**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 05 02:59:56 2007 Apr 05 02:59:57 jacques: whole bunch of ARM7TDMI plugin boards talking over SPI to a linux host. Apr 05 03:00:23 jacques: I told them that I could do it... heh Apr 05 03:00:43 jacques: mostly learning this stuff as I go along! Apr 05 03:01:17 jacques: you like the PPC? Apr 05 03:04:58 yeah it's OK. I had to do platform support for u-boot and the kernel for this board Apr 05 03:05:26 different from ARM, but still fun :-) Apr 05 03:09:54 jacques: cul, I've got to get out of here. go look for a diner that is open and get some pie-ala-mode maybe. Apr 05 03:10:59 T0mW`gone, have a good one! Apr 05 03:14:06 night Apr 05 06:16:48 morning all Apr 05 06:17:19 RP: Thanks will have a look at it Apr 05 06:59:12 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * ra0d36842... 10/ (17 files in 4 dirs): Apr 05 06:59:12 perl: Rearrange the patches/files a bit. Move the 5.8.4 specific Apr 05 06:59:12 patches out of the common directory and only specify common files in Apr 05 06:59:12 the SRC_URI in perl.inc, move the others to the version specific Apr 05 06:59:13 .bb's. Apr 05 06:59:18 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * rdf0c1316... 10/ (1 packages/perl/perl_5.8.7.bb): Apr 05 06:59:18 perl 5.8.7: Simplify the addition of patches to support gcc for linking and Apr 05 06:59:19 using PIC for compiling shared libraries. Apr 05 06:59:23 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r3e9ca146... 10/ (1 packages/perl/perl.inc packages/perl/perl_5.8.4.bb): Apr 05 06:59:23 perl: Move the do_configure from perl.inc into perl_5.8.4.bb since it is Apr 05 06:59:25 only really useful for this version of perl the way it's written. Apr 05 07:03:28 good morning Apr 05 07:04:57 Morning Apr 05 07:23:26 xserver-xorg wants glproto.pc where can i get this tobe build ? Apr 05 07:24:06 Is it part of a glx package? Apr 05 07:26:24 i cant find glx at all Apr 05 07:26:34 glproto, xserver-xorg should depend on it Apr 05 07:27:04 pH5, yeah it does but where is glproto made ? i am building by hand without image Apr 05 07:27:20 i need a proper xorg dev env to test a new i810 driver code Apr 05 07:27:47 xorg-proto/glproto_1.4.8.bb Apr 05 07:27:57 we should add that as a dependency for xserver-xorg >= 1.2 Apr 05 07:28:08 ah thanks Apr 05 07:29:30 rob_w: actually, it depends on glproto already. I wonder why it didn't build that for you Apr 05 07:30:02 i did -b Apr 05 07:30:15 ah, ok. I guess everything is alright then. Apr 05 07:30:46 is there a way to bitbake a package with its dependancy`S without buidling a image ? Apr 05 07:31:19 bitbake Apr 05 07:31:33 uh , just like that Apr 05 07:32:57 wow i never knew that .. man Apr 05 07:40:18 * koen has a look at http://opensource.freescale.com/git?p=linux-2.6-mx.git;a=summary Apr 05 07:42:41 03koen 07org.oe.dev * re9d0f721... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): openmoko: remove some more proto=https entries Apr 05 07:53:34 morning Apr 05 07:54:57 hey sirfred Apr 05 07:57:14 hi all Apr 05 08:00:59 I'm running into trouble trying to build primstumbler. I suspect the staged kernel headers are not the ones it would like to find. My staged version.h seems to be 2.6.14 Apr 05 08:02:11 sirfred: which prismstumbler? the 0.7.4pre doesn't build Apr 05 08:02:18 koen: That one. Apr 05 08:02:39 koen: So, I need to set a PREFERRED_VERSION for that one? Apr 05 08:03:04 sirfred: http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/diff.psp?id1=8510ca2d252bd3a25be82a66db08fd6f0e626ee3&id2=458c1e5b4ce9ec5e2754fea2e5c1df842fe9936c&fname=conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf :) Apr 05 08:03:54 koen: Thanks. :) . Perhaps something similar should be needed for openzaurus 3.5.5 Apr 05 08:03:55 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra0fa24a1... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): sysvinit/inittab: if your machine ships the *exact* *same* inittab as sysvinit/inittab it isn't machine specific, so remove it Apr 05 08:04:16 sirfred: didn't marcin decide to not release 3.5.5? Apr 05 08:04:23 koen: Had no idea. Apr 05 08:04:28 or rather, make it collie only Apr 05 08:04:33 * koen looks at hrw|gone Apr 05 08:04:35 koen: When that happened? Apr 05 08:04:59 koen: Did that changeset account for the different serial line options on machines? Apr 05 08:06:48 RP: all the machines I know off with a different serial line option, don't ship have their own entry in sysvinit/ Apr 05 08:08:06 I'm running bitbake 1.6.2 and wonder if newer versions have improved parsing of the bb files. That takes ages on my machine. Apr 05 08:08:37 Just guessing, don't know if that part could actually be improved. Apr 05 08:08:44 the 1.8.x branch is loads faster Apr 05 08:08:47 XorA: good morning! Apr 05 08:08:56 morning koen Apr 05 08:08:58 morning all Apr 05 08:09:04 XorA: Morning Apr 05 08:10:28 koen: Is it stable enough for daily usage? Apr 05 08:11:43 yes Apr 05 08:11:53 it's the bitbake stable branch :) Apr 05 08:11:59 1.9.x isn't for daily usage Apr 05 08:14:13 RP: only schurig's machines use custom inittabs, and I'm not sure if they are still maintained in OE Apr 05 08:16:54 yo sirfred Apr 05 08:21:51 koen: Yes of course it ships exact the same inittab, but thats because you have edited it and removed our content in it. Apr 05 08:22:49 Humm, gpe-conf suffers the same error that prismstumbler. It seems that everyone including linux/wireless.h dies. Apr 05 08:23:29 goxboxlive: no, that was florian Apr 05 08:24:10 AFAIR: He added it, you removed it Apr 05 08:24:24 mtn log --no-merges on that file only shows commits by florian Apr 05 08:25:19 goxboxlive: http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=5c865738b86de25a1967c923136fa0cc3cb3e3f7 Apr 05 08:25:31 please check your facts before you start accusing people Apr 05 08:28:04 koen: I remember florian added it for me. It might be that he removed it again, but that was because you didnt approved it. Apr 05 08:28:20 riiiiiiiight Apr 05 08:28:31 it's all the fault of evil koen Apr 05 08:28:39 first I committed Apr 05 08:28:41 then I didn't Apr 05 08:28:49 then I forced florian to do it Apr 05 08:28:57 which I didn't Apr 05 08:29:56 evil koen didnt come out of my mounth, but why do you think i asked you if we could commit it again. Otherwise i would