**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 21 02:59:57 2007 May 21 03:04:33 this is the right channel, you might try tomorrow during the day though May 21 03:05:14 Right ... thanks ... ehhmmm .... with timezone are we talking about? May 21 03:05:22 ... sorry what timezone .... May 21 03:07:21 I don't know, I'm US Eastern(GMT -5 maybe?), but it's usually active during work hours here May 21 03:09:02 Fine .... are you using OpenEmbedded for yourself? I am just playing with it today but it gives a little unpolished impression .... May 21 03:09:36 I was, until I moved it to a new partition, and it borked it May 21 03:09:51 but I use it for a distro that's supported by it May 21 03:10:49 ok ... thanks for the help ... May 21 03:12:05 sorry I can't be of more use May 21 05:36:50 map71: Uclibc isn't all that well supported, very few people have been using it. There's some effort going on now towards getting 0.9.29 working reasonably well. May 21 05:53:15 morning all May 21 05:53:37 v8jlene hi ! May 21 05:55:27 stelios_: Morning May 21 05:56:39 v8jlene : what's the state of perl ? Haven't tried it to see how the new version is working May 21 05:57:43 stelios_: Should be better than the previous version. Perl itself is fine (as long as you don't have selinux enabled). May 21 05:58:11 stelios_: Perl modules should be in a better state as well. All .so's are now built for the correct arch and modules with sub makefiles now work. May 21 05:59:16 stelios_: perl modules that link to libperl.so are probably broken - they were broken before though, so no regression. There's some header issues which are pretty common (even outside of OE) which no one has much of clue about (apart from change your host system). May 21 06:04:39 v8jlene : cool ! I am still using 5.8.7, works reasonably well but has that dependancy problem. Had even webmin running :) May 21 06:07:01 stelios_: dependency problem? you referring to the perl-modules pulling in debugging and stuff? If so that's fixed in 5.8.8 as well. May 21 06:07:15 v8jlene : yep that one May 21 06:07:54 v8jlene : you get all kind of junk if you don't specify exactly the modules you want May 21 06:08:16 stelios_: 5.8.7 was too painful to fix due to all the different configurations, so I added 5.8.8 so I could start clean and fix as much stuff as possible... turned out to be far more work then I really wanted to do! May 21 06:09:29 v8jlene : this is the good/bad thing about OE... there are so many different things you can do and break if you are not careful May 21 06:11:01 stelios_: One of things I done with 5.8.8 was get rid of all the arch specific configs, there's just a single config with sight differences for le/be and 32/64 bit. May 21 06:13:14 v8jlene : let's hope there is no blood if 2 devs have different minds about what should be in that config ;) May 21 06:14:08 v8jlene : have to go to an early meeting. cu later May 21 06:14:23 * v8jlene waves May 21 06:35:53 good morning May 21 08:02:35 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r3e7a8ec5... 10/ (1 packages/aircrack/aircrack-ng_0.9.bb): aircrack-ng_0.9.bb : new edition from Zero_Chaos May 21 08:02:58 * * OE Bug 2350 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by dp@xora.org.uk May 21 08:02:59 * * [Bug 2350] Aircrack-ng May 21 08:03:00 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2350 May 21 08:03:03 hey guys, is there a buildroot to open embedded comparision somewhere? May 21 08:03:25 there was some in the user-manual May 21 08:06:11 hey koen May 21 08:06:13 long time no see May 21 08:06:37 is there a "Intro to Open Embedded for those unfortunate enough to use BuildRoot" somewhere? :P May 21 08:07:25 koen: do you have a "users" and "success stories" page as well? May 21 08:07:27 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r4e2ecbe3... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): bluez-gnome: fix DEPENDS May 21 08:08:32 mithro: like http://www.openembedded.org/successtories ? May 21 08:09:07 koen: I can't find a link to that from the website? May 21 08:09:36 there used to be one :) May 21 08:12:16 how does OE go? May 21 08:12:21 it's a long time since I looked at it May 21 08:13:15 pretty much like it has been doing :) May 21 08:14:14 koen: know if anyone is working with ucLinux and OE? May 21 08:14:43 (IE the MMUless processors) May 21 08:14:48 not that I know off May 21 08:36:36 hello all May 21 08:37:52 hey likewise May 21 08:38:09 why does control engineering has to suck so hard? May 21 08:39:40 * XorA chuckles at koen May 21 08:40:26 ~lart OpenUniversity press May 21 08:40:26 * ibot beats the living hamstercrap out of OpenUniversity press May 21 08:47:09 ~ugt May 21 08:47:23 [ugt] Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html May 21 08:47:37 stelios_: that's why we say 'morning' at all hours :) May 21 08:48:47 :) May 21 08:49:45 btw has anyone thought of adding something like the menuconfig openwrt has for OE ? May 21 08:51:59 we thought about it May 21 08:52:16 and ? May 21 08:52:56 no one has implemented it yet May 21 08:53:18 :) May 21 08:53:38 had a look at it during the weekend (in openwrt in general) May 21 08:54:05 as i am thinking of adding the machines openwrt supports into OE May 21 08:54:22 I think the first step would be something that lets you choose MACHINE, DISTRO, TMPDIR and later on the "make your own image" May 21 08:56:08 how would this tie to the existing OE. add a makefile in contributions and let people add machines/distro's ? May 21 08:59:09 * rwhitby is currently working on openwrt support for nslu2, dsmg600, nas100d, fsg3, ... May 21 09:01:48 morning :) May 21 09:03:54 Hi! May 21 09:04:33 stelios_: please start with adding openwrt machines, and only some time later with adding useless UIs ;-) May 21 09:05:58 * * OE Bug 2343 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by bugs.openembedded.org@rolf.leggewie.biz May 21 09:05:59 * * [Bug 2343] bb file for nano 2.0.6 (latest stable May 21 09:06:00 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2343 May 21 09:06:52 psokolovsky : I did pull some of the openwrt stuff for the magicbox build May 21 09:07:30 would be nice to add all their kernels consistently... May 21 09:08:10 psokolovsky : i think is doable. May 21 09:08:17 has anyone got sound working on hx2750? May 21 09:08:36 being able to build for my wrt54g in OE would be nice May 21 09:08:49 stelios_: surely. just need someone to concentrate on that... I'm stuck with pocketpc's so far for example ;-) May 21 09:09:12 wl500g even more nice ;-D May 21 09:10:33 good morning May 21 09:34:37 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * rc876168e... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): nano: upgrade to version 2.0.6. Closes 2343. May 21 09:43:58 * * OE Bug 2351 has been created by bero@arklinux.org May 21 09:43:59 * * gnome-desktop-2.16.1 doesn't compile May 21 09:44:00 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2351 May 21 09:56:27 03likewise 07org.oe.dev * rc018fc09... 10/ (1 packages/uclibc/uclibc_0.9.29.bb): uclibc-0.9.29: Fix inproper shift in mmap (uClibc bugid 1303). May 21 09:58:14 03likewise 07org.oe.dev * r9f8dec37... 10/ (1 packages/uclibc/uclibc_0.9.29.bb): uclibc-0.9.29: Revert untested patch, must test first. May 21 10:00:40 hello everyone May 21 10:01:05 hey vlo May 21 10:02:10 hey vlo May 21 10:02:16 too late May 21 10:02:21 he was scared by koen May 21 10:02:34 hey vlo :-) May 21 10:02:47 I would like to build a compiler that I can distribute to other people who are going to work on our OE-based platform. They do not want to use OE so they cannot build it by themself. Can I do it with the gcc-cross-sdk package ? May 21 10:03:16 First fix this: "They do not want to use OE" May 21 10:03:44 I can imagine people not wanting to spend a few hours and GB just for an SDK May 21 10:04:30 yeah I will be the one responsible for the platform and I am supposed to give them the SDK May 21 10:05:33 I attempted to fix the sdk bits last week May 21 10:05:50 An SDK is fine, as long as you are sure that the set of dependencies will not grow, because then we need to redo your SDK. May 21 10:06:02 but I couldn't figure out what all the magic was supposed to do May 21 10:06:20 the problem is that the gcc-cross used by OE has a lot of paths related to my specific filesystem, so I cannot distribute this one May 21 10:11:43 so gcc-cross-sdk is the package of choice for this problem ? or there is another way to build something equivalent ? Because now the build fails, which is logical according to what you said koen May 21 10:20:11 how can i set the framebuffer timings on hx2000 ? May 21 10:27:58 vlo: 'meta-sdk', which includes gcc-cross May 21 10:28:11 vlo: you'll have to poke florian to fix it May 21 10:29:18 * florian listens... what did i break? :) May 21 10:29:59 florian: more like 'what bitrotted' May 21 10:37:21 * ade|desk points out that florian personally broke not only meta-sdk but also my ginger biscuit, a tea mug with frog feet base, two small rocks near Leeds and the pavement outside my house May 21 10:37:46 can you tell its a slow meetings day today ? May 21 10:37:46 ade|desk: Id take out an ASBO on florian then May 21 10:38:18 hehe May 21 10:38:39 * florian feels evil ;) May 21 10:39:19 * ade|desk shakes a fist and slams head against mouse, "No! we are not getting Dell servers!" May 21 10:40:15 why do IT directors think they know best? May 21 10:41:18 we made a significant investment in HP Proliant kit and now he wants to get cheap dell crap .. grrrrrrrrr! May 21 10:42:19 * ade|desk slinks off to see if NetApps ISCSI and xen migration works well May 21 10:44:17 ade|desk: DELL been wining and dining? May 21 10:46:40 some Irish bloke to wild hair talking about Oracle/Dell relationship i suspect.. why i have no idea, we use SAP on HP May 21 10:46:56 s/to/with May 21 11:07:31 wee! got network & ipkg working on my hx2750 :-) May 21 11:12:48 gray: With internal wifi? May 21 11:13:11 no, cf wifi card May 21 11:13:23 with orinoco_cs module May 21 11:13:34 gray: Shame. I've ever hopeful someone will get that going :) May 21 11:14:29 i've heard it's supposed to be acx100 compatible, so maybe someday.. May 21 11:16:30 RP: do you know if there's a sound driver somewhere? May 21 11:16:45 gray: Nobody's written one May 21 11:17:03 :( May 21 11:17:07 * RP keeps meaning to but I don't really have the time :/ May 21 11:17:54 morning mickeyl May 21 11:24:52 hey mickeyl May 21 11:28:55 bah, meta-sdk fails on gcc-cross-sdk .... floriaannn `;o) May 21 11:40:58 * * OE Bug 2352 has been created by joaquinduran@adtelecom.es May 21 11:40:59 * * Unable to create gstreamer .xml plugin register due to May 21 11:41:00 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2352 May 21 12:34:54 03ospite 07org.oe.dev * r7b9f8326... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-ezx_2.6.21.bb): linux-exx 2.6.21: For now the code for serial console is disabled in compress.c May 21 12:38:11 RP: looked at the battery/power class stuff? May 21 12:42:42 re May 21 12:45:28 XorA: I don't dare :/ May 21 12:46:00 RP: heh heh, I was just wondering if the stuff from Anton that seems to have made it to -mm was probably the shape of things to come May 21 12:46:22 XorA: Was it from Anton or dwmw2? May 21 12:47:23 Hi everybody .... May 21 12:47:42 RP: Anton Vorontsov seems to be the author May 21 12:47:58 Are there any OpenEmbedded gurus around? May 21 12:48:16 XorA: ok, there were some other patches floating around a while ago... May 21 12:48:56 I have some problems and need some help ... May 21 12:50:12 map71: just ask May 21 12:51:04 I am trying to build a distro for my carPC (Via Epia MII-12000) ... that's why I wanted to expirement with OpenEmbedded. First just a distro based on DISTRO=generic-uclibc and MACHINE=epia ... May 21 12:51:19 But the gcc-4.1.1 breaks saying that the checksum does not match ... May 21 12:51:55 Then I removed the exception in base.bbclass and it did go on .... then uclibc did not build (on install) ... May 21 12:52:31 So I guesses: let's try just DISTRO=generic .... this fails also on gcc-cross-kernel-3.3.4_3.3.4.bb May 21 12:52:49 Is there some 'stable' version of OpenEmbedded that I am not aware of? May 21 12:53:36 there is May 21 12:53:44 DISTRO="angstrom-2007.1" May 21 12:56:07 ok ... will try that one .... May 21 12:56:24 ~lart akpm for not having a git tree when the rest of the world demands a git tree May 21 12:56:32 * ibot wallops akpm with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long