**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 15 02:59:57 2007 Feb 15 03:17:58 Hmm - e2fsprogs-* now conflicts with busybox Feb 15 03:21:06 night Feb 15 03:52:48 * rwhitby adds update-alternatives support to e2fsprogs Feb 15 06:00:51 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rcf75b3ea... 10/ (1 classes/openmoko-base.bbclass): openmoko-base.bbclass: switch to svn http transport, as requested by Harald Welte Feb 15 06:13:48 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r93426908... 10/ (64 files in 21 dirs): divers: remove superfluous spaces from SECTION line for 63 bb files. Feb 15 06:13:52 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r496db15d... 10/ (15 files in 12 dirs): divers: fix some minor spacing and quoting issues for 14 bb files. Feb 15 06:13:56 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r6a255fcb... 10/ (36 files in 16 dirs): divers: fix minor spacing errors, sanitize Feb 15 06:14:00 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r0c4f9a61... 10/ (1 packages/qpf-fonts/terminus.bb): terminus: replace unfetchable SRC_URI, closes 1870 Feb 15 06:14:29 good morning koen. You are up early today. Feb 15 06:18:05 Laibsch: yep, my girlfriend set her alarm clock a bit early Feb 15 06:18:16 and I figurered I could get up as well Feb 15 06:18:22 gooooooood morning all Feb 15 06:30:02 hey ko Feb 15 06:30:03 en Feb 15 06:34:06 hey rwhitby Feb 15 06:35:35 koen: if my nslu2 8MB firmware file creation depends on another application (like slugimage), how can I put that dependency and the code for firmware file generation in machine.conf so that it can be applied to any distro? Feb 15 06:36:17 EXTRA_IMAGE_CMD ? Feb 15 06:36:21 I see IMAGE_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND - is that the recommended way? Feb 15 06:36:40 one of the IMAGE_* vars, yes Feb 15 06:37:23 that works for the code to do it - what about the dependency on slugimage-native? what do I use for that? Feb 15 06:37:57 koen: Going through some old bugs here. Has 790 been taken care of? Feb 15 06:38:00 !oebug 790 Feb 15 06:38:02 * * Bug 790, Status: NEW, Created: 2006-03-27 22:54 Feb 15 06:38:02 * * koen(AT)dominion.kabel.utwente.nl: Enlightenment has changed cvs, recipes need updating Feb 15 06:38:03 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=790 Feb 15 06:38:27 Laibsch: e stuff is justinp's territory Feb 15 06:39:06 koen: it seems that we need an IMAGE_POSTPROCESS_DEPENDS in image.bbclass added to DEPENDS. Feb 15 06:40:21 Laibsch: don't forget to bump PR if you change SECTION Feb 15 06:46:10 Hmm, although it's not clean, I guess I can add to EXTRA_IMAGEDEPENDS in machine.conf Feb 15 06:53:35 Laibsch: thanks for working through all those bugs Feb 15 07:00:23 koen: There are so many old, easy picks in there. I just could not resist ;-) Feb 15 07:00:41 BTW, when is the next bug fixing weekend? Feb 15 07:01:46 in ~3 weeks Feb 15 07:02:55 Laibsch: http://www.openembedded.org/ical/oe-events.ics has them all Feb 15 07:06:03 bitbake -b glibc_2.5.bb -c rebuild Feb 15 07:06:06 * koen cries Feb 15 07:20:33 morning Feb 15 07:20:36 hrw: go morning Feb 15 07:20:43 koen: awesome work on openmoko Feb 15 07:26:20 * rwhitby is waiting for DISTRO=openmoko :-) Feb 15 07:26:43 * koen isn't waiting for that :) Feb 15 07:27:04 well, I have no other suitable device with a screen. Feb 15 07:27:18 fsck.. I have too many OE/poky trees and did nightly build with wrong one ;( Feb 15 07:27:25 what has the DISTRO to do with that? Feb 15 07:28:44 rwhitby: MACHINE != DISTRO :) Feb 15 07:28:50 which DISTRO should I use with fic-gta01 then? Feb 15 07:29:08 doesn't really matter Feb 15 07:29:27 * CM doesn't know the difference either Feb 15 07:29:42 I just tried to follow the wiki :) Feb 15 07:30:42 koen: since I have no other PDA to try the apps alone on, I waiting until OE (base OE, not some funky version downloaded from FIC) can rebuild an image for the neo1973, so I'll be ready to reflash the phone when I get it. Feb 15 07:31:05 hence my assumption that there will be a DISTRO=openmoko at some stage which does exactly that Feb 15 07:31:14 ehm Feb 15 07:31:20 * koen is getting a deja-vu Feb 15 07:31:29 rwhitby: DISTRO != image-target Feb 15 07:31:38 I think we had that discussion yesterday Feb 15 07:31:55 we did. but Angstrom != OpenMoko either Feb 15 07:32:21 MACHINE is about hardware, distro about policy, images and tasks about what to build Feb 15 07:32:50 right, and I'm waiting for the DISTRO which sets the policy exactly the same as FIC's openmoko distro. Feb 15 07:33:54 I doubt that any of the existing distros *exactly* match the policy, images and tasks that the moko folks have chosen. Feb 15 07:34:09 ehm Feb 15 07:34:15 distro != image != task Feb 15 07:34:48 koen: yes. that doesn't answer the question though. Feb 15 07:35:19 your question can't be answered Feb 15 07:35:30 since its basic premise is flawed Feb 15 07:35:42 "I doubt that any of the existing distros *exactly* match the policy, images and tasks that the moko folks have chosen." Feb 15 07:35:57 that's wrong Feb 15 07:36:03 let me rephrase it then. what combination of MACHINE and DISTRO in OE (in the future, cause it doesn't exist now) will build the same firmware image which is flashed on the Neo1973? Feb 15 07:36:12 ""I doubt that any of the existing distros *exactly* match the policy the moko folks have chosen." is a bit better Feb 15 07:36:28 rwhitby: none Feb 15 07:36:43 koen: that's why I'm waiting, cause eventually there will be one. Feb 15 07:36:47 since FIC is using an older snapshot which has stuff OE has replaced with newer versions Feb 15 07:36:53 Is there any major difference because of the policy then? Feb 15 07:37:18 koen: you're telling me that current OE and FIC OE are never going to become one at some point in the future? Feb 15 07:37:47 rwhitby: no