**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 22 02:59:58 2007 Jan 22 04:42:12 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r8286fb0e... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): linux-handhelds-2.6 2.6.19-hh8: Update defconfigs for h3900 and h4000 to the latest from defconfigman. Jan 22 04:42:16 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r7057f1a3... 10/ (1 conf/machine/h4000.conf): h4000.conf: Go modular kernel (sound and its dependencies so far). Jan 22 08:29:13 <__law__> morning Jan 22 08:29:33 <__law__> whats the best distro for the hx4700? angstrom? Jan 22 08:40:08 morning Jan 22 08:40:13 __law__: yes Jan 22 08:42:40 hey hrw|work Jan 22 08:42:43 morning all Jan 22 08:44:28 hi XorA hi hrw|work Jan 22 08:57:51 hi Jan 22 08:58:51 morning all ! Jan 22 09:08:51 sigh, I get accessx.c:(.text+0x350): undefined reference to `XkbGetControls' when compiling xorg Jan 22 09:09:20 looked at http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=870, still no luck Jan 22 09:10:58 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r81bbe619... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): portmap: updated to 5-25 Jan 22 09:11:59 mtn: multiple update candidates: Jan 22 09:12:01 ... :-( Jan 22 09:22:32 tmbinc: only problem, my only piece of hardware stand in the livingroom => experiments that might end in a brick are clearly out :( Jan 22 09:40:19 03pb 07org.oe.dev * r49465eb4... 10/ (1 packages/mythtv/mythtv_0.20.bb): mythtv: add PACKAGES_DYNAMIC so depends on mythtv-themes work Jan 22 09:46:12 morning all Jan 22 09:50:41 hey redguy Jan 22 09:50:43 hey RP Jan 22 09:50:50 ~lart wrong nick completion Jan 22 09:50:50 * ibot teaches wrong nick completion that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. Jan 22 09:51:12 hi RP Jan 22 10:04:23 morning Jan 22 10:05:04 hi rp, ade, xora Jan 22 10:09:08 hey pb_ Jan 22 10:09:58 hey pb__, RP, XorA Jan 22 10:27:11 * rwhitby waits to see if there are objections to MACHINE_ENDIAN before he commits a whole-of-OE search and replace of ARCH_BYTE_SEX. Jan 22 10:29:08 a cut down Angstrom roofts is 4.8MB, and that's still leaving the kernel image file in there. Jan 22 10:29:42 That doesn't sound bad... Jan 22 10:33:56 see what Angstrom -uclibc can do ;) Jan 22 10:35:23 pre angstrom images i made were X terminals at 2.8 compressed expanded to 8 meg in ram Jan 22 10:41:43 hmh... building xserver-kdrive is giving me issues. something about undeclared symbols in cursor.c. Rebuilding now so exact error isn't visible yet Jan 22 11:02:35 good morning Jan 22 11:03:24 florian: good morning Jan 22 11:41:14 re Jan 22 11:51:26 hi all!!! Jan 22 11:51:54 gm disaster Jan 22 11:53:30 gm crofton Jan 22 12:03:42 crofton: How install VLC on my embedded system because I don't have ipkg package??? Jan 22 12:03:56 install ipkg? Jan 22 12:05:50 ipkg install ipkg ;) Jan 22 12:05:59 :) Jan 22 12:06:09 ipkg is instalkled on system but package vlc don't exist Jan 22 12:06:10 build the base image with ipkg Jan 22 12:06:16 ah Jan 22 12:06:19 bitbake vlc Jan 22 12:06:42 then find vlc...ipk in tmp/deploy/ipk and copy to your sysytem Jan 22 12:06:49 iipkg install vlc.... Jan 22 12:06:51 bitbake vlc do error Jan 22 12:07:09 ah Jan 22 12:07:22 now we have the real question :) Jan 22 12:08:09 kk Jan 22 12:08:22 i have started bitbake Jan 22 12:08:33 unfortunately, I do not know anything about vlc Jan 22 12:09:02 i have installed Xorg-kdrive Jan 22 12:09:40 it sound like you have made good progress Jan 22 12:09:51 you know where i do find the conf files to do run my mouse Jan 22 12:19:57 .????? Jan 22 12:26:37 sorry disaster, I don't work with that Jan 22 12:26:51 mourf when i run bitbake name_packet i have error after few times Jan 22 12:48:01 Where i find a files to do run my mouse??? please Jan 22 12:48:30 disaster: OE is a build system, not a mouse driver, please ask you distro Jan 22 12:51:10 no, but where i find a conf files for configurte my mouse Jan 22 12:51:11 ? Jan 22 12:53:46 what distro conf file are you using? Jan 22 12:55:14 epia Jan 22 12:55:28 disaster, I thought that was the machine? Jan 22 13:02:32 Crofton, what ? Jan 22 13:03:53 in local.conf, what is DISTRO set to? Jan 22 13:06:09 distro is epia Jan 22 13:07:26 if you run kdrive put -mouse /dev/psaux or what ever Jan 22 13:07:31 hmm, I do not have that in my distro file Jan 22 13:08:00 like Xvesa -nozap -mouse /dev/psaux , should work Jan 22 13:08:24 tried X{whatever} --help ? Jan 22 13:13:08 but i used a touch screen Jan 22 13:13:18 it connect to tty port Jan 22 13:25:49 Xvesa -nozap -mouse/dev/tty don't work Jan 22 13:28:50 morning Jan 22 13:45:08 i have also test with /dev/ttyS0 Jan 22 13:45:20 if i run cat /dev/ttyS0 Jan 22 13:45:31 i look that the touchscreen good run Jan 22 13:46:51 it's stange that the touchscreen don't run with Xvesa Jan 22 13:48:02 disaster: what kind of machine it is? Jan 22 13:48:26 epia and touchscreen in serial port Jan 22 13:50:05 have you an idea please ? Jan 22 13:50:37 disaster: did you ever get this working under for example debian? Jan 22 13:55:54 i use debian distro to work Jan 22 13:56:18 but i don't found the link with angstrom Jan 22 13:56:34 in debian, just edit a files conf X11 Jan 22 14:02:48 then why not try same under Angstrom? Jan 22 14:03:51 in debian it's xserver-xfree86 Jan 22 14:04:04 in angstrom, it's xserver-kdrive Jan 22 14:04:23 and i don't found the files conf Jan 22 14:06:31 I would try full xserver-xorg with proper driver then Jan 22 14:07:57 so i install full xserver-xorg Jan 22 14:08:06 afk Jan 22 14:09:41 hi to all Jan 22 14:09:54 mourf, in angstrom, there is just xserver-kdrive Jan 22 14:10:06 so i install full xserver-kdrive ? Jan 22 14:10:31 I've just build a gpe-image using oe, but kernel modules are not installed in /lib/modules/... , even if ipkgs are properly created Jan 22 14:10:48 what does "ipkg files" say? Jan 22 14:11:08 disaster: this isn't a distro support channel. take it up with your distribution providers. Jan 22 14:11:38 no channel for angstrom Jan 22 14:11:51 that doesn't mean that this channel is the right place. Jan 22 14:12:09 <__law__> disaster, #angstrom Jan 22 14:12:21 ha thx Jan 22 