped everything down to remove bluetooth from th eimage. The base idea was to use the gpe-image und remove everything not needed. I can get it to the point where bitbake -g gives me a .dot file where no bluetooth is included. But in the resulting image there is everything there again Jan 10 10:08:53 hrw|work: So setting machine DISTRO_FEATURES will override the openzaurus-unstable stuff? Jan 10 10:09:33 noha: gpe-image use task-gpe which is not converted to task-base way Jan 10 10:09:57 noha: so task-gpe gets bluez-utils-dbus Jan 10 10:09:58 XorA: Config here in case that's any help: http://tdb.fi/~tdb/config.txt Jan 10 10:10:13 noha: show me your currrent MACHINE_FEATURES Jan 10 10:10:23 Will be afk for a while Jan 10 10:10:24 hrw|work: Yes, but I have task-mygpe ;) Jan 10 10:10:32 noha: ;) Jan 10 10:11:11 MACHINE_FEATURES = "kernel24 apm pcmcia touchscreen screen" Jan 10 10:11:36 * XorA sees lawsuits between Apple and FIC Jan 10 10:11:40 noha: can you pastebin /usr/lib/ipkg/status of resulted image? Jan 10 10:11:55 XorA: Apple <> Linksys/Cisco Jan 10 10:12:20 Yes, but I need to rebuild it first. I removed everything to start from scratch and no there are build issues Jan 10 10:12:44 noha: then do 'bitbake -n your-image' and pastebin output Jan 10 10:13:10 hrw|work: iPhone looks identical to OpenMoko phone Jan 10 10:13:42 yep Jan 10 10:13:57 XorA: and use name which linksys/cisco own Jan 10 10:14:09 hrw|work: With the openzaurus-unstable config? Jan 10 10:14:33 noha: with distro which you use Jan 10 10:14:41 hrw|work: at least they avoided using ITV Jan 10 10:21:38 hrw|work: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=855811 Jan 10 10:23:35 noha: you got BT already built or not? Jan 10 10:24:20 Yes at first. But then I did a -c clean on all blue* targets and the result was the same. To be sure I started from scratch but now I'm stuck Jan 10 10:24:53 Btw. I did rm -rf tmp and after restarting the build sources/* had gone Jan 10 10:25:24 noha: my default DL_DIR is in tmp/downloads/ Jan 10 10:25:35 noha: you can set it in local.conf Jan 10 10:25:58 DL_DIR = "${OEROOT}/sources" Jan 10 10:26:34 hrw|work:You misunderstood. I like to remove tmp _without_ removing sources Jan 10 10:27:09 I understand Jan 10 10:27:20 noha: http://www.hrw.one.pl/2006/11/22/my-openembedded-environment-ii/ Jan 10 10:28:01 Back here Jan 10 10:28:41 hrw|work: I know this. But al of this is no answer to my question. I have /opt/oe/sources and /opt/oe/build/ and my question is why my sources dir can be emptied by removing build/tmp/ and restatring the build Jan 10 10:29:27 noha: ? then I do not know what you fscked. Jan 10 10:32:58 fscked? Jan 10 10:34:39 fucked Jan 10 10:34:53 frakked Jan 10 10:35:10 broke :) Jan 10 10:35:39 hrw|work: And you mean what? You want to say that there is no way bitbake has done this and I did something wrong causing the deletion? Jan 10 10:37:55 arrgl, that is a dependency hell. Is there a way to see which ancestor package has a dependency on another package. Jan 10 10:38:16 I mean I have package a and I want to find the package b which caused package a to be pulled in Jan 10 10:38:40 noha: bitbake -n -v Jan 10 10:40:49 hrw|work: thanks. That's good Jan 10 10:42:00 Was there ever a discussion to use portage instead of the system oe uses? Jan 10 10:42:11 noha: portage is too limited Jan 10 10:42:19 In which way? Jan 10 10:42:55 noha: I do not remember details as I never used portage (and do not plan to) Jan 10 10:43:21 noha: remember that bitbake was modeled on portage + lots of addons from our experience Jan 10 10:43:41 there is gentoo on Z that runs portage Jan 10 10:43:43 hrw|work: Yes, but portage has moved forward also ;) Jan 10 10:44:04 but if you cant work OE, you wont be able to work portage either Jan 10 10:44:43 XorA: It's just I used gentoo for years. Comapring to that OW appears the be rugged extremely Jan 10 10:45:05 noha: if you want then ask on ML - you will get some answers Jan 10 10:45:08 used != developed for Jan 10 10:45:31 XorA: Yes, you are right Jan 10 10:46:07 hrw|work: I was just interested Jan 10 10:46:53 noha: I'm wrong person to answer anyway. Jan 10 10:47:00 koen|away: are you making OE t-shirts for FOSDEM, and are they black? Jan 10 10:47:28 hrw|work: Ok, time to let the gpe task go :) Jan 10 10:47:42 XorA: we need better made logo for t-shirts Jan 10 10:47:45 hrw|work: I did the wrong decision Jan 10 10:48:04 hrw|work: define better Jan 10 10:48:34 XorA: did you saw last t-shirts made from koen? Jan 10 10:48:47 hrw|work: no Jan 10 10:49:08 XorA: ;( Jan 10 10:49:33 when did the kernel reach 40M Jan 10 10:49:49 hrw|work: BTW do you run mainstream kernel on x86? Jan 10 10:50:28 XorA: yes Jan 10 10:50:35 hrw|work: no problems? Jan 10 10:50:41 XorA: 2.6.20-rc4 here, 2.6.19 amd64 at home Jan 10 10:50:45 XorA: not found any Jan 10 10:50:46 Ok, enough OE for today, see ya Jan 10 10:51:01 hrw|work: I ask because ubuntu kernel is so braindead matroxfb doesnt work Jan 10 10:51:02 hrw|work: Thanks for your help Jan 10 10:51:26 noclouds: np Jan 10 10:51:37 XorA: I do not use distro kernels Jan 10 10:51:55 hrw|work: I will make a nice small clean .config for my x86 Jan 10 10:52:08 hrw|work: anyone done an lspci->.config converter? Jan 10 10:52:20 rather not Jan 10 10:53:17 XorA: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=57747&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=7d3705f38ddcc6765ec6dc2b56315af1 Jan 10 10:54:16 XorA: RP and Florian are in t-shirts made by koen Jan 10 11:01:10 * XorA hunts the scary people Jan 10 11:03:31 hrw|work: I see Jan 10 11:13:21 do you agree with me? Jan 10 11:16:05 ~summon koen Jan 10 11:16:07 apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing koen's coordinates Jan 10 11:16:35 hrw|work: they dont stand out well Jan 10 11:16:42 hrw|work: but they do look business like Jan 10 11:16:49 hrw|work: its a difficult judgement Jan 10 11:22:31 Depends on the transfers used, but normally the logo backgrounds turn yellow after a couple of washes with white t-shirts Jan 10 11:28:26 XorA: This looks pretty bad: Rule 1 [bf07fb80]: SAMPLE_BITS = [8 8] -> empty Jan 10 11:30:14 http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/drupal/contributions/themes/B7/screenshot_blue.png or http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/themes/Amare/screenshot-drupal.org.png?rev=1.1 I would like to see at OE website Jan 10 11:31:17 03crofton 07org.oe.dev * r9b10e6fc... 10/ (1 packages/ossie/ossie-standardinterfaces_svn.bb): Jan 10 11:31:17 ossie-standardinterfaces_svn.bb : * Fix to allow build on machine with omniorb Jan 10 11:31:17 already installed Jan 10 11:31:17 * Hack around libtool problem on powerpc Jan 10 11:31:39 Crofton: do a release for ossie*... Jan 10 11:31:50 as in? Jan 10 11:31:54 03crofton 07org.oe.dev * r27f6532e... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Jan 10 11:31:54 usrp_0.12.bb : Fix compile.h header file problem. Jan 10 11:31:54 Add hack so it links on EFIKA/powerpc. Jan 10 11:32:09 03crofton 07org.oe.dev * rb59b8df3... 