**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 17 02:59:57 2007 Jan 17 05:39:10 JustinP: it shouldn't still be sitting at that same point should it? Jan 17 06:29:45 <[TEHb]> Hallo Jan 17 06:32:25 <[TEHb]> Guys, what happen with latest versions of busybox? There are problems with terminals. Terminal didn't assigned to processes. Jan 17 06:33:04 <[TEHb]> When login via telnet, user shell process has no terminal Jan 17 06:33:27 <[TEHb]> and we see warn: "-sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" Jan 17 07:04:35 hi Jan 17 07:28:47 hi can anyone help me with "| ../config.h:4:25: error: xorg-server.h: No such file or directory" .. i simply ran bitbake -v xf86-video-cirrus Jan 17 07:29:11 it appears it is not able to find stages .h files ? Jan 17 07:29:52 looks like dependencies are broken for drivers Jan 17 07:30:07 abiword suxx Jan 17 07:30:17 crash on simple list formatting.. Jan 17 07:30:56 oh Jan 17 07:31:03 maybe i should use kdrive Jan 17 07:32:23 build xserver-xorg and then xf86-video-cirrus Jan 17 07:32:38 if this will help then ok Jan 17 07:32:42 anyway report a bug Jan 17 07:32:51 ok Jan 17 07:33:30 i had xserver-xorg in my local.conf and did a previous bitbake -v bootstrap-image, i assumed it would just pick up "already staged" Jan 17 07:42:53 bootstrap-image is console Jan 17 07:42:55 no x11 Jan 17 07:49:38 hmm whats a better target for something x? Jan 17 07:49:46 *with x Jan 17 07:51:25 we have gpe-image Jan 17 07:51:42 xfce-image (but do not remember how good it is) Jan 17 07:52:02 i think i have tried all of those, but to no avail Jan 17 07:52:23 i get a framebuffer not 565 or vga of some sort while loading gpe-image Jan 17 07:52:31 i mean gpe-bootsplash Jan 17 07:52:49 and i get thrown to "init: no procs left at this run level" Jan 17 07:52:50 ravic: which kind of hardware you target? Jan 17 07:53:21 generic x86 (well epia) but i am testing the images on qemu Jan 17 07:53:29 qemu? Jan 17 07:53:37 use qemux86 machine for qemu Jan 17 07:56:36 hi greentux Jan 17 08:01:53 hrw its using x86 by default i think Jan 17 08:03:22 hi hrw Jan 17 08:03:35 you missed nothing on #openmoko hrw :) Jan 17 08:04:20 - * This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or Jan 17 08:04:20 + * This program is g_free software; you can redistribute it and/or Jan 17 08:04:25 good morning all :) Jan 17 08:05:40 somebody has experience with syncing perhaps with funambol? Jan 17 08:07:24 koen: sed genreated patch to glibify app? Jan 17 08:11:18 someone here use xfce? Jan 17 08:12:32 hrw: yep, abiword coverted to glib memory functions Jan 17 08:12:40 abiword suxx Jan 17 08:13:13 select 4 lines, make them numbered list, select again, change format of list -> crash Jan 17 08:13:25 funambol sounds like something you get in a lunchroom Jan 17 08:13:27 I started it ~16 times to finish contract Jan 17 08:16:54 koen: :) funambol connector sits on openmoko... Jan 17 08:18:50 greentux: 'bol' in dutch is something like 'brötchen' for you germans :) Jan 17 08:25:02 koen: ok... mmmh Jan 17 08:26:19 pushed some xfce stuff Jan 17 08:26:29 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * reaa354c0... 10/ (1 classes/xfce.bbclass): xfce.bbclass: provide bz2 extension for 4.33.99.2 (4.4-rc2) release Jan 17 08:26:33 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r8a5150c4... 10/ (1 packages/libxfce4mcs/libxfce4mcs_4.3.99.2.bb): libxfcemcs: added 4.4-rc2 (4.3.99.2) Jan 17 08:26:37 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rd79127b4... 10/ (1 packages/libxfce4util/libxfce4util_4.3.99.2.bb): libxfce4util: added 4.4-rc2 (4.3.99.2) Jan 17 08:26:41 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rf463d5af... 10/ (1 packages/libxfcegui4/libxfcegui4_4.3.99.2.bb): libxfcegui4: added 4.4-rc2 (4.3.99.2) Jan 17 08:26:46 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r54d432c8... 10/ (1 packages/xfce-mcs-manager/xfce-mcs-manager_4.3.99.2.bb): xfce-mcs-manager: added 4.4-rc2 (4.3.99.2) Jan 17 08:26:51 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rac04708b... 10/ (1 packages/xfce-mcs-plugins/xfce-mcs-plugins_4.3.99.2.bb): xfce-mcs-plugins: added 4.4-rc2 (4.3.99.2) Jan 17 08:26:54 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rad6aa1a2... 10/ (1 packages/xfce-utils/xfce-utils_4.3.99.2.bb): xfce-utils: added 4.4-rc2 (4.3.99.2) Jan 17 08:26:58 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r4367e9c5... 10/ (1 packages/xfce4-goodies/xfce4-appfinder_4.3.99.2.bb): xfce4-goodies: added 4.4-rc2 (4.3.99.2) Jan 17 08:27:04 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r5993d9d0... 10/ (1 packages/xfce4-goodies/xfce4-mixer_4.3.99.2.bb): xfce4-goodies: added 4.4-rc2 (4.3.99.2) Jan 17 08:27:10 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r28668ad5... 10/ (1 packages/xffm/xffm_4.3.99.2.bb): xffm: added 4.4-rc2 (4.3.99.2) Jan 17 08:27:17 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r47a0cff9... 10/ (1 packages/xfce4-panel/xfce4-panel_4.3.99.2.bb): xfce4-panel: added 4.4-rc2 (4.3.99.2) Jan 17 08:27:24 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rf0261ce1... 