for not having a git tree when the rest of the world demands a git tree May 21 12:57:37 But I guess that will still give me trouble with with gcc 4.1.1 (also used by angstrom-2007-1). Could somebody check this if it gives also a checksum mismatch? May 21 12:59:53 koen@bitbake:~/OE/monotone/org.openembedded.dev$ md5sum ../../downloads/gcc-4.1.1.tar.bz2 May 21 12:59:53 ad9f97a4d04982ccf4fd67cb464879f3 ../../downloads/gcc-4.1.1.tar.bz2 May 21 13:01:33 Yeah ... I get 8b4290ac838798920255381bcc1d629c gcc-4.1.1.tar.bz2 May 21 13:01:57 rm gcc-4.1.1.tar.bz2* and redownload May 21 13:02:46 kone: you did a redownload just now? May 21 13:02:56 koen: you did a redownload just now? May 21 13:03:13 no, since my checksums match the one from hrw :) May 21 13:03:46 koen: That's the point. I did a download three times and now always get this checksum ... I guess the upstream provider changed the file ... May 21 13:04:07 * koen wget wget http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/gcc/gcc-4.1.1/gcc-4.1.1.tar.bz2 May 21 13:06:34 map71: html May 21 13:06:54 aargh May 21 13:06:55 ]http://rafb.net/p/0sAdEg88.html May 21 13:17:42 koen: It did work now ... thanks ... May 21 13:46:58 * * OE Bug 2127 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by cliff.brake@gmail.com May 21 13:46:59 * * [Bug 2127] angstrom-console-image build now depends on May 21 13:47:00 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2127 May 21 13:57:50 Is minimo buildable straight from .dev now or are there some things that would need to be synced from poky? May 21 13:57:56 I cannot get it to compile May 21 13:58:13 Laibsch: builds fine here May 21 13:58:39 What machine? May 21 13:58:44 target machine? May 21 13:58:46 spitz and neo May 21 13:59:02 OK, I will try that May 21 13:59:27 nothing relevant in "mtn ls unknown" and "mtn ls changed"? May 21 13:59:50 Laibsch: whats your error? May 21 14:17:48 I am using the same local.conf file as ever, I have only changed the tmp dir and downloads dir location, and it does not work anymore: http://rafb.net/p/CZ7a9L36.html Why isn't shasum built ? May 21 14:27:08 XorA: Just a second May 21 14:29:04 XorA: http://rafb.net/p/Y471zY75.html May 21 14:29:14 Does that tell you anything? May 21 14:29:27 Cannot create executables sounds strange May 21 14:30:29 /export/interim/openembedded/tmp/angstrom/staging/arm-angstrom-linux/include that doesnt look right May 21 14:32:44 Laibsch: that looks like whatever machine/distro you set has fscked the paths May 21 14:33:14 hehe May 21 14:33:19 This is angstrom. May 21 14:33:25 koen? May 21 14:36:01 ++SPI from me May 21 14:36:47 checking whether the host c compiler (ccache gcc -isystem/home/gg/zaurus/build-terrier/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include -fexpensive-optimizations May 21 14:36:47 -fomit-frame-pointer -frename-registers -Os -L/home/gg/zaurus/build-terrier/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib -Wl,-rpath-link,/home/gg/zaurus/build-terrier/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib -Wl,-O1) works... yes May 21 14:37:00 Laibsch: my paths are beleivable May 21 14:37:05 Laibsch: ccache arm-angstrom-linux-gcc -march=armv5te -mtune=xscale <- you're using the wrong distro May 21 14:37:33 morning May 21 14:37:34 if you have armv5 you must use DISTRO="angstrom-2007.1", not DISTRO="angstrom-2007.1-oabi" May 21 14:38:27 OK. Thanks for letting me know. I will fix that. Can I use angstrom-2007.1 in all Zaurus machines? May 21 14:38:40 Laibsch: not on collie May 21 14:38:47 all machine except strongarm ones May 21 14:39:37 qemuarm: OK, spitz: OK, tosa: OK, collie not, use oabi? Correct? May 21 14:40:06 This kind of breaks multimachine, doesn't it? May 21 14:40:13 the angstrom-2007.1-oabi.conf lists all machines that are allowed to use it May 21 14:40:19 * Laibsch wonders how to deal with this May 21 14:40:27 koen: Thanks. I'll take a look May 21 14:40:43 it doesn't break multimachine, it works because of multimachine :) May 21 14:42:16 hi koen, can you tell me if you see any use for RamdiskRescue from oe's point of view? I'm getting ready for some major improvements so pointers appreciated. May 21 14:42:35 I don't know what ramdisk rescue is May 21 14:42:44 is it trademarked? May 21 14:42:57 does it hijack irc channels? May 21 14:43:26 http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/RamdiskRescue May 21 14:43:31 heh May 21 14:43:44 haven't lost your sense of humour ;) May 21 14:44:18 http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=175370 May 21 14:44:48 I might be able to make it hack #'s if you put in a feature request ;) May 21 14:46:11 screenshots of full menu system here: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=2306& May 21 14:47:01 looks like altboot to me May 21 14:47:12 really? May 21 14:47:16 except infinitely less confusing May 21 14:47:22 lol May 21 14:47:46 guess I'd better take a look at altboot then ;) May 21 14:48:02 mzb: talk to CoreDump|afk and hvontres|poodle May 21 14:48:26 got anything in mind? May 21 14:52:33 koen: I've specifically written it for newbies wanting to try linux. Takes away the 101 steps of "must do this". However, it's actually got quite a large list of features (hence the *rescue" title). It's failing (if you like) atm is that it's actually a 3 (or 4?) thousand line ash script (short story), but I'm planning on writing the menu portion of it in C or C++ (can't decide) to improve speed, and to add a more modular function to it. May 21 14:52:36 Can I do "DISTRO_collie = angstrom-2007.1-oabi" and "DISTRO ?