**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 27 02:59:56 2007 Feb 27 03:29:50 imho, right place to ask seems mailing list, FYI. Feb 27 03:32:37 thanks, i'll try there, i noticed a bug report for this package, but it didnt seem to be the problem i'm seeing. Feb 27 05:30:55 Good night! Back in US OK Feb 27 05:51:32 I don't see this in the FAQ/docs... Should "minor" things like 404s due to new package releases be put in bugzilla? For instance elfutils.bb wants 0.108, but upstream has 0.125 (and 108 is removed). Feb 27 05:54:57 jebba, yes, they should be. preferrably, with new, tested .bb ;-) Feb 27 05:55:34 does "it compiles" = "tested"? ;) Feb 27 05:55:54 jebba: It's a good start... does it run too? Feb 27 05:58:29 hvontres|home, not there yet. Actually, i'm just working on the compile part of it now (parts of the patch didn't apply, so at least i can update that...) Feb 27 06:02:32 this is gonna take more brainpower than i have at the moment... /me off to bed saving it for another day... thx Feb 27 06:53:34 morning all Feb 27 06:58:31 good morning all Feb 27 06:58:55 hi koen Feb 27 06:59:10 hey Dirk Feb 27 07:02:26 anyone know a good irc proxy that can connect to multiple servers, log multiple channels (including daily rotation of logs), and you only need to connect to it once to see the conglomeration of servers and channels ... Feb 27 07:05:29 koen: How was the sunday night event? Feb 27 07:06:18 do13_: short :) Feb 27 07:06:30 I think we all went to sleep before midnight Feb 27 07:11:03 I can't believe, Liam told me about a contest :) Feb 27 07:12:21 I think Liam chickened out Feb 27 07:22:18 morning Feb 27 07:26:03 hey Marcin Feb 27 07:29:11 hi Dirk Feb 27 07:29:15 time to read backlog Feb 27 08:27:41 koen : bug 1696 solved :) Feb 27 08:30:19 hi kOEn Feb 27 08:33:57 hi greentux Feb 27 08:34:06 hey hrw Feb 27 08:34:26 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r146773cd... 10/ (1 packages/mplayer/mplayer_0.0+1.0rc1.bb): mplayer: package which contain xvidix drivers Feb 27 08:34:30 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r91440474... 10/ (1 packages/mplayer/mplayer_0.0+1.0rc1.bb): mplayer: disable mmx2, sse, 3dnow for progear Feb 27 08:38:37 splitnode Feb 27 08:39:22 one question for those of you that are working with openmoko Feb 27 08:39:58 how difficult would be to use instead as a sip phone developement base ? Feb 27 08:40:16 and not as a gsm/gprs whatever Feb 27 08:49:03 morning Feb 27 08:51:08 hey XorA Feb 27 08:52:01 yo koen Feb 27 09:03:55 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r69bad661... 10/ (1 classes/package.bbclass): package.bbclass: comment out the cleandir since it breaks constructions like "inherit package_ipk package_tar" and seems to interfere with do_split_packages Feb 27 09:04:01 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r4df30a69... 10/ (1 packages/pulseaudio/pulseaudio_0.9.5.bb): pulse-audio: improve packaging some more Feb 27 09:22:14 n770 original os (it2006) looks and works crappy Feb 27 09:23:39 * XorA ordered a gp2x last night Feb 27 09:27:56 Ifaistos: depends on what difficult is. The openmoko was meant for GSM phones, so some things (e.g. like talking via ATxxx commands to the GSM moden) would be useless for a SIP phone. Other things, like the UI could be (partly) reused. Again other things, like the phone book, need to be tailored. Feb 27 09:28:22 Ifaistos: for one developer, that's not difficult at all, just tedious. For another, it's difficult :-) Feb 27 09:28:43 koen: it2006 is maemo 2.0? 3.0? 2.2? Feb 27 09:29:37 hrw: 770 looks crappy? not mine... Feb 27 09:29:52 Ifaistos: look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMokoFramework and decide what is good for a SIP phone, too, and what not Feb 27 09:30:13 hrw: 800 -> maemo 3.0, 770 2.1 or 2.2 Feb 27 09:30:36 hrw: it2006 is 2.2 Feb 27 09:30:45 greentux: I got brand new n770 at sunday. just flashed to it2006 and it is still annoyiing Feb 27 09:30:57 greentux: clock is am/pm without option for 24h Feb 27 09:31:03 no clock applet Feb 27 09:31:23 one-way BT only (cannot beam from phone to n770) Feb 27 09:31:32 hrw: you can install that.... its the same with that "we need a pin" thread Feb 27 09:32:05 s/pin/pim Feb 27 09:35:21 greentux: it feels like 'advanced user will replace half of system, rest will use what we gave' Feb 27 09:35:44 greentux: there is connections applet but no idea which connection it use Feb 27 09:35:46 hrw: mmmh no you dont replace, but you add. the base looks useful for me Feb 27 09:36:05 hrw: I see Zaurus are not interesting devices :-) Feb 27 09:36:15 hrw: it uses bluetooth and wlan connection. it is selfexplained... i felt Feb 27 09:36:53 greentux: if I have 10 wifi/bt connections defined and I'm in range of 5 wifi ones - which one it use? Feb 27 09:37:08 hrw: connection is easy. scabs the networks, you choose, enter wpa key and all is up and running. Feb 27 09:37:27 greentux: I know. already configured it for my home wifi Feb 27 09:37:39 I will write long rant on blog later Feb 27 09:37:57 hrw: and that was easier then on the Z :) Feb 27 09:38:14 greentux: paid devs contra freetime devs Feb 27 09:38:24 but depends on installed hardware (zaurus with bluetooth card wasnt default) Feb 27 09:38:32 ok. Feb 27 09:40:14 package managment in it2006 is 'refreshing' 45KB of data forever... Feb 27 09:41:28 and thats the only device at home which does not have remote connection option Feb 27 09:42:29 schurig : Thanks. i got the idea after watching openmoko's presentation from FOSDEM. Feb 27 09:43:29 schurig : As for the Atxxx commands a ATxx2sip could take care of that for example Feb 27 09:45:40 schurig : but you are right needs more detailed examination Feb 27 09:52:56 hi obergix[work] Feb 27 09:53:06 hi hrw Feb 27 09:53:15 hrw: I talked a lot about you yesterday, here ;) Feb 27 09:53:16 morning all Feb 27 09:53:21 hrw: have you seen the logs ? Feb 27 09:54:03 saw Feb 27 09:54:21 obergix[work]: oz 355 was supposed to be released from .dev Feb 27 09:54:46 hrw: also seen my trackback on your blog ? Feb 27 09:55:15 yes Feb 27 09:56:48 hrw: ok Feb 27 09:57:17 hrw: anyway, I'm really glad to have met you at FOSDEM Feb 27 09:59:26 obergix[work]: you was the one after opensync talk? Feb 27 10:03:29 hrw: yes, talking with dgollub and another guy whom I don't remember the name Feb 27 10:28:57 koen: no modest bb yet? you are getting old, right? ;) Feb 27 10:29:12 yeah Feb 27 10:29:23 I was busy getting needles stuck in me :) Feb 27 10:29:43 koen: eeks Feb 27 10:35:23 koen: becoming a cenobite? Feb 27 10:36:37 sort of Feb 27 10:37:07 I can now laugh at Diftery, Polio, Tetanus, yellow fever and Hepatitus A the next few years Feb 27 10:37:36 XorA: Say hi to Remko Stoutjesdijk if you run into him Feb 27 10:38:01 