10/ (1 packages/xfdesktop/xfdesktop_4.3.99.2.bb): xfdesktop: added 4.4-rc2 (4.3.99.2) Jan 17 08:27:29 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r092cf5a3... 10/ (1 packages/xfprint/xfprint_4.3.99.2.bb): xfprint: added 4.4-rc2 (4.3.99.2) Jan 17 08:27:35 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r8179b4ba... 10/ (1 packages/xfwm4/xfwm4_4.3.99.2.bb): xfwm4: added 4.4-rc2 (4.3.99.2) Jan 17 08:27:51 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rbb4adcc7... 10/ (1 packages/xfwm4-themes/xfwm4-themes_4.3.99.2.bb): xfwm4-themes: added 4.4-rc2 (4.3.99.2) Jan 17 08:29:34 OMG!!1 XFCE!!!!!!1 Jan 17 08:29:51 koen: your phone will run xfce Jan 17 08:29:58 where can I get that R0M!?!?!? LOL!! Jan 17 08:30:20 koen: its #oe not #openmoko ;D Jan 17 08:30:28 :D Jan 17 08:31:54 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r56368bd1... 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs): zlib:dropped older then 1.2.3 Jan 17 08:32:31 morning Jan 17 08:32:38 hrw: did you already pluck c2adf1b40e98735a39b6ed35f40aeb5c2368339e ? Jan 17 08:33:07 hm. probably need to check Jan 17 08:33:21 not Jan 17 08:33:43 Laibsch: pong Jan 17 08:34:07 koen: .oz354x is pre-x.org Jan 17 08:35:06 hrw: 3.5.5 is not going to be x.org? Jan 17 08:35:30 koen: if someone will spend time on it then I'm open for it Jan 17 08:35:48 I'm not familiar with all x11 lowlevel stuff Jan 17 08:36:10 pre-x.org dietx11 should also have a --enable-xcms option Jan 17 08:36:41 <_law_> hrw, how does xfce work on small screen (640x480) Jan 17 08:36:57 _law_: did not checked and I added it for my XGA screen Jan 17 08:37:29 hrw: fwiw, xfce breaks on pre-x.org kdrive Jan 17 08:38:04 koen: 3.5.5 will have smaller feeds then previous versions Jan 17 08:38:19 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r1f90abf1... 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): diet-x11/x11: drop other then 6.2.1 Jan 17 08:38:20 no xfce rather at all Jan 17 08:38:22 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r55d34f72... 10/ (1 packages/x11/diet-x11_6.2.1.bb packages/x11/x11_6.2.1.bb): diet-x11: enable xcms to fix rxvt and icewm, should close #1658 (from .dev) Jan 17 08:38:40 same to e17 probably Jan 17 08:38:55 hrw: and have a bot posting to the forum 'OMG!!! new package !!!!!' everyday? Jan 17 08:39:42 rather notify from time to time Jan 17 08:40:14 koen: OE has lot of stuff, but how many users use it? Jan 17 08:40:28 close to none Jan 17 08:40:47 exactly Jan 17 08:41:17 but I'm getting tired of 'pdaX has more packages, just look at the announcement thread' when 95% of those packages are already in the OZ feeds by default Jan 17 08:41:22 but yeah, I know Jan 17 08:41:28 "you can't argue with morons" Jan 17 08:41:34 'bitbake gpe-image opie-image meta-gpe meta-opie meta-opie-all' and feeds are filled Jan 17 08:42:17 I've been thinking on how to do release branches for angstrom Jan 17 08:42:33 ~lart 2.6.13-rc1+ and users which rip microdrive and replace it with other cards Jan 17 08:42:34 * ibot eats 2.6.13-rc1+ and users which rip microdrive and replace it with other cards's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti Jan 17 08:42:50 I think it should branch from .dev before each release Jan 17 08:42:59 koen: do TAG on .dev and release tarball of metadata? Jan 17 08:43:40 otherwise we will get .dev .oz354x .oz354fam083 .angstrom2007.3 .angstrom2007.9 etc Jan 17 08:43:57 no tag Jan 17 08:44:07 so lot of branches? Jan 17 08:44:11 yes Jan 17 08:44:27 that way it's obvious what bugfixes went in to the branch Jan 17 08:45:13 XorA: I compiled gnumeric successfully with Angstrom for hx4700. Thx. Jan 17 08:45:38 sza2: YAY Jan 17 08:46:07 koen: sure. this method will be better then year old .oz354x Jan 17 08:52:24 cu Jan 17 08:52:33 time to go to disconnecto Jan 17 08:53:25 during evening another paper work.. Jan 17 09:18:45 koen: did you run abiword 2.5? Jan 17 09:22:34 re Jan 17 09:23:32 XorA: not yet Jan 17 09:24:09 after using 2.4.6 I do not want to touch 2.5 Jan 17 09:31:10 ~lart objdump problems Jan 17 09:31:10 * ibot hereby declares objdump problems a troll Jan 17 11:10:57 hi all Jan 17 11:13:18 03pb 07org.oe.dev * r23a53ef6... 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): add openchrome Jan 17 11:15:52 hmm openchrome .. nice ,..i actually have a umpc which would need that Jan 17 11:16:07 but right now kdrive runs fine on 800x480 Jan 17 11:16:19 yah, I need openchrome for mythtv on epia Jan 17 11:16:22 oh Jan 17 11:16:48 it seems that the unichrome project has ditched support for xvmc, which is good from a moral high ground point of view but not that great for functionality Jan 17 11:17:00 heh Jan 17 11:17:32 but kdrive fights me to point the touch to ttyS0 , still althoug i reverted a ttySX patch.. yet tobe investigated Jan 17 12:01:42 Anyone else noticing busybox-1.3.1-r0 being broken (trying to build debianslug) ? Jan 17 12:02:12 NOTE: make -e MAKEFLAGS= CROSS=arm-linux- oldconfig Jan 17 12:02:12 make[2]: Entering directory `/home/pascal/slug/debianslug/tmp/work/busybox-1.3.1-r0/busybox-1.3.1' Jan 17 12:02:12 make[2]: *** No rule