have asked florian, right? Apr 05 08:30:29 ask florian why he removed to fix something Apr 05 08:30:37 koen: But never mind, i can still use my local diff. Never mind. Apr 05 08:31:23 it looks like it broke something, so we'd need to know why florian removed it Apr 05 08:31:32 Humm, it seems that there's not gst-ffmpeg recipe in oe, true? Apr 05 08:32:24 hmm latest xorg drivers need pciaccess.pc Apr 05 08:33:54 sirfred: probably not Apr 05 08:34:15 does default kernel config turn on that many vt? Apr 05 08:34:46 XorA: Any known reason? Is there any other gst codec mp4 capable? Apr 05 08:34:54 XorA: iirc psokolovsky turned them off to speed up udev booting Apr 05 08:35:25 sirfred: try using this one: http://svn.o-hand.com/view/poky/trunk/meta/packages/gstreamer/gst-ffmpeg_0.10.1.bb?rev=836&view=auto Apr 05 08:35:37 koen: Thanks. Apr 05 08:36:05 sirfred: I guess because no-one stole it from poky yet :-) Apr 05 08:36:11 :) Apr 05 08:36:13 XorA: Good reason. :) Apr 05 08:36:27 That is going to change. ;) Apr 05 08:37:03 morning Apr 05 08:37:03 sirfred: with your Xv drivers gst would go nice with a decent mp4 decoder Apr 05 08:37:28 ~lart my wrt54 Apr 05 08:37:28 * ibot hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at my wrt54 Apr 05 08:37:40 hrw: what you broke? Apr 05 08:37:47 XorA: That's what I want to test. Just a gst-launch test Apr 05 08:38:09 sirfred: I cant test your Xv niceness at moment, I have to have Cacko on my C860 :-( Apr 05 08:38:38 XorA: And then, look for a decent gui, or try to port an existing one. Or when canola gets open. Apr 05 08:38:44 XorA: hmm.. good question Apr 05 08:39:06 XorA: No problem, but it seems you're the only interested into xv support. Apr 05 08:39:13 And me, of course. :) Apr 05 08:39:30 sirfred: maybe we watch too much pr0n :-) Apr 05 08:39:42 my c760 is shell only arm testing device Apr 05 08:39:45 hrw: Good morning. Apr 05 08:39:47 XorA: :) Apr 05 08:40:11 hrw: Is openzaurus-3.5.5 abandoned? Apr 05 08:40:32 sirfred: more or less Apr 05 08:40:58 sirfred: nearly no one reports any problems with building it, I do not have time to check how good/bad it is too Apr 05 08:41:31 hrw: Well, most of the bug I reported lately were related with 3.5.5 build issues. Apr 05 08:43:14 I was able to build gpe-image on 3.5.5. There are some bugs, but haven't have time to look at them Apr 05 08:44:34 I failed on minibrowser deps Apr 05 08:45:03 koen: still here? Apr 05 08:46:23 What about this one, will this one be approved? Or do you still refuse to add thoose two modules? http://pastebin.ca/425138 (also notice i have added phone to MACHINE FEUTURE.) Apr 05 08:46:38 hrw: It worked for me today, with 0.20+svn20070405-r0 Apr 05 08:47:57 hrw: Perhaps bug 2038 is related? Apr 05 08:48:33 goxboxlive: I think those ir modules should go into taskbase Apr 05 08:49:41 I agree, we talked about it for a while ago and you said you would take a look at it, but i cant see that it has happend. You where talking about cleaning up task-base. Apr 05 08:49:53 sirfred: iirc yes Apr 05 08:50:15 afk - breakfast Apr 05 08:50:18 hrw: I attached a patch to that bug Apr 05 08:50:28 goxboxlive: hrw was going to clean up task-base :) Apr 05 08:50:49 ok Apr 05 08:51:04 goxboxlive: could you and pH5 brainstorm what stuff needs to go into the 'phone' feature? Apr 05 08:51:05 Should i just add the modules under : task-base-irda-rrecommends = ? Apr 05 08:51:21 Yes we are working on it. Apr 05 08:51:25 koen: gsmd Apr 05 08:54:50 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0b0ff0fe... 10/ (1 conf/machine/htcuniversal.conf): htcuniversal: add phone feature Apr 05 08:54:54 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rdfdda7c5... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-base.bb): task-base: add sir-dev and irtty-sir (suggested by goxboxlive) Apr 05 08:55:30 thx koen Apr 05 08:55:46 np Apr 05 08:57:37 hrw: Isn't bug 1296 a WONTFIX? Apr 05 08:57:50 good morning Apr 05 08:58:30 btw, bugdays this weekend? Apr 05 08:58:33 hey florian Apr 05 08:58:37 koen: I have http://en.pastebin.ca/425153, but that could be a problem for gpephone, which wants to use phoneserver instead of gsmd. Apr 05 08:59:14 hrw: which gpe-mini-browser dep failed? Apr 05 08:59:52 koen: While you are on it, could you commit this one as weel: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2083 Apr 05 09:01:23 goxboxlive: what's the euro being replaced with? Apr 05 09:01:49 it seems the patch is missing a "+altgr keycode 18 = " Apr 05 09:01:52 Koen: with bar / pipe | Apr 05 09:02:34 * koen realize he knows nothing of keymaps Apr 05 09:02:54 goxboxlive: you'd have to ask someone with knowledge of keymaps to commit that Apr 05 09:02:58 e.g. CoreDump|afk Apr 05 09:03:53 koen: euro (€) where not supported so we have just removed it. But pipe (| like in ls -la | grep "file" ) was missing from the keymaps so we shoud just have it added so it's not missing. Apr 05 09:05:20 goxboxlive: and could you attach patches to bugzilla instead of pasting them online Apr 05 09:05:34 bugzilla whitespace damages inline patches Apr 05 09:05:36 yes Apr 05 09:05:40 ok Apr 05 09:06:07 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * rb180e055... 10/ (10 files in 5 dirs): Apr 05 09:06:07 libgsmd: experimental plugin infrastructure for magician and universal Apr 05 09:06:07 - subject to change Apr 05 09:06:30 goxboxlive: can you check this is correct for universal? Apr 05 09:11:48 ~oebug 2038 Apr 05 09:11:51 !oebug 2038 Apr 05 09:11:53 * * Bug 2038, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-03-23 16:38 Apr 05 09:11:54 * * manuel.teira(AT)telefonica.net: gtk-webcore (osb-nrcore_0.5.0.bb) doesn't compile against gtk+2.6.10 Apr 05 09:11:55 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2038 Apr 05 09:21:05 sirfred|afk, hrw: http://gtk-webcore.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/gtk-webcore?view=rev&revision=55 ? Apr 05 09:22:42 koen: for 2038? Apr 05 09:22:55 yes, but it's something else Apr 05 09:23:29 cbrake: Mike has submitted some more cm270 patches for mainlining :) Apr 05 09:25:15 I think that I will try newer webcore Apr 05 09:35:52 NAiL: which Gbit NAS would you recommend? Apr 05 09:39:01 koen: for what use? :) Apr 05 09:39:13 looking for something cheap, or powerful? Apr 05 09:39:18 silent? Apr 05 09:39:25 doing NFS/SMB via gbit in a silent way Apr 05 09:39:39 preferably with >1 disk Apr 05 09:40:24 >1 disk... Thecus N2100 + 1 40mm fan Apr 05 09:40:34 I clicked on http://www.mobile-harddisk.nl/netwerk-opslag-c-67.html and went WTF?!? Apr 05 09:42:25 The thecus n2100 is a 600mhz arm, with a 128mb ddr400 ram-stick (replaceable up to 512mb). 