**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 26 02:59:59 2007 Jan 26 04:42:37 Is anyone here experienced in altboot internals? Jan 26 04:45:40 I hacked it a bit Jan 26 04:47:24 Does it require anything special in the base rootfs other than standard shell commands and a console for configuration? Jan 26 04:47:38 (i.e. any reason why it wouldn't run on a slug?) Jan 26 04:48:07 JustinP: which target did you support? Jan 26 04:52:06 I was doing spiz support Jan 26 04:52:13 also abstracted the fs checking and such Jan 26 04:52:15 spitz Jan 26 04:52:24 should only need normal sh commands Jan 26 04:53:47 is there an easy way to test it, without actually booting a kernel with it as /sbin/init? Jan 26 04:54:34 you could try just running its init script... Jan 26 04:54:58 install it, then re-link your /sbin/init so it doesn't take it over... Jan 26 04:56:29 I wonder if ixp4xx has kexec support ... Jan 26 04:56:57 who is the maintainer of altboot? Are they in IRC regularly? Jan 26 04:57:23 CoreDump Jan 26 04:57:29 he hasn;t been around lately, though... Jan 26 04:57:43 aha - now the names match up. Thanks. Jan 26 04:58:26 CoreDump|home: ping (re: altboot - will send you an email too) Jan 26 05:16:15 RP: around? I've ported my patch to 2.6.18 but it's not able to grab an IRQ Jan 26 05:17:57 does the C3200 have a real serial port? Jan 26 05:18:20 the connector on the back can be used for serial, yes Jan 26 05:18:30 but only (reliably) with the Sharp connector Jan 26 05:18:33 cable Jan 26 05:20:36 any cool stuff i can do with my C3200? Jan 26 05:20:38 just got it Jan 26 05:21:03 i tried opie & gpe Jan 26 05:21:09 then choose opie Jan 26 05:23:54 lots of cool stuff Jan 26 05:24:02 I like e17 myself ^_^ Jan 26 05:24:14 i've read thats very unfinshed? Jan 26 05:27:29 true Jan 26 05:27:35 :-) Jan 26 05:28:46 so Jan 26 05:28:49 whats cool to do? Jan 26 05:32:45 * JustinP shrugs Jan 26 05:32:49 listen to music Jan 26 05:33:28 only 6gb Jan 26 05:33:36 and not really any media players Jan 26 05:48:09 sure there are Jan 26 05:48:13 I use mpd Jan 26 05:50:23 ... thats a backend Jan 26 05:50:40 gmpc/glurp/mpc/ncmpc/py-libmpdlcient Jan 26 05:52:15 anything opie complient? Jan 26 05:52:52 not that I kno of Jan 26 05:52:56 I used mpc when I was using opie Jan 26 05:53:00 * JustinP uses GPE Jan 26 05:53:43 anyway Jan 26 05:53:46 i use wavpack Jan 26 05:54:20 never heard of it Jan 26 05:54:43 interesting... Jan 26 05:54:53 possible that mpd has a plugin for it but not that I know of Jan 26 05:55:21 * JustinP uses flac for lossless audio Jan 26 05:58:25 wavpack is just.... nicer Jan 26 05:58:30 and hybrid is cool Jan 26 06:00:56 id3v1? seems a bit.....old.... Jan 26 06:00:59 daurnimator: opie-mediaplayer2 Jan 26 06:01:13 or xmms for opie Jan 26 06:01:25 uh Jan 26 06:01:26 ape Jan 26 06:01:34 id3v1 for backwards compat Jan 26 06:06:27 id3v2 Jan 26 06:11:06 good morning all Jan 26 06:23:36 RP: could my patch be causing my FSed not to unmount on shutdown? Jan 26 06:57:05 hey koen|gprs Jan 26 07:07:28 * rwhitby is hoping that the combination of the arm kexec patch, and kexec-tools, and altboot, would allow an NSLU2 to boot from kernel and rootfs both on external disk ... Jan 26 07:07:51 hey Jan 26 07:08:06 my CS3200 just turned itself off Jan 26 07:08:06 now it won't turn on Jan 26 07:08:06 battery is full Jan 26 07:08:27 daurnimator: remove AC cable and battery, wait 5 seconds.. it sometimes does that after it's been charging for hours Jan 26 07:09:06 still not turning on Jan 26 07:10:00 Try hitting the reset button inside the battery compartment? Jan 26 07:10:20 reset button? Jan 26 07:10:55 Yeah, little black button about halfway along the left edge of the battery compartment Jan 26 07:11:03 Just below the gold pads on the PCB Jan 26 07:11:41 nothing Jan 26 07:11:44 oh wait Jan 26 07:12:04 nothing Jan 26 07:13:35 Hmm, that's really weird Jan 26 07:14:23 wtf Jan 26 07:14:29 whats wrong Jan 26 07:15:15 So you're removing all power, hitting reset, putting the battery back in, and booting? Jan 26 07:15:29 not booting :S Jan 26 07:15:44 Does the HDD spin up at all? Jan 26 07:15:49 no Jan 26 07:16:14 AH! Jan 26 07:16:14 Is it powered by battery alone, or AC adaptor too? Jan 26 07:16:25 i put the battery cover on Jan 26 07:16:27 and it turned on :S Jan 26 07:17:20 Yeah Jan 26 07:17:26 It won't boot while the cover switch is open Jan 26 07:24:19 wtf :( Jan 26 07:24:47 It's a safeguard against disconnecting the power unexpectedly Jan 26 07:24:57 If you open the switch while it's on, it suspends Jan 26 07:26:09 still kinda silly. (but, that's Sharp) Jan 26 07:29:25 hi all Jan 26 07:33:06 vlc-gpe is it compatible with epia(x86) ? Jan 26 07:33:09 please Jan 26 07:33:43 and how i specify the log files to found all error when i start bitbake packet Jan 26 07:41:04 re Jan 26 07:41:37 how i do to specify the files log when i run bitbake package Jan 26 08:25:41 disaster: the logs files are in tmp/work/package/temp/log.* Jan 26 08:34:33 morning Jan 26 08:34:52 hi Jan 26 08:50:18 koen|away: mickey|zzZZzz mithro : Will yiu be in berlin on the 8th of august? Jan 26 08:58:01 * XorA so needs an epia HDTV PC Jan 26 09:02:44 morning Jan 26 09:14:53 hrw|work : hi Jan 26 09:17:00 XorA: This small maybe? http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2154184680.html Jan 26 09:39:27 CM: I think thats the device that reminded me Jan 26 09:39:39 I want that one too.. Jan 26 10:14:39 when is mickey going to have his speech at FOSDEM? Jan 26 10:15:09 hrw|work: If you want, I can take a look at those Japanese blogs. Jan 26 10:18:48 Laibsch: I did translation via excite Jan 26 10:20:52 I'm curious about what he said on LugRadio Jan 26 10:44:05 bye all i go eat Jan 26 11:14:46 03pb 07org.oe.dev * re26a0f98... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): libdrm: update to 2.3.0 Jan 26 11:27:47 03pb 07org.oe.dev * r9b087d31... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux-epia: enable in-kernel drm Jan 26 11:27:54 morning Jan 26 11:27:55 hey pb_ Jan 26 11:40:55 mickeyl: Hallo! Jan 26 11:41:12 hi schurig Jan 26 11:41:12 mickeyl: "Morning" is good ;-) Jan 26 11:41:21 hrw|work: hi 2u2! Jan 26 11:42:48 schurig: everything ok at your side? family? Jan 26 11:43:05 mickeyl: we're all coughing like mad, but otherwise good Jan 26 11:45:16 glad to hear Jan 26 11:59:15 hi mickeyl Jan 26 12:03:15 03pb 07org.oe.dev * raba2118e... 10/ (9 files in 4 dirs): mesa: update to 6.5.2 Jan 26 12:16:06 it doesn't seem to be possible to add a new machine config to altboot via the metadata - it all seems to come straight from the cvs repo (i.e. there's lots of stuff in packages/altboot/files, but none of it is used) Jan 26 12:16:37 * rwhitby is looking into how to add nslu2 support to altboot Jan 26 12:17:32 rwhitby: contact coredump Jan 26 12:18:22 hrw|work: thx Jan 26 12:20:32 in light of his absence, might think about downloading the machine config metadata from cvs and add it into OE Jan 26 12:20:39 would make more sense to me anyway Jan 26 12:21:09 good morning ppl Jan 26 12:23:29 hey likewise Jan 26 12:23:42 likewise: which ixp4xx target platforms do you build for? Jan 26 12:23:58 custom board and IXDP425 Jan 26 12:24:22 likewise: do you use a SlugOS derivative, or roll your own? Jan 26 12:25:26 rwhitby: I work from up-to-date oe/org.oe.dev branch, MACHINE = "ixp4xxbe", DISTRO = "openslug" and my own image. Jan 26 12:26:24 likewise: are you interested in moving to EABI (DISTRO=angstrom) ? Jan 26 12:26:41 rwhitby: I agree with the changes you and koen discussed, and yes to angstrom. Jan 26 12:26:59 (and did you have any problems building after my large set of changes the other day?) Jan 26 12:27:48 likewise: are you interested in altboot functionality for your image? (i.e. being able to pivot from internal flash to an external rootfs?) Jan 26 12:28:37 rwhitby: yes, one problem: armv5te packages were built, instead of armv5teb. Temporarely fixed by adding TARGET_ARCH = "armv5teb" to my local.conf. Jan 26 12:29:35 rwhitby: I probably do not need altboot myself, would it be purely userspace (initramfs maybe)? Jan 26 12:30:13 likewise: my reading