14:12:34 is my question pertinent to the channel ? Jan 22 14:12:42 yes. what does "ipkg files" say? Jan 22 14:14:51 pb_: ipkg files ... what package? Jan 22 14:18:09 Hi everybody Jan 22 14:18:47 somebody can tell me how can I change the screen resolution on OE? Jan 22 14:19:07 what distro are you using? Jan 22 14:19:25 HTCUniversal Opie Angstrom Jan 22 14:19:46 maybe you shoudl try #angstrom Jan 22 14:19:55 ok thanks Jan 22 14:19:58 sorry I'm being picky, but is is one of those mornings :) Jan 22 14:20:11 basiliscus: one of the module packages that isn't getting installed right Jan 22 14:23:48 pb_: :((( my ipaq battery discharges completely, can't make the test now, but... Jan 22 14:24:41 all kernel modules files are not installed, lsmod gives empty output, the files in /lib/modules are missing Jan 22 14:26:09 okay Jan 22 14:26:24 you'd need to find out whether ipkg actually thinks the packages are installed, and if so whether it thinks they contain any files. Jan 22 14:27:28 ~seen koen Jan 22 14:27:32 koen was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 19h 44m 52s ago, saying: 'mickeyl: a gui review comparing it with the apple newton'. Jan 22 14:39:02 pb_: ok, I'll make this test this evening, but, suppose (as I think) that ipkg files kernel-module-* return "package not installed" Jan 22 14:39:45 basiliscus: then you'd need to look into your log files to find out why the packages are not, in fact, installed. Jan 22 14:41:43 pb_: ipkgs of kernel modules are created, where can I find rootfs image log creation ? Jan 22 14:44:29 log.do_rootfs.* Jan 22 14:51:30 pb_: ok, I'm reading log.do_rootfs Jan 22 14:55:13 pb_: there are a lot of lines extracting control.tar.gz ....build/tmp/deploy/ipk/kernel-module-* Jan 22 14:56:47 pb_: but in the subsequent installing phase, kernel-modules are not mentioned Jan 22 14:57:10 pb_: I'm using h5000 target machine, is it supported ? Jan 22 15:12:51 fscking monotone Jan 22 15:14:00 hrw|work: the software or the feeling? Jan 22 15:14:22 software Jan 22 15:14:36 hrw|work: what the screwed up again? Jan 22 15:15:00 same as always Jan 22 15:15:35 if you want to update which will create zxc file and you already have this file then update will fail. Jan 22 15:16:13 RP, ping Jan 22 15:16:34 hrw|work: ewww Jan 22 15:31:00 morning Jan 22 15:32:30 hi mickeyl Jan 22 15:32:33 hail mickeyl Jan 22 15:32:41 hey mickeyl Jan 22 16:00:44 Any experiences driving VGA res video (30fps) with a PXA270 class processor? Jan 22 16:03:23 cbrake: zaurus 3200 isnt fast enough to do that with mpeg4 Jan 22 16:03:32 cbrake: in rgb mode anyway Jan 22 16:03:42 XorA any news about accelerated xorg driver for 3200? :) Jan 22 16:04:07 Kristoffer: thats unlikely as 3200 doesnt have a gfx chip Jan 22 16:04:13 XorA: thats what I thought. Does acceleration really help w/ video as there are no vector ops? Jan 22 16:04:27 XorA So it will basicly stay fbdev? Jan 22 16:04:53 it has been my assumption that you need fast access to the frame buffer, plenty of bus and cpu bandwidth. Jan 22 16:05:02 Kristoffer: apart from a YUV overlay, yes Jan 22 16:05:43 cbrake: in YUV you write only 2/3 the pixels and do one leff math operation per pixel Jan 22 16:05:43 XorA how much increase in "speed" would overlay give then? Just trying to get a grasp Jan 22 16:09:09 XorA: by the way, I have implemented a fast JIT accelerated scaler on last weekend for planar YUV420 => packed YUV422 scaling Jan 22 16:10:16 XorA: it is available in maemo mplayer SVN: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mplayer/ Jan 22 16:10:37 how about N770, how does it do with full screen video? Jan 22 16:10:44 XorA: the latest build of mplayer for nokia 770 uses it already Jan 22 16:11:37 ssvb: cool Jan 22 16:11:48 XorA: I wonder if this code can also help to improve video playback on zaurus Jan 22 16:12:06 ssvb: offhand I cant remeber which YUV formats we do in hardware Jan 22 16:12:40 * XorA is currently bogged down in audio stuff Jan 22 16:13:30 cbrake: it depends on video resolution and bitrate, mplayer on N770 is not fast enough to play VGA video (yet) Jan 22 16:16:05 XorA: i'll add some testing and benchmarking code, so that this scaler could be tested on zaurus as well Jan 22 16:16:37 XorA: my plan is to cleanup and submit this scaler upstream Jan 22 16:17:43 XorA: I can also tweak it to support color formats that are needed for zaurus, but I need precise information what exactly is used there Jan 22 16:18:18 XorA: I'll post some more information in oesf.org forum Jan 22 16:18:27 good morning all Jan 22 16:18:56 ssvb: pxa270 (which we dont have workin yet) is 4:2:0 4:2:2 4:4:4 Jan 22 16:19:01 anyone good at pmap output on arm? Jan 22 16:20:31 XorA: is anybody working on pxa270 support right now? Jan 22 16:21:40 ssvb: I started, havent had time to do anything for months though Jan 22 16:21:41 morning koen Jan 22 16:22:26 koen: do you have the link for the finland openmoko meeting before fosdem? Jan 22 16:22:34 XorA: as 4:2:2 is supported on pxa270, this scaler code can be used in the current form without any changes Jan 22 16:22:43 I'm trying to build gpe-image, and it's barfing on xserver-xorg-X11R7.1-1.1.0-r1 - something about XkbGetControls - ideas? Jan 22 16:23:19 koen: do you have the link for the finland openmoko meeting before fosdem? Jan 22 16:23:49 nope Jan 22 16:23:51 didn't know there was one Jan 22 16:24:05 * koen vpns Jan 22 16:24:05 XorA: results on Nokia 770 are really excellent, maybe this fact will encourage you to resume your work on pxa270 support :) Jan 22 16:24:24 NOTE: Applying patch 'kmode-palm.patch' Jan 22 16:24:24 NOTE: package xserver-kdrive-X11R7.1-1.1.0-r6: task do_patch: completed Jan 22 16:24:35 NOTE: package xserver-kdrive-X11R7.1-1.1.0-r6: task do_build: completed Jan 22 16:25:03 ssvb: its all time Jan 22 16:25:11 ssvb: gimme another 8 hours in the day Jan 22 16:25:34 ssvb: what kind of speedup do you see playing mpeg4 then? Jan 22 16:25:36 Hi, all! Is it possible to build for n770 now? I mean X server and stuff Jan 22 16:27:32 XorA: I see, I have the same problem with free time, but at least maybe now pxa270 can get higher in your priority list Jan 22 16:28:13 anyway, train time Jan 22 16:28:30 XorA: about speedups, I'll post some benchamarks in the forum Jan 22 16:30:51 hrw|work: was that to help my issue? Jan 22 16:31:07 boorad: no Jan 22 16:32:10 03Cristiano 07org.oe.dev * r599653ba... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): xserver-kdrive: added HVGA and 320x320 resolutions for Palm devices - close #1687 Jan 22 16:32:14 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rb778a242... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): xserver-kdrive: move kmode-palm.patch to xserver-kdrive Jan 22 16:37:49 cu Jan 22 16:38:38 what's the reason to prefer autoconf 2.59 over 2.61? Jan 22 16:39:31 every autoconf update broke 50% of our packages Jan 22 16:39:45 perhaps more Jan 22 16:39:49 ok, sounds like a good reason ;) Jan 22 16:41:07 i think glibc, libtool, and autofoo are even more pickier to upgrade than anything else Jan 22 16:41:18 so we try to refrain unless absolutely necessary Jan 22 16:41:23 ~spell necessary Jan 22 16:41:26 'necessary' may be spelled correctly Jan 22 16:41:30 ~botsnack Jan 22 16:41:30 :), mickeyl Jan 22 16:41:50 mickeyl: i just found a package that refuses to compile with autoconf < 2.61 Jan 22 16:41:58 mickeyl: mail forwarded to maemo-dev Jan 22 16:42:29 thanks Jan 22 16:43:01 florian: is it just the check or does it actually use some of the new features? Jan 22 16:43:03 hmm... Jan 22 16:43:58 koen_, mickeyl: The answer to that question is "no" afaik... but its some time ago i ran into this. Jan 22 16:44:14 mickeyl: i'm not sure yet... need to try Jan 22 16:44:34 NOTE: package autoconf-native-2.61-r0: task do_compile: failed Jan 22 16:45:01 ok, sounds like a bad idea Jan 22 16:45:08 hehe Jan 22 16:45:22 http://pastebin.ca/index.php Jan 22 16:45:28 often you just need to release the the check in configure.ac and it'll work w/ 2.95 Jan 22 16:45:30 http://pastebin.ca/324756 Jan 22 16:45:32 oops Jan 22 16:45:33 2.59 even Jan 22 16:45:58 anyone care to comment on the ---- sections sizes 32K and 24K in the shared libs? Jan 22 16:49:10 mickeyl: that's what i just did... and it fails, but maybe for a different reason. Jan 22 16:50:28 Why did you guys choose astridhotel.be? Jan 22 16:50:43 The breakfast? Jan 22 16:50:43 some of us stayed there before Jan 22 16:51:03 although I am put off by the "American Breakfast" :) Jan 22 16:51:47 it's continental Jan 22 16:51:53 not american Jan 22 16:51:58 something for everyone Jan 22 16:52:06 as long as they aren't importing food from America Jan 22 16:52:11 hell, no :D Jan 22 16:52:46 Hopefully they have chocolate covered waffles Jan 22 16:53:09 maple syrup! Jan 22 16:53:18 (although that should be imported from canada) Jan 22 16:53:30 vermont :) Jan 22 16:53:59 argh Jan 22 16:54:13 mickeyl: http://gnomedesktop.org/node/2852 Jan 22 16:54:14 these scary autotools... Jan 22 16:54:21 cvs [checkout aborted]: no such tag gettext-0_16 Jan 22 16:54:33 i got this in do_configure() Jan 22 16:54:54 http://www.highlandcounty.org/maple_sugar.htm Jan 22 16:56:03 koen: cool Jan 22 16:56:35 will there be sample phones at fosdem? Jan 22 16:56:46 i hope to have time to chat with some of the gnome/gtk+ guys at fosdem Jan 22 16:56:52 Crofton: there should be, yes. Jan 22 16:57:00 (if we don't stumble over new hardware problems) Jan 22 16:58:44 I see. Jan 22 16:59:26 so I could right a gps application for the phone? Jan 22 16:59:39 mickeyl: did you see http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/ ? Jan 22 16:59:55 Why is autotools 2.61 marked with pref -1? Is there a good reason OE does not upgrade? I am running into more and more soft that requires at least 2.60. Jan 22 17:00:01 koen: oh interesting! /me prints Jan 22 17:00:24 Crofton: you can write one, of course. I'm not sure whether GPS will be finished in the February developer release though Jan 22 17:01:16 Laibsch: heh, see above :-) Jan 22 17:01:30 Laibsch: scroll up ~20 minutes :) Jan 22 17:02:10 hi all Jan 22 17:02:58 Laibsch: feel free to upgrade us to 2.61 if you a) get it to build and b) submit thousands of patches upstream to projects using older autotools versions. Jan 22 17:03:22 mickeyl: and the thread that goes with the newton stuff: http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-January/007326.html Jan 22 17:03:27 i'd be even surprised if you get task-bootstrap to build Jan 22 17:03:41 koen: yep, I'm following that Jan 22 17:06:26 please somebody look at bug 1811, it adds Palm Zire 72 machine Jan 22 17:07:36 Is it possible to use autotools 2.6 for some packages and default to 2.59? Jan 22 17:09:56 hrw|gone: How did your tests for m4 turn out? I am compiling successfully with it. Jan 22 17:13:37 RP: You said there are issues in bitbake trunk. I have run into a problem that is not just a nuisance but a real dealbreaker now, angstrom seems to not compile with 1.6.3. Are the rough edges in trunk serious enough to consider not to upgrade? Jan 22 17:17:58 Laibsch : Hi ! Did you manage to get icecc going ? Jan 22 17:40:02 Ifaistos: Yes, I did. I am not quite sure the scheduling algorithm always makes the right decisions and sometimes connections seem to be lost and other hickups. But in general, it works. Jan 22 17:40:06 And quite nicely. Jan 22 17:40:13 on the OE side Jan 22 17:48:36 So I'm reading the topic and it says no distro support channel. Where would I get help if 'bitbake gpe-image' isn't working, crashing on xserver-xorg ?? Jan 22 17:49:45 boorad: That is not a distro support question. Jan 22 17:50:15 cool, ideas then? Jan 22 17:50:15 You have come to the right place. Maybe it is a good idea to paste your console output to http://rafb.net Jan 22 17:50:31 k Jan 22 17:56:01 Laibsch : yes its true, scheduling seems 'weird' sometimes. Also what i have noticed is that several packages disable parallel builds...basicaly letting the host machine to do the build... Jan 22 17:56:42 Laibsch : i am working on getting qemu to build also using icecc Jan 22 17:57:10 Ifaistos: that's why we have multihreaded bitbake :) Jan 22 17:57:35 Laibsch, or others: http://paste.dprogramming.com/dpocw1ep.php Jan 22 17:57:41 koen : haven't found time to try it out to tell you the truth... :( Jan 22 17:58:50 when trying libxkbui, it says 0 packages merged or some such Jan 22 18:04:27 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rb89332cd... 10/ (1 conf/machine/ep93xx.conf): ep93xx: prefer kdrive Jan 22 18:04:34 koen: any thoughts on my paste ^^ Jan 22 18:05:50 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rb802ffe5... 