**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 23 02:59:57 2007 Apr 23 06:02:59 hey when i build edje-native it fails at having not found edje-config-native, except that edje-config is present for the native machine but not called edje-config-native, is that a known issue? Apr 23 06:03:52 There's probably a missing edje-config-native BB file Apr 23 06:04:53 ah! cool updating db Apr 23 06:05:39 ofcourse also renaming edje-config to edje-config-native also works Apr 23 06:36:39 good morning' Apr 23 06:50:17 good morning all Apr 23 06:51:29 could someone look at this http://pastebin.ca/453818 please ? Apr 23 06:51:36 hi koen Apr 23 06:53:26 hey djay-il Apr 23 06:53:47 djay-il: bitbake pax-utils-native Apr 23 06:54:23 * koen kicks berlios.de Apr 23 06:56:20 shouldn't it be done automatically? Apr 23 06:57:21 it should, but it seems there's a bug in bitbake and/or a typo in OE Apr 23 06:58:30 oh, ok Apr 23 06:59:12 thanks Apr 23 07:13:30 koen: thanks btw, seems working now Apr 23 07:13:36 if i want to use oe as the baseline of our dev howto start? Apr 23 07:15:44 Readon: see the "use it" part of http://www.openembedded.org/ Apr 23 07:25:34 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r09ccd483... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Apr 23 07:25:34 busybox: Clean up syslog.conf file. Apr 23 07:25:34 * Typo fixes. Apr 23 07:25:34 * Order options in some logical sequence. Apr 23 07:25:34 * Make clear which option applies to which logging destination. Apr 23 07:25:35 * Remove bogus comments about file log rotation being "incompatible with Apr 23 07:25:36 busybox" (works at least with 1.2.1). Apr 23 07:30:10 koen, i mean a totally new machine Apr 23 07:48:43 morning Apr 23 07:49:58 hrw: good morning Apr 23 07:52:11 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r9f3d1b0c... 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): openmoko: add more panel plugins Apr 23 07:52:16 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rfb5940a0... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-openmoko.bb): task-openmoko: add more applets Apr 23 08:08:05 morning Apr 23 08:08:20 hey XorA Apr 23 08:08:41 XorA: I'll probably be in scotland just before guadec Apr 23 08:09:42 koen: cool Apr 23 08:23:36 koen: going to guadec then? Apr 23 08:23:47 more and more likely Apr 23 08:29:34 mroning Apr 23 08:29:57 "of its Linux 2.6.12-based Convergent Linux Platform" ... Apr 23 08:29:59 hey likewise Apr 23 08:33:51 2.6.12 is almost 2 years old Apr 23 08:37:39 * XorA finds a problem with zeroconf Apr 23 08:53:12 !oebug 2133 Apr 23 08:53:14 * * Bug 2133, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-04-23 01:53 Apr 23 08:53:15 * * koen(AT)dominion.kabel.utwente.nl: bitbake 1.8 r816 breaks SRC_DATE Apr 23 08:53:16 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2133 Apr 23 08:57:26 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r46a4a2ec... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-base.bb): task-base: make task-boot machine specific Apr 23 10:02:03 morning all Apr 23 10:14:00 hey ade|desk Apr 23 10:28:24 hey, how does one force a rebuild of the package list in deploy/ Apr 23 10:28:37 gosh 3 weeks away and only 600 rev changes .. not bad Apr 23 10:28:38 looks like the list and the packages present are different Apr 23 10:28:48 shres: bitbake -c clean package && bitbake package Apr 23 10:28:58 NAbyss, danke Apr 23 10:29:24 shres: Oh, the actual package list, not an individual package? Apr 23 10:29:39 yeah the actual package list Apr 23 10:29:53 i have a repo which is then used on the device to install new stuff Apr 23 10:29:54 bitbake package-index Apr 23 10:35:46 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rfdb3a990... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): matchbox-wm: add 1.2, merge in fixes from poky Apr 23 10:43:11 hey Apr 23 10:43:16 hey zecke Apr 23 10:43:18 RP: should I give you a hand to release bitbake 1.8.2? Apr 23 10:43:20 ~lart berlios Apr 23 10:43:20 * ibot teaches berlios that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. Apr 23 10:43:44 zecke: the dependency bug and #2133 need to get fixed first Apr 23 10:43:59 !oebug 2133 Apr 23 10:44:00 * * Bug 2133, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-04-23 01:53 Apr 23 10:44:01 * * koen(AT)dominion.kabel.utwente.nl: bitbake 1.8 r816 breaks SRC_DATE Apr 23 10:44:02 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2133 Apr 23 10:44:17 bitbake SRC_DATE = [SRC, DATE]? Apr 23 10:44:54 hmm Apr 23 10:53:24 wtf: why is freedesktop hosting scratchbox2? Apr 23 10:56:25 zecke: uh?! Apr 23 10:57:40 http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=sbox2.git;a=summary Apr 23 11:27:15 later Apr 23 12:07:48 re Apr 23 12:19:56 http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2007/04/this_art_sucks.html Apr 23 13:15:15 <_law_> http://pastebin.ca/454163 ipkg-cl where can i find this tool? Apr 23 13:16:03 ipkg-native Apr 23 13:27:38 mornin Apr 23 13:27:40 g Apr 23 13:27:58 <_law_> hrw, thanks and here is the next problem :-( http://pastebin.ca/454185 Apr 23 13:28:36 <_law_> Cannot find package glibc-localedata-i18n. Apr 23 13:32:03 tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv5te contain it? Apr 23 13:34:11 <_law_> hrw, no Apr 23 13:35:57 _law_: and this is glibc build? Apr 23 13:36:06 <_law_> hrw, yes Apr 23 13:36:44 then you need to rebuild glibc Apr 23 13:36:49 <_law_> hrw, glibc-locale-[be,ca....].ipk are here Apr 23 13:37:03 <_law_> hrw, ok i´ll try this Apr 23 13:37:26 * hrw goes into afk Apr 23 13:53:40 psokolovsky: I pushed your uart fix for bluez upstream Apr 23 13:54:44 koen: many thanks, that's cool! but is new release with it available? with status=applied would it be still applied to 3.9? Apr 23 13:57:28 I can't connect to any machines at berlios.de, is there somewhere else I can get bitbake 1.8 from? Apr 23 13:58:39 myopiate: http://debian.tu-bs.de/debian/pool/main/b/bitbake/bitbake_1.8.0.orig.tar.gz Apr 23 13:59:24 does palmLD has wifi? Apr 23 13:59:25 psokolovsky: new release is due soon Apr 23 13:59:38 stefan_schmidt: thanks heaps! Apr 23 13:59:42 psokolovsky: with a complete overhaul of the configure system Apr 23 13:59:47 koen: ok, nice! Apr 23 13:59:55 dbus must die ;-E Apr 23 14:00:24 psokolovsky: heh, bluez is going dbus completely Apr 23 14:00:33 qt 2.x need to die too! Apr 23 14:00:57 I think you mean "retarded old software like opie that is unmaintained" must die Apr 23 14:01:01 Anyone uses "deb http://www.openembedded.org/dl/packages/" in Feisty (Final)? Apr 23 14:01:26 likewise: interested in an EABI/EB port? Apr 23 14:01:39 koen: YES! Apr 23 14:02:29 likewise: lennert is going to work on it I'll ping you if there's something to test Apr 23 14:05:58 I have a problem with task-base Apr 23 14:06:20 if machine has pcmcia/pci/usbhost and distro has wifi then task-base-wifi should be added Apr 23 14:06:42 ideas how to solve? Apr 23 14:07:04 or even: Apr 23 14:07:08 if machine has wifi/pcmcia/pci/usbhost and distro has wifi then task-base-wifi should be added Apr 23 14:08:06 crap, I committed local diff Apr 23 14:08:16 disapprove it then Apr 23 14:08:35 http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-commits/2007-April/005096.html Apr 23 14:08:44 I'm not convinced it's a bad thing ;) Apr 23 14:09:05 revert Apr 23 14:09:13 it breaks my progear Apr 23 14:09:23 I'll add back the orinoco stuff Apr 23 14:09:29 I have Orinoco card in progear Apr 23 14:09:51 which I cant use now because I have WPA at home Apr 23 14:09:52 ;D Apr 23 14:12:45 koen: what is still broken