**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 14 02:59:57 2007 Feb 14 06:16:41 Hi Feb 14 06:33:07 CoreDump|afk: nice blog (http://blog.hentges.net/?p=93) Feb 14 06:47:35 03koen 07org.oe.dev * reb2aaa81... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): pixop-test: adds new enhanced version written by Rob Taylor Feb 14 07:01:23 good morning all Feb 14 07:05:53 Cool thing: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4837503255.html Feb 14 07:06:35 hah! Feb 14 07:06:45 "special USB drivers" my ass Feb 14 07:07:29 a cool idea nonetheless Feb 14 07:07:46 * rwhitby looks for a serial port on the picture ... Feb 14 07:08:48 hmm - two plated through holes above and below the processor. and two more on the power and ground planes at the right end. Feb 14 07:09:48 I'm guessing you add a different adapter on the end depending on what connection you want Feb 14 07:12:20 http://www.dilnetpc.com/dnp0069.htm Feb 14 07:13:04 hardware reference doc: http://www.dilnetpc.com/DNP9200-HWR.pdf Feb 14 07:14:32 rwhitby: Kind of similar hw compared to the nslu2 or am I totally mistaken? Feb 14 07:16:56 the at91 has a lot more dma port iirc Feb 14 07:17:23 CM: twice as much flash as an NSLU2. Feb 14 08:03:51 moin Feb 14 08:05:06 moin zecke Feb 14 08:20:52 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r045b9bbf... 10/ (14 files in 4 dirs): madwifi-ng: merged slugos patches into mainline, dropped old versions. Feb 14 08:20:57 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r8c812873... 10/ (1 packages/arm-kernel-shim/files/config-dsmg600.h): arm-kernel-shim: first attempt at dmsg600 config Feb 14 08:21:01 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * rd125bf40... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): arm-kernel-shim: Added PASSTHROUGH_ATAGS support. Feb 14 08:25:08 morning all ! Feb 14 08:50:50 hi all Feb 14 08:51:27 hi ade|desk Feb 14 08:51:35 morning Ifaistos Feb 14 08:52:16 morning all in fact :) Feb 14 08:52:21 * RP needs to wake up... Feb 14 08:56:28 hey ade|desk & RP Feb 14 08:57:38 RP : Hi ! Feb 14 08:57:51 koen : Hi ! Feb 14 08:58:01 ade|desk : hi ! Feb 14 08:58:39 koen : did you like my "artistic expressions" :) Feb 14 08:59:59 Ifaistos: yes! Feb 14 09:02:04 koen : it can be easily made a line-art (bitmap) logo also Feb 14 09:04:09 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r90fa369d... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): base-file: add some prettier issue files for angstrom, courtesy Stelios Koroneos Feb 14 09:16:05 morning Feb 14 09:16:11 rwhitby: thanks Feb 14 09:16:27 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra47d5b25... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): cairo: update to 1.3.14 snapshot, apply surface-cache patch from Jorn Feb 14 09:16:36 hey CoreDump|afk Feb 14 09:17:49 hi /nick hrw Feb 14 09:17:54 * CoreDump|home resumes the ungodly task of setting up OE.... Feb 14 09:17:58 yo hrw|gone Feb 14 09:18:05 hey hrw|gone Feb 14 09:18:19 CoreDump|home: that's five minutes + downloading time Feb 14 09:18:20 my connection to ewi is terribly lagged Feb 14 09:19:10 koen: more like in a "from scratch" kind of way =\ Feb 14 09:19:23 yes Feb 14 09:19:46 download OE.mtn, extract, adjust sample script, write 3 lines in local.conf Feb 14 09:20:35 koen: I compile in a jail. I usually need 2 days for the first error-free image ;) Feb 14 09:21:14 FSCKING DFI Feb 14 09:21:17 APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) Feb 14 09:21:33 CoreDump|home: apt-get install openembedded-essential Feb 14 09:21:52 you are kidding Feb 14 09:22:52 no Feb 14 09:23:05 is that in debian pool ? Feb 14 09:23:13 on the OE site Feb 14 09:24:03 http://www.openembedded.org/dl/packages/ Feb 14 09:24:18 hrw: could you add that to gettingstarted and/or requiredsoftware? Feb 14 09:24:49 koen: its under link 'oeandyourdistro' which is in getting started Feb 14 09:24:58 ah, cool Feb 14 09:27:58 * CoreDump|home adds that repo to sources.list Feb 14 09:31:22 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r93723410... 