= angstrom-2007.1" in local.conf and expect things to work? May 21 14:53:09 Laibsch: you mean, build both in one tmp/ tree? yes, i do (did) so. May 21 14:53:46 hi psokolovsky_: I'm trying to get back up to speed ;) May 21 14:53:54 mzb: cool ;-) May 21 14:54:47 psokolovsky_: Thank you for the feedback May 21 14:55:49 because of it's nature, I'm not convinced that RR needs to be distro specific, however, there's no reason why distro-specific (ie. logo branding) can't be done (afaik) May 21 14:56:00 mzb: sounds a bit like the C port of altboot hvontres|poodle is wanting to do May 21 14:58:25 k, after a 3sec look at altboot, it appears not to be a "HaRET-bootable" installer, right? May 21 14:58:58 whereas RR can boot from anything that supports an initrd (in theory) May 21 14:59:44 or is my ignorance perforating my nappy again? May 21 15:00:37 Laibsch: did the cables ever show up? May 21 15:01:13 [oe] baned from #OE IRC channel :-D May 21 15:01:52 btw: I did originally have *some* angstrom support, but there were too many (more than 1!) images for h2200 at the time, so although RR still has the ability, it's not officially supported. May 21 15:02:44 * chouimat|bored is listening to Descent of the Damned by Buckethead on Cuckoo Clocks of Hell [Amarok] May 21 15:02:56 XorA: "maintenaince error" or "accident" or some other bullshit reason france tends to use come to mind May 21 15:03:15 mzb: from my (somewhat limited) understanding of altboot, it was designed replace /sbin/init and offer a couple of cohices at bootup May 21 15:03:44 k, so it's not intended as an installer from ppc, right? May 21 15:04:11 koen + XorA: mind if I ask why he was banned? May 21 15:04:32 maybe he wasn't welcome May 21 15:04:36 mzb: not that I am aware of. CoreDump|afk would know more, since he created it. I am just hacking at it some more :) May 21 15:04:50 or maybe don't want our irc channel rerouted to #handhelds-oe May 21 15:04:53 dunno May 21 15:05:05 mzb: I dont know for sure, but I suspect it was to do with his general bad attitude towards us and his hijacking of #gpe and #opie May 21 15:05:07 koen: odd attitude for a free # ? May 21 15:05:26 mzb: dunno May 21 15:05:51 ok, so it's a question of ownership ... probably best solved out of #'s ? May 21 15:06:42 because either way you look at it ... the bitching going on in the #'s and the lists is not doing handhelds (of any type) any good. May 21 15:08:10 mzb: true, I advocate #handhelds-fightclub :-) May 21 15:08:11 hvontres|poodle: ok .. so you can see the diff in the approach I've taken with RR? I don't think the two overlap. May 21 15:08:18 ok ;) May 21 15:08:25 ~slap XorA May 21 15:08:27 * ibot slaps XorA, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! May 21 15:08:28 ur turn ;) May 21 15:08:40 ~prod mzb May 21 15:08:42 * ibot zaps mzb with a high voltage cattle prod May 21 15:08:48 * hvontres|poodle hides May 21 15:08:57 XorA: the first rule of fight club is.... May 21 15:09:01 4qu2! ... made me spill my drink! ... oh dear! May 21 15:09:03 lol May 21 15:09:17 lol@lrg May 21 15:09:42 ah well May 21 15:09:42 although the first rule was always broken, otherwise the film would have been a bit duller May 21 15:09:52 first rule is to make sure nobody else can talk about it , kill everyone :) May 21 15:10:00 not like it was beer or anything ;) May 21 15:11:00 koen: had a taste of Cascade Pale Ale yet? (they changed the recipe since we last talked about it:( May 21 15:11:16 (it's now < 5%! ... grr) May 21 15:13:21 Hi May 21 15:13:52 mzb: haven't tried it yet May 21 15:13:57 hey keesj May 21 15:14:26 koen: ok, I'll ask in another few years ;) May 21 15:14:57 I love Italy May 21 15:15:08 (prob better to try Boags or Cascade Premium first though ... now that the recipe has changed;) May 21 15:15:19 we just had the shot of the hot chick on a topless beach during the giro coverage May 21 15:17:40 Crofton: Link, pleaseeeeeeee :) May 21 15:17:58 soory, pay for US only May 21 15:18:20 CA isn't US anymore? May 21 15:18:31 Crofton: grrrr. May 21 15:18:40 Crofton: you have to pay for pr0n :-D May 21 15:18:42 well, it was on the live coverage, and you have to pay for the video :) May 21 15:18:51 well bicycle racing May 21 15:19:13 every now an then the helocopter cam checks things outs May 21 15:19:24 Crofton: and you didn't run it through your tivo? May 21 15:20:00 * hvontres|poodle thinks being a helicopeter camera guy could be a good career change... May 21 15:20:14 hvontres|poodle: in countries where nudity isnt banned anyway May 21 15:20:27 hvontres|poodle: http://stringfellowhawke.com/ May 21 15:20:39 XorA: heh.. or impractical... May 21 15:21:44 koen: Airwolf? May 21 15:21:53 XorA: yes May 21 15:21:59 * XorA chuckles May 21 15:22:21 the "I also have extensive experience flying the top-secret supersonic helicopter known as Airwolf on many successful missions." in the cv is hilarious May 21 15:22:41 Anybody care to explain why the F* FILES_${PN} is not populated by default anymore? May 21 15:22:53 koen: hehe.. I especially liked "masonry" listed as a skill...:) May 21 15:23:09 anttix: it still is over here... May 21 15:23:27 Hmm, strange xev, xmodmap, and a lot of other packages are broken for me :P May 21 15:23:37 I use bitbake 1.8 May 21 15:25:10 Packaged contents of xev into /data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv6/xev_X11R7.0-1.0.1-r0_armv6.ipk May 21 15:25:15 anttix: sounds like the heisenbug I hit here on occasion May 21 15:26:00 Ok, what to do? :P May 21 15:26:16 BB>> peek xev FILES_xev May 21 15:26:16 /usr/lib/X11/xev May 21 15:26:24 anttix: it always works when I rebuild the package, thats why its so hard to track May 21 15:26:29 This is clearly wrong. May 21 15:26:39 ah, right, bitbake -i doesn't package files May 21 15:26:52 how come? :P May 21 15:27:04 bugs May 21 15:27:23 ah that will explain my heisenbug then May 21 15:27:28 so bitbake -i is seriously broken? May 21 15:27:48 anttix: when I last tried it, maybe RPs fixes from yesterday fixed it May 21 15:28:03 OMG: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/32016 <- the dude resent his message..... May 21 15:28:25 I don't think so, I updated my OE tree and bitbake 5 minutes ago. May 21 15:28:58 shit :( May 21 15:29:35 now I have to rebuild everything from scratch to be sure that files are not missing from final imag :( May 21 15:29:56 anttix: Well. Easy solution. Built a baseline tree to you trust May 21 15:30:05 anttix: ipkg-diff all new builts against your baseline May 21 15:32:12 thanx for the idea zecke ipkg-diff is in which package? I didn't find it from staging :P May 21 15:36:32 anttix: it is in contrib/qa of OE May 21 15:36:43 thanx May 21 15:39:45 btw: koen + XorA: I still don't understand why gf's #hh-* renaming affected #oe (or it's members), or why he was banned. He's still a member of the public, right? May 21 15:40:58 mzb: as I said I dont know why kergoth banned him, i can only guess May 21 15:41:08 mzb: I assume only kergoth can tell you May 21 15:41:13 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r31728153... 