**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 26 02:59:59 2007 Feb 26 03:17:02 morning * Feb 26 06:12:57 Good morning! Feb 26 06:13:01 Anybody awake yet? Feb 26 06:14:19 I was wondering how to disable the QA checks to be fatal. There are just too many right now. If you want to get something compiled and it breaks on every package. It also invalidates the cache which slows things down even further. Feb 26 06:15:16 Laibsch: Turn off insane.bb? Feb 26 06:16:08 NAbyss: Glad you are awake. Feb 26 06:16:25 Question is: Where is it turned on? Feb 26 06:17:17 I think if you just remove org.xxxx/.../insane.bb, that should fix it Feb 26 06:17:30 Never tried it myself though Feb 26 06:18:45 Hm, that sounds hackish but I'll try until somebody with a clean solution wakes. Feb 26 06:18:57 NAbyss: Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Feb 26 06:20:04 np Feb 26 06:20:05 Laibsch, clean solution: remove "insane" from angstrom.inc Feb 26 06:20:21 psokolovsky: Thanks. Feb 26 06:22:45 Well, turns out, I was insane enough to add this to my site.conf ;-) Feb 26 06:22:53 Which is why I also saw this with openzaurus. Feb 26 07:52:54 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r63387ec4... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ftpd-topfield: Updated to version 0.7.1 Feb 26 07:52:58 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r867e41ce... 10/ (1 packages/ftpd-topfield/ftpd-topfield_0.7.1.bb): ftpd-topfield: usb patch no longer required Feb 26 07:53:02 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * ra3c39ebb... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom-2007.1.conf: Set PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-libc-headers to 2.6.18 for ixp4xx Feb 26 08:02:39 What's up with oe.org? High load on the web server? Feb 26 08:45:46 morning all Feb 26 08:56:49 Good morning, Dirk! Feb 26 08:57:35 I know "?=" is a weak assignment. What is "=?", is that semantically correct, after all? Feb 26 09:01:47 morning all Feb 26 09:06:50 hi koen|away et al Feb 26 09:07:31 looking for info on http://en.opensuse.org/Icecream with bitbake + debian if anyone can assist Feb 26 09:08:30 mzb: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/IceCC Feb 26 09:08:51 Sleep_Walker: heh, thx Feb 26 09:08:51 ;) Feb 26 09:09:17 Laibsch: I'm not sure =? is a valid operator... Feb 26 09:09:17 (apart from the dns probs atm;) Feb 26 09:10:22 should I care about errors like this "ERROR: QA issue: libSDL.la failed sanity test (reference to workdir or installed)"? I see no doc about it :/ Feb 26 09:12:00 Sleep_Walker: not sure but try touching conf/sanity.conf Feb 26 09:13:38 mzb: I don't think it's there, but ok, I'll try check Feb 26 09:13:47 hi Richard, Laibsch Feb 26 09:14:34 Sleep_Walker: touch it the file ... AFAIK that forces bitbake to ignore sanity checks Feb 26 09:14:43 mzb: That won't help Feb 26 09:14:45 s/it// Feb 26 09:14:55 RP: ok, I'm not really sure Feb 26 09:15:15 mzb: Telling people to touch that file is a really bad idea anyway ;-) Feb 26 09:15:20 mzb: well, in fact, if it is warning, I can search for what it means instead of override :) Feb 26 09:15:24 k, np Feb 26 09:15:28 btw: gday RP ;) Feb 26 09:15:57 Sleep_Walker: Angstrom recently added some warning about problems with some files. These problems have been there a while just not mentioned. We've started mentioning them in the hope people will fix them Feb 26 09:16:15 Sleep_Walker: The checks are in insane.bbclass Feb 26 09:16:24 Sleep_Walker: I'm not able to find the link you referenced Feb 26 09:17:06 any suggestions? Feb 26 09:17:13 RP: sure, good step, but there is almost no doc, or I wasn't help to find Feb 26 09:17:17 mzb: err? Feb 26 09:17:46 Sleep_Walker: Read insane.bbclass. Its new so its not so well documented. There was a mail about it to the openembedded mailing list Feb 26 09:18:20 RP: I'm quite new to OE and I'm not in mailing list yet :) Feb 26 09:18:31 RP: thank you, I'll try to read through Feb 26 09:18:37 might have it now ... slow to load ... might just be dns Feb 26 09:18:54 mzb: I think so... or it's down for a while Feb 26 09:19:05 keep getting warning about relocation to hh.org Feb 26 09:19:10 mzb: I use icecc to, so I found it there Feb 26 09:19:19 Sleep_Walker: Those warnings can safely be ignored since the problems have been there a long time. We just want to clean up things we know are broken in the long run Feb 26 09:19:33 right .. do you use debian? Feb 26 09:19:43 mzb: Gentoo Feb 26 09:20:33 I've compiled icecc from both source and svn but still getting the same errors ... which leads me to the conclusion that I've got no idea what I'm doing (as usual;) Feb 26 09:20:38 RP: ok, so I'll read when I have more time :) Feb 26 09:20:55 mzb: what happened? Feb 26 09:21:01 still trying to load wiki page Feb 26 09:21:44 k, trying to compile icecc as a test case: $ export CC=icecc CXX=icecc; make -f Makefile.cvs && ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/share/icecream && make Feb 26 09:23:14 mzb: my installation of icecc was "emerge icecream" Feb 26 09:23:31 (after umnasking unstable packages :) Feb 26 09:23:53 end result is a lot of errors Feb 26 09:24:21 mzb: and simple "./configure && make && make install" doesn't work? Feb 26 09:24:47 yes it does Feb 26 09:25:24 I have it all installed, currently trying debian etch version (on sarge ... modified a couple of things) Feb 26 09:25:29 but Feb 26 09:25:47 still same errors Feb 26 09:25:50 $ set | egrep "ICE|CC|CXX" Feb 26 09:25:50 CC=icecc Feb 26 09:25:50 CXX=icecc Feb 26 09:25:50 ICECC_VERSION=/home/marcus/src/78904e0753c91367ff4a288fd9454899.tar.gz Feb 26 09:26:15 btw: this is a xen-based vm Feb 26 09:26:36 mzb: I have no idea without looking at it, sorry Feb 26 09:26:54 what would you like to see to be able to advise? Feb 26 09:27:06 got a pastebin of preference? Feb 26 09:27:51 mzb: In fact - I'm a bit hungry now (I'll have