of altboot (only starting looking into it today) is that it is an /sbin/init replacement with pivot-root's or kexec's. Jan 26 12:30:33 redguy: TARGET_ARCH, my ixp4xxbe.conf says TARGET_ARCH="armeb" Jan 26 12:31:22 oops, s/redguy/Re: / Jan 26 12:31:37 (directed to likewise, not redguy) Jan 26 12:33:07 rwhitby: I already had PACKAGE_ARCH = "armv5teb" in local.conf, I think from a discussion with koen. I think our packages are optimized/tuned for arm5vteb, not armeb in general. Correct? Jan 26 12:33:23 correct. Jan 26 12:33:24 s/arm5v/armv5 Jan 26 12:33:57 unfortunately, slugos feeds have _armeb, and I didn't want to change that for openslug distro. Jan 26 12:34:00 some one after me? Jan 26 12:34:38 rwhitby: so the goal is to have packages with armv5teb.ipk prefixes in the longer term (angstrom)? Jan 26 12:34:45 mithro: koen|away: mickey|zzZZzz mithro : Will yiu be in berlin on the 8th of august? Jan 26 12:34:47 s/pre/suf/ Jan 26 12:35:01 mithro: (four hours ago) Jan 26 12:35:01 mithro: Chao Camp is being held Jan 26 12:35:46 likewise: yes - slugos v5 will move to armv5teb packages Jan 26 12:35:56 (and maybe to EABI, if EABI supports BE by then) Jan 26 12:36:26 rwhitby: as far as I know EABI support BE, at least for my ep93xx it works. Jan 26 12:36:35 hi NAiL Jan 26 12:36:44 morning likewise :) Jan 26 12:36:59 likewise: so you are right - ixp4xxbe.conf incorrectly specifies armeb - that should be done in slugos-bag.conf, not in ixp4xxbe.conf (which should be armv5teb) Jan 26 12:37:08 hi Jan 26 12:37:15 benlau: :P Jan 26 12:37:51 morning rwhitby Jan 26 12:38:12 * rwhitby starts an angstrom build for nslu2be to see if it works. Jan 26 12:38:29 hey NAiL - your mail server is not accepting mail Jan 26 12:38:29 rwhitby: close to a last slugos build? Jan 26 12:38:47 rwhitby: I know. The disk died, and I've had it replaced. Jan 26 12:38:59 NAiL: still waiting for someone to fix the reflash script. otherwise we might need to pull Apex out. Jan 26 12:39:02 Currently, it's not booting, and I'm a bit too far away to fix it. Jan 26 12:39:52 rwhitby: btw, do you know if it's possible to use the rescue-mode of the fsg-3 from linux? Jan 26 12:40:10 my fsg is "broken", and I need to format the system drive :-\ Jan 26 12:40:19 * likewise is commencing a ixp4xxbe/angstrom build Jan 26 12:40:23 zecke: not unless somebody flies me to Berlin Jan 26 12:41:20 rwhitby: Is the reflash script complicated? I don't think I've ever looked at it. Jan 26 12:41:47 NAiL: not that complicated, if you can read devio commands :-) Jan 26 12:42:05 oh. devio lore is beyond me. Jan 26 12:42:07 NAiL: I only know of the FSA assistant windows program for the fsg-3 Jan 26 12:43:00 NAiL: actually, the bit which needs doing is just inserting a sercomm header in the middle of the kernel, so it could easily be done with expr and dd. Jan 26 12:43:43 What exactly is the sercomm header? Jan 26 12:47:40 NAiL: the 16 byte header that RedBoot reads to find out how long the ramdisk is, but for kernels > 1MB ends up in the middle of the kernel flash space Jan 26 12:47:58 (so we get Apex to skip that 16 bytes when reading the kernel into memory) Jan 26 12:48:20 (so when flashing from userspace, we need to add those 16 bytes back in before writing to /dev/mtdblock) Jan 26 12:49:23 that's the eRcoMM part, right? Jan 26 12:49:23 http://openzaurus.linuxtogo.org/wordpress/2007/01/26/openzaurus-355-status/ Jan 26 12:49:35 morning all Jan 26 12:50:20 RP: good morning Jan 26 12:50:39 RP: you targetting a M6000 board with the epia checkins recently? Jan 26 12:50:59 likewise: I've never touched epia Jan 26 12:51:38 never mind then, someone else is then and I am confused. Jan 26 12:51:50 Ah, pb is. Jan 26 12:52:05 must be two-letter word blindness :-) Jan 26 12:52:23 That sounds more likely :) Jan 26 12:52:56 I tend to forget names quickly if I haven't met persons 'in person'. Hope to meet some of you at fosdem. Jan 26 12:53:10 * RP will be there :) Jan 26 12:53:43 it's only that the nightly beer events are counterproductive in remembering ppl :-) Jan 26 12:54:10 (unless they make fools of themselves :-) ) Jan 26 12:55:34 NAiL: no, it's not the eRcOmM stuff - it's the ramdisk partition length header Jan 26 12:56:08 likewise: for your ixp4xxbe/angstrom build, don't forget to add the armeb equivalents in the EABI section of angstrom-2001.1.conf Jan 26 12:56:29 * RP plays with a release n800 :) Jan 26 12:57:01 RP: not a prototype this time? Jan 26 12:57:02 * likewise only saw the n770 (koen's) first-time yesterday Jan 26 12:57:59 hrw|work: The real thing :) Jan 26 12:58:05 re Jan 26 12:58:28 * RP has no 770 hardware now... Jan 26 12:59:23 rwhitby: you mean add it to the FEED_ARCH_? Jan 26 13:00:34 hey Jan 26 13:00:39 my c3200 is using opie Jan 26 13:00:46 and the screen won't rotate Jan 26 13:00:49 any ideas? Jan 26 13:02:04 likewise: no, I mean the PREFERRED_PROVIDER stuff - otherwise you won't be building EABI Jan 26 13:05:22 rwhitby: shouldn't PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}libc-for-gcc = "glibc-intermediate" select this? Hmm, checking... Jan 26 13:05:52 likewise: for some reason, it didn't for me. and there are a few others a couple of lines down from that Jan 26 13:06:48 * rwhitby wonders if multimachine understands different endiannesses ... Jan 26 13:08:22 likewise: I'm still getting armv5te-angstrom-linux/glibc-intermediate-2.5-r4 being built (should be in -gnueabi) Jan 26 13:08:42 rwhitby: seems TARGET_PREFIX is not set... investigating Jan 26 13:15:39 likewise: TARGET_OS in include/angstrom-glibc.inc Jan 26 13:15:50 (only sets -gnueabi for arm, not armeb) Jan 26 13:18:32 * rwhitby changes it to bb.data.getVar('TARGET_ARCH',d,1) in ['arm', 'armeb'] Jan 26 13:19:53 rwhitby: good catch Jan 26 13:20:41 likewise: good teamwork Jan 26 13:21:32 ok, went straight to compiling the kernel this time :-) Jan 26 13:22:05 rwhitby: the fail early, fix early approach Jan 26 13:22:40 likewise: debugging seems to always go faster when two people are trying to debug the same failure. Jan 26 13:23:09 rwhitby: in my case, it's always fail early, fix at least twice :-) Jan 26 13:23:29 rwhitby: agreed. debugging often needs different viewpoints Jan 26 13:24:48 rwhitby: but with OE I'm still in the guessing area as I am not intimitely (sp?) acquinted with the build system as a whole. Jan 26 13:25:13 likewise: you and me both. Jan 26 13:25:37 so the fix was that line in angstrom-glibc.inc, and two additional armeb lines in angstrom-2007.1.conf Jan 26 13:26:08 ERROR: Information not available for target 'armeb-linux-gnueabi' Jan 26 13:26:08 NOTE: exceptions.TypeError:iterable argument required while evaluating: Jan 26 13:26:08 ${@siteinfo_get_endianess(d)} Jan 26 13:26:13 Nobody understands all of OE ;-) Jan 26 13:26:20 guess we need siteinfo for armeb Jan 26 13:26:51 rwhitby: two lines? one for PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-libc-headers I assume? Jan 26 13:26:53 rwhitby: If you look at siteinfo.bbclass, it should be easy to add Jan 26 13:27:02 RP: yep, just found it thanks. Jan 26 13:28:19 rwhitby: I assume you're sticking with armeb for the moment, whereas I ride on armv5teb as the TARGET_ARCH. Jan 26 13:28:51 likewise: armeb is still the generic arch for things like siteinfo I think Jan 26 13:28:56 armv5te is the package arch? Jan 26 13:29:39 RP: does this look right? Jan 26 13:29:43 rwhitby: armv5teb for both {TARGET,PACKAGE}_ARCH here (as it cannot run anywhere else) Jan 26 13:29:52 "armeb-linux": "endian-big bit-32 common-glibc arm-common",\ Jan 26 13:29:52 "armeb-linux-gnueabi": "endian-big bit-32 common-glibc arm-common armeb-linux",\ Jan 26 13:34:58 rwhitby: Both should include armeb-linux? Jan 26 13:36:06 ah, of course, armeb-linux includes armeb-linux :) Jan 26 13:36:14 yes, its right :) Jan 26 13:37:08 hmm - kernel compile fails with "armeb-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: No such file or directory Jan 26 13:37:08 " Jan 26 13:38:30 I do have a /tmp/cross/bin/armeb-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc, but I'm not at the kernel yet. Jan 26 13:39:49 starting a new round after the siteinfo changes. Jan 26 13:40:01 likewise: I'm going to start again, clearing tmp Jan 26 13:40:24 let it run while I sleep. I think the missing -gnueabi meant that my gcc got built funny Jan 26 13:42:14 night all Jan 26 13:42:47 good nite rwhitby Jan 26 13:46:02 'night rwhitby Jan 26 13:57:05 morning Jan 26 14:08:09 hi florian Jan 26 14:13:53 hi pb__ Jan 26 14:23:20 03pb 07org.oe.dev * r1522497d... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-mythfront.bb): task-mythfront: remove dri modules, now included in linux-epia Jan 26 14:35:30 morning Jan 26 14:35:58 pb__: working hard at that linux dvr :-) Jan 26 14:36:07 heh, indeed Jan 26 14:36:23 pb: I heard from koen you are working on a M6000 board? Jan 26 14:37:40 likewise: something like that, yes. I forget the exact model but it's one of the CLE266/C3 ones. Jan 26 14:38:09 I also have an M789CG on my desk which I think uses the same chipset. Jan 26 14:38:23 pb__: yes, CLE266... would that provide enough power for playback? Jan 26 14:38:58 mpeg-2 playback is fine. not sure about mpeg-4; I haven't tried that. Jan 26 14:39:00 NAiL and I found out that model suffers from a bad capacitor problem. Jan 26 14:39:20 pb__: M6000/M10000, that is Jan 26 14:39:51 oh right, that sounds unfortunate Jan 26 14:39:56 The M6000 too? Jan 26 14:40:20 * NAiL is buying a new M10k anyway :-P Jan 26 14:41:18 NAiL: same make, AFAIK, I have one dead M6000, one semi-dead M10000, and one M10000 that I returned to the shop... Jan 26 14:41:56 NAiL: I'm going for the newer Jetway's. Gerwinin is quite happy with them, and more powerfull than the CLE266 Jan 26 14:42:06 s/ll/l Jan 26 14:42:49 likewise: Jetway's? Jan 26 14:43:36 NAiL: http://www.jetway.com.tw/ en follow the mini-itx mb group with via chipsets Jan 26 14:47:42 schurig: thx for mail Jan 26 14:56:08 how would one go about compiling a native app (x86) inside the OE project for an ARM Target. The native app is a loader program to upload into the Target. Is there a project .bb which does something similar? Jan 26 14:56:43 T0mW: like ipkg-native? ncurses-native? like classes/native.bbclass? Jan 26 14:56:50 yes Jan 26 14:57:24 T0mW: check the variois -native packages (e.g. quilt-native) and check what they have in common (hint: inherit native) Jan 26 14:58:01 ok, that gives me a start. Thanks Jan 26 14:58:22 zecke: I was looking for "bitbake --dry-run --force --verbose" the other day. Jan 26 14:58:44 :) Jan 26 14:59:05 -vvv lists the dep chains (should list the picked tool as well) Jan 26 14:59:31 ok, make it really really verbose, heh Jan 26 15:00:56 I am curious if anyone has made any changes to OE for the upcoming US daylight savings time changes. If not, I'll volunteer to investigate. Jan 26 15:01:20 zecke: happy birthday and all the best! Let users do not abuse you too much and let your projects grow in good directions. Jan 26 15:03:39 hehe :) Jan 26 15:04:07 tnb: this would need to be part of uclic and glibc and the old opie-timezone package? Jan 26 15:04:26 zecke: 25? Jan 26 15:04:30 tnb: 24 Jan 26 15:04:32 hrw|work: 24 Jan 26 15:05:24 hmm, is it somehow possible to share all the native tools, like automake, libtool, quilt, etc. between the different machines/distros? Jan 26 15:05:27 zecke: yes, I believe so. 24? Jan 26 15:05:46 tnb: sorry, this part was for hrw :) Jan 26 15:06:11 Jin^eLD: machines yes. distos rather yes too Jan 26 15:06:25 tnb: this would mean check if both uclibc and glibc updated these bits and either bitch them to update and then backport Jan 26 15:06:39 tnb: the question is who beside Opie is using the timezone information? Jan 26 15:07:04 hrw|work: how could I share it between distros? Jan 26 15:07:19 zecke: gpe :-) Jan 26 15:07:32 florian: you really started using them? Jan 26 15:07:44 zecke: I know that Debian has already done patches, so it'll just be a matter of making sure those have made it back to mainline and everything is up to date Jan 26 15:07:50 zecke: yes - incredible, right? :-) Jan 26 15:07:54 florian: I thought you still have this 'time offset' Jan 26 15:08:44 zecke: so it sounds like the summary is that no one has specifically looked at it of which you're aware Jan 26 15:08:48 tnb: right Jan 26 15:09:13 Jin^eLD: build them, check does they have hardcoded paths (some have) and copy those which does not between dirs? no warranty that this will work. Jan 26 15:09:27 ok, I'll let you all know what I learn Jan 26 15:09:37 hrw|work: oh ok.. so there is no "default" or "supported" way yet? Jan 26 15:09:43 thanks Jan 26 15:10:04 zecke: that's history for ages now ;) Jan 26 15:10:08 Jin^eLD: packaged-staging had to fill this Jan 26 15:14:46 hrw|work: what's the status with packaged staging, actually? Jan 26 15:18:58 Jan 26 15:19:32 * hrw|work has problems with network connection.. Jan 26 15:19:59 hrw|work: Needs TLC according to koen, he hasn't got the time to finish it. Jan 26 15:20:00 pb__: it is partially working but I do not know how much needs to be done there Jan 26 15:20:25 s/hrw|work/pb__/ Jan 26 15:20:27 what airlines fly to FOSDEM? Jan 26 15:21:01 from where? Destination airport "Zaventem", Brussels, AFAIK Jan 26 15:21:25 likewise: its more which ones land there, but airport name is useful :-) Jan 26 15:21:55 http://www.brusselsairport.be/en/ Jan 26 15:23:25 Xora: I see 5 airlines from Heathrow landing there Jan 26 15:23:40 likewise, hrw|work: righto, thanks Jan 26 15:24:01 likewise: heathrow is 5 hours away from me :-( Jan 26 15:24:25 I guess zecke would know the full story. Jan 26 15:24:26 likewise: I shall have to plot a cheap route Jan 26 15:24:51 XorA: Where are you coming from ? Jan 26 15:24:56 pb__: story? Jan 26 15:25:20 zecke: as in, the status of the packaged staging stuff Jan 26 15:25:22 hvontres|poodle: Scotland Jan 26 15:25:32 pb__: koen and RP are better suited *sorry* Jan 26 15:25:48 XorA: Where in Scotland ? :P Jan 26 15:25:53 zecke: oh right Jan 26 15:28:43 XorA: This might help get you started: http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?qscr=fexp&flag=q&city1=Edinburgh&citd1=Brussels&date1=2/23/2007&time1=362&date2=2/26/2007&time2=362&cAdu=1&cSen=&cChi=&cInf=&infs=2&tktt=&trpt=2&ecrc=&eccn=&qryt=8&load=1&airp1=&dair1=&rfrr=-429&&zz=1169827115592& Jan 26 15:29:18 XorA: Then check the ceapest airline directlty... you ususually get a better deal that way :) Jan 26 15:32:17 which glibc version is suggested for mipsel based distros? glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627 does not seem to compile; have not yet analyzed why though... but that worked for my arm based distros Jan 26 15:37:09 hmmm, 162 GBP Jan 26 15:37:29 wow CE is quite robust *(int*)0xdeadbeef = 23; doesn't crash the app Jan 26 15:38:08 heh Jan 26 15:38:14 cu Jan 26 15:38:37 are people leaving FOSDEM on monday? Jan 26 15:38:55 XorA: mickeyl will, I will (once I manage to book the flight) Jan 26 15:39:04 XorA: IIRC koen will leave on monday as well Jan 26 15:39:28 think I can just about to afford this, better get the wifes approval tonight :-) Jan 26 15:43:44 XorA: hehe.. just promise to bring back some belgian chocolate :) Jan 26 15:44:46 hvontres|poodle: she doesnt like it Jan 26 15:45:33 guys... help me out please :) I am trying to build a custom distro for a mipsel arch, glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627 is failing.. it seems it is missing some headers, in particular: cross/mipsel-linux/include/asm/unistd.h:15:25: error: asm/sgidefs.h: No such file or directory Jan 26 15:45:57 anyone know how truly horrible Charleroi airport is? Jan 26 15:46:31 Jin^eLD: I have no idea, what linux-libc-headers are in use? Jan 26 15:46:32 is anyone familiar with glibc stuff? any hints on how to proceed here... 'cuz the same version build for arm Jan 26 15:46:46 likewise: let me check Jan 26 15:46:54 likewise: I am trying to OE the wis8100 Jan 26 15:46:57 :> Jan 26 15:47:08 PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-libc-headers ?