**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 12 02:59:57 2007 Apr 12 04:03:55 any profiling tools available for oe ? Apr 12 04:45:10 Zero_Chaos: I think I figured out where the circular dependancy for opie-image in OZ 3.5.5 was coming from. I removed opie-mediaplayer1 from task-opie.bb and it seems to be building now Apr 12 04:53:52 morning all Apr 12 06:10:08 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r605b3c5d... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): nunome: update to latest release (source tree cleaned from unnecessary binary cruft) Apr 12 07:13:04 good morning Apr 12 07:45:05 morning guys Apr 12 07:48:36 hi all Apr 12 07:56:18 morning all Apr 12 07:56:36 morning Apr 12 08:01:12 morning Apr 12 08:10:40 good morning all Apr 12 08:10:48 gconf-dbus is now at 2.16 :) Apr 12 08:10:52 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rab1c65e4... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): sane-srcdates: bump gconf-dbus to 2.16 Apr 12 08:10:59 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra1c14f5e... 10/ (1 packages/gnome/gconf-dbus_svn.bb): gconf-dbus: update svn to 2.16 Apr 12 08:15:11 !oebug 2101 Apr 12 08:15:13 * * Bug 2101, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-04-12 01:08 Apr 12 08:15:14 * * koen(AT)dominion.kabel.utwente.nl: do_patch errors not propagated Apr 12 08:15:15 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2101 Apr 12 08:15:40 RP: I know how to workaround 2101, but could you have a look at the deeper problem? Apr 12 08:15:41 koen: ooops Apr 12 08:16:34 yay Mamona Apr 12 08:16:49 * XorA has no idea who they are, but getting the .deb stuff working will be nice Apr 12 08:17:10 XorA: they are the people that invited me to brazil :) Apr 12 08:17:27 gah I want invited :-) Apr 12 08:19:26 koen: You mean why the task doesn't fail? It will probably be anther exit code problem :/ Apr 12 08:20:05 RP: yes, that's what I mean Apr 12 08:20:21 XorA: they are also teaching llvm eabi and tls :) Apr 12 08:20:30 schweet Apr 12 08:20:49 and Im stuck here teaching idiots how to change volumes in codecs Apr 12 08:21:36 "Use the Foo/LLVM Compiler System, it runs infinite loops faster than the competition!". Apr 12 08:31:39 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r82fb03e3... 10/ (1 packages/arm-kernel-shim/arm-kernel-shim_1.4.bb): arm-kernel-shim: Added version 1.4 Apr 12 08:31:49 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * ra1f47340... 10/ (1 packages/linux/ixp4xx-kernel_2.6.20.bb): Updated to latest SVN version Apr 12 08:31:54 03xora 07org.oe.dev * rb5ab64e0... 10/ (1 packages/gdado packages/gdado/gdado_2.2.bb): gdado_2.2.bb : add a gtk+ dice rolling application for all those RPG/gamblers Apr 12 08:43:51 hrw: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.devel/9304 Apr 12 08:45:12 thx Apr 12 08:45:30 (a mail from bhima in #openmoko) Apr 12 08:45:53 I have successfully angstrom for s3c2410,thanks everyone. smdk2440 login: Angstrom test-20070411 smdk2440 ttySAC0 Apr 12 09:06:31 rwhitby: Is DISTRO = "debianslug" supposed to work? Apr 12 09:09:39 morning all Apr 12 09:09:57 hi Dirk Apr 12 09:10:18 hey Marcin Apr 12 09:10:42 hi Dirk Apr 12 09:10:54 hi Richard Apr 12 09:15:04 RP: Ever played with uclinux? Apr 12 09:17:40 hi Liam Apr 12 09:18:24 any suggestion what other topics I should cover: http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/ELC2007.pdf ? Apr 12 09:20:06 good morning Apr 12 09:25:34 Crofton__: check this out: http://code.google.com/soc/gnome/appinfo.html?csaid=2EE7AB46D7D1579E Apr 12 09:30:24 do13_: No, not really Apr 12 09:31:19 RP: A customer asked. I have to write a driver for 2.4.22 uclinux Apr 12 09:31:55 do13_: 2.4.22 :-( Apr 12 10:11:41 /whois do13_ Apr 12 10:12:08 RP: emailed reply. DISTRO="slugos" Apr 12 10:12:58 rwhitby: Right, I thought it might not be supported anymore, thanks Apr 12 10:13:24 I should remove them now. Apr 12 10:14:00 RP: you might want to use Angstrom, with the changes in mokoslug.conf (which I need to merge back into Angstrom proper), and help us get altboot and sysconf to work with Angstrom. Apr 12 10:14:04 rwhitby: Probably best since they don't work as I've just proven... Apr 12 10:14:45 rwhitby: I'll look into that. At present, I want to get something working with the device, then I can look at development work :) Apr 12 10:15:11 DISTRO = "mokoslug" is an EABI distro which should work Apr 12 10:15:19 (it's just a cut-down Angstrom) Apr 12 10:15:47 you just can't pivot to external disk easily yet (although altboot probably does work somewhat now) Apr 12 10:16:01 all the bits are there, we just need to weave