koen: heh heh, he was in coffee room this morning Feb 27 10:39:05 he was the lab BOFH for a lot of projects I did here Feb 27 10:39:49 heh heh Feb 27 10:47:22 hi Feb 27 10:48:07 XorA: ask him about the combination of TV's and baseball bats Feb 27 10:50:31 Ifaistos: what was the solution for -mlong-double-128 error? Feb 27 10:53:54 * oxo is very interested in that one too Feb 27 10:55:45 koen: Add soft float support to targets without an fpu Feb 27 10:56:30 koen: needs a patch in the gcc and several in glibc Feb 27 10:57:06 hrm Feb 27 10:57:17 oxo: does the krups have an fpu? Feb 27 10:57:39 I believe so Feb 27 10:57:47 it reports one in cpuinfo Feb 27 10:58:08 what is "the krups" ? sounds like a big gun :) Feb 27 10:58:16 sun javastation Feb 27 10:58:35 ppc based ? Feb 27 10:58:56 nou, sun4m Feb 27 10:59:18 hmmm koen the patches work only for ppc/powerpc Feb 27 11:00:08 koen : btw have you seen the message that the last angstrom build for efika failed ? Feb 27 11:00:27 Ifaistos: yes Feb 27 11:00:38 will try to fix that later tomorrow Feb 27 11:01:16 brb, lunch Feb 27 11:01:28 ok. i am planning to get a clean build done every week (during weekends) Feb 27 11:01:41 re Feb 27 11:12:01 Ifaistos: so far (but the build is not complete) it seems that adding long_double/m128-stuff to site/sparc suffices (thanks, koen!) Feb 27 11:16:51 WTF FC6 EABI images Feb 27 11:17:20 XorA: right, lennert ported that as well Feb 27 11:18:35 nice Feb 27 11:25:19 http://www.hrw.one.pl/2007/02/27/nokia-770-first-observations/ - my first rant Feb 27 11:25:48 I still don't understand with it2006 has no i18n Feb 27 11:25:56 it2005 and it2007 do have it.... Feb 27 11:26:31 oxo : that meens sparc had support in gcc/glibc by default for them Feb 27 11:28:20 oxo : what i have noticed is that if it passed glibc-intermediate then there is no problem afterwards Feb 27 11:28:46 well, don't hold your breath, because it has not compiled yet Feb 27 11:28:53 it just configured itself Feb 27 11:29:16 my sparc build is at NOTE: package glibc-intermediate-2.5-r4: task do_compile: started Feb 27 11:30:09 if the problem exists it will fail at the end of the compile (when doing the fp stuff) Feb 27 11:30:23 do you have debug info on ? Feb 27 11:30:48 if you don't see --mlong-double not supported messages then its ok :) Feb 27 11:32:57 well, I now have a failing gcc 4.1 build.. Feb 27 11:33:02 looks like some internal BB error Feb 27 11:33:15 it's python dying Feb 27 11:34:31 http://rafb.net/p/o1PfaI12.html Feb 27 11:36:07 oxo: could you try 'mtn pull ;mtn up' ? Feb 27 11:36:11 k Feb 27 11:36:21 I think I fixed that this morning Feb 27 11:36:47 I see OE/bb is quite dynamic. I like that Feb 27 11:37:01 people actually do stuff Feb 27 11:37:44 20013 messages since the first one, 3.13 years ago, for an average of 1.37 hours between messages Feb 27 11:37:50 according to ciabot Feb 27 11:38:51 nice Feb 27 11:39:14 Ifaistos: | /data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/work/sparc-angstrom-linux/glibc-intermediate-2.5-r4/build-sparc-angstrom-linux/math/libm_pic.a(e_acosl.os): In function `__ieee754_acosl':| e_acosl.c:(.text+0x2418): undefined reference to `__ieee754_sqrtl' Feb 27 11:39:18 Ifaistos: errors like that? Feb 27 11:39:37 yes Feb 27 11:40:47 is this with TARGET_FPU="soft" ? Feb 27 11:41:55 Ifaistos: no :( Feb 27 11:43:06 hmmm strange Feb 27 11:43:28 indeed Feb 27 11:43:52 is this the only one you get or you get more ? Feb 27 11:45:21 Ifaistos: http://rafb.net/p/OdhwWE12.html Feb 27 11:46:16 its a long shot but... try removing a patch for ppc sqr functions Feb 27 11:48:38 koen : -> http://sources.redhat.com/ml/glibc-cvs/2006-q1/msg00357.html Feb 27 11:49:03 koen: still broken after pull/up Feb 27 11:49:16 but no worries, I'll retry with gcc 3.4 Feb 27 11:49:17 notice the (__signbitl, sqrtl, __ieee754_sqrtl): New inlines. Feb 27 11:49:42 and its pretty recent patch Feb 27 11:49:46 this is a proof-of-concept after all, so gcc 4 is not really needed Feb 27 12:02:36 koen: what do you think about r/w for Gerrath (Shane Volpe)? His work is added into OE already and was good quality. Feb 27 12:09:06 gm Feb 27 12:11:14 hi Crofton Feb 27 12:11:19 Crofton: how was trip? Feb 27 12:11:31 koen: that libgcc/no such file problem still persists Feb 27 12:17:48 it seems that gcc-cross-initial decides not to build empty packages, but some inherited part does want to do that Feb 27 12:19:49 fine, until Dulles, plane left an hour late Feb 27 12:20:03 still, no other problems Feb 27 12:25:12 Crofton: thats good Feb 27 12:26:17 checking for sdl-config... /home/gg/zaurus/build-terrier/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/sdl-config Feb 27 12:26:41 arg, now I see why that form of finding -config files was abandoned first time Feb 27 13:02:04 anyone know if there is a french speaking ULB campus and a Dutch speaking one? Feb 27 13:16:08 hey Feb 27 13:16:46 How do I tell bb to build an older revision of a package on the command line? Feb 27 13:18:13 bitbake xxxx-1.2.3 Feb 27 13:18:49 dope! I did xxxx_1.2.3. Thanks Feb 27 13:24:31 hey Feb 27 13:25:38 I would like to know how to easily install some ipk files that were generated by various builds but setting up a kind of "repository" Feb 27 13:27:27 vlo: repository, feed just create an index (Packages files) Feb 27 13:28:11 s/but/by Feb 27 13:28:45 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r475246e1... 10/ (1 packages/madwifi/madwifi-ng_r.inc): packages/madwifi/madwifi-ng_r.inc: Add efika and walnut compile support Feb 27 13:28:49 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r25a79754... 10/ (1 packages/madwifi/madwifi-ng_r2156-20070225.bb): packages/madwifi/madwifi-ng_r2156-20070225.bb: Add latest madwifi package Feb 27 13:28:53 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * rf4f6a297... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-dht-walnut_2.6.20.bb): packages/linux/linux-dht-walnut_2.6.20.bb: Copy additional kernel headers required by externel modules Feb 27 13:28:57 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r5800c7cf... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-efika_2.6.20.bb): Feb 27 13:28:57 packages/linux/linux-efika_2.6.20.bb: Copy additional kernel headers required by externel modules Feb 27 13:28:57 Closes bug #1696 Feb 27 13:29:01 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * rf40dcd89... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-efika-2.6.20/defconfig): packages/linux/linux-efika-2.6.20/defconfig: Set kernel timer tick at 1000Hz Feb 27 13:29:05 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r47ee7da7... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Feb 27 13:29:05 packages/linux/linux-dht-walnut-2.6.20/dht-walnut_defconfig: Add support for additional drivers Feb 27 13:29:05 Set kernel timer tick at 1000Hz Feb 27 13:29:09 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r8894b322... 