Feb 15 07:38:07 rwhitby: in short and medium term they will be different Feb 15 07:38:18 till we sort out all the quirks Feb 15 07:38:18 So DISTRO is used to lock versions of packages or? Feb 15 07:38:18 ok, so at that point in the future (which is what I have been referring to all along, not the point in time which is today), what will the MACHINE and DISTRO be? Feb 15 07:38:26 which we can't if we insist on using FIC OE Feb 15 07:39:29 rwhitby: phase0/phase1 will probably get FIC OE generated images/distro Feb 15 07:39:46 rwhitby: MACHINE=fic-gta01 Feb 15 07:39:57 rwhitby: and it cannot be recreated with OE .dev and rather never will Feb 15 07:40:40 koen: I don't think you've got the "in the future" part of my question. I'm not asking what DISTRO will create an image now, nor am I asking what DISTRO will recreate the exact image that FIC ships. I'm asking whether OE will ever have a DISTRO which aligns with some future FIC OE version and they build the same image at that point in the future. Feb 15 07:40:57 it won't Feb 15 07:41:02 since we don't have agpsd sources Feb 15 07:41:22 bah - you can always download the binary from the FIC site. Feb 15 07:41:31 (just like we do today with nslu2-linux stuff) Feb 15 07:41:49 hrw: why "and rather never will" ? Feb 15 07:42:46 rwhitby: I'm discussing moving DISTRO=openmoko over to DISTRO=angstrom for the long term with the FIC people Feb 15 07:42:47 rwhitby: want to add older software again? OE .dev got many updates Feb 15 07:42:53 since it's angstrom derived to start with Feb 15 07:43:05 hrw: *future* image, not today's image Feb 15 07:43:31 rwhitby: in future openmoko will be probably angstrom Feb 15 07:44:25 ok, so the answer to my original question is angstrom. Feb 15 07:45:16 (i.e. the current plan is that at some point in the future, DISTRO=angstrom MACHINE=fic-gta01 will build an image that works on a Neo1973 and matches what FIC ships) Feb 15 07:45:24 we'll need to sort https://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=180 first Feb 15 07:45:29 (ships at that time, not now) Feb 15 07:45:33 koen: u-boot? Feb 15 07:45:37 yes Feb 15 07:46:19 koen: try to get Crofton for it Feb 15 07:46:39 hrw: it looks like http://sources.redhat.com/ml/crossgcc/2006-04/msg00071.html Feb 15 07:46:57 hrw: it seems uboot has a completely different code patch for each SoC/machine Feb 15 07:47:04 s/patch/path/ Feb 15 07:50:30 http://sources.redhat.com/ml/crossgcc/2006-04/msg00073.html Feb 15 07:51:41 the bottom part of http://sources.redhat.com/ml/crossgcc/2006-04/msg00077/iwmmxt.patch ? Feb 15 07:55:30 no idea Feb 15 07:57:15 "the build process only links in libgcc Feb 15 07:57:15 and not in libgcc_eh where the missing symbols are defined" Feb 15 07:58:25 * koen tries -lgcc_eh Feb 15 07:59:02 hrw: it all comes back OE not having uboot-utils-native :( Feb 15 08:11:57 * koen reads http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/46-N800-VFP-or-not-to-VFP.html Feb 15 08:17:02 * koen stabs uboot Feb 15 08:17:12 * koen stabs uboot for using custom linker scripts Feb 15 08:18:30 * koen stabs uboot again Feb 15 08:18:33 ~kill uboot Feb 15 08:18:39 * ibot_ shoots a super-inverse neutron gun at uboot Feb 15 08:53:11 .eh Feb 15 08:53:13 meh Feb 15 08:53:24 uboot is a stinking pile of crap Feb 15 08:53:34 even the mkimage tool requires a board configuration Feb 15 09:01:13 come back blob , all is forgiven ? Feb 15 09:10:41 hi Feb 15 09:12:04 hi Feb 15 09:12:38 hi Feb 15 09:13:15 It is David Wong, Open Embedded newbie from Hong Kong Feb 15 09:16:52 good morning Feb 15 09:18:13 I am trying to build a mips cross compiler using OE. how should I shart? Feb 15 09:18:25 start Feb 15 09:19:12 davidtlwong: by following the steps in http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted Feb 15 09:19:49 I have read it and have bitbake, oe build directory setup Feb 15 09:20:10 i can bitbake some native package now Feb 15 09:20:40 so how to build the mipsel-linux-uclibc-gcc ? Feb 15 09:24:20 hey Feb 15 09:24:55 hi zecke|uni Feb 15 09:25:00 hey zecke|uni Feb 15 09:25:05 hey Feb 15 09:26:34 hi all Feb 15 09:29:26 hi zecke|uni Feb 15 09:29:30 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r84052d65... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): glibc: unify some more Feb 15 09:29:36 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * ra2b67c60... 10/ (1 packages/glibc/glibc.inc): glibc: make explicit the (current) dependency of ldd on bash, partly closes 1788 Feb 15 09:29:45 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rc2de2061... 10/ (1 site/arm-linux site/common-glibc site/powerpc-linux): site: add monotone bits for powerpc, clamav bits for all and forced-unwind for arm Feb 15 09:29:57 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r1f1ee65b... 10/ (1 packages/gpsd/gpsd_2.34.bb packages/gpsd/gpsd.inc): gpsd: add 2.34 (from openmoko svn) Feb 15 09:30:06 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8de4b206... 10/ (1 packages/uboot/uboot-gta01_svn.bb): uboot-gta01: BINDIR -> BINDIR_NATIVE Feb 15 09:30:14 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r2f557aa0... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-openmoko.bb): task-openmoko: add it from openmoko svn Feb 15 09:30:21 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r4d6f6bc3... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): openmoko images: add them, IPKG -> PACKAGE (from openmoko svn) Feb 15 09:30:30 lol CIA woke up then Feb 15 09:30:33 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rebf3579d... 10/ (1 packages/images/openmoko-image.bb): openmoko-image: image_ipk -> image Feb 15 09:30:46 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf54b8b26... 10/ (19 files in 8 dirs): Feb 15 09:30:46 xserver-kdrive-common: merge from openmoko svn, merge in fixes from upstream xserver-common Feb 15 09:30:46 xserver-nodm-init: merge from openmoko svn Feb 15 09:30:50 03koen 07org.oe.dev * re2d1eaa1... 