in comparison to LE Apr 23 14:13:06 rwhitby mention a strlen issue Apr 23 14:14:03 koen: oh, these bugs keep on re-occuring each gcc release, because new patches have to be made etc etvc Apr 23 14:14:51 "Hmm. Klinkt alsof er misschien een strlen()-issue in glibc is. Er was vroeger wel een strlen()-issue op big endian, maar die moet al een hele tijd geleden gefixt zijn." Apr 23 14:14:56 that's what lennert said Apr 23 14:15:03 (excuse the dutch) Apr 23 14:15:08 koen: must be very tiresome for lennert to dive in again, but at least he can fix toolchain bugs faster than I can find them. Apr 23 14:15:47 koen: lennert was at ELC? Apr 23 14:15:58 no, he mailed me just now Apr 23 14:16:07 koen: ah, ok. Apr 23 14:23:29 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r4699a5e1... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-base.bb): task-base: readd orinoco stuff that got removed on last commit Apr 23 14:23:48 lalalalala Apr 23 14:25:27 http://pastebin.ca/454279 - read and complain Apr 23 14:26:50 hrw: HAAAAAA! code!!! Apr 23 14:27:33 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r76068958... 10/ (24 files in 3 dirs): Apr 23 14:27:33 linux-ezx: add experimental 2.6.20.7 kernel Apr 23 14:27:33 * the kernel is slightly to big, but people will use boot_usb anyway Apr 23 14:27:56 hrw: what if I don't want wifi support on a certain machine (e.g. nslu2) Apr 23 14:29:09 koen: you can use task-boot + set of task-base-* to create rootfs for it Apr 23 14:30:55 thats why I split task-base into task-base-* recipes Apr 23 14:31:21 chouimat: :-) Apr 23 14:32:17 likewise: should be ok in a few minutes I just had my first sip of coffee Apr 23 14:33:50 well, time to go face the press Apr 23 14:35:47 chouimat: ohh nooooo, not the "Devil's Brew" :) Apr 23 14:36:44 hvontres|poodle: I was on the phone with him this morning Apr 23 14:37:50 hvontres|poodle: and the conversation didn't give anything Apr 23 14:38:10 Crofton: ? Apr 23 14:38:25 Crofton: interview with you Apr 23 14:50:39 koen: Apr 23 14:50:39 | checking for gconftool-2... no Apr 23 14:50:43 NOTE: package matchbox-wm-1.2-r0: task do_configure: failed Apr 23 14:50:57 what's wrong here? gconf is built of course Apr 23 14:52:19 gconf-native too? Apr 23 14:52:24 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rb9551a5d... 10/ (1 packages/bluez/bcm2035-tool_0.0.bb): bcm2305-tool: add tool to poke firmware on a780 Apr 23 15:00:46 hrw: ok, that helped. should it be added to DEPENDS? I see other package(s?) do that. Apr 23 15:01:25 probably Apr 23 15:01:31 or inherit gconf? Apr 23 15:02:11 ok, will look further Apr 23 15:16:51 likewise, no interview, but the press stil lhas not left town Apr 23 15:17:08 hey likewise Apr 23 15:17:29 I have a photo of the lot that is emptying, I didn't get one of the lot that is full Apr 23 15:20:39 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r43dae5d2... 10/ (1 conf/machine/collie.conf): collie: use 2.6 by default. If someone want 2.4 then set MACHINE_KERNEL_VERSION=2.4 in local.conf Apr 23 15:20:43 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r8b506864... 10/ (1 conf/machine/progear.conf): progear: add touchscreen into features Apr 23 15:20:53 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r0b26a61d... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): contacts: update to 0.5 (from Poky) Apr 23 15:46:15 anyone got a map of berlin in pdf ? Apr 23 15:47:56 ade|desk: the berlin subway has a pdf of all the stations Apr 23 15:49:30 ade|desk: http://www.bvg.de/index.php/en/Bvg/Detail/folder/699/id/2719/nb/1/name/BVG+Network+Maps Apr 23 15:49:32 yeah thats handy, just need a streetmap to find my hotel Apr 23 15:49:45 google maps? Apr 23 15:50:27 * koen tries Apr 23 15:50:39 http://www.google.nl/maps?hl=nl&q=hotel+majestic&near=Berlin,+Germany&radius=0.0&latlng=52523781,13411895,15655013547598625998&sa=X&oi=local&ct=result&cd=1 Apr 23 15:50:44 it found my hotel for OEDEM :) Apr 23 15:53:17 yay, my google map skills are low, but i have a route from ICC to my hotel now Apr 23 15:53:22 cheers koen Apr 23 16:05:50 koen: my OEDEM sleeping place is a bit harder to find Apr 23 16:05:52 ;D Apr 23 16:07:13 hi Thomas Apr 23 16:10:38 koen: did you have a look what defconfig you added in recent ezx commit? Apr 23 16:15:32 psokolovsky: yes, the one from the 2.6.20.7 branch in the ezx svn Apr 23 16:15:54 gah Apr 23 16:15:57 hi all Apr 23 16:16:02 I committed the wrong one Apr 23 16:16:03 OEDEM ? when ? Apr 23 16:16:08 yep, some html crap got thru ;-) Apr 23 16:16:21 ~change 16 gbp to pln Apr 23 16:16:35 16.00 Pound (GBP) makes 89.2200 Zloty (PLN) (from http://www.xe.com/) Apr 23 16:16:39 Ifaistos: during vacations Apr 23 16:17:13 hmmm anyone interested in hosting it in Greece ? Apr 23 16:17:26 sun, sea, good food etc :) Apr 23 16:17:44 Ifaistos: will you organize it? Apr 23 16:18:03 yeah. why not :) Apr 23 16:18:17 hi all Apr 23 16:18:45 hrw: I finally got your cards. Apr 23 16:18:50 great Apr 23 16:19:00 thesing: does any of them works for you? Apr 23 16:19:32 hrw: the 64MB Scandisk works now. The other initializes but gives errors. Apr 23 16:19:37 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r909c507b... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-ezx-2.6.20.7/defconfig-a780): linux-ezx: de-html defconfig Apr 23 16:20:03 hrw : how many people do you estimate ? Apr 23 16:20:33 thesing: that 256M one can give lot of errors - I assume that it has some badblocks already Apr 23 16:20:44 Ifaistos: up to 20 Apr 23 16:21:12 Ifaistos: but this time we decided to have OEDEM in Poznan, Poland Apr 23 16:21:18 suspend on collie works fine, if the kernel doesn't contain PCMCIA. Otherwize it doesn't resume. Apr 23 16:21:46 thesing: so pcmcia driver for sa1100 need work Apr 23 16:22:09 thesing: contact gremlin[it], mrdata, mr_nice from #oe people about it Apr 23 16:22:30 yes it doesn't even work if compiled as module. Apr 23 16:22:40 gremlin works on h3600/h3800 kernel ih hh.org tree, mr_nice/mrdata works on simpad Apr 23 16:23:03 thesing: maybe also ask florian - he also have some sa1100 machines Apr 23 16:25:28 I think that this may be an issue with the scoop driver. Apr 23 16:25:44 then RP, do13 can help Apr 23 16:26:39 hrw : nice :) Haven't been in Poland for sometime :) when it is scheduled ? Apr 23 16:26:54 Ifaistos: june/august Apr 23 16:27:02 Ifaistos: no plans when exactly yet Apr 23 16:27:53 hrw : in any case. ping me if i can help with anything Apr 23 16:27:57 ok Apr 23 16:34:29 he Apr 23 16:37:09 is there any daemon that handles suspend keys, or should the kernel do this? Apr 23 16:38:02 kernel shoud do this Apr 23 16:38:19 or what you mean with suspend keys? Apr 23 16:38:30 wake up the device from suspend? Apr 23 16:38:53 no. I mean suspend the device. Apr 23 16:39:00 apmd? Apr 23 16:39:04 for sa1100 Apr 23 16:39:15 "apm -s" Apr 23 16:39:31 but collie lack powerkey Apr 23 16:40:45 I know "apm -s" but I want to press "Cancel" a few seconds to suspend the device. (The same behavior the 2.4 kernel had.) Apr 23 16:41:16 Sharp handled this in kernelspace. Apr 23 16:41:26 Sharp did many weird things Apr 23 16:41:56 I do not know does there is a clean way to handle it. Apr 23 16:42:45 Excellent, buildings have been declared media free zones! Apr 23 16:44:09 Does anybody know, how this is done on spitz? Apr 23 16:44:31 thesing: models newer then collie/poodle have power keys Apr 23 16:46:45 the collie "cancel" key is connected to SA1100 GPIO 0. So it could be used as a power key. Did I missunderstand something? Apr 23 16:47:15 * hrw is not kernel hacker Apr 23 16:47:36 thesing: try - if this will work then it will be great Apr 23 16:49:16 It will work. This is how sharp did it. But I'm not sure where to put it. Apr 23 16:49:38 sharpsl_pm? Apr 23 16:50:31 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r0ace7735... 