10/ (1 classes/kernel-arch.bbclass): Feb 27 13:29:10 classes/kernel-arch.bbclass: Remove powerpc -> ppc conversion. Now both of them exist Feb 27 13:29:11 Do some cleanup on the supported arches Feb 27 13:29:18 vlo: like http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/ ? Feb 27 13:31:27 koen: yes, so that I could easily add some packages on my system Feb 27 13:32:38 koen: what do you think about r/w for Gerrath (Shane Volpe)? His work is added into OE already and was good quality. Feb 27 13:32:51 hrw: ok by me Feb 27 13:33:06 good Feb 27 13:34:40 koen : any idea when uclibc 0.9.29 will be added ? Feb 27 13:34:59 it's out? Feb 27 13:35:13 koen: IT2007 looks better then 2005/2006 editions Feb 27 13:35:26 you said after FOSDEM :) Feb 27 13:35:37 hrw: you installed the it2007 image for 770? Feb 27 13:35:54 koen: yes Feb 27 13:36:13 hrw: it pissed me off that the nokia dudes couldn't figure out how to build it2007 for the 770 Feb 27 13:36:28 hrw: it took them a few weeks to make the image you flashed Feb 27 13:36:33 yep Feb 27 13:36:36 and even that is missing tons of stuff Feb 27 13:37:30 each release of maemo suxx. misc directorions but suxx Feb 27 13:37:56 Ifaistos: http://uclibc.org/lists/uclibc/2007-February/017414.html Feb 27 13:40:24 hum ... you only need to specify sources in /etc/ipkg.conf finally ? Feb 27 13:41:20 hrw, koen: thank you, Koen I will generate a key and email it to you. Feb 27 13:47:07 and to mickeyl Feb 27 13:50:06 Gerrath : welcome aboard :) Feb 27 13:50:38 lrg: did you send an updated key yet? Feb 27 13:50:38 koen, will do. Feb 27 13:50:46 Ifaistos, thanks. Feb 27 13:51:33 btw does anyone have any experience with Xilinx ml403 EDK ? Feb 27 13:52:12 zecke: sorry, no yet - been a little busy with some admin stuff today, i'll send a key tomorrow. Feb 27 13:52:14 Ifaistos, what is that? Feb 27 13:52:59 what's the fastest way to replace a string in a bunch of files (sed? awk?) Feb 27 13:53:31 * VoodooZ keeps wanting to sharpen his sed/awk skills but never finds the time... Feb 27 13:53:42 Crofton|home : An dev kit for Xilinx Virtex 4 fpgas -> http://www.xilinx.com/products/boards/ml403/reference_designs.htm Feb 27 13:53:51 hi, all! A bit of stupid question - is it possible to use 'feeds' to build image? Feb 27 13:54:19 Crofton|home : it has a ppc 405 core you can put in (actually has room for 2 :) Feb 27 13:54:51 soft core then? Feb 27 13:55:10 Trying to figure out if the Linux and windoz versions of the EDK are the same. which distro is prefereable etc Feb 27 13:55:46 Crofton|home : yes. Feb 27 13:56:23 I don't know, but I am a little interested Feb 27 13:56:41 at FOSDEM a guy talked about running RT-Linux and softcore Feb 27 13:56:45 but not the PPC one Feb 27 13:57:09 Crofton|home : Got a project to build a "proof of concept" device and have to use this... Feb 27 13:57:27 neat Feb 27 13:58:17 The board has vga and sound... maybe added an OE machine for it :) Feb 27 13:59:31 I want to try some of the FPGA with hard cores :) Feb 27 14:00:40 you are a hard core dev ;) Feb 27 14:00:57 heh Feb 27 14:01:14 first I need to figure out FPGA's, just ambitious ideas Feb 27 14:02:00 maybe we can discuss a bit about this latter. Have to run. 'wife factor' just kicked in Feb 27 14:03:19 ok Feb 27 14:03:24 l8r Feb 27 14:33:30 anybody got latest ov511 (2.32) drivers running under 2.6.20 Feb 27 14:38:30 * florian raises the question about what to do with donations Feb 27 14:48:09 is there a userspace cross-platform way to do atomic operations like "atomic.h" in the kernel? Feb 27 14:48:23 /usr/include/asm/atomic.h looks like it belongs to the kernel Feb 27 14:48:29 tmbinc: using a heavy mutex Feb 27 14:48:47 tmbinc: or if you can look at GPL code, take a look at Trolltech's Qt4 Feb 27 14:49:14 :/ ok Feb 27 14:49:28 currently we have a bunch of different implementations for mips, ppc, x86 Feb 27 14:49:55 what does Qt4 do? anything worthy? Feb 27 14:50:39 tmbinc: it implements qAtomicSet for a dozens of architectures Feb 27 14:50:48 ok Feb 27 14:51:07 well, we keep our three-and-a-half architectures code then. I just thought there would be a clean way Feb 27 14:51:40 not that I'm aware of Feb 27 14:52:19 oh I just managed to annoy rmk Feb 27 14:52:31 * XorA chuckles Feb 27 14:53:11 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r514f5678... 10/ (1 packages/tslib/tslib/a780/tslib.sh): tslib: Remove wrong tslib.sh for A780. Feb 27 14:54:06 zecke: oh Feb 27 14:54:10 :) Feb 27 14:54:47 looks like the madwifi VFP patch is broken again Feb 27 14:55:35 hmm Feb 27 14:56:01 looks like there is a bit in gcc-initial for sparc Feb 27 14:56:19 'bug' even Feb 27 14:56:21 :-) Feb 27 14:58:57 hi all Feb 27 14:59:32 hi mr_nice Feb 27 14:59:46 apaulson: I think someone just committed some madwifi-ng stuff. Feb 27 15:00:10 florian: hi Feb 27 15:00:19 hrw: do you have some time for me? Feb 27 15:04:25 Hi, everyone. Having problem with a rather basic angstrom build. Building angstrom-bootstrap-image ends with an error telling that there are lots of unsatisfied dependencies. Is there some evident beginner's error that might cause this problem? Feb 27 15:07:09 here are the last lines of log: http://www.pastebin.ca/374395 Feb 27 15:08:18 btw, task-base has been built without troubles Feb 27 15:14:08 03koen 07org.oe.dev * red15df30... 10/ (1 site/sparc-linux): sparc site file: add some more entries Feb 27 15:14:18 oxo: there you go Feb 27 15:14:59 thank you Feb 27 15:15:09 is the gcc do_package error also fixed by this? Feb 27 15:15:22 not that I know off Feb 27 15:16:03 koen: angstrom does support x86, right? Feb 27 15:16:04 it looks like the do_package of gcc-cross-initial tries to make al kinds of packages (like libgcc) which explicitly should not be produced by gcc-cross-initial Feb 27 15:16:42 Jin^eLD: yes Feb 27 15:18:53 my buddy is trying angstrom and is failing to bootstrap his image, allthough task-base has been built; bitbake complains about dependencies, any idea why this could be happening? Feb 27 15:20:19 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rb5baf49f... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom: add rudimentary sparc support Feb 27 15:20:36 angstrom-bootstrap-image is saying that some deps can not be satisfied for task-base-core-default and task-base, but task base has been built Feb 27 15:20:40 so this kind of makes no sense? Feb 27 15:25:14 koen: this is the problem: http://rafb.net/p/jcQ5Ik23.html Feb 27 15:31:00 ~curse cairo devels Feb 27 15:31:01 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, cairo devels ! Feb 27 15:31:07 ccache arm-poky-linux-gnueabi-gcc -march=armv5te -mtune=arm926ej-s -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I/home/hrw/devel/OH/poky/build/tmp/work/armv5te-poky-linux-gnueabi/cairo-1.3.14-r0/cairo-1.3.14/pixman/src -I../.. -I/home/hrw/devel/OH/poky/build/tmp/work/armv5te-poky-linux-gnueabi/cairo-1.3.14-r0/cairo-1.3.14 -I/home/hrw/devel/OH/poky/build/tmp/work/armv5te-poky-linux-gnueabi/cairo-1.3.14-r0/cairo-1.3.14/pixman/src -Wall -Wextra -Wsign-compare -Werror-implicit-function-d Feb 27 15:31:21 'no, we do not want to see breakage' Feb 27 15:31:48 hrw: what is breaking? Feb 27 15:32:45 zecke: its poky breakiing in csl toolchain Feb 27 15:33:04 hrw: you missed to paste the error?! Feb 27 15:33:17 you just flooded this channel :) Feb 27 15:33:17 Koen: still cannot edit most of the wiki/oe webpage Feb 27 15:33:42 zecke: thats why I like cairo guys - they do not want to show bugs Feb 27 15:34:07 ljp: I registered the greenphone in the machine registry, if you (trolltech) wants to do the 2.6 port feeel free to change the maintainer name Feb 27 15:47:50 my condolences to ubuntu users Feb 27 15:48:36 redguy: madwifi breakage - sorry, I didn't mean to complain and run away Feb 27 15:48:50 Crofton: hehe, but why? Feb 27 15:48:58 looks like whomever submitted the latest patch undid the slugos consolidation Feb 27 15:49:03 esr is switching to ubuntu Feb 27 15:49:16 what is esr? Feb 27 15:49:18 or who? :) Feb 27 15:49:21 exactly Feb 27 15:50:01 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Raymond Feb 27 15:50:24 hrw: ping Feb 27 15:51:27 any #oe people in dublin? Feb 27 15:52:04 heh.. Feb 27 15:52:29 first time I hear about the guy Feb 27 15:52:49 I just finished deleting about 200 emails on the fedora-dev list due to him Feb 27 15:54:21 Crofton : What happened ? Feb 27 15:54:38 Crofton: I had a conflict two years ago with this dude from Linspire :) Feb 27 15:54:45 apparently he forced an uninstall of a rpm and mde a mess Feb 27 15:55:01 and he is pissed fedora won't include non-free cdecs Feb 27 15:55:13 gerwinin, esr? Feb 27 15:55:26 Crofton: now with Michael Robertson Feb 27 15:55:31 ah Feb 27 15:55:40 I am not super familiar with linspire Feb 27 15:55:49 Crofton: long long time ago but we settled our differences Feb 27 15:55:55 good Feb 27 15:56:14 Crofton: I am not familiar with Eric Raymond Feb 27 15:56:35 gerwinin, that is a good thing :) Feb 27 15:56:56 apparently, when he switches distros, he creates a press release Feb 27 15:57:05 He's not as bad as RMS anyway Feb 27 15:57:19 Crofton: being myself a brabant redneck I oppose the usa rednecks :) Feb 27 15:57:20 RMS is not bad at all Feb 27 15:57:31 NAiL, that is debatable :) Feb 27 15:57:51 read rms' blog, the guy is offensive Feb 27 15:57:53 Well, ok, I'm biased. I sat down and had pizza with RMS. Feb 27 15:58:08 :) Feb 27 15:58:08 Zecke: I agree with RMS on many things but try to get him for an event it is a drag :) Feb 27 15:58:37 Zecke: I believe there is even a special how-to for that Feb 27 15:59:54 rms sets goals Feb 27 16:00:06 noble. pure goals Feb 27 16:00:15 A bit too extreme goals Feb 27 16:00:23 that we may not achieve, but it is important to have goals like that Feb 27 16:01:14 Crofton: well I think that we should all gather together to oppose the criminal behaviour of microsoft Feb 27 16:01:14 NAiL: if a president says he want to go to the moon, rms can say he wants a free piece of software running on his micro-computer Feb 27 16:01:21 yeah Feb 27 16:01:49 zecke: He has the freedom to write it himself ;) Feb 27 16:02:04 We should build an open source rocket Feb 27 16:02:05 Crofton: And living in the most bureaucratic closed source microsoft country in the world I know what that means Feb 27 16:02:15 NAiL: he did, see the Incompatible Time Sharing (ITS) System Feb 27 16:02:24 hehe Feb 27 16:02:43 NAiL: but then super computers died out, and UNIX was created Feb 27 16:03:06 at least I hope mickeyl starts to read the biography of rms ASAP... Feb 27 16:03:09 I agree a lot with RMS. But he is a bit extremist sometimes.. Feb 27 16:03:32 NAiL, I think most of use agree more with rms than disagree Feb 27 16:03:57 Nail: I think Eric Raymond is more extremist by calling a quarter of the world members of a deathwearing cult Feb 27 16:04:00 NAiL: at least you can expect rms to have a certain PointOfView Feb 27 16:04:24 ut oh, religion has entered #oe :-) Feb 27 16:04:36 hehe Feb 27 16:04:44 I am sorry I started the whole thing Feb 27 16:04:49 at least RMS only uses words and his purchases to put across his view Feb 27 16:04:59 I was just annoyed the whole thread hadn't died during fosdem Feb 27 16:05:13 hehe Feb 27 16:05:16 hehe Feb 27 16:05:46 Crofton: I was harassed by a french women about software patents Feb 27 16:05:52 lol Feb 27 16:06:07 I am not sure how I would take that :) Feb 27 16:06:16 is this good, or bad? Feb 27 16:06:56 Crofton: uuh bad because she trying to talk me into some action group , while we just shoot our politicians an email that they have to vote against Feb 27 16:07:08 gerwinin: heh heh, Im so glad I dont talk french Feb 27 16:07:49 Xora: in that sense that is an advantage Feb 27 16:08:37 Hmm, I need to hang my Euro SW patent poster up in my office Feb 27 16:09:57 Crofton: Well I am going to try to move out of this country so I will probarly hand them somewhere else Feb 27 16:10:08 madwifi patch to reincorporate the slugos patches: http://pasteserver.net/272 Feb 27 16:14:14 apaulsen: send a mail to the OE devel list larting the person who made that change Feb 27 16:14:26 apaulsen: that certainly makes the SlugOS builds work, but there's a possibility that whomever committed the breakage reverted rwhitby's changes because they wished to get rid of "wackelf" Feb 27 16:14:36 * koen is a bit done with larting people Feb 27 16:15:11 mwester: I understand, but this was discussed a week or so ago Feb 27 16:16:22 time to find a train home Feb 27 16:16:28 Yes. One wonders why this wasn't an issue then; IIRC the RFC was on the list for while but nobody commented that it would be a problem. Feb 27 16:16:35 ahhhhh another one Feb 27 16:17:47 If it's an immediate problem, I can commit a fix that would make it build again for all parties, but it would essentially completely revert rwhitby's cleanup. Feb 27 16:19:54 * mwester isn't going to lart anyone either; especially since the patches for the madwifi stuff are particularly horrible and awful to begin with. Feb 27 16:22:27 re Feb 27 16:23:05 * hrw larted and cursed nOKIA for 'so called nokia770 tablet' Feb 27 16:24:14 hrw: hi Feb 27 16:24:18 enough for today Feb 27 16:24:20 mr_nice|sfa3: go Feb 27 16:25:32 hrw: :). please integrate the patch from the bugreport 1873 and change the bzImage to zImage Feb 27 16:25:34 hrw, it's not like you paid for it :) Feb 27 16:27:10 Crofton: paid or not - complain about total lack of any service can happen Feb 27 16:27:38 Crofton: in worst situation I will be on blacklist 'do not give nokia products for him' Feb 27 16:28:30 don't burn bridges :) Feb 27 16:33:08 please someone have mercy and integrate the patch from bugrep 1873 Feb 27 16:38:31 * mr_nice|sfa3 is frustrate Feb 27 16:44:27 ok, nevermind my gcc-issues Feb 27 16:44:36 a fresh clean rebuild of everything seems to work Feb 27 16:49:00 I have a question about running a 2.6 kernel with an iPaq h3870, anyone have experience with this? Feb 27 16:52:19 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r6ff9d848... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux_2.6.20.bb): linux: fix KERNEL_IMAGETYPE for simpad Feb 27 17:04:04 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r9265af67... 10/ (1 packages/tslib/tslib_1.0.bb): tslib: Bump PR Feb 27 17:04:09 03florian 07org.oe.dev * rde4deac1... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): libim: Add patch to work around linking problem. Feb 27 17:04:14 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r9734d0f4... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux: update simpad switches patch Feb 27 17:05:18 gerwinin: I solved the editing problem Feb 27 17:14:15 apaulsen : Sorry about the breakage but madwifi is not used only by slugos Feb 27 17:16:50 Ifaistos: ok, so the cleanup by Mr Whitby on the 13th was repeverted on purpose? Feb 27 17:17:11 -repeverted +reverted Feb 27 17:18:02 what cleanup ? Feb 27 17:18:04 I'm building meta-opie and the build of libqpe-opie fails not being able to find -lqte, but I've done a build of qte. Any idea why? Feb 27 17:18:54 Ifaistos: did you see the oe dev mailing list conversation from the Feb 13th? Feb 27 17:19:34 apaulsen : Sorry can't say i remember it. wait a sec to have a look Feb 27 17:22:05 apaulsen : hmmm missed that. But i have not touched the slugos/xscale stuff with the last update Feb 27 17:23:09 apaulsen : the packaged is the newest rev availiable from madwifi.org and has some conf in order to compile for powerpc targets Feb 27 17:23:40 apaulsen : which now use 2.6.20 kernels Feb 27 17:24:22 Ifaistos: it actually looks like you applied your patches to a stale version of madwifi-r_ng.inc Feb 27 17:25:00 it exactly reverts Whitby's patch and adds yours Feb 27 17:25:05 * mwester notes that the build failures with the most recent commit also dropped the "wackelf" patch required by slugos/xscale Feb 27 17:25:17 2cu Feb 27 17:25:52 mwester: that's what I'm talking about, I think :) Feb 27 17:27:52 Your point about the reversion is correct as well -- the old code attempts to use patches that were renamed by rwhitby's change as well. Feb 27 17:29:37 I think the patch I posted earlier sorts it out, as long as Ifaistos can live with the wackelf patch Feb 27 17:30:02 In any case, it's easily made to work again, but the fix reverts all of the cleanup done recently. I can commit the minor correction, but I'm reluctant to do that if there is some larger issue here. Feb 27 17:31:44 Ifaistos: is the wackelf patch a problem for you? Feb 27 17:32:14 doesn't http://pasteserver.net/272 fix the cleanup again? Or did I miss something? Feb 27 17:32:57 It fixes it, but only if the wackelf patch is not a problem for Ifaistos' builds. Feb 27 17:33:53 ok, I'll be quiet then Feb 27 17:34:11 Now that I think about it, there's probably a more elegant way to express the different requirements, if different patch-sets are required. Feb 27 17:34:18 * mwester wishes he was better with bitbake Feb 27 17:34:40 ok. it seems its my mistake. Feb 27 17:35:00 the file i was working on did not have the changes by rwhitby Feb 27 17:35:25 i'll add them and try a madwifi-ng build Feb 27 17:36:04 but in general architecture or machine specific patches should be applied in that way Feb 27 17:36:32 Agreed. Perhaps we need to refactor the patches in some way. Feb 27 17:37:17 * mwester notes that the problem with the madwifi stuff is that the patches are not so much machine or arch dependent, but compiler version and compiler flag dependent, which makes it very difficult to handle. Feb 27 17:37:30 speaking of smarter patching, does this make sense: Feb 27 17:37:31 NOTE: Applying patch '10-xscale-be-elf-copts.patch' Feb 27 17:37:31 NOTE: Applying patch '10-xscale-le-elf-copts.patch' Feb 27 17:38:33 apaulsen: this depends Feb 27 17:39:11 I don't know the rules for proper patching - that's two patches for two different files, one each for endianness. They could be merged techncially, but perhaps not good style? Feb 27 17:39:51 I'm just wondering if it is correct to be applying both patches...is xScale dual endian? :) Feb 27 17:40:18 Yes, it can be - although we're only building one endianness at any one time. Feb 27 17:50:08 unfortunately the wackelf maked the build fail for powerpc and i assume for other arches also -> http://rafb.net/p/ndU1RY38.html Feb 27 17:51:20 I was afraid that might happen. Ok, that will still have to be conditional for slugos then. Something like: Feb 27 17:51:55 SRC_URI_slugos += "file://20-xscale-VFP-wackelf.patch;patch=1" Feb 27 17:52:23 I wonder if that would work to separate the general patches from the patches that don't play well with other builds? Feb 27 17:52:31 what's the best place to ask questions about building opie in OE? Feb 27 17:52:34 why slugos related? Feb 27 17:52:47 mwester: I would need that patch, but my slug doesn't run slugos Feb 27 17:57:10 is the website down? Feb 27 18:00:37 the wackelf patch is need by which archs ? Feb 27 18:00:55 koen, which group do you work with at utwente Feb 27 18:01:22 or is it xscale only ? Feb 27 18:01:39 Crofton: http://www.sas.el.utwente.nl/ Feb 27 18:02:15 anybody played with any UVC based usb webcams? Feb 27 18:02:20 Ifound that, Ilized yet wondering if you are more specias w Feb 27 18:02:57 Crofton: the ESP course is done by SAS and http://www.icd.el.utwente.nl/ Feb 27 18:03:40 ok, I found the sdr hw page also Feb 27 18:04:47 http://www.sas.el.utwente.nl/research/wireless_communication/software_defined_radio/ ? Feb 27 18:05:10 hey, I did a project on software defined radio! Feb 27 18:05:11 yep Feb 27 18:05:42 oxo, Where at? Feb 27 18:06:13 utwente Feb 27 18:06:25 any tips on building meta-opie? (h3800 with angstrom-oabi Feb 27 18:10:03 koen, the immediate problem I see with the hw is I can't find the price of the digital IO board :) Feb 27 18:10:33 :) Feb 27 18:16:32 MrJoel, http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpieWithAngstrom Feb 27 18:18:31 thanks, I'll give that a try and see how it goes! Feb 27 18:20:01 quick question - do I need to rebuild/clean qte, or can I add those lines and start building? Feb 27 18:21:25 MrJoel, you'll need to do a rebuild, but not now, but a bit later, when