10/ (1 packages/mtpaint packages/mtpaint/mtpaint_3.02.bb): mtpaint: merge from openmoko svn Feb 15 09:30:59 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r27361f2a... 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): xoo: merge in gta01 skin from openmoko svn Feb 15 09:31:16 Laibsch: I'm reverting that ldd-> bash cset because it creates a circular dep Feb 15 09:33:09 Laibsch: glibc cannot depend on crosscompiled stuff Feb 15 09:34:11 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r11f5c137... 10/ (1 packages/glibc/glibc.inc): glibc: don't rdepend on bash, bitbake doesn't like thatd Feb 15 09:38:49 Koen: did you see my message to celf ? Feb 15 09:39:00 I read it this morning Feb 15 09:39:04 * koen reads again Feb 15 09:39:55 Koen: I am not a member of the core team but I think it is good to keep this link , they are interested in donating hardware Feb 15 09:40:07 right Feb 15 09:40:13 Koen: And maybe we can work some more things out with them Feb 15 09:40:40 gerwinin: CELF is sponsoring OE (me) to attend http://www.celinux.org/elc2007/index.html Feb 15 09:41:43 Koen: Can it be interesting for oe to have a bigger representation there ? Feb 15 09:42:20 gerwinin: it can. but not this year Feb 15 09:42:23 Hi! Feb 15 09:42:34 Koen: to work out some more permanent arrangement ? Feb 15 09:42:45 could be Feb 15 09:42:49 * koen likes the lamp in http://he-colo.netgate.com/~jim/Musenki/Desk-1.JPG Feb 15 09:42:58 hrw, wtf is umbaumba? there's no qackage for it, no file matching "umba", no commit message matching that %) Feb 15 09:43:11 psokolovsky: private distro Feb 15 09:43:15 Hrw: What I want is to work out some more permanent arrangement between oe and celf Feb 15 09:43:28 gerwinin: would be great Feb 15 09:43:35 hrw, well, so ok to revert libopenobex1 change then? Feb 15 09:43:56 psokolovsky: yes if that is needed Feb 15 09:44:05 OpenEmbedded - build embedded software yourCELF Feb 15 09:44:14 hrw, DEBIAN_NOAUTONAME_${PN} = "1" Feb 15 09:44:14 DEBIAN_NOAUTONAME_${PN}-apps = "1" Feb 15 09:44:20 Koen: for example Feb 15 09:44:32 we can remove that for PN only Feb 15 09:45:00 Koen: I am also thinking of some educational programm because in most uni's and hbo's windows is the standard Feb 15 09:45:52 Koen: who is normally the contact person for these kind of things ? Feb 15 09:46:18 Koen: Does oe have a fund where we can put the funds that are donated to us ? Feb 15 09:46:30 not that I know of Feb 15 09:46:39 * koen looks at zecke|uni and wogline Feb 15 09:46:42 woglinde* Feb 15 09:47:17 psokolovsky: feel free Feb 15 09:47:38 Koen: let me check what is needed to raise one so we can receive money as oe and from that money we can pay than things as colo, servers and booths and stuff Feb 15 09:47:54 gerwinin: OpenEmbedded Project Organization is something what does not exists (still) Feb 15 09:48:07 and pay domains... Feb 15 09:48:34 hrw: Yes for example Feb 15 09:49:33 gerwinin: domain payments are always fragile due to kergoth lack of money/work/etc Feb 15 09:50:22 hrw: that is pretty much the same here at this moment so I cannot take care of that but a fund could solve that issue Feb 15 09:51:12 * zecke|uni turns red Feb 15 09:51:43 * hrw goes afk Feb 15 09:53:18 morning all Feb 15 09:53:37 could someone perhaps help with an error I am getting? Feb 15 09:54:10 when I type bitbake nano, I get this: Feb 15 09:54:14 ERROR: Unable to parse conf/bitbake.conf (Could not include required file conf/distro/include/familiar.inc) Feb 15 09:54:22 anyone any idea what is wrong? Feb 15 09:55:37 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r956cef38... 10/ (1 packages/gsm/libgsmd_svn.bb): libgsmd: switch to plain http for checkout Feb 15 09:56:53 Paperface: I can see what's wrong: you're trying to build familiar Feb 15 09:57:04 is familiar broken? Feb 15 09:57:54 I'm trying to build amsdelta-oe Feb 15 09:58:12 which includes familiar.. Feb 15 09:58:13 Paperface: familiar is unsupported here Feb 15 09:58:25 unsupported? Feb 15 09:58:28 yes Feb 15 09:58:48 so why is it in this config file that I just checked out? Feb 15 09:58:49 try DISTRO=generic or DISTRO=angstrom-2007.1 for the amsdelta Feb 15 09:58:56 Familiar maintainers dropped OE usage long time ago Feb 15 09:59:19 oh right Feb 15 09:59:54 so why are there stil references to it in the repo? Feb 15 10:00:05 just out of interest Feb 15 10:00:35 Paperface: because the paid hordes of developers didn't remove them? :) Feb 15 10:00:52 he zecke Feb 15 10:00:54 ah ok Feb 15 10:01:01 well thanks for the answer, I never would have worked that out Feb 15 10:01:04 Paperface: up to today I have never heard of amsdelts-oe, and the ones who removed the familiar.inc just forgot pdate the amsdelta :) Feb 15 10:01:21 I though there was something wrong with my bitbake conf or setup Feb 15 10:01:29 woglinde: I'm sitting next to leningrad, do you want to drop by? Feb 15 10:01:35 zecke|uni: it's one of those "every machine needs its own distro" thing Feb 15 10:01:37 zecje in half an hour Feb 15 10:01:45 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rbf8b52c7... 