**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 20 02:59:57 2007 Jan 20 03:55:35 * JustinP wonders where everyone is on a Friday night Jan 20 04:23:38 JustinP: I'm trying to get a Freeciv game going Jan 20 04:26:36 luke-jr: I'm playing FFXII Jan 20 04:27:16 lame Jan 20 04:27:21 lame? Jan 20 04:27:25 vs Freeciv? Jan 20 04:27:35 yes Jan 20 04:27:42 FFXII is proprietary!! Jan 20 04:28:09 ah Jan 20 04:28:17 well, freeciv is based on a proprietary game Jan 20 04:28:23 * JustinP shrugs Jan 20 04:28:28 all proprietary things are not bad Jan 20 04:28:33 no more than Linux is based on a proprietary OS Jan 20 04:28:36 yes they are Jan 20 04:42:35 how is FFXII propritary? Jan 20 04:43:15 works in PS2, PS3, XP, OSX, and apperently Vista Jan 20 04:44:31 huh? Jan 20 04:45:14 FFXII as in final fantasy 12? good? Jan 20 04:45:58 not played it myself Jan 20 04:46:10 dont have drives bige enough Jan 20 04:46:14 big* Jan 20 04:46:58 emte: I just remember the first ones in dos ,... Jan 20 04:47:24 dos? its all about nintendo :) Jan 20 04:47:57 the two new ones need ~40Gb Jan 20 04:48:42 PS2 for me Jan 20 04:49:06 emte: that's "portable", not "proprietary" Jan 20 04:50:14 emte: the released some on pc Jan 20 04:50:55 chouimat|Zzzz, yeah, it needs ~40Gb for any platform Jan 20 04:52:24 wouldnt mind trying FFonline Jan 20 04:54:58 emte: hehe ... I just want to spend more time with nat but she's has to get thru her divorce and this weekend spend time with her kids so ... I can understand ;) Jan 20 04:55:33 yeah, no time for games myself Jan 20 04:56:07 too much of a course load and two prototypes to get out the door + real life Jan 20 04:57:43 hehe ... I'm suprised she want to be with a geek like me since she;s older than me (ok 3 years older) and she allready got 4 kids ... Jan 20 05:00:07 only 4? Jan 20 05:00:19 luke-jr: :) Jan 20 05:00:30 anyway I'm off ... need to sleep Jan 20 05:00:36 * luke-jr is on 1/25 Jan 20 05:29:19 JustinP: are you around? Jan 20 05:29:42 summatusmentis: yes Jan 20 05:31:14 what was the thing I needed to add to my local.conf to bypass the building of qemu, and use the version I have installed on my system? Jan 20 05:34:47 summatusmentis: ASSUME_PROVIDED += "qemu-native" Jan 20 05:34:52 but you don't even need ot use qemu Jan 20 05:35:04 ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" Jan 20 05:35:30 the second will negate the need for the first? Jan 20 06:17:37 everyone seen the openmoko announcement? Jan 20 06:18:35 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001586.html Jan 20 06:33:09 summatusmentis: yes Jan 20 08:08:59 good morning all Jan 20 08:11:13 koen: morning :) Jan 20 08:16:07 Anybody know what CoreDump is up to? I haven't seen him active in over a month Jan 20 08:17:39 OpenMoko is an actual company?? Jan 20 08:17:48 luke-jr: yes Jan 20 08:17:53 using OE? nice Jan 20 08:19:32 morning all Jan 20 08:22:36 night all :) Jan 20 08:42:04 * koen reads http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9048137234.html again Jan 20 08:43:26 mhhh seem like your work on ep93xx ?!?!? Jan 20 08:49:02 koen i don't understand the IOP devel board was donated to you ? or who ? Jan 20 08:49:51 ADS and intel donated the hardware Jan 20 09:07:48 koen, so u have that board now ? Jan 20 09:07:48 no, lennert has those boards Jan 20 09:07:56 I just have the ep93xx that [g2] donated Jan 20 09:08:34 yop .. lennert was working on IOP ... Jan 20 09:08:40 you know if lennert will be at FOSDEM ? Jan 20 09:13:41 last I heard lennert was boycotting fosdem due to that MVista dude being in the organization Jan 20 09:14:57 ouch :( Jan 20 09:16:03 yeah, especially since lennert promised to pay by beers at fosdem :) Jan 20 09:18:51 ahahaha :) Jan 20 09:19:38 i have to try again (3rd time) to contacy kontron to have a starterkit of it's xscape 80219 board ;) Jan 20 09:21:15 and i have to change work :( ... Jan 20 09:47:00 morning all Jan 20 09:48:36 RP: morning Jan 20 09:49:55 RP: did you see my messages earlier? Jan 20 09:51:00 JustinP: Yes, although I didn't entirely understand them Jan 20 09:52:02 RP: ok, problem 1 is that the headphone insertion check isn't working correctly if I insert my CE-RH2 audio remote Jan 20 09:52:32 morning Jan 20 09:52:33 RP: zaurusd happily turns off the headphone jack even though I have it plugged into the audio jack Jan 20 09:53:29 hi mickeyl Jan 20 09:53:45 RP: problem 2 is that the zaurusd callback which does the turning off/on of the headphone jack seems to be called when the hinge button is pressed (i.e. when switching to portrait mode