I'll commit QA fixes. Feb 27 18:22:28 sounds good, what's the timeline, and can I help with it? I'm doing a project for a Uni class and am hoping to build our own Opie package using OE Feb 27 18:23:53 MrJoel, timeline is few hours. As the page above mentions, OPIE could use some help with its maintenance, so any help is appreciated Feb 27 18:24:14 MrJoel, current top task after QA fixes is adding 1.2.3-pre Feb 27 18:25:48 great - on another note, what's the process for debugging a kernel boot - I'm trying to run 2.6.19-hh12 on a h3870, it builds and flashes, but after the "Uncompressing linux..." the LCD goes screwy Feb 27 18:29:18 MrJoel: how did you build that kernel? Feb 27 18:29:56 I have been building kernels and atm I am not further than getting a serial shell Feb 27 18:30:14 If your screen goes completely grey it means that the LCD is not activated Feb 27 18:31:40 I added the line "PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-handhelds-2.6_h3800 = "2.6.19-hh12"" to angstrom-2007.1.conf Feb 27 18:32:06 I am using h3800 machine and angstrom-oabi.conf which sets the version for h3600 but not h3800 Feb 27 18:32:44 I'll reflash the image and see what exactly happened, I think the LCD flickered instead of going completely dark - doing a soft reset got scrolling diagonal lines Feb 27 18:32:47 MrJoel: that explains why it probably built. h3600 seems to build, and will not boot at all on h3800 Feb 27 18:33:24 MrJoel: before you start, make sure you get in the bootloader and change the boot parameters Feb 27 18:33:28 ah, is 2.6 supported at all on the h3800? I saw a commit for angstrom-legacy, but in looking at the file, it didn't seem to do anything at the moment Feb 27 18:33:53 h3800 is not supported atm. I am trying to get it to work... Feb 27 18:33:54 hmmm, I've just been doing a 'load root', what other parameters do I need to change? Feb 27 18:34:33 ah, I figured the h3600 and h3800 were nearly the same since the h3800 uses alot of the 3600 drivers Feb 27 18:34:49 let me know if you need testing, etc Feb 27 18:35:26 so the bootstrap-image won't work with either 2.6.16 or 2.6.19 then? Feb 27 18:35:49 MrJoel: that is indeed what I am trying to find out... Feb 27 18:35:58 I have a booting kernel that goes to the shell. Feb 27 18:36:03 I've succesfully booted angstrom-bootstrap-image on h3600 few days ago Feb 27 18:36:06 * philippe struggels with the latest cvs Feb 27 18:36:25 but larger images (gpe) are too big to fit in ROM Feb 27 18:37:00 oxo: a gpe-image might fit in it too... Feb 27 18:37:14 how? Feb 27 18:37:35 for the h3600 most models have only 16MB flash which is a bit close, but for h3800 you have 32MB which works easily Feb 27 18:37:36 my angstrom-gpe-image is 18mb Feb 27 18:37:45 yeah, OK Feb 27 18:38:22 oxo: as angstrom has no real support for h3600 and h3800 that is not entirely surprising Feb 27 18:38:50 yep, 32MB flash, so the size is reasonable - is there something I can do here to get the shell and help you, or are you well on your way? Feb 27 18:38:55 phil: ack Feb 27 18:39:22 but I'm hard-headed, and wanted something newer than familiar 0.8.4 on my 3660, so I tried :-) Feb 27 18:39:30 0.8.4 is kinda buggy and old Feb 27 18:39:47 oxo: idd :-) Feb 27 18:40:27 (my main problem is the antique gpesyncd...) Feb 27 18:40:48 is there any OE/GPE-based image that actually runs on old stuff like h3600? Feb 27 18:42:19 psokolovsky_ got the image size down to just under 16mb last week Feb 27 18:42:36 MrJoel: http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/kernel-discuss/26/2689.html Feb 27 18:44:03 philippe: great, I'll give it a go - did you base your config on the regular defconfig? Feb 27 18:44:14 koen, nice! one funky thing I noticed is that h4000's release image is smaller than h3600's %). didn't yet figure why Feb 27 18:44:23 yep, but I had to leave some stuff out that did no compile Feb 27 18:44:53 ok, the only changes I've had to make was disbling h4000 support, then others compiled Feb 27 18:46:19 MrJoel: If this helps you on the way, let me know :-) Feb 27 18:49:10 will do, it'll be about an hour before I get a change, will you be around? Feb 27 18:58:52 Hello. Feb 27 19:00:16 hi sirfred Feb 27 19:03:11 * kergoth is determined to get oe emitting a better "distribution" for mingw32+msys.. ipkg install would kick ass for a windows dev env, rather than unpacking tarballs Feb 27 19:04:01 koen, got a sec? Feb 27 19:04:27 sure Feb 27 19:04:35 * koen starts clock Feb 27 19:04:39 * koen stops clock Feb 27 19:04:41 heh Feb 27 19:05:11 hihi Feb 27 19:05:38 thanks. i've now got two pretty similar machines building one distro. so, should i now "inherit multimachine" in the distro ?? Feb 27 19:05:59 yeah, that makes stuff a lot easier Feb 27 19:06:18 should i trash my tmp dir and start over once i make this change? Feb 27 19:06:38 I'd recommend that anyway Feb 27 19:06:59 okay. Feb 27 19:08:10 i'm also throwing in some vars in the machine.conf that are picked up in the image.bb file, sound reasonable? there are some minor diffs between them. Feb 27 19:08:40 i should have said, the two machine.confs Feb 27 19:18:15 RP: have you seen a LCD that is configured using SPI? Feb 27 19:18:31 Zecke: yes Feb 27 19:18:49 Zecke: although i2c is more common Feb 27 19:20:54 is it expected that bitbake's -p option, to just parse the files, doesnt function when not specifying a provider to build? Feb 27 19:21:20 * kergoth peruses that code Feb 27 19:21:28 kergoth: sound like a bug Feb 27 19:21:46 -p probably isnt used that often, i just wanted to build with -D, but didnt care to see the debug output during the parse :) Feb 27 19:22:00 so figured i'd bitbake -p, then do the build with -D Feb 27 19:22:47 hi Feb 27 19:23:05 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r6415ce72... 10/ (1 classes/opie.bbclass): Feb 27 19:23:05 opie.bbclass: Add coomon locations of OPIE .debug dirs to -dbg filelist. Feb 27 19:23:05 * Fixes insane.bbclass QA errors. Feb 27 19:23:13 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rd78ab223... 10/ (1 packages/opie-handwriting/opie-handwriting.inc): opie-handwriting: Fix packaging. Feb 27 19:23:42 hmm, i wonder if i still have write access. have a fix for bitbake not allowing a directory in BBFILES Feb 27 19:24:15 if you have your mtn key you still have write access Feb 27 19:24:16 * kergoth likes it not having to expand the glob into a massive string Feb 27 19:24:23 (for */*.bb) Feb 27 19:24:25 I don't think we ever revoked access Feb 27 19:24:32 unless someone misplaces their key Feb 27 19:24:34 hmm.. maybe i have it somewhere Feb 27 19:24:35 kergoth: sure, you can commit to berlios Feb 27 19:24:36 * kergoth fires off a find Feb 27 19:24:42 k Feb 27 19:29:13 03kergoth * r763 10bitbake/lib/bb/cooker.py: Feb 27 19:29:13 Bitbake: cooker.py: Fix find_bbfiles. Previously, an attempt to put a path to a Feb 27 19:29:13 directory (not a glob of the .bb files) in BBFILES would fail, as it was calling Feb 27 19:29:13 out 'find' but not chomping off the newlines from the find output. Now it's Feb 27 19:29:13 using os.walk() to populate the list instead. Feb 27 20:00:35 hi Feb 27 20:01:37 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * re10f95bb... 10/ (1 classes/base.bbclass): base.bbclass: Add base_less_or_equal(): perform comparison fo integer/floating point values for <=. Feb 27 20:01:42 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r9e8c127f... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): Feb 27 20:01:42 angstrom-2007.1.conf: Don't install "real" locales for 16Mb- flash devices at all. Feb 27 20:01:42 * It seems that 16Mb of flash are just too little to have any real locale at all. Feb 27 20:01:42 Well, "C" locale rules anyway. Feb 27 20:01:43 * Uses newly introduced @base_less_or_equal() to do the check. Feb 27 20:02:00 RFC on base_less_or_equal() ^^^ was sent to the list Feb 27 20:02:29 hi all Feb 27 20:02:33 he mr nice Feb 27 20:02:38 sorry for being so nice -20 Feb 27 20:02:42 hi woglinde Feb 27 20:02:51 * rwhitby looks up base_less_or_equal for nslu2 8MB flash needs ... Feb 27 20:03:03 hrw: thx for integrating Feb 27 20:03:07 is monotone required for bitbake? Feb 27 20:03:12 zecke: thx for the suggestion Feb 27 20:03:32 besides that it looks simple enough to be correct Feb 27 20:03:42 zecke: I have changed the driver. here is the new one (http://pastebin.ca/374792) Feb 27 20:03:49 monsti: no Feb 27 20:03:57 zecke: Is it like you thought? Feb 27 20:04:08 looking at it now Feb 27 20:04:18 zecke: thx Feb 27 20:04:35 lrg: hey, you might want to add some of your thoughts on alsa mixer switching to the mail RP just posted on ohm-devel :) Feb 27 20:04:43 rwhitby: bitbake is much like portage? Feb 27 20:04:52 mr_nice: I won't put key on the stack Feb 27 20:05:05 rwhitby: there is one main dir with ebuild that can be part of some version control system? Feb 27 20:05:10 monsti: I have no knowledge of portage. Feb 27 20:05:11 mr_nice: declare the array outside the function Feb 27 20:05:39 rwhitby: how does bitbake work? there is one dir with ebuild? Feb 27 20:05:40 zecke: ok - thx Feb 27 20:05:56 but it looks a lot simpler now?! Feb 27 20:05:57 monsti: there are no ebuilds Feb 27 20:06:04 bitbake isn't g3nt00 Feb 27 20:06:09 monsti: have you read the bitbake manual? Feb 27 20:06:15 zecke: yes :) many thx Feb 27 20:06:33 rwhitby: yes i was just asking for the captions in the manual (the big letters) Feb 27 20:06:34 I'm glad you work on it Feb 27 20:06:57 zecke: I want to have it complete :) Feb 27 20:06:59 when I run 'bitbake linux-rp_2.6.20' I get the error ERROR: Nothing provides dependency linux-rp_2.6.20 Feb 27 20:07:10 is there a way to make it compile? Feb 27 20:07:22 zecke: but as you can see I am a C newbie Feb 27 20:07:34 summatusmentis: remove everything from '_' onwards Feb 27 20:07:46 at least you try and this is the important thing Feb 27 20:07:52 summatusmentis: 'bitbake virtual/kernel' Feb 27 20:08:16 so just bitbake linux-rp Feb 27 20:08:29 what koen said is better Feb 27 20:08:43 ok, I just want to look at the source, see if I can figure out what's going on, and maybe try and work on the collie sd driver Feb 27 20:08:56 zecke: also it makes fun :) Feb 27 20:09:21 mr_nice: is the device waking up? Feb 27 20:09:49 robtaylor: i'll subscribe now - it's been a busy few days for me Feb 27 20:10:10 Epia with mythfrontimage builds well but it seems we are missing some parts of mythtv and aigxl needs to be turned off in xorg.conf Feb 27 20:10:32 zecke: unfortunately I didn't found time to check it a second. but I will work on it as soon as possible. Feb 27 20:10:56 zecke: It is importent that it will wake up Feb 27 20:11:17 lrg: fedorabrokemykey@openembedded.org is still available ;) Feb 27 20:11:34 mr_nice: and actually it should just wake up Feb 27 20:11:39 koen: heh :) Feb 27 20:12:05 lrg: I offer private key hosting for only 100 Euro a month Feb 27 20:12:13 zecke: I hope it will :) Feb 27 20:13:13 zecke: heh, i can only afford 99 euro a month ;) Feb 27 20:13:29 lrg: I would even accept other currencies Feb 27 20:13:55 lrg: I can go down to as low as 80 euro if you book for 6 month Feb 27 20:14:01 zecke: even scottish money? Feb 27 20:14:11 even scottish money Feb 27 20:14:55 zecke, koen: heh ;) Feb 27 20:17:11 mr_nice my simpadconf changes -> http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/~heinold/simpad-conf.diff Feb 27 20:17:21 but isnt really tested Feb 27 20:17:57 are there any ixp4xx devices supported by OE that have more than 6MB of flash space for the rootfs partition? Feb 27 20:18:20 doesn't the loft have 12MB? Feb 27 20:19:02 ah, yes, the Loft. nas100d and dsmg600 has 16MB flash too. Feb 27 20:19:12 woglinde: cool :) - I will test it thx Feb 27 20:19:13 I guess I'll set ixp4xx to 12 and nslu2 to 6. Feb 27 20:19:20 (both with ?=) Feb 27 20:20:40 lrg: cool :) Feb 27 20:20:56 hi all. I need an example of an oe package that is using svn as a source (not a tarball or cvs). Feb 27 20:21:03 robtaylor: you can even use OHM as a zen-chant Feb 27 20:21:21 osas: grep -rn svn packages/*/*.bb Feb 27 20:21:50 I have only a slug 3.10 repo and I don't think that I have one with svn there ... Feb 27 20:21:56 I will double check ... Feb 27 20:22:28 koen: heh:) Feb 27 20:25:31 hm Feb 27 20:25:34 ERROR: QA issue: libSDL.la failed sanity test (reference to workdir or installed) Feb 27 20:25:42 should mention the complete path Feb 27 20:26:07 btw is it possible to disable the QA stuff locally somehow? Feb 27 20:26:38 Jin^eLD: sure, delete the INHERIT += "insane" line Feb 27 20:26:45 ahh, ok, thanks Feb 27 20:27:02 Jin^eLD: this should be in some of the ansgtrom distro files Feb 27 20:27:16 roger that Feb 27 20:27:40 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r4e303954... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): nslu2{l,b]e.conf, ixp4xx.conf: Set ROOT_FLASH_SIZE to 6 and 12MB respectively (allowing override in local.conf). Feb 27 20:29:09 robtaylor: RP has done a great job on the zaurus and this shows in his email. I'll try and add a little more on the audio and low level PMIC stuff tomorrow. I also still have to add some stuff to the wiki, probably later in the week as I've got lost of admin todo atm. Feb 27 20:29:48 lots Feb 27 20:32:53 lrg: rock :) Feb 27 20:33:13 lrg: I had a talk with the two people teaching embedded signal processing, who were raving about wolfson being such a great company :) Feb 27 20:34:03 koen: at fosdem ? Feb 27 20:34:09 no, at the uni Feb 27 20:34:15 ah, cool :) Feb 27 20:34:21 I had to reschedule a exam Feb 27 20:34:27 an* Feb 27 20:35:06 hi mrdata Feb 27 20:35:35 hi woglinde, hi all Feb 27 20:35:37 lrg: (sorry for disturbing) I finally managed to get ak4535 driver working:). But I had to do one change to soc-dapm.c ... Feb 27 20:36:14 mmp: cool, can you send patch ? Feb 27 20:36:25 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r6f7f5150... 