10/ (1 conf/distro/amsdelta-oe.conf): amsdelta-oe: make it angstrom based Feb 15 10:01:47 woglinde: I will attend the tutorium as well Feb 15 10:01:53 oh Feb 15 10:02:08 zecke do you want write the exam? Feb 15 10:02:13 felt too bad today morning... Feb 15 10:02:19 woglinde: no, I won't :) Feb 15 10:02:26 woglinde: but today is not the exam is it? Feb 15 10:02:40 no its tomorrow Feb 15 10:02:58 woglinde: come here and help me with my slides... Feb 15 10:03:22 slides? Feb 15 10:03:27 fosdem? Feb 15 10:03:29 for FOSDEM lighning talk Feb 15 10:03:35 ah Feb 15 10:03:36 hm Feb 15 10:03:50 woglinde: alternatively help me to find a gal :) Feb 15 10:04:46 koen: i'm not sure if familiar->angstrom is a good idea currently, oz might be closer. Feb 15 10:05:00 florian: it's a good idea Feb 15 10:05:08 florian: oz is unmaintained in .dev Feb 15 10:05:12 hehe Feb 15 10:05:26 florian: and if you're going to switch ABI, you might as well switch to something sane Feb 15 10:08:37 cool little box: http://www.koolu.com/ Feb 15 10:09:00 koen: right, but my experience is that oz-unstable is still more stable than angstrom. Feb 15 10:09:22 florian: it actually isn't Feb 15 10:09:37 florian: especially the snapshots from 2007 Feb 15 10:10:09 (it's more stable in case you get caught in the double negatives) Feb 15 10:10:16 *g* Feb 15 10:10:28 :-) Feb 15 10:11:29 I am sensing amsdelta is not very well maintained ;) Feb 15 10:11:31 yeah, I wonder if 200703 will finally be the date ;-) Feb 15 10:13:57 yess please :-) Feb 15 10:14:20 Paperface: what is it anyway (seriously)? Feb 15 10:15:19 zecke|uni: a distro for the amsdelta phone (something like the tuxscreen) Feb 15 10:15:43 for amstrad e3 Feb 15 10:17:27 Noodles toy iirc Feb 15 10:17:34 yep Feb 15 10:18:36 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * rca61ef36... 10/ (1 packages/e2fsprogs/e2fsprogs_1.38.bb): e2fsprogs: Added update-alternatives support for the binaries which conflict with the latest busybox. Feb 15 10:18:40 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r4a9a7e8f... 10/ (1 packages/slugos-init/slugos-init_0.10.bb): slugos-init: No longer require the links.conf for the /dev/rtc link Feb 15 10:18:44 03mwester 07org.oe.dev * r3da51742... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Feb 15 10:18:44 arm-kernel-shim: Update DSM-G600 kernel shim to supply a default cmline, Feb 15 10:18:44 if the cmdline passed in from the bootloader is empty or missing. Feb 15 10:18:48 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * ra46699cc... 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): ixp4xx-kernel: Make the FIS directory partition writeable so it can be updated Feb 15 10:18:51 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r3e3164bc... 10/ (9 files in 4 dirs): slugos, unslung: Moved unslung image building into unslung-image, and split nslu2, nas100d and dsmg600 image building out into classes so they can be reused with multiple distros (like SlugOS and Angstrom) Feb 15 10:20:39 rwhitby: latest latest busybox got e2fs removed Feb 15 10:23:09 hrw: koen: yeh Noodles has been fiddling with it Feb 15 10:23:16 but not for a while Feb 15 10:23:38 someone else has got fuse running on it too: http://www.whitakernet.com/e3/spectrum_on_e3_1.jpg Feb 15 10:23:50 no idea if that guy uses OE or not though Feb 15 10:25:17 woglinde: okay Feb 15 10:25:33 woglinde: I'm in the cellar next to leningrad Feb 15 10:37:37 hrw: ah well, it's there now in case it ever comes back Feb 15 10:38:17 mickey_away: http://www.openembedded.org/~zecke/oe-talk.pdf this was sketched during the last 30 minutes, please spare some comments Feb 15 10:38:37 mickey_away: The bottom line is: Fix your buildsystem or you will not be part of OE's world domination Feb 15 10:40:44 zecke: last slide title is wrong Feb 15 10:41:03 'Same systems include' - rather 'Sane systems include'? Feb 15 10:50:10 zecke|foo: slide 7, s/Convience/Convince/ ? Feb 15 10:51:14 ~spell convinience Feb 15 10:51:17 possible spellings for convinience: convenience conveniences continence convince convenience's confidence convenient Feb 15 11:51:38 re Feb 15 11:53:47 Jin^eLD: wb Feb 15 11:54:58 hi koen Feb 15 12:01:55 morning Feb 15 12:15:36 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r6f820aa4... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): openmoko-dates: add intltool-update.in Feb 15 12:17:19 hello.. Feb 15 12:17:48 im trying to cross compile glib for ARM when configuring the autoconf adds a flag to the compilation command line -> "-pthread" (not -lpthread) that flag is not recognized by the arm-elf-gcc compiler...anyone knows what that flag is or how to get rid of it? Feb 15 12:18:43 are you using OE? Feb 15 12:19:08 using a proprietary toolchain based on uclinux Feb 15 12:19:35 I guess we can't help you then Feb 15 12:19:46 contact the vendor of your toolchain for support Feb 15 12:20:01 just trying to understand what the difference between -pthread and -lpthread is.. Feb 15 12:20:47 -lphtread == link with phread library Feb 15 12:20:55 that i know... Feb 15 12:20:57 -phtread is gcc option Feb 15 12:20:57 -pthread? Feb 15 12:21:08 option for? Feb 15 12:21:22 man gcc Feb 15 12:29:44 hrw: Which package is responsible for the kernel version check in oe? Feb 15 12:33:58 is there a glib dedicated channel? Feb 15 12:37:54 florian: that OZ one? Feb 15 12:38:00 florian: initscripts/checkversion Feb 15 12:53:46 mtn pull is very slow today Feb 15 12:54:38 indeed :> have it on for don't know how long already... Feb 15 12:55:48 hrw: What should I set for BUILD_ARCH in OE to build for native amd64? x86_64? native? Feb 15 13:00:16 CM: native as? you want to use OE packages on current system? build whole system for amd64? Feb 15 13:05:48 hrw: Yes, is that possible? Feb 15 13:07:57 I'm on a gentoo install on amd64, trying to build some oe things. Managed to build ep93xx before, but now fic-gta01 like in the wiki, fails to build gcc-cross-initial Feb 15 13:08:50 oh, not whole system btw. Just so I can try starting things in Xoo. Not the whole system Feb 15 13:09:42 CM: ah.. so you want to use yoour amd64 machine to build stuff to test on this machine? Feb 15 13:09:47 CM: MACHINE="native" Feb 15 13:09:58 ok, thanks a lot :) Feb 15 13:12:51 hrw: yes... thanks! Feb 15 13:14:33 psokolovsky: the webserver is currently causing a quite high load Feb 15 13:29:45 ~change 308.95 usd to gbp Feb 15 13:29:50 308.95 United States Dollar (USD) makes 157.776 Pound (GBP) (from