2xs-ata, 2xgblan, minipci. Apr 05 09:42:44 sounds pretty perfect Apr 05 09:43:02 standard rs232 serial port Apr 05 09:43:18 my amd 1800+ with 8x80 gbyte is getting a bit too noise after 3 years Apr 05 09:43:24 arg... Apr 05 09:43:25 noisy* Apr 05 09:43:33 It runs foonas as soon as I get around to attaching mine to my desktop. It also runs debian. Apr 05 09:43:57 * XorA needs the cash for a thecus as well Apr 05 09:44:40 misplacing my drivers license set the "new NAS" fund back €115 :( Apr 05 09:44:40 how do i select the tool used for merging with newer monotone versions? Apr 05 09:44:48 koen: You definitely want to replace the 40mm fan though. The default one is noisy. Eg. a papst fan is fine. Apr 05 09:45:07 NAiL: ok, thanks for the advice Apr 05 09:45:17 NAiL: and I'll probably run foonas on it :) Apr 05 09:45:21 wtf? qnap ts-201 is more expensive than n2100? Apr 05 09:45:39 Do not shell out for a ts-201 :-P Apr 05 09:46:16 I just picked the webshop that had the cheapest n2100 :) Apr 05 09:47:09 morning likewise Apr 05 09:47:14 hey likewise Apr 05 09:47:20 morning NAiL, koen et al! Apr 05 09:47:52 koen: could you do me a favour when you get the device? Take a backup of the flash? I need the original flash so I can make a firmware that installs foonas via the webinterface. Apr 05 09:48:09 NAiL: when I get one, I will Apr 05 09:48:19 which won't be in the next two months Apr 05 09:48:32 (unless I win something in the lottery) Apr 05 09:48:34 heh, ok Apr 05 09:49:46 foonas is binary compatible with angstrom at the moment? Apr 05 09:50:10 it includes include/angstrom.conf Apr 05 09:50:18 339 euro.. Apr 05 09:50:18 so it really should be close ;) Apr 05 09:51:31 Does OE support setting an image size (IMAGE_SIZE) so that ROM images are padded out? (I currently just define --pad=0xwhatever for jffs2 for example) Apr 05 09:52:14 rwhitby: you use RHEL4 - right? can you share information where to get quite recent git for it? Apr 05 09:52:14 likewise: not that I know off Apr 05 09:52:37 koen: OK Apr 05 09:52:41 likewise: in the past we did "different images params == different machine" Apr 05 09:53:42 hrw: http://www.karan.org/ Apr 05 09:53:49 git-1.4.4.2-2.el4.kb Apr 05 09:54:40 Hmmm, jffs2 support uses the CVS-of-the-day for mkfs.jffs2. Apr 05 09:55:57 hi mickeyl Apr 05 09:56:01 Hi mickeyl, rwhitby Apr 05 09:56:07 hi likewise Apr 05 09:56:08 hey mickeyl Apr 05 09:56:36 cheers guys Apr 05 09:57:32 mickeyl: the memory effecient hal got release, so you might want to try 0.5.9 on openmoko Apr 05 09:57:34 ~lart rpm badly Apr 05 09:57:35 * ibot follow's rpm badly with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION Apr 05 10:02:48 hi Apr 05 10:04:16 is OE project related and/or aware of http://onessi.objectweb.org/xwiki/bin/view/NESSI/ist2006 ? Apr 05 10:06:14 what is it? Apr 05 10:09:50 "middleware" is a very very loose term. did I say very? Apr 05 10:12:09 onessi is the open-source component of NESSI (http://www.nessi-europe.com/Nessi/AboutNESSI/Overview/tabid/152/Default.aspx) Apr 05 10:13:04 since I want to use OE for an university open-source project Apr 05 10:13:53 and the must have some industrial partner... Apr 05 10:15:02 I was investigating if there were a possible point of contact between the ONESSI (that is, a lot of partners) Apr 05 10:15:07 ... OE Apr 05 10:26:36 someone know how to add global dependency in distro config? Apr 05 10:27:18 last time I tried that (2 years ago) it ended in tears Apr 05 10:30:52 time to flash collie! Apr 05 10:33:15 2.6 with mmc-spi Apr 05 10:35:31 hrw: on the 2.6 patchset for collie was there a apm patch or something like that? Apr 05 10:37:44 hrw: mmc-spi? Apr 05 10:37:53 mmc card support? Apr 05 10:37:56 Laibsch: 'sd support' in laymens terms Apr 05 10:38:01 I guess no SD yet, right? Apr 05 10:38:07 full SD? Apr 05 10:38:11 Awesome Apr 05 10:38:29 when did that happen? Apr 05 10:38:33 Laibsch: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angstrom-distro-devel/2007-April/000152.html Apr 05 10:38:33 Who made it happen? Apr 05 10:39:25 Laibsch: Thomas Kunze Apr 05 10:39:26 koen: I was close to thinking that you got yourself a little closer to that NAS box. Apr 05 10:39:37 heh Apr 05 10:39:39 Anybody know Thomas personally? Apr 05 10:39:49 He should claim that bounty that is out there. Apr 05 10:40:12 hrw: Let me know if I can test things, too. Apr 05 10:42:41 hrw: does the ucb audio stuff work for collie? Apr 05 10:42:53 Does this likely mean bigger than 1GB cards being supported as well? Apr 05 10:43:53 Laibsch: when it will boot for me then I will give you my image/kernel Apr 05 10:44:06 nice. Looking forward to it Apr 05 10:45:46 Laibsch: it will support anything 2.6.20 supports, since it hooks into the mmc framework :) Apr 05 10:46:01 * Laibsch drools Apr 05 10:46:31 * XorA looks forward to using his nice shiny collie Apr 05 10:47:01 ~lart ts-170s (sharp serial cable) Apr 05 10:47:01 * ibot beats ts-170s (sharp serial cable) severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken Apr 05 10:47:06 does anyone knows if the ucb audio code ever worked on collie? I mean did someone hear something with it? I want to write an audio driver for simpad wich also uses the ucb chipset. the audio driver looks like the one from 2.4 and on simpads noone ever heard something with that driver. would be very interesting to know because it could save some weeks of sparetime. Apr 05 10:47:34 mr_nice: I do not know does collie use ucb for audio or additional chip Apr 05 10:48:10 hrw: It seems so http://www2.