= "2.6.18" Jan 26 15:47:12 Jin^eLD: typo that should read sigdefs.h Jan 26 15:48:01 oh.. :> thx XorA.. shall I file a bug or can someone quickly fix it? Jan 26 15:48:18 Jin^eLD: that was more a guess, just sgidef.h looks silly to me Jan 26 15:48:47 indeed... well let me look if there is something like sigdefs.h Jan 26 15:49:47 hmm nothing Jan 26 15:49:54 let me compare to the ARM build Jan 26 15:50:36 no.. no sigdefs or sgidefs there Jan 26 15:51:33 hmm Jan 26 15:52:05 well, the arm version of asm/unistd.h does not have that include Jan 26 15:53:18 XorA: its not a typo.. I compared asm/unistd.h to a prebuilt mipsel cross toolchain that was shipped by the vendor Jan 26 15:53:34 the there is also the sgidefs.h include, so we are missing that for some reason Jan 26 15:54:48 Jin^eLD: what's the vendor glibc? Jan 26 15:55:06 2.3.2 Jan 26 15:55:28 in OE I am using 2.3.5, but the unistd.h looks very similar, probably the same Jan 26 15:57:10 ok, the sgidefs.h file is in the package Jan 26 15:57:18 so it just did not get properly installed Jan 26 15:57:31 XorA: ha! sgi - they were also running mips I think :) so not a typo after all Jan 26 15:57:54 Jin^eLD: oh yeah, I forgot that Jan 26 15:58:20 ok so the question is.. why did this .h file did not get installed to the proper location Jan 26 15:59:12 the .bb file looks sort of complicated Jan 26 15:59:26 lots of manual installs Jan 26 15:59:57 Jin^eLD: are you checking in staging/ for the sgidefs? Jan 26 16:00:25 likewise: no Jan 26 16:00:40 likewise: or am I ? I am getting confused here Jan 26 16:00:45 I think it is supposed to be in the cross directory Jan 26 16:00:51 along with the asm/unistd.h file Jan 26 16:01:06 so, here: cross/mipsel-linux/include Jan 26 16:01:16 /asm Jan 26 16:01:44 Jin^eLD: ok, and it's not there... it isn't in the tmp/work/glibc.../install dir somewhere? Jan 26 16:01:55 it is in the glibc work dir Jan 26 16:02:20 here: /work/mipsel-linux/glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r13/libc/sysdeps/mips Jan 26 16:02:45 so it is in the glibc package, but it somehow did not get installed to the cross dir Jan 26 16:05:47 well, I'll copy it over manually and see if it compiles Jan 26 16:05:52 if it does I will submit a bugreport Jan 26 16:07:38 Jin^eLD: yup, that seems the right approach. Jan 26 16:08:09 the questin is.. if it would be safer to go to an older glibc version instead using 2.3.5... if something else turns out broken too I might end up with an unstable system Jan 26 16:08:43 Jin^eLD: find out what MIPS core is in there, then see what are stable toolchains for that mips core. Jan 26 16:08:43 ok here we go.. error in sysdeps/generic/libc-tls.c Jan 26 16:09:18 thread local storage Jan 26 16:09:18 likewise: well, the vendor ships 2.3.2.. regarding the core.. I can check; how are the mips cores identified/defined Jan 26 16:09:25 i.e. - what do I have to look for? Jan 26 16:09:46 Jin^eLD: I never touched MIPS so far. I would cross check with the Linux MIPS site (there should be one) and crosstool/ buildroot Jan 26 16:09:57 ok, thanks Jan 26 16:11:24 Jin^eLD: don't expect the toolchain to come easily... Jan 26 16:11:43 Jin^eLD: Also, the Cross Linux from Scratch project might be helpful: http://cross-lfs.org/view/1.0.0/mips/materials/patches-mips.html Jan 26 16:11:45 is mips whats in WRT54g? Jan 26 16:11:58 XorA: I think yes Jan 26 16:12:05 likewise: ok let me see.. Jan 26 16:12:24 Jin^eLD: Indeed, if Oe supports some other MIPS target, look there first. Jan 26 16:13:17 likewise: they seemed to use older stuff Jan 26 16:13:25 I did take a look Jan 26 16:13:46 wrtg uses gcc 3.4.4 Jan 26 16:14:06 and uses TARGET_OS linux_uclibc Jan 26 16:14:33 nylon uses glibc 2.3.3 Jan 26 16:16:45 well, I'll try to go down to 2.3.2 to match the vendors version, lets see if it works Jan 26 16:41:24 re Jan 26 16:41:37 wb Jan 26 16:41:59 How do I define a new package/linux locally? Jan 26 16:42:33 I tried just creating a packages/linux directory with my bb script but oe doesn't seem to find it Jan 26 16:42:46 likewise: hmm.. glibc-2.3.2 fails early at the preprocessor check Jan 26 16:43:51 I have a directory called IPAC that I define as being in the BBPATH Jan 26 16:44:26 then I created IPAC/packages/linux/IPAC9302-kernel.bb Jan 26 16:45:06 my new machine configuration file defines PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel = "${MACHINE}-kernel" Jan 26 16:45:22 but the build script igores this, why? Jan 26 16:47:29 NZG: bitbake use BBFILES var (set in local.conf) to look for recipes Jan 26 16:47:39 aha, thx Jan 26 16:48:30 can this be more than one path? Jan 26 16:48:34 yes Jan 26 16:48:48 BBFILES = "onedir/*.bb seconddir/*.bb" Jan 26 16:50:37 hrw: thank you, trying it out Jan 26 16:51:43 np Jan 26 16:52:11 what is the best way to disable screen blanking in kdrive? Jan 26 16:52:39 hmm. is anyone here using something mips-based? I really can't seem to find a glibc version that would compile... Jan 26 16:53:03 Jin^eLD: I use wrt54 but this is uclibc Jan 26 16:53:13 Jin^eLD: look at mtx-1/2 machines Jan 26 16:53:19 Jin^eLD: and nylon distro Jan 26 16:53:23 hrw: yes.. I looked at the conf hoping to find some answers there but as you said - it was uclibc based Jan 26 16:53:52 nylon uses a very old version.. I would not really take something older than the vendor is providing; ideally I wanted to match the vendors version or use a newer one Jan 26 16:54:10 I'm trying to completely OE a new dev board Jan 26 16:56:33 oh ok I was wrong about nylon, it uses 2.3.3 Jan 26 16:56:39 let me try that... Jan 26 16:57:24 do you think I would have to revert to gcc 3.3.4 there? Jan 26 16:57:37 or is that more or less independant Jan 26 16:58:31 no idea Jan 26 16:59:36 and there are really nothing else that uses mips in oe, besides wrtg and the mtx machines? Jan 26 16:59:52 check conf/machine Jan 26 17:00:38 well ok, I guess my question was stupid :) should have said distros.. there are a couple of machines, but only 3 distros if I grep for mips there Jan 26 17:01:41 asusoe uses some prebuild stuff, wrtg is uclibc, last left is nylon; interestingly it uses 2.3.5+cvs20050627 for mtx_3 Jan 26 17:02:12 but 2.3.5 does not build correctly for mips here Jan 26 17:04:35 fsck.. I have circular deps.. Jan 26 17:14:34 hrw, Hi! what about #1367? Jan 26 17:15:55 will take care of it Jan 26 17:16:00 I'm trying to configure and build a local kernel through oe Jan 26 17:16:09 psokolovsky: yesterday was not good day for such stuff Jan 26 17:16:14 I overrode the do_configure method Jan 26 17:16:22 and added a call to make menuconfig Jan 26 17:16:25 hrw, I see ;-) Jan 26 17:16:25 psokolovsky: I will also try to use defconfigman ;D Jan 26 17:16:31 cool! Jan 26 17:16:37 but it seems to run from a background thread, and I can't see it Jan 26 17:17:12 psokolovsky: building rx3000/zire/palm* now also Jan 26 17:17:15 Is there an easy way to fix this? Jan 26 17:24:15 03hrw 07bitbake-1.6 * r753 10/lib/bb/fetch/svn.py: Jan 26 17:24:15 svn fetcher: use 'svn update' to update sources - close OE#1367 Jan 26 17:24:15 For first fetch we use 'svn checkout' but for next updates we need to use Jan 26 17:24:15 'svn update' to fetch only changes. Jan 26 17:24:15 Patch written by Paul Sokolovsky. Jan 26 17:24:35 hrw, thanks! Jan 26 17:24:53 psokolovsky: thx for writing it and updating Jan 26 17:29:28 hmm I do not get it.. how does it work for nylon? Iam trying gcc 3.3.4 now, same as in nylon distro but it does not compile for me Jan 26 17:30:21 Jin^eLD: who knows when nylon was built last time... Jan 26 17:30:36 heh.. that's promising :) Jan 26 17:31:20 all focus seems to be on ARM :( Jan 26 17:32:14 Jin^eLD: aren't the newer dreambox devices mips based? check the dreambox branch for mips? Jan 26 17:32:30 Jin^eLD: feel free to donate hardware to the project Jan 26 17:32:51 zecke: oh.. dreambox branch, good hint, thanks Jan 26 17:33:18 zecke: well, I am unfortunately not in such position, lucky to lay my hands on some hardware myself :P Jan 26 17:33:47 woule be much easier if vendors would choose OE to build their stuff Jan 26 17:37:28 Jin^eLD: dreambox uses mipsel, glibc2.3.5+cvs, binutils +2.16 and gcc 4.1.1 quite current :) Jan 26 17:38:35 zecke: good call. it's only in the dreambox branch or also in .dev? Jan 26 17:39:10 zecke: sounds interesting, I'll try that Jan 26 17:39:12 