10/ (1 packages/bluez/bluez-gnome_0.7.bb): bluez-gnome: add 0.7 release May 21 15:41:43 I tried asking, he seems to have been squashed under some sort of heavy object. May 21 15:42:12 mzb: last I heard he kept late hours even for a US guy May 21 15:42:50 mzb: having been personally abused in the past by gf, Im not sorry for the ban May 21 15:43:10 in public? May 21 15:43:13 mzb: The problem is this is starting to look like a legal nightmare and for that reason, I suspect people need be careful about what they say May 21 15:43:25 mzb: in #gpe May 21 15:43:30 RP: I agree, hence my questions May 21 15:43:33 anyone maintaining xserver-xorg packages online? May 21 15:43:50 mzb: My answer means you probably won't find answers though May 21 15:43:52 kergoth does not run around banning people May 21 15:44:34 SO I would guess he has a good reason May 21 15:44:45 maybe he was mistaken for gw280? May 21 15:44:50 RP: I'm not looking for a challenge or a riddle ;) ... If you can't spell it out for me (and everybody else), then I really don't need to know the answer ;) May 21 15:45:08 (ie. if it's not public knowledge I don't want it;) May 21 15:45:26 mzb: wait to see if Kergoth answers the email May 21 15:45:35 mzb: as we will get the info at the same time :-) May 21 15:45:42 ok, np May 21 15:46:11 anyway time to catch trains May 21 15:46:11 People cc'ing law firms is never a good sign May 21 15:46:23 RP: WTF?? May 21 15:46:33 I look forward to the end of all this bitching ... and the continuation of more beer drinking (apologies to those who are either alcoholic or alergic to hops;) May 21 15:46:49 XorA|gone: Lets just say I think kergoth needs to be careful :/ May 21 15:47:03 hmm May 21 15:48:59 either that, or further conversations on "free"node are going to be determined by your credit card limit when you register ;) May 21 15:49:15 mzb: no offense taken ... I will simply get wine :) May 21 15:49:28 chouimat: :) good call May 21 15:49:55 Iced tea? May 21 15:50:12 tea'd ice? May 21 15:51:17 Ice is cheap; boosts profits. It's always fun to order a soda *without* the ice here; they hate that. May 21 15:51:35 mwester: hehe May 21 15:51:50 mwester: gee, It'd have to be pretty good ... not sure if "run-of-the-mill" iced-tea would be good enough ... but then again ... I guess you can't discriminate against those that either a) can't afford good iced-tea, or b) prefer warm+dirty water ;) May 21 15:52:03 snapple ice tea ftw May 21 15:52:34 koen too sweet May 21 15:55:58 * * OE Bug 2353 has been created by antti.andreimann@mail.ee May 21 15:55:59 * * xserver-xorg 1.2.0 package broken May 21 15:56:00 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2353 May 21 15:56:33 ohhh... auto-bugging :) May 21 16:00:58 * * OE Bug 2354 has been created by antti.andreimann@mail.ee May 21 16:00:59 * * xf86-input-keyboard 1.2.0 needs xserver 1.3.0.0 but it's May 21 16:01:00 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2354 May 21 16:02:51 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r31728153... 10/ (1 packages/bluez/bluez-gnome_0.7.bb): bluez-gnome: add 0.7 release May 21 16:03:52 great, cia is amnesic again May 21 16:08:45 hvontres|poodle: No cables yet May 21 16:08:59 But I think it has been less than a week, right? May 21 16:16:45 Laibsch: hmmmm....I thought I had sent those out on May 9th... May 21 16:19:36 Depending on the type of transport it could still take a while. May 21 16:20:20 I still find it funny that the *german* parcel service delivers stuff from the us to my home May 21 16:20:33 Laibsch: ok. May 21 16:20:37 koen: DHL? May 21 16:21:05 Doofer Packet Dienst May 21 16:21:08 koen: We're everywhere ;-9 May 21 16:22:02 Laibsch: yeah.. I could even get my cell over here from DT, thanks to T-Mobile... May 21 16:22:59 * mwester mutters something about how his expense reports take over two weeks to get across the US/Canada border, but he can drive there in less than a day. May 21 16:28:14 psokolovsky_: Do you do that oabi trick *and* separate out tmp by DISTRO? May 21 16:28:25 It seems I run into some trouble here. May 21 16:29:01 Laibsch: TARGET_OS is different for oabi and eabi May 21 16:29:15 Laibsch: nope, as I told, I just change DISTRO to oabi, and just use the same directory as usual May 21 16:33:14 RP: 19-05-2007 11:28:07 < koen!i=koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl (kergoth): Since france has hijacked #gpe and #opie and banned pretty much everyone, can we keep him out of #oe? -- i took him at his word, and added the ban. if he was wrong, by all means remove it. May 21 16:34:27 I sure as hell wasn't wrong May 21 16:35:28 see http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/gpe-list/2007-May/000383.html and http://handhelds.org/hypermail/opie/120/12040.html May 21 16:36:30 kergoth: Since you are here. May I ask you what the future of tslib is going to be? It seems nobody is taking care of it right now. May 21 16:37:23 Laibsch, if anyone wants to volunteer to maintain it and get a release out, they're welcome to take it over. i'm afraid that i'm quite burned out on open source development, and no longer code for a hobby May 21 16:38:15 * chouimat|lunch is sad ... efika at 99$ is still too expensive for now :( May 21 16:39:37 kergoth: sound like a depression imho :) May 21 16:39:47 kergoth: so you have banned france on koen's word, right? May 21 16:40:23 That's correct. But I could have banned him on a whim, I don't need a reason. May 21 16:41:13 well I guess any chanop could do that, I'd just like to know the reason why. May 21 16:42:09 as you can see in the links koen just posted, his word was accurate. I see no reason to provide france courtesies when he clearly does not provide them to others, claiming trademarks on things he has no right to, and hijacking channels he does not maintain May 21 16:42:29 s/channels/channels of projects/ May 21 16:42:38 koen the thread of the second link is interesting ... the guy sound like one of my former employer ... X..d..s :) May 21 16:43:00 chouimat|lunch: glad you got out of there May 21 16:44:14 kergoth: neither of those links are posts