some breakfast) and I have to code my credit work, so I'm rather busy... Feb 26 09:28:33 mzb: sorry... Feb 26 09:28:42 k, np Feb 26 09:28:48 thx for help so far Feb 26 09:29:11 (btw page has finally loaded .. so thx for link;) Feb 26 09:29:22 hi Feb 26 09:29:36 and special kiss to those I met at FOSDEM ;) Feb 26 09:31:36 bbl Feb 26 09:36:47 mzb : read the OE wiki about icecc. But before you try to use icecc with OE make sure that icecc works in a "standard" build enviroment i.e do a test build with a kernel or some non-OE application Feb 26 09:37:32 mzb : most of the problems come from the fact that icecc was not installed/working properly Feb 26 09:38:26 RP: Hi ! How was FOSDEM ? Feb 26 09:40:09 Ifaistos: GREAT ;) Feb 26 09:40:21 but the rooms were so small ;) Feb 26 09:40:31 in particular for openmoko presentation Feb 26 09:51:50 obergix[work] : will they post the videos like last year ? Feb 26 09:53:10 Ifaistos: dunno... I'm not involved with the volunteer team of FOSDEM :( Feb 26 09:55:03 Ifaistos: thx, yes I've been trying to build icecc itself as a test ... without bitbake ... I can build the source with plain gcc but not with icecc Feb 26 09:55:42 I'm assuming it's a config problem, but I'm not sure how to find out what the problem is Feb 26 09:56:19 mzb : make sure that all machines have the same icecc version Feb 26 09:56:41 I compiled from source on both Feb 26 09:56:58 (initially) Feb 26 09:57:26 mzb : in the icecc.conf set ICECC_NETNAME="some-name" Feb 26 09:57:37 where some-name is the same on both machines Feb 26 09:57:57 yes, did that, can watch the logs Feb 26 09:58:19 (I have the 2nd daemon disabled atm for debug) Feb 26 09:59:00 made a custom env too. btw this is using gcc 3.3.5 Feb 26 09:59:18 (debian sarge) Feb 26 09:59:58 my compile cluster run debain etch Feb 26 10:00:59 hmm ... maybe I should try a test vm using etch Feb 26 10:01:35 (everything else uses etch ... just haven't been brave enough to update the bitbaker;) Feb 26 10:02:23 fyi: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net Feb 26 10:03:37 former network diag (ie. not current): http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-gallery2.php?g2_itemId=2520& Feb 26 10:05:55 Ifaistos: There's some OpenMoko video here: http://hentges.net/tmp/FOSDEM/ Feb 26 10:06:20 Same movie, two sizes. I couldn't get the sound working using vlc though Feb 26 10:09:49 *sorry about the bandwidth ... it's busy doing other things;) Feb 26 10:10:47 brb5 Feb 26 10:32:23 Ifaistos: made a snapshot of sarge disk ... trying dist-upgrade to etch to see how I go Feb 26 10:34:19 oopd Feb 26 10:34:46 s/oops Feb 26 10:35:28 hi Feb 26 10:36:27 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r0cc48460... 10/ (1 conf/machine/include/collie-2.4.conf): conf/machine/include/collie-2.4.conf: Correct Typo. Fixes 1902. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 26 11:27:21 2007 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 26 11:31:17 2007 Feb 26 11:36:51 ifaistos: will leave etch dist-upgrade running. Thx for the suggestion Feb 26 11:36:56 gnite Feb 26 11:37:03 (all) Feb 26 11:42:23 is it bitbake bug? http://disk.jabbim.cz/sleep.walker@njs.netlab.cz/chyba Feb 26 11:42:51 Ifaistos: http://ftp.belnet.be/mirrors/FOSDEM/2007/ may be of interest to you... Feb 26 11:58:50 obergix[work] : thanks Feb 26 11:59:56 OpenMoko fosdem talk is now on video.google.com (search for "openmoko") Feb 26 12:00:22 rwhitby: even better then ;) Feb 26 12:04:37 too bad the slides aren't readable :( Feb 26 12:07:19 Hello Feb 26 12:07:39 I'm having a problem building gconf-dbus-2.10.0+svn20070226 Feb 26 12:08:05 It says it needs glib-2.0, and that glib-2.0.pc cannot be found Feb 26 12:08:26 But, the file exists in the standard PKG_CONFIG_PATH Feb 26 12:08:57 It is in both my staging/sh3-linux and staging/i686-linux dirs Feb 26 12:09:28 Should I just go shoot the guy that made autoconf, or can anyone help me? Feb 26 12:27:13 Oh crap, I have to rebuild all the dependancies Feb 26 12:28:47 B_Lizzard: what was the problem? Feb 26 12:34:16 Ah, I needed to rebuild glib-2.0 and all of it's deps Feb 26 12:34:31 Bloody build system Feb 26 12:34:36 :/ Feb 26 12:38:32 Can someone of the devs please include the patch from bugreport 1873? Feb 26 12:41:31 I've noticed that after my latest "mtn update", that bitbake puts packages in folders like "deploy/ipk/sh3" Feb 26 12:41:35 Is that right? Feb 26 12:41:49 Normally, it puts them in deploy/ipk Feb 26 12:49:12 hi all Feb 26 12:53:19 koen|train: hi Feb 26 12:53:33 koen|train. is fosdem over? Feb 26 12:53:39 B_Lizzard : yes its correct. there was a change in the way packages are stored in ipk dir to better handle multimachine builds Feb 26 12:54:01 mr_nice: yes, it ended at 18:00 yesterday Feb 26 12:54:13 Ok, thanks a lot, Ifaistos Feb 26 12:54:23 I hope that won't break things, though? Feb 26 12:54:38 Like "opie-image" or whatever Feb 26 12:55:06 B_Lizzard : as far i have tested it works ok Feb 26 12:55:15 Thanks a lot, dude Feb 26 12:55:22 B_Lizzard : x86, and ppc that is Feb 26 12:55:33 B_Lizzard: it has backward compat builtin Feb 26 12:56:00 I think I'll need that, now that you say it, seeing that I'll have to build feeds for SH3 and ARM Feb 26 12:56:05 Great idea, dudes Feb 26 12:58:37 koen|train : Got the soft-fp problem solved. now glibc 2.5 compiles ok. There are patches for gcc and glibc. should i post them on the bug tracker for review or push them to the rep ? Feb 26 12:59:23 koen|train : The patches are ppc specific with URI_append_powerpc Feb 26 12:59:35 Ifaistos: either option is fine by me Feb 26 13:00:26 still the same answer :) Feb 26 13:01:51 koen|train : i'll take the "safe" way. post them on the bug tracker for comments and incorporate them during next "bug hunting weekend" Feb 26 13:02:04 ok Feb 26 13:09:33 hi there: since my last OE tree update, using angstrom, when the kernel has freed its init