to make target `oldconfig'. Stop. Jan 17 12:02:12 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/pascal/slug/debianslug/tmp/work/busybox-1.3.1-r0/busybox-1.3.1' Jan 17 12:02:12 FATAL: oe_runmake failed Jan 17 13:15:55 mickey|zzZZzz: help! I am in a world of Qt pain. Jan 17 13:50:58 *yawn* Jan 17 13:51:02 pb_: at your service Jan 17 13:51:11 mickeyl: good morning! Jan 17 13:51:20 morning all Jan 17 13:51:27 pb_: note though that due to my pollution w/ Gtk+ I'm no longer the Qt expert ;) Jan 17 13:51:29 hey Jan 17 13:51:30 mickeyl: Did you get your rootfs working? Jan 17 13:51:42 hi RP mickeyl Jan 17 13:51:43 RP: let me bootup my workstation... Jan 17 13:52:04 mickeyl: s/inherit image_ipk/inherit image/ would be my guess Jan 17 13:53:21 mickeyl: actually, I think I may have figured out my problem while you were sleeping Jan 17 13:54:27 oh Jan 17 13:54:32 * mickeyl promotes pb_ as new Qt hacker Jan 17 13:55:34 mickeyl: I played with xmlrpc the last couple of nights btw. I'm trying to see a way forward without rewriting half of bitbake but its looking hard to do without the potential for deadlocks :-/ Jan 17 13:57:11 RP: if you have a chance, write up one potential scenario and I' Jan 17 13:57:14 ll put some thinking into i Jan 17 13:57:14 t Jan 17 13:57:18 ~lart return key Jan 17 13:57:18 * ibot whips out a sword and chops return key in half Jan 17 13:57:54 mickeyl: ok, I'll write something and let you have a look, thanks. Jan 17 13:58:08 np Jan 17 13:59:53 RP: rewriting the same half you rewrote, or the other half? Jan 17 14:00:08 koen: The rest ;-) Jan 17 14:01:45 First job is to remove the code duplication between cooker and the shell and have more of a common core... Jan 17 14:02:38 mickeyl: basically, I need an opengl enabled version of qt-x11-free 3.3 for mythtv. Jan 17 14:03:11 my problem was that qmake-native was screwing me up because linux-oe-g++ qmake.conf doesn't have the right bits, but I think I can patch them in without breaking anything. Jan 17 14:03:28 I guess my only remaining question is whether the line Jan 17 14:03:29 QMAKE_LIBS_QT_OPENGL = -lqgl Jan 17 14:03:39 is just bogus and should be removed, or whether I should leave it alone. Jan 17 14:04:13 afaict, nothing cares about this variable (qt, at least, looks at QMAKE_LIBS_QT_OPENGL instead) so I don't need to change it as such. Jan 17 14:04:34 er, qt looks at QMAKE_LIBS_OPENGL_QT Jan 17 14:05:46 hmm let me check qmake src Jan 17 14:07:43 thanks Jan 17 14:08:44 oh, and my other question is why opengl is disabled in the regular qt-x11-free.bb in the first place, and whether I can just turn it on there or I need to make a new .bb file Jan 17 14:09:28 i'd rather turn it on there Jan 17 14:09:37 ok, cool Jan 17 14:10:24 I have a patch ready to go for that, though I can't check it in until the qmake thing is resolved since the build fails otherwise. Jan 17 14:13:49 ./generators/unix/unixmake.cpp: project->variables()["QMAKE_LIBS"] += project->variables()["QMAKE_LIBS_OPENGL_QT"]; Jan 17 14:13:49 ./generators/unix/unixmake.cpp: project->variables()["QMAKE_LIBS"] += project->variables()["QMAKE_LIBS_OPENGL"]; Jan 17 14:13:57 so these are the only ones, qmake looks at Jan 17 14:14:00 (opengl wise) Jan 17 14:14:17 yeah Jan 17 14:14:18 QMAKE_LIBS_QT_OPENG is probably just bogus then Jan 17 14:14:24 so, right now, I have: Jan 17 14:14:24 and we can remove that Jan 17 14:14:26 QMAKE_LIBS_OPENGL = $(OE_QMAKE_LIBS_OPENGL) Jan 17 14:14:26 QMAKE_LIBS_OPENGL_QT = $(OE_QMAKE_LIBS_OPENGL_QT) Jan 17 14:14:37 in qmake.conf, and some corresponding bits in qt3x11.bbclass Jan 17 14:14:45 looks about right Jan 17 14:14:46 export OE_QMAKE_LIBS_OPENGL = "-lGLU -lGL -lXmu" Jan 17 14:14:46 export OE_QMAKE_LIBS_OPENGL_QT = "-lGL -lXmu" Jan 17 14:14:59 ok, I guess I'll check that in Jan 17 14:15:04 yeah, thanks Jan 17 14:20:38 btw, do you know if upgrading qt to 3.3.7 would bring any benefit or disadvantage? Jan 17 14:20:51 second Jan 17 14:20:53 * mickeyl reviews Changelog Jan 17 14:24:15 * mickeyl tries to find it first *sigh* Jan 17 14:25:37 morning Jan 17 14:25:53 ah here we are Jan 17 14:26:00 morning chouimat Jan 17 14:27:35 pb_: 3.3.7 fixes a security hole in QImage Jan 17 14:27:41 pb_: other way it's same Jan 17 14:27:45 okay Jan 17 14:27:46 so i would like to see it Jan 17 14:27:54 righto, I'll give that a try Jan 17 14:27:57 thanks Jan 17 14:28:33 * pb__ now known as qtmaster Jan 17 14:28:37 hehe Jan 17 14:28:56 * mickeyl has a one month contract to work on Qt4 in March Jan 17 14:28:59 s/on/with/ Jan 17 14:29:10 that will get some of my expertise back Jan 17 14:29:11 i hope ;) Jan 17 14:29:27 very good :-) Jan 17 14:32:06 what kind of horse^wcpu power do you need to display movies on your epia? Jan 17 14:32:20 let's assume xvid codec Jan 17 14:32:34 (with mythtv) Jan 17 14:35:06 mine is a 500MHz cpu Jan 17 14:35:14 (I think) Jan 17 14:35:27 the unichrome graphics chipset includes some mpeg acceleration Jan 17 14:36:10 oh yeah Jan 17 14:36:20 in that case the CPU is not doing that much work Jan 17 14:36:21 not sure what the situation is with mpeg4/xvid though Jan 17 