10/ (1 packages/ossie/ossie-sigproc_svn.bb): ossie-sigproc_svn.bb : Add hack so library builds on EFIKA/powerpc. Jan 10 11:32:17 03crofton 07org.oe.dev * rf4b3e06f... 10/ (1 packages/ossie/ossie-soundout-device_svn.bb): Jan 10 11:32:17 ossie-soundout-device_svn.bb : Allow building when omniorb installed on build Jan 10 11:32:17 machine. Jan 10 11:32:22 Crofton: tarballed release Jan 10 11:32:28 hmm Jan 10 11:32:30 Crofton: now it it not fetchable Jan 10 11:32:39 it should be fetchable from svn Jan 10 11:32:53 I added an account and pw to the svn lines Jan 10 11:33:10 hard for me to test though, since I have cached account Jan 10 11:33:11 :) Jan 10 11:35:01 (R)eject, accept (t)emporarily or accept (p)ermanently? t Jan 10 11:35:01 Authentication realm: OSSIE Jan 10 11:35:01 Password for 'hrw': Jan 10 11:35:13 whcih package? Jan 10 11:35:17 ossiecf Jan 10 11:35:30 Crofton: btw - ossiecf lack PV Jan 10 11:36:04 SRC_URI = "svn://oe:oe@ossie-dev.mprg.org/repos/ossie/ossie/trunk;module=ossie;proto=https" Jan 10 11:36:23 doesn't that tell svn fetcher to use account oe, w pw oe? Jan 10 11:37:17 I'm not user does svn fetcher supports it Jan 10 11:37:29 hmm Jan 10 11:38:30 PV is set by the _svn? Jan 10 11:38:43 hrw|work: you are the web master, I trust your stylee, my own wordpress theme sucks Jan 10 11:39:18 Crofton: yes Jan 10 11:39:37 so for the _svn case PV="svn"? Jan 10 11:39:38 XorA: I'm web programmer, not webcreator or webmaster Jan 10 11:39:43 Crofton: yes Jan 10 11:39:58 Crofton: you should do PV in recipe Jan 10 11:40:07 hrw|work: still Ill bet you have more "art" in your little finger than in my whole body Jan 10 11:40:22 hmmm Jan 10 11:40:39 do you have an example? Jan 10 11:43:41 Crofton: any _cvs or _svn one? Jan 10 11:44:01 looks like svn fetcher parses for user/pw, but does not use them Jan 10 11:45:43 so PV = "svn${SRCDATE}" would be good? Jan 10 11:46:50 Crofton: 0.0+svn${SRCDATE} or similar Jan 10 11:46:55 ok Jan 10 11:47:02 that was my nect guess :) Jan 10 11:47:20 0.0 so that 1.0 is always an upgrade Jan 10 11:47:26 You guys take version numberes way to serious :) Jan 10 11:48:00 ah, so bb will select a versioned package over the svn one automatically Jan 10 11:48:06 yes Jan 10 11:48:54 normally this is desirable, ,but with the ossie stuff svn is prefered :) Jan 10 11:49:00 but I will move to this format Jan 10 11:49:19 in case we ever can make a really good set of tarballs :) Jan 10 11:49:28 * Crofton has great frustration in this area Jan 10 11:53:36 PV comes after LICENSE? Jan 10 11:53:45 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r038cceff... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ffmpeg: drop CVS, add SVN - close #1125 Jan 10 11:55:07 Crofton: contrib/oe-stylize.py is helptool Jan 10 11:55:58 morning Jan 10 11:56:38 mickeyl: welcome Jan 10 11:58:28 we fixed 4 bugs during last week Jan 10 11:58:36 48 Jan 10 11:58:45 mickeyl: http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/drupal/contributions/themes/B7/screenshot_blue.png or http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/themes/Amare/screenshot-drupal.org.png?rev=1.1 I would like to see at OE website Jan 10 11:59:25 * Crofton|home must remember to use oe-stylize more often Jan 10 11:59:32 at least to move in that direction Jan 10 12:02:44 hrw|work: the latter looks very stylish. i like it Jan 10 12:04:34 g'day mickeyl Jan 10 12:04:39 cheers pb__ Jan 10 12:05:13 pb__: can you recommend a product with builtin loudspeaker based on the reciva technology? Jan 10 12:05:28 i was looking into buying the allnet allsound (non-reciva), but it's soldout Jan 10 12:05:34 i need something for the kitchen Jan 10 12:06:06 morning florian_kc Jan 10 12:06:22 good morning Jan 10 12:06:52 mickeyl: perhaps the magicbox imp, or Logik IR100 Jan 10 12:06:53 florian_kc: good morning Jan 10 12:07:03 mickeyl: yesterday I saw fridge with FM radio builtin Jan 10 12:08:26 pb__: thanks. the BT internet radio looks cool as well Jan 10 12:08:54 yo mickeyl Jan 10 12:10:35 hrw|work: thanks for pushing the ffmpeg svn Jan 10 12:10:55 giel: sorry that this took so long time Jan 10 12:11:07 hrw|work: np for me, i had it in my local overlay anyway ;) Jan 10 12:11:16 hrw|work: i'll check if i've made any updates in the mean time Jan 10 12:13:26 is there any *nice* way to get some amount of storage on a C3200? (say, 20gb+) Jan 10 12:13:53 daurn: plug in usb drive Jan 10 12:14:08 * mickeyl orders BT Internet Radio Jan 10 12:15:06 yeah, but that sacrifices alot of battery - right? Jan 10 12:15:12 mickeyl: this needs some other machine at home which will give PAN for radio? Jan 10 12:15:29 a c3200 would be the ultimate device for me - if only it had more storage Jan 10 12:15:32 hrw|work: no, it's using wlan to connect to internet radio stations Jan 10 12:15:37 ibot: convert 150 UKP to EUR Jan 10 12:15:43 daurn: what the hell are you putting on it :-) Jan 10 12:15:45 ~change 150 UKP to EUR Jan 10 12:15:45 150 GBP Jan 10 12:15:45 and inbuilt phone & gps Jan 10 12:15:50 150.00 Dollar (ZWN) makes 0.461912 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/) Jan 10 12:15:52 ~change 150 GBP to EUR Jan 10 12:15:58 150.00 Pound (GBP) makes 223.776 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/) Jan 10 12:15:59 XorA: want to use it as my music player Jan 10 12:16:02 uah Jan 10 12:16:08 that's more than i thought Jan 10 12:17:24 daurn: at 4gig spare that the same as an ipod nano :-) Jan 10 12:17:40 guess why i don't have a nano ;) Jan 10 12:17:49 i want 20gb or more with me @ all times Jan 10 12:18:33 and if i want video, i'll need 80gb+ ;) Jan 10 12:19:43 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r5c9a656c... 10/ (1 packages/qte/qte-mt_2.3.10.bb packages/qte/qte_2.3.10.bb): qte* 2.3.10: Bump PR for latest changes. Jan 10 12:19:46 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r1a92bb17... 10/ (1 packages/opie-taskbar/opie-taskbar.inc): opie-taskbar: Add background bitmap sizes for couple of VGA devices. Jan 10 12:19:50 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r0d29fdd2... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): opie-taskbar: Bump PR for latest changes. Jan 10 12:20:08 anyway Jan 10 12:20:17 i'm looking to buy a C3200 Jan 10 12:20:20 any advice? Jan 10 12:20:29 daurn: 3200 isnt particulary good at video Jan 10 12:20:55 i really liked the clamshell, but, do you have any other suggestions? Jan 10 12:21:35 daurn: I like my 3200 as a mini laptop, but personally I think its too big for a decent PMP Jan 10 12:22:23 how big is it when closed (compared to ... say... ipaq 39xx) Jan 10 12:22:44 no idea, I own no ipaqs Jan 10 12:23:15 i was just trying to think of a "normal" pda Jan 10 12:25:29 so... how big is it in the average palm? Jan 10 12:25:43 125x87x25 mm Jan 10 12:25:51 is size of 3200 Jan 10 12:27:03 Is it good to use Defconfigman to generate defconfig file ? Jan 10 12:27:23 or else how should i go about it ? Jan 10 12:31:51 Hi All! Jan 10 12:32:23 Yesterday I ask about gconf-osso, and the problem is still exists. Jan 10 12:32:52 Nobody has problem with it? Jan 10 12:34:10 Unfortunately many package depend on it (for me gnumeric, abiword would be important). Jan 10 12:34:46 no idea, i never used defconfigman. it's a very new project Jan 10 12:35:13 i would use the defconfig from a known-good-kernel build for a start Jan 10 12:35:30 I try to search on google, but almost without success. Jan 10 12:35:37 mickeyl : ok Jan 10 12:35:54 try setting PREFERRED_PROVIDER to the gconf version you want Jan 10 12:36:05 PREFERRED_PROVIDER_gconf = foo Jan 10 12:36:38 I was setting PREFERRED_PROVIDER_gconf ="gconf-dbus" Jan 10 12:36:42 sza2: gconf-osso 2.6.4? Jan 10 12:36:49 Yes. Jan 10 12:39:28 Actually I do not know what is osso and why it is necessary... Jan 10 12:40:10 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r94b3a398... 