memory, nothing happens. I've tried to add init=/some app argument but it's still the same. However, the kernel iooks fine, I can ping it. Any ideas ? Feb 26 13:16:53 vlo: EABI/OABI issue? Feb 26 13:18:11 that was some bloody netsplit I caused there Feb 26 13:20:18 How did you "cause" it? Feb 26 13:22:25 You want me to cause another one? Feb 26 13:23:31 I thought so Feb 26 13:23:45 D: Feb 26 13:38:43 does anynone know if image-pivotboot is actually working ? Feb 26 14:04:04 hi ljp Feb 26 14:39:12 Hello everybody :) Feb 26 14:39:41 Was there any news from sunday fosdem ? Feb 26 14:53:59 hello Feb 26 14:54:09 hi Feb 26 14:55:48 THE LATEST UPDATE BROKE MY DAMN TSLIB, THE DEVICE IS THERE, TSLIB_TSDEVICE IS THERE BUT GODDAMN TSLIB SAYS THAT "DEVICE IS NOT VALID". NOT VALID MY ASS. ALSO, REMOVING ABIWORD 2.4.6 SOMEHOW MAKES XCURSOR-TRANSPARENT-THEME TO NOT WORK. WHAT THE HELL IS ON WITH THAT. I JUST CAME HERE TO TELL YOU ALL THIS BECAUSE I'M VERY MAD AAAAAAAAAAA I NEED TO PUNCH SOMETHING Feb 26 14:56:28 meet B_Lizzard, one of jlime.com developers Feb 26 14:56:28 yay !! Feb 26 14:56:42 There, I feel better Feb 26 14:56:54 B_Lizzard: please just don't split the net again ;) Feb 26 14:56:55 re Feb 26 14:56:56 I bett you feel better now B_Lizzard Feb 26 14:57:25 I promise I will not delete the internet like last time Feb 26 14:58:09 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r47a9bf96... 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): zd1211: Upstream upgrade to -r85. Fixes problem in recent kernels Feb 26 14:59:08 so get Fixing B_Lizzard or dump OE and go Debian LOL Feb 26 14:59:59 Don't even get me started, I've been trying to get Abiword 1.0.7 to work for a month now, so you don't know what I've been through Feb 26 14:59:59 http://www.linux-sh.org/shwiki/FrontPage ;) Feb 26 15:00:01 don't tempt him Feb 26 15:00:36 I've been through all 20 word-processors, and only the one that is extremely slow works Feb 26 15:00:43 Abiword 2.4.6 Feb 26 15:00:57 I could be ranting on for days :) Feb 26 15:01:47 someone throw him a towel Feb 26 15:03:42 And what the hell is that about removing abiword 2.4.6 stops xcursor-transparent-theme from being used Feb 26 15:04:01 Are computers crazy, or what? Feb 26 15:04:06 Also, motif Feb 26 15:04:28 Did they distribute free crack with motif, or what? Feb 26 15:04:43 i am just glad i am a user only Feb 26 15:05:26 Keep the crack and throw in the towel LOL Feb 26 15:07:27 I'll just shut up now Feb 26 15:07:34 :) Feb 26 15:33:06 03jeremy.laine 07org.oe.dev * r0e5365c3... 10/ (1 packages/ezx/opentapi/opentapi.init): opentapi: fix typos in initscrip Feb 26 15:34:33 hey koen, back already? Feb 26 15:35:02 Koen: Had a good trip ? Feb 26 15:35:23 Jin^eLD: yes, back already Feb 26 15:35:29 gerwinin: yes, and you? Feb 26 15:35:38 Koen: Yes Feb 26 15:35:56 Koen: Can I get a login for the wiki so I can edit it ? Feb 26 15:36:22 sure Feb 26 15:36:47 (you don't actually need a login, but I can give you one) Feb 26 15:38:09 gerwinin: account details are in you mailbox Feb 26 15:40:09 Koen: thanks ! Feb 26 15:53:32 http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/02/26/bossa-conference-sdk-matters/ Feb 26 15:55:42 hrw|gone: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/403544298/ Feb 26 15:58:44 Koen: I will contact knut tomorrow about the conferences and stuff Feb 26 15:58:55 Koen: I will edit conference wiki as well Feb 26 15:59:13 Koen: I will write a short piece about fosdem as well Feb 26 15:59:43 cool Feb 26 15:59:47 many thanks Feb 26 16:15:20 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r712cbf18... 10/ (1 packages/ezx/opentapi_svn.bb): opentapi: bump PR for the last change Feb 26 16:52:29 morning Feb 26 16:52:53 hey kergoth Feb 26 16:53:24 morning Feb 26 16:53:37 hey XorA ! Feb 26 17:10:13 g'day kergoth Feb 26 17:17:53 hi Jin^eLD Feb 26 17:18:04 Jin^eLD: are you there ? Feb 26 17:18:39 hey nm_ Feb 26 17:20:10 Jin^eLD: my OE still can not recompile a specify package, if i use -c rebuild it will clean, re-fetching ... Feb 26 17:20:35 well, that's exactly what rebuild does Feb 26 17:20:51 I think the hint we got last time was to use -c configure and -c compile Feb 26 17:20:52 Jin^eLD: how do you recompile w/ bitbake after modified source in tmp// Feb 26 17:21:03 Jin^eLD: itnot works Feb 26 17:21:07 I did not try it yet Feb 26 17:21:13 I will probably try that today or tomorrow Feb 26 17:22:50 koen: thx Feb 26 17:22:51 re Feb 26 17:23:02 wb Feb 26 17:23:03 hrw: hi Feb 26 17:23:14 hrw: do you have some time for me? Feb 26 17:23:23 I am still alive and just wanted to say that it was really nice to be on FOSDEM. Feb 26 17:23:27 mr_nice|sfa3: no Feb 26 17:23:30 Jin^eLD: pls see my log http://vnoss.net/p/335 Feb 26 17:23:35 hrw: wb Feb 26 17:23:37 mr_nice|sfa3: I am going out in a minute Feb 26 17:23:54 hrw. maybee tomorrow? Feb 26 17:23:57 hi NAbyss, Feb 26 17:24:05 NAbyss: are you there ? Feb 26 17:24:51 mr_nice|sfa3: ok Feb 26 17:24:53 nm_: btw, why are you using bitbake from the unstable branch? Feb 26 17:25:03 hrw: :) thx Feb 26 17:25:34 nm_: to recompile modified source in tmp, you can run scripts in temp: tmp/work/..../package/temp/run.do_compile Feb 26 17:25:42 ~lart flickr for lack of prev/next buttons Feb 26 17:25:42 * ibot wallops flickr with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long for lack of prev/next buttons Feb 26 17:25:56 Jin^eLD: only a testing ... :-) Feb 26 17:26:11 cbrake: oh, okie Feb 26 17:26:14 cbrake: we got a hint to use -c compile, I did not know those scripts could actually be run :) thx for the hint Feb 26 17:26:48 Jin^eLD: yeah, its one of the best kept secrets to OE :-) Feb 26 17:26:52 :))) Feb 26 17:26:59 LoLz Feb 26 17:27:14 hi Feb 26 17:27:22 I somehow always thought that was all realated to log outputs Feb 26 17:27:48 cbrake: but ok, lets assume - I point workdir to an my local working copy Feb 26 17:27:52 so I want