thanks Jan 26 17:39:32 btw, I can check out another branch using the same monotone database, right? Jan 26 17:39:50 yes Jan 26 17:40:07 thanks Jan 26 17:40:17 likewise: currently likely only dreambox branch, we need to help tmbinc et all to ease merging Jan 26 17:41:16 psokolovsky: can you look at opie-mediaplayer1 and its plugins? they have circular deps Jan 26 17:41:26 lets see how far I get with the dreambox branch, ultimately I just need the toolchain + glibc since I am not really using a dreambox as such Jan 26 17:42:30 hrw, will do Jan 26 17:43:00 thx Jan 26 17:45:29 Packaged contents of task-base into /a/home/hrw/devel/build/angstrom/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/task-base_1.0-r16_palmz72.ipk Jan 26 17:46:45 NOTE: Running task 322 of 2653 (ID: 1958, /home/hrw/devel/oe/org.openembedded/packages/libetpan/libetpan_0.48.bb, do_fetch) Jan 26 17:46:54 lot of work.. Jan 26 18:58:05 psokolovsky: can you add simple page at defconfigman.sf.net? Jan 26 18:59:02 hrw, yes, that's all on todo ;-) Jan 26 19:04:52 psokolovsky: want small one generated from readme? Jan 26 19:07:46 hrw, yep, my idea was to put just readme for starters Jan 26 19:10:26 psokolovsky: A link to the logo page (where we show the full set of logos available for use) is provided in the "SF.net Logo Display" section of the Shell/DB/Web section of the project admin pages. Jan 26 19:10:34 psokolovsky: can you give such one? Jan 26 19:13:43 psokolovsky: http://pastebin.ca/329458 - htmlized readme Jan 26 19:19:13 hrw, Thanks, I appreciate it. I'll put it to svn and on web a bit later today. Jan 26 19:19:36 psokolovsky: you need to linkify logo Jan 26 19:20:04 will do, np Jan 26 19:20:27 psokolovsky: HX4700_LEDS expand to CONFIG_HX4700_LEDS? Jan 26 19:21:37 hrw: yes, it uses Kconfig syntax, CONFIG_-less Jan 26 19:21:42 ok Jan 26 19:21:59 hh.org kernels has incompatible naming Jan 26 19:22:23 CONFIG_HX4700_LEDS instead of CONFIG_LEDS_HX4700 Jan 26 19:24:10 psokolovsky: can defconfigman create machine config from kernel config file? Jan 26 19:26:00 psokolovsky: or does they need to be created by hand? Jan 26 19:33:05 morning Jan 26 19:33:09 hi XorA Jan 26 19:33:19 I get Access forbidden for this page of the manual: http://www.openembedded.org/user-manual&dpage=recipes_initscripts Jan 26 19:33:31 mickeyl: did you get someone to arrange oe stand at FOSDEM? Jan 26 19:35:19 cbrake: strange.. it has permissions correct set Jan 26 19:36:42 hrw: should we be removing the pdf version of the manual? It is quite out of date. Jan 26 19:37:17 XorA: no one replied to the mail yet :/ Jan 26 19:37:36 mickeyl: :-( Jan 26 19:37:50 mickeyl: whats involved in the job Jan 26 19:38:02 looks like I need to send ssh key to get oe@oe.org ;( Jan 26 19:38:15 *) preparing a schedule for who is having duty when Jan 26 19:38:21 *) preparing a poster Jan 26 19:38:25 perhaps flyers Jan 26 19:38:36 *) preparing who is going to bring which hardware and what should be shown Jan 26 19:38:41 s/preparing/managing/ Jan 26 19:38:45 delegating Jan 26 19:38:45 etc. Jan 26 19:39:01 being there in time to prepare the desk Jan 26 19:39:55 it should be someone who did it atleast once before Jan 26 19:40:39 hrw: looks like http://www.openembedded.org/user-manual&dpage=update-rc-d_class might be a duplicate of the initscripts section? Jan 26 19:40:41 well if I am having to pay my own way then my only reason for being at FOSDEM is OE, so I can help all I can, but I dont have a clue where to start with that stuff Jan 26 19:43:53 XorA: RP said you're the person to talk to about alsa Jan 26 19:44:13 XorA: any idea why there's not a mute switch on the PCM volume control? Jan 26 19:46:20 ~curse mplayer for lack of any dvd menu support Jan 26 19:46:41 * JustinP hails vlc and mpc Jan 26 19:47:23 JustinP: I have dvd-dl dump on disk and want to enjoy it. Jan 26 19:48:10 hrw: I know that XBMC has DVD support and I believe it's based on mplayer.... I also know that VLC and MPC on Windows support DVDs. Other than that, I don't know, sorry. :-( Jan 26 19:48:29 hrw: perhaps try selecting the VIDEO_TS.IFO file to play in mplayer? Jan 26 19:48:42 JustinP: this dvd has lots of video ts Jan 26 19:48:58 just the top one Jan 26 19:49:21 there should be only 1 VIDEO_TS.IFO Jan 26 19:49:27 that's the one that uisually starts the DVD Jan 26 19:49:30 JustinP: depends whether hardware supports mute Jan 26 19:49:57 XorA: well, there's plenty of other mutes in the mixer....just none for the primary sound output...which seems strange to me Jan 26 19:50:00 hrw: just mplayer dvd.iso and it will play everything Jan 26 19:50:01 XorA: (this is spitz) Jan 26 19:50:21 JustinP: probably the chip doesnt actually have a mut Jan 26 19:50:22 e Jan 26 19:50:42 XorA: and audio will start at 20 minute... just checked that way Jan 26 19:50:42 JustinP: ask me on monday when I have the source/datasheet in front of me Jan 26 19:50:57 hrw: oh, never had that problem Jan 26 19:51:17 hrw: you can select chapters/titles manually Jan 26 19:51:17 XorA: grab StarWars Trilogy and give 4th dvd to mplayer Jan 26 19:51:55 hrw: I will never buy that :-) Jan 26 19:52:20 XorA: who said buy? rent it Jan 26 19:52:44 XorA: I'll bug you Monday, then. ;-) Jan 26 19:53:01 hrw: star wars annoys me Jan 26 19:53:05 JustinP: cool Jan 26 19:53:49 XorA: c3P0 is ruining the whole thing imho ;) Jan 26 19:54:07 XorA: I'd also be interested if you know the changes I'd need to make for akita/corgi to my driver so I can make it Z agnostic. Jan 26 19:54:24 * JustinP enjoys the original C3PO Jan 26 19:54:32 he became overly slapstick in the new ones Jan 26 19:54:56 benny hill vs. fawly towers Jan 26 19:55:04 JustinP: as far as I could tell from 2.4 source, you just need to change the pins used, ie wrap the references to scoop_device and gpio in #ifdef MACH_CORGI/MACH_SPITZ etc Jan 26 19:55:12 uf.. vlc play it normally Jan 26 19:55:28 anyway I need to go make food Jan 26 19:55:29 ~cheer for vlc Jan 26 19:55:31 back later Jan 26 19:55:52 XorA|food: I guess I'll just try it (one of these days) and see who shoots me down Jan 26 19:56:45 XorA|food: this dvd has 54 titles Jan 26 19:57:57 JustinP: I can test corgi when I have some spare time Jan 26 19:59:08 XorA|food: you have the CE-RH1 remote? Jan 26 20:00:50 i dumped some more information to the mailing list Jan 26 20:00:57 (fosdem related) Jan 26 20:03:15 btw - what hardware we want to have on booth? Jan 26 20:03:57 some zaurus models to show off different types of distros and one of the nslu2 guys promised to be there with an nslu2 setup Jan 26 20:04:09 => should be discussed on ml Jan 26 20:04:20 i'll bring a Neo if it's ready by then Jan 26 20:05:51 I'm curious does phase0 device will arrive in time to let devs be able to get them for fosdem Jan 26 20:06:15 i sincerely hope so Jan 26 20:06:31 because fosdem really is the right event for that device Jan 26 20:06:57 yeah Jan 26 20:11:34 sent mail Jan 26 20:12:25 cool, thans Jan 26 20:12:27 thanks, even Jan 26 20:13:40 dow e have any sound visualization programs in OE? Jan 26 20:16:23 hey mickeyl & hrw Jan 26 20:17:08 * koen hints people to the fosdem wiki Jan 26 20:18:07 3hi koen Jan 26 20:18:33 JustinP: don't think so Jan 26 20:18:36 cheers koen Jan 26 20:18:38 koen: what for? Jan 26 20:18:53 to write down info Jan 26 20:19:14 imap over gprs sucks, so I won't read a lot of mail the next weeks Jan 26 20:21:00 * koen needs to stop by his house this weekend to pick up the n800 Jan 26 20:21:22 you got a discount codeß Jan 26 20:21:23 ? Jan 26 20:23:08 yes Jan 26 20:23:14 cool, congrats.i didn't, but given the zero things i actually managed to do with my n700 it doesn't come as a surprise :) Jan 26 20:24:19 mickeyl: maybe you should have mentioned 'EABI' some more ;) Jan 26 20:24:36 hehe, nah it's okay. i should really stop collecting hardware for gathering dust Jan 26 20:24:54 i will try to get new things the second i have actually time to work with 'em Jan 26 20:25:02 * mickeyl glad his wife didn't record that Jan 26 20:25:04 :D Jan 26 20:25:05 * koen is using his 770 for navigation nowadays Jan 26 20:25:29 * mickeyl using his 770 for streaming