by france. May 21 16:44:34 his replies are in the thread. perhaps you should read. May 21 16:44:41 k May 21 16:45:05 koen now the job is more fun but doesn't pay as often :) May 21 16:46:52 kergoth: I understand. I came across at least one patch in the OE bug tracker that I thought was an obvious fix. There is just noone to apply it. Unfortunately, my skills are not up to par to take over the whole project. May 21 16:46:59 !oebug 518 May 21 16:47:01 * * Bug 518, Status: NEW, Created: 2005-12-10 05:39 May 21 16:47:02 * * mardy(AT)users.sourceforge.net: \[PATCH\] tslib: work with different screen resolution May 21 16:47:03 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=518 May 21 16:47:12 kergoth: ok, after a quick skim (I'm no lawyer!), it looks like the whole issue is between france and Lorn ... how is #oe involved? May 21 16:47:51 mzb: It looks like he took over #gpe as well May 21 16:47:54 But lost it May 21 16:48:05 That should probably already tell something May 21 16:48:07 Again, if he fails to be courteous or respectful to anyone else, I see no reason to provide him the courtesy of access to the information in this channel, and OE has relationships with both the Opie and GPE projects. May 21 16:48:27 kergoth: There are logs ;-) May 21 16:48:50 Laibsch, i'll go ahead and apply that.. it shouldn't require much motivation to apply a patch ;) May 21 16:49:11 sorry, but I've been in # the whole time .... no chat in # for hours, and then you kick, and then kick/ban france. How are your actions relevant to the posts mentioned? May 21 16:49:31 Are you actually this dense, or just playing devil's advocate? May 21 16:49:37 I'm really quite curious. May 21 16:49:39 kergoth: Great, thanks. May 21 16:49:52 I'm starting to think I'm the former May 21 16:50:05 congratulations May 21 16:50:23 kergoth, Laibsch: note that that patch does change the pointercal format May 21 16:51:05 hmm May 21 16:51:14 I fail to see, after all the bullshit, how you can defend a "free and open" attitude when you kick/ban the person who helped everyone get off the ground in the first place May 21 16:51:44 He hosted some files for us and then claimed he had a right to the names of the projects. he can go fuck himself, thanks. May 21 16:51:53 mzb: openzaurus and thus OE were founded by kergoth, not by george May 21 16:52:10 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r31728153... 10/ (1 packages/bluez/bluez-gnome_0.7.bb): bluez-gnome: add 0.7 release May 21 16:52:13 ps: insulting my intelligence at 3am is only going to earn you bad karma, not a lawsuit May 21 16:53:21 koen: I didn't refer to oz or oe, I mentioned hh.org and it's founder ... that (afaik) rescued it from compaq during the last millenium May 21 16:54:33 kergoth: well thanks for your opinion, you still haven't given me an answer other than you were driven by subjective crap to seek vengeance May 21 16:55:52 Access to the irc channel is a courtesy that I no longer wished to provide to him. I don't need any other reason, so you can take that silly attitude of yours and shove it up your ass. May 21 16:56:19 If someone currently maintaining OE chooses to return his access and countermand that decision, they're welcome to May 21 16:56:21 * Zero_Chaos passes kergoth a hard earned beer May 21 16:56:42 I am desperately trying to compile a distro for X86 architecture. I have the following .conf file: http://pastebin.ca/500545 I just not able to compile anything. What is wrong? May 21 16:56:43 * hvontres|poodle feels like he is back at home, lisetneing to his kids argue... May 21 16:57:48 kergoth: bend over for a return to sender May 21 16:58:23 I think he'd have to stop kissing france's ass for a bit to have time for a return to sender. May 21 16:59:34 kergoth: ps: hope your attitude+karma catch up with you real soon! May 21 16:59:39 kergoth: hehe May 21 16:59:57 mzb: I think he'd have to stop kissing france's ass for a bit to have time for a return to sender. May 21 17:00:06 good thing I don't care about your hopes, isn't it? May 21 17:00:16 I'm only too happy to disappoint you. May 21 17:00:54 If you'd shutup I'd have more time to do it, I guess :) May 21 17:01:28 bah, I just wanted that #oe wouldn't get hijacked, not this mess May 21 17:01:46 but I still feel george isn't welcome in any OE related project anymore May 21 17:02:08 It isn't a mess, it's just some george france fanboy whining May 21 17:02:30 koen: I simply asked a question ... I didn't start the bullshit, and I'm not trying to fuel it. If the children can calm down, then we can all have a beverage and chill out. May 21 17:04:03 right kergoth? May 21 17:05:29 If you expect people to believe that you're innocent in this particular flamewar, you'd better try to hide the logs from them. May 21 17:05:59 which puddle are you slinging mud from now? May 21 17:06:39 your foundless claims of innocence. of course you started the bullshit in this channel. i made a ban, which i have every right to do, and you won't stop bitching May 21 17:07:16 I'd be tempted to call you blind or deaf, but that would be incorrect, right? May 21 17:07:39 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r31728153... 10/ (1 packages/bluez/bluez-gnome_0.7.bb): bluez-gnome: add 0.7 release May 21 17:07:42 Well, clearly you don't see a need for logic or facts in your arguments, so feel free. May 21 17:07:50 I wouldn't expect anything less May 21 17:08:20 I asked you a question, and the best that you can tell me is that you made an emotive decision based on other ppl's opinions. Then you proceeded to abuse me. That's YOUR problem MATE! May 21 17:08:43 Come on guys. Whu don't You sort it out in private ok? May 21 17:09:23 mzb, I was one of the founders of Opie, founded OE, and I've seen france's nonsense before. Not all of those opinions are those of other people. May 21 17:10:14 Want a medal now or after you apologise for the insults? ;p May 21 17:10:31 * chouimat|lunch goes fetch a beer and some popcorn to enjoy the show May 21 17:10:34 Calling you dense wasn't an insult, it was a choice in a question, the most logical one. May 21 17:10:42 lol May 21 17:11:05 2 medals, then? May 21 17:11:06 You won't get an apology for that, you'll just have to *sniff* survive without it. May 