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~tkunze/zaurus/patches/ucb1x00-touch-audio-r1.patch Apr 05 10:50:51 looks like I need to charge collie more first Apr 05 10:57:14 so next step is install LAB as collie flash then boot from SD :-) Apr 05 10:58:53 what is LAB? Apr 05 11:00:02 linux as bootloader Apr 05 11:00:11 ~lab Apr 05 11:00:25 i heard lab is Linux As Bootloader or - as the handhelds.org folks like to call it - bootldr-ng - and as that the next generation bootloader for ARM devices, check http://www.handhelds.org/projects/bootldr-ng.html for more information - or "L"oLing "a"t "B"ackground. Apr 05 11:02:24 Sounds like JTAG stuff. I guess altboot works fine enough for me Apr 05 11:09:05 hrm... which script takes care about running the postinst stuff on first boot? Apr 05 11:10:09 florian: /etc/rcS.d/S99configure? Apr 05 11:10:17 ljp: ping Apr 05 11:10:23 koen: excellent -- hope they make it in this time! Apr 05 11:10:24 hrw: thanks Apr 05 11:16:00 can someone please apply the patch about glib ? Apr 05 11:16:05 or it is incorrect ? Apr 05 11:16:35 hmm... which one? Apr 05 11:16:56 oh sorry wrong window :-) Apr 05 11:19:16 florian: Could you reproduce that clean issue? Apr 05 11:20:51 RP: no... i have no idea how that happened Apr 05 11:29:42 florian: I'll ignore that then ;-). Can you close the bug? Apr 05 11:33:20 RP: yes :) Apr 05 11:54:25 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r0178e5bb... 10/ (1 packages/gtk+/gtk+_2.6.10.bb): gtk+: Minor packaging fix Apr 05 11:54:29 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r2e7e35c4... 10/ (1 packages/gtk+/gtk+_2.6.10.bb): gtk+: not useful Apr 05 11:54:34 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r0f3d125f... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-sdk-sbox.bb): task-sdk-sbox: Add new task to cover some scratchbox SDK stuff Apr 05 11:54:40 03florian 07org.oe.dev * rae778e05... 10/ (1 packages/meta/meta-sdk-sbox.bb): Apr 05 11:54:40 meta-sdk-sbox: Several updates - we can build binaries now and have the most important tools. Apr 05 11:54:40 Depens on debian, doctools and perl devkit Apr 05 11:54:44 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r0d443234... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux-x86: Update Nevista defconf Apr 05 12:12:04 florian: I love the "gtk+: not useful" comment, did mickey_away manage to get you to move to Qt4? Apr 05 12:16:14 hehe Apr 05 12:16:32 XorA: no... that mostly reverted my last change because it was bad. Apr 05 12:22:54 Is mickey advocating Qt now? Apr 05 12:25:56 Laibsch: AFAIK mickeyl is currently searching a kitchen Apr 05 12:26:47 * Laibsch doubts that Qt can provide that Apr 05 12:27:49 zecke: is qt from qte a downstraped version of qt or a "normal" qt version Apr 05 12:29:08 mr_nice: well, QtE is a normal Qt with a different backend. Additionally to WinCE,Win32,X11 and OSX a new windowing system named QWS was created and used Apr 05 12:29:21 mr_nice: like all Qt versions you can disable certain features to reduce the size Apr 05 12:29:40 zecke: thx! Apr 05 12:30:01 mr_nice: oh an QtE was renamed to QtopiaCore to say that motorola uses Qtopia :) Apr 05 12:30:32 ~qtopiacore Apr 05 12:33:55 zecke: I have to take a deeper look to that. I was "thinking" (if my C skills will ever allow that) about porting qt to xynth and try to get some opie apps. but i think most of the opie stuff will depend on functions of qte. Apr 05 12:35:19 what is xynth? Apr 05 12:35:56 hrw: something like qte -> xynth.org Apr 05 12:36:44 hrw: basically it is a X replacement with an desktop enviroment. the definition is wrong but it shows the idea Apr 05 12:37:17 hrw: it also has an gtk+ port already :) Apr 05 12:38:09 hrw: and it will be the desktop environment of the SlackPAD distribution (if there will ever be an release) Apr 05 12:39:51 it also has its own lightwight widget. Apr 05 12:43:56 hi guys Apr 05 12:44:59 mr_nice: once one is ~23, you have seen 2-4 of such projects :) Apr 05 12:45:07 microwindows, picogui... Apr 05 12:47:11 zecke: well, I love it and it :). It also has an SDL port and the main developer is now over 5 years writing on it. tslib is also ported. Apr 05 12:47:58 s/and it/ Apr 05 12:48:24 :) Apr 05 12:49:26 zecke: you shuld give it a try. you can also use it under SDL on your X11 or mac Apr 05 12:50:17 mr_nice: I think I have seen it on a psp Apr 05 12:50:46 zecke: yes it has an psp and gpx2 port Apr 05 13:16:16 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rdc66d28f... 10/ (1 packages/hwdata packages/hwdata/hwdata_0.191.bb): hwdata: add 0.191 Apr 05 13:16:17 hi Apr 05 13:16:33 does someone have experiences with adding packages to a distribution? Apr 05 13:17:55 scp foo.deb debian.org:/packagerepository ? Apr 05 13:18:13 ;D Apr 05 13:19:56 funny koen :) Apr 05 13:20:07 i mean adding packages to a oe distro :) Apr 05 13:20:52 normally. Apr 05 13:21:00 scp package. distrohost:/feeds/ Apr 05 13:21:07 you build distro. distro contain feeds. feeds contain packages Apr 05 13:27:32 ok thx :) Apr 05 13:28:03 i'm not a distrohost maintainer, but I want to build a oe image Apr 05 13:28:04 :) Apr 05 13:29:20 then build it Apr 05 13:29:56 monotonous: Checkout the OE metadata, edit the config, then bitbake the image Apr 05 13:32:05 NAByss i have the metadata, the config is ok ... actually I'm searching where the config for my opendreambox image is Apr 05 13:32:50 do you mean I have to change the config in conf/distro/opendreambox-1.4.conf ?? Apr 05 13:33:20 monotonous: No, only your local.conf Apr 05 13:33:30 Ensure that distro/machine etc. are set Apr 05 13:34:27 Hi there, I'm getting the following error while trying to build the glibc: NOTE: preferred version 2.5 of glibc not available ...... and I'm sure that there is a package/glibc/glibc_2.5.bb... what can be wrong? Apr 05 13:35:16 only my local.conf ... ok thx, i'll give it a try :) thx! Apr 05 13:35:38 vivijim: that should be safe to ignore Apr 05 13:36:29 my local.conf has a machine entry, a distro entry, but I again don't know where I have to add additional kernel packages Apr 05 13:36:48 do you know where I have to add it? Apr 05 13:37:34 do I miss something? Apr 05 13:38:29 monotonous: you might want to read sample local.conf, which is somewhere in the OE snapshot, too:) Apr 05 13:38:51 koen: but I'm trying to build the glibc_2.5 package Apr 05 13:38:57 so for the bitbake glibc command Apr 05 13:38:59 monotonous: besides other things, there are also things like where to put your own bbfiles, if you want that... Apr 05 13:39:00 I have this Apr 05 13:39:17 Build statistics: Attempted builds: 0 Dependencies not satisfied: 1 Apr 05 13:39:18 atm I only want to add an exesting one - pvrusb2-mci Apr 05 13:39:25 ... existing ... Apr 05 13:39:28 monotonous: It'll depend on