them together. Apr 12 10:16:04 rwhitby: Longer term, having it working within angstrom will be useful to me. I'm in the process of sorting out my build infrastructure as at the moment everything is a mess and I can't get anything done due to a lack of organisation ;-) Apr 12 10:16:25 use mokoslug then, and you can move to angstrom without any rebuilds. Apr 12 10:17:06 ok. although debianslug did just finish building. I'll set another build away... Apr 12 10:18:17 I'll be here tonight if you want to jointly work on merging mokoslug back into angstrom proper for nslu2le ... Apr 12 10:18:45 bbiab (dinner) Apr 12 10:19:58 rwhitby: I need to do the day job until this evening but I've set the build away Apr 12 10:20:30 RP: you need a build monkey Apr 12 10:21:23 XorA: The biggest problem was my primary build machine was offsite. Its now sitting next to me giving me a headache as its extrememly loud :/ Apr 12 10:21:43 * RP plans to try and house it somewhere more local to get best use of it... Apr 12 10:21:45 RP: heh, my primary build machine can no longer do builds :-( Apr 12 10:22:07 XorA: why? Apr 12 10:22:24 RP: I think its worn out, get RAM corruption even with new RAM Apr 12 10:22:41 XorA: Ah :-( Apr 12 10:23:04 RP: works ok as a desktop machine, just after about 30 mins of full load gets iffy Apr 12 10:23:44 rwhitby: No providers of build target ${DISTRO_EXTRA_DEPENDS} ;-) (I'll fix that) Apr 12 10:24:03 * hrw just bought dell d400 Apr 12 10:56:56 03florian 07org.oe.dev * rcaf171b0... 10/ (1 packages/gpephone/linphone_1.5.0.bb): linphone: Do not stage broken la files. Apr 12 11:16:01 RP: so you're building DISTRO=mokoslug or DISTRO="angstrom-2007.1" ? Apr 12 11:16:34 rwhitby: mokoslug Apr 12 11:17:06 bootstrap-image Apr 12 11:17:38 rwhitby: slugos-image Apr 12 11:18:11 no, you don't want slugos-image Apr 12 11:18:42 mokoslug is trying to do things properly, which means using stock standard bootstrap-image, right? Apr 12 11:18:56 rwhitby: right :). I'm just confused Apr 12 11:19:20 rwhitby: It does preclude your own images, ideally the standard ones should work too though Apr 12 11:19:26 It doesn't Apr 12 11:19:31 right Apr 12 11:20:10 mokoslug.conf just puts multiple things in machine_task_provider ... Apr 12 11:20:36 RP: feel free to edit mokoslug.conf to do the kernel image thing the right way for nslu2 now too :-) Apr 12 11:20:57 rwhitby: I need to update the Zaurus for that too! :) Apr 12 11:21:29 I've switched it to build a bootstrap-image now :) Apr 12 11:36:52 I think devices like the nslu2 and wrt could use their own image target (e.g shoelace-image) Apr 12 11:43:36 ibot: test Apr 12 11:43:40 Test Failed! Apr 12 12:01:11 morning Apr 12 12:15:32 hi all Apr 12 12:18:31 do13: what kind of device driver, and what processor arch? Apr 12 12:20:22 koen: I would say add a single sheet that introduces OE for those who don't know shit about it. Then go deep straight away. Apr 12 12:22:07 ~lart opensync Apr 12 12:22:07 * ibot steals opensync's mojo Apr 12 12:25:02 addtask unpack2 after do_unpack before do_patch Apr 12 12:35:00 likewise: ok, thanks Apr 12 12:36:49 koen: does your audience know OE already? Apr 12 12:36:58 koen: or only half of them? Apr 12 12:38:18 probably half of them Apr 12 12:39:14 uclibc means ppc or coldfire for me.. Apr 12 12:41:22 hrw: why not arm? Apr 12 12:41:38 ah.. yes.. some arms are also noMMU Apr 12 12:41:58 hrw: do you mean ucLinux or uClibc? Apr 12 12:42:18 uclinux - sorry Apr 12 12:42:21 hrw: uClibc is independent of MMU availability, isn't it? Apr 12 12:42:26 hrw: ok, clear Apr 12 12:42:55 bye Apr 12 12:51:12 koen: ping Apr 12 12:51:22 hrw: pong Apr 12 12:51:44 koen: sudo apache2ctl start on ewi? Apr 12 12:52:35 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rfdec91db... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-slugos.bb): task-slugos: Set variables if unset to avoid errors Apr 12 12:52:39 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * rd253693f... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): debianslug.conf, openslug.conf: Deprecated in favour of common slugos.conf Apr 12 12:52:44 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r05e24f56... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-base.bb): task-base: also ship ide-disk module. Thanks to Michael Raitza for spotting that Apr 12 12:54:30 koen: ? Apr 12 12:56:13 quick question on OE targets that I can't seem to find on the website... Is there a list of supported targets? I'm specifically looking for m68knommu. Apr 12 12:56:36 conf/distro, conf/machine Apr 12 12:56:44 tzanger: we do not support m68k yet Apr 12 12:56:50 hrw: done, debian broke python, so pod_python broke apache Apr 12 12:57:17 hrw: damn, and buildroot supports m68k but not -nommu... I'm trying to find a cleaner build environment than uClinux's :-) Apr 12 12:57:38 add support for it :) Apr 12 12:57:55 koen: What's the closest nommu target OE supports at this time? Apr 12 12:58:17 I'm not against doing so, I've already built the hardware, but I'm not sure how much of a ride I'm in for :-) Apr 12 12:58:45 tzanger: nommu need nommu kernel and normal userspace? Apr 12 12:59:14 thesing: hi Apr 12 12:59:16 hrw: pretty much; there are some restrictions on the userspace apps (no vfork, for example) but by and large normal userspace apps are supported. Apr 12 12:59:46 hi Apr 12 13:00:03 tzanger: then the most work will be populating site/ file for m68knommu Apr 12 13:00:05 libc needs nommu support too (mostly for remapping) Apr 12 13:00:16 hrw: hmm, I'll hve to give that a shot, thanks Apr 12 13:00:25 thesing: I need to finally test your driver Apr 12 13:01:01 did you allready build a working kerne? Apr 12 13:01:38 thesing: I suspect problem with my image rather then kernel - kernel booted Apr 12 13:02:20 I couldn't build anything the last two days (problems on native packages) but now it magically works again. Apr 12 13:03:07 I will build an Image for testing soon. Apr 12 13:03:20 thesing: can you attach diff between your recipe and OE one? then I will push it into repo Apr 12 13:04:45 I will do, after I tested if its builds and works. Apr 12 13:05:06 ok Apr 12 13:05:56 To create Images that are useful without a serial cable you also have to push my fixes to the keymap-package. (its already in the bugtracker) Apr 12 13:06:52 do you remember which bug is it? Apr 12 13:07:24 !oebug 1996 Apr 12 13:07:27 * * Bug 1996, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-03-15 14:42 Apr 12 13:07:27 * * thommy(AT)tabao.de: broken keymap for collie with kernel linux-rp_2.6.17 Apr 12 13:07:28 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1996 Apr 12 13:08:15 yes its this bug. Apr 12 13:08:43 wait a moment. I will check, if the keymap still works on 2.6.20 Apr 12 13:09:15 ok. Apr 12 13:10:00 It does work. Apr 12 13:11:06 thx Apr 12 13:11:35 thesing: which cards you use for testing? Apr 12 13:12:41 I use a 1G SD Card and a 256M one. Both are noname models. Apr 12 13:13:03 I will test with my cards when get collie working Apr 12 13:13:27 mmc: 16M, sd: 64, 256, 512, 1G, microSD: 128M, rs-mmc: 64M Apr 12 13:13:28 hrw: collie with 16GB sdhc :) Apr 12 13:13:49 how much is such a card, anyway? Apr 12 13:13:54 from my cards 256MB SD is most problematic, then 1G SD one Apr 12 13:14:08 koen: sdhc is not yet in kernel iirc Apr 12 13:14:50 * XorA shall test with 2G 512M 256M (SD/microSD) and 32M MMC Apr 12 13:16:13 ok. stopped on freeing init Apr 12 13:17:23 03Thomas 07org.oe.dev * rfc25101f... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): keymaps: fix keymap for collie/2.6 - close #1996 Apr 12 13:17:44 * NAiL has noticed that sometimes when boot stops on freeing init, pressing enter helps (!?) Apr 12 13:18:40 Whoah my first OE fix ;) Apr 12 13:18:55 congrats Apr 12 13:19:08 thesing: you next one is more impressive :-) Apr 12 13:19:16 thesing: the next one makes collie rule again Apr 12 13:19:27 it boots :) Apr 12 13:20:09 likewise: tty driver for uart over spi for coldfire Apr 12 13:20:41 the hardest thing was measuring the clock speeds .. Apr 12 13:22:08 sd/mmc driver for collie == death of OZ 3.5.5 probably Apr 12 13:23:13 thesing: 'error requesting CID: 4' is normal? Apr 12 13:23:56 no. :( Apr 12 13:24:08 everyone to Poznan for the funeral Apr 12 13:24:28 ok, collie hang Apr 12 13:29:21 hrw: Are you there? Apr 12 13:29:29 no, I am at home Apr 12 13:29:39 could you aply some patches for me Apr 12 13:30:25 Bug#: 2083 and Bug#: 2083 Apr 12 13:30:45 goxboxlive: twice? Apr 12 13:30:52 !oebug 2083 Apr 12 13:30:53 sorry i meant 2083 and 2100 Apr 12 13:30:54 * * Bug 2083, Status: RESOLVED (REMIND), Created: 2007-04-05 00:56 Apr 12 13:30:55 * * goxboxlive(AT)gmail.com: HTC Universal kernel keymap patch Apr 12 13:30:56 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2083 Apr 12 13:34:02 * koen wonders why #2083 is 'resolved' but the patches aren't applied Apr 12 13:34:47 koen: probably you marked it as invalid and then goxboxlive marked as remind Apr 12 13:35:19 * XorA hides as the brown stuff heads towards the high speed spinning stuff again Apr 12 13:35:33 hrw: I didn't touch that bug Apr 12 13:37:29 hmm.. to buy 3rd multicard reader or not.. Apr 12 13:37:39 this one just to get usb2.0 hub ;D Apr 12 13:38:33 one can never own enough toys ;) Apr 12 13:38:34 !oebug 2100 Apr 12 13:38:35 * * Bug 2100, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-04-11 08:41 Apr 12 13:38:36 * * goxboxlive(AT)gmail.com: xqt2 minor bug Apr 12 13:38:37 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2100 Apr 12 13:38:46 thesing: agreed ;) Apr 12 13:39:04 * XorA needs more toys Apr 12 13:39:56 thesing: 5 palmtop-like devices, few cf cards (bt/wifi), do not know how many memory cards, lot of usb cables... Apr 12 13:41:47 I need some more toys. I had to give my borzoi to my girlfriend in order to get my collie back ;) Apr 12 13:42:20 thesing: want another collie? Apr 12 13:45:34 I don't know if I'll have time to do some more kernel work after this week. My semester break will be over then ;( Apr 12 13:46:16 thesing: send us patch for recipe and we will get testers for it Apr 12 13:46:28 ~lart my serial port for not working Apr 12 13:46:47 * ibot burns my serial port to a crisp with a laser for not working Apr 12 13:47:32 koen: btw, regarding uclibc. Have you tried pulling the patches that openwrt uses? Apr 12 13:47:40 * NAiL kinda wants uclibc to work. Apr 12 13:48:03 NAiL: no, I still wait for .29 Apr 12 13:48:40 It's been delayed since last year sometime. Someone should give them a hard nudge. Apr 12 13:49:19 OTOH, one could add .28.3 + buildroot patches Apr 12 13:50:12 was 28.3 the last one? Apr 12 13:50:20 * NAiL hasn't been following :P Apr 12 13:50:31 "28 February 2007, uClibc 0.9.28.3 Released " Apr 12 13:50:58 ah Apr 12 13:51:01 hrw: there are two OE Zauruses doing nothing much at all at Wolfson Apr 12 13:51:35 I've got a couple of patches from an OE user trying to get uclibc to compile. I guess I should combine those with .28.3 and buildroot patches. Apr 12 13:52:05 hrw: won't the other zaurus' break if we just update the kernelsource to 2.6.20.4 in linux-rp_2.6.20.bb ? Apr 12 13:54:14 NAiL: http://fukung.net/v/537/disksvin.jpg Apr 12 13:54:26 XorA: I know. but I want to get that driver Apr 12 13:55:03 koen: omg ;) Apr 12 13:55:16 thesing: update it by patching 2.6.20 with 2.6.20.4 patch Apr 12 13:55:29 thesing: or other 2.6.20-stable one Apr 12 13:55:31 That's gotta make a lot of noise :P Apr 12 13:56:12 hrw: a good idea Apr 12 14:02:02 hi vivijim Apr 12 14:02:49 hrw: hi! Apr 12 14:05:25 * XorA doesnt have time for 5 Z's 3 is enough for now Apr 12 14:05:49 03rodrigo.vivi 07org.oe.dev * r62504594... 10/ (1 classes/package_deb.bbclass): package_deb.bbclass: add shebang, closes #2086 Apr 12 14:06:41 hrw dont break support for my Spitz and I'll be happy :P Apr 12 14:06:51 XorA: I have 3 Z here Apr 12 14:07:06 hrw: I have 5500, C860, C3200 that are mine Apr 12 14:07:39 5500, c760 mine, sl6000 OE Apr 12 14:08:10 * XorA turned the OE 6000 on, saw screen correuption, turned off Apr 12 14:11:03 if someone gets collie kernel in tonight, I can compile image and load it tomorrow :-) Apr 12 14:12:22 I'm building one ATM. If it works I will post on oz-devel. Apr 12 14:16:36 could someone close bug #1997? its been pushed in 05e24f5610763d569f2c11c8f26e2152e34063bb Apr 12 14:16:43 you can Apr 12 14:16:44 gm Apr 12 14:16:49 hey Crofton Apr 12 14:17:16 Crofton: did you see the gstreamer link? Apr 12 14:17:17 !oebug 1997 Apr 12 14:17:19 * * Bug 1997, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-03-15 17:27 Apr 12 14:17:20 * * thommy(AT)tabao.de: task-base does not contain kernel-module-ide-disk Apr 12 14:17:21 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1997 Apr 12 14:18:44 koen: tnx I didn't know that. Apr 12 14:19:31 I don't think so Apr 12 14:20:34 Crofton: http://code.google.com/soc/gnome/appinfo.html?csaid=2EE7AB46D7D1579E Apr 12 14:21:12 Thanks! Apr 12 14:21:24 Very intriguing Apr 12 14:21:32 I need to read up on gstreamer now Apr 12 14:29:05 is bitbake able to handle gziped or bzipped patches? Apr 12 14:29:14 yes Apr 12 14:30:20 does it "just work" or do have to specify something special in the url? Apr 12 14:30:27 just work Apr 12 14:30:31 "just works"(TM) Apr 12 14:30:38 great! Apr 12 14:31:40 ~lart scons Apr 12 14:31:40 * ibot puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, scons, this won't hurt a bit...." Apr 12 14:53:09 03rodrigo.vivi 07org.oe.dev * rfa1ab853... 