to skip the fetch stage Feb 26 17:28:04 Jin^eLD: some other really cool things is you can do svn ops right from source in work/.../package -- this is handy for development. Feb 26 17:28:04 could I use -c compile? Feb 26 17:28:24 well thats exactly what I am trying to figure out - developing stuff with the help of OE Feb 26 17:28:27 cbrake: in my tmp/.../temp i dont' have any run.do* file , how do i re-generate these files ? Feb 26 17:28:55 Jin^eLD: I never point workdir to a non standard place. I just set the OE recipe to check source our of my local svn repo. Feb 26 17:29:11 Jin^eLD: and then do all my dev right in the tmp directory. Feb 26 17:29:19 Jin^eLD: i think so, but i never get it work before ... Feb 26 17:29:36 nm_: bitbake once, and everything should be there. Feb 26 17:30:01 wow! cbrake!! Feb 26 17:30:04 I did not know that Feb 26 17:30:13 this really rocks! ha Feb 26 17:30:43 thanks for the hint Feb 26 17:30:49 Jin^eLD: another really useful thing is quilt is already set up when building packages in the tmp/ directory. So if you need to refresh a patch or add a new on, just go to the build dir in tmp and start doing quilt ops. When you are done, copy the patches to your bitbake recipe. Feb 26 17:31:13 I am not so familiar with quilt yet Feb 26 17:31:17 have to take a closer look Feb 26 17:31:44 Jin^eLD: its a good thing to know -- especially because any changes to standard packages in OE need to be managed as patch files. Feb 26 17:31:54 cbrake: assuming oyu work in your workdir, how do you build the stuff to test your changes? Feb 26 17:32:02 Jin^eLD: quilt makes creating/managing patch files a lot less paintful. Feb 26 17:32:15 ok I see, I'll take a lok Feb 26 17:32:32 Jin^eLD: I cd tmp/work/.../package/build_dir/ Feb 26 17:32:35 Jin^eLD: do development Feb 26 17:32:45 Jin^eLD: ../temp/run.do_compile... to build Feb 26 17:32:51 how do you build during development process? aha.. Feb 26 17:32:58 so you just run the compile script each time Feb 26 17:33:02 Jin^eLD: yup Feb 26 17:33:04 without incoking bitbake directly Feb 26 17:33:05 ok I see Feb 26 17:33:07 Jin^eLD: right Feb 26 17:33:15 I'll try that, thats really cool Feb 26 17:33:15 Jin^eLD: or you can modify the build script if needed. Feb 26 17:33:23 cu Feb 26 17:33:33 cbrake: nice hint :-D Feb 26 17:33:34 I was asking arount, trying to figure out the best way to develop using OE Feb 26 17:33:40 s/arount/around/g Feb 26 17:33:44 Jin^eLD: if you add files, you can run "autoreconf -i" and then ../temp/run.do_configure.... Feb 26 17:33:54 thats really cool Feb 26 17:34:01 exactly what I was looking for :> Feb 26 17:35:47 Anyone know what this is? http://pastebin.ca/373274 ? I am trying to build gpephone-image but it wouldnt build. Has anyone managed to build a image yet? (angstrom, .org.oe.dev, htcuniversal) . Feb 26 17:38:06 hi Feb 26 17:38:31 is monotone.oe.org down? i can't reach it Feb 26 17:38:44 so use a mirror Feb 26 17:40:01 i known, but maybe the people behind it aren't aware of the problem, so i ask in the channel in the first place :) Feb 26 17:43:06 anyone willing to help me get oe set up? Feb 26 17:43:10 i got so far: http://rafb.net/p/D7O7gB60.html Feb 26 17:44:31 i have little clue where to search for an error.. Feb 26 18:11:38 pH5: what version of bitbake? Feb 26 18:11:46 pht_: what version of bitbake Feb 26 18:14:01 re Feb 26 18:14:48 yo zecke Feb 26 18:15:23 XorA: hey Feb 26 18:15:31 I'm so happy to be home... Feb 26 18:17:23 " checking for BLUEZ... Package bluez was not found in the pkg-config search path." Feb 26 18:17:33 Kristoffer: read the mailinglist Feb 26 18:17:40 :) Feb 26 18:20:58 Hi Feb 26 18:21:08 koen: http://www-id.imag.fr/~nussbaum/fosdem07-auttest.pdf slide 16 Feb 26 18:21:14 Where can I find a description of the device_table files? Feb 26 18:22:16 zecke: cute Feb 26 18:24:53 XorA: BitBake Build Tool Core version 1.6.6, bitbake version 1.6.6 Feb 26 18:25:33 pht_: no idea then sorry Feb 26 18:26:00 zecke, XorA: did someone already remove the broken package-rm-dir code? Feb 26 18:26:21 koen: I don't know Feb 26 18:26:28 It's name type access-rights something something major minor and then some iteration rules, right? Feb 26 18:26:37 XorA: no idea where to look? Feb 26 18:27:19 Ah, uid and gid are the 4th and 5th field, I presume Feb 26 18:27:23 title(sprintf(’sin(2*pi*%d*x)’, fstep)); Feb 26 18:27:31 drat, wrong window Feb 26 18:27:36 * koen stabs crashlab Feb 26 18:31:36 hi all Feb 26 18:31:55 hi florian_ Feb 26 18:32:20 koen: http://www.qtopia.net/downloads/greenphone/rootfs/linux-2.4.19-rmk7-pxa2-greenphone.tar.bz2 Feb 26 18:32:35 evening Feb 26 18:32:47 zecke: I talked to long about the kernel this morning Feb 26 18:33:08 zecke: MDoC flash sucks Feb 26 18:33:31 zecke: 2.4 /me shudder :) Feb 26 18:33:35 ./quit Feb 26 18:33:36 hey Skyhusker Feb 26 18:33:55 stefan_schmidt: no peoples-republic-linux-1.0 Feb 26 18:34:08 stefan_schmidt: so you guys returned safely? Feb 26 18:34:19 hi Chocky Feb 26 18:34:28 here I am again, working on OE Feb 26 18:34:32 zecke: yes, much rain, but faster as expected anyway. Feb 26 18:34:52 * stefan_schmidt was in bed at 5 am Feb 26 18:34:54 zecke: Yeah Feb 26 18:34:59 I slept like a baby Feb 26 18:35:06 it's changed a bunch since 2004 Feb 26 18:35:38 zecke: Do you know what the last three entries in files/device_table mean? Feb 26 18:36:01 Something along the way startminor, increment, iterations? Feb 26 18:36:19 alphaone: not without looking at that file Feb 26 18:38:08 zecke: Okay Feb 26 18:38:24 * alphaone goes reading the source Feb 26 18:38:49 Zecke: Great to see everybody ! Feb 26 18:39:06 yeah meeting each other was fun Feb 26 18:39:20 finally I can put a face to your name :) Feb 26 18:39:29 Zecke: Yes Feb 26 18:40:12 Zecke:it was awesome met so many cool people ! It also makes me feel sad because there are not so many cool oss people in my area Feb 26 18:40:21 koen: so you had a look at the code? Feb 26 18:40:31 zecke: code? Feb 26 18:40:38 zecke: MDoC doesn't have code.... Feb 26 18:40:55 gerwinin: hehe, well Eindhoven is not bad. But you could move to Braunschweig next to the EZX guys Feb 26 18:41:17 koen: peoples-republic-linux 1.0 (2.4.18-rmkX-pxaY-greenphone) Feb 26 18:41:59 * zecke counts the '#if 0' in omega.c Feb 26 18:42:02 * koen starts OpenChina Feb 26 18:42:31 gerwinin: check the comment: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/400714254/ :) Feb 26 18:43:20 * stefan_schmidt fetches the code to have something to laugh tonight Feb 26 18:46:17 zecke: the next commit is for the greenphone :) Feb 26 18:46:33 koen: hmm, poser Feb 26 18:46:40 koen: what did you do? added the kernel? Feb 26 18:47:31 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r7ecf0e32... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1-legacy.conf): angstrom legacy: add a skeleton for building angstrom for devices that require legacy software (e.g. kernel 2.4) Feb 26 18:47:41 hehe Feb 26 18:47:52 lol Feb 26 18:47:53 koen: so can I build legacy uclibc? Feb 26 18:47:56 :-) Feb 26 18:48:05 hello fooks Feb 26 18:48:13 hey likewise Feb 26 18:48:21 how was sunday for you guys? Feb 26 18:48:47 zecke: pb_ added a safe path join thing, do you want to fix glibc? Feb 26 18:49:27 koen: XorA already recognized the patch, basicly we should replace all os.path.join with that function Feb 26 18:50:47 ah, didn't know that Feb 26 18:50:55 * koen is a bit slow and behind Feb 26 18:51:51 koen: we think that most cases of os.path.join want to do: var + separator + othervar Feb 26 18:52:38 * chouimat|away is away: food Feb 26 18:54:00 gerwinin: could you update http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/ProjectDevices where appropriate? Feb 26 18:56:07 hrw|gone added something to the #openzaurus topic about there not being another release if there aren't more devs. I'm interested in becoming a dev, or at least helping out, but I'm not very good. Where do I start? Feb 26 18:56:27 I'm downloading OE.mtn.bz2 right now Feb 26 18:59:35 any way to make supertux run on 320x480 ? Feb 26 18:59:47 XorA: seems i was missing something in local.conf. i used directly local.conf.openzaurus-3.5.4.2 instead of local.conf.sample; the file names are a little confusing :/ Feb 26 19:00:13 Marex-debian: I used it on 320x240 Feb 26 19:00:25 in opie? Feb 26 19:01:09 Marex-debian: Motorola EZX (QT Embedded) Feb 26 19:01:13 ooooh Feb 26 19:01:18 new RNK quote Feb 26 19:01:22 RMK* Feb 26 19:01:23 koen, wassup? Feb 26 19:01:25 "Rather than giving us a vague clue, why not tell us what you're Feb 26 19:01:25 actually trying to achieve. This is _open_ source with _free_ Feb 26 19:01:25 support. It's your responsibility to make it easy for us if Feb 26 19:01:25 you want to make use of that support." Feb 26 19:01:30 ooooooooooooooohhh 8) Feb 26 19:01:53 wtf? :o Feb 26 19:06:58 koen: why do you say DiskOnChip is not supported? Feb 26 19:08:26 zecke: Lorn said the chip used in the gp isn't supported Feb 26 19:09:18 "Yuhua Board" == Greenphone Feb 26 19:18:12 :D nice quote Feb 26 19:19:44 is this gdb message familiar to anyone? warning: Unable to find dynamic linker breakpoint function. Feb 26 19:19:52 am I missing some additional package or something? Feb 26 19:20:01 trying to debug my app on mipsel Feb 26 19:20:02 XorA: do you know a wm9713? Feb 26 19:20:21 #ifdef CONFIG_ARCH_OMEGA Feb 26 19:20:22 #include Feb 26 19:20:22 hi zecke Feb 26 19:20:32 from drivers/sound/ac97_codec_wm9713.c Feb 26 19:25:48 Koen: Project devices edited Feb 26 19:26:00 hi gwerwinin Feb 26 19:26:04 Koen: somebody took the businesscards Feb 26 19:26:10 Hey woglinde Feb 26 19:29:01 void i2c_pcf5060x_workaround() hmm another nice function name Feb 26 19:29:43 zecke *g* Feb 26 19:30:15 at least there is not a i2c_pcf5060x_workaround2() Feb 26 19:30:30 (try: 4) => `/opt/oe/dl/linux-libc-headers-2.6.11.1.tar.bz2' Feb 26 19:30:30 Connecting to ep09.pld-linux.org[217.73.31.20]:80... failed: Connection timed out. Feb 26 19:30:32 :< Feb 26 19:36:30 Koen : How can I edit the news pages and stuff ? Feb 26 19:38:50 gerwinin: click on a title and press 'edit' or click 'create content' in the menu on your left Feb 26 19:38:58 Hello Feb 26 19:40:04 hey sirfred ! Feb 26 19:40:22 hi sirfred Feb 26 19:40:28 gerwinin: iirc it was alban pierce (sp?) that donated the CF stuff Feb 26 19:40:50 koen, woglinde: Hi. At FOSDEM ? Feb 26 19:41:05 sirfred I wasnt there Feb 26 19:41:13 Koen: I don't know , I knew the guy was speaking dutch Feb 26 19:41:39 ah, that's a different guy Feb 26 19:42:09 I was wondering if anyone knew about the current status of the OZ 2.6 SD driver for the 5500 Feb 26 19:42:12 RP: Hi. Making extmem disabling configurable is being a harder task than I expected. :-( Feb 26 19:42:19 Koen: another guy offered us to donate palm stuff Feb 26 19:42:41 the treos? Feb 26 19:42:45 Koen: I took his business card but left all cards on the booth so somebody took the cards Feb 26 19:42:48 koen: yes Feb 26 19:43:27 * koen wonders where those cards went Feb 26 19:45:04 I cannot remember seeing any cards when I left the booth on saturday. Feb 26 19:45:45 HopsNBarley: Hi there. Feb 26 19:45:57 Likewise: Than I think my friend Jeroen has them Feb 26 19:46:25 The one with the new girlfriend? Feb 26 19:46:28 :-) Feb 26 19:47:00 Likewise: I went out for diner with them with some vlc people pfff getting ill from it :) Feb 26 19:47:13 which openzaurus branch should i be downloading if I want to help hrw|gone with the release? Feb 26 19:47:52 gerwinin: from VLC people or girlfriends? Feb 26 19:48:18 Likewise: from Jeroen and his Girlfriend :) the vlc people where pretty cool Feb 26 19:48:49 Derk-Jan was there as well? Feb 26 19:48:50 * koen wonders why a bar called "rhum rhum" only has 2 brands of rum, but 15 brands of whiskey Feb 26 19:48:59 Likewise: yes Feb 26 19:49:20 