10/ (1 packages/gpm/gpm-1.20.1/init packages/gpm/gpm_1.20.1.bb): gpm: provide libgpm.so.1 link, use update-rc.d class, add initscript (from .dev) Jan 10 12:40:14 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * ra3d69e8a... 10/ (1 packages/gpm/gpm_1.20.1.bb): gpm: provide libgpm.so.1 link, use update-rc.d class - close #543 Jan 10 12:40:18 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rc75b2afa... 10/ (1 packages/maemo/gconf-osso_2.6.4-3.1osso13.bb): gconf-osso: DEF_PREF = -1 - should close #1780 Jan 10 12:41:11 ? Jan 10 12:41:28 sza2: update metadata Jan 10 12:42:32 sza2: it looks like you still do not use DISTRO = Jan 10 12:43:04 You mean other than "generic"? Jan 10 12:43:23 How do I deal with " non debug package contains .debug directory"? Jan 10 12:43:29 remove it? package it? Jan 10 12:43:32 I made an update yesterday. Same result. Jan 10 12:43:56 generic already contains the PREFERRED_PROVIDER line Jan 10 12:44:35 its in preferred-gpe-versions-2.8.inc Jan 10 12:44:45 What does it mean for me? Jan 10 12:45:03 sza2: did you clean tmp after switching DISTRO? Jan 10 12:45:32 Oops. No. Jan 10 12:45:45 How can I do? Jan 10 12:46:06 hrw|work, PV added to ossie _svn bb files Jan 10 12:46:08 rm -rf tmp Jan 10 12:46:21 All? Jan 10 12:46:50 Should I add a bug report for the non functioning user/pass in the svn fetcher Jan 10 12:46:52 not 100% sure, but I think when you switch distro this is required Jan 10 12:47:01 So I need to compile everything again? Jan 10 12:47:04 never done a distro switch without doing it myself Jan 10 12:47:30 03crofton 07org.oe.dev * r5526531f... 10/ (17 files in 2 dirs): ossie : Add PV to ossie _svn bb files. Jan 10 12:47:58 However I did not change DISTRO, it was set to "generic" from the beginnig. Jan 10 12:48:27 sza2: last night you said you had no distro set Jan 10 12:49:47 Sorry. It was generic. I though generic = no distro. Jan 10 12:49:57 sza2: ah, ok, thats fine then Jan 10 12:50:06 But I will clean all. Jan 10 12:50:27 sza2: get latest repo then try again without clean first Jan 10 12:50:50 * XorA wonders what has gone wrong Jan 10 12:52:09 repo means OE.mtn? Jan 10 12:52:21 sza2: yes, mtn pull; mtn update Jan 10 12:52:46 Ok. I'll do that. Jan 10 12:53:21 Thx. Jan 10 12:57:12 ~change 545 AUD to USD Jan 10 12:57:17 545.00 Australia Dollar (AUD) makes 424.495 United States Dollar (USD) (from http://www.xe.com/) Jan 10 12:57:23 is that alot to pay for a C3200 with wifi card? Jan 10 12:57:46 ~convert 320 GBP to USD Jan 10 12:58:06 ~convert 320 UKP to USD Jan 10 12:58:21 ~convert 320 GBP to USD Jan 10 12:58:50 * XorA wonders what sterling is called to ibot Jan 10 12:59:16 gbp Jan 10 12:59:23 ~change 320 gbp to usd Jan 10 12:59:29 320.00 Pound (GBP) makes 620.117 United States Dollar (USD) (from http://www.xe.com/) Jan 10 12:59:31 ~convert 1 inch to cm Jan 10 12:59:35 1 inch is approximately 2.54 cm Jan 10 12:59:36 ~convert 320 gbp to USD Jan 10 12:59:57 XorA: convert != change - did not you get that in primary school? Jan 10 13:00:07 hrw|work: :-D Jan 10 13:00:32 anyway I paid 620 USD for mine Jan 10 13:02:46 ~convert 10 mph to furlong/fortnight Jan 10 13:02:49 10 mph is approximately 26880 furlong/fortnight Jan 10 13:02:52 wow! Jan 10 13:03:57 food break Jan 10 13:06:03 ~convert 1 picometer/hour to inch/second Jan 10 13:06:07 1 picometer/hour is approximately 1.09361e-14 inch/second Jan 10 13:06:38 ~convert 1 picometer/second to inch/week Jan 10 13:06:41 1 picometer/second is approximately 2.3811e-05 inch/week Jan 10 13:08:04 ~convert 1 parsec/nanosecond to femtometer/century Jan 10 13:08:04 1 parsec/nanosecond is approximately 9.73135e+49 femtometer/century Jan 10 13:08:37 ~convert 1 parsec/nanosecond to parsec/century Jan 10 13:08:40 1 parsec/nanosecond is approximately 3.15569e+18 parsec/century Jan 10 13:09:12 good morning all Jan 10 13:09:33 hey koen Jan 10 13:13:21 hrw|work: the amare theme looks nice Jan 10 13:16:10 hey Jan 10 13:21:49 ~oebug 1781 Jan 10 13:23:38 yo zecke Jan 10 13:24:36 hi master Jan 10 13:32:29 * mrz80 is away: Metaphysically I'm still here; physically, I'm elsewhere Jan 10 13:48:03 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r085fdb05... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-handhelds-2.6/htcuniversal/defconfig): Jan 10 13:48:03 linux-handhelds-2.6: Update htcuniversal defconfig. Jan 10 13:48:03 * Closes #1692. Jan 10 13:50:32 There's something weird going on in pcm_native.c... Jan 10 13:53:00 howdy Jan 10 13:53:12 psokolovsky: does it build? Jan 10 13:53:18 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r0138f737... 10/ (1 conf/machine/htcuniversal.conf): Jan 10 13:53:18 htcuniversal.conf: Update modules to install and load. Jan 10 13:53:18 * Closes #1692. Jan 10 13:54:36 hrw|work, I know that old one hardly. Let's let machine mentors to test it ;-) Jan 10 13:57:19 psokolovsky: I will build magician and htcuniversal in a moment Jan 10 13:57:43 hrw|work, ok, thanks. was freeing disk to do that too ;-) Jan 10 13:58:38 http://bugs.openembedded.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=1318 Jan 10 13:58:49 hrw|work, do you think that stuff like kernel-module-rtc-dev should be RRECOMMENDed by task-base? Jan 10 13:59:23 psokolovsky: does !arm support it? Jan 10 14:00:28 hrw|work, sure, why wouldn't it? it's generic rtc subsys modules, they are supported on all arch. and if machine bother to build them, they apparently must be installed. Jan 10 14:03:36 psokolovsky: I think that we have to create proper set of recommended modules Jan 10 14:03:43 send rfc to oeml Jan 10 14:03:52 hrw|work, me too ;-) Jan 10 14:04:36 hrw|work, ok, will put in q, have few other rfc on critical path towards cleaning up kernel module handling ;-) Jan 10 14:04:42 NOTE: package linux-handhelds-2.6-2.6.16-hh9-r0: task do_compile: started Jan 10 14:04:44 magician Jan 10 14:06:14 koen: can you reply to 'which amount of machine mentors is required in Angstrom' to oeml? Jan 10 14:11:17 hrw|work: replied to a portion of it Jan 10 14:11:42 psokolovsky: magician built Jan 10 14:12:00 psokolovsky: you suffer from unnuanced thinking Jan 10 14:13:12 koen, someone should bother to draw generic pictures, lol. Jan 10 14:13:58 There's something very weird here. Previously, snd_mask_refine returned 0x0001 when inputs were 0x0004 and 0xffff. I added a few printks and now it returns 0x0000. Jan 10 14:15:56 Removed my printks and it's back to returning 0x0001 Jan 10 14:21:51 DataBeaver: sounds like you fscked the kernel/gcc/or the ram in your machine Jan 10 14:24:09 How could my RAM have gone bad so that it only affects this, and in a deterministic way? Jan 10 14:24:30 fscked