10/ (1 conf/distro/mamona.conf): mamona: add distro config for mamona (http://www.vivi.eng.br/index.php?title=Main_Page), closes #2103 Apr 12 15:01:49 ~lart scons again Apr 12 15:01:49 * ibot takes scons again to the vet for a "special" visit Apr 12 15:05:39 heh Apr 12 15:05:46 the maemo-dev mailinglist is getting funny Apr 12 15:06:02 the scratchbox dude is annoyed that mamona hates scratchbox Apr 12 15:11:10 someone love it? Apr 12 15:12:56 hrw: I guess the scratchbox dudes and nokia management Apr 12 15:13:27 I meant 'normal people' Apr 12 15:13:34 heh, no Apr 12 15:14:02 hey zecke Apr 12 15:14:08 or SoCke ;) Apr 12 15:14:10 ho Apr 12 15:14:20 koen: thanks Apr 12 15:14:51 OE does not set HOST_SYS - right? Apr 12 15:15:05 check conf/bitbake.conf Apr 12 15:15:34 ./bitbake.conf:47:HOST_SYS = "${HOST_ARCH}${HOST_VENDOR}-${HOST_OS}" Apr 12 15:15:38 hm.. Apr 12 15:16:16 koen: Poky has libopensync 0.22 Apr 12 15:16:26 hrw: congrats Apr 12 15:16:59 is it cwiis-ware or can it be merge without a rewrite? Apr 12 15:17:03 merged* Apr 12 15:17:24 that is mean Apr 12 15:18:30 yes, but I don't want to waste my time Apr 12 15:18:40 koen: Comments like that don't help community relations ;-) Apr 12 15:18:42 ~lart nokia Apr 12 15:18:43 * ibot pushes the wall down onto nokia whilst whistling innocently Apr 12 15:19:03 koen: *I* wrote them Apr 12 15:19:07 RP: community? I though poky was commercial ;) Apr 12 15:19:15 hrw: cool, please add them to OE Apr 12 15:19:34 koen: first I have to finish svn ones Apr 12 15:19:45 zecke: +1 from me Apr 12 15:19:50 ~curse nokia Apr 12 15:19:54 koen: Poky can't therefore have a relationship with the community? Apr 12 15:20:12 hrw: is that new location of syncml-client? Apr 12 15:20:31 syncml is not touched Apr 12 15:21:49 ~lart scons and opensync again Apr 12 15:21:49 * ibot whips out a shotgun, trudges over to scons and opensync again, and goes postal Apr 12 15:23:52 ~lart nokia for representing a Tree inside a table! Apr 12 15:23:53 * ibot pours gasoline all over nokia, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze for representing a Tree inside a table! Apr 12 15:31:31 libopensync.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped Apr 12 15:31:39 did I tell how I like scons? Apr 12 15:33:39 hrw: I heard you love scons and want to have its babies Apr 12 15:37:22 I assume 'inherit scons' didnt work Apr 12 15:38:01 koen: yep Apr 12 15:42:08 psokolovsky: btw, hx4700-acx also spams syslog Apr 12 15:43:29 hmm, anyone built python for angstrom lately? Apr 12 15:46:09 Crofton: yes, yesterday Apr 12 15:46:18 (perl seems to be broken, though) Apr 12 15:47:14 the QA failures in python are fixed then? Apr 12 15:47:18 * Crofton is pulling atm Apr 12 15:47:44 I haven't noticed QA issues Apr 12 15:47:47 hm Apr 12 15:47:54 I am goign to nuke tmp and rebuild Apr 12 15:49:45 * koen builds python for efika Apr 12 15:50:09 my toolchain needs rebuilding with newer gcc ... Apr 12 15:50:24 I hate it when gcc rebuilds, I like to get everything rebuilt then Apr 12 15:50:30 koen: quite possibly. However, the next aim I'd see for hx4700 is swicthing to defconfigman, like h3900, h4000, h5000 have already. Apr 12 15:50:55 and LAB? Apr 12 15:51:07 I hate being forced to do off-line upgraded Apr 12 15:51:21 (and fiddle with CF cards) Apr 12 15:51:26 upgrading* Apr 12 15:51:48 ~lart kernel image partitions Apr 12 15:51:48 * ibot makes a balloon animal out of kernel image partitions Apr 12 15:52:38 ERROR: QA Issue: non debug package contains .debug directory: python-misc path /work/ppc603e-angstrom-linux/python-2.4.4-ml1/install/python-misc/usr/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload/.debug/_tkinter.so Apr 12 15:52:38 ERROR: QA ran found fatal errors. Please consider fixing them Apr 12 15:52:54 well, repeatable problems are the best kind Apr 12 15:55:04 I think I have a fix Apr 12 15:55:41 koen: well, LAB on long to-do. Noone works on it now, unfortunately. People sniffed existance of initramfs-based bootloader, proclaimed that LAb must die, scared off novices who wanted to play with LAB, and now stuff just stalls ;-) Apr 12 15:56:09 koen, I will test later, rebuilding bootstrap-image atm Apr 12 15:56:24 Some guy in Estonia needs python on the OSK :) Apr 12 15:58:39 Crofton__: python is already in the angstrom feeds Apr 12 15:59:14 hmm Apr 12 15:59:21 you build for OSK? Apr 12 15:59:24 'ipkg install python' :) Apr 12 15:59:32 Crofton: OSK is armv5te Apr 12 15:59:46 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r23575cdf... 10/ (1 packages/python/python-2.4.4-manifest.inc): Apr 12 15:59:46 python-2.4.4-manifest.inc: fix python-misc Apr 12 15:59:46 * FILES_foo is useless is foo isn't in PACKAGES.... Apr 12 15:59:56 Crofton: so it can use http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/python/ Apr 12 16:00:07 interesting Apr 12 16:00:18 did it setup the ipkg config properly? Apr 12 16:00:41 hmm Apr 12 16:00:43 * koen fix Apr 12 16:02:17 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rc745880b... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom: add omap5192 support Apr 12 16:02:34 Crofton: there you go :) Apr 12 16:02:37 do you keep images there also? Apr 12 16:03:12 * Crofton should actually look at teh angstrom site more often Apr 12 16:03:16 no, but if you give me your ssh/dsa key you can upload them yourself to http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/ :) Apr 12 16:04:49 ok Apr 12 16:05:04 I'll drop the key in the email sometime Apr 12 16:06:44 do we have a profiler for openembedded Apr 12 16:07:16 oprofile? Apr 12 16:08:44 hmm Apr 12 16:08:48 let me try Apr 12 16:15:25 Crofton: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/omap5912osk/20070412/ :) Apr 12 16:15:54 hmm, you running abuild atm? Apr 12 16:17:25 I just built and uploaded a console image Apr 12 16:17:59 flash size is 32M Apr 12 16:18:25 the ext2 images won't be useful Apr 12 16:18:47 loop-chroot on CF :) Apr 12 16:18:50 I'll flash my osk with them and see what happens Apr 12 16:18:54 heh Apr 12 16:18:56 ok Apr 12 16:19:09 I don't want you burning disk space unless it is useful Apr 12 16:19:28 if these work, I'll update the cellinux wiki Apr 12 16:20:31 http://tree.celinuxforum.org/CelfPubWiki/OSK Apr 12 16:21:40 Crofton: check point #3 of TODO :) Apr 12 16:22:13 where is todo? Apr 12 16:22:34 README.txt? Apr 12 16:22:34 http://tree.celinuxforum.org/CelfPubWiki/OSK at the bottom Apr 12 16:22:51 heh Apr 12 16:22:57 I never read that far :) Apr 12 16:23:20 see point 2 also, it needs wacking Apr 12 16:23:27 gah, I need to do some real work for a bit Apr 12 17:31:18 is there a document on deriving a distro from openembedded ? Apr 12 17:32:28 hrw: http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ Apr 12 17:39:11 thx Apr 12 17:42:25 hrw: It's also in your blog moderation queue :) Apr 12 17:44:31 Depends: task-boot, task-base-kernel26, task-base-apm, task-base-alsa, task-base-usbhost, task-base-bluetooth, task-distro-nfs, task-distro-ppp, alsa-state, task-distro-base Apr 12 17:44:36 new task-base deps Apr 12 17:45:08 koen: moderated Apr 12 17:45:46 hrw: nice theme on haerwu.biz Apr 12 17:46:24 thx Apr 12 17:48:11 Depends: kernel, base-files, base-passwd, busybox, initscripts, modutils-initscripts, netbase, udev, sysvinit, tinylogin Apr 12 17:48:16 this is task-boot Apr 12 17:48:31 udev/sysvinit/tinylogin are optional ;D Apr 12 17:51:24 koen, uboot image worked ... Apr 12 17:51:33 Crofton: cool Apr 12 17:52:20 flashing kernel and fs next Apr 12 17:53:02 u-boot is always scary as recovery from failure is always a nuisance Apr 12 17:53:16 amen to that Apr 12 17:53:20 and u-boot's a mess to begin with Apr 12 17:53:27 but i am thankful it's there Apr 12 17:53:29 heh Apr 12 17:53:53 I do not have JTAG, so I have to use the flashrecovery utility, which is tricky to get it to work Apr 12 17:54:01 although I think I have mastered it Apr 12 18:01:03 koen, boots Apr 12 18:01:13 woooo! Apr 12 18:02:06 how do I spell python? Apr 12 18:02:12 ipkg install python Apr 12 18:03:16 hm dns look up seems broken ... Apr 12 18:05:01 * koen hides Apr 12 18:05:01 ah, hack resolv.conf, ipkg update, ipkg install python Apr 12 18:05:14 I can look at it some Apr 12 18:06:08 I'n not sure I have ever made namelookups actually work :) Apr 12 18:15:38 http://pastebin.ca/436746 - new task-base result for progear/angstrom (both modified) Apr 12 18:16:00 opinions? Apr 12 18:23:18 no one? Apr 12 18:23:45 looks ok after a brief glance Apr 12 18:35:15 mail sent Apr 12 18:35:40 few distro maintainers added to Cc: to mark people which from I expect some reaction Apr 12 18:35:40 ;) Apr 12 18:35:56 koen, remind me when you arrive? Apr 12 18:36:40 * koen digs out mail Apr 12 18:37:00 sunday night Apr 12 18:50:20 koen, do you have an evening free you'd like to do something? dinner? drinks? I know a great beer-bar in San Fran.... Apr 12 18:56:11 cu Apr 12 18:57:32 * Crofton waits for comments on American beer :) Apr 12 19:01:42 HopsNBarley: I don't know when I have an evening of, but I'd certainly like to go for beer/dinner/drinks in SF next week Apr 12 19:02:45 koen, got any food preferences? there is good thai and indian close to the bar. Apr 12 19:03:01 I'm open for anything Apr 12 19:03:14 hi hrw, are you here/home ? Apr 12 19:03:59 excellent. tues-thurs are better for me. i'll bring along a few straggly characters (-; Apr 12 19:04:14 :) Apr 12 19:04:19 are you traveling with anyone else? Apr 12 19:04:29 not that I know off :) Apr 12 19:06:30 Wish I could see the talk :) Apr 12 19:09:10 You can comment on the draft at http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/ELC2007.pdf Apr 12 19:18:54 koen: looks good :) Apr 12 19:22:09 That's because