http://www.xe.com/) Feb 15 13:30:09 ~change 1 usd to gpb Feb 15 13:30:13 1.00 United States Dollar (USD) makes 250.200 Dollar (ZWN) (from http://www.xe.com/) Feb 15 13:30:25 ~change 1 usd to gbp Feb 15 13:30:30 grr typo Feb 15 13:30:30 1.00 United States Dollar (USD) makes 0.510863 Pound (GBP) (from http://www.xe.com/) Feb 15 13:31:00 ~lart the current administration for letting the dollar be worthless Feb 15 13:31:00 * ibot_ follow's the current administration with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION for letting the dollar be worthless Feb 15 13:31:20 ~change 100usd to euro Feb 15 13:31:22 that doesn't look right Feb 15 13:31:30 ~change 100 usd to euro Feb 15 13:31:35 100.00 United States Dollar (USD) makes 76.0804 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/) Feb 15 13:44:27 re Feb 15 13:46:49 wb zecke Feb 15 13:53:47 hey Laibsch Feb 15 14:09:00 100 dollars = 71 euro Feb 15 14:10:14 * gerwinin is happy with his easyweb and wifi voip phone sdk :) Feb 15 14:24:26 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rdfc0afa8... 10/ (1 packages/openobex/openobex_1.2.bb): Feb 15 14:24:26 openobex 1.2: Do Debian renaming on openobex lib package, after all. Feb 15 14:24:26 * It appears that disallowing that is stray/typo. In other cases DEBIAN_NOAUTONAME Feb 15 14:24:26 is used, it is applied only to apps/conf/etc. packages. Execption is plugins in Feb 15 14:24:26 the form of shlib packages. Feb 15 14:24:26 * Other issue is why with this setting, and thus openobex.ipk being produced, Feb 15 14:24:30 many packages still depend on libopenobex. Anyway, don't follow this per above. Feb 15 14:24:41 is it safe to have two different things building at once (in separate terminal sessions)? Feb 15 14:25:24 tkp: two builds - yes Feb 15 14:25:29 cool Feb 15 14:25:34 tkp: two runs in one builddir - no Feb 15 14:25:43 ah Feb 15 14:52:33 hmm is there a problem with monotone.openembedded.org? pull was hanging for hours and did not really progress any further Feb 15 14:52:48 and http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/ says: Unable to list branches: mtn-0.32: error: sqlite error: database is locked Feb 15 14:56:02 Let me give it a try Feb 15 14:57:39 Doesnt work for me either Feb 15 14:57:42 mhm Feb 15 14:58:11 It might be a good idea to restart the server. Feb 15 15:00:24 whom should we pester? Feb 15 15:02:45 dont know where the server is Feb 15 15:02:51 but koen and mickey would know Feb 15 15:02:57 koen, Wake up man Feb 15 15:03:02 mickey_away, ... Feb 15 15:03:13 koen: ping Feb 15 15:04:16 RP, ping Feb 15 15:11:29 cu Feb 15 15:23:35 ha, my pull finally worked Feb 15 15:25:20 whazzup pH5 Feb 15 15:25:38 weird stuff is going on Feb 15 15:25:39 mtn: note: branch 'org.openembedded.dev' has multiple heads Feb 15 15:25:40 mtn: note: perhaps consider 'mtn merge Feb 15 15:25:51 is it because I cancelled once during pull? Feb 15 15:28:01 nope Feb 15 15:28:09 probably not at least Feb 15 15:28:10 Jin^eLD: i don't think so... that happens from time to time. Feb 15 15:28:19 try pulling again Feb 15 15:28:27 ok Feb 15 15:28:32 jsut incase someone fixed it Feb 15 15:29:18 Jin^eLD, do you have write access? Feb 15 15:29:22 no Feb 15 15:29:25 ok Feb 15 15:29:33 let me check on a machine here Feb 15 15:31:41 koen: So how do you make sure bash is installed when installing ldd? Feb 15 15:35:19 ok I wiped the directory, pulled again, checked out, updated now it works Feb 15 15:35:36 you didn't neeed to wipe the dir Feb 15 15:35:43 I wanted to be sure :) Feb 15 15:35:47 :) Feb 15 15:36:04 I did not have any custom changes there anyway, I made a setup in the way that everything that I change is in a different directory, configs, packages, etc. Feb 15 15:36:04 basically, there where two choices to update from Feb 15 15:36:11 someone merged the two heads Feb 15 15:36:14 yeah Feb 15 15:36:21 Kristoffer: pong Feb 15 15:54:31 Jin^eLD: this is pretty good reading for when you have some spare time: http://venge.net/monotone/downloads/codecon-2006.pdf Feb 15 15:54:46 thanks, I'll take a look Feb 15 15:54:52 * Jin^eLD downloading Feb 15 15:56:31 109 pages :) that's some reading for way home in the tram :> Feb 15 16:04:18 hmm why wants oe to compile glibc-intermediate ? it breaks on not having __thread .. Feb 15 16:04:48 rob__w: I had that.. there is some setting in the distro config file that causes it Feb 15 16:05:11 hmm, let me figure out if I know which one exactly it was.. Feb 15 16:05:39 iam building openmoko distro . Feb 15 16:06:01 I had it when I did build my own.. I did not try openmoko yet Feb 15 16:06:26 BBPATH="/home/bob/Handhelds/oe/stuff/neo:/home/bob/Handhelds/oe/stuff/openmoko/trunk/oe:/home/bob/Handhelds/oe/stuff/org.openembedded.dev" is what i used Feb 15 16:09:20 rob_w: crap.. I do not remember what it was Feb 15 16:10:35 what i cant stand is : openmoko tells me to is this kinda BBPATH and make sure of the order .. also i use a BBFILES in my local.conf which only points to org.openembedded.org Feb 15 16:13:42 re: mtn being slow: use one of the mtn mirrors Feb 15 16:14:07 wb Feb 15 16:14:11 * koen stabs simulink Feb 15 16:14:14 well it worked out in the end, do not know what it was Feb 15 16:18:34 any idea what may be causing this? mount: Mounting proc on /proc failed: Device or resource busy Feb 15 16:18:47 the system boots up fine and /proc is there, populated Feb 15 16:19:26 but during bootup I always get this error message.. want to clean this up bud could not figure out so far what is causing this Feb 15 16:24:41 koen, part of craplab? Feb 15 16:25:19 will I be doing Koen's homework during FOSDEM? Feb 15 16:28:58 Crofton: yep, part of matlab Feb 15 16:29:22 Crofton: we spent an hour to see if we can do a frequency sweep controlled via an .m file Feb 15 16:29:25 you can't Feb 15 16:32:44 I've actually avoid simulink Feb 15 