the image you're building.. which target are you bitbaking? Apr 05 13:39:42 linux on a dm7025 Apr 05 13:40:11 monotonous: When you run bitbake, which .bb file are you building? Apr 05 13:40:15 Want to use a git-date instead of git tag for building my kernel Apr 05 13:40:19 koen in my deploy dir there are a lot of glib-*_2.5 packages but glibc_2.5 itself is missing Apr 05 13:40:26 should be something like gpe-image, or bootstrap-image Apr 05 13:40:36 vivijim: libc6* ? Apr 05 13:40:36 huh, good question - atm the opendreambox Makefile does everything ... Apr 05 13:41:14 monotonous: Take a look through the makefile for which target it's building Apr 05 13:41:46 MACHINE=dm7025 and TARGET_OS=linux Apr 05 13:41:51 hrw: nunome just won't build for me. Did you require the opie-preferred versions when you build it (it fails for me either way)? Can you try it for MACHINE=spitz and DISTRO=angstrom-2007.1-oabi? I am just going nuts here. Apr 05 13:42:06 DISTRO=opendreambox-1.4 Apr 05 13:42:07 koen: sorry about this stupid question! I've found it ;) Apr 05 13:43:01 monotonous: Hmm.. in the makefile though, it should be doing something like bitbake foo-image.. is there anything like that? Apr 05 13:43:48 oooh :) bitbake dreambox-image Apr 05 13:45:05 Laibsch: I used angstrom-2007.1 config and built qte by hand Apr 05 13:46:03 do you know what this means NAbyss? Apr 05 13:46:48 monotonous: Take a look through org.openembedded.xyz/packages/*/dreambox-image.bb, and see which packages it specifies to install Apr 05 13:47:00 You should be able to edit that .bb file to include your own packages Apr 05 13:47:17 great, you really help me out! Apr 05 13:47:41 I'm trying to add a hauppauge wintv-pvr usb2 to my dreambox ... Apr 05 13:48:26 hrw: by hand? You mean you built the appropriate versions? I will try once more. Maybe this is something that has to do with the opie version. Apr 05 13:52:01 monotonous: You may need to edit the org.oe.xyz/packages/linux/yourkernel's defconfig to enable compilation of that module, if it's not already provided Apr 05 13:52:38 ok thx! Apr 05 13:54:42 np Apr 05 14:05:47 NAbyss: do you know how I can get the kernel my image is using? Apr 05 14:05:59 uname -a delivers not enough Apr 05 14:06:45 monotonous: /proc/version gives a bit more Apr 05 14:07:25 well, but there are several pckages in packages/linux/ and I don't know which defconfig is the right one .. Apr 05 14:07:35 2.6.12.6 isn't really enough :) Apr 05 14:10:31 monotonous: Look through your dreambox-image.bb for the linux .bb it uses Apr 05 14:11:04 orinoco cards suxx Apr 05 14:11:32 really strange there are some packages containing *linux* but no linux-* package ... actually my image was built - trying a flash :) Apr 05 14:17:57 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * r6da9d621... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Apr 05 14:17:57 linux/linux-jlime-jornada6xx-2.6.21rc5: Apr 05 14:17:57 * Minor fixes to let patches apply Apr 05 14:17:57 * Addition of patch that will not be in git until 2.6.21rc6 Apr 05 14:18:05 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * r8ce7c583... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-jlime-jornada6xx_2.6.21rc5.bb): linux-jlime-jornada6xx: minor typo in patch Apr 05 15:05:54 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r93691535... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-x86_2.6.20.bb): linux-x86: Deploy bzImage Apr 05 15:05:58 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r22c4c272... 10/ (1 packages/gpephone/ptim-headers_svn.bb): ptim-headers: Shared headers for Phone Text Input Apr 05 15:06:02 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r4b0b1eda... 10/ (1 packages/gpephone/ptim-headers_svn.bb): ptim-headers: fix typo Apr 05 15:06:07 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r0c614cf0... 10/ (1 packages/gpephone/ptim-headers_svn.bb): ptim-headers: fix another typo Apr 05 15:06:13 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r837233c5... 10/ (1 packages/gpephone/ptim-manager_svn.bb): ptim-manager: Add the Phone Text Input manager module. Apr 05 15:06:19 03florian 07org.oe.dev * rcc815933... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): ptim-manager: Add patch Apr 05 15:06:23 03florian 07org.oe.dev * ra0f94bf8... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): ptim-helper: Phone Text Input helper module. Apr 05 15:06:28 hrw: ping Apr 05 15:06:29 03florian 07org.oe.dev * rb66d2cbd... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): ptim-engine: New package: Phone Text Input Engine Apr 05 15:06:38 03florian 07org.oe.dev * rea5c1376... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): ptim: Adjust license information. Apr 05 15:06:48 03florian 07org.oe.dev * ra050f1c8... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-gpephone.bb): task-gpephone: Add PTIM bits. Apr 05 15:07:12 sorry :-) Apr 05 15:07:58 florian: what is ptim? Apr 05 15:08:42 zecke: A text input framework... its a GTK input modules to be used for mobile devices. Apr 05 15:09:10 zecke: http://gpephone.linuxtogo.org/doc/components/manual-ptim.htm Apr 05 15:09:43 oh well, that html file loks like exported by word :-( Apr 05 15:10:30 .htm? Apr 05 15:10:35 exported by word2.0? Apr 05 15:12:17 .htm is one indicator and another one is that there are some wrong chars in there. Apr 05 15:12:59 zecke: Apr 05 15:14:01 mr_nice: you ruined my day :) Apr 05 15:14:24 zecke: pong Apr 05 15:15:08 hrw: did you try to push bittest to a branch? Apr 05 15:15:26 zecke: ah. forgot Apr 05 15:29:57 buncha RFCs from me. please review ;-) Apr 05 15:35:35 I've added gst-ffmpeg recipe as bug 2085 Apr 05 15:40:56 cu Apr 05 15:55:02 03florian 07org.oe.dev * rb3af4589... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): gpe-session-scripts-phone: Update session file to set up environment for PTIM. Apr 05 15:55:09 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r5ecd824d... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-sdk-sbox.bb): task-sdk-sbox: Add some useful things. Apr 05 16:05:24 cu Apr 05 16:26:58 brb Apr 05 16:56:54 how quick could i get all xorg bb`s to 7.2 ? Apr 05 16:57:58 pretty darn quck Apr 05 16:58:29 rob_w: xorg 7.2 is in already Apr 05 16:58:34 at least, the core libs Apr 05 16:58:48 ah , lets see Apr 05 16:58:57 and large parts didn't change between 7.0, 7.1 and 7.2 Apr 05 16:59:15 rob_w: DISTRO="angstrom-2007.1" and you'll get 7.2 :) Apr 05 16:59:46 OE is surprisingly hands off with X Apr 05 17:00:00 otherwhise you can include http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/conf/distro/include/preferred-xorg-versions-X11R7.2.inc Apr 05 17:00:00 that i need Apr 05 17:02:58 CosmicPenguin: attending ELC ? Apr 05 17:16:50 koen: not this year Apr 05 17:16:59 h Apr 05 17:37:36 koen: when a package doesn't have a do_compile() function like libtool-native for instance ... which do_compile() bitbake call for? Apr 05 17:38:14 vivijim: it will default to "make" or "make all" Apr 05 17:38:32 koen: I like the p.g.o flame war :) Apr 05 17:38:51 I will get some popcorn before reading the beagle vs. tracker flame Apr 05 17:39:24 zecke: the tracker of mugshot one? Apr 05 17:39:44 s/of/or/ Apr 05 17:40:17 koen: they are all tied together Apr 05 17:40:24 koen: thanks, as I've imagined... another thing that I was almost forgetting: Lauro has forward to me the email about llvm... I'll have a look at it but since I don't have experience doing this I cannot promise that I'll do something ;) Apr 05 17:40:25 koen: gimmie vs. NewName Apr 05 17:40:30 koen: beagle vs. tracker Apr 05 17:40:34 vivijim: :) Apr 05 17:42:10 vivijim: I couldn't remember your email address last night, so I didn't CC you Apr 05 17:43:20 (I kinda suspect lauro would walk over to you and show you the mail) Apr 05 17:43:44 hello all Apr 05 17:43:51 likewise^2! Apr 05 17:44:33 koen: what if I equal 0? Apr 05 17:45:42 then the non-ideal comperator will enter a meta-stable state Apr 05 17:47:55 koen: then I probably need to brew some coffee to stabilize again. Apr 05 17:48:35 * koen probably needs some coffee as well Apr 05 17:48:52 * koen is recovering from the "cijfer uitreiking borrel" Apr 05 17:51:00 is the borrel an excuse to cover up the cijfers, or are the cijfers an excuse to have a borrel? Apr 05 17:51:19 80% passed Apr 05 17:51:43 80% of the people passed, or you passed 80%? Apr 05 17:51:48 the best mixed signal project get 10L of heineken, the best discrete time project a pie Apr 05 17:51:50 ...of the tests Apr 05 17:51:59 80% (including me) passed Apr 05 17:52:21 congrats! How does the pie taste with heineken? Apr 05 17:52:33 heh Apr 05 17:52:36 optimist Apr 05 17:52:48 5.93 <- my grade Apr 05 17:53:15 Wow, two fractional digit grades. Apr 05 17:53:34 (Looks impressive, this way :-) ) Apr 05 17:53:50 officially a '6', but they wanted to make a point ;) Apr 05 17:54:25 I didn't take the written exam due to being in brazil Apr 05 17:54:53 Ah, duh. Apr 05 17:54:57 How was Brazil?! Apr 05 17:55:02 hot! Apr 05 17:55:05 cool! Apr 05 17:55:09 :-) Apr 05 17:55:20 it was a very nice conference Apr 05 17:57:59 koen: how was the interest in OE? Apr 05 17:58:35 likewise: TI and intel were interested Apr 05 17:58:39 likewise: http://labs.vivi.eng.br/blog/?p=12 Apr 05 17:59:24 mamona? Apr 05 17:59:33 * likewise feels clueless Apr 05 17:59:46 likewise: a new distro for the nokia tablets Apr 05 17:59:51 koen: ah. Apr 05 18:00:12 koen: we should probably use a monkey face as the new OE logo, reading that web page. Apr 05 18:00:31 OE: a million monkeys with typewriters Apr 05 18:00:46 monkey work :) Apr 05 18:00:48 re Apr 05 18:00:53 koen: want SDK built? Apr 05 18:01:00 hrw: do you want to push? Apr 05 18:01:13 hrw: an eabi sdk Apr 05 18:01:17 zecke: file://zecke-xgcc-cpp.patch breaks SDK Apr 05 18:01:32 koen: remove file://zecke-xgcc-cpp.patch and you will build gcc-cross-sdk 4.1.1 on x86 Apr 05 18:01:39 and probably on each 32bit Apr 05 18:01:51 hrw: yes, don't put fail-fast into OVERRIDES Apr 05 18:02:12 xgcc-cpp isn't in failfast iirc Apr 05 18:02:17 zecke: its not failfast Apr 05 18:02:24 put it there :) Apr 05 18:02:27 gst-launch with ffmpeg and xv is really *slower* than mplayer Apr 05 18:02:38 ah let me reread Apr 05 18:03:01 sirfred: I suspect the muxing and demuxing code to be at fault Apr 05 18:03:13 hrw: show me the failure, it feels wrong to use /usr/bin/cpp Apr 05 18:03:18 FWIW, you can't really beat mplayer in speed Apr 05 18:03:40 | /a/home/hrw/devel/build/cel/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include/sys/types.h:100: error: two or more data types in declaration specifiers Apr 05 18:03:43 | /a/home/hrw/devel/build/cel/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include/sys/types.h:100: warning: useless type name in empty declaration Apr 05 18:03:55 koen: I just expected gstreamer to be on pair with mplayer, more or less. Apr 05 18:04:15 sirfred: I suspect it needs some tricks Apr 05 18:04:15 zecke: thats on x86. Apr 05 18:04:32 zecke: on x86-64 it is broken totally Apr 05 18:04:42 hrw: yes? If /usr/bin/cpp works you only cure symptoms Apr 05 18:04:43 Difficult to say, benchmarking seems not easy Apr 05 18:04:55 At least mplayer says how much time is consuming in every stage. Apr 05 18:06:17 hrw: but let me finish work first... Apr 05 18:10:45 re Apr 05 18:11:51 koen: is that 6 out of 10? Apr 05 18:11:57 hvontres|poodle: yes Apr 05 18:12:25 * hvontres|poodle remembers a 6 being a bad thing ... Apr 05 18:12:43 yeah Apr 05 18:13:07 in highschool 8 out of 10 was already 'bad' Apr 05 18:13:36 koen: When I went to school back in Germany, 1 was best, 6 was worst :) Apr 05 18:14:01 crazy germans Apr 05 18:14:12 koen: and I have had them all :) (luckyly I only got 5 and 6 in handwriting) Apr 05 18:14:42 koen: heh, tell me about it...like having to decide which of three tracks to take in *4*th grade Apr 05 18:15:24 .nl nows has 4 tracks in highschool for 4th to 6th grade Apr 05 18:15:49 "economics" "history" "easy science" "proper science" Apr 05 18:16:15 (with better sounding names like "nature & technology") Apr 05 18:17:04 :) Apr 05 18:18:08 "economics & society" "culture & society" "nature & health" "nature & technology" Apr 05 18:20:01 hvontres|poodle: yess... the german education system is completely braindead Apr 05 18:20:46 it's in german for starters.... Apr 05 18:22:22 * likewise is degrading Apr 05 18:23:04 bleh Apr 05 18:23:18 next courses are optical waveguides and control engineering Apr 05 18:23:26 * koen loathes control engineering Apr 05 18:23:42 i think it is cool, but I sucked at it. Apr 05 18:24:28 I was helping a colleague building an MPEG timestamp dejitter block in s/w, and I remember too little of the feedback loops. Apr 05 18:24:47 Mason's rule? Apr 05 18:24:51 zecke: pushed oetest Apr 05 18:24:58 no idea. yuk. Apr 05 18:25:04 hrw: ah you did the renaming as well :) Apr 05 18:25:15 zecke: only branch - tool is bittest Apr 05 18:25:36 zecke: and it req bitbake 1.8 Apr 05 18:25:53 should work with 1.6 too Apr 05 18:26:18 does not work with 1.9 rather Apr 05 18:37:56 cu Apr 05 18:42:23 koen, can I bugreport to you? ... it's just a small thing ... so if you wont mind commiting it Apr 05 18:43:00 koen, it's just ... btscanner-2.0 depends on libxml2 and libwpd depends on libgsf Apr 05 19:04:13 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r3ef276e2... 