or closing the Z) causing my headphone jack to be turned off due to problem 1 Jan 20 09:54:36 I'd like your opinion on whether these sound like zaurusd issues or kernel issues so that I can debug them. Jan 20 09:55:11 JustinP: It sounds like a hardware problem. The remote isn't triggering the jack detection and zaurusd is therefore acting like there is nothing plugged in Jan 20 09:57:09 RP: sorry, I neglected to mention that the jack detection works fine with just a headphone plug. It is only not working with the CE-RH2.... Jan 20 09:57:40 JustinP: Yes, that means the remote has some special design that doesn't trigger the switch on the zaurus for some reason Jan 20 09:58:00 By hardware problem, I mean the remote is special somehow Jan 20 09:58:40 so it's different and possibly fixable but you're not sure how? or it is simply not triggering "the switch" and can't be fixed? Jan 20 09:59:37 You can do anything in software. Presumably the remote control driver needs to detect the remote control and then override the events spitzkbd is passing to userspace Jan 20 10:00:20 ok Jan 20 10:00:30 I'll see what I can figure out then Jan 20 10:00:51 also, is the hinge key supposed to trigger a headphone test? Jan 20 10:01:13 or is this something I'm perhaps breaking with my driver? Jan 20 10:01:58 JustinP: Any switch event get passed to the userspace apps as a bitfield of the switch status Jan 20 10:02:11 ok Jan 20 10:02:35 I guess I'll look into it to see what the granularity is...perhaps it's just that the detection is failing and a bit is flipped Jan 20 10:02:51 time for me to go to bed....after 2AM Jan 20 10:03:03 RP: thanks, I should have a more cleaned up driver soon Jan 20 10:03:09 JustinP: I suspect its just the bit being set incorrectly,,, Jan 20 10:03:37 JustinP: Once you have a more cleaned up version, let me know and I'll take another look and comment Jan 20 10:03:42 JustinP: 'night! Jan 20 10:03:47 no problem :-) Jan 20 10:05:45 hey RP Jan 20 10:42:47 mickeyl: o-hand is working on hal, which should be beneficial to OE soon :) Jan 20 10:42:57 nice Jan 20 11:05:05 morning #oe ! Jan 20 11:12:51 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra8725718... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): cairo: update 1.3 to latest snapshot Jan 20 11:12:54 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf8b5f42b... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom: prefer cairo 1.3.12 Jan 20 11:47:19 Am looking for a hand - trying to get a base oe set up (openzaurus for starters) but ipkg-native is failing. Jan 20 11:47:34 It's invoking make, but not putting a makefile anywhere to work with.. Jan 20 12:00:42 morning all Jan 20 12:00:56 hey Dirk Jan 20 12:01:07 hi koen Jan 20 12:10:44 trithemius: have you followed the getting started stuff? Jan 20 12:10:53 trithemius: also make yourself familiar with pastebin Jan 20 12:10:56 ~pastebin Jan 20 12:11:20 Following the getting started like a fiend, yes. ;-) Will look up pastebin. Jan 20 12:11:24 hey zecke Jan 20 12:11:48 it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/ Jan 20 12:14:35 morning all Jan 20 12:14:58 hey ade|desk Jan 20 12:15:37 http://pastebin.com/863519 Jan 20 12:15:47 Handy, that. Jan 20 12:16:32 trithemius: interesting. is only the Makefile missing? or did you run out of spacE? Jan 20 12:17:09 Tons of space. There just doesn't seem to be any sources or Makefile. Jan 20 12:17:10 zecke: since when does ipkg have a 1.0 release? Jan 20 12:19:59 koen: good question :) Jan 20 12:20:34 sounds like reiserfs mangles some files Jan 20 12:20:40 guess someone tried to build a .inc ? Jan 20 12:20:45 or something Jan 20 12:21:18 zecke: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9048137234.html Jan 20 12:21:58 This was all pulled/updated per instructions, hour or two ago. Jan 20 12:23:20 koen: I think I read it Jan 20 12:23:33 koen: well done Jan 20 12:26:19 koen: have you ever talked to martin guy? Jan 20 12:27:08 zecke: I have a lot of "OE sucks" type of mails in my inbox Jan 20 12:27:35 zecke: lennert has received emails in a similar spirit Jan 20 12:27:44 as has riku Jan 20 12:27:55 which is why lennert decided to do his own port Jan 20 12:30:18 trithemius: so for some reason you have a ipkg-native 1.0 which we don't believe exists in this part of the solarsystem Jan 20 12:31:13 zecko: Neat. Why's it in OE? ;-) Jan 20 12:32:57 feel free to pastebin your local.conf Jan 20 12:35:55 zecke: Done - http://pastebin.com/863525 Jan 20 12:49:51 koen: please install curl on ltg Jan 20 12:50:47 trithemius: your BBFILES is wrong Jan 20 12:50:52 zecke: done Jan 20 12:51:10 koen: I hope handhelds.org is not blocked from within ltg? Jan 20 12:52:24 Doah! .bb missing from end. Got it. Jan 20 12:53:19 Aah, that'd explain why it was running way faster than I remembered.. I was all impressed. ;-) Jan 20 12:53:40 Things really do tend to go fast when you don't give them too much data to work on. Jan 20 12:54:22 * vs. *.bb you gave it more data and bitbake is really faster Jan 20 12:58:26 zecke: Much thanks for pointing that out - have been staring at it for a while and didn't see it. Jan 20 13:32:52 zecke: curl has been installed Jan 20 13:33:43 koen: I know Jan 20 13:34:12 I moved some trees Jan 20 13:34:24 bonsai trees? Jan 20 13:34:41 git ones Jan 20 13:40:02 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r991bdefc... 10/ (1 packages/hal/files/99_hal packages/hal/hal_0.5.8.1.bb): hal: merge in HAL bits from Poky Jan 20 14:05:09 exit Jan 20 14:06:59 Good afternoon Jan 20 14:09:37 sirfred: http://www.openembedded.org/~zecke/git/olpc/sugar/lib/src/sugar-browser.cpp Jan 20 14:12:16 zecke: What is this conceptually? A GtkWidget embedding a QtWidget or something so? Jan 20 14:14:14 zecke: I find this similar of what the gtksdl project does, but, how does it relates with GtkSocket? Jan 20 14:14:51 sirfred: it is using GtkSocket Jan 20 14:15:37 zecke: Oh, I see. Jan 20 14:16:07 hey sirfred Jan 20 14:16:40 zecke: I will give it a deeper look as soon as I have some time. But so, the idea is to create a widget able to embed a SDL window. Jan 20 14:16:47 koen: Hello Jan 20 14:17:06 And it should work for any SDL app Jan 20 14:20:07 (*) if libSDL implements the XEmbed protocol Jan 20 14:20:41 later all, it is time to implement CrackFS Jan 20 14:26:41 Do you know what package includes intltoolize in a debian based distribution? Jan 20 14:27:11 sirfred: intltool Jan 20 14:27:26 koen: thanks Jan 20 14:27:28 morning. everybody knows the iphone has the xscale proc. no further news? Jan 20 14:27:52 likewise: only the debian thing, but you already know that :) Jan 20 14:28:07 sirfred: when in doubt I use http://packages.ubuntu.com/ :) Jan 20 14:28:08 oh yes, that's why I slept so good last night, I guess :-) Jan 20 14:28:33 koen: I expected to find it using apt-cache search Jan 20 14:28:47 apt-get build-deps usually works as well Jan 20 14:29:14 koen: I'm just trying to build libgpewidget, the first time Jan 20 14:32:09 who is claiming the iphone uses an xscale? Jan 20 14:32:46 mickeyl: some news site Jan 20 14:33:29 hmm... i heard different things Jan 20 14:33:41 * mickeyl brabbles omap Jan 20 14:33:49 bbiab, dinner Jan 20 14:34:11 mickeyl: source is Dario Bucci, some Intel division's director in Italy. Jan 20 14:34:28 for news sites xscale and omap is the same Jan 20 14:34:47 koen: yes, there is an 'a' in both names Jan 20 14:34:49 mickeyl, what fo you think it uses? Jan 20 14:34:54 omap? Jan 20 14:35:15 I bet on iphone and strongarm, lol Jan 20 14:35:16 * koen wishes IVA and MBX has FOSS drivers Jan 20 14:47:28 Trying to compile gpe from svn repository, I'm getting errors when runninng autoreconf, like 'ENABLE_GTK_DOC does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL' and 'GTK_DOC_USE_LIBTOOL does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL'. autoreconf eventually fails complaining about automake returning 1 Jan 20 14:48:46 sirfred: do you have gtk-doc(-dev) installed? Jan 20 14:49:06 koen: I have libgtk-2.0-doc Jan 20 14:49:13 libgtk2.0-doc even Jan 20 14:49:37 Also libgtk2.0-dev Jan 20 14:50:02 koen: You mean a libgtk2.0-doc-dev package ? Jan 20 14:50:21 no, gtk-doc Jan 20 14:51:01 koen: Yes, I have both. I see that ENABLE_GTK_DOC does not appear in any AM_CONDITIONAL in configure.ac. Where is it expected to be? Jan 20 14:53:42 * koen has no idea Jan 20 14:56:06 autotools are black magic Jan 20 15:02:43 Bye Jan 20 15:06:46 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r81ef5646... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-handhelds-2.6/h4000/defconfig): linux-handhelds-2.6 2.6.19: Update h4000's defconfig. Jan 20 15:06:50 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r2013dc89... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Jan 20 15:06:50 opie-users-are-too-stupid-to-put-this-in-local.conf.inc: Remove superceded file. Jan 20 15:06:50 Instructions for building OPIE with angstrom's config are detailed at Jan 20 15:06:50 http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpieWithAngstrom . Jan 20 15:07:50 heh Jan 20 15:08:19 "To build OPIE with Angstrom, you need to add following lines to your local.conf:" Jan 20 15:08:20 we have already proven that that is too hard Jan 20 15:09:16 users suck Jan 20 15:10:07 koen, well, we had issue that it wasn't clear where such page fits, that was the issue. now that it's settled, people can be given that link instead of long talks, period Jan 20 15:11:14 Sometimes I wonder how Linus has survived this long doing open source work :) Jan 20 15:11:45 psokolovsky_: add a few more 'unsupported' to that page Jan 20 15:11:58 he has lash for users Jan 20 15:12:05 :) Jan 20 15:12:12 cluebat Jan 20 15:12:13 koen, is it really required? ;-)) Jan 20 15:12:38 yes Jan 20 15:13:09 If you acquire enough "users" eventually you acquire one or two "good users" who start doing support Jan 20 15:13:29 the problem is acquiring enough with out going insane Jan 20 15:17:45 * cbrake_away suspects he needs to use ANGSTROM_EXTRA_INSTALL instead of DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS in local.conf Jan 20 15:18:01 cbrake: both should work Jan 20 15:18:10 cbrake: if it doesn't, it's a bug :) Jan 20 15:18:26 koen: hmm, DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS does not seem to be working, but I'm still digging into it. Jan 20 15:19:29 BB>> peek task-base DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS Jan 20 15:19:29 update-modules module-init-tools modutils-initscripts sysvinit initscripts sysvinit-pidof psplash netbase dropbear angstrom-version ipkg ipkg-collateral util-linux-mount util-linux-umount tslib-tests tslib-calibrate gdb strace procps Jan 20 15:20:02 koen: I have it set with a += assignment in my local.conf, but it looks like nothing from local.conf is in the variable. Jan 20 15:21:14 koen: ahh, its set in angstrom-2007.1.conf. I've never quite figured out what happens if multiple conf files set a variable. How is the order determined? Jan 20 15:21:35 via bitbake.conf Jan 20 15:21:41 but I'm pushing a fix right now :) Jan 20 15:22:15 koen: thx :-) Jan 20 15:24:14 ok, so local.conf vars get overwritten by machine and distro conf files Jan 20 15:24:18 * cbrake notes that in the faq ... Jan 20 15:25:35 if those distro's and machines aren't carefull, yes Jan 20 15:26:24 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r69802b5f... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom 2007.1: make DISTRO_EXTRA_DEPENDS appendable in local.conf Jan 20 15:27:52 * cbrake notices the angstrom splash/boot progress screen -- nice! Jan 20 15:28:20 psplash from poky :) Jan 20 15:28:20 how suitable is angstrom for machines without displays? Jan 20 15:28:32 Crofton: very suitable Jan 20 15:28:55 I'm using angstrom on EFIKA and the image seemed "large" Jan 20 15:28:57 all graphic stuff is guarded by M I need to try a clean build and see if it is me addding crap Jan 20 15:29:15 Crofton: DISTRO_TYPE=debug includes gdb, strace, etc Jan 20 15:29:17 ok Jan 20 15:29:23 koen, done ;-) Jan 20 15:29:28 koen: customer should be impressed :-) Jan 20 15:29:56 cbrake: the logo is a .h file which can be replaced Jan 20 15:30:05 cbrake: iirc the instructions are in the .bb file somewhere Jan 20 15:32:28 koen, also, as was noticed by people previously, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ talks about faq, but there doesn't appear to be any faq. Time to start one? Jan 20 15:39:46 yeah Jan 20 15:41:04 ok, I'll start AngstromFaq in wiki and stuff few q's there Jan 20 16:02:30 is there any way to get an rss feed from the linuxtogo wiki? Jan 20 16:27:45 urgh, does anyone know if the .dev tree version of e-wm compiles correctly? has anyone had success? Jan 20 16:27:55 hi Jan 20 16:28:07 koen: can you EXPORT your gpg key to keyservers? Jan 20 16:28:37 My first youtube video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcPgQJSXf54 Jan 20 16:31:51 somebody knows that device: http://buytoughpc.com/panasonic_p1gprs.html Jan 20 16:31:56 ? Jan 20 16:33:01 * greentux_ wonders if that panasonic is linux supported Jan 20 16:35:42 hrw: like http://minsky.surfnet.nl:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x324C8633AE111A91 ? Jan 20 16:36:44 koen: I checked 5 keyservers today Jan 20 16:37:11 ok. go ti Jan 20 16:37:12 it Jan 20 16:39:44 * cbrake wonders what is causing cups to be built ... Jan 20 16:39:57 koen: nice theme on blog Jan 20 16:41:24 ahh, gtk 2.10 depends on cups Jan 20 17:00:41 cbrake: build-time, the runtime dep is only for the printing module Jan 20 17:01:57 hrw: cheers on the contract :) Jan 20 17:02:24 hrw: does that make haerwu double blessed? Jan 