16:32:49 I can deal with matlab Feb 15 16:35:49 If have have serious matlab questions, go ask in #ossie Feb 15 16:35:59 one of my colleagues is good a matlab Feb 15 16:42:27 Croften|koen: I've been using Matlab for some time, FYI if your not into Simulink check out Octave Feb 15 16:42:28 e2fsprogs-native doesn't seem to build anymore, it complains about not finding fsck: | mv: cannot stat `/home/packet/OpenEmbedded/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/e2fsprogs-native-1.38-r8/image/home/packet/OpenEmbedded/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/fsck': No such file or directory Feb 15 16:43:46 Even if you don't use it it's a great place to pull in open source algorithms from for Matlab if you want to avoid buying toolboxes Feb 15 16:44:52 It's biggest downfall is it's inability to do symbolic matix math Feb 15 17:05:34 koen: do we have a OE latex beamer template? or what settings did you use last year? Feb 15 17:22:55 re Feb 15 17:26:36 wb Feb 15 17:30:47 anyone play around with a mingw32 target in oe? Feb 15 17:31:08 to build for windows systems? Feb 15 17:31:27 yep. naturally not everything would support that target, but.. Feb 15 17:31:35 itd still be useful for stuff that does Feb 15 17:31:41 I would have a use for such a beast Feb 15 17:32:40 morning all Feb 15 17:32:59 hi Dirk Feb 15 17:33:01 kergoth, if you worked on such a thing, I could do some testing Feb 15 17:33:12 hey Marcin Feb 15 17:33:12 i'll probably start on it Feb 15 17:33:35 zecke: I think I used 'marburg' Feb 15 17:33:42 i like having an msys env on my usb stick, nice and compact :) Feb 15 17:34:31 koen: did you change the colors? Feb 15 17:34:39 iirc not Feb 15 17:34:54 but I haven't reinstalled latex(-beamer) properly on my intel mac Feb 15 17:54:16 cu Feb 15 18:07:58 Good evening Feb 15 18:18:54 Package qemu-qop-nogfx-native-0.8.0+svn20070215 is not applying patches correctly. Any known solution? Feb 15 18:20:12 ASSUME_PROVIDED += qemu-native? Feb 15 18:20:56 zecke: So, I need to have a native version of qemu, true? Feb 15 18:21:07 sirfred: if you want to generate locales for libc, yes Feb 15 18:21:24 zecke: Ah, ok. I was wondering why qemu was needed. Feb 15 18:21:25 sirfred: but what is failing to apply? Feb 15 18:21:33 zecke: configure Feb 15 18:21:47 zecke: It seems, that there's a new line beyond STRIP Feb 15 18:21:48 sirfred: why is that date floating anyway? (you probably don't know) Feb 15 18:22:15 zecke: The svn20070215 date? Feb 15 18:22:33 sirfred: yes, I wonder why we don't fixate the date Feb 15 18:23:00 zecke: I have nothing in my local.conf related with that Feb 15 18:23:58 I suppose that erasing the line ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "1" from my local.conf will also be a possible fix. Feb 15 18:24:38 sirfred: that depends on your distribution Feb 15 18:25:24 zecke: I remember to add that line some time ago, trying to generate binary locales. But I didn't know it was related with qemu Feb 15 18:25:28 sirfred: you have a floating srcdate Feb 15 18:26:12 zecke: Shouldn't be that fixated somewhere in my distro configuration? Feb 15 18:26:22 sirfred: probably it should Feb 15 18:26:50 I just wanted to build scummvm, yesterday I got a compiler internal error while trying. Feb 15 18:33:25 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r0b3834dd... 10/ (1 packages/linux/ixp4xx-kernel.inc): ixp4xx-kernel.inc: Fixed a typo (no change to functionality) Feb 15 18:33:29 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r5696d93c... 10/ (1 conf/distro/mokoslug.conf): mokoslug: build nslu2 image (no this can't go in nslu2{b,l}e.conf, cause some distros for NSLU2 build images differently). Feb 15 18:35:24 Still getting that compiler error while building scummvm (internal compiler error: in verify_local_live_at_start, at flow.c:572) Feb 15 18:35:43 Known bug? Feb 15 18:35:44 sirfred: compile with -Os Feb 15 18:35:50 sirfred: to me? no Feb 15 18:36:06 zecke: Thanks, I'm going to try that. Feb 15 18:36:22 sirfred: check the openssl bitbakefiles how to easily filter Feb 15 18:36:28 sirfred: is that a iwmmxt toolchain? Feb 15 18:37:07 zecke: iwmmxt... humm. armv5te-linux afaik Feb 15 18:47:03 stupid question Feb 15 18:48:06 why would the gpesyncd_svn.bb package *insist* on checking out an OLD revision?! (I even put today's date in the bb file as SRCDATE) Feb 15 18:48:28 mccarthy: because it is fixed to a date? Feb 15 18:49:30 zecke|food, it would seem so, but I'll be damned if I can find it! (I will try a grep -r for the date that it uses though ... good thought) Feb 15 18:49:53 ahh Feb 15 18:50:00 damn sane-srcdates.inc Feb 15 18:50:06 whose idea was THAT ;) Feb 15 18:50:46 Setting CXXFLAGS="" scummvm built correctly. Even -Os was giving the same error Feb 15 18:51:03 mccarthy: hello; did you manage to get wifi working? Feb 15 18:51:24 mmp, no :( Feb 15 18:51:59 all the modules loaded without error and dmesg even said something about a USB wireless LAN card, but ifconfig -a never showed anything new Feb 15 18:52:27 ifconfig -a? Feb 15 18:52:36 mccarthy: When/if you will have time, I would like to find out what is wrong... Feb 15 18:52:52 mccarthy: did lsusb show the adapter? Feb 15 18:53:11 mmp, hmmm. that would be hard. I flashed a new image (I still have the old one and the stuff from you, but it is not on my ipaq at the moment) Feb 15 18:53:33 zecke|food, ifconfig -a shows all network adapters, no? Feb 15 18:53:38 yes Feb 15 18:53:45 mccarthy: np; if you will have time and I'll be here, just tell me:) Feb 15 18:53:54 mmp, doh! lsusb would have been smart, eh ... Feb 15 18:54:23 mccarthy: I guess it might be either firmware loading issue or something similar, but that's just a guess... Feb 15 18:54:25 mmp, sure. thanks for all your help so far. Feb 15 18:55:33 mmp, are you the OE maintainer of h5000? Feb 15 