kernel or gcc I could understand Jan 10 14:26:37 psokolovsky: htcuniversal still fails on audit Jan 10 14:26:48 psokolovsky: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showlog.pl?machine_id=182&logfile=20070110154556.log&format=raw Jan 10 14:27:21 Damn, I don't know enough of ARM assembly to look for the problem from that angle... Jan 10 14:27:53 DataBeaver: well you spent all day yesterday complaining of wierd bugs as well Jan 10 14:28:01 psokolovsky: will try 2.6.19-hh7 Jan 10 14:28:57 Yesterday I had mostly configuration trouble and the laws of mathematics still held. Jan 10 14:29:04 hrw|work, lol and sorry. let me fix defconfig. it's mainline breakage. Jan 10 14:29:22 CONFIG_AUDIT is fairly bogus on handhelds anyway Jan 10 14:30:07 Is there something I could use to verify that my hardware is okay? Jan 10 14:30:39 hrw|work, well, and what you tried now? Jan 10 14:33:19 psokolovsky: I do not have dual quad machine - w8 a bit Jan 10 14:34:18 hrw|work, nope, I mean 2.6.19 already has AUDIT unset. and htcuniversal should be at .19 in ansgstrom, so I wonder how new defconfig should fail for you... Jan 10 14:35:56 hrw|work, ok, I see. fixing. Jan 10 14:36:18 NOTE: package linux-handhelds-2.6-2.6.19-hh7-r0: task do_compile: completed Jan 10 14:36:29 psokolovsky: thx for fixing Jan 10 14:38:37 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r0604b4d2... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Jan 10 14:38:37 linux-handhelds-2.6: Disable CONFIG_AUDIT in defconfigs - it is broken on ARM, Jan 10 14:38:37 neither really needed on handhelds. Jan 10 14:41:57 XorA: Got any ideas what I could do about this? Jan 10 14:44:12 DataBeaver: I am lost, I know that linux-rp_2.6.18 works fine Jan 10 14:44:32 and linux 2.6.20-rc2 works fine with ASoC on Samsung and Mainstone Jan 10 14:44:41 hmh. Jan 10 14:45:23 and RP didnt complain that anything broke in 2.6.19 Jan 10 14:48:29 Whoa, now I did something bad. Jan 10 14:48:53 Got a page allocation failure. Jan 10 14:53:36 re Jan 10 15:01:53 Hm, possibly some inlining trouble. After manually inlining the snd_mask_refine function it works. Jan 10 15:03:53 http://youtube.com/watch?v=k2y2Jw4a0c0 Jan 10 15:13:35 koen: ping? Jan 10 15:14:56 Jin^eLD: pong Jan 10 15:15:36 koen: I tried to compile mediatomb using your suggestion with ${STAGING_BINDIR_CROSS} for taglib config Jan 10 15:15:55 and it did not work Jan 10 15:16:39 or wait, maybe I have to recompile taglib first? you changed the install paths in staging, right? Jan 10 15:16:50 yes Jan 10 15:17:06 ok lemme retry then Jan 10 15:17:41 ~change 400 eur to gbp Jan 10 15:17:47 400.00 Euro (EUR) makes 267.772 Pound (GBP) (from http://www.xe.com/) Jan 10 15:19:10 Damnit, I hate the mixer on this thing... Jan 10 15:21:30 koen: ok, that worked, so you probably should update the mediatomb_svn.bb in OE Jan 10 15:22:05 I already checked in the change above into our SVN Jan 10 15:23:49 I got sound 10 minutes ago. Then I basically reloaded the module and didn't get sound anymore. Jan 10 15:27:10 The player and driver don't report any trouble, but I won't get any audible sound. Jan 10 15:36:46 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r13615baa... 10/ (1 packages/mediatomb/mediatomb_svn.bb): mediatomb: updates Jan 10 15:37:07 Jin^eLD: I checked in some more updates to make it a bit more robust Jan 10 15:37:31 ok, I will update Jan 10 15:58:43 http://tdb.fi/~tdb/funnylogic.txt <-- Where did the laws of boolean logic go? Jan 10 16:00:18 DataBeaver: 404 Jan 10 16:00:44 Oh right, I renamed it. http://tdb.fi/~tdb/asound_trouble.txt Jan 10 16:02:03 do you have the xscale cache workaround patch applied? Jan 10 16:02:15 No. Jan 10 16:03:04 and you're surprised at random memory corruption? Jan 10 16:03:24 http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/patches/archive/xscale_cache_workaround-r1.patch <-- This one? Jan 10 16:03:25 later Jan 10 16:03:38 DataBeaver: that one Jan 10 16:03:42 Well yes, 'cause I didn't know it has a broken cache. Jan 10 16:04:38 koen: which version of monotone was used for OE.mtn snapshot? Jan 10 16:04:49 hrw|work: 0.32 Jan 10 16:04:51 DataBeaver: so now you know - upgrade kernel Jan 10 16:04:56 koen: thx Jan 10 16:05:01 hrw|work: like getting started implies :) Jan 10 16:05:15 hrw|work: Yup, I will. Jan 10 16:05:33 koen: btw - I moved /wiki/Mainpage to be /documentation/ Jan 10 16:05:37 I should probably check the other patches too and decide which of them are useful for me... Jan 10 16:05:53 koen: can you remove 'wiki' submenu in 'documentation' Jan 10 16:05:54 ? Jan 10 16:06:04 hrw|work: iirc you can do that as well Jan 10 16:06:07 DataBeaver: I suggest using them as they are in OE Jan 10 16:06:10 admin -> menus Jan 10 16:06:15 koen: I know that I can but do not know how Jan 10 16:06:24 ah. Jan 10 16:06:26 will check Jan 10 16:07:14 hrw|work: I like to know why I need extra stuff to make things work. Jan 10 16:08:01 DataBeaver: because this is official 2.6 version of Zaurus kernel Jan 10 16:08:33 DataBeaver: you request support for 2.6 kernel here and after few hours we got info that your kernel is out-of-date Jan 10 16:08:40 * XorA wonders why DataBeaver is running a kernel on Z that is not linux-rp based Jan 10 16:08:43 koen, so apparently I am inept at OE-ing, since I have repeatedly failed to build a bootable h5000 image Jan 10 16:08:45 :( Jan 10 16:08:56 just throw away all the work RP does to make it stable Jan 10 16:08:58 DataBeaver: we support ONLY linux-rp kernels here for 2.6 zaurus Jan 10 16:09:09 koen: thx. fixed Jan 10 16:09:23 hrw|work: Okay, sorry about that. Jan 10 16:09:24 mccarthy: I'll try to have a look after I have fixed my serial cable Jan 10 16:09:29 anyone that builds an angstrom-based h5000 image with gpe with the fb patch, please let me know Jan 10 16:09:52 koen, thanks. maybe I should buy myself a FIC phone, eh? Jan 10 16:09:59 time to port my dinner Jan 10 16:10:05 mccarthy: yep :) Jan 10 16:10:20 koen, do you have a dev model? Jan 10 16:10:55 (the lack of wifi is the only glaring issue that I see, presuming that the rumors of BT are true) Jan 10 16:11:03 only mickey|sports has one Jan 10 16:11:32 will OE support the iPhone? Jan 10 16:11:44 (or angstrom, I guess) Jan 10 16:11:58 mccarthy: if you get few for us then who knows... Jan 10 16:12:09 :) Jan 10 16:22:47 cu Jan 10 16:23:53 florian_kc: do you know off the top of your head which bitbake strips libs for the SDK? I'd like them to not be stripped. (The staging libc, for example, is not stripped, but the sdk one is.) Jan 10 16:30:24 tnb: you can turn this off setting DEBUG_BUILD = "1" and INHIBIT_PACKAGE_STRIP = "1" in your local.conf Jan 10 16:30:55 florian_kc: thanks Jan 10 16:32:29 forian_kc: do you know why the staging libc is not stripped, but the sdk one is? Jan 10 16:44:31 florian_kc: the main problem is in building qtopia with the SDK. I get unknown symbols for dlopen, dlclose, etc. When I link against the staging lib dir, I don't get those errors. (I also tried -ldl, but that didnt' help.) Worst case, I'll distribute some libs from staging, but prefer to use meta-sdk. Jan 10 16:45:39 tnb: the sdk consists of packages which are stripped per default