10/ (1 packages/xorg-xserver/xorg-xserver-common.inc): xorg-xserver: diet-x11 doesn't provide kdb (yet), so depend on full-fat x11 again Jan 22 18:05:55 hello all Jan 22 18:06:07 koen: online at b&b or else? Jan 22 18:06:29 likewise: temporarely for tonight in an hotel in oirschot Jan 22 18:06:42 likewise: at what time do you start work on thurday? Jan 22 18:07:20 koen: normally, I start at 9:00, but if there's any reason to change that, it's open. Jan 22 18:07:29 I have a late shift (14.30 - 21.30) for the volunteer police, so I could hop by axon in the morning and go to the icesculpts after that Jan 22 18:08:13 koen: ok, good idea. I'm not sure till what time the icesculpts are open yet Jan 22 18:08:18 10.30 - 17.30 Jan 22 18:08:47 likewise, I am about to buy the follwoing for you Jan 22 18:09:07 * likewise hears goodies time Jan 22 18:09:07 1 picoPSU-60 33.95 usd Jan 22 18:09:25 3 picopsu-120 33.95usd Jan 22 18:09:45 1 CFDSIK2 12.95 usd Jan 22 18:09:45 OK? Jan 22 18:09:57 Crofton__: Yes, confirmed! Thanks in advance. Jan 22 18:09:59 np Jan 22 18:10:08 make sure you are at the beer event :) Jan 22 18:10:29 I cannot think why I would not be there. Jan 22 18:10:40 Or I'll start flogging them at inflated prices to cover my bill Jan 22 18:10:51 shipping will be neglible Jan 22 18:12:13 I'm thinking of what h/w to bring to fosdem, although I do not see much use for it, as probably every night will be beer night in some way. Jan 22 18:12:49 yeah Jan 22 18:14:25 Crofton: any thoughts of what goodies you would like to take back home (not that I know of anything very special, except maybe stroopwafels, Belgian beer, Belgian chocolate or Dutch dropjes). Jan 22 18:14:59 Belgian chocolate is good Jan 22 18:15:20 Small and light is good :) Jan 22 18:15:24 * koen suddenly remembers the copious amounts of candy in his bag Jan 22 18:15:38 hmmm Jan 22 18:15:46 and nothing that will get me in the line coming back where they put on the rubber gloves :) Jan 22 18:15:47 * koen heads downstairs for dinner instead Jan 22 18:16:05 koen: did you speak with gerwin yet? Jan 22 18:16:30 not yet Jan 22 18:16:38 Crofton: I'm not sure, but they have those chocolates with all kinds of special fillings :-) Jan 22 18:16:51 marzipan Jan 22 18:17:06 I was in Belgium about five years ago for a few days Jan 22 18:18:22 koen: I will ask him if he would like to join us on Tuesday. We'll probably eat in the city. Normally we go to someone but it would be too crowded this time (8 ppl or so). Jan 22 18:23:19 morning Jan 22 18:23:22 'lo Jan 22 18:23:44 Does anyone know if the target "native" misbehaves? I can cross-compile easily but native blows up in my face Jan 22 18:26:48 koen: I'd like to discuss your MACHINE_ENDIAN response - got a minute? Jan 22 18:27:58 Crofton: feh.. just make your own marzipan...:) There is even a recipie on cans of solo almond pie filling :) Jan 22 18:28:24 * hvontres|poodle has been there done that... and he grew up near Luebeck :) Jan 22 18:30:00 maybe I will bring an extra bad so I can haul decent food back Jan 22 18:30:17 I may have to get wookey to bring some marmite :) Jan 22 18:36:46 Hello Jan 22 18:39:21 RP: I may be crazy, but It seems to say in the pxa270 manual that base of pxafb has to be in 555 format for overlays to work Jan 22 18:39:38 RP: but I dont understand why as the base cant be transparent Jan 22 18:44:24 can somebody give me a hint where I can read something for using OE on a 770? (I have zaurus 3100 experience) Jan 22 18:44:49 RP: koen has replied to my MACHINE_ENDIAN RFC with the exact opposite recommendation to what you gave me. How do I resolve this non-consensus in the OE core team, so that I know which path to take? Jan 22 18:45:29 rwhitby: bring baseball bat to FOSDEM, see who is tuff enuff Jan 22 18:45:40 heh Jan 22 18:45:58 it would be *much* easier to discuss these things over a beer, rather than a mailing list. Jan 22 18:48:27 As it stands, I now have a monotone repo with working files that have MACHINE_ENDIAN changes uncommitted. Do I ditch those changes? Do I commit them? How long do I wait for consensus before I just act in the way that I think is best (after gathering conflicting input from the OE core team)? Jan 22 18:55:52 what's the package name for the cross compiler Jan 22 18:56:08 just gcc? Jan 22 18:56:11 I need g++ Jan 22 18:56:41 rwhitby: sounds like we should democratically call for a vote among the core guys. Jan 22 18:57:07 I didn't have time to look into your proposal yet, sorry Jan 22 18:57:48 mickeyl: this seems to be a pretty core issue when you have a class of machines, which all need the same override in multiple places in the .bb file, but then half of them need an additional override, and the other half need a different additional override. Jan 22 18:58:05 (i.e. ixp4xx, nslu2be and nslu2le) Jan 22 18:58:53 VoodooZ: normally that would be {$OEDIR}/tmp/cross/bin/arm-something-g++ Jan 22 18:59:08 rwhitby: i promise to comment tomorrow. i'm just a bit overloaded atm. Jan 22 18:59:46 mickeyl: my current set of changes just replace ARCH_BYTE_SEX with MACHINE_ENDIAN. It doesn't add any new instances, but it does make MACHINE_ENDIAN no longer a slugos-specific variable. Jan 22 19:00:10 I assume no-one will have so much of a problem with that, that they would disapprove a commit ? Jan 22 19:01:08 i don't think so, as a matter of fact that commit will only change something that has been "private" to nslu2 anyway, right? what we are going to do with MACHINE_ENDIAN on a larger scope is another issue Jan 22 19:01:27 right Jan 22 19:01:39 Hello Jan 22 19:02:02 * rwhitby wonders what a quorum is for OE core team support of a commit ... ;-) Jan 22 19:02:33 hey sifred Jan 22 19:03:21 in fact, there is no real distinction between core and non-core. If we were to call for a vote on that proposal, i'd hope that only those feel entitled to respond/vote that know the