21 17:11:09 I see the logic in kergoths' decision. Mr. mzb, I strongly suggest You behave. May 21 17:12:10 and koen has pointed out a reason beyond those already discussed, the safety of this channel. he has hijacked gpe and opie's channels, he shouldn't be given any more opportunities. May 21 17:12:20 france sound like a free rider like Xandros May 21 17:13:13 Pardon my ignorance, but WTH is france? A country, Yes, but I don't think You meant that :P May 21 17:13:26 George France May 21 17:13:32 anttix: :) May 21 17:13:43 ok May 21 17:13:53 I'll try this once more, just to prove how dense I really am :p... I have asked a question, the answer to which didn't sound right (considering the garbage about freedom that a few of you have been spouting). So, the problem really is that a few of you have unresolved issues, and when I ask a question about the subject you take it out on me. May 21 17:14:17 Does not a free # make. May 21 17:14:59 I have never spouted anything about freedom, so take out your anger on someone else. Find another outlet. May 21 17:15:14 mzb: If understood correctly the reason of the ban is G.F hijacked some channel and told everyone (including those who started the projects) that he own the projects for some obscure reasons on hh.org website .... May 21 17:15:40 channels (plural) May 21 17:15:54 kergoth: apart from my response to your abuse, what makes you think that I have anger issues? May 21 17:16:23 koen yes my dear compiler ;) May 21 17:16:32 syntax error May 21 17:16:33 chouimat: thank you ... that is an answer I can understand May 21 17:16:56 and that was the answer given by koen and the email threads, but apparently reading is beyond you. May 21 17:17:24 grow up kergoth, or get a hobby May 21 17:17:40 You're imagining evangelism of freedom where none exists. Either you have anger issues, or you're hallucinating. I figured the former was more likely May 21 17:17:41 kergoth: guess who op in the hijacked channels May 21 17:17:47 ~fish @kergoth for his people skills May 21 17:17:49 who's May 21 17:17:57 * ibot slaps @kergoth for his people skills around with a large trout May 21 17:19:18 kergoth: go write some really nice software or something ... your talents are wasted in a # like this May 21 17:19:54 koen who? May 21 17:20:16 chouimat: /who mzb May 21 17:20:51 you only had to ask May 21 17:20:53 koen: I'm not surprised, it was obvious from the beginning that mzb was a fanboy of france and obviously had his own "emotive responses" and opinions about the subject. I find it pretty amusing that he gets on us for being unobjective when he is not. And whines about freedom when he was a party to channel takeovers. Utter nonsense. May 21 17:21:30 kergoth: have a look ^^^^ I don't think I've actually given an opinion May 21 17:21:56 mzb: And I think you were right on the money with "dense". He got the reasons he was asking for from several sources right from the start, but chose to ignore them. May 21 17:22:37 koen: http://rafb.net/p/xuP5gK47.html is my current angstrom config. It seems the TMPDIR var is getting mixed up. After I introduced the DISTRO_collie var in local.conf I got a new dir at /export/interim/openembedded/tmp/angstrom whereas before everything went to /export/interim/openembedded/tmp/angstrom-2007.1-oabi May 21 17:22:46 Anything obviously wrong? May 21 17:23:22 Laibsch: the oabi should have gone to /angstrom/ as well May 21 17:23:39 s/mzb: And I think/kergoth: And I think/ May 21 17:23:56 * chouimat thinks kergoth is a nice guy ... at least you can talk to him ... not like a certain mbm May 21 17:24:12 koen: I removed that dir. I will retry. Maybe it was introduced by something else while fiddling around. May 21 17:24:21 I'm a nice guy sometimes, and an ass sometimes. It varies. May 21 17:24:23 Laibsch: I only have 'angstrom' in /data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp May 21 17:24:23 :) May 21 17:24:31 chouimat: Oh no, mbm is also the nicest guy ever seen ;-) May 21 17:24:38 bah, seems i missed all the action. :-D May 21 17:24:41 Laibsch: hehe May 21 17:24:54 Laibsch: there could be a bug of course, but I can only say "works for me", which isn't very helpfull May 21 17:25:00 chouimat: We're both big fans, then? May 21 17:25:15 koen: I am sure there was a config issue. May 21 17:25:43 <_diCe_> hey mzb ltns May 21 17:25:53 Laibsch: sure ... brb need to go the bathroom ... I still have problem when I think about him ;) May 21 17:26:01 ey _diCe_ May 21 17:26:03 koen: minimo failed again, but that is no change from before. May 21 17:45:57 koen: I generally hit that problem of "compiler cannot create executables" with different machines and different packages, even nano. http://rafb.net/p/tgnLhk75.html May 21 17:46:40 Laibsch: arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -march=armv4 -mtune=xscale doesn't look right May 21 17:47:04 that's trying to do EABI for strongarm May 21 17:49:05 That is the result of 'MACHINE="spitz" bitbake -c rebuild nano' May 21 17:49:51 hmmm May 21 17:49:55 * koen puzzles May 21 17:49:59 puzzled* May 21 17:50:11 * Laibsch too May 21 17:50:23 but on a different scale ;-) May 21 17:52:04 * chouimat is bored ... again May 21 17:52:29 kergoth: Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of the problems with gpe/opie until now. I have no issue with the ban ;-) May 21 17:53:39 I suspect france is here watching us too btw, although I don't know who as :} May 21 17:53:42 * RP waves May 21 17:54:47 RP: probably reading the logs ;) May 21 17:55:07 He currently has one hell of a way to make new friends.... May 21 17:55:13 chouimat: I suspect otherwise but who knows May 21 17:55:31 well, actually, who cares ;-) May 21 17:55:38 hehe May 21 17:56:41 cool my Purring Wrists Pad (TM) just arrived on my lap May 21 18:09:41 koen: Laibsch psokolovsky_ here is a first draft http://rafb.net/p/1oNkeK50.html did I forget anything? May 21 18:10:01 well, this should obviously have gone to #angstrom May 21 18:10:23 CoreDump|home: I'd say, just send it, stuff can be added during discussion ;-) May 21 18:11:54 d*r*opbear May 21 18:12:00 but looks ok for the most part May 21 18:12:22 * chouimat waits for make angstrom to finish ... May 21 18:12:55 I suspect most things with "w/o consulting any other developers first?" will have "no" as an answer May 21 18:13:55 ah err May 21 18:14:29 I just remembered that all my mails to angstrom-devel go to /dev/null for some reason....could one of you post it? May 21 18:15:11 CoreDump|home: which is strange, since you are subscribed and not modded or filtered May 21 18:15:30 yeah well, I can try again May 21 18:15:32 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r31728153... 