18:56:11 mccarthy: No:) I'm just trying to get my h5550 working:) Feb 15 18:58:24 mmp, why don't you use the old familiar images? Feb 15 18:59:16 mccarthy: that's a long story. I need newer and more functional wifi driver, but 0.13 is not available for 2.4.x Feb 15 18:59:17 * mccarthy is trying to build a 2.4-based image using the "unfamiliar" distro that is a bastardized version of the old familiar.conf Feb 15 18:59:37 mmp, ahh. then I am no help to you Feb 15 19:00:08 mccarthy: :-) You are already helping with the wifi. Feb 15 19:01:10 once I either get my unfamiliar image working or I give up again ;) Feb 15 19:01:45 philippe: do you happen to know where to send the lightning talk presentation to? Feb 15 19:02:13 MickeyL: did you see my reply to celf ? Feb 15 19:02:24 zecke|food, thanks for reminding me (in a roundabout way) about the sane-srcdates.inc file Feb 15 19:02:40 MickeyL: Maybe we should discuss on fosdem to raise a fund for oe Feb 15 19:02:50 yeah, might make sense Feb 15 19:03:21 MickeyL: I will take the lead in this but if that is okay with the core team Feb 15 19:03:44 sure, ok w/ me Feb 15 19:04:22 It would make sense to have a central focus for begging for hardware also :) Feb 15 19:04:41 MickeyL: We had quite a lot of offers for hardware Feb 15 19:05:07 yeah, we should canalize this to the needy Feb 15 19:05:22 Maybe we sould have a wiki section for "well supported" hardware Feb 15 19:05:27 MickeyL: a foundation or something would be perfect Feb 15 19:05:42 gerwinin: yeah, we have talked about that on OEDEM, but didn't come to a conclusion. it's tough Feb 15 19:05:44 hey mickeyl Feb 15 19:05:48 cheers koen Feb 15 19:06:01 I would love to beg a PS3 off Tim, but if we can get one for someone with less cash that would be fine with me Feb 15 19:06:31 MickeyL: I think it is a matter of just doing Feb 15 19:06:37 it's not that simple Feb 15 19:06:42 being a registered organization Feb 15 19:06:46 thousands of questions Feb 15 19:06:47 where Feb 15 19:06:51 who'is charge Feb 15 19:06:52 which form Feb 15 19:06:56 legal stuff Feb 15 19:07:02 MickeyL : that is true Feb 15 19:07:27 MickeyL: do you think osdl or some other organisation could help us Feb 15 19:07:36 not osdl Feb 15 19:07:38 no longer Feb 15 19:07:41 since the focus shift Feb 15 19:08:23 MickeyL: I heart about an organisation in holland who is doing those things Feb 15 19:08:45 NLstitch or such? Feb 15 19:09:17 Zecke:Yeah Feb 15 19:10:14 MickeyL: I think we need some good organisation that makes it easier to get hardware, and also easier to send people out Feb 15 19:15:16 Anyone have a idea? I have updated OE with mtn pull/update http://pastebin.ca/357551 Feb 15 19:17:41 goxboxlive: no more using of Opie? Feb 15 19:17:59 goxboxlive: now you want the thrill of the latest OpenMoko love? Feb 15 19:18:05 Hi. Is it ok to ask questions here? Feb 15 19:18:13 zecke: I use also Opie, but as i told you i want have them all working. Feb 15 19:18:14 Arhuaco: sure Feb 15 19:18:20 Thanks :) Feb 15 19:18:51 goxboxlive: well, dates seems to need love? e.g. fixing some DEPENDS (at least it looks like this) Feb 15 19:19:47 I'm having trouble building a custom base-image. It complans about ipkg-native not being available. (I will post the error in pastebin...) Feb 15 19:30:19 hrw|gone: bitbake wasn't ready for release Feb 15 19:30:27 Oh oh. Now everything is being compiled again :) Feb 15 19:33:49 I read you can use assume_provided to avoid building the toolchain when you're changing things. Feb 15 19:38:35 goxboxlive: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=190 Feb 15 19:41:00 koen: yes i saw that, but it seeme like your patch is wrong. The is below ical.h and not on top as in your patch Feb 15 19:41:16 I read that message in the list about a "packaging bug" in bitbake. It means that bitbake package fails to be created, or that I will have trouble using it? Feb 15 19:42:02 03zecke123 07bitbake-1.6 * r758 10/MANIFEST: branches/bitbake-1.6: Update the MANIFEST after the messed up 1.6.4 release Feb 15 19:42:06 Hi all Feb 15 19:42:17 hey Feb 15 19:42:19 hey likewise Feb 15 19:53:23 JustinP: we decided to fork mpd Feb 15 20:18:44 aw hell...who is "we"? Feb 15 20:50:42 cbrake: ping Feb 15 20:51:06 xumbi8: hello Feb 15 20:54:05 cbrake: I was just wondering if you were actively developing that solution you mentioned to flash the cm-x270 with a jffs2 file system Feb 15 20:56:34 xumbi8: yes, that is my highest priority task ATM. Feb 15 20:57:59 xumbi8: Actually my biggest concern is flash the NAND file system in the field -- JFFS2 is secondary. Feb 15 21:05:16 xumbi8: currently working on getting a small rootfs into the NOR flash that will be used to boot/program the NAND. Figuring out how to program the NAND comes next. Feb 15 21:07:25 brake: ok thanks, that's good to know Feb 15 21:23:22 Now the question. Does this ring a bell? ==> http://pastebin.com/881690 Feb 15 21:23:54 # Feb 15 21:23:55 | Collected errors: Feb 15 21:23:55 # Feb 15 21:23:55 | Cannot find package ipkg-native. Feb 15 21:23:55 # Feb 15 21:23:56 | Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' Feb 15 21:23:58 # Feb 15 21:24:00 | Cannot find package ipkg-utils-native. Feb 15 21:24:02 # Feb 15 21:24:04 | Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' Feb 15 21:24:05 # Feb 15 21:24:08 | Cannot find package fakeroot-native. Feb 15 21:24:10 ... Feb 15 21:26:41 Arhuaco: Wrong channel Feb 15 21:26:53 Ah, I see! Feb 15 21:26:54 Sorry. Feb 15 21:26:58 Where can I ask? Feb 15 21:27:06 Mailing list? Feb 15 21:27:15 Laibsch: Or is this from an OE run? Feb 15 21:27:21 Yes :) Feb 15 21:27:31 I thought at first this was the output an the machine itself. Feb 15 21:27:38 Well, then it is on-topic. Feb 15 21:27:44 Ah, ok. Feb 15 21:27:44 Sorry about the confusion. Feb 15 21:28:01 Last step in trying to create an