consequences. Jan 22 19:03:48 if it's 50:50, then we have to elect a BDFL first Jan 22 19:03:53 XorA|gone: Hello Jan 22 19:04:51 hmm, yet another Gtk+ release Jan 22 19:04:58 they're cranking on bugfixes these days Jan 22 19:06:44 sirfred: hows the xdriver? Jan 22 19:07:13 XorA|gone: Well, I didn't have much time lately, and anyway, I was waiting for some changes at kernel level. Jan 22 19:07:58 XorA|gone: Trying to support 320x240 modes correctly, and also clean some code for things that should better be done in w100fb Jan 22 19:09:06 sirfred: cool Jan 22 19:09:21 sirfred: can we persuade you to do the C3X00 series next :-) Jan 22 19:09:48 XorA|gone: What hardware ? Jan 22 19:09:59 XorA|gone: I mean, what graphics hardware. Jan 22 19:10:26 koen: Thanks for the update of xorg-server to the full fat one, got it building now :) Jan 22 19:10:26 * mreimer really wants to spend some time getting Ximageon working on hx4700 Jan 22 19:11:54 sirfred: pxa270 LCD driver with YUV overlay Jan 22 19:12:14 XorA|gone: That mean available specs ? Jan 22 19:12:27 sirfred: yeah, they are on intel.com Jan 22 19:12:48 XorA|gone: But, it's not funny if you don't have the hardware Jan 22 19:13:45 XorA|gone: Just curious, but, with public specs, isn't there any job on that? Lack of interest? Jan 22 19:14:02 sirfred: Im taking a look at it Jan 22 19:14:11 XorA|gone: Great Jan 22 19:14:12 XorA|gone: isn't there already a pxa270 overlay driver floating around? Jan 22 19:14:42 could anybody look at bug 1811, it is support for Palm Zire 72 Jan 22 19:15:11 mreimer: yes, but I havent yet managed to get it to show colours Jan 22 19:17:38 XorA|gone: Only black and white? Jan 22 19:20:22 mreimer: About the hx4700, probably basic acceleration will be fixed with the changes I'm in the middle of Jan 22 19:20:44 mreimer: And for the rotation/scaling ... perhaps you could try to understand how ENG_CNTL works on that card. Jan 22 19:24:32 sirfred: thanks. I looked at it a bit yesterday. my next step is to dump the registers under haret and see if I can figure out what other registers may have changed format Jan 22 19:31:42 Maybe this question appears a bit strange, but will there be free WIFI access at FOSDEM? Jan 22 19:32:14 Laibsch: no problems with m4 1.4.4 rather Jan 22 19:34:28 Nice. Can I check it in? Jan 22 19:35:31 hrw: BTW, I will be coming to FOSDEM. I rerouted my flight back from Japan to go into Brussels. Jan 22 19:36:24 Laibsch: great :) Jan 22 19:36:39 sirfred: lack of pxa27x hardware is not a problem - you can get spitz which is on my desk Jan 22 19:37:09 sounds like a real big #oe party in Brussels Jan 22 19:37:36 ~summon schurig IMMIEDATELLY Jan 22 19:37:38 apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing schurig IMMIEDATELLY's coordinates Jan 22 19:37:50 hrw: Oh, thanks a lot for the offer. Jan 22 19:38:19 hrw: I will take it into acount if I eventually decide to put my hands on that. Jan 22 19:38:58 Worse problem is lack of time, I need to win lottery to get time for my hobbies. Jan 22 19:40:23 http://quatech.com/ - someone know them? Jan 22 19:40:46 hrw: congratulations on your new job! Jan 22 19:40:53 mreimer: thx Jan 22 19:40:57 hrw: nope, never heard of them Jan 22 19:40:59 sirfred: only black :-( Jan 22 19:41:03 hey mreimer & sirfred Jan 22 19:41:11 koen: lot of 802.11 hardware Jan 22 19:41:12 hey koen Jan 22 19:41:12 koen: Hello Jan 22 19:41:39 XorA|gone: Oh, I was thinking that if you only got greytones, perhaps you was not configuring properly UV planes. Jan 22 19:41:48 But if you only get black... Jan 22 19:42:04 sirfred: yeah, I want random garbage, then I try and write the real stuff Jan 22 19:42:11 sirfred: anyway I have to go eat dinner Jan 22 19:43:35 hrw: yeah, quatech is about 30 minutes from here Jan 22 19:43:47 hrw: I know several people who used to work there, but company has been sold since. Jan 22 19:44:00 cbrake: I got contact from them Jan 22 19:45:09 hrw: neat -- small world :-) Jan 22 19:46:01 koen: got time to discuss MACHINE_ENDIAN? Jan 22 19:46:51 sure Jan 22 19:46:59 I still think it's a bad idea :) Jan 22 19:47:32 :-) Jan 22 19:47:34 I still feel like throwing stuff out of the window if I look at ixp4xx.conf and all it's python magic Jan 22 19:48:00 koen: one of the things I intend doing today is making ixp4xx.conf use the tune-xscale file Jan 22 19:48:02 rwhitby: +1 from me but ixp4xxle/ixp4xxbe configs are nice too Jan 22 19:48:20 hrw: ixp4xxle would set MACHINE_ENDIAN then call ixp4xx Jan 22 19:48:28 rwhitby: exactly Jan 22 19:48:32 hi Lorn Jan 22 19:49:09 hrw: if you set MACHINE=ixp4xxle, would you expect any _ixp4xx common overrides to be in effect? Jan 22 19:49:15 I bet I can convince bitbake to set MACHINE_ENDIAN to le and use MACHINE=ixp4xxbe Jan 22 19:49:26 rwhitby: rather not Jan 22 19:50:10 hrw: so anywhere where there is currently a _ixp4xx override in the metadata, you would expect now for there to be all three of _ixp4xx, _ixp4xxle, and _ixp4xxbe ? Jan 22 19:50:21 http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2007-01/mcgyver-paperclip.jpg Jan 22 19:50:22 (for things that are not related to endianness) Jan 22 19:51:08 hrw: where do you find these gems? Jan 22 19:51:31 rwhitby: ixp4xx.conf can add 'ixp4xx' into overrides so no need for ixp4xxle/be by most of time Jan 22 19:51:32 hvontres|poodle: my boss had part 5 of the wheel of time :) Jan 22 19:51:36 hvontres|poodle: misc places Jan 22 19:51:38 so my week has been saved :) Jan 22 19:52:16 Are you guys going to be at the Roy d'Espagne or is there some other #oe event Friday evening? Jan 22 19:52:17 hrw: that's what I meant. setting MACHINE to ixp4xxle would add ${MACHINE} and "ixp4xx" to the OVERRIDES. Jan 22 19:52:27 (that's what it does today) Jan 22 19:52:47 (but I want to find a better way to do that too, cause the way it is done in ixp4xx.conf today is a real hack. Jan 22 19:53:02 beer! Jan 22 19:53:13 rwhitby: MACHINE_* namespace is MUCH better then mistic ARCH_BYTE_SEX var Jan 22 19:53:45 koen: saw your email on two machines and parallel building. Adding ixp4xxle which just sets MACHINE_ENDIAN and then calls ixp4xx.conf will not affect your ability to use either machine in parallel