internet radio solely Jan 26 20:25:35 then again, i really want to have some fun with my RFID reader this weekend Jan 26 20:25:59 * hrw want simple gui app to send files over bt Jan 26 20:26:28 yeah, bt-userland is a mess Jan 26 20:26:32 koen, imap over gprs isn't too bad if the client doesn't suck :) Jan 26 20:26:44 marcel has some good new things in the pipeline that will make consistent userland utils more easy Jan 26 20:26:59 marcel H? Jan 26 20:27:03 yep Jan 26 20:27:25 major new version coming out in feb IIRC Jan 26 20:27:32 cool Jan 26 20:27:37 right in time for March ;) Jan 26 20:27:40 hopefully... Jan 26 20:27:56 how to send game for SE k750i phone with BT? Jan 26 20:28:23 ggilbert_: thunderbird :( Jan 26 20:28:26 1. ignore BT 2. take card out from phone 3. connect card to computer 4. copy 5. insert card into phone 6. install Jan 26 20:28:31 heh Jan 26 20:28:40 koen, hehe yeah Jan 26 20:28:45 i have something called k700-explorer on my windows pc (yes yes i know...) that works pretty good via a virtual comport Jan 26 20:28:48 cheers treke Jan 26 20:29:10 koen, I don't know of any good linux clients, but I've been seriously impressed with some of the WinCE and PalmOS clients I've seen. Jan 26 20:30:09 mickeyl: I've gone over to the pocketpc dark side now :) Jan 26 20:30:30 hrw: heh, you should use gpe-filemanager Jan 26 20:30:36 g'day ggilbert Jan 26 20:30:50 ggilbert_: I thinking of trying telomer Jan 26 20:30:56 mickeyl: check the comments in http://www.tieguy.org/blog/2007/01/22/i-want-linux-in-my-pocket-asap-kthxbye/ Jan 26 20:31:31 ggilbert_: http://dave.cridland.net/acap/polymer.html Jan 26 20:31:46 Some of the stuff I've read about tinymail sounds like it could be interesting at some point Jan 26 20:32:21 mickeyl: I'm still hoping my next upgrade will be linux based though. :p Jan 26 20:33:08 koen, oooh nice Jan 26 20:33:42 koen: interesting read! Jan 26 20:33:50 ggilbert: i hope so, too. :) Jan 26 20:33:59 doh, the door just fell off my study Jan 26 20:34:05 oops Jan 26 20:34:06 mickeyl: I like the comment on OE vs scarebox Jan 26 20:34:08 repairing time Jan 26 20:34:11 yah Jan 26 20:34:34 koen: heh right. that's cool Jan 26 20:34:35 mickeyl: I've got my eye on the openmoko project to see if it'll turn into something I want Jan 26 20:34:35 :) Jan 26 20:34:52 ggilbert: good. keep an eye on that. It'll take a while to rock, but eventually we'll get there Jan 26 20:35:00 yeah Jan 26 20:35:38 *taking off the OpenMoko freelancer hat* Jan 26 20:35:42 *putting on the OE hat* Jan 26 20:35:44 and if it's a complete failure [which I don't expect] in the end we have a nice open hardware platform to base new projects on Jan 26 20:35:59 ha Jan 26 20:36:08 mickeyl: can you recommend any? Jan 26 20:36:16 JustinP: hat? Jan 26 20:36:19 In other news, MS has really improved thing recently Jan 26 20:37:02 mickeyl: music visualization programs for linux Jan 26 20:37:06 JustinP: I suspect, the RH2 works fine in the corgi, I think its a scam to make you buy the new remote Jan 26 20:37:08 JustinP: ah sorry... context switch ;) Jan 26 20:37:15 yeah, hold on a second Jan 26 20:37:23 XorA|food: nope Jan 26 20:37:28 waveform editor or mp3 fancy visualizaton? Jan 26 20:37:34 XorA|food: yes, it's a scam, but no they're not cross-platform Jan 26 20:37:45 JustinP: it looks like the same wiring on the jack Jan 26 20:37:58 XorA|food: dynamism sent me a CE-RH1 initially, it didn't work at all Jan 26 20:38:06 JustinP: under 2.4? Jan 26 20:38:13 XorA|food: I believe the location of the data pin is different.... Jan 26 20:38:23 JustinP: iirc a lot of gstreamer apps use something like libvisualize (sp?) which is good for a lot of plasma effects and stuff Jan 26 20:38:27 yes, it was under 2.4...but I remember finding that the data pin was different in the 2 remotes... Jan 26 20:39:03 and the resistors are different, IIRC Jan 26 20:39:15 (plus the CE-RH1 has 1 less button) Jan 26 20:40:01 JustinP: pinout is http://www.areanine.gr.jp/~nyano/cerh1pad.html Jan 26 20:40:04 mickeyl: yeah, I've found libvisual....but not a program. I'm just looking for a standalone visualizer...:-P Jan 26 20:40:18 JustinP: Im pretty sure the only difference is the resistors Jan 26 20:40:38 XorA|food: my sound was all screwed up with the CE-RH1 plugged in... Jan 26 20:40:58 JustinP: guess amarok is too huge ;) Jan 26 20:41:08 isn't there something like tomcat or tombstone or something in OE? Jan 26 20:41:15 iirc this can visualize as well Jan 26 20:41:18 and xine, of course Jan 26 20:41:24 albeit a bit heavy Jan 26 20:41:27 mickeyl: well, I already have mpd for playing the music.... Jan 26 20:41:39 * JustinP was just looking for something pretty to show :-) Jan 26 20:42:23 * mickeyl looks along the 5kilometer long todo list and finds a one year old note "write something to learn how to use libvisual" Jan 26 20:42:34 *sigh* Jan 26 20:43:16 JustinP: bb Jan 26 20:43:30 hrw: bb? Jan 26 20:43:36 JustinP: bb Jan 26 20:43:39 XorA|food: http://www.oesf.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t15333.html someone says that they're switched Jan 26 20:43:43 aalib came from bb Jan 26 20:43:49 ah Jan 26 20:44:29 talking about libvisual Jan 26 20:44:36 do you have any newer SRC_URI than 0.4 @ sf? Jan 26 20:44:46 can't find their cvs or svn or what not Jan 26 20:46:20 oh nm Jan 26 20:46:26 it's still @ libvisual.cvs.sf.net Jan 26 20:52:43 hrw: /me bitbake bb Jan 26 20:52:46 oops Jan 26 20:53:23 heh...fails compilation Jan 26 20:55:25 k. back to movie Jan 26 21:01:47 * koen picks up a book and plans to do some reading Jan 26 21:02:59 I've been grepping and reading documentation Jan 26 21:03:08 but I'm having a hard time finding Jan 26 21:03:17 where I specifiy patches for the toolchains Jan 26 21:03:30 any pointers on where to look ? Jan 26 21:03:58 specifically I'm trying to automate patching gcc binutils, etc.. for a build Jan 26 21:14:47 NZG: patches go in the bb files Jan 26 21:15:10 NZG: well, refs to them. You can put them on a web server of in a files/ dir (or a dir named after the package or package and version) Jan 26 21:15:19 NZG: see packages/gcc/ Jan 26 21:16:11 03pb 07org.oe.dev * rcda98b5f... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): xserver-xorg: build with Mesa so GLX works Jan 26 21:23:55 NOTE: package bb-1.2: completed Jan 26 21:26:09 so, if I want to build a patched gcc, is the easiest way to create a new gcc package? or is there something simpler here I'm missing? Jan 26 21:26:17 * JustinP waits for bitbake to install Jan 26 21:26:25 I mean ipkg Jan 26 21:26:38 NZG: is it for a new architecture? Jan 26 21:27:03 JustinP: Sort of.... it's the cirrus ep93xx, but not one of the supported ones Jan 26 21:27:21 JustinP:I need to patch to support it's crunch fpu Jan 26 21:27:40 ok...well do do architecture specific ones you should be able to do: SRC_URI_ep93xx += "file://my-patch.patch;patch=1" Jan 26 21:27:44 or similar Jan 26 21:27:56 look for stuff like that in there Jan 26 21:28:23 Sure, but doesn't that have to go in the gcc recipe? Jan 26 21:28:44 Hence don't I need to make a new gcc recipe? Or am I missing something important Jan 26 21:29:36 I guess I'm hoping I can magically do this from the higher level conf files Jan 26 21:29:40 but I don't see how Jan 26 21:30:27 is there a means of getting bitbake to clear out WORKDIR after each package build? Jan 26 21:30:40 been looking over config files but can't find it anywhere Jan 26 21:32:33 furlongm: INHERIT+="rm_work" Jan 26 21:32:56 XorA|food: into local.conf? Jan 26 21:33:36 furlongm: yes Jan 26 21:33:52 XorA|food: excellent, thanks! Jan 26 21:37:41 So, if I want to create my own gcc package to change SRC_URI, how is this reflected in the distro configuration? Jan 26 21:39:35 i.e. should I create a package gcc_3.4.3-9x and then specifiy PREFERRED_VERSION_gcc ?