10/ (1 packages/gpephone/linphone_1.5.0.bb): linphone: Make sure broken la files do not end up in staging. Apr 23 16:50:36 03florian 07org.oe.dev * raa810d2b... 10/ (1 packages/gpephone/libsettings_svn.bb): libsettings: Add svn recipe Apr 23 16:50:40 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r6c10e4e6... 10/ (1 packages/gpephone/librecord2_0.1.bb): librecord2: Add librecord2, the new G(PE)^2 database library. Apr 23 16:51:29 thesing: check with RP. I think he might have had getting the Cancel key to work somewhere on his ever expanding to to list. Apr 23 16:51:59 thesing: BTW, do you have VCC on pin 11 of the IO connector under 2.6? Apr 23 16:53:47 hvontres|poodle: I don't know. I never messed with the IO connector beside sticking a serial cable in it. ;) Apr 23 16:54:01 hmm.. my collie + serial cable == no response Apr 23 16:54:29 it works fine here. Apr 23 16:54:55 what are your serial settings? Apr 23 16:55:14 thesing: which serial cable are you using? Apr 23 16:55:17 115200 8n1 Apr 23 16:55:33 thesing: when I power my cable externaly, it works fine. Apr 23 16:55:59 the SERIALIO one. Apr 23 16:56:59 hrw: do you have software + hardware flow control disabled? Apr 23 16:58:08 exactly Apr 23 16:59:08 * hvontres|poodle wonders how the SERIALIO cable works..... Apr 23 16:59:16 I will reconnect Z to laptop Apr 23 17:00:03 hrw, thesing : do you guys have a spare conector and a Voltmeter? Apr 23 17:01:30 hvontres|poodle: no spare ones Apr 23 17:01:38 but should find some usb sync ones Apr 23 17:02:34 I have one ... somewhere. Wait a moment. Apr 23 17:03:03 hi all Apr 23 17:03:37 !oebug 2096 Apr 23 17:03:38 * * Bug 2096, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-04-09 08:20 Apr 23 17:03:40 * * hvontres(AT)sbcglobal.net: 2.6 Kernel on Poodle disables VCC (Pin11) on IO connector Apr 23 17:03:40 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2096 Apr 23 17:04:10 thesing: that bug report has a few more details. Apr 23 17:06:26 hvontres|poodle: which device you connect via serial? Apr 23 17:09:20 hrw: I am using the serial port to look at the serial console right now. I made my own cable to make sure the Z doesnt get fryed by the PC's +/-12V signals. For now, I power the cable from the pc Apr 23 17:10:22 hrw: I also have a home-made GPS that uses the 3.3V supply to control the power. I think the standard Sharp cable also uses that pin. Apr 23 17:10:44 hvontres|poodle: You'd mead a spare sharp-IO-port connector? I only have spare serial connectors. (male-male) Apr 23 17:11:11 I have original sharp cable but do not plan to disasemble it Apr 23 17:11:20 thesing: yes. a spare Zaurus connector...I bought two for a project a while back...:) Apr 23 17:12:11 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * rde1c6225... 10/ (1 packages/dillo/dillo_0.8.6.bb): Apr 23 17:12:11 dillo: move debug files to debug package. Probably closes 1911. Apr 23 17:12:11 General bb clean up. Apr 23 17:12:37 thesing: do you have a cradle? if so, you could open it up and probe the pins on the spare io connector in the back Apr 23 17:13:56 I'll try. Apr 23 17:14:38 I got collie login Apr 23 17:15:03 hrw: what did you change? Apr 23 17:19:53 nothing ;D Apr 23 17:20:09 ;) Apr 23 17:20:33 hvontres|poodle: Which pin is GND? Apr 23 17:25:41 hvontres|poodle: pin 11 is at 3.3 V. Apr 23 17:25:52 emerge ejabberd Apr 23 17:25:54 ooops Apr 23 17:26:26 * hrw flashed kernel with debug Apr 23 17:27:20 no.. it lack MMC_DEBUG Apr 23 17:27:31 thesing: thanks...so this appears