builds. Jan 22 19:53:52 hrw: but is it machine related or policy? Jan 22 19:54:20 endian is machine related Jan 22 19:54:20 rwhitby: if you already have seperate machines, why do you need a magic flag? Jan 22 19:54:36 the question is more about how to denote that machine endian choice throughout the rest of the OE metadata - by switching on machine overrides, or by examining MACHINE_ENDIAN Jan 22 19:55:02 rwhitby: http://www.openembedded.org/user-manual&dpage=chapter_reference#id2561814 Jan 22 19:55:10 rwhitby: there is a function to check endian already Jan 22 19:55:15 "The following from the net-snmp recipe shows an example of using the existing site file entries for endianess to pass the required endianess option to the configure script:" Jan 22 19:56:33 koen, hrw: (note that I am not religiously tied to one solution or the other - I'm willing to change based on what the best solution is identified to be) Jan 22 19:56:41 hrw: check out the "McGruber" clips at NBC.com...if they'll let you :) Jan 22 19:57:50 bbiab Jan 22 19:58:03 koen: so is it better to call that function once, and set (say) IXP4XX_MACHINE_ENDIAN and use that throughout, or to call that function in the 13 different bb files that currently use MACHINE_ENDIAN? Jan 22 19:58:57 use that function in the bbfiles I guess Jan 22 19:59:16 I would hate having to set 2 things to get be to work Jan 22 20:00:47 here are the different ways MACHINE_ENDIAN is currently used (so we can refer to the different situations in our discussion here): http://pastebin.ca/324956 Jan 22 20:02:32 PACKAGE_ARCH_kernel-image-nslu2 = "nslu2${MACHINE_ENDIAN}" highlight why you want to have seperate machines Jan 22 20:02:38 koen: is your objection about needing to set MACHINE_ENDIAN in your local.conf (or auto.conf or wherever), or is your objection about using an internal (say) IXP4XX_MACHINE_ENDIAN variable throughout the metadata to denote a decision which has been made in the ixp4xx.conf machine file, or is it both? Jan 22 20:02:56 both Jan 22 20:03:12 I still think it's a lot clearer and simpler to have seperate machine.confs Jan 22 20:03:15 koen: actually, that file produces five different kernel files, that is not a machine override. Jan 22 20:03:35 koen: I don't disagree on having separate machine confs. Jan 22 20:04:11 if you have seperate confs, the autofoo stuff I linked to should be enough, right? Jan 22 20:04:35 enough to set an IXP4XX_MACHINE_ENDIAN variable that I use in other files, yes. Jan 22 20:04:57 (rather than duplicate the autofoo stuff everywhere that endianness needs to be known) Jan 22 20:05:07 but do you *need* a IXP4XX_MACHINE_ENDIAN flag? Jan 22 20:05:26 or is it just convinience? Jan 22 20:05:29 that is the question at hand, yes. Jan 22 20:05:58 as you can see from the pastebin, there are various different ways that MACHINE_ENDIAN is currently used. Jan 22 20:06:23 (i.e. some are easy to do with _ixp4xxle/be,_nslu2le/be machine overrides) Jan 22 20:07:18 others would require duplicating the autofoo stuff in each .bb file, or testing on (${MACHINE}=ixp4xxle, or nslu2le, ...) Jan 22 20:08:13 in some files the autofoo stuff would need to be done in multiple places, or else you use an IXP4XX_KERNEL_IXP4XX_MACHINE_ENDIAN variable that is local to just that .bb file. Jan 22 20:08:26 about testing for ixp, are those ixp specific, or is ixp the only machines that currently uses those? Jan 22 20:09:18 for all of them except apex, ixp4xx (or nslu2) would be the only compatible machines, yes. Jan 22 20:09:56 ok Jan 22 20:10:08 does that indicate a better way to do this? Jan 22 20:10:28 I think my main point is: autofoo works always, MACHINE_ENDIAN requires people to add it to their machines Jan 22 20:10:40 (oh, madwifi is another one that is not ixp4xx-specific) Jan 22 20:10:56 (but that patch in madwifi is not done properly anyway and needs to be changed) Jan 22 20:11:38 koen: I agree with you on reducing the number of variables people have to set to get things to work properly. Jan 22 20:12:18 how about if I call it IXP4XX_MACHINE_ENDIAN, use it throughout, and make sure that anywhere I use it also most have a COMPATIBLE_MACHINES set to ixp4xx (or derivatives)? Jan 22 20:12:27 s/most/must/ Jan 22 20:12:47 then I set it in ixp4xx.conf, and then no-one can accidentally forget to set it. Jan 22 20:13:14 (and in any file which is not specific to ixp4xx, I use the autofoo stuff instead) Jan 22 20:13:23 that would be acceptable, although still on the convinience side of things Jan 22 20:13:26 (or a machine override) Jan 22 20:13:35 is this an autoconf version error? "error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DEFINE" Jan 22 20:14:20 JustinP: it's hard to distinguish between b0rkage and version mismatch with autofoo :( Jan 22 20:14:51 catholic god himself invented autotools just for amusement Jan 22 20:14:51 first there was the great flood, then the plague, now autotools Jan 22 20:15:04 lol Jan 22 20:15:25 kergoth: its from #oe Jan 22 20:15:40 ok. time to watch Sean talk Jan 22 20:16:01 koen: ok, I will change ARCH_BYTE_SEX to IXP4XX_MACHINE_ENDIAN throughout, set that in ixp4xx.conf (which is included by all of ixp4xxle, ixp4xxbe, nslu2le, nslu2be), add compatible machine tests anywhere that I use IXP4XX_MACHINE_ENDIAN, and use autofoo elsewhere. deal? Jan 22 20:16:39 rwhitby: almost :) Jan 22 20:16:53 koen: :-) ok, what's the delta? Jan 22 20:17:17 rwhitby: set IXP4XX_MACHINE_ENDIAN in ixple.conf and ixpbe.conf and remove python magic from include/ixp Jan 22 20:17:56 koen: I agree with the intent - I may need help on the implementation of that last bit. Jan 22 20:19:11 the reason why I wanted to move almost everything into ixp4xx.conf is that people add stuff to ixp4xxle.conf, but forget to add the corresponding lines to ixp4xxbe.conf - causing maintenance problems (this has already happened with tune-xscale for instance, which is directly applicable without changes to the ixp4xxbe machine too) Jan 22 20:20:23 putting it all in a common ixp4xx.conf (switched on IXP4XX_MACHINE_ENDIAN) means that people are forced to consider how it applies to the other endian case (if it does), or at worst, they put it in unconditionally