10/ (1 conf/machine/efika.conf): /conf/machine/efika.conf: Remove extra PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel Feb 14 09:40:33 me cheers for openembedded-essential and installs a boatload of missing stuff Feb 14 09:41:28 :) Feb 14 09:41:50 CoreDump|home: your welcome Feb 14 09:42:02 =) Feb 14 09:42:11 hrw: your package? Feb 14 09:42:26 yes Feb 14 09:42:40 ~praise hrw Feb 14 09:42:47 All hail hrw! Feb 14 09:43:06 ~curse ccache Feb 14 09:43:08 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, ccache ! Feb 14 09:43:27 I am so backing up the new jail once it's finished Feb 14 09:44:58 nslu2 need powered hub??? Feb 14 09:45:20 not afaik Feb 14 09:45:40 my ethernet dongle worked fine without it Feb 14 09:45:57 how to disable ccache in OE? Feb 14 09:46:06 CCACHE="" Feb 14 09:46:49 e.g. in local.conf Feb 14 09:47:09 thx Feb 14 09:47:27 will take more time but will finish Feb 14 09:49:17 hrw: you can power an nslu2 via it's usb port - let's just say that it doesn't closely follow the usb specs Feb 14 09:49:41 usb has specs? Feb 14 09:49:44 but don't try and power a 3.5" desktop disk - it will be unreliable Feb 14 09:52:18 rwhitby: so nslu2 + pendrive (for rootfs) + poweredhub with bt can be run only on hub power? Feb 14 09:53:29 yes Feb 14 09:54:03 great Feb 14 09:56:23 http://www.mattb.net.nz/blog/2007/02/14/dell-carbon-neutrality/ Feb 14 09:58:38 hrw : Have you tested multimachine with uclibc targets ? i am getting some strange results Feb 14 09:59:20 Ifaistos: no Feb 14 09:59:55 hrw : for some reason its ignoring PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel and using the one from the previous machine Feb 14 10:00:55 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * rc3e49db4... 10/ (1 conf/distro/mokoslug.conf): mokoslug: Angstrom derivative, designed for nslu2 server companion to openmoko phones. Feb 14 10:01:32 * koen still doesn't get why 'mokoslug' isn't an image but a distro Feb 14 10:02:34 koen: cause today it is based on Angstrom, but tomorrow it may not be. Feb 14 10:02:52 that only proves my point Feb 14 10:03:05 FSCKING ccache! Feb 14 10:03:24 now I need to spend lot of time or 'rm -rf ~/.ccache' Feb 14 10:03:43 ccache didn't make a big difference over here Feb 14 10:03:52 I actually lost time because it was buggy Feb 14 10:08:59 rwhitby: next commit is for you :) Feb 14 10:09:33 * hrw want tool which show EXACT memory usage of apps (and let it be something other then gexmap) Feb 14 10:09:48 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r930b2eee... 10/ (1 packages/angstrom/angstrom-mokogateway-image.bb): angstrom-mokogateway-image: add a WIP image to show rwithby you don't need a seperate distro for such things Feb 14 10:09:54 hrw: exmap-console? Feb 14 10:10:35 koen: ok, but why then is it called angstrom-* if it could be used with any distro? Feb 14 10:10:36 koen: already thinking about it Feb 14 10:11:05 rwhitby: because of certain person sending me hatemail if I add it without angstrom-* prefix Feb 14 10:11:11 *cough* reenoo *cough* Feb 14 10:11:54 hrw: http://projects.o-hand.com/exmap-console (but of course you already have seen that) Feb 14 10:12:05 ;D Feb 14 10:13:34 rwhitby: nothing stops you from setting DISTRO="slugos" bitbake angstrom-mokogateway-image Feb 14 10:13:37 lol Feb 14 10:15:25 koen: nothing apart from good sense and orthogonality. Feb 14 10:18:28 hrw, why don't you like exmap? Feb 14 10:19:06 MickeyL : it seems my mails to the mailing list are not comming through although I am subscribed Feb 14 10:19:17 Crofton|laptop: gexmap? Feb 14 10:19:30 gerwinin: I got one of your OE ML mails Feb 14 10:19:33 koen: seriously, why does renoo not like new things in packages/images ? Feb 14 10:19:54 e.g. packages/images/mokogateway-image.bb Feb 14 10:21:15 yeah Feb 14 10:21:50 hrw: I sent two times mail about fosdem 0 reactions Feb 14 10:22:23 gerwinin, I'll help :) Feb 