to be a poodle only issue... Apr 23 17:27:47 thesing: are you interested in locomo verbose log from non-working card? Apr 23 17:28:09 or any other logs? Apr 23 17:28:41 not yet. I'll have to update the patches first. Apr 23 17:28:48 ok Apr 23 17:28:58 Some more cards should work now. Apr 23 17:29:10 great Apr 23 17:29:36 thesing: interested in getting more cards? Apr 23 17:30:53 btw - since you announced driver two users added themself into bounty - 50EUR + 25USD Apr 23 17:31:28 * koen bitbake kexec-tools Apr 23 17:32:03 Thanks, but not ATM. I know have three cards which worked without problems. The one from you which has some more requirements, and your nonworking one. If they all work, you can send me new nonworking cards ;) Apr 23 17:33:20 03koen 07org.oe.dev * racbfa288... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-rp-2.6.20/defconfig-collie): collie: enable MMC_DEBUG for 2.6 Apr 23 17:34:19 thesing: good deal ;D Apr 23 17:34:57 thesing: did they got in one piece? both were more or less near to being broken.. Apr 23 17:36:55 hrw: Yes they are fine. The letter was open and put into a platic bag. Probably customs. Apr 23 17:38:20 koen: sent Apr 23 17:39:26 ~lart sharp serial for blocking keyboard Apr 23 17:39:26 * ibot executes killall -HUP sharp serial for blocking keyboard Apr 23 17:40:00 hrw hm ah reminds me to watch on ebay for bluetoothkeyboards Apr 23 17:41:35 its a pity that there's no new zaurus I could buy from the bounty if I get it ;) Apr 23 17:41:52 thesing: you can buy other toy Apr 23 17:43:58 hrw: is the screen of your laptop suited for usage in sunlight? Apr 23 17:44:27 thesing: did not tested yet Apr 23 17:44:38 thesing: you should be able to find plenty of 3200's on ebay :) Apr 23 17:44:40 NOTE: the following files were installed but not shipped in any package: Apr 23 17:44:40 NOTE: /usr/bin/python2.4 Apr 23 17:44:42 hmmm Apr 23 17:45:10 thesing: I use it as x86 buildbox rather then normal machine Apr 23 17:48:10 I'm looking for a laptop I can use to work outside in the summer. But the displays are mostly bad for this. I wish there were a laptop with a transreflective screen as collie has... Apr 23 17:49:13 hvontres|poodle: I already own a 3100 and in times where you get 1GB SD cards for under 10 EUR the upgrade is not worth the money. Apr 23 17:49:32 collie screen is ... like 2.4 Sharp kernel - shitty and crappy Apr 23 17:49:47 thesing: ahh, I thought you only had the collie :) Apr 23 17:50:03 * hvontres|poodle only has a poodle...and a mortgage and kids... Apr 23 17:50:06 my palmpilot 5000 from 1998 has more readable screen probably Apr 23 17:50:16 hvontres|poodle: want to polish tosa situation? Apr 23 17:50:25 jdub had a great song at ELC2007: "No gentoo no cry" Apr 23 17:51:06 hrw: not sure I have enough free time.... kids and house suck up quite a bit :) Apr 23 17:51:39 I like the collie screen. In sunlight you don't need any backlight, to read the screen. Apr 23 17:53:18 * chouimat like is palm m125 Apr 23 17:53:25 thesing: tosa screen does not nearly need backlight to be readable in any light Apr 23 17:54:38 Ok I want a laptop with a tosa-like screen then ;) Apr 23 17:55:16 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rd0de2c6b... 10/ (1 packages/epdfview/epdfview_0.1.6.bb): epdfview: update to 0.1.6 Apr 23 17:55:33 Seen on the door to my building this morning : http://www.balister.org/~balister/MF_zone.jpg Apr 23 18:09:14 Crofton|laptop: Maybe they should post some of those at the Blacksburg city limits. Apr 23 18:09:44 cu all Apr 23 18:09:52 ciao hrw Apr 23 18:10:16 crofton oh Apr 23 18:24:17 Crofton : http://www.techonline.com/electronics_directory/livewebinar/198800643 Apr 23 18:24:48 Crofton| laptop :not sure if you have seen it Apr 23 18:27:10 morning all Apr 23 18:31:34 Good