image? Feb 15 21:28:02 Yes, I'm trying to build for an ARM machine, and I'm getting this error in the last step. Feb 15 21:28:03 Yes. Feb 15 21:28:28 RP: ah thanks for the hint (to the examples) Feb 15 21:28:41 I bought a 'Sharp Zaurus SL-5000', the software on it seems to be pretty old... is there a way to update it in a secure way? Feb 15 21:29:22 Geniack: secure yes, but I don't know if there is any recent Sl5000d image Feb 15 21:29:53 Mmh, SL-5000 isnt supported anymore, i saw at the sharps webpage Feb 15 21:30:08 what can i do to use this device anyway? Feb 15 21:30:27 well, OE + custom packages Feb 15 21:30:51 and I suspect one of the custom packages breaks Feb 15 21:31:17 * koen wonders what image would rdepend on -native Feb 15 21:31:32 ick Feb 15 21:32:14 hey kergoth Feb 15 21:32:31 koen: you mean me by breaking custom packages? Feb 15 21:32:49 Geniack: yes Feb 15 21:33:07 koen: does it mean i have to keep that crap on that device? Feb 15 21:33:19 * CosmicPenguin grumbles at gcc-cross-sdk Feb 15 21:33:23 Geniack: sorry, I meant Arhuaco Feb 15 21:33:29 * koen should pay a bit more attention Feb 15 21:33:44 CosmicPenguin: are you attending ELC2007? Feb 15 21:33:46 koen: can you help me anyways? Feb 15 21:34:37 koen: maybe Feb 15 21:36:04 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r91f3ffc1... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): openmoko-dates: add patch to remove bogus include Feb 15 21:36:16 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r9977b565... 10/ (1 classes/autotools.bbclass): autotools.bbclass: merge in patch from openmoko to get intltool working for some packages Feb 15 21:36:22 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r17456d83... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): openmoko-dates: merge in changes from openmoko.svn and fix packaging Feb 15 21:37:47 koen: hi koen Feb 15 21:38:11 hey likewise Feb 15 21:41:43 koen, this RDEPENDS might be wrong. Trying without it. I copied it from an example that might be wrong. http://pastebin.ca/357756 Feb 15 21:47:38 stefan_schmidt: hey, http://linuxtogo.org/~mickeyl/tools/oe-iwmmxt.tar.bz2 contains a mini OE that can create iwmmxt toolchains for the moto ezx device Feb 15 21:48:01 xgcc: /user/build/geode-tmp/work/x86_64-linux/gcc-cross-sdk-4.1.1-r9/gcc-4.1.1/build.x86_64-linux.i586-linux/./gcc/specs: Invalid argument Feb 15 21:48:03 ehhh...? Feb 15 21:48:31 zecke: hi, why? Feb 15 21:48:41 CosmicPenguin: I rebuilt gcc+glibc 3 times today, just to find out all I needed was -lgcc_eh Feb 15 21:49:13 stefan_schmidt: up to now, I don't think we have a toolchain in OE suitable for the EZX device Feb 15 21:49:43 zecke: ah, you mean motorola compatible. Feb 15 21:50:22 stefan_schmidt: AFAIK it is a collection of public iwmmxt patches. More than these that can be found in the crossdev stuff Feb 15 21:51:07 zecke: ok, thanks. I add this to the wiki for people like using moto compatible toolchain Feb 15 22:18:59 hi rwhitby Feb 15 22:19:14 morning all Feb 15 22:19:55 kergoth: you here? Feb 15 22:20:23 rwhitby: thanks for the openslug packages :) Feb 15 22:20:38 btw I talked to eno and he helped us with optware Feb 15 22:20:39 hi Feb 15 22:20:43 Jin^eLD: which are you using? Feb 15 22:20:55 mickeyl: somewhat. in green hills training atm Feb 15 22:21:00 not really paying much attention though :P Feb 15 22:21:04 CoreDump|home: how'd the altboot hacking go overnight? Feb 15 22:21:12 rwhitby: none :) I do not have any hardware that runs openslug, but you added mediatomb :> Feb 15 22:21:35 rwhitby: I went to work a bit after you left and just came back ;) Feb 15 22:21:38 kergoth: cheers buddy. quick question... do you remember whom i need to contact for getting CIAbot to be aware of a new project? was that scanline? or is there another way? Feb 15 22:21:40 Jin^eLD: yep, it's in all the nslu2-linux distros now :-) Feb 15 22:21:55 mickeyl: it is scanline, but i'm pretty sure he set up a web based interface for manipulating cia's rulesets Feb 15 22:22:03 not sure what the url would be, but check the cia.navi.cx site Feb 15 22:22:04 mickeyl: scanline, but the details should be on the website as well Feb 15 22:22:13 CoreDump|home: heh - I've just got to work :-) Feb 15 22:22:14 ok, will check that site then, thanks Feb 15 22:22:43 rwhitby: timezone crazyness =D Feb 15 22:25:34 kergoth, how much longer are you in trainging? Feb 15 22:25:47 its all this week, 40 hours in total Feb 15 22:26:07 you'll be a guru Feb 15 22:26:13 kergoth: new job, or just training? Feb 15 22:26:18 2 days was just spent on MULTI Feb 15 22:26:22 bleh Feb 15 22:26:27 heh Feb 15 22:26:36 they love to flog that at trade shows Feb 15 22:26:37 at the same company, they're sending us out to do work at another company Feb 15 22:26:40 to the managers :) Feb 15 22:26:47 like a subcontractor 3 times removed or something now Feb 15 22:28:45 kergoth, as you may have noticed, I am very interested in what you end up doing Feb 15 22:29:37 indeed i noticed, i'll keep ya in the loop, though i may end up bolting as soon as i find something i like better (read: linux dev env, linux device, better work environment .. so who knows how long itll take to find htat :P) Feb 15 22:34:42 yeah Feb 15 22:46:30 How come that I can build task-base, but when I build opie-image, all of the sudden not all dependencies are satisfied: http://rafb.net/p/I4wOB238.html Feb 15 22:48:35 good night:) Feb 15 22:51:33 perhaps a mixup in PACKAGE_ARCH ? Feb 15 23:31:35 nite all, sweet dreams Feb 15 23:44:06 mickey|zzZZzz: Were you referring to me? Feb 15 23:44:35 I did not understand that comment. Feb 15 23:44:52 brb (need to log out for a sec) Feb 16 00:39:26 if [ "${USE_VT}" == "1" ]; then Feb 16 00:39:32 * CosmicPenguin wags his finger at somebody **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 16 02:59:57 2007