20 17:03:20 koen: good queston ;D Jan 20 17:03:48 koen: I wondered who will react first Jan 20 17:08:16 can you can what you will be working on, or is that still secret? Jan 20 17:10:07 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r7d1d7b4e... 10/ (1 packages/hal/hal_0.5.8.1.bb): hal: add intltoon to DEPENDS Jan 20 17:13:09 koen: still ;D Jan 20 17:13:57 now I can poke 2 people for merging poky stuff :) Jan 20 17:14:43 is the openmoko phone GSM? Jan 20 17:14:48 Crofton: yes Jan 20 17:15:26 so I can take my Cingular SIMM and put it in an openmoko phone and it works in the US? Jan 20 17:15:40 yes Jan 20 17:15:40 oh really? bummer Jan 20 17:15:50 excellent Jan 20 17:29:51 mickeyl: pulse-audio looks like a winner for audiorouting Jan 20 17:30:53 indeed. until i read the slides i was tempted to just go for alsa dmix, but I will reconsider this ... Jan 20 17:31:26 and you can disable libsamplerate via a config file (/etc/pulse/daemon.conf) Jan 20 17:32:29 although I don't know how to fit in zaurusd Jan 20 17:33:00 probably via hal Jan 20 17:34:28 http://svn.o-hand.com/view/poky?rev=1179&view=rev Jan 20 17:37:46 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r762eb1e6... 10/ (1 packages/hal/hal_0.5.8.1.bb): hal: add udev to DEPENDS as well to get libvolume_id in staging Jan 20 17:49:49 This should adapt a CF card to EFIKA, correct? Jan 20 17:49:51 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170063469251&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNASIF:US:12 Jan 20 17:51:23 Crofton: looks like the right thing Jan 20 18:24:24 * koen watches gdb hit swap-on-sd Jan 20 18:52:04 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rba21ca39... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): prism3-suppot: fix error in load script Jan 20 18:57:30 I have a question about the OE build system: when it builds the image for the target, it installs all .deb / .ipk files using a native dpkg / ipkg Jan 20 18:57:48 what does it if the deb contains scripts that should be run (such as 'ldconfig')? Jan 20 18:58:04 it runs those scripts Jan 20 18:58:47 but most of those scripts do: Jan 20 18:58:48 if [ "x$D" != "x" ]; then Jan 20 18:58:48 exit 1 Jan 20 18:59:03 which means the script errors out and will be run again on the device Jan 20 18:59:58 koen: thanks Jan 20 19:44:05 RP: asleep? Jan 20 19:44:21 anyone else around who knows what all of these GPIO's mean? Jan 20 19:53:46 or rather, what they're connected to Jan 20 19:53:56 I see some that aren't being used at all... Jan 20 20:18:07 koen, do you need a picopsu for your efika? Jan 20 20:19:06 Crofton: that's dc-dc? Jan 20 20:19:13 yeah Jan 20 20:19:39 I am going to order some soon Jan 20 20:19:44 no, no 12v here Jan 20 20:19:49 likewise wants a few Jan 20 20:20:40 http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-60-WI;jsessionid=ac112b321f436c8c634ea3874321b002d63424efc268.e3eSc38TaNqNe3uQchyMbh8Ta41ynknvrkLOlQzNp65In0?sc=8&category=13 Jan 20 20:20:51 you could get 12v from a standard PS I think Jan 20 20:23:52 that still means I need a psu :) Jan 20 20:24:44 yeah :) Jan 20 20:24:52 I have some 12 v supplies around Jan 20 20:25:03 I suspect (for the efika) you could use a wall wart Jan 20 20:25:26 I am going to get a wide range one so I can run of a battery if nedded Jan 20 20:27:10 speak of the devil! Jan 20 20:27:34 likewise, you want three of the 120 and one of the wide input 60w picopsu's? Jan 20 20:28:17 Crofton: yes please god. Jan 20 20:29:15 you ordering stuff now? Jan 20 20:29:22 soon Jan 20 20:31:40 need anything else? I am also looking at getting some cf to ide adapters fro $12 each Jan 20 20:32:30 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=170063469251&rd=1&rd=1 Jan 20 20:32:37 make that 13usd Jan 20 20:32:42 ~change 13usd to eur Jan 20 20:32:45 that doesn't look right Jan 20 20:32:59 ~change 13 usd to eur Jan 20 20:33:06 13.00 United States Dollar (USD) makes 10.0324 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/) Jan 20 20:33:55 Crofton: one of those, yes please. Jan 20 20:34:49 ok, checking on shipping, hopefully someone is awake this afternoon :) Jan 20 20:35:44 Crofton: that's only 75 cents more expensive than at its European design house pcengines.ch (in Switserland). Jan 20 20:39:35 hmm Jan 20 20:42:27 do you want me to get you one of the cf to ide adapters, or will you get one locally? Jan 20 20:44:00 Crofton: please one. Locally they are much more expensiev Jan 20 20:44:08 ok Jan 20 20:44:11 e<>v Jan 20 21:07:35 03likewise 07org.oe.dev * r17282683... 