evening Apr 23 18:50:39 Any known workaround for bug 2035 ? Apr 23 18:55:16 !oebug 2035 Apr 23 18:55:17 * * Bug 2035, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-03-23 06:04 Apr 23 18:55:18 * * freyther(AT)inf.fu-berlin.de: perl-native is broken on feisty Apr 23 18:55:19 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2035 Apr 23 18:56:24 sirfred: The workaround is in the bug Apr 23 18:56:26 comment 2 Apr 23 18:56:45 I will post a more clear work-around as comment 3 Apr 23 18:56:52 Laibsch: Yes, it says its a dash issue. Apr 23 18:57:06 Laibsch: And I understand the reason is that /bin/sh is a link to dash. Apr 23 18:57:25 sirfred: right makedepend uses bash features and syntax Apr 23 18:57:36 sirfred: but asks to be called as POSIX.3 shell Apr 23 18:57:57 And perl wants bash. But, should I change just the SHELL env variable? Install an alternative in my ubuntu? Apr 23 18:58:36 I've seen the perl makefile seems to be full of direct calls to sh, not $(SHELL), so, should I change the link in my box? Apr 23 18:59:01 sirfred: no perl wants /bin/sh (POSIX.3) Apr 23 18:59:15 sirfred: the perl guys needs to be shot :) Apr 23 18:59:26 zecke: :) Apr 23 18:59:53 And what provides a pure and mighty POSIX.3 compliant /bin/sh in ubuntu? Apr 23 19:00:06 sirfred: dash :) Apr 23 19:00:29 sirfred: I was tempted to rewrite makedeped using python but then I found something better to waste my time Apr 23 19:00:33 * sirfred set itself ulimit -c unlimited and dumps core Apr 23 19:00:48 hehe Apr 23 19:00:50 zecke: For sure. Apr 23 19:01:02 sirfred: a) set /bin/sh to /bin/bash Apr 23 19:01:21 sirfred: b) fix makedepend and makedepend generation to require /bin/bash or /usr/bin/env bash Apr 23 19:02:19 sirfred: I just posted comment 3 Apr 23 19:02:24 Let's see Apr 23 19:02:55 Laibsch, zecke : Thanks a lot. Apr 23 19:04:21 Laibsch: reopened :) Apr 23 19:04:57 huh? Apr 23 19:04:59 why? Apr 23 19:05:00 Laibsch: what Ubuntu is doing is perfectly sane (well at least in this case) Apr 23 19:05:14 still not an OE bug or is it? Apr 23 19:05:39 Laibsch: If I need GNU BASH (something special) and I say give me ANY shell it is an error on my side Apr 23 19:06:05 Laibsch: well, if it is a OE bug or not is arguably Apr 23 19:06:07 OK, that would make it possibly a perl bug Apr 23 19:06:27 Anyway, I don't mind. I thought it was resolved Apr 23 19:06:50 The solution is more a workaround imho Apr 23 19:07:16 Laibsch: right, I will try to find some time to fixup perl Apr 23 19:07:23 Perfectly valid for me, anyway, as I don't care having sh as bash, but it's a perl issue. Apr 23 19:08:11 brb Apr 23 19:08:50 sirfred: OK, looks like this is the case. but with the current state of things shipping dash as default is irresponsible. That also makes it an ubuntu bug IMHO. Apr 23 19:09:11 There are more things than just perl going belly-up. Apr 23 19:10:40 Anyone that got an arm version of cvsup? Apr 23 19:11:01 Laibsch: Perhaps I'm mistaken, but as I understand the thing, the problem is perl asking for a given shell, and expecting more capabilities as most people uses to have bash as sh. Apr 23 19:11:31 Laibsch: hehe, well... Apr 23 19:11:33 So, dash should be enough, but perl wants more than an standard sh should provide. Apr 23 19:11:49 That is what I've understood, but who knows... Apr 23 19:11:55 sirfred: right Apr 23 19:12:06 zecke: Thanks, massster Apr 23 19:12:25 same as sed -i, cp -a people take these options for granted :) Apr 23 19:15:13 Great, my bitbake has surpassed the perl-native stone. Apr 23 19:52:13 re Apr 23 20:26:59 later Apr 23 20:48:23 Ifaistos, thanks for the Xilinx link Apr 23 20:48:34 not sure how well those work on Linux though Apr 23 21:06:46 http://pastebin.ca/454842 Apr 23 21:06:59 while building angstrom for omap5912osk Apr 23 