Jan 10 16:46:07 tnb: that's something i can't help much, i never tried to build qtopia at all Jan 10 16:47:08 florian_kc: just seems odd that staging libs work, but stripped libs do not (if indeed that's what is happening) Jan 10 16:51:07 tnb: yes indeed Jan 10 16:52:40 florian_kc: make meta-sdk depend on the -dbg packages Jan 10 16:55:33 koen: might be a good idea... Jan 10 17:02:26 Have you considered sending your patches to the mainstream kernel developers? Jan 10 17:02:54 re Jan 10 17:02:59 Or perhaps making a patchset out of them, like the -mm, -ck and whatnot patchsets? Jan 10 17:03:00 DataBeaver: you mean Zaurus patches? Jan 10 17:03:09 Yeah Jan 10 17:03:23 DataBeaver: they are sent mainline when they are ready Jan 10 17:03:28 okay Jan 10 17:03:54 DataBeaver: look at linux-rp_2.6.19+git.bb Jan 10 17:04:21 DataBeaver: most of those patches are not yet ready or are being discussed Jan 10 17:04:49 k Jan 10 17:06:08 Can I make bitbake get the required patches for me and put them somewhere I can find them from? Jan 10 17:06:40 DataBeaver: they are stored in DL_DIR Jan 10 17:07:44 DataBeaver: bitbake -b linux-rp_2.6.19+git.bb -c configure Jan 10 17:07:48 that will give a a directory with a patches kernel source Jan 10 17:08:21 s/a a/you a/ Jan 10 17:09:19 and I remember that before there was no -rp patchset because there are many people working on this kernel Jan 10 17:09:31 Can I still use my own config and Debian's make-kpkg or will you complain about that too? Jan 10 17:10:25 basically you can use kernel-package way or any other. but when it comes to config - try to follow atleast most important parts Jan 10 17:10:35 arch setup, machine setup, drivers Jan 10 17:11:40 k Jan 10 17:21:56 Can I make bitbake assume that all native tools are provided by the host OS? Jan 10 17:22:40 that's what -b does Jan 10 17:22:49 you can but not for autoconf/automake/libtool like tools Jan 10 17:23:19 Is there an equivalent in interactive mode? Jan 10 17:24:54 which interactive mode? Jan 10 17:26:05 bitbake -i Jan 10 17:26:27 you have to do it in config file Jan 10 17:27:48 Is it possible to do for everything at once? ASSUME_PROVIDED = "*" or something? Jan 10 17:29:10 I would not even suggest that Jan 10 17:30:23 oh? Jan 10 17:30:32 that kind of defeats the purpose of OE? Jan 10 17:31:17 Well I only want ot use bitbake for getting a properly patched kernel. Jan 10 17:31:25 particularly considering that no matter what machine you're on, its nearly impossible that you have a version of libtool thatll handle crosscompilation correctly. oe's libtool-native is special Jan 10 17:31:32 DataBeaver: bitbake -b recipe.bb -cpatch Jan 10 17:32:17 k, will have to modify my startup script then... Jan 10 17:32:41 kergoth: Oh? And patching kernel source needs libtool why? Jan 10 17:36:37 morning kergoth Jan 10 17:42:03 DataBeaver: it doesnt, i'm explaining the flaws in your incorrect usage of ASSUME_PROVIDED. Jan 10 17:42:35 your system does NOT provide our version of libtool, so adding every native package to it would be incorrect. Jan 10 17:44:15 k Jan 10 17:49:10 if all you care about is downloading patched source, you can specify a .bb and a task to run by hand. I haven't touched bitbake in a while though, so I don't remember the exact flags. Jan 10 17:49:35 10 19:01 < hrw> DataBeaver: bitbake -b recipe.bb -cpatch Jan 10 17:49:46 oops. Missed that. Jan 10 17:49:51 what hrw said :) Jan 10 17:50:30 hi ggilbert Jan 10 17:50:35 Hello Jan 10 17:53:43 Just checked with my host, they thing they may have fixed the connection problems bugs.oe.org has been having. Jan 10 17:54:01 They're a bit hesitant to declare success though, since that's a guarantee it'll drop in 20 minutes. Jan 10 18:17:08 heh.. too bad that .oz354x cant get use of bitbake trunk ;( Jan 10 18:23:15 koen: Any maintainers for angstrom collie, yet? Jan 10 18:23:41 no official ones Jan 10 18:23:44 * CosmicPenguin throws things at OE Jan 10 18:24:23 CosmicPenguin: are you still at the XO department? Jan 10 18:25:05 indeed Jan 10 18:27:16 any cool new stuff happening? Jan 10 18:27:51 things just keep getting better, I guess Jan 10 18:37:39 <[cc]smart> i get I/O failure while talking to peer from monotone push. meanwhile i learned that this could also mean write access denied. who can tell me if my key is at all still in OE DB ? Jan 10 18:53:14 DataBeaver: huh? Jan 10 19:01:41 shit.. I got hit by my own patch.. Jan 10 19:03:19 the revenge of the splatted bugs !!! :) Jan 10 19:05:27 re Jan 10 19:07:14 hello is OE dev broken now?? Jan 10 19:07:36 I have updated the all and now it is not working... Jan 10 19:07:51 if you have a problem, give details Jan 10 19:07:58 "it is not working" is not exactly useful Jan 10 19:08:13 kergoth, so long time !!! hiiii ! Jan 10 19:08:26 hey Jan 10 19:08:34 * kergoth kinda misses working on oe Jan 10 19:10:37 hi kergoth Jan 10 19:10:50 Hello, I'm trying to build my first package for OZ with OE, but I'm running into problems with missing *.m4 files, can I ask what do here or should I go to #openzaurus? Jan 10 19:11:11 what are you trying to build, and whats missing? Jan 10 19:12:22 I'm trying to build stardict and it asks for: "Please add the files codeset.m4 gettext.m4 glibc21.m4 iconv.m4 isc-posix.m4 lcmessage.m4 progtest.m4 from the /home/freaknl/Projecten/OE/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/share/aclocal directory to your autoconf macro directory" Jan 10 19:12:51 I have succesfully followed the "Gettingstarted" doc and nano built succesfully Jan 10 19:13:58 My bb file doesn't do anything besides SRC_URI, inherit autotools and XTRA_OECONF = "--disable-gnome-support" Jan 10 19:14:26 Freak_NL: that message isnt a failure, its a warning. does it stop there? Jan 10 19:16:31 this is the full output: http://jeroenhoek.nl/Files/error.txt Jan 10 19:17:14 DEPENDS = "gconf" Jan 10 19:17:53 Hmm.. I should've seen that Jan 10 19:17:57 thanks Jan 10 19:20:03 problem -> package quilt-native-0.45 -> make install -> not rule to make the package... Jan 10 19:25:00 package qult-native appeears on source directory Jan 10 19:26:11 Beware! 21 changesets today from me Jan 10 19:26:38 * koen bewares Jan 10 19:27:09 package quilt-native removed from source directory.. with bitbake file... it fail with the make but is not downloaded before... Jan 10 19:27:20 koen: will push when end of build happen Jan 10 19:28:07 Obi-Wan_: yes? Jan 10 19:28:16 hrw, when will the build be done? Jan 10 19:28:55 <[cc]smart> how can i verify if my key still has write access to OE ? Jan 10 19:29:02 mmh sources directory empty. I test with bitbake file and always the same error Jan 10 19:29:21 Obi-Wan_: don't rm -rf random dirs? Jan 10 19:29:41 Crofton: I suspect 1-2h Jan 10 19:29:43 bitbake quilt-native -cclean? Jan 10 19:29:50 Obi-Wan_: bitbake quilt-native -cclean? Jan 10 19:30:00 not tested this one zecke Jan 10 19:30:05 i test 2 sec Jan 10 19:30:08 hrw, I created a bug for bitbake not using the user/pass for the svn fetcher Jan 10 19:30:14 Crofton: I saw that Jan 10 19:30:23 NOTE: build 200701102048: completed Jan 10 19:30:28 that would explain why I received a phone call while drinking in Key West after Chrsitmas Jan 10 19:30:28 Obi-Wan_: rule of thumb. Don't rm -rf random data Jan 10 19:31:47 only the sources directory lol but moved only... Jan 10 19:32:00 Obi-Wan_: don't move random stuff... Jan 10 19:33:20 the sources directory is only the cache of downloaded package Jan 10 19:33:20 time to flood cia Jan 10 19:33:21 not? Jan 10 19:33:34 23 changesets Jan 10 19:33:39 Obi-Wan_: sure, but bitbake remembers which files it fetched... Jan 10 19:33:57 all is returned in sources Jan 10 19:34:02 Obi-Wan_: and if you manipulate stuff, you mess with BitBake's memory... Jan 10 19:34:18 Obi-Wan_: check ${TMPDIR}/tmp/stamps/* Jan 10 19:34:26 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rc4346175... 