10/ (1 packages/mythtv/mythtv_0.20.bb): mythtv: Added commented-out patch. Maintainer please consider. Jan 20 21:08:21 03cbrake 07org.oe.dev * r92ee4187... 10/ (1 conf/machine/compulab-pxa270.conf): compulab-pxa270: cond assign variables to allow being overridden in local.conf Jan 20 21:11:57 likewise: I got mythtv almost to compile for arm Jan 20 21:12:19 likewise: I need to fixup libavcodec, but I don't think that will be much work Jan 20 21:12:27 koen: :-) cool Jan 20 21:12:34 koen: nice work, for what target? Jan 20 21:12:59 koen: I mean, where will you run it on? Jan 20 21:13:09 likewise: nowhere, just playing Jan 20 21:13:25 koen: ep9312 has vga out? Jan 20 21:13:57 it has Jan 20 21:14:01 no 2.6 driver, though Jan 20 21:20:13 Very cool, could modify a set-top box running ProprietOS into a MythTV box :) Jan 20 21:21:56 koen: guinness.conf has #require tune-athlon commented out, good reasons for that? Jan 20 21:22:38 likewise: tune-athlon needs to set the correct arch (athlon) Jan 20 21:22:54 since it enables 3dnow, 3dnow2, sse, etc Jan 20 21:23:08 which I why I have that mythtv enables mmx Jan 20 21:24:14 koen: I am trying to base off a core 2 duo machine. TARGET_ARCH must match the GCC's -march option? Jan 20 21:24:31 ehm.... Jan 20 21:33:15 From grepping for it, guess not. Jan 20 21:42:47 koen: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9048137234.html Jan 20 21:43:53 hrw: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/arm-eabi-fame :) Jan 20 21:43:59 I know your post Jan 20 21:45:54 hrw: pretty nice PR for OE and angstrom Jan 20 21:46:19 koen: right in time for fosdem Jan 20 21:46:41 koen: too bad that none of them was mentioned at end (Avability section) Jan 20 21:47:32 koen: write good About page on Angstrom homepage Jan 20 21:47:50 * koen is bad at writing stuff Jan 20 21:48:12 koen: then write base version, send it to angstrom-devel Jan 20 21:50:00 koen: and linuxdevices does not even mention angstrom Jan 20 22:10:25 Can someone tell me what GPE uses for sound? Jan 20 22:10:42 I know OPIE uses QSS, but what can be used in X? Jan 20 22:11:38 alsa, oss, esound, pulse-audio, arts, jack, etc Jan 20 22:11:54 Ah, I forgot to say that ALSA doesn't work Jan 20 22:12:05 I need something that uses /dev/dsp directly Jan 20 22:12:12 oss doesn't exist Jan 20 22:12:16 In OE Jan 20 22:12:40 Will esound work for applications that support esd? Jan 20 22:13:58 esound == esd Jan 20 22:14:00 aha Jan 20 22:14:04 I know Jan 20 22:14:08 if you go that route, I'd recommend using pulseaudio Jan 20 22:14:20 I'll look into it Jan 20 22:14:42 Is it compliant with ALSA or OSS? Jan 20 22:15:11 both Jan 20 22:15:26 Great, thank you very much Jan 20 22:15:35 You've been a great help Jan 20 22:19:12 re Jan 20 22:19:14 hi everyone Jan 20 22:19:18 Jin^eLD: wb Jan 20 22:19:22 thx Jan 20 22:22:25 rfc sent Jan 20 22:23:29 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r15826445... 10/ (10 files in 9 dirs): lots of files: esound-gpe -> esound Jan 20 22:26:34 hi Jin^eLD Jan 20 22:27:10 hey likewise Jan 20 22:27:18 hrw: did you build for x86_64 sometime? Jan 20 22:27:20 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r269ed090... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom: add preferred provider for esound Jan 20 22:27:24 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r3ecc22d6... 10/ (1 packages/pulseaudio/pulseaudio_0.9.5.bb): Jan 20 22:27:24 pulseaudio: provide esound Jan 20 22:27:24 * should be change this to virtual/esound? Jan 20 22:27:29 likewise: no Jan 20 22:27:39 hrw: ah, I thought you did. Jan 20 22:27:52 likewise: do we have x86_64 target? I only use it as host Jan 20 22:28:28 ok....time to rewrite this embeddix crap Jan 20 22:29:57 JustinP: what stuff are you looking at? Jan 20 22:30:12 hi Jan 20 22:30:22 hrw: no, seems we do not support x86_64 currently as the target, and it breaks awfully at it also. Jan 20 22:30:52 likewise: I build {opie,gpe,bootstrap}-image from .oz354x Jan 20 22:31:02 likewise: gpe/bootstrap/xfce image from .dev Jan 20 22:31:12 likewise: all on amd64 in 64bit Jan 20 22:31:30 hrw: ok, tnx Jan 20 22:32:39 likewise: CE-RHx module Jan 20 22:33:02 cu Jan 20 22:33:08 likewise: rewriting their crazy state machine Jan 20 23:09:52 hi Jin^eLD - i took mediatomb out for a spin yesterday. Jan 20 23:10:17 :) Jan 20 23:10:19 on what hardware? Jan 20 23:10:24 ...did it work? :> Jan 20 23:10:31 iomega storcenter. Jan 20 23:10:44 (running the openprotium image) Jan 20 23:10:50 JustinP: hi Jan 20 23:11:09 HopsNBarley: never heard of it, gotta look on the net; what