21:11:29 svnnow ? Apr 23 21:11:35 that is wrong in so many ways Apr 23 21:12:31 hmm Apr 23 21:12:37 in my local.conf Apr 23 21:13:07 SRCDATE = "now" you mean? Apr 23 21:14:09 yes Apr 23 21:14:24 ok, rerunnig with that line commetned out Apr 23 21:14:32 Do not need it for this anyway :) Apr 23 21:14:54 till the openmoko dudes get off their lazy arses and send their updated fetcher to RP and zecke SRCDATE=now is broken Apr 23 21:15:21 someone broke SRCDATE="now"? Apr 23 21:15:30 it is broken by design Apr 23 21:15:50 try building one package on two different days and install it with ipkg Apr 23 21:16:15 yet again you mistake building with feeds.... Apr 23 21:16:23 or installing Apr 23 21:16:45 if you're using SRCDATE="now" you're a developer trying to check something and hence you know you need to force or uninstall Apr 23 21:16:51 heh Apr 23 21:17:00 that's a very naive standpoint Apr 23 21:17:03 SRCDATE="now" was never meant to be used for feeds Apr 23 21:17:24 OE was never meant for development as well Apr 23 21:17:35 and still SRCDATE=now exists Apr 23 21:17:48 well, then remove SRCDATE="now" as it is meant for developing only Apr 23 21:17:58 well, OE is still used for dev :) Apr 23 21:18:09 because the alternatives suck Apr 23 21:18:44 I don't understand how you'd want "now" to work....unless it recreates PV down to the second or rev or some-such but that will create lots of extra work dirs/ipks/etc Apr 23 21:19:21 I'd say 'rev' Apr 23 21:19:35 which is what the openmoko guys claim to be doing for bitbake 1.8 Apr 23 21:19:46 hm Apr 23 21:20:29 if SRCDATE=now were a pure devtool, it would make sure no packages were generated, to protect the innocent :) Apr 23 21:22:44 * koen looks at pcb.sf.net Apr 23 21:23:37 except what would be the point of building if you couldn't install and test? devs use ipkg too Apr 23 21:24:03 perhaps a I_UNDERSTAND_THAT_SRCDATE_now_IS_FOR_DEVS_ONLY = "yes" :-/ Apr 23 21:24:54 personally, I'd suggest leaving that to common sense and making fun of people without Apr 23 21:25:36 * Crofton|laptop forgets he is building images and doing dev owrk on the smae machine Apr 23 21:26:19 I have a whole stack of bogus OABI machine specific packages because I forgot to switch back to EABI after the collie build Apr 23 21:27:41 well, of to mow Apr 23 21:27:43 l8r guys Apr 23 21:45:34 03cbrake 07org.oe.dev * r08f3e67d... 10/ (1 packages/linux/compulab-pxa270_2.6.16.bb): Apr 23 21:45:34 compulab-pxa270 2.6.16: add task to create a kernel image file. Apr 23 21:45:34 The cm-x270 bootloader requires kernel image files in a special Apr 23 21:45:34 format and this addition adds that. Apr 23 21:51:54 Good night Apr 23 23:03:03 any fedora 7 users here? Apr 23 23:46:21 ~curse fbreader.bb Apr 23 23:46:26 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, fbreader.bb ! Apr 23 23:49:24 ~curse kismet Apr 23 23:49:45 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, kismet ! Apr 23 23:53:53 * CoreDump|afk thinks ibot could use some new curses... Apr 24 00:31:03 sigh - no mknbi in OE... :( Apr 24 00:31:09 stupid non-x86 using processors Apr 24 01:51:29 03coredump2 07org.oe.dev * rfda71929... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Apr 24 01:51:29 fbreader: Add 0.8.2a Apr 24 01:51:29 - cleanup .bb Apr 24 01:51:29 - set TARGET_ARCH = MACHINE Apr 24 01:51:29 - allow easy customization for different devices than 320x240 Zauruses... Apr 24 01:51:36 - Add basic fic-gta01 aka neo1973 support Apr 24 01:57:54 http://pastebin.ca/455199 exceptions.NameError:name 'base_less_or_equal' is not defined while evaluating Apr 24 02:01:07 base_less_or_equal is defined in base.bbclass, but rootfs_ipk_do_rootfs doesn't been expanded , so do_rootfs faulted **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 24 02:59:56 2007