10/ (182 files in 171 dirs): dropped CVS OPIE recipes - OZ use only released version Jan 10 19:34:39 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rb71d1e10... 10/ (178 files in 67 dirs): dropped nonworking/ Jan 10 19:34:41 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r0b886442... 10/ (5 files in 5 dirs): dropped OPIE CVS libraries Jan 10 19:34:45 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r06dfb794... 10/ (367 files in 173 dirs): OPIE: update all recipes to 1.2.2 (not build yet) Jan 10 19:34:48 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r46d6dcfe... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): libqpe: dropped patch from 1.2.1+ cvs Jan 10 19:34:51 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r8c4c6fd9... 10/ (1 packages/libopieobex/libopieobex0.inc): libopieobex: add dependency on libopietooth (from .dev) Jan 10 19:34:53 a tweak to "reset" the all?? ( downloaded packahe etc to have a clean OE) Jan 10 19:34:54 Obi-Wan_: but DONT' EVER MOVE/RM STUFF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND Jan 10 19:34:54 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rb5230673... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): opie-aboutapplet: dropped patch from 1.2.1+ cvs Jan 10 19:34:59 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r8d12ff80... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): opie-pcmciaapplet: dropped patch from 1.2.1+ cvs Jan 10 19:35:02 Obi-Wan_: or don't wonder if things break Jan 10 19:35:02 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rbd90b974... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): opie-console: dropped patch from 1.2.1+ cvs Jan 10 19:35:07 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r338d72b7... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): opie-bluepin: rename dir to get bluepin into package Jan 10 19:35:10 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r24c59ac2... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): opie-wellenreiter: dropped patch from 1.2.1+ cvs Jan 10 19:35:15 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r0069664c... 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): openobex-apps: dropped Jan 10 19:35:20 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r553d3d3d... 10/ (8 files in 4 dirs): openobex: update to 1.2 which also replace openobex-apps (from .dev) Jan 10 19:35:25 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r84edce46... 10/ (8 files in 4 dirs): obexftp: updated to 0.20 (from .dev) Jan 10 19:35:28 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r5bac0518... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): opie-appearance: dropped patch from 1.2.1+ cvs Jan 10 19:35:33 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r5ae85416... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): opie-backup: dropped patch from 1.2.1+ cvs Jan 10 19:35:38 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r04709562... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): opie-button-settings: dropped patch from 1.2.1+ cvs Jan 10 19:35:41 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rbc905c18... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): opie-packagemanager: dropped patch from 1.2.1+ cvs Jan 10 19:35:46 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r05e11158... 10/ (1 packages/opie-mediaplayer1/opie-mediaplayer1_1.2.2.bb): opie-mediaplayer1: do not add rssparser - fixed upstream Jan 10 19:35:49 ~hail amd64 speed Jan 10 19:35:50 * ibot bows down to amd64 speed and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Jan 10 19:35:51 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rba4a8889... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): opie-mediaplayer2: renamed 1.2.1 to 1.2.2 to get patch applied (pushed upstream) Jan 10 19:35:56 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r2b4dc8c2... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): opie-datebook: dropped patch from 1.2.1+ cvs Jan 10 19:36:02 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r57174537... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): opie-icon-reload: PACKAGE_ARCH = all (it is shell script) Jan 10 19:36:13 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r13cb17b6... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): opie-icon-reload: PACKAGE_ARCH = all (it is shell script) Jan 10 19:38:57 * Obi-Wan_ Zecke-> is a procedure to restore the initail state of OE?? ( like a fresh install ) Jan 10 19:39:23 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r74db43a4... 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): libopie: dropped 1.2.1+ cvs patches Jan 10 19:39:24 Obi-Wan_: no, and it is not needed because sane people don't rm -rf random stuff Jan 10 19:39:44 Obi-Wan_: rm -rf ${TMPDIR} and happy recompiling Jan 10 19:40:51 the initial compilation don't work becausea file libsupc++ missing... it because i "test" some thing... Jan 10 19:40:55 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * re5ceffeb... 10/ (1 packages/opie-bluetoothmanager/opie-bluetoothmanager.inc): opie-bluetoothmanager: use libopietooth and obexftp (from .dev) Jan 10 19:41:32 Obi-Wan_: no reason to talk. remove your tmp dir completely and start over again. Next time don't randomly rm stuff Jan 10 19:41:46 Obi-Wan_: if you are keen on random deletion, use reiserfs Jan 10 19:42:02 ouch Jan 10 19:42:23 Crofton: ;) Jan 10 19:43:11 tmp dir was deleted... before this prob and compilation of this one to make a fresh compilation but it dosen't work. Jan 10 19:43:17 Whats the monotone server port number? Jan 10 19:43:57 Obi-Wan_: did you at least learn your lesson? Jan 10 19:44:23 Obi-Wan_: if you randomly delete stuff, how should anyone be able to help you? Jan 10 19:44:46 Obi-Wan_: this is a really bad engineering habbit Jan 10 19:44:50 i like your support.... great motivation to use this project. I DON'T DELETE RANDM STUFF Jan 10 19:45:03 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r26144f6a... 10/ (1 packages/bluez/bluez-utils-dbus_2.25.bb): bluez-utils-dbus: bump PR due to dbus update Jan 10 19:45:07 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r8ae44116... 