10/ (1 packages/hal/files/99_hal packages/hal/hal_0.5.9.bb): hal: install /var/cache/hald Apr 05 19:05:34 * hvontres|poodle LOVES contols Apr 05 19:05:57 likewise: control loops ar much more fun if you get to move stuff around :) Apr 05 19:13:08 Anyone played with AXFS yet? http://lwn.net/Articles/182337/ Apr 05 19:16:18 * koen tries to decide where to put "no, I will not fix your vendor toolchain" in the sheets Apr 05 19:16:50 "The filesystem is working well. We optimized an Opie Linux build using cramfs and axfs." But AXFS looks dead to me? Apr 05 19:16:52 HAHAHAHA Apr 05 19:17:11 koen: maybe on the IRC channel info sheet ? Apr 05 19:17:14 AXFS? Apr 05 19:17:28 chouimat: http://axfs.sourceforge.net/ Apr 05 19:17:56 yay! Apr 05 19:17:59 I was looking for the status of execute-in-place (from FlashROM) filesystems for applications (not kernel XIP). Apr 05 19:18:11 chouimat: don't cheer too fast :-) Apr 05 19:18:46 * chouimat stops his selver rebuild to install winxp so he can unfsck his ipod ... rockbox doesn't install on hfs+ formatted ipod ... Apr 05 19:18:50 likewise: hehe Apr 05 19:19:16 chouimat: use kvm to boot windows? Apr 05 19:20:43 likewise: no will just install it over the linux box fix the ipod and then wipe it ... I guess I could do it in vmware too but it will be a lot slooooooooooooooooower Apr 05 19:21:09 likewise: I need winblows only 1 or 2 a year so :) Apr 05 19:22:58 chouimat: just set up an old HD with windblows on it :) Apr 05 19:23:14 Freetype 2.3.3 released: Removes Apr 05 19:23:16 a serious regression in the TrueType bytecode interpreter that was introduced in version 2.3.2. Apr 05 19:23:47 hvontres|poodle: I could do this too ... but I just made a ntfs partition on the hdd ... it will work too Apr 05 19:26:27 likewise: isn't that interpreter patented by apple? Apr 05 19:26:53 I thought gstreamer problem was audio, but even with audio switched off, mplayer runs circles around gstreamer Apr 05 19:27:12 koen: not sure if it was the interpreter or the subsequent hinter. Apr 05 19:27:19 It seems there's no way to use tremor vorbis decoder to decode the audio stream from a ogm file Apr 05 19:27:44 sirfred: ipkg install gst-plugin-ivorbis ; ipkg remove gst-plugin-vorbis Apr 05 19:27:50 (or something like that) Apr 05 19:28:04 koen: Yes, but the problem is worse than that. Apr 05 19:28:23 koen: the freetype team have gained some nice rendering improvements the last week Apr 05 19:28:25 koen: tremor has its own ogm parser inside, and only accept ogg/application Apr 05 19:28:35 ugh Apr 05 19:28:42 and playbin sucks on arm as well Apr 05 19:28:44 koen: So it can not be used in a pipeline with oggdemux Apr 05 19:28:57 koen: We only have vorbisdec Apr 05 19:29:15 koen: playbin is able to play the file, but audio.. well Apr 05 19:29:57 I was able to only decode the video to compare. mplayer is really better, Perhaps idct chosen in mplayer is better. I don't know if those parameter can be tuned for gst-ffmpeg Apr 05 19:30:27 koen: Canola uses gstreamer, true ? Apr 05 19:33:13 Is there any way to instruct matchbox not to maximize the mplayer window? Apr 05 19:34:11 sirfred: yes, it's forced to, since all the DSP function on the nokia use gstreamer Apr 05 19:34:58 koen: They have some sinks to use that DSP in gstreamer? Apr 05 19:35:45 Is matchbox the smallest window manager around? Apr 05 19:39:43 sirfred: yes, like dspmp3sink and friend Apr 05 19:40:08 concept10: ion or ratpoison are probably smaller Apr 05 19:40:37 I have this firewall box, which has a Cyrix Geode processor at 200MHz and 128mbs of ram. I am trying to get into embedded development so I would like to work with this box so I can get used to working with constraints. Apr 05 19:40:40 concept10: but matchbox is being developed by an embedded linux company, so it's probably the most widely used wm on embedded Apr 05 19:42:15 koen, thanks. I will use it then. Because in the future I want to work with the other libraries they have such as clutter and I plan on getting the Neo1973. Apr 05 19:51:04 clutter, efl, juce Apr 05 19:51:12 qt4 Apr 05 19:51:16 IMHO the most promising toolkits out there Apr 05 19:51:32 mickeyl: clutter is no toolkit :) Apr 05 19:51:37 right Apr 05 19:51:47 s/toolkits/UI libraries/ Apr 05 19:57:34 efl isn't a toolkit either :) Apr 05 19:58:16 etk is :) Apr 05 19:58:53 * koen waves to mickeyl Apr 05 19:59:08 cheers Apr 05 19:59:20 * mickeyl needs to find time preparing an EFL demo for Sean Apr 05 19:59:28 i want to get him to say Apr 05 19:59:33 "woot! we want to use that" Apr 05 19:59:42 perhaps i'll just show some edje's to him Apr 05 19:59:44 that will do Apr 05 20:00:08 mickeyl: demo the same thing on qvga as well Apr 05 20:00:22 ah yeah Apr 05 20:00:27 good idea Apr 05 20:00:43 hopefully i can cook something up tomorrow Apr 05 20:00:50 the guys are here from Friday to early Sunday Apr 05 20:00:54 (here begin FFM) Apr 05 20:01:01 s/begin/being/ Apr 05 20:01:02 mickeyl: do they head to Berlin? Apr 05 20:01:11 no, Frankfurt -> Bangalore Apr 05 20:01:50 visiting picopeta, can't tell more Apr 05 20:02:12 hehe Apr 05 20:03:55 OFH Excuse #448: Apr 05 20:03:55 vi needs to be upgraded to vii Apr 05 20:05:37 chouimat: not vi.i? Apr 05 20:05:58 hvontres|poodle: doon't know Apr 05 20:06:01 BOFH Excuse #449: Apr 05 20:06:01 greenpeace free'd the mallocs Apr 05 20:06:51 mickeyl: if you want to demo it on the neo, get the 16bit patches from the indt dudes first Apr 05 20:07:13 mickeyl: how's the move coming along? Apr 05 20:12:09 koen: toilet brush and two lamps have moved Apr 05 20:12:13 :) Apr 05 20:12:35 seriously, too busy to