14:36:58 I guess at least some of the motion compensation stuff is similar to mpeg2, but I have no idea if the unichrome accel is flexible enough to be useful with mp4 Jan 17 14:37:13 500Mhz + XvMC should be enough, my 400Mhz K6-III could play most xvids Jan 17 14:37:18 cool Jan 17 14:37:32 and I was re-encoding to mpeg-2 iframe for dxr3 output Jan 17 14:37:44 any estimates what we would need to do it with the host CPU? Would 2Ghz be enough? Jan 17 14:37:54 (assuming x86) Jan 17 14:38:16 I think the newer epias (~1GHz) can decode fullscreen mpeg2 without using the accel Jan 17 14:38:23 mickeyl: 2Gz for me will re-encode from mpeg4->smaller mpeg4 at 125FPS Jan 17 14:38:24 interesting. Jan 17 14:38:29 mpeg4 can be harder though because of the deblocking/deringing pass Jan 17 14:38:30 XorA: yay Jan 17 14:39:24 but at least 50fps if I am trying some huge resolution xvid Jan 17 14:45:51 hmm Jan 17 14:45:57 alsa experts in da house? Jan 17 14:46:05 | In file included from contacts.h:30, Jan 17 14:46:14 | /local/pkg/openmoko/sl6000/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include/alsa/timer.h:108: error: field 'tstamp' has incomplete type Jan 17 14:46:47 mickeyl: OM contacts use alsa directly? Jan 17 14:47:10 hrw|work: hehe, no. it's the dialer application. Jan 17 14:48:03 google admits there is a problem in alsa which they refuse to fix :/ Jan 17 14:48:12 s/alsa/alsa headers/ Jan 17 14:53:31 XorA: you're the local alsa guru aren't you? Jan 17 14:53:50 XorA: do i need to patch the include file or add some more includes before including it? Jan 17 14:54:37 mickeyl: not a clue sorry, I barey know alsa Jan 17 14:57:54 ok, nm, will find out Jan 17 15:07:35 mickeyl: I suspect libasound follows kernel rules for include files Jan 17 15:07:38 mickeyl: as its written by the same people Jan 17 15:15:11 *nod* Jan 17 15:29:29 lo Jan 17 16:23:26 ok, i found the root of the alsa thing Jan 17 16:23:32 alsa includes time.h to get Jan 17 16:23:36 struct timespec Jan 17 16:23:38 and Jan 17 16:23:40 struct timeval Jan 17 16:23:49 however in our time.h there is timespec, but no (longer) timeval Jan 17 16:23:52 where did it go? Jan 17 16:24:37 /usr/include/bits/time.h:struct timeval Jan 17 16:25:02 this one? Jan 17 16:25:07 yeah Jan 17 16:25:20 time.h is supposed to include that isn't it? Jan 17 16:25:30 do not remember Jan 17 16:26:20 gerwinin: hello Jan 17 16:26:33 gerwinin: hi Jan 17 16:26:45 gerwinin: did you sent me that info about embedded boards? Jan 17 16:27:12 gerwinin: I'll be working in eindhoven next week :) Jan 17 16:33:23 koen, is this your body armor gig? Jan 17 16:34:43 yep Jan 17 16:35:01 2 weeks spare time before the semester starts Jan 17 16:36:32 that means I can harass gerwinin and likewise :) Jan 17 16:39:35 morning, HopsNBarley ;) Jan 17 16:40:47 hi NAiL Jan 17 16:41:59 Koen: you are welcome Jan 17 16:42:07 Hrw: I tried to find your e-mail Jan 17 16:42:20 Hrw: you can send yo gerwin@vanderkruis.net Jan 17 16:42:42 gerwinin: openembedded <> hrw one pl Jan 17 16:42:53 gerwinin: or my OE key ;D Jan 17 16:43:55 have to go - bye folks Jan 17 16:46:20 Gerrath: Jan 17 16:46:22 ehm Jan 17 16:46:28 * koen stabs tab-completion Jan 17 16:46:45 gerwinin: I'll also have the company car with me, so I could pick up the server as well Jan 17 17:16:36 hi, i installed OE yesterday. My first build "bitbake nano" didnt complete, it took about 5 hours at which point i gave up. Can anyone explain further? I have 2GHZ cpu and 512M of RAM running Ubuntu Jan 17 17:17:04 we can't help you without seeing the error message Jan 17 17:17:21 no errors, it just took forever. I had to cancel it eventually Jan 17 17:17:38 i asked around and heard it shouldnt take anywhere near a slong Jan 17 17:17:39 "had to"? Jan 17 17:17:48 needed the plug socket Jan 17 17:17:56 ah, right Jan 17 17:18:19 building the toolchain the first time takes ~3 hours on a dual opteron with 2GB ram Jan 17 17:18:22 according to gnome system monitor the CPU was going at 100%, so im guessing it was doing something Jan 17 17:18:27 luckily you only have to build it once Jan 17 17:18:40 hmm, i was told not as long, perhaps i'll try an overnight build Jan 17 17:18:57 i guess its not possible to just download it? Jan 17 17:19:31 not really, it needs to build a toolchain that works on your workstation Jan 17 17:19:38 03pb 07org.oe.dev * rd7674454... 10/ (1 packages/openchrome/openchrome_svn.bb): openchrome: add forgotten staging bits Jan 17 17:19:42 03pb 07org.oe.dev * r90716dfb... 10/ (1 classes/qt3x11.bbclass): qt3x11: add opengl variable defs Jan 17 17:19:44 we are working on that, though Jan 17 17:19:45 03pb 07org.oe.dev * r4fbd6580... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): qmake: add gl definitions to linux-oe-g++ configuration Jan 17 17:19:49 03pb 07org.oe.dev * r77df6e75... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): qt-x11-free: enable opengl Jan 17 17:19:50 fair enough. what would be an approx time on my system? Jan 17 17:19:53 03pb 07org.oe.dev * re6a146e5... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): qt-x11-free: update to 3.3.7 Jan 17 17:20:00 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r33277e0b... 10/ (1 packages/busybox/busybox_1.3.1.bb): busybox: Remove slugos-specific DEFAULT_PREFERENCE Jan 17 17:20:17 chazco: I suspect it will finish a lot quicker if you exit X Jan 17 17:20:24 chazco: saves you some swapping Jan 17 17:20:36 i'll try that then, just a bare console :) Jan 17 17:20:58 thanks for the help Jan 17 17:24:47 at a rough guess how long to build? Jan 17 17:37:34 is it possible to make the PC shutdow after build finishes? Jan 17 18:02:03 * mrz80 is away: Metaphysically I'm still here; physically, I'm elsewhere Jan 17 18:27:57 summatusmentis: *what* point? What is it building currently, what stage is it at? Jan 17 18:37:02 summatusmentis: gcc-cross can take a while. glibc *will* take a while. Check your processor utilization. If it is still craking your CPU then you should wait for it to finish. You can "tail -f" the log to see what it's doing. Jan 17 18:42:10 Hello Jan 17 18:43:11 RP: Hello? Jan 17 18:43:31 hey sirfred Jan 17 18:43:58 koen: Hi, I've just read your message. Unfortunately, I was busy lately and had no time to work into Ximageon Jan 17 18:44:35 RP: Just wanted to know if you have news about the convenience of using the fb_var_screeninfo rotate flag. Jan 17 18:45:30 sirfred: no problem Jan 17 18:49:32 What's the right way to query/change items in sysfs from a C program ? Jan 17 18:49:40 Just open, write, close ? Jan 17 18:50:43 I remember something about libsysfs from sysfsutils Jan 17 18:50:48 no idea if that's the preferred way Jan 17 18:51:16 koen: I won't like to add unneeded dependencies to kdrive Jan 17 18:51:17 hi all, I have another couple of dumb questions. How can I get bitbake to print a list of package dependancies? And what package should I look at to find out the command line that is built into the kernel? Jan 17 18:52:49 sirfred: ah right, on that case you can just open the 'files' I guess Jan 17 18:53:15 koen: I agree. I will start implementing it in that way. Thanks. Jan 17 18:59:20 that's what 'minilite' does for the backlight Jan 17 19:00:13 koen: does minilite need to be told where backlght control is or does it search for it itself? Jan 17 19:16:14 hrw: it opens the first dir it find in /sys/class/backlight Jan 17 19:17:44 1560 packets transmitted, 606 packets received, 61% packet loss Jan 17 19:17:44 ~lart cable Jan 17 19:17:45 * ibot puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at cable Jan 17 19:18:00 ok Jan 17 19:22:19 re Jan 17 19:23:00 re florian Jan 17 19:28:15 * mrz80 is back (gone 01:26:13) Jan 17 19:31:16 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * ra272096b... 10/ (9 files in 4 dirs): vim: dropped 6.x Jan 17 19:31:30 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r49e38996... 10/ (1 packages/ruby/ruby-1.8.5 packages/ruby/files): ruby: rename dir to give patches for ruby-native Jan 17 19:33:35 * mrz80 is away: Metaphysically I'm still here; physically, I'm elsewhere Jan 17 19:34:10 enough Jan 17 19:34:19 /ignore mrz80 Jan 17 19:34:27 03ccsmart 07org.oe.dev * r8458cc77... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): libg15render: Added new package. Jan 17 19:44:06 Who is the cppunit guru for OE? Jan 17 19:48:17 ~lart berlios for being down again Jan 17 19:48:18 * ibot pries berlios's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to berlios for being down again Jan 17 19:50:23 wheres the web page that lists the other cross building tools? Jan 17 19:57:20 hrw: when in irssi, /ignore mrz80 ACTIONS Jan 17 19:57:49 giel: I see his talk so rarely so I decided to ignore all Jan 17 19:58:03 good enough an excuse :) Jan 17 19:58:14 giel: I told this to him many times that his away/back is annoying Jan 17 19:58:33 scripted irc is generally annoying Jan 17 19:58:51 (i was going to say "scripted things" but then i thought about .bb files) Jan 17 20:02:05 I probably ought to drop the auto signin for #oe and #openzaurus, since I've returned to the Evil Palm Empire with a TX :-) Jan 17 20:02:35 mrz80: doesn't palm run windows mobile nowadays? Jan 17 20:02:57 No, some of the treo smartphones run Windows mobile, but the PDAs are still PalmOS Jan 17 20:03:05 * mrz80 is back (gone 00:29:30) Jan 17 20:03:12 palmos is dead anyway Jan 17 20:03:48 PalmOS is on a slow, horrible descent into the depths of hell. Jan 17 20:03:59 Well, it Does What I Need (tm) - OZ's calendar was never up to DateBk5's level, and it's the main reason I have a handheld Jan 17 20:04:49 mrz80: but to get any usefull soft for palmos device you have to buy it. I was tired of having to pay for every util Jan 17 20:04:56 Heck, once a tool gets to "It Does What I Need" I'd just as soon it NOT change all that much. That's my big beef with Gnome. They keep "evolving" the user interface and in the process break or take away all the cool little bits I liked. :-) Jan 17 20:05:04 i don't think many of the people here have a handheld for the actual calender use ;) Jan 17 20:05:14 hrw: www.freewarepalm.com has a pretty broad list of apps Jan 17 20:05:32 mrz80: show me Agendus or DateBk5 like there Jan 17 20:05:51 mrz80: I used some floss soft on palmos (clie sj30) Jan 17 20:05:53 hrw: And the few I have bought (DateBk5, mybible) haven't been all that expensive Jan 17 20:06:17 mrz80: for me they were - salaries in .pl are different Jan 17 20:06:30 giel: Well, the Z for me was always primarily a way of playing Doom while waiting in lines :-) Jan 17 20:07:49 hi rwhitby Jan 17 20:08:23 hi Jan 17 20:10:42 JustinP: I'm sorry, I've been at school all day long, are you around? Jan 17 20:11:47 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rb7543cd2... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): ruby: unified, fixed build Jan 17 20:13:09 HI all, I'm trying to compile e-wm for terrier, from 3.5.4.2, and it's been sitting at the same spot since last night Jan 17 20:13:28 it's working on glibc Jan 17 20:13:41 summatusmentis: it takes few hours to generate locales Jan 17 20:17:54 well, it shouldn't be longer than 12 right? Jan 17 20:26:32 <[cc]smart> where would i have to set kernel options for openslug ? Jan 17 20:26:50 <[cc]smart> i would like the uinput driver to be available as a module Jan 17 20:33:29 03ccsmart 07org.oe.dev * rf153b832... 10/ (1 packages/lcdproc/lcdproc_0.5.1.bb): lcdproc: Upgrade to new version and add support for g15 keyboard. Jan 17 21:05:11 [cc]smart: Could you try to support both usb and parallel drivers in lcdproc? ;) Jan 17 21:05:13 summatusmentis: no, it shouldn't longer than 12 Jan 17 21:05:22 summatusmentis: is your CPU being used? Jan 17 21:05:23 summatusmentis: (try top) Jan 17 21:07:22 JustinP: yeah, by qemu-arm Jan 17 21:10:10 summatusmentis: ok, well sounds like you have a qemu problem. Did I hear you have amd64? Jan 17 21:10:23 summatusmentis: and running in 64-bit mode? I think qemu has a problem with that. Jan 17 21:11:48 summatusmentis: add this to your local.conf: ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" Jan 17 21:11:49 JustinP: no, older Athlon, XP-M, all 32-bit Jan 17 21:12:01 ah...well you're still hitting a qemu problem Jan 17 21:12:08 just do that and you should be ok Jan 17 21:13:02 it will build glibc and not create the locales locally (which is faster) but may screw up locales on the machine (which is bad) Jan 17 21:13:11 it works fine for normal english use but may break other lcoales Jan 17 21:13:30 just *may*, though, it's not certain Jan 17 21:13:40 JustinP: I live in the US, the whole stupid american thing applie, I have no need for other locales :-D Jan 17 21:13:46 and if you don't install the locale ipks you generate you'll be fine Jan 17 21:13:53 yeah, me too Jan 17 21:13:58 excellent, thanks Jan 17 21:14:24 oh, no offense meant by the 'stupid american' comment Jan 17 21:14:43 I'm a Californian (now) ;-) Jan 17 21:16:33 I'd much rather live in california than rural Maine Jan 17 21:17:20 heh Jan 17 21:17:23 JustinP: Where are you at? I'm down in SoCal Jan 17 21:17:47 hvontres|poodle: Santa Rosa, north of the SF bay Jan 17 21:18:07 hvontres|poodle: well, I work in SF Jan 17 21:18:48 JustinP: ahhh, the other end of civilizaton :) Jan 17 21:19:14 heh Jan 17 21:19:21 yeah, CA is a looooong state Jan 17 21:19:38 JustinP: but at least its skinny :) Jan 17 21:19:58 cu Jan 17 21:20:00 * hvontres|poodle misses the Central cost :) Jan 17 21:20:07 hrw|gone: later :) Jan 17 21:20:45 hmmm Jan 17 21:21:08 now my internet connection is back up, I forgot what I wanted to commit Jan 17 21:21:42 koen: oh oh,,, the CRS is kickin in early for you :) Jan 17 21:22:35 crime night on tvv Jan 17 21:22:43 2x NCIS + 1x numb3rs Jan 17 21:23:13 numb3rs? what happened to friday's at 10? (EST) Jan 17 21:23:17 sunday was last ep of 3rd seson on NCIS in italy ... Jan 17 21:23:28 exist a 4th season ? Jan 17 21:23:59 gremlin[it]: .nl is at season 3 Jan 17 21:24:35 koen want to knwo the end ?!?!?! ]:) Jan 17 21:25:41 :) Jan 17 21:25:58 numb3rs is getting slightly annoying Jan 17 21:26:58 this in unknown in italy ... Jan 17 21:27:04 s/in/is/ Jan 17 21:27:33 koen: yeah, it sort of has gone down hill Jan 17 21:27:58 JustinP: it's not sitting there anymore, I like the site of code compiling, thanks Jan 17 21:28:05 s/site/sight/ Jan 17 21:28:09 me too Jan 17 21:28:16 I love updating or installing on Gentoo ;-) Jan 17 21:28:19 koen: just how much excitement can you get from Math anyways :) Jan 17 21:28:28 hvontres|poodle: plenty Jan 17 21:28:40 * JustinP has a Math minor Jan 17 21:28:40 ^^ ++ Jan 17 21:28:55 * koen <- signals & systems department EE student Jan 17 21:29:53 * summatusmentis is high school student :-/ Jan 17 21:30:35 * gremlin[it] , computer software engineer Jan 17 21:30:53 JustinP: /me Graduated with a BSME > 10 years ago... feels old Jan 17 21:31:44 I just want to be done with HS, it's annoying Jan 17 21:34:17 summatusmentis: well, at least you're getting into OS early...here's hoping you stay with us :-) Jan 17 21:34:39 JustinP: I'd like to Jan 17 21:34:54 my next project is collie sd for 2.6 we'll see how that works out Jan 17 21:34:59 hvontres|poodle: :-| I got my CS BS....4 years ago now I think it is Jan 17 21:35:16 summatusmentis: some people are already