I used Apple Keynote :) Apr 12 19:22:47 koen, a guy in #ol is going to try out the Angstrom OSK images tomorrow Apr 12 19:23:11 Crofton: cool, I'm looking forward to test reports Apr 12 19:23:23 in fact, he just left this channel Apr 12 19:24:26 you kind of start in pretty fast :) Apr 12 19:24:35 The signal processing people were flattered by your interest in the uni SDR project ;) Apr 12 19:24:42 s/;)/:) Apr 12 19:25:21 they still want to make their own hw? Apr 12 19:26:17 yes, since they got funding for it Apr 12 19:26:22 heh Apr 12 19:26:28 that makes the world go round Apr 12 19:30:42 You need to insert OE into the hadrware Apr 12 19:49:05 when I mention "embedded" and "200MHz" in the same sentence they fallover laughing Apr 12 19:49:48 koen next time try : 14MHz, 32KB ram and 512KB flash Apr 12 19:51:25 i could try Apr 12 19:51:31 hehe Apr 12 19:51:48 "OE runs on 5 opamps and a capacitator" Apr 12 19:51:53 they must be high power guys Apr 12 19:52:39 http://www.lyrtech.com/DSP-development/dsp_fpga/sffsdrdevelopmentplatform.php Apr 12 19:52:48 koen: last time I told this to a student I was interviewing he asked me" but how can you run java on this??" Apr 12 19:52:53 This will be the source of my next problem Apr 12 19:53:30 koen: "Or invite us at conferences" hehehehe Apr 12 19:55:47 koen example 2 and 3 are great Apr 12 20:10:08 chouimat: wow...that must be *REALLY* embedded...:) One of these days I need to get my old 68332 BCC setup working again Apr 12 20:11:51 hvontres|poodle: LPC2138, I currently have the LPC2148 ... 42KB of ram and USB Apr 12 20:12:28 * RP likes his custom built AVR controlled datalogger. Totally useless now :/ Apr 12 20:13:12 RP: the lpc2148 was supposed to become an usb interface for CANBus (using CAN Open) Apr 12 20:14:10 RP: you could turn it into your own private weather station :) Apr 12 20:15:05 chouimat: why not use an EzUSB for that? Apr 12 20:15:07 hvontres|poodle: It was designed for automotive stuff - engine monitoring specifically. I could just use modern hardware to do the same job much more easily now... Apr 12 20:15:36 chouimat: interesting. I once started looking into that kind of thing but I've got rather distracted since then :/ Apr 12 20:15:46 there's nothing wrong with little systems Apr 12 20:15:56 hvontres|poodle: because I wasn't the one making the decisions ... and it was supposed to be a commercial product Apr 12 20:16:01 I've got an 80MHz MCF5282 beside me here I'm working on Apr 12 20:16:13 and before that was an 8MHz 8-bitter which obviously didn't run linux :-) Apr 12 20:16:35 I have a few 6809 systems here ... and they still works Apr 12 20:16:45 * koen should mention "blackfin" and "omap" some more to the budget people Apr 12 20:16:56 koen hehe Apr 12 20:17:02 tzanger: Agreed, like everything there is a place for them. I could just do much more useful things with a heavier system now in this case :) Apr 12 20:17:18 RP: indeed Apr 12 20:17:40 the place I get these boards mfg at they've got a client doing some kind of high-end F1 racer datalogging Apr 12 20:19:21 This logger was on a kart. The kind of kart with a six speed gear box, 150mph top speed and acceleration 0-60 in a few seconds :) Apr 12 20:19:55 Crofton: the sff sdr looks quite nice Apr 12 20:20:01 nice Apr 12 20:20:08 that's the kind of kart I'd love to have Apr 12 20:20:56 RP: too bad the kart isn't still attached...:) Apr 12 20:21:12 hehe Apr 12 20:21:23 Crofton: although davinci is still unknown territory for opensource Apr 12 20:21:38 hvontres|poodle: I still have the kart although in too many bits. The engines have a lot in common with a hand grenade ;-) Apr 12 20:21:53 * hvontres|poodle imagines some serious "debugging" sesions at the Track :) Apr 12 20:22:22 RP: any pictures from when it was together? Apr 12 20:22:30 * chouimat wonders if he should move his fat ass from the chair Apr 12 20:22:57 Crofton: btw, do you know of any realtime fft visualization thingies? Apr 12 20:23:19 hvontres|poodle: http://www.rp.rpsys.net/images/karts/CR250-1.jpg Apr 12 20:24:08 hvontres|poodle: With http://www.rp.rpsys.net/images/karts/pistons/cr250-1.jpg to explain why it was regularly in bits ;-) Apr 12 20:25:24 morning Apr 12 20:25:35 RP: how did the build go? Apr 12 20:25:51 rwhitby: completed :) Apr 12 20:26:00 koen, not yet Apr 12 20:26:18 RP: did the mokoslug/bootstrap-image build have any things that should be fixed? Apr 12 20:26:26 apparently the sff sdr is supposed to ship next Tuesday Apr 12 20:26:46 I think it will drive me crazy, but better Linux than Integrity ... Apr 12 20:26:52 rwhitby: I didn't have to change anything. I haven't looked