CPU is it? ...and most importantly - how did it work out? :) Jan 20 23:11:18 i had to adjust the build for PPC, but it did build and run okay. Jan 20 23:11:33 it's a freescale 8241 at 200Mhz. Jan 20 23:11:46 cool, something new - meaning - I never tested it on such hardware Jan 20 23:11:51 what did you have to adjust? Jan 20 23:11:55 on mediatomb side? Jan 20 23:12:03 loading my test library of around 1000 sounds it would segfault after about 10 or 20 minutes of loading things into sqlite. Jan 20 23:12:13 uhh... Jan 20 23:12:20 it was mainly the spidermonkey build that needed work. Jan 20 23:12:34 sounds ==songs, sorry. Jan 20 23:12:49 which version did you use? did your version already have the atomic code for refcounting? Jan 20 23:14:15 i just used the existing bitbake, which is 0.8+0,9pre-1+svn... Jan 20 23:14:42 i looked at your cvs tags, and 0.8.1 is the last tag many moons ago. Jan 20 23:15:23 yes, you should use the latest SVN code Jan 20 23:15:32 forget about 0.8.1, it is really outdated Jan 20 23:15:46 i think that's what the BB file does, it did do a SVN get. Jan 20 23:15:55 oh ok Jan 20 23:16:17 well, in this case its bad news for us :> the atomic code should be in there, that means the segfault comes from.. somewhere else Jan 20 23:16:28 i was wondering if it was a bleeding edge problem, and was looking for an older tag... Jan 20 23:16:39 there are no tags since 0.8.1... Jan 20 23:16:48 what can I do to help you find the fault? build with -g ? make sure it cores? Jan 20 23:17:08 yes, coredump would be very helpful, also build with --enable-tombdebug Jan 20 23:17:17 got it. Jan 20 23:17:31 i did notice it uses a lot of memory >100M. Jan 20 23:17:38 it will print out lots of stuff then that might give us an idea what the server was doing when it fsck'd up Jan 20 23:17:51 RP: hi Jan 20 23:18:00 yeees... well. we still need to look into that... the truth is - it was originally written for a PC environment Jan 20 23:18:06 RP: i'm working on rewriting the main loic of the driver right now, from scratch Jan 20 23:18:15 everything C++ object oriented, reference counting - that eats up quite some memory Jan 20 23:18:20 JustinP: Probably easiest :) Jan 20 23:18:39 RP: I have it sending switch events for remote plugin and removal in the current code, but it's not perfect Jan 20 23:19:18 HopsNBarley: later on we figured that it compiles and runs on embedded devices as well, but by that time the whole architecture was setup and it is not easy to get memory consumption under control Jan 20 23:19:37 i understand. Jan 20 23:19:39 RP: I was wondering if perhaps another one of those GPIOs might have more info on insertion...or if you know where the Sharp code was doing the insertion Jan 20 23:19:48 i'm rebuilding now with --enable-tombdebug. Jan 20 23:19:49 HopsNBarley: would be cool if you could compile with -g, both CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS -O0 and do a backtrace on the core Jan 20 23:19:52 thanks Jan 20 23:20:20 i'll check in the PPC patches for spidermonkey at some point. Jan 20 23:20:30 RP: as it is now, there are 2 different headphone insert/remove switches.... Jan 20 23:20:43 JustinP: The only pieces of info we have are the HP detect GPIO and the AK data line to the adc. I know for a fact we don't have any others Jan 20 23:20:45 i was using 1.6, could that be aproblem? Jan 20 23:21:13 HopsNBarley: did it crash in spidermonkey? does it crash if you compile and run without spidermonkey? Jan 20 23:21:22 actually the spidermonkey version should not be the problem... Jan 20 23:21:31 i have no idea yet where it crashed. Jan 20 23:21:38 JustinP: There are not two switches. There is one switch and the other is the data line from the report which connects to the ADC Jan 20 23:21:57 RP: it *looks* like the 2.4 kernel was using the remote logic to deal with inert/remove Jan 20 23:22:19 JustinP: If the remote doesn't trigger the usual switch, it would have to Jan 20 23:22:48 RP: what I meant was that I've implemented the same switch in the remote driver based on the keys received so now there are 2 user-land switches Jan 20 23:23:02 RP: I suppose we can figure that out once I've rewritten this thing Jan 20 23:23:39 JustinP: Yes, once you work out what the hardware does/doesn't do we can work it out Jan 20 23:23:51 RP: thanks, I just wanted to know if there was a possibility of more insertion data. That switch from the keyboard works great....for normal headphones..:-| I wish they'd put this thing together right. Jan 20 23:24:16 JustinP: You have all the