10/ (1 packages/madwifi/madwifi-ng_r.inc): packages/madwifi/madwifi-ng_r.inc: Revert the xscale specific changes back Feb 27 20:36:36 lrg: soc-dapm.c is one-liner;) Feb 27 20:37:07 robtaylor: Both lrg and myself did work on ASoC and the results were put in zaurusd ;-) Feb 27 20:37:21 hey Richard :) Feb 27 20:37:45 mmp: any other files ? Feb 27 20:38:16 hi Liam :) Feb 27 20:39:08 RP: I trust you got back ok, we went to "Rhum Rhum" and drank beer ;) Feb 27 20:39:20 lrg: In a minute, I just extracted the soc-dapm patch:) It Feb 27 20:39:35 ... is at handhelds.org/~mmp/soc-dapm-update-switches.patch Feb 27 20:39:43 lrg: Yes, fine thanks. I heard rumours about what you were up to :) Feb 27 20:41:19 RP: nothing bad I hope - it was robtaylor and koen who were leading us all astray ;) Feb 27 20:41:48 :D Feb 27 20:42:30 lrg: I heard you went to bed early ;-) Feb 27 20:43:18 I should probably have done that instead of staying up late, ending up with clothes reaking of smoke and a sore throat on Friday night :/ Feb 27 20:43:37 lrg: about the other files - I'm discussing few changes (made and wanting to be made:) with RP, I'll post ak4535 patch a bit later. Feb 27 20:44:07 RP: I guess I'm now too used to smoke free pubs in Scotland now. Feb 27 20:44:20 lrg: I've suggested mmp email us both the patch he has along with an explaination of the changes... Feb 27 20:44:30 lrg: I can't wait for that to happen here... Feb 27 20:45:10 mmp: please email RP and I as I've just got a 404 from hh.org Feb 27 20:51:01 koen: RP: whoever it was thanks for the pcf and gta hint Feb 27 20:51:05 and good night Feb 27 20:51:36 lrg: typo:) try once again please:) Feb 27 20:51:40 * koen vaguely recalls something about pcf and gta Feb 27 20:51:48 but I bet RP gave the hint :) Feb 27 20:52:01 * RP doesn't know what pcf and gta refers to... Feb 27 20:52:21 I suspect the greenphone uses the same power IC as the neo Feb 27 20:52:30 otherwise zecke doesn't make sense Feb 27 20:52:43 right (well I do not make sense) Feb 27 20:53:01 but still power IC is the right relation for the pcfSOMENUMBER Feb 27 20:53:51 koen: Ah, I said they seemed to use the same chip Feb 27 20:54:06 hehe Feb 27 20:56:16 there we are, have a mingw gcc-cross. progress. Feb 27 20:56:31 kergoth: next step: arm-wince-pe ? Feb 27 20:57:09 hehe Feb 27 20:57:25 i just want a sane windows development environment, you'd think that wouldnt be too much to ask, but.. Feb 27 20:57:32 :) Feb 27 20:58:24 re Feb 27 20:58:31 "sane windows development environment" -- can such a thing exist? Feb 27 20:58:54 i doubt it, but i strive nonetheless Feb 27 20:58:56 mmp: got it thanks. will review tomorrow as I'm tired now. thanks :) Feb 27 20:59:01 contradiction in terms :) Feb 27 20:59:28 Ifaistos: btw, the OLPC keynote reference an athens wireless initiative Feb 27 20:59:29 i'll be content with vim and a sane mingw/msys environment, and a decent windows terminal (no, rxvt doesnt count) Feb 27 21:00:41 koen : really ? i know the local LUG has a few machines and is working on it, but nothing more Feb 27 21:00:59 Ifaistos: they showed an antenna array Feb 27 21:01:20 with jg saying "this is somewhere in athens" Feb 27 21:04:19 Ifaistos: It looked like a photo I think I've seen on one of your sites before Feb 27 21:05:34 we have *lots* of antennas installed -> http://info.awmn.net/users/cpg/index.php?cat=2&page=1 Feb 27 21:05:50 is there any video of presentation ? Feb 27 21:11:13 Ifaistos: One will perhaps appear in due course, I'm not sure Feb 27 21:24:52 Ifaistos: http://ftp.belnet.be/mirrors/FOSDEM/2007 Feb 27 21:29:21 thanks Feb 27 21:56:19 when using multimachine, how do i treat conf/auto.conf?? Feb 27 21:56:32 treat? Feb 27 21:57:09 okay, got me. do i just edit and replace MACHINE=x with MACHINE=y to build y? Feb 27 21:57:31 yep Feb 27 21:57:39 hey, simple. thanks kergoth. Feb 27 21:58:17 as long as machine is defined, it doesnt matter where. you could just as easily do it in local.conf. its commonly done ina uto.conf when there's an autobuilder involved, so when switching machines you dont have to parse out the rest of the local.conf, just change the one line Feb 27 21:58:42 kergoth: MACHINE=xyz bitbake something works now too :) Feb 27 22:03:43 really? well, that's neat. thanks RP. Feb 27 22:04:03 now, to figure out how to convert to task-*.... Feb 27 22:17:02 hi Feb 27 22:20:53 hi CoreDump|home Feb 27 23:07:21 hms QA fails on all opie packages Feb 27 23:08:05 woglinde: IIRC, they're not maintained Feb 27 23:08:50 hm yeah its dbg packages Feb 27 23:09:04 but this should fix it Feb 27 23:09:05 http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/diff.psp?id1=b5baf49fc7cdce9f5faaa2e3303b691a5a10b339&id2=6415ce72a0ba780a3a77c4cfcb3189d6cf8ddd0a Feb 27 23:10:11 hm Feb 27 23:10:21 didnt get it with the update Feb 27 23:11:39 ah now I have the changes Feb 27 23:21:55 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r457771c2... 10/ (1 packages/madwifi/madwifi-ng_r.inc): madwifi-ng: Make the wackelf patch conditional on ixp4xx Feb 27 23:22:32 Ifaistos: please see if that works for non-ixp4xx archs Feb 27 23:41:13 i saw the note from hrw, regarding: Feb 27 23:41:22 mmc: Add support for SDHC cards Feb 27 23:42:08 is it working already? or still needs implementation? Feb 27 23:56:18 ~convert 500 aud to nok Feb 28 00:03:47 did the DSMG600 RevA have a fan? Feb 28 00:03:57 oops, wrong channel. sorry. Feb 28 00:26:21 dspencek: I hit the same makekeys problem in x11 today, this patch seems to fix it: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2006-June/015784.html Feb 28 01:12:53 hrw|gone: congrats to the N770 =) Feb 28 01:34:32 http://www.flickr.com/photos/32615155@N00/405228461/in/set-72157594561002629/ Feb 28 01:41:05 Crofton: nice, thx. Feb 28 01:42:41 there are hundreds of fosdem pictures on flickr Feb 28 01:42:50 ok Feb 28 01:42:55 maybe not that many Feb 28 01:44:54 657 actually, I got stuck in one guys photostream Feb 28 02:00:51 hi guys, should I be using gcc 3.X on my builds? Feb 28 02:01:43 donato_home: That kind of depends...what branch and what machine are you trying to build for? Feb 28 02:03:42 im building for a rx3000 Feb 28 02:03:56 more specifically an ipaq rx3715 Feb 28 02:04:25 the branch is org.openembedded.dev Feb 28 02:04:59 I came up with an error message saying It is recommended i use gcc 3,5 Feb 28 02:05:37 3,X **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 28 03:00:00 2007