working on that.....are you in contact with them? Jan 17 21:35:48 JustinP: no, I didn't know anyone was working on it, I knew someone had reverse engineered the sharp driver Jan 17 21:35:57 I didn't know there was development being done Jan 17 21:36:12 JustinP: heh... time flies when you are haveing fun..:) Jan 17 21:36:25 IIR, do13 did some stuff on collie-sd Jan 17 21:36:28 +C Jan 17 21:36:51 there's a drievr that loads for the chip and some info out there. Search the mailing lists (oz-dev would be good to check, also possibly kernel-discuss@handhelds) Jan 17 21:37:31 JustinP: thanks, good to know Jan 17 21:37:53 summatusmentis: we'd all like to have that driver written Jan 17 21:38:22 summatusmentis: I'd also like my driver for my audio remote....but it pretty much means me getting into the kernel innards and....I don't know when I'll have the time... Jan 17 21:38:23 if only just to show the leetnes of OE developers :) Jan 17 21:38:33 heh Jan 17 21:38:35 I don't want to see collie fall by the wayside because of it, which is why I was going to work on it Jan 17 21:38:46 JustinP: xora has a almost functional driver for the remote iirc Jan 17 21:42:11 JustinP: how long does gentoo take to setup? Jan 17 21:50:21 what is the right syntax for letting on ipk obsolete another ipk? Jan 17 21:50:30 s/on/one/ Jan 17 21:55:09 is it "replaces" ? Jan 17 22:04:06 movening all Jan 17 22:06:39 JustinP: I got values from my remote, if you were using the spitz you were using the wrong pins Jan 17 22:07:31 "Replaces:" doesn't work, nobody there that could help me? Jan 17 22:12:48 hi sirfred Jan 17 22:13:50 XorA|gone: which remote? which Z? I have a driver building but it gives me only 1 value Jan 17 22:14:00 XorA|gone: I created the driver from the 2.4 sources with help of RP Jan 17 22:14:06 RP: Hi Jan 17 22:15:03 JustinP: I used spitz with RH-2 Jan 17 22:15:32 JustinP: and after I fixed the pins used in your driver I got exactly the values from the 2.4 sources Jan 17 22:16:20 sirfred: I was confused between two things. There is an fb_rotate function as well as a var.rotate field. I think we should use the var.rotate field. We should not implement the fb_rotate function though Jan 17 22:16:40 morning likewise ;) Jan 17 22:16:53 RP: That's fine. Jan 17 22:16:55 hi Jan 17 22:16:58 (fb_rotate is seemingly going to be removed) Jan 17 22:17:23 RP: No problem, I'm not going to rely on that function to rotate, just want the var.rotate value to be coherent Jan 17 22:17:31 ooh, sounds like sirfred is on the Ximageon war path again Jan 17 22:17:47 XorA|gone: ;-) Jan 17 22:17:57 sirfred: Agreed, we should use it fr both rotating and reading the rotation and ditch the sysfs attributes Jan 17 22:18:06 * NAiL just compiled apache2 on his TS-101 :-D Jan 17 22:18:47 RP: What do you mean with ditch the sysfs attributes? Jan 17 22:18:51 on and for your TS-101, I guess :-) Jan 17 22:19:12 sirfred: get rid of the flip one or whatever its called Jan 17 22:19:24 RP: Ah, ok. Jan 17 22:19:54 JustinP: basically get the IRQ, set gpio to zero, and max1111 reading works as it should Jan 17 22:20:05 likewise: well... mostly to test if the toolchain works as expected ;) Jan 17 22:20:10 RP: And expose a new sysfs attribute for not switching off the external memory Jan 17 22:20:16 sirfred: right Jan 17 22:20:24 NAiL: buildroot based right? Jan 17 22:20:51 likewise: I got a complete filesystem from uclibc.org with a native toolchain Jan 17 22:21:01 RP: I'm preparing the driver to work that way Jan 17 22:22:16 RP: Also, I'm defining an array of modes to probe them using FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO (with FB_ACTIVATE_TEST) to see what modes are available on startup Jan 17 22:22:51 RP: Do you have time to change the w100fb side? Jan 17 22:24:14 sirfred: Probably not immediately Jan 17 22:27:16 RP: OK. Keep me informed if you change it. Jan 17 22:28:03 sirfred: will do Jan 17 22:28:09 RP: Thanks a lot. Jan 17 22:28:24 I have to leave now. Good night everybody. Jan 17 22:29:24 gda_: http://www.openembedded.org/user-manual&dpage=recipes_package_relationships Jan 17 22:31:14 v8jlene: thanks, but this is not what I am looking for Jan 17 22:32:08 I want that a packages replaces another one, I have found the replace header, but Jan 17 22:32:23 it doesn't remove the replaced ipk Jan 17 22:32:54 Who can add me to the ppl list pls? http://www.openembedded.org/the-people-behind-openembedded Jan 17 22:33:07 gda_: Right, RREPLACES is what you want - which I missed... I'll update the documentation. Jan 17 22:34:19 v8jlene: really RREPLACES? why 2 R? Jan 17 22:34:42 gda_: R REPLACES - first R is for "runtime". Jan 17 22:35:43 v8jlene: okay, will try whether this replaces the old ipk Jan 17 22:40:50 v8jlene: don't know what I have to do? "Replaces:" in the control file, shows up with "ipkg info" but doesn't remove the old ipk Jan 17 22:41:25 and RReplaces even don't show up Jan 17 22:42:36 v8jlene: note that gda_ is not using bitbake for this - he is generating control files directly Jan 17 22:43:12 gda_: perhaps #handhelds.org might be a better place to ask about ipkg the tool as opposed to ipkg as used by OpenEmbedded. Jan 17 22:43:13 gda_: RREPLACES should result in a "Replaces" field in the ipkg file. And "Replaces" should have worked starting with ipkg 0.99... Jan 17 22:43:20 rwhitby: now I understand the strange syntax Jan 17 22:43:37 gda_: Sorry, didn't know you where using ipkg directly ;) Jan 17 22:44:01 ipkg info ipkg Jan 17 22:44:01 Package: ipkg Jan 17 22:44:01 Version: 0.99-163-4 Jan 17 22:45:58 03lenehan 07org.oe.documentation * r930e8365... 