= "3.4.3-9x" ? Or am I going about this wrong? Jan 26 21:43:36 sure Jan 26 21:44:02 lol, I was hoping for correction Jan 26 21:44:42 My method seems a bit hacked together Jan 26 21:45:48 But thank you JustinP I do appreciate the help, hope I don't come off as ungrateful Jan 26 21:45:57 I do like the toolchain all in all Jan 26 21:46:57 So far i have just been unable to find a "correct" way through grepping or reading docs Jan 26 21:47:04 I'll bang on it a bit longer Jan 26 22:01:01 I suppose what it comes down to, is that I don't precisly understand how PREFERRED_PROVIDERS += " virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}gcc:gcc-cross" relates to an actual package Jan 26 22:01:26 Any documentation links you know of would be helpful Jan 26 22:30:04 JustinP: how bloody stupid is that Jan 26 22:33:20 Me? I apologize if I was. Where was my error? Jan 26 22:38:55 NZG: talking to me? Jan 26 22:39:06 XorA: very Jan 26 22:41:47 XorA:yes Jan 26 22:42:56 NZG: no, he was referring to my previous comment to him Jan 26 22:43:15 JustinP|XorA: O, sorry Jan 26 22:43:18 ....bb compiled natively for some reason Jan 26 22:43:27 * JustinP compiles on his z Jan 26 22:43:32 ah Jan 26 22:48:09 NZG: we were bemoaning hardware changes made purely to make old remotes unusable Jan 26 22:48:42 JustinP: although I suppose the remote part will work, just the sound part wont Jan 26 22:49:00 JustinP: given that resistors dont care which way they are wired Jan 26 22:53:02 Well, since I'm feeling better about myself now, I'll continue my line of questioning (which am am trying to answer myself but it's taking a while) Jan 26 22:53:04 yay, having fun here making OE work with linkstations... Jan 26 22:53:17 XorA: *nod* Jan 26 22:53:26 grepping around I discovered Jan 26 22:53:37 TARGET_PREFIX is automatically composed of TARGET_ARCH TARGET_VENDOR and TARGET_OS (documentation.conf) Jan 26 22:53:56 * JustinP attempts to build bb natively on the Z Jan 26 22:53:57 But what it's used for, I cannot tell, I don't see how it has anything to do with the package selected Jan 26 22:54:16 you might be able to use it as an override.... Jan 26 22:54:24 Hmmm, ok Jan 26 22:54:32 I'm not sure, though Jan 26 22:54:46 * timtimred makes OE appreciation noises Jan 26 22:55:02 my suggestion is just to add your patches right into the bb files that are being built now and make them work, then figure out how to move them out :-/ Jan 26 22:55:05 NZG: arm-angstrom-linux-gcc like? Jan 26 22:55:17 NZG: TARGET_ARCH TARGET_VENDOR TARGET_OS gcc Jan 26 22:55:31 what package does that correspond to? Jan 26 22:55:40 very usefull when you build for same arch as host (i686 -> i686 for example) Jan 26 22:55:51 27 00:26 < NZG> TARGET_PREFIX is automatically composed of TARGET_ARCH TARGET_VENDOR and TARGET_OS (documentation.conf) Jan 26 22:55:54 27 00:26 < NZG> But what it's used for, I cannot tell, I don't see how it has anything to do with the package selected Jan 26 22:56:21 correct, still confused about that Jan 26 22:56:35 NZG: because? Jan 26 22:56:39 what package builds arm-angstrom-linux-gcc for example? Jan 26 22:56:45 gcc-cross Jan 26 22:57:08 right, and yet this is specified by PREFERRED_PROVIDERS += " virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}gcc:gcc-cross" Jan 26 22:57:23 Why is TARGET_PREFIX there? Jan 26 22:57:25 we have gcc (will run on target), gcc-cross (will run on host to build target binaries) and gcc-cross-kernel Jan 26 22:57:46 oh wait Jan 26 22:57:55 NZG: because OE depend on 'virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}gcc' in many places Jan 26 22:58:22 so {TARGET_PREFIX}gcc is the target, :gcc-cross is the package, is that it? Jan 26 22:58:34 NZG: you can use 'virtual/arm-linux-gcc:gcc-cross' for example but it will fail if you change arch Jan 26 22:58:53 {TARGET_PREFIX}gcc is the target and gcc-cross is recipe which will get built Jan 26 22:59:01 ah, there it is Jan 26 22:59:18 you say "I want to get gcc-cross built to satisfy virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}gcc thing" Jan 26 22:59:35 thank you, appreciated Jan 26 22:59:43 I don't think ss" Jan 26 22:59:43 Why is TARGET_PREFIX there? Jan 26 22:59:43 np Jan 26 22:59:46 sorry Jan 26 22:59:51 accidental paste Jan 26 22:59:55 happens Jan 26 23:00:38 ok, bttm again Jan 26 23:00:46 backtothemovie Jan 26 23:00:49 NZG: it means for arm-linux-gcc build gcc-cross Jan 26 23:00:54 NZG: for example Jan 26 23:01:38 NZG: can also be put as PREFERRED_PROVIDER_${TARGET_PREFIX}gcc = "gcc-cross" Jan 26 23:03:12 seems logical enough now, I was just looking at it backwards Jan 26 23:03:25 NZG: :-D Jan 26 23:03:35 NZG: I suggest making use of an include ;-) include gcc-cross_XX.bb in your bb, then just SRC_URI += "..." Jan 26 23:03:55 JustinP: s/include gcc/require gcc Jan 26 23:04:12 yes, require Jan 26 23:05:00 if its only additions why not SRC_URI_append_9x = "first.patch;patch=1" Jan 26 23:06:31 JustinP:XorA sounds good! thanks for the tips Jan 26 23:07:15 just dont forget the space at beginning when using append, I always miss it Jan 26 23:08:02 XorA:kk Jan 26 23:17:06 * JustinP likes bb Jan 26 23:17:51 time for me to sleep Jan 26 23:29:17 JustinP: the demo? Jan 26 23:29:49 hrw|tv: yep. it built as i686 in bitbake so I cimpiled it natively on my Z Jan 26 23:29:51 works fine Jan 26 23:31:32 I'll fix my OE build later Jan 26 23:35:20 with mikmod support Jan 26 23:35:28 to get music Jan 26 23:35:36 btw - does it work good on Z? Jan 26 23:36:29 bttm Jan 26 23:37:04 it works perfectly :-) you guys should bring it for FOSDEM Jan 26 23:37:11 yeah, with sound support Jan 26 23:37:21 I'll need some more work on the bb to make it all work Jan 26 23:43:02 * JustinP wants an aalib visualization library.... Jan 26 23:47:30 * JustinP attempts xaos build again Jan 26 23:51:58 hi, all! Jan 26 23:52:45 hey Jan 26 23:52:50 It seems that some of last commits that relate to Zire 72 did not hit target, so I added missing patches to bug 1820 Jan 26 23:57:49 slapin_nb, in such cases you should suspect missed push ;-) Jan 26 23:58:20 03slapinid 07org.oe.dev * r1e058126... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-hackndev-2.6/palmz72/defconfig): linux-hackndev-2.6: Update defconfig for palmz72. Jan 26 23:58:24 03slapinid 07org.oe.dev * rc2f07abc... 10/ (1 conf/machine/palmz72.conf): palmz72: Minor update. Jan 27 00:02:12 psokolovsky, thanks! Jan 27 00:02:32 slapin_nb, sorry about this Jan 27 00:04:51 psokolovsky, np I just was curious for errors on my side then looked at commits list and found no commit, then concatenated all this and decided to open bug about that having chance to learn about mtn diff functionality :) Jan 27 00:05:37 slapin_nb, yep, mtn diff rules ;-). you probably want to do "mtn diff ." most of the time (equivalien of "svn diff") Jan 27 00:06:51 psokolovsky, mtn diff is like git diff, so I used to it already :) Jan 27 00:07:18 ok ;-) Jan 27 00:08:15 psokolovsky, how could I see log of revisions and diff from previous? :) Jan 27 00:08:45 mtn log --diffs helps Jan 27 00:09:07 slapin_nb, as usual, "mtn log". but it's used to be very slow in older versions. and I'm still on such old version ;-) Jan 27 00:09:28 hrw|tv, I've updated site for defconfigman - thanks for html Jan 27 00:09:51 your welcome Jan 27 00:10:23 mtn log in 0.32 is fast Jan 27 00:10:28 but also a bit changed.. Jan 27 00:26:40 hrw|tv, btw, how about granting me commit access? Jan 27 00:27:49 slapin_nb: show us your patches and we will think about it. Jan 27 00:28:17 slapin_nb: iirc you provided 'just' palms support Jan 27 00:28:44 hrw|tv, I just want to maintain Palm Zire 72 port Jan 27 00:29:26 slapin_nb: the rules are same for anyone: show us your patches and we will think about it. Jan 27 00:30:04 ok Jan 27 00:30:08 slapin_nb: machine related stuff can be easily updated via sending patches. Jan 27 00:30:23 but you can choose some of packages in OE and start to maintain them Jan 27 00:30:32 provide fixes, updates etc. Jan 27 00:31:13 psokolovsky: do you remember how much time it took until you got commit rights? Jan 27 00:32:05 hrw|tv, I'll think about it (some maemo stuff probably). Jan 27 00:32:24 hrw|tv, I already "instructed" slapin_nb regarding this. IIRC, ~1month of sending patches (not only h4000's). all in all, it was really quick comparing to HH.org kernel CVS ;-) Jan 27 00:32:38 slapin_nb, hint: thumb ;-) Jan 27 00:32:40 maemo is totally unmaintained and I lack