koen: because they can't spell rum? :-) Feb 26 19:50:23 hi likewise! Feb 26 19:50:31 NOTE: package qemu-native-0.8.2: started Feb 26 19:50:43 how do i prevent this from building? Feb 26 19:50:48 (got gcc4) Feb 26 19:51:14 why do you want to prevent it from building? Feb 26 19:51:25 it obviously is needed, otherwise OE wouldn't build it Feb 26 19:52:02 koen: because i got gcc4 Feb 26 19:52:33 pht_: you're spouting nonsense, stop that before continuing to speak Feb 26 19:52:46 one moment Feb 26 19:56:04 rwhitby: Hi Rod Feb 26 19:56:10 koen: Feb 26 19:56:25 | QEMU is known to have problems when compiled with gcc 4.x Feb 26 19:56:25 | It is recommended that you use gcc 3.x to build QEMU Feb 26 19:56:41 pht_: 'apt-get install gcc-3.4' Feb 26 19:57:01 Koen *g* Feb 26 19:57:01 koen: also, i am a casual qemu user and i am certain that qemu built with my gcc does _not_ run Feb 26 19:57:05 sirfred: hi, what is the problem? Feb 26 19:57:16 hi likewise Feb 26 19:57:26 RP: If I understand correctly, the framebuffer must be mapped always in the same place. Feb 26 19:57:44 pht_: I just told you to install a gcc that isn't present on your system Feb 26 19:57:48 RP: And that place is defined as W100_FB_BASE Feb 26 19:57:56 koen: well, first off, i don't use debian or any other packaging system; but that doesn't matter. i just don't want to have a separate gcc version just for qemu Feb 26 19:57:57 pht_: please actually read the advice people give you Feb 26 19:58:19 RP: That is the place where external memory uses to be mapped. When extmem_active is 0, external memory is switched off and internal memory is mapped to that place. Feb 26 19:58:21 pht than no oe for you Feb 26 19:58:31 koen: i do read everything you type me; i just finish my sentences as well Feb 26 19:58:54 well just tell me, why does oe need qemu Feb 26 19:59:05 to build glibc Feb 26 19:59:08 RP: But, when both memory are mapped, If I want the framebuffer to be placed in a fixed place, and I want it to be in the internal mem. Feb 26 19:59:12 why does it need qemu to build stuff (i actually build _kernel_) Feb 26 19:59:34 koen: so, glibc is not built by the cross compiler? Feb 26 19:59:41 RP: Well, how can I do it, I was trying swapping the mapping of internal and external memory, and seems to work. Feb 26 20:00:17 sirfred: When we use external memory, I think we still map the internal memory somewhere, don't we? Feb 26 20:00:30 RP: Yes. Feb 26 20:00:40 RP: But in that way, I don't know why, the screen is not stable. Feb 26 20:01:11 sirfred: Ah, you're mapping it accross the internal/external memory boundary? Feb 26 20:01:14 RP: it seems that myth-front for epia builds okay now Feb 26 20:01:46 gerwinin: That sounds good although I'm not sure I can remember the problem? :-/ Feb 26 20:01:54 RP: The only thing I did was to avoid external memory to switch off. Feb 26 20:02:19 sirfred: Did you move the external memory to map after the internal memory? Feb 26 20:02:25 RP: Until now I only found one and that is that snes doesn't built due to loose of precission Feb 26 20:02:42 RP: The external memory is mapped after the internal memory alwais, isn't it? Feb 26 20:02:50 sirfred: No Feb 26 20:02:50 RP: do the openchrome drivers work ? Feb 26 20:02:56 gremlin[it]: hi Feb 26 20:02:57 gremlin: hi ! Feb 26 20:03:09 RP: Isn't internal mapped at 0x100000 and external al 0x800000 ? Feb 26 20:03:16 hi likewise, gerwinin !!! Feb 26 20:03:19 RP: But when external is off, internal is mapped to 0x800000 Feb 26 20:03:38 gerwinin: I'm afraid I'm not following this conversation... Feb 26 20:03:38 Just to avoid changing the W100_FB_BASE. Feb 26 20:03:52 sirfred: yes Feb 26 20:04:35 koen: so qemu is actually used as a part of the build system? not just for emulating the "result"? Feb 26 20:04:38 RP: But in 320x240 mode, we want the framebuffer to be placed in the internal memory. Feb 26 20:04:43 RP: And the external memory also mapped. Feb 26 20:05:07 sirfred: Right, so external has to be mapped somehwere other than 0x800000 Feb 26 20:05:20 RP: I'm mapping it at 0x100000 to test. Feb 26 20:05:27 pht_: Its used for generating the locale information Feb 26 20:05:38 RP: would pxafb need a similar trick for sram? Feb 26 20:05:46 RP: okay Feb 26 20:05:56 koen: Kind of, yes Feb 26 20:06:06 RP: My problem now will be that Ximageon is expecting external memory to be mapped at EXTMEM_LOCATION Feb 26 20:06:13 koen: In that case the pxa doesn't have its own memory bus Feb 26 20:06:20 RP: huh. locale for what? i just did 'bitbake virtual/kernel' Feb 26 20:06:27 RP: As it gives different priority to internal and external mem. Feb 26 20:06:58 sirfred: Perhaps Ximageon should look where the external memory is mapped then? ;-) Feb 26 20:07:53 RP: It does that, reading the EXTMEM_LOCATION register. But in this scenario, we are using that register to map the internal memory. Feb 26 20:08:49 sirfred: Surely the EXTMEM_LOCATION register sets where the external memory is located? Feb 26 20:09:11 RP: I'm sure of very few things. Feb 26 20:09:31 sirfred: I get the feeling we're talking cross purposes :/ Feb 26 20:09:46 sirfred: Have you a patch I can look at>? Feb 26 20:10:09 RP: Let me thing it again more calmly. Feb 26 20:12:15 hey gremlin[it] Feb 26 20:12:31 hi koen :) Feb 26 20:12:52 whas loooooong time since lasta time !!! Feb 26 20:14:11 :) Feb 26 20:15:33 RP: I'm sending it to you. Thanks for your time. :) Feb 26 20:16:22 does anyone know the status of the 2.6 SD driver for the 5500 in OZ? Feb 26 20:16:39 sirfred: I just had a look at the code and I think all you need is something like http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/w100_extmem_secondary.patch Feb 26 20:16:52 sirfred: I've not looked at your mail yet though ;-) Feb 26 20:17:04 RP: I'm still writing it. :) Feb 26 20:17:12 RP: But, ... that patch... Feb 26 20:17:47 sirfred: Sorry, swap the values in the if statement ;-) Feb 26 