10/ (12 files in 5 dirs): gtk-webcore: removed not used recipes Jan 10 19:45:11 Speaking of rm'ing stuff, what is the best way to clear off a SD card for maximum life? Jan 10 19:45:51 Obi-Wan_: So you just moved stuff randomly? did you update your local.conf? what does this 'error' look like? have you used pastebin to paste your error? Jan 10 19:45:53 fire, and lots of it Jan 10 19:46:50 CosmicPenguin: 'mtn serve' will tell you :) Jan 10 19:47:04 koen: heh Jan 10 19:47:15 koen: the great google in the sky tells me 4691 Jan 10 19:47:23 argos-wlan:~/Projects/OpenEmbedded koen$ mtn -d OE.mtn serve Jan 10 19:47:24 mtn: beginning service on : 4691 Jan 10 19:47:39 CosmicPenguin: hehe... but seriously folks, I have one I want ot use for testing images and I was wondering if it was better to "rm -rf *" or to run mke2fs Jan 10 19:48:02 hvontres|poodle: mkfs make less changes Jan 10 19:48:16 hrw: but stores the blocks at the same position Jan 10 19:48:33 the local.conf is ok, my install of oe is only broken from today now.. after a update. and i asked to know if the dev is broken... because of this error at begining that never hapenned before . I test this toolchain and if necessary i reinstall from scratch. it's not a problem Jan 10 19:48:37 but that shouldn't mater Jan 10 19:49:06 hrw: oz 3.5.5 will use dbus 1.0? Jan 10 19:49:08 zecke:was the for hrw or Obi-Wan_ ? Jan 10 19:49:15 koen: yes Jan 10 19:49:16 Obi-Wan_: this sounds different now... Jan 10 19:49:18 hrw: cool Jan 10 19:49:24 koen: 1.0.2 even Jan 10 19:49:28 Obi-Wan_: have you considered pasting your error? Jan 10 19:51:50 koen: one fix for you Jan 10 19:52:46 NOTE: package quilt-native-0.45: started Jan 10 19:52:46 NOTE: package quilt-native-0.45-r0: task do_populate_staging: started Jan 10 19:52:46 ERROR: function do_stage failed Jan 10 19:52:46 ERROR: log data follows (/home/neo/stuff/tmp/work/quilt-native-0.45-r0/temp/log.do_stage.7255) Jan 10 19:52:46 | NOTE: make install Jan 10 19:52:47 | make: *** Pas de règle pour fabriquer la cible « install ». Arrêt. Jan 10 19:52:49 | FATAL: oe_runmake failed Jan 10 19:52:51 NOTE: Task failed: /home/neo/stuff/tmp/work/quilt-native-0.45-r0/temp/log.do_stage.7255 Jan 10 19:52:53 NOTE: package quilt-native-0.45-r0: task do_populate_staging: failed Jan 10 19:52:55 ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting Jan 10 19:52:57 NOTE: package quilt-native-0.45: failed Jan 10 19:52:59 Obi-Wan_: .dev or .oz354x? Jan 10 19:52:59 ERROR: Build of file failed Jan 10 19:53:01 commande was bitbake file Jan 10 19:53:05 ~pastebin Jan 10 19:53:15 it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste Jan 10 19:53:24 i don't know pastbin Jan 10 19:53:49 ha? mmh ok i go to see waht it's Jan 10 19:53:54 .dev Jan 10 19:54:39 Obi-Wan_: nice behaviour... Jan 10 19:55:00 Obi-Wan_: did you at least read this message yourself? Jan 10 19:55:17 Obi-Wan_: log data follows, have you looked at the log? Jan 10 19:55:39 Obi-Wan_: export LC_ALL=C is handy Jan 10 19:55:45 yes but i am not a god of OE :-P Jan 10 19:55:56 hrw: we should do that in bitbake... Jan 10 19:56:05 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * re266c2d1... 10/ (1 packages/openobex/openobex_1.2.bb): openobex: do not rename openobex/openobex-apps packages Jan 10 19:56:07 Obi-Wan_: reading has nothing to do with being a "god of OE" Jan 10 19:56:09 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * ra42d181f... 10/ (1 packages/openobex/openobex_1.2.bb): openobex: do not rename openobex/openobex-apps packages (from .oz354x) Jan 10 19:56:30 Obi-Wan_: if you look at the log you see that populate staging failed? check the log, check which dir it wants to write to... Jan 10 19:56:35 reading is the first step but understand the prob... is not easy sometimes Jan 10 19:57:18 koen: ra42d181f need test in .dev - can you? Jan 10 19:57:32 Obi-Wan_: you inpolitely flooded me, and sadly mostly with garbage. Log data follows. This print a path on YOUR system (which I don't have access to). So take a look at the log? Jan 10 19:57:54 2 sec i search this file Jan 10 19:57:55 Obi-Wan_: check where it tried to install files, judge if this is a sane path to install stuff to, if you are unsure ask... Jan 10 19:58:08 and test to understand wath is desribed Jan 10 19:58:54 i discoverd something tonight :-) this log Jan 10 19:59:15 take notes ;) Jan 10 20:03:53 strange.. the directory from tmp/work/quilt-native is empty.. normal? ( myabe only this is the prob) Jan 10 20:04:26 Obi-Wan_: do you think it is normal? Jan 10 20:04:50 i think not... empty -> no file and patatra lol Jan 10 20:04:52 maybe some one randomly removed stuff? bad disk? bad fs? Jan 10 20:05:06 bad disk or fs maybe... Jan 10 20:05:26 I'm quite sure you removed it by hand Jan 10 20:05:29 this is my test pc lol Jan 10 20:05:43 bitbake quilt-native -cclean Jan 10 20:05:47 bitbake quilt-native -cpatch Jan 10 20:06:05 and then check if quilt-native is still empty Jan 10 20:06:18 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rfde325f3... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ttf/dejavu: updated to 2.13 Jan 10 20:06:21 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rece70fc7... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ttf/dejavu: updated to 2.13 Jan 10 20:06:58 I will test this later i need to go now :-( but thank you for help and nice night ( in swiss alps is all dark now :-) ) Jan 10 20:14:09 bye all Jan 10 20:15:15 zecke: export BUILD_CPPFLAGS = "-isystem${STAGING_DIR}/${BUILD_SYS}/include" Jan 10 20:15:25 zecke: what it does? Jan 10 20:15:43 zecke: should I add this into .oz354x? Jan 10 20:15:51 hrw: long story man gcc, short story. -isystem puts the following at the end of the include chain Jan 10 20:16:04 hrw: so if you have -I. and -isystem$STAGING_INCDIR/include Jan 10 20:16:12 hrw: it will always pick the headers from -I first Jan 10 20:16:35 hrw: this should solve all issues where 'old' headers are picked up (e.g. xrandr-proto...) Jan 10 20:16:45 thx - will add Jan 10 20:17:00 hrw: this -isystem triggered a glibc 2.3.2 buildsystem issue, koen fought with... Jan 10 20:17:44 so better will do build first Jan 10 20:19:27 03zecke123 * r743 10bitbake/lib/bb/build.py: Jan 10 20:19:27 trunk/bitbake/lib/bb/build.py: Put LC_ALL=C on os.system call Jan 10 20:19:27 For our french and strange friends place LC_ALL=C Jan 10 20:19:27 in all task calls. This should give us english log Jan 10 20:19:27 messages Jan 10 20:19:28 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rc2d64d26... 10/ (1 conf/bitbake.conf): bitbake.conf: updated mirrors from .dev Jan 10 20:19:30 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rc0a8441f... 10/ (1 conf/bitbake.conf): bitbake.conf: updated fetch/update/resume commands from .dev Jan 10 20:19:37 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r803fb9b6... 10/ (1 conf/bitbake.conf): bitbake.conf: OZ dev team as default MAINTAINER Jan 10 20:19:42 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r1efb715d... 10/ (1 conf/bitbake.conf): bitbake.conf: added SVNDIR, STAGING_FIRMWARE_DIR, STAGING_PYDIR from .dev Jan 10 20:19:46 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r49136966... 