time to properly remove it ;d Jan 27 00:33:09 for me it took 2.5 months Jan 27 00:34:14 first small updates and finally first booting image for collie Jan 27 00:34:35 psokolovsky, yeah, you're right, I'm working on it already - esound-gpe is seems to be broken with thumb, probably I need to build world to see all Jan 27 00:35:02 slapin_nb: avoid building world unless you are ready for it. Jan 27 00:35:29 freeciv anyone? Jan 27 00:35:32 world build can break anything Jan 27 00:35:43 luke-jr: maintaining or playing? Jan 27 00:35:55 playing :) Jan 27 00:36:01 hrw|tv, I know but I will have to check many packages for thumb compatibility Jan 27 00:36:12 slapin_nb: good choice Jan 27 00:36:40 luke-jr: not now - just finished starwars 'making of' movie and its 02:09 here so time to go to bed Jan 27 00:36:47 pfft :p Jan 27 00:37:38 my website is getting more and more visits each day ;D Jan 27 00:45:20 psokolovsky, how to force all updated packages to be rebuilt? Jan 27 00:45:46 slapin_nb, updated by you or from repo? Jan 27 00:46:00 psokolovsky, from repo Jan 27 00:46:24 slapin_nb, just build main target and all changed should rebuild Jan 27 00:46:25 just run 'bitbake those which were updated' Jan 27 00:46:37 or their main target Jan 27 00:46:49 slapin_nb, to force-rebuild one pkg, add "-c rebuild" Jan 27 00:47:25 if i do bitbake blah-image, it just rebuilds image, but I know that at least X server was updated... Jan 27 00:47:50 blah-image is a bit customized gpe-image... Jan 27 00:47:55 slapin_nb: then do 'bitbake blah-image' and xserver should be rebuild too if it has PR bumped Jan 27 00:51:19 slapin_nb, so yes, what controls it is bumping PR. everyone who changes something, should bump PR, unless change is really trivial. Jan 27 00:52:15 slapin_nb, oh, and if it's *customized* image, maybe you have deps wrong ;-) Jan 27 00:52:25 if change affect packaging then bump PR Jan 27 00:53:52 hrw|tv, thanks! it seems it was PEBCAK-type problem on my side Jan 27 00:54:45 http://www.hrw.one.pl/2007/01/27/star-wars-empire-of-dreams/ Jan 27 00:55:03 psokolovsky, thanks! it seems to be cache became corrupted somehow, as I removed it it started building ok. Jan 27 00:55:30 btw, is it possible to du multi-machine builds? Jan 27 00:55:55 slapin_nb: yes Jan 27 00:56:08 to have 2 machines build at one execution of bitbake? Jan 27 00:56:11 slapin_nb: which distro you use now? Jan 27 00:56:19 Angstrom Jan 27 00:56:44 slapin_nb: then all you need is switching machien after first build and do same build Jan 27 00:57:10 for machine in palmz72 palmld palmtx ; do MACHINE=$machine && echo $MACHINE && echo "MACHINE='$MACHINE'" >conf/auto.conf && bitbake task-base;done Jan 27 00:57:20 slapin_nb, no, but at least not build gcc+glibc for each machine ;-D Jan 27 00:57:44 so I need to run bitbake several times, ok. Jan 27 00:58:12 snd I need to include auto.conf from local.conf? Jan 27 00:58:15 slapin_nb, you can even just pass MACHINE= in environment Jan 27 00:58:24 psokolovsky: it fsck binutils Jan 27 00:59:05 slapin_nb, number of machine-dependent packages actually not big, and we fight to cut them down even more. well, I guess, we fight. me for sure ;-D Jan 27 00:59:13 hrw|tv, yeah Jan 27 01:00:29 ok, thanks! I better go to bed - 4:31 is here :) Jan 27 01:00:33 ~praise quilt Jan 27 01:00:41 All hail quilt! Jan 27 01:00:43 cul8er Jan 27 01:01:02 bye! Jan 27 01:10:18 hi Jan 27 01:11:39 hi Jan 27 01:12:13 is there, in internet i mean, angstrom images to install directly without compiling ? Jan 27 01:15:02 JustinP, we Jan 27 01:16:08 alvise: there were some released, yes, check the website and mailing lists Jan 27 01:17:05 do the dreambox guys have their own channel? Jan 27 01:17:16 in the web site there is in bolded font building angstrom.... (please help no..ghgh) but i didn't find images http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom Jan 27 01:20:23 cu Jan 27 01:20:47 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/ Jan 27 01:23:19 thx Jan 27 01:23:20 !! Jan 27 01:25:29 hrw|gone, c3200 thakes armv5te or version 6 feeds ? Jan 27 01:30:16 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/20070121/spitz/ founded ! But initrd.bin ? Jan 27 01:31:01 zimage... -> zImage.bin , updater.sh.spitz -> updater.sh, but Anstrom-bootstrap-image-test..blablabla..ext2/img/targz2 Jan 27 01:31:20 have to rename it ? Jan 27 01:39:31 tmbinc: ping Jan 27 01:50:00 Jin^eLD, may u help me please.. Jan 27 01:50:08 Jin^eLD, i want to install angstrom Jan 27 01:50:13 alvise: sorry I never tried Angstrom Jan 27 01:50:15 Jin^eLD, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/20070101/spitz/ Jan 27 01:50:47 Jin^eLD, but probably you know what files to download.... Jan 27 01:51:21 Jin^eLD, my problem is that angstrom installation help tell to download zImage.bin, initrd.bin, updater.sh Jan 27 01:52:07 but if you look into the site upward.. there isn't initrd.bin Jan 27 01:52:43 well, the rootfs must be the filesystem, provided in different formats, zImageis the kernel Jan 27 01:53:05 but as I said, I never tried it so I have no idea Jan 27 01:53:27 you might want to drop by during daytime (C.E.T.) when more people are awake Jan 27 01:53:27 JustinP, yes... but then Angstrom-bootstrap-image-test-20070101-spitz.rootfs.img rename to -> ? Jan 27 01:53:48 Jin^eLD, hehehe Jan 27 01:54:03 JustinP, i'm in cet too :D Jan 27 01:54:03 ghhg Jan 27 01:54:28 alvise: cet? Jan 27 01:54:43 alvise: same as for OZ. Jan 27 01:54:59 JustinP, GMT+1 Jan 27 01:55:05 JustinP, 3.30 AM Jan 27 01:55:07 opss Jan 27 01:55:09 alvise: nope, I'm in CA Jan 27 01:56:12 JustinP, in oz there is hdimage1.tgz Jan 27 01:58:58 JustinP, here (on the site) .img, .ext2. bz2... Jan 27 01:59:39 JustinP, and angstrom site say that i must have a initrd.bin Jan 27 02:00:01 don't know what to do.. Jan 27 02:00:47 no initrd.bin Jan 27 02:00:50 you want the bz2 Jan 27 02:00:57 if you have a C3x00 Jan 27 02:01:27 yes c3200. then hdimage1.tar.bz2 and gnu-tar Jan 27 02:01:50 yeah Jan 27 02:02:00 JustinP, ok :D thx ! Pant pant .. Jan 27 02:02:11 wipe that drool off Jan 27 02:02:28 * JustinP attempts to get xaos working Jan 27 02:15:44 JustinP, .. doens't work.. Jan 27 02:16:25 alvise: did you use the updater.sh, gnu-tar, and zimage from angstrom? Jan 27 02:17:59 JustinP, yes.. and i renamed Angstrom-bootstrap-image-test-20070121-spitz.rootfs.tar.bz2 to hdimage1.tar.bz2 Jan 27 02:18:13 JustinP, but didn't install the hdimage... Jan 27 02:18:40 JustinP, because the kernel is changed, but i have a kernel panic because there is nothing on the partitions Jan 27 02:19:00 kernel panic - no init found. Jan 27 02:22:14 strange Jan 27 02:22:42 JustinP, on internet someone have tried with rootfs.img Jan 27 02:22:45 on akita Jan 27 02:23:14 that has flash Jan 27 02:23:15 only Jan 27 02:23:21 mm.. didn't say if was correct Jan 27 02:23:26 we use the HD for the C3x00 Jan 27 02:23:39 JustinP, aa. ok Jan 27 02:23:52 try: "bzip -d hdimage1.tar.bz2; gzip hdimage1.tar" Jan 27 02:23:57 bzip2 -d Jan 27 02:24:06 I think that the updater only sees tar.gz Jan 27 02:24:13 :-/ Jan 27 02:24:23 I don't know why koen has been distributing bz2 if we don't supprot it.... Jan 27 02:24:26 mm .. ok :D try now. Jan 27 02:28:35 JustinP, booting sd card.. cross the fingers Jan 27 02:28:47 JustinP, yea ! Works ;) Jan 27 02:28:50 thx ! Jan 27 02:28:55 JDD RO file system :) Jan 27 02:29:13 JustinP, thank you. Jan 27 02:30:41 :-P Jan 27 02:31:02 JustinP, wawww :D Fantastic ! OE logo :D Jan 27 02:31:48 alvise: careful....the damn /etc/init.d/rc script fails when I "init 6" and forces me to kill my Z Jan 27 02:32:03 alvise: I'm still trying to figure out who broke init Jan 27 02:32:29 hrw|gone: do you know why angstrom is distributing bz2 when updater.sh can't handle them? Jan 27 02:33:50 JustinP, ok.. well unstable :( .. Do you think it's better to install oz-gpe bye now ? Jan 27 02:34:46 alvise: I don't have an answer to that. I'm attempting to make angstrom usable for myself now as my OZ keeps doing strange things and gpsd only works for me in angstrom **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 27 02:59:58 2007