14 10:22:50 Crofton: can you send me a mail on gerwin@vanderkruis.net Feb 14 10:23:36 ok Feb 14 10:24:50 done Feb 14 10:25:01 I still haven't worked out my schedule yet Feb 14 10:25:40 in terms of what talks I need to see Feb 14 10:26:38 hrw, why don't you like gexmap? Feb 14 10:26:59 I am actually very interested in it, and plan to look at it "soon" Feb 14 10:27:06 Crofton|laptop: interface suxx Feb 14 10:27:12 heh Feb 14 10:27:20 but are numbers useful? Feb 14 10:27:30 * Crofton|laptop is highly tolerant Feb 14 10:28:00 Crofton|laptop: I need to read a bit how exmap works before will tell more.too much 0.00 numbers here Feb 14 10:28:57 there is a talk on it at FOSDEM Feb 14 10:29:13 I think it is the same time as the kernel talk :( Feb 14 10:30:22 rwhitby: because he thinks everything I do is bad, but that it doesn't matter if it's in angstrom/ Feb 14 10:31:13 rwhitby: feel free to move it to images/mokogateway-image.bb if you want Feb 14 10:32:08 ipkg-make-index..... Feb 14 10:32:23 hrw: you forgot some more '......' Feb 14 10:33:34 sweet, the PVR150 is only €49 Feb 14 10:33:34 I will have to break and go buy extra ram Feb 14 10:33:43 total used free shared buffers cached Feb 14 10:33:43 Mem: 962300 937676 24624 0 51780 504960 Feb 14 10:33:49 I hate todays software Feb 14 10:34:23 hrw, have you looked at pmap? Feb 14 10:34:32 no Feb 14 10:35:36 it shows memory mappings, but not wht is actually used Feb 14 10:38:28 one thing bad in multimachine: looooots of stuff in ipk/ Feb 14 10:38:50 yeah, I'm still to lazy to split it up sanely Feb 14 10:39:56 3m to generate image Feb 14 10:40:48 * rwhitby builds angstrom-mokoslug-image to see if it fits in 8MB ... Feb 14 10:41:14 (which is the key attribute of the mokoslug distro) Feb 14 10:41:30 rwhitby: debug apps might have crept in, but that's just a matter of DISTRO_TYPE = "release" instead of "debug" Feb 14 10:42:12 BTW, debug_apps in angstom has touchscreen stuff, even if you don't have a screen feature. Feb 14 10:44:46 * rwhitby now has to work out how to turn the stuff from slugos-image (8MB nslu2 image generation) into something that goes in a machine.conf file ... Feb 14 10:48:09 hmm.. hard to decide what to see at fosdem Feb 14 10:48:20 too much interesting stuff in sunday Feb 14 10:50:17 yeah Feb 14 10:54:51 RP: pavel machek will be at fosdem Feb 14 10:58:14 hrw: Interesting. Where did you see that? Feb 14 10:59:33 yay, it's parsing Feb 14 10:59:51 hrw: you might wanna add python-psyco to your meta .deb Feb 14 11:00:22 psyco doesn't help a lot with a recent bitbake Feb 14 11:00:28 according to RP's profiles Feb 14 11:00:47 It does help, just not as much as it used to Feb 14 11:01:06 at least it gets rid of the "INSTALL PSYCO NOW" message ;) Feb 14 11:01:23 RP: http://fosdem.org/2007/schedule/speakers/pavel+machek Feb 14 11:01:39 CoreDump|afk: and it is i386 only Feb 14 11:02:00 hrw: too bad, didn't know that Feb 14 11:02:01 RP: will we hurt him? Feb 14 11:02:09 "plays with Linux on real-small machines (like Siemens SX1 cell phone and Sharp Zaurus series)." Feb 14 11:02:13 real small?!?!? Feb 14 11:02:24 hrw: I'll settle for meeting him ;-) Feb 14 11:02:39 RP: I go for suspend session Feb 14 11:02:51 koen: for joe sickpack, these machines are indeed tiny =) Feb 14 11:04:09 * CoreDump|afk tries bitbake nano... Feb 14 11:04:11 hrw: I've yet to look at the programme but I will probably go too Feb 14 11:54:34 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rc120fd97... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): shared-mime-info: update to 0.20 Feb 14 12:02:40 XorA|flu: get well soon Feb 14 12:11:49 hi mickeyl Feb 14 12:13:07 hey mickeyl Feb 14 12:21:09 morning Feb 14 12:21:16 i need assistance with an urgent bitbake matter Feb 14 12:21:54 we have SRCDATE_foo=now Feb 14 12:22:09 which always checks out again from tip Feb 14 12:22:17 could we have two things Feb 14 12:22:33 a) bitbake transforming now into the actual date Feb 14 12:22:35 and Feb 14 12:22:58 mickeyl: checks out again == with bitbake 1.6? Feb 14 12:22:58 b) bitbake automatically rebuiling everything with SRCDATE=now and their dependencies? Feb 14 12:23:07 mickeyl: if now then date=yyyymmddhhMM? Feb 14 12:23:10 zecke: yes, we're using 1.6.2 here Feb 14 12:23:15 hrw: yes, like that Feb 14 12:23:29 mickeyl: tip should be fixed (if the patch has been backported) Feb 14 12:23:36 hrw: I will do a release at 16h clock Feb 14 12:23:43 mickeyl: bitbake 1.6.4 has some updates when it comes to svn fetcher Feb 14 12:24:03 hrw: does this also affect the "Now" issue? Feb 14 12:24:27 nope. now is now still Feb 14 12:24:34 but wait a moment.. Feb 14 12:24:37 mickeyl: always rebuilding is a bit tricky as well Feb 14 12:24:49 i know, it's not a simple problem Feb 14 12:24:56 that's why i ask the gurus ;) Feb 14 12:26:15 mickeyl: SRCDATE_foo=now is a bad idea Feb 14 12:27:04 mickeyl: do_configure_prepend() { svn up} Feb 14 12:28:08 mickeyl: http://pastebin.ca/355357 like that? Feb 14 12:28:27 not tested at all Feb 14 12:28:35 hrw: that looks good for a start Feb 14 12:28:40 i'll test it, thanks Feb 14 12:29:03 that might solve the bug I reported ages ago Feb 14 12:29:04 mickeyl: give feedback Feb 14 12:29:09 hrw: of course Feb 14 12:29:18 koen: i agree, checking out completely new is a bit waste Feb 14 12:29:45 mickeyl: any idea on the ETA for openmoko.org not 401'ing? Feb 14 12:29:51 yea Feb 14 12:29:53 mickeyl: and update to recent 1.6-svn Feb 14 12:30:08 hrw: is that safe? Feb 14 12:30:11 i will get stoned Feb 14 12:30:13 if it breaks Feb 14 12:30:27 1.6-svn is going to get released today as 1.6.4 Feb 14 12:30:27 mickeyl: I updated 1.4 to 1.6.4 in last week Feb 14 12:30:28 koen: afaict within the next 4 hours Feb 14 12:30:45 mickeyl: and all works still Feb 14 12:31:22 good Feb 14 12:31:30 mickeyl: I will release 1.6.4 once I wake up again, but do a safe role out and then upgrade bitbake Feb 14 12:31:47 zecke: fair enough Feb 14 12:31:53 ~hail OH qemu Feb 14 12:32:06 * ibot_ bows down to OH qemu and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Feb 14 12:37:17 guys, how much is uclibc different from glibc in terms of compatibility. let's say I have some software developed for glibc, is it difficult to make it work with uclibc? Feb 14 12:39:38 mickeyl: have better version. but it needs OE support too Feb 14 12:40:09 yes, what is missing? Feb 14 12:40:14 http://pastebin.ca/355367 Feb 14 12:40:26 mickeyl: packed to ngi_app_repository.vernier.com:23845_.repos.trunk.vernier.sources__200702141312.tar.gz Feb 14 12:40:29 ops Feb 14 12:40:40 unpack from __now Feb 14 12:41:27 Hello Feb 14 12:41:35 I have a question to make Feb 14 12:41:51 don't ask to ask... ask :) Feb 14 12:41:51 B_Lizzard: then make a question Feb 14 12:42:20 Say I want to add a greek locale to a "task" .bb file...Like task-gpe.bb Feb 14 12:42:27 What package name do I use? Feb 14 12:42:32 mickeyl: base.bbclass Feb 14 12:42:45 mickeyl: if srcdate == "now": Feb 14 12:43:23 locale-base-el-gr, virtual-locale-el, virtual-locale-el-gr don't work Feb 14 12:43:41 locale-base-el-gr is the real package name Feb 14 12:43:43 B_Lizzard: IMAGE_LINGUAS += "el-gr' Feb 14 12:43:57 Thank you very much Feb 14 12:44:09 heh Feb 14 12:44:17 missing spiritus asper Feb 14 12:44:33 I was trying to add it by package name, but OE would say no such package provided... Feb 14 12:44:41 Thank you very much, hrw Feb 14 12:44:45 np Feb 14 12:51:32 mickeyl: got it Feb 14 12:52:33 cool Feb 14 12:52:34 mickeyl: http://pastebin.ca/355383 Feb 14 12:52:59 1.6 fetcher suxx Feb 14 12:53:07 i was thinking there might be an alternative Feb 14 12:53:07 too much code duplication Feb 14 12:53:09 without hacking bitbake Feb 14 12:53:18 mickeyl: hack base.bbclass Feb 14 12:53:20 your base.bbclass approach would work as well Feb 14 12:53:22 righto Feb 14 12:53:26 and it might even make more sense Feb 14 12:53:34 since PR is meaningless for SRCDATE=now Feb 14 12:53:39 we just set PR to