10/ (1 conf/bitbake.conf): bitbake.conf: updated image types and commands from .dev Jan 10 20:19:48 koen: hi..! i'm still having problems, and i'm afraid maybe for some reason my eabi patch isn't working.... do i need to put the CONFIG_AEABI=Y in my Makefile file ? Jan 10 20:20:02 hrw: maybe you know..? Jan 10 20:20:08 hrw: if you want to apply the HEADER patch to bitbake 1.6 we can declare it GPLv2 as well Jan 10 20:20:37 shirour: place it in kernel config Jan 10 20:20:46 zecke: and release 1.6.3 Jan 10 20:21:45 hrw: 1.6.4 would be the assigned number Jan 10 20:21:53 hrw: you mean the .config ? Jan 10 20:22:00 zecke: we skipped 1.6.3 already? Jan 10 20:22:03 shirour: yes Jan 10 20:22:14 hrw: no. this is the svn version, 1.6.4 will be release Jan 10 20:22:20 zecke: ah. ok Jan 10 20:22:32 zecke's insane numbering scheme Jan 10 20:22:42 zecke: 1.6.0/2/4/8 - release 1.6.1/3/5/7/9 - svn? Jan 10 20:22:59 1.6.10 or 1.8.0? Jan 10 20:23:28 1.6.overflow.1.0 Jan 10 20:23:45 release zero of overflow one Jan 10 20:24:08 hrw: 1.8 is for trunk Jan 10 20:25:30 zecke: trunk is 1.7.x - stable from trunk will be 1.8.x Jan 10 20:25:36 right Jan 10 20:25:44 and after 1.6.8 we will release 1.6.10 Jan 10 20:26:30 zecke: .oz354x is trunk incompatible so looks like 1.6.x will live for some time Jan 10 20:26:43 zecke: it will req 1.6.4 as minimum Jan 10 20:26:58 hrw: why is it trunk incompat? in which way? Jan 10 20:27:13 zecke: moment.. Jan 10 20:28:19 ERROR: local variable 'bb' referenced before assignment while parsing /home/hrw/devel/oe/branch.oz354x/packages/base-passwd/base-passwd_3.5.9.bb Jan 10 20:28:30 ah okay this will be easy to fix Jan 10 20:28:33 on each recipe Jan 10 20:29:17 zecke: http://pastebin.ca/312372 Jan 10 20:29:37 zecke: base.bbclass to fix? Jan 10 20:30:10 hrw: no, in bitbake Jan 10 20:30:56 zecke: +\timport bb == works Jan 10 20:31:14 sure, but that is the wrong 'fix' Jan 10 20:31:15 fails on many recipes anyway so it is not good fix Jan 10 20:32:24 ok. I will start with 1.6.x and go with garbage/trashes Jan 10 20:32:38 okay I'm going home now Jan 10 20:32:40 later Jan 10 20:33:20 afk Jan 10 20:33:25 or even gone Jan 10 20:33:31 cu Jan 10 20:41:43 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rf744cbd1... 10/ (1 packages/quilt/quilt.inc): quilt: unbreak quilt-native Jan 10 20:41:46 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rddc2d003... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): quilt: drop 0.39 Jan 10 20:41:49 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r8395a341... 10/ (1 conf/bitbake.conf): bitbake.conf: change quilt usage to match 0.45 (from .dev) Jan 10 21:30:44 koen: are you there? i've updated to 2.6.16, i think, but i'm still having some problems Jan 10 21:37:35 does anyone here knows how to enable eabi? i'm trying to "CONFIG_AEABI=y" to the Makefile but I'm not sure it works Jan 10 21:38:03 shirour: do this in .config Jan 10 21:38:31 ha Jan 10 21:38:37 shirour: you run opie or something? Jan 10 21:38:55 daurn: yes - opie is running Jan 10 21:39:02 hrw|gone - but .config changes everytime i run make Jan 10 21:39:22 shirour: so you fscked it somewhere Jan 10 21:39:50 hrw|gone: inserting it in the makefile won't help? Jan 10 21:40:12 hrw|gone when i only used the eabi flag without the oabi it gave me error messages, so i've added them both and it seems to compile and run just fine Jan 10 21:40:19 shirour: make ONE GOOD kernel config and USE it Jan 10 21:40:33 hrw|gone: but still stucks after " Freeing init memory: 96K" Jan 10 21:40:37 use EABI=y and OABI_COMPAT=y Jan 10 21:40:54 then boot OABI kernel and OABI rootfs to check does kernel is ok Jan 10 21:41:13 and now I go away - 23:10 here Jan 10 21:41:14 bye Jan 10 21:41:18 hrw|gone: isn't it CONFIG_AEABI=y CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT=y ? Jan 10 21:41:28 yes Jan 10 21:41:40 hrw|gone: not just EABI, but AEABIT right? Jan 10 22:16:10 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * rab8f7822... 10/ (1 packages/parted/parted_1.8.0.bb): Jan 10 22:16:10 packages/parted/parted_1.8.0.bb: Addition of mem allocation patch Jan 10 22:16:10 * Currently parted 1.8.0 doesnt work on ARM devices Jan 10 22:16:10 when using glibc 2.5. This patch although it didnt solve the Jan 10 22:16:10 issue is an update from their maintainer. Jan 10 22:16:15 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * raccc204f... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Jan 10 22:16:15 linux-jlime-jornada6xx-2.6.17/keyboard-fix-deadkeys.patch: Jan 10 22:16:17 * For the HP6xx to properly scan keys it needs to first Jan 10 22:16:19 disable all unused scan lines. Without this patch many Jan 10 22:16:21 keys appear dead and doesnt produce any output. Jan 10 22:16:23 * Changes to linux-jlime-jornada6xx_2.6.17.bb to reflect this Jan 10 22:16:25 patch addition. Jan 10 23:37:31 hi guys, I have a bitbake question. Is there a document I can read that will tell me about the ?= operator? Jan 10 23:39:09 yes Jan 10 23:39:12 the bitbake manual Jan 10 23:39:49 berlios docs look to be down, and http://handhelds.org/~zecke/downloads/bitbake/html/ch01.html doesn't mention it :( Jan 10 23:39:56 it should be at http://bitbake.berlios.de Jan 10 23:40:10 ?= is a weak asignment Jan 10 23:40:26 only assigns if the var is NULL? Jan 10 23:40:29 if(!isset(FOO){FOO=BAR} Jan 10 23:40:43 thanks, that's what I was after :) Jan 10 23:41:11 though, I probably should have mentioned in my question that I had _tried_ to find the answer :) Jan 10 23:44:51 sweet Jan 10 23:45:02 evo2 doesn't crash anymore on my .ics files Jan 10 23:46:33 * koen|away recompiles diet-x11 with cms support to do a size comparison Jan 10 23:51:10 is there a conventional way for setting up the auto, site and local.conf files? Jan 10 23:52:27 auto.conf for stuff that changes, site.conf for stuff specific to your computer, local.conf for the rest Jan 10 23:52:28 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r36c4738f... 10/ (1 packages/qte/qte-common_2.3.10.inc): qte-common 2.3.10: Add better support for few htcuniversal, htcblueangel, magician machines. Jan 10 23:53:18 thanks again koen|away Jan 10 23:53:58 hehe "htcuniversal" Jan 10 23:56:38 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rc2adf1b4... 10/ (1 packages/xorg-lib/diet-x11_X11R7.1-1.0.1.bb): diet-x11: enable xcms to fix rxvt and icewm, should close #1658 Jan 11 00:16:38 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rf41aa34f... 10/ (1 packages/qte/qte-common_2.3.10.inc): qte-common 2.3.10: Add better support for htchimalaya, rx3000 machines. Jan 11 00:16:42 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * re02d3e8f... 10/ (1 packages/qte/qte-common_2.3.10.inc): qte-common 2.3.10: Sort EXTRA_DEFINES per device families Jan 11 00:16:46 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r31bb8b63... 10/ (1 packages/qte/qte-common_2.3.10.inc): qte-common 2.3.10: Add support for palmld, palmtx machines. Jan 11 01:13:38 Hello, all Jan 11 01:14:31 I cannot seem to get any events generated using the ucb1x00_ts module. Jan 11 01:15:04 Using 2.6.15 kernel, tslib, and xserver-kdrive. Jan 11 01:15:15 It a gumstix. Jan 11 01:15:56 Anyone handy with input events, tslib, and 2.6 kernel? Jan 11 01:16:12 I cannot seem to get any events generated using the ucb1x00_ts module. Jan 11 02:21:09 gneuf, sorry most of us are gone, and I do not know much about your question **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 11 02:59:58 2007