data I'm afraid Jan 20 23:24:35 RP: ok. I'll let you know when I have something worth looking at. Jan 20 23:26:10 hi there, is the kernel sources the various distros are using just vanilla sources + patchsets? Jan 20 23:26:19 does anybody know that? Jan 20 23:27:18 oh iforgot that i mean the 2.6ers Jan 20 23:27:32 not the 2.4ers Jan 20 23:27:51 doch: Some machines use plain kernels, some are patched Jan 20 23:29:24 allright thancks Jan 20 23:31:19 doch: RP has been doing a great job supporting hardware and pushing his patches upstream :-) Jan 20 23:32:26 meaning they were put into the vanilla-tree? Jan 20 23:32:48 doch: Lots of changes have been, yes Jan 20 23:33:04 Jin^eLD, still around? Jan 20 23:33:08 yes, sure Jan 20 23:33:32 oh, great. it doesn't come with a default conf or init file... should i just run it as root from the command line as I've been doing? Jan 20 23:33:50 yes, please try to reproduce Jan 20 23:34:06 basically it creates a config file itself, in ~/.mediatomb/config.xml Jan 20 23:34:14 it's rebuilt and ready to go. want to get a useful test for you. Jan 20 23:34:19 thanks! Jan 20 23:34:20 RP: congrates for the new collegue. cu tomorrow Jan 20 23:34:28 RP: wow, thats great Jan 20 23:34:50 greentux|bed: thanks, cu! Jan 20 23:35:19 one possible problem - i'm running another process which is ssh'ing over some more music into the tree. will files being created right under it cause problems? Jan 20 23:36:00 HopsNBarley: good question... we do various things, like fstat for example, and then we feed the files to the metadata handlers, like id3lib or taglib or whatever Jan 20 23:36:19 so if one of those libs tries to parse the file while data is being written... who knows Jan 20 23:36:24 would be really interesting to see the backtrace Jan 20 23:37:58 ok, i'm importing the diretory now... Jan 20 23:38:13 roger that Jan 20 23:40:22 Jin^eLD, okay, it's going wild doing addObjects() and so forth. Jan 20 23:40:31 uaah Jan 20 23:40:40 aah, ok Jan 20 23:40:43 so just adding hehe Jan 20 23:40:51 it took a while to crash yesterday, so i'll be back... Jan 20 23:40:52 I thought "going wild" was coredumping or something like that :> Jan 20 23:41:01 no, sorry. Jan 20 23:41:13 HopsNBarley: it is likely that I oversee the messages in #oe if the guys start talking Jan 20 23:41:22 could you please give me a signal in #mediatomb? Jan 20 23:41:30 oh, sure, hold on.... Jan 20 23:41:35 thanks Jan 21 00:24:47 likewise: do you have a list of bugs preventing x86_64 target? Jan 21 00:25:47 XorA|gone: I'm trying to fix them (in a quick, non-proper way) in order to understand how many problems there are. Jan 21 00:26:18 XorA|gone: I expect the toolchain to have the most issues, not so much the packages themselves. Jan 21 00:26:35 likewise: you best bet is a x86_64 target meta bug, then start listing bugs Jan 21 00:26:55 XorA|gone: ok, thanks for that advice, I will do so. Jan 21 00:27:10 likewise: I can do test builds etc when I bored at work, but I dont physically have time to chase bugs down that I can see quickly Jan 21 00:27:45 XorA|gone: Which people where involved with the OE toolchain .bb? They are the most intertwined .bb I came across, with lot of fixes. Jan 21 00:28:32 likewise: hard to say, people tend to just dive in, Id point towards koen pb__ and RP as most probables Jan 21 00:30:03 tool chain stuff scares me :( Jan 21 00:31:41 pfff...users... Jan 21 00:31:44 I took me around a month to OE to build for sh4 working when I started work on it originally. I'd exepct x86_64 to be easier - it's probably better supported in the toolchain and glibc then sh4.. Jan 21 00:33:24 (10:39:34 AM) Crofton: users suck Jan 21 00:36:02 I would guess start with x86.conf and work from there Jan 21 00:36:22 03lenehan 07org.oe.documentation * rc9eabb30... 10/ (1 usermanual/chapters/recipes.xml): Jan 21 00:36:22 usermanual: Updates for the recipes chapter: Jan 21 00:36:22 - Add note on ?= to the syntax section. Jan 21 00:36:22 - Fill in some details on update-alternatives. Jan 21 00:37:34 After some small fixes to linux-libc-headers, I am now stuck in the testsuite of gcc-cross. I'll continue tomorrow. Jan 21 00:59:36 good nite Jan 21 02:11:33 03lenehan 07org.oe.documentation * rbde874d0... 10/ (1 usermanual/chapters/recipes.xml): Jan 21 02:11:33 usermanual: Updates for the recipes chapter: Jan 21 02:11:33 - Fix up the linkend names for the update_alternatives-class. Jan 21 02:11:33 - Update the opening part of the volatiles section. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 21 03:00:03 2007