10/ (1 usermanual/chapters/recipes.xml): Jan 17 22:45:58 usermanual: Update recipes: Add RREPLACES and RSUGGESTS to the package Jan 17 22:45:58 relationships chapter. Update some links. Jan 17 22:55:18 n8 Jan 17 23:02:55 XorA: .....well why the.....didn't you let me know what you fixed? do you still have your version or a patch around? I thought it was all using the right things.... Jan 17 23:03:18 I'll get it into OE and thence move it up the chain.... Jan 17 23:03:21 blech Jan 17 23:03:27 I've been wanting this to work forever... Jan 17 23:03:35 JustinP: I was wanting to finish it, havent had time yet Jan 17 23:03:52 tomorrow my wife is busy with her friends, I shall look again Jan 17 23:04:09 JustinP: I didn't keep what I did as I ended up with such a butcher job Jan 17 23:04:10 XorA: finish how? I was the one working on it...I would have been working on doing more all this time if I'd had something working...:-(( Jan 17 23:04:24 JustinP: well make it vaguely work Jan 17 23:04:49 ugh, I didn't think anyone had actually gottena nyuthing working...do you know what you did to it? I thought I'd gotten all of the 2.4 code ported... Jan 17 23:04:57 I have a build env set up on my Z for testing... Jan 17 23:04:58 JustinP: I did ping you a couple of weeks ago, but you seemed to not see it obviously Jan 17 23:05:20 JustinP: you working for spitz? Jan 17 23:07:12 JustinP: you using spitz? Jan 17 23:07:13 yep Jan 17 23:07:21 sorry didnt mean to repeat that Jan 17 23:07:47 change the set_scoop_gpio to reset_scoop_gpio before readings take place Jan 17 23:08:09 change the spitzscoop_device to spitzscoop_device2 Jan 17 23:09:15 there are 2 set_scoop_gpio calls and 1 reset_scoop_gpiio Jan 17 23:09:20 is it just the first one that should be changed? Jan 17 23:09:21 and SPITZ_SCP2_AKIN_PULLUP is the correct pin Jan 17 23:09:42 JustinP: before max111 is read reset_scoop_gpio has to be done Jan 17 23:09:56 JustinP: before you return to irq mode, set_scoop_gpio has to be done Jan 17 23:10:01 JustinP: as far as I can gather Jan 17 23:10:11 ok Jan 17 23:10:30 JustinP: and copy the correct table of values for RH-2 from 2.4 source Jan 17 23:10:54 yeah, I was just trying to make it work with the values I had Jan 17 23:11:09 JustinP: I tested it by only having the irq, doing reset_.... reading the value, printking it, then set_..... Jan 17 23:11:47 JustinP: when you get that working you should get exactly the value 2.4 source says, then you can make the rest of the logic work Jan 17 23:12:27 spitzscoop_device -> spitzscoop_device2 all instances? Jan 17 23:12:38 JustinP: I did a loop of 100 values in the irq and they were pretty damn stable Jan 17 23:13:00 JustinP: in any case you are playing with the AKIN PULLUP yes, as thats on scoop2 Jan 17 23:13:37 do I need to alter the value in arm/mach-pxa/spitz.c as well (spitzscoop_device)? Jan 17 23:14:43 JustinP: I dont think so, I certainly didnt touch that file in the experiments I did Jan 17 23:14:51 ok Jan 17 23:14:55 let's see what happens... Jan 17 23:15:15 JustinP: Im off to sleep, speak to me tomorrow Jan 17 23:15:34 ok Jan 17 23:15:54 JustinP: I think your/RP driver should pretty much work with the right values table Jan 17 23:17:35 spitzscoop_device2 does not exist :-( suppose I'll grep for it Jan 17 23:18:43 anyone know what provides the 'runlevel' binary/script? Jan 17 23:18:53 needed by update-rc Jan 17 23:18:58 needed by update-rc.d Jan 17 23:23:00 * JustinP switches to spitzscoop2_device Jan 17 23:24:17 find: paths must precede expression .... Jan 17 23:24:19 why? Jan 17 23:24:33 if it can figure out that I'm putting paths *after* the expression why doesn't it just *use* them Jan 17 23:26:44 furlongm: tmp/work/sysvinit-2.86-r31/install/sysvinit/sbin/runlevel Jan 17 23:30:59 I just found that too ;-) Jan 17 23:31:06 PRAISE THE PENGUIN! Jan 17 23:31:11 I'm getting different keys Jan 17 23:34:17 v8klene: thanks, gotta find out now why it's not installing.. Jan 17 23:34:31 v8jlene: thanks, gotta find out now why it's not installing.. Jan 17 23:45:46 3/7 buttons working, woo! Jan 17 23:59:20 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r101fe571... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): alsa-lib: fix "error: field 'tstamp' has incomplete type" when including alsa headers with strict compilation options Jan 18 01:02:44 where are the ipks stored once I compile a package? Jan 18 01:21:21 summatusmentis: tmp/deploy/ipk ? Jan 18 02:02:38 summatusmentis, look in tmp/deploy Jan 18 02:07:25 Crofton|home: thanks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 18 02:59:57 2007