and someone else fixes it for the other endianness Jan 22 20:20:33 right, but that's a matter of policy Jan 22 20:20:47 I still haven't figured out how include/ixp works Jan 22 20:20:55 after spending some *hours* on it Jan 22 20:21:10 you mean all the thumb stuff? Jan 22 20:21:23 how everything fits together Jan 22 20:21:27 (I want to move all that stuff out and use tune-thumb) Jan 22 20:21:36 why there are overrides that are never used, etc Jan 22 20:22:17 koen: I agree, and I'm intending on cleaning that up as I go (i.e. there are slugos specific variables which simply mirror existing global variables for no reason) Jan 22 20:22:18 it's the trade of between making easy changes to 2 files (ixp{le,be} or one very hard change to the include Jan 22 20:22:38 (e.g. slugos_imagesex should be removed, as should ixp4xx_suffix) Jan 22 20:23:10 koen: yeah, I figured....well, mpd 0.12.1 is failing with that error....guess I'll dig deeper Jan 22 20:23:38 I've stopped working on my loft temporarely since I don't want to spend half an hour 'porting' a change I made to h2200.conf to include/ixp Jan 22 20:24:21 koen: ok, how about I work solidly on include/ixp4xx to fix that? Jan 22 20:24:33 that would be cool Jan 22 20:25:01 I really think ixp maintenance would be easier of someone syncs up ixple.conf to ixpbe.conf once a month Jan 22 20:25:09 (as I have the same problem. John Bowler wrote most of include/ixp4xx, and made it very general, but its too general, and doesn't use enough of the standard OE practices (like tune-xscale and tune-thumb) Jan 22 20:25:55 rwhitby: it's too general for ixp4xx Jan 22 20:26:01 JustinP: for which machine or you building mpd? I think I compiled it for powerpc recently without error. Not sure if it was 0.12.0 or 0.12.1 Jan 22 20:26:12 koen: looking at http://pastebin.ca/324956, are lines like line 5 acceptably non-complex? Jan 22 20:26:18 in the sense of "world famous in your own village" (dutch proverb) Jan 22 20:27:03 likewise: building it from OE for my Z. happens in .dev and .oz354x (note: 0.12.x is not in OE as yet). Build in gentoo also works fine... Jan 22 20:27:21 koen: I fully agree that the things like ARM_ARCHITECTURES and PACKAGE_EXTRA_ARCHS and PACKAGE_EXTRA_ARCHS is way over the top for ixp4xx, and I intend on simplifying or removing all of that. Jan 22 20:27:23 rwhitby: personally, I'd just put EXTRA_IMAGECMD_jffs2 = "---endian" in both ixp configs Jan 22 20:28:09 likewise: although I'm not sure if gentoo is autoreconf-ing Jan 22 20:28:10 koen: ok, let me look at those and tend towards clarity rather than generality Jan 22 20:28:29 koen: thanks for the discussion - I will implement this today. Jan 22 20:28:39 rwhitby: the dillemma I had was that fixing it properly requires a few iterations and discussion, which would mean slugos is essentially broken for a few weeks Jan 22 20:28:39 (gotta get ready for work now) Jan 22 20:29:15 koen: I will make sure that slugos stays working throughout. Jan 22 20:29:42 and will consult closely with yourself and the other OE core team members as I make the changes. Jan 22 20:29:45 I wasn't sure if I could garantee that Jan 22 20:31:00 koen: I think this is a good outcome, and I'm happy with it. Jan 22 20:31:25 cool Jan 22 20:31:38 (i will follow up the RFC to document the decision) Jan 22 20:32:21 RP, hrw, mickeyl are you guys all cool with the result? Jan 22 20:42:32 <_law_> koen: PREFERRED_PROVIDERS += " virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}gcc:gcc-cross" could this be the problem? Jan 22 20:42:43 <_law_> is there a new sample.conf? Jan 22 20:46:44 _law_: http://rafb.net/p/e36Dqb45.html Jan 22 20:48:21 <_law_> koen: so no more virtual/gcc in local.conf? Jan 22 20:48:29 nope Jan 22 20:49:07 <_law_> koen: ok so this could be the problem Jan 22 20:49:35 could be Jan 22 20:50:11 koen: interesting for you? http://tree.celinuxforum.org/CelfPubWiki/ELC2007CallForPresentations Jan 22 20:51:02 likewise: I've been fishing for the non-speaker celf funding celf/tim promised for OE devs :) Jan 22 20:51:22 but I think it will end up drawing virtual straws between OE devs :) Jan 22 20:51:38 koen: depends on the amount of funding :-) Jan 22 20:52:29 is the data corruption bug patch for Linux 2.6.19 in OE anywere? Jan 22 20:52:40 I happen to be in the US probably April 17, 18 and 19 Jan 22 20:53:25 Gerrath: the ext3 bugfix for .1 or .2 you mean? Jan 22 20:53:54 s/for/in Jan 22 20:54:19 Gerrath: rpsys.net/openzaurus/patches/xscale_cache_workaround-r1.patch Jan 22 20:56:20 koen, I have that already, oh well. I'm having a strange problem were php and sqlite play well together with Linux-2.6.17 but if I boot Linux-2.6.19 php-sqlite works some of the time, randomly returns incorrect data. Jan 22 20:56:54 koen, I though the data corruption bug might some how be to blame, but I guess not Jan 22 21:00:56 likewise, is that bug only related to ext3? Jan 22 21:01:22 likewise, I guess I can google it, sorry :-) Jan 22 21:05:10 Gerrath: read it on the LKML, good you brought it up :-) Jan 22 21:07:57 hey zecke Jan 22 21:08:01 :) Jan 22 21:08:26 listening to QSA in the new office rocks! Jan 22 21:11:52 cu Jan 22 21:12:04 hrw|gone: congrats! Jan 22 21:16:36 hi zecke Jan 22 21:17:25 zecke: QSA = quiet study area? Jan 22 21:17:45 Queens of the Stone Age Jan 22 21:18:09 * koen order a n800 Jan 22 21:18:16 * likewise is moving to new offices in 5 weeks Jan 22 21:18:34 * likewise should remind koen it is a bit of a mess at axon currently (because of that) Jan 22 21:18:40 zecke: qsa rocks live as well Jan 22 21:18:54 i bet, with dave grohl as drummer? Jan 22 21:18:56 likewise: btw, I have my 770 with me Jan 22 21:19:00 ~lart me for losing vo_pxafb patch Jan 22 21:19:00 Dave Grohl rock Jan 22 21:19:00 * ibot puts xora|food through a wood chipper for losing vo_pxafb patch Jan 22 21:19:01 ~lart me for losing vo_pxafb patch Jan 22 21:19:02 ~lart me for losing vo_pxafb patch Jan 22 21:19:13 zecke: no, they had the gorilla dude when I saw them Jan 22 21:19:21 XorA|food: you ate it? Jan 22 21:19:31 XorA|food: reiserfs? Jan 22 21:19:33 koen: think I forgot to save it somewhere :-( Jan 22 21:20:29 or you saved it somewhere, but can't remember