at the output properly yet Apr 12 20:27:02 rwhitby: I'm about to try the image... Apr 12 20:27:11 RP: Ouch.... Apr 12 20:27:14 Crofton: TI is going to open up some more davinci bits this months Apr 12 20:27:23 I hope they hurry up Apr 12 20:27:39 I am going to be a real nuisance to some people over this board:) Apr 12 20:27:45 "next 4 months or so" <- Rishi last month Apr 12 20:27:51 hvontres|poodle: Keep in mind it does that whilst driving at race speed and you start to get the idea of the fun :} Apr 12 20:28:14 Board will ship in two weeks, Lyrtech 25 weeks ago Apr 12 20:28:30 er 2.5 Apr 12 20:29:38 RP: I can see how carting would be an "interesting" hobby. I guess compared to that debuggging bitbake is a cake walk :) Apr 12 20:29:48 Crofton: how much is the board + RF module? Apr 12 20:30:06 to much :) Apr 12 20:30:11 10K usd I think Apr 12 20:30:44 * mwester_ falls over Apr 12 20:30:49 koen: "For details about pricing and the platform, contact Lyrtech" == lots of money Apr 12 20:31:05 yep, they are high dollar hw guys Apr 12 20:31:48 translation: 'If you have to ask, you can't afford it' Apr 12 20:32:39 Good night Apr 12 20:34:00 damn, hrw beat my by 2 minutes Apr 12 20:34:20 'night all Apr 12 20:37:26 Hmm. Does OE require the presence of scrollkeeper-config? Apr 12 20:40:12 admins: ping? Apr 12 20:41:16 mithro: Which ones? Apr 12 20:41:24 not sure Apr 12 20:45:04 * chouimat|away is away: PUB!!! Apr 12 20:56:13 mithro: I think RP might want to know 'GSoC ones'... Apr 12 20:57:24 mmp: wasn't after the SoC ones Apr 12 20:57:42 mithro: ahh, sorry then:( Apr 12 20:58:00 mmp: that is okay Apr 12 20:58:13 I just that you asked similar question at #hho when there was talk about GSoC... Apr 12 21:13:45 Night Apr 12 22:16:52 is it possible to build opie+qt(e) in such a way that it runs on X11 nativley, without the qvfb thing? Apr 12 22:17:49 i 've tried to build opie with the X11 option but it fails to link with libqpe saying its not found, so i assume I have to build qte with x11 support which i'm not sure is possible Apr 12 22:18:00 cannot see the option anyway Apr 12 22:20:32 the oother optin is to use qvfb but i cannot get my app to build opie and wt setup in this way, i get a weird error, /home/dan/stuff/opie/opie/include/qpe/qpeapplication.h:217: error: 'class QWidget' has no member named 'qwsDisplay' Apr 12 22:23:05 whats wrong with qvfb? Apr 12 22:23:30 opie is framebuffer only Apr 12 22:24:00 dont need no stinkin' X Apr 12 22:25:59 ok, i've been using an app i made and ran on a simpad, but my pad screen has failed and am despertly trying to get the app running on a PC, but i cannot get it to build, it dies with the weird message about qpeapplication.h I posted above, thats after i followed the howto for building a opie environ running in qvfb Apr 12 22:26:13 and then trying to build my app using those includes and libs Apr 12 22:34:51 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r8ae04a59... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): gnome-doc-utils/gnome-desktop: Running scrollkeeper is pointless, disable. Apr 12 22:47:39 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r0b31bda3... 10/ (11 files in 2 dirs): tasks: Remove strange (uneeded) syntax before it spreads any further Apr 12 22:57:38 RP, you awake? Apr 12 23:01:53 kristoffer: yes Apr 12 23:04:00 RP, Im setting up the pcmcia interface through the platform_device system. pata_platform works fine, but having issues with getting the pcmcia (and thus pcmcia net cards) working Apr 12 23:04:42 The pcmcia seems to initialize properly, but I must be doing something wrong with the platform_device setup Apr 12 23:05:24 kristoffer: I really can't offer much advice based on that :/ Apr 12 23:06:23 RP, I know man, hard to put it inside one question. I'll try to find some good examples Apr 12 23:07:45 kristoffer: Is this something PXA based? Apr 12 23:08:01 RP, nah its for hp6xx, superh based Apr 12 23:09:08 kristoffer: hmm :/ Apr 12 23:09:44 rwhitby: The mokoslug image boots fine :). Apr 12 23:10:01 * RP -> sleep Apr 12 23:10:01 RP, I'll drop paul a mail asking for some input Apr 12 23:10:24 kristoffer: Which paul is that? Apr 12 23:10:36 RP, paul mundt, linuxsh maintainer Apr 12 23:10:53 right Apr 12 23:11:26 I wish I could help more. I don't know linuxsh at all though and only really the pxa bits of pcmcia... Apr 12 23:11:36 * RP really gone Apr 13 00:14:16 ok, have it built and it runs in a framebuffer nicely ;) is it possiblr to use PC pointer devices, ie a mouse with qws server? Apr 13 02:14:27 * chouimat|away is back. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 13 02:59:56 2007