do anything mroe Apr 05 20:12:46 sofa has been ordered Apr 05 20:12:55 will order new kitchen on weekend Apr 05 20:13:05 then probably do the main move somewhere between 25th and 30th of May Apr 05 20:13:06 no Apr 05 20:13:07 April Apr 05 20:13:19 my goal is to sleep in the new appartment from 1st of May Apr 05 20:13:32 i have a serious problem with the office furniture Apr 05 20:13:42 busy busy busy Apr 05 20:13:44 there is a sprial staircase Apr 05 20:13:47 spiral, even Apr 05 20:13:59 and i see no way how i can bring my tables down there Apr 05 20:14:00 :/ Apr 05 20:14:17 so what is a 30m² office good when I can't have tables there??? Apr 05 20:14:19 *sigh* Apr 05 20:14:24 desk, food or pingpong tables? Apr 05 20:14:29 ah, desks Apr 05 20:14:35 ya, desks Apr 05 20:15:10 this is really crazy and there is no other entry apart from that spiral staircase Apr 05 20:15:16 it can't be removed either Apr 05 20:15:18 * mwester thinks mickeyl may need a carpenter Apr 05 20:15:26 hehe Apr 05 20:15:27 yeah Apr 05 20:15:36 they need to be manufacturered right in the room Apr 05 20:16:03 if i had realized that earlier i may have vetoed Apr 05 20:16:21 * koen hands mickeyl a saw and some glue Apr 05 20:16:47 * mickeyl has two left hands when it comes to handcrafts Apr 05 20:17:37 * mwester hands mickeyl his favorite tools: a hammer and some large nails Apr 05 20:17:53 yeah Apr 05 20:17:58 when all you have is a hammer.... Apr 05 20:18:08 ... everything looks like a nail Apr 05 20:18:09 everything gets fixed? Apr 05 20:19:20 like that old line about american engineering: "if it doesn't fit, use a bigger hammer" :D Apr 05 20:19:30 * mwester can say that since he's american... Apr 05 20:20:18 that's standard mechanical engineering ;) Apr 05 20:24:13 Three principals of machanical engineering Apr 05 20:24:23 1) Anything may be used as a hammer Apr 05 20:24:36 2) You cannot push on a rope, unless it is frozen Apr 05 20:24:49 3) If in doubt, make it stout, out of thing you know about Apr 05 20:25:19 surprisingly #2 isn't well known Apr 05 20:25:26 :) Apr 05 20:25:35 hehehe Apr 05 20:25:45 I learned that from a machanical engineer, after we witnessed a violation of rule 3 Apr 05 20:26:17 bugs in software should not cause the machine to bend Apr 05 20:27:07 sounds like control engineering Apr 05 20:27:22 electro-galvanizing line Apr 05 20:27:23 "we fixed the ankle to move more lifelike, but now the knees are to weak" Apr 05 20:27:35 about 80 ft high, 300 ft long Apr 05 20:29:02 Crofton: the mech. eng. have a different saying over here: "stukmaken is ook maken" Apr 05 20:29:23 which looses something in translation: "breaking is also a form of creation" Apr 05 20:30:49 I wish I had pictures of these machines Apr 05 20:37:05 mickeyl: I put the main points of my talk in http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/ELC2007.pdf any topics I should add? Apr 05 20:37:13 * mickeyl reads Apr 05 20:37:46 mmh sweeet Apr 05 20:37:48 is that keynote? Apr 05 20:37:54 yes Apr 05 20:38:20 which is totally annoying me ATM Apr 05 20:39:24 but I just spent 2 weeks making reports in latex, so anything not latex would annoy me :) Apr 05 20:41:25 hehe Apr 05 20:41:38 I should mention that people can hire OE engineers Apr 05 20:41:40 do you talk about usage of Qemu? Apr 05 20:41:46 yes, should add that Apr 05 20:41:53 * mickeyl is for hire Apr 05 20:41:57 (in general *cough*) Apr 05 20:44:43 I hates winblows ... Apr 05 20:44:44 you should mention celflinux and omap5912osk Apr 05 20:45:39 mickeyl: cool I need someone to take over the 12:00 am to 9:00 am EST/EDT period :) Apr 05 20:45:57 Crofton: the only distro that gets mentioned is angstrom Apr 05 20:46:07 we don't need no steeeenking OABI Apr 05 20:46:12 heh Apr 05 20:46:21 well mention the machine :) Apr 05 20:47:36 sure Apr 05 22:05:53 hi Apr 05 22:10:45 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r9f65c4ed... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/slugos.inc): slugos: Pin linux-libc-headers to 2.6.18, due to annoying 2.6.20 breakage. Apr 05 22:11:51 thx NAiL Apr 05 22:12:18 for anyone else watching - that's a work-around for the current util-linux compile problem. Apr 05 22:13:16 NAiL: we should change our ipk preferred version too. Apr 05 22:13:53 or even unfreeze it now that it breaks less often. Apr 05 22:14:13 well, the latest version was broken Apr 05 22:14:18 so which version do we choose? Apr 05 22:14:39 NOTE: package ipkg-native-0.99.163: failed Apr 05 22:14:42 looks like 1.6+cvs20050404-r9 is building Apr 05 22:14:58 oh, hang on, that's ipkg-utils. Apr 05 22:15:23 sorry, I'm a bit slow today Apr 05 22:15:27 flu and all Apr 05 22:15:33 hi Apr 05 22:15:53 anyway, when mickeyl removed the "outdated" ipkg .bbs we were using, our build broke Apr 05 22:36:10 NAiL: excuse me, apparantly i didn't fully check whether someone really uses 1.5x Apr 05 22:36:15 since 163 seems to be really solid Apr 05 22:36:23 NAiL: feel free to bring back what you need Apr 05 22:46:05 mickeyl: if 163 works we'll move to that. Apr 05 22:47:20 163 builds on my local machine Apr 05 22:51:56 rwhitby: maybe nudi needs a spring cleaning Apr 05 22:52:16 or an upgrade to Etch Apr 05 22:52:27 terse.patch doesn't apply on nudi for some reason Apr 05 22:53:11 crlf problem? Apr 05 22:54:14 looks like it was a tarball download corruption Apr 05 22:54:43 it built now Apr 05 22:59:19 NAiL: pushing the change to slugos.inc Apr 05 22:59:29 mickeyl: we're good on ipkg versions now Apr 05 22:59:34 thanks Apr 05 22:59:56 rwhitby: cool Apr 05 23:03:40 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r9a99d7d4... 10/ (1 packages/xserver-common/xserver-common_1.16.bb): xserver-common: Add 1.16 Apr 05 23:03:45 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r95b84f30... 10/ (1 conf/distro/generic.conf): generic.conf: Allow overriding the image types to be generated, ext2 can be critical. Apr 05 23:03:51 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r7d50f2e0... 10/ (1 conf/machine/netvista.conf): netvista.conf: Use faster VESA Kdrive Apr 05 23:27:02 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r5d9a3dbd... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/slugos.inc): slugos.inc: Update ipkg to 0.99.163 Apr 06 01:08:37 n8 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 06 03:00:00 2007