where Jan 22 21:21:53 koen: nice. btw, how was your day today? Jan 22 21:22:38 http://xkcd.com/c208.html Jan 22 21:23:45 likewise: lots of coffee and a big lunch :) Jan 22 21:23:48 koen: nah, it will have been inside my tmp/ directory which I guess I nuked long ago Jan 22 21:24:10 and a got few chapters further in my book Jan 22 21:24:33 koen: you should have said you were reading WoT Jan 22 21:24:48 XorA: I only started 2 weeks ago :) Jan 22 21:25:04 koen: I just binned the whole series Jan 22 21:25:25 * XorA would have posted them for free Jan 22 21:25:33 ah, drat Jan 22 21:25:56 I started something like 15 years ago, I got so bored Jan 22 21:26:04 although I did get the books either on my bday or bought them from bday money :) Jan 22 21:27:00 * koen go zzzz now Jan 22 21:32:43 sleep tite Jan 22 21:35:52 I'm so excited about OpenMoko and I find it funny that on *kde no one is aware of it :} Jan 22 21:38:15 My OSK doesn't loadthe ochi_hcd module automatically Jan 22 21:38:23 is there a trick to get it to do this? Jan 22 21:38:55 the CF stuff seesm to work fine Jan 22 21:39:05 Crofton: change your kernel.bb file Jan 22 21:39:21 Crofton: there is some magic to make update-modules generate the right autoload for you Jan 22 21:39:58 Crofton: http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/classes/kernel.bbclass Jan 22 21:40:05 ok Jan 22 21:40:08 thanks Jan 22 21:40:09 Crofton: e.g. module_autoload_hidp = "hidp" Jan 22 21:40:33 Crofton: for the ohci-hcd module package you can make it autoload ohci-hcd Jan 22 21:43:22 I am sure, the kde guys are aware of the openmoko... Jan 22 21:43:48 Expect me, no one is ware of it :( Jan 22 21:44:43 rwhitby: fine with me Jan 22 21:44:47 ljp counts the days he sees qtopia on the moko Jan 22 21:44:48 ohci-hcd is translated to ohci_hcd? Jan 22 21:44:56 Laibsch: of course. Roy D'espagne on friday is a must :) Jan 22 21:45:32 zecke: really? d'oh. they need a clue. could you spread the word? Jan 22 21:46:00 mickeyl: not really :} Jan 22 21:48:26 Crofton: good question and the answer is I don't remember ATM Jan 22 21:48:42 ok Jan 22 21:48:48 I'll build and see what happens Jan 22 21:48:55 I copied from anothe rbb file Jan 22 21:57:50 philippe: thanks. I meant as a package so I natively compile on my nslu2 Jan 22 21:58:33 mickeyl: Good, I will see you guys there. My plane arrives after 10PM on Friday evening which is why I wanted to confirm I won't be going to the Roy to discover everybody already left. Jan 22 21:59:29 hmm, don't take a taxi at that time, or don't be as stupid as I'm :} Jan 22 22:02:22 zecke: What do you mean? To be honest it did not occur to me that the trains might have stopped running? Jan 22 22:02:38 I hope they do still run as that is what I was going to take. Jan 22 22:02:39 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * rcf72726f... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): m4: upgrade to 1.4.4 after hrw tested successfully. Jan 22 22:02:58 Laibsch: they should run Jan 22 22:03:02 OK Jan 22 22:03:46 zecke: Any particularly bad experience with a taxi? -> "... or don't be as stupid as I'm :}" Jan 22 22:04:09 heh Jan 22 22:04:15 zecke can tell you a story about taxies... Jan 22 22:04:51 Laibsch: the roy is probably populated until 2 or 3 in the night Jan 22 22:04:51 Laibsch: Wait until february Jan 22 22:05:40 Great Jan 22 22:06:14 I hope I am not too jetlagged. 2 or 3 will be 10 to 11 in the morning for me by then ;-) Jan 22 22:07:34 It will be odd coming from the US, I basically arrive in EU about 2AM US time Jan 22 22:07:39 but 8AM eu time Jan 22 22:07:51 so going to bed issilly Jan 22 22:08:22 I need to stay on US time so I can stay up late easier :) Jan 22 22:08:40 going to bed is always silly Jan 22 22:08:42 heh Jan 22 22:08:48 * mickeyl notoriously needs much sleep Jan 22 22:09:48 getting old sucks Jan 22 22:10:02 indeed :) Jan 22 22:10:20 * mickeyl 0x23 Jan 22 22:11:24 * Crofton__ is XLV Jan 22 22:11:30 mickeyl: You said to check configure.ac for packages failed configure since they needed autoconf 2.60 or later. What do I need to look for? I grepped for "-I autoconf" but found nothing interesting. Jan 22 22:11:52 mickeyl: I think I found it. Jan 22 22:12:06 AC_PREREQ(2.60b) Jan 22 22:12:11 righto Jan 22 22:13:00 Laibsch: AC_PREREQ([2.60]) Jan 22 22:14:09 good nite all Jan 22 22:15:54 Is there a quick or something to look for and check if 2.60b is really needed? Earlier configure.ac had 2.57 as requirement. Jan 22 22:16:22 browse the cvs/svn/git of the project? Jan 22 22:18:27 Looking for what? Jan 22 22:18:47 Laibsch: find the rev that change the AC_PREREQ and hope the dev documented it Jan 22 22:19:09 talking about sleep... Jan 22 22:19:24 * mickeyl heads toward producing z's... Jan 22 22:19:31 hehe Jan 22 22:29:26 night Jan 22 23:01:21 03crofton 07org.oe.dev * r6a884c52... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-omap1.inc): Jan 22 23:01:21 linux-omap1.inc : autoload ohci_hcd module so USB works without manual Jan 22 23:01:21 intervention. Jan 23 01:53:26 dumb question == what linux distro is compatible/supported when building with OE? Jan 23 01:53:44 i remember a time when debian was the thing to use, and RH sorta didn't work all of the time. Jan 23 01:55:06 dougt: I am using Fedora, works on FC4, FC5 and FC6, can't say much about other distros because I never tried Jan 23 01:55:50 do you also use scratchbox? Jan 23 01:56:10 what's that? Jan 23 01:59:07 oe is to build env as scratchbox is to simulator Jan 23 02:00:23 I guess I am not using that Jan 23 02:06:36 dougt: I use OE on Debian Sarge, Debian Etch, and CentOS 4 (RHEL4). Jan 23 02:06:55 for fun? :-) Jan 23 02:07:26 the nslu2-linux autobuilders run sarge. I run etch on my laptop, and I run CentOS on the work machine (it has to run Centos) Jan 23 02:07:44 oic. Jan 23 02:07:59 but it also helps to make sure the nslu2-linux build environment is nicely portable. Jan 23 02:22:58 dougt, FC3-FC6 works fine for me Jan 23 02:23:29 thanks. I am downloading the images. now. :-) Jan 23 02:23:37 one of OE's features is that it is pretty much orthognal to what distro you use **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 23 02:59:59 2007