20:20:21 RP: So, you're swapping the mapping of internal and external memory. Feb 26 20:20:25 RP: true? Feb 26 20:20:34 sirfred: yes Feb 26 20:21:01 RP: That way, userland can not tell which memory is internal and fast and with one is external (slower) Feb 26 20:21:26 RP: Perhaps there's a different way to know where is external and internal memory mapped. Feb 26 20:21:37 RP: I've sent you my patch. Feb 26 20:22:35 RP: But I see what size is the requested mode to decide how to map. Feb 26 20:23:45 RP: So, for 320x240 modes, and with extmem_never_off==1, I swap the mapping, but for 640x480 modes I have to map the framebuffer to the external memory Feb 26 20:25:42 sirfred: Sure you can tell where its mapped, just read MC_EXT_MEM_LOCATION and MC_FB_LOCATION Feb 26 20:27:43 RP: But isn't MC_FB_LOCATION internal memory for 320x240 modes and external memory for 640x480 modes? Feb 26 20:29:17 RP: Excuse me, I'm saying nonsenses. Feb 26 20:30:20 RP: You're right. MC_FB_LOCATION is always the internal memory and MC_EXT_MEM_LOCATION is the external memory. I was thinking it in some strange reverse mode. Feb 26 20:31:19 it just seems enough to do 'bitbake -b org.openembedded.oz354x/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.17.bb Feb 26 20:31:33 no locale, no qemu, no hassle Feb 26 20:32:07 except it croaks because of a wrong patch. Feb 26 20:32:12 RP: I have to leave now. Thank for your help. Any comment about the patch is welcome. Feb 26 20:33:47 does anyone know the status of the 2.6 SD driver for the 5500 in OZ? Feb 26 20:42:31 summatusmentis: No change from what is in the OZ FAQ Feb 26 20:42:50 summatusmentis: Have you pledged your support for the bounty? Feb 26 20:45:11 Laibsch: I haven't looked at the OZ FAQ, and I'm a poor HS student, lacking monetary means Feb 26 20:45:18 :-/, I would if i could Feb 26 20:46:13 Come on, you cannot spare even 5€? Feb 26 20:46:27 Or just 1€ to show you want this but lack further means? Feb 26 20:46:44 I think anyone interested in this can and should pledge. Feb 26 20:48:44 Laibsch: ok, that's fair Feb 26 20:49:11 I'd also like to support the project in other ways, testing and so forth Feb 26 20:50:47 Laibsch: where is this page? Feb 26 20:51:05 Laibsch: should we make a bounty page ? Feb 26 20:52:38 summasmentis: I believe http://www.openembedded.org/FAQ Feb 26 20:52:51 gerwinin: On one hand this seems like a good idea. Feb 26 20:53:02 I believe we should have more bounties in OE Feb 26 20:53:25 On the other hand, I never thought that a wiki page was the proper way to do this. Feb 26 20:53:49 I talked to Michael Voigt at FOSDEM about a proper bounty support system. Feb 26 20:54:00 I hope that launchpad will eventually provide this. Feb 26 20:54:31 Laibsch: I don't see anything at the OE FAQ, I was looking at the openzaurus wiki faq, but that didn't have it either Feb 26 20:54:46 * Laibsch is freaking tired. Feb 26 20:54:54 I'm off Feb 26 20:54:58 Laibsch: It needs to be more than a wiki page. Maybe if someone came forward to look after it and that page was locked for their updates only or something? Feb 26 20:55:07 See you all after I return. Feb 26 20:56:21 RP: I believe I once posted an URL from somebody else's analysis about what a bounty system should look like. I agreed with that assessment and will forward this info to Michael. Feb 26 20:56:39 Laibsch: ok, sounds good Feb 26 20:56:44 Sorry, my irc client segfaulted there :/ Feb 26 20:57:16 is there anything OE/OZ needs that someone without much programming experience could provide? Feb 26 20:57:46 good day Feb 26 20:57:56 hi oxo Feb 26 20:58:14 summatusmentis: Go through the bug reports and see if you can reproduce them. Feb 26 20:58:15 * oxo is trying to make a new distribution based on OE Feb 26 20:58:35 summatusmentis: Look at ubuntu bug triage info on how to do this effectively. Feb 26 20:58:39 Oxo what kind of distribution ? Feb 26 20:58:51 Laibsch: ok, I can probably do that Feb 26 20:58:52 for the Javastation Krups Feb 26 20:58:57 koen: looks like the greenphone kernel is not complete Feb 26 20:59:17 there is a 8M ROM-thingy in it, and it's practically a hell to build manually an image Feb 26 20:59:23 * stefan_schmidt is wondering *any* 2.4 company kernel is complete. Feb 26 20:59:37 but I keep running into troubles building glibc Feb 26 20:59:52 oxo!!!!!!! Feb 26 20:59:54 zecke: Which bits are missing? Feb 26 20:59:59 koenman! Feb 26 21:00:01 summatusmentis: http://wiki.openzaurus.org/FAQ#Which_SD_Cards_work_with_OpenZaurus Feb 26 21:00:19 oxo: I can trade local support against a drink :) Feb 26 21:00:28 ah very good Feb 26 21:00:59 RP: they want to compile s1d19120.c, which is not in the source tree Feb 26 21:01:09 Laibsch: ok, thanks Feb 26 21:01:22 Laibsch: don't let me be the reason you're satying Feb 26 21:01:26 staying* Feb 26 21:01:31 zecke: fun :/ Feb 26 21:01:46 someone shut my machine off, so I can not verify it Feb 26 21:01:49 zecke lol Feb 26 21:02:20 RP: they have one pxafb.c for each depth 8,16,24 :) Feb 26 21:02:33 RP: self made i2c code Feb 26 21:02:46 zecke: OMG Feb 26 21:03:08 I still have not found any trace of the block device stuff Feb 26 21:03:21 they greenphone defconfig is not including MTD Feb 26 21:03:30 what's the install parameter to recursivly copy dirs ? i.e install -m 0755 arch/ppc/* ${STAGING_KERNEL_DIR}/arch/ppc/ copies only the files not dirs Feb 26 21:04:04 ifaistos hm man install? Feb 26 21:04:13 RP: what is interesting they have something they call IMM and this includes an API to expose the static ram to userspace Feb 26 21:06:45 oh someone sumarized bits at http://greenphone-wiki.org/index.php/Technical_information Feb 26 21:07:50 wolfson codec Feb 26 21:08:17 yes :) Feb 26 21:08:31 koen: see above, they forked ac97.c and hacked on it Feb 26 21:08:50 At least a 2.6 sounds driver will be easy... Feb 26 21:08:57 'night all Feb 26 21:08:57 'night koen Feb 26 21:11:02 woglinde : i tried -D but it does not work Feb 26 21:11:03 Has anyone asked TT if they plan to update to 2.6 on it? Feb 26 21:11:41 RP: no I will, looks like they have 16 binary only modules Feb 26 21:12:08 zecke: wtf, which chips? Feb 26 21:12:13 zecke: Impressive :/ Feb 26 21:12:20 http://greenphone-wiki.org/index.php/Install_a_new_kernel_on_Greenphone Feb 26 21:12:36 * stefan_schmidt reads up the wiki Feb 26 21:13:08 zecke: omega is some kind of ASIC? Feb 26 21:13:19 RP: no, it is the name of the device Feb 26 21:13:58 zecke: what on earth is tricky about an rtc alarm on the pxa? :/ Feb 26 21:14:12 or the pmu... Feb 26 21:14:21 RP: well the rtc can be either the PXA one, or the one the philips chip (let me find the number) Feb 26 21:14:48 and vibrator and spi Feb 26 21:14:53 even bt Feb 26 21:14:53 PCF50606 Feb 26 21:15:05 stefan_schmidt: vibrator is one GPIO you need to toggle Feb 26 21:15:20 Seems you can do nothing on this device without the blobs Feb 26 21:15:22 zecke: lol Feb 26 21:15:23 stefan_schmidt: mickeyl can tell a story about lorn's vibrator and how it can be stopped after receiving a sms Feb 26 21:15:47 zecke: Binary only for 20 lines of code. heh Feb 26 21:16:00 with comments Feb 26 21:16:10 zecke: The PCF50606 is seemingly in the openmoko Feb 26 21:16:35 RP: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/pcf50606.pdf or rockbox Feb 26 21:16:46 I think it is time to talk with Eirik... Feb 26 21:17:01 zecke: Eirik? Feb 26 21:17:15 co founder of TT Feb 26 21:17:20 ah Feb 26 21:17:34 zecke: Full data sheet available, no reason to withhold the driver Feb 26 21:18:53 e.g. I know certain people that hate i2c mainline code and write their own minimal i2c support but at least they have a reason... Feb 26 21:19:46 zecke: And no reason to keep it closed source Feb 26 21:20:24 RP: right, no reason to keep it closed, just a reason not to enter mainline Feb 26 21:20:40 * zecke notices he hasn't read the pxa270 doc since I left ROAD Feb 26 21:21:03 zecke: I don't expect companies to aim for mainline. That's raising the bar far too high it seems :-( Feb 26 21:22:22 RP: At least a open out-of-tree driver offer a nice reference. :) Feb 26 21:22:23 RP: I think most of ROADs kernel stuff can enter mainline, Uli already sent all the bugfixes upstream Feb 26 21:22:47 zecke: That's nice to see :) Feb 26 21:23:34 only custom drivers and machine support will only be released when the machine is there, at least this was the plan and makes sense Feb 26 21:24:17 That makes sense Feb 26 21:25:31 OT: is marvell offering datasheets the same way intel did (publically viewable)? Feb 26 21:28:29 Who knows what they're going to do... Feb 26 21:28:45 I hope so... Feb 26 21:34:15 zecke: I had to sign a NDA to get Marvell PXA datasheets Feb 26 21:34:38 zecke: there are watermark'd with my company name :-\ Feb 26 21:34:43 *they Feb 26 21:34:44 cbrake: for the monahan? Feb 26 21:34:59 and intel removed their pxa stuff... Feb 26 21:35:04 zecke: PXA3xx Feb 26 21:35:25 zecke: I think that is monohan -- can't even remember anymore ... Feb 26 21:35:32 cbrake: it is Feb 26 21:36:32 a shame OLPC is using marvell stuff :( Feb 26 21:36:54 zecke: different company, different set of cultural issues. I'm always amazed how companies blindly apply their standard practices to everything -- does not matter if it makes sense. Feb 26 21:37:31 at my new job, they use lines of code as a metric of code completion progress :( Feb 26 21:37:37 it makes me sad Feb 26 21:37:50 zecke: whats so bad on marvell wlan stuff? Feb 26 21:38:02 hi kergoth Feb 26 21:38:13 greentux: technical nothing, lack of freely available documentations sucks Feb 26 21:38:37 greentux: intel was just 'great' Feb 26 21:38:39 zecke: ok, I thought the olpc guys have also a "open source" religion strategy... mmmh Feb 26 21:38:59 greentux: it is in the works, but the mindset of marvell seems closed Feb 26 21:39:18 zecke: perhaps a nda based driver no other dev understand.... Feb 26 21:39:18 greentux: they needed to use the marvell wifi chip because it has its own processor Feb 26 21:39:40 greentux: so they could leave the wifi up and routing packets while the main proc was sleeping. Feb 26 21:39:41 cbrake: understand that... but... moko decided to NOT use a closed chip :) Feb 26 21:40:04 greentux: nod, must be all that they could find. Feb 26 21:40:15 RP: do you have a copy of the various PXA270 manuals? Feb 26 21:41:01 cbrake: thats to bad... such a nice project, so many hardware to "sell" and no vendor with "open" in mind Feb 26 21:41:13 greentux: nod Feb 26 21:41:16 greentux: let me find jg's blog about it Feb 26 21:42:09 zecke: ok Feb 26 21:43:07 greentux: http://www.gettysfamily.org/wordpress/?p=27 Feb 26 21:43:09 * zecke rereads Feb 26 21:46:43 zecke: mmmh sounds not too bad. Feb 26 21:47:15 ok, will leaving to bed Feb 26 21:49:28 greentux: right, from an OLPC pov it sounds okay Feb 26 22:14:29 zecke: Some of them, not all :/ Feb 26 22:15:28 RP: thanks, I found the ones I was interested in :) Feb 26 22:15:36 with some help Feb 26 22:23:31 koen|away: do we have modest in oe already? Feb 26 22:28:33 re Feb 26 22:29:25 florian, i don't see a modest*.bb anywhere if that's what you're asking. Feb 26 22:38:31 jebba: hum well, not exactly :-) Feb 26 23:11:28 where is the bug tracker for OZ? Feb 26 23:12:22 good night Feb 26 23:13:38 'night zecke Feb 27 01:56:05 hi Feb 27 01:59:07 * chouimat|away is back. Feb 27 02:03:47 is there any distro for alchemy (mips cpu family) processor? Feb 27 02:04:38 * crink trying machine: "db1200" distro: "generic" Feb 27 02:14:05 oh i got error when compiling glibc-2.3.5, "error: asm/sgidefs.h: No such file or directory" Feb 27 02:47:09 anyone tried to build diet-X11 lately? Feb 27 02:48:13 my build dies with Floating point exception Feb 27 02:51:28 while doing makekeys < keysymdef.h **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 27 02:59:56 2007