10/ (1 packages/bluez/bluez-gnome_0.7.bb): bluez-gnome: add 0.7 release May 21 18:15:39 but the last two mails never showed up May 21 18:15:48 CoreDump|home: Try gmane.org, maybe it goes through May 21 18:15:50 CIA-4: we know that from the last 4 times you siad that May 21 18:16:26 mail's away May 21 18:17:58 koen: some asshole was using my domain as "From:" for spam mails. I just hope my server didn't land on yet _another_ rbl *sigh* May 21 18:20:32 CoreDump|home: ltg only does greylisting AFAIK, so maybe some MX in between is using RBLs May 21 18:21:18 * CoreDump|home hmms. He just verified that his sending-address is the correct subscriber address May 21 18:22:32 I guess you aren't "ikochetov@mercury.ru" May 21 18:22:41 which is the only on in the moderation queue May 21 18:26:19 nope, oe@hentges.net May 21 18:27:07 well, nothing May 21 18:28:27 no bounces either May 21 18:28:31 CoreDump|home: you could try to send me a message, just to see if your mail delivery isn't borked May 21 18:28:48 hvontres|poodle: it should work just fine =) May 21 18:29:09 what's your address? May 21 18:29:27 CoreDump|home: I find the word "should" when used around software is a good indication of a bug. hvontres AT gmail DOT com May 21 18:29:48 heh May 21 18:30:26 we're doomed Celine Dion just released a new album May 21 18:30:39 someone tell me how to make a reciepe that UPX compresses the binaries? May 21 18:30:44 or point to an example? May 21 18:31:08 hvontres|poodle: mail away May 21 18:32:09 CoreDump|home: mail here :) May 21 18:32:18 ;) May 21 18:32:31 koen: I'll check my smtp logs May 21 18:32:40 * chouimat wonders if monotone 0,35 worth the upgrade May 21 18:33:09 chouimat: it makes the commit message summary much better May 21 18:33:22 it is not stuck in my mailq May 21 18:33:30 koen good then :) May 21 18:40:06 koen: http://rafb.net/p/OiO8xl53.html <- it appears the message has been accepted and queued by ltg May 21 18:41:59 * * OE Bug 2352 has been created by joaquinduran@adtelecom.es May 21 18:41:59 * * Unable to create gstreamer .xml plugin register due to May 21 18:42:58 * * OE Bug 2352 has been created by joaquinduran@adtelecom.es May 21 18:42:59 * * Unable to create gstreamer .xml plugin register due to May 21 18:47:28 * koen officially doesn't get mail stuff on unix system May 21 18:48:07 * CoreDump|home is no smtp guru either May 21 18:48:30 use telnet instead May 21 18:49:17 telnet, debugging your mail server since the beginning of um, email :) May 21 18:57:50 koen: do you have access to the ltg maillogs? May 21 19:01:16 anyone has an idea why shasum-native gets configure but not compiled and installed ? http://rafb.net/p/dw219719.html May 21 19:02:15 I have moved my OE build folder away from my /home directory and now I'm stuck at the very first package ... May 21 19:02:43 Hi all ! May 21 19:03:31 I think I have updated all the needed env variables (at least the one from http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted May 21 19:05:00 CoreDump|home: yes, if I would have a clue where to find them May 21 19:05:16 hmmm May 21 19:05:34 it's /var/log/mail.* on debian... May 21 19:06:57 ah, I see those May 21 19:07:53 cat mail.info | oe@hentges.net ? May 21 19:08:03 * CoreDump|home places a grep in there May 21 19:08:44 anyone tell me how to UPX compress binaries with a reciepe? May 21 19:09:07 0 mail.log May 21 19:09:08 4.0K mail.log.0 May 21 19:09:11 not good May 21 19:09:28 well, adding a custom do_install_append would probably one way May 21 19:09:30 hmm :\ May 21 19:11:12 CoreDump|home: i'm trying to make a staticly links uclibc UPX compressed package so everyone can use it for any arm. May 21 19:12:04 * mwester had a similar problem, but with the postal service. He found it helped when he stopped parking his car in front of the mailbox. May 21 19:12:09 Hi CoreDump|home May 21 19:12:18 mwester: heh hi May 21 19:13:01 Zero_Chaos: i dunno upx, but something like "upx /some/binary" can be done via a custom do_install May 21 19:14:29 koen: what distro is running on that host? May 21 19:14:36 debian May 21 19:15:17 well, that shouldn't be too hard May 21 19:15:38 is mailq showing any signs of my address? May 21 19:15:58 nope May 21 19:16:06 Where are cflags for a machine set? May 21 19:16:11 I really don't like -Os May 21 19:16:20 Zero_Chaos: why not? May 21 19:16:24 so it doesn't even try to send a bounce *sigh* May 21 19:16:31 it's the fastest you can get May 21 19:16:53 otherwise you'll end up waiting for IO to load the big OMG OPTIMIZED binary May 21 19:16:54 koen: -0s is the smallest you can get, not the fastest... at least, least I read the manual May 21 19:17:14 -Os == -O2 with size considerations May 21 19:17:40 koen: for a program such as, aircrack-ng, I think I'd rather ignore the size considerations. don't you think? May 21 19:17:53 koen: can I override for one reciepe? May 21 19:18:14 it's possible, but not recommended May 21 19:18:55 koen: you would really rather install johntheripper with -0s over -O2 or -O3? May 21 19:19:15 I'd run it on my workstation instead of pda May 21 19:19:22 but read the gcc manual a bit better May 21 19:19:28 -Os == -O2 May 21 19:19:47 koen: I know, but the size considerations do cause slowdown, no? May 21 19:20:09 not really May 21 19:20:12 Only when I/O is involved May 21 19:20:34 okay, if you all think -Os is fine, I'm not the smartest in the room May 21 19:20:56 Initial load from disk, and then again if the system starts swapping, generally, is size an issue. May 21 19:21:09 I want to override the -march and -mtune as well, so the binary can be used on more systems.... suggestions? May 21 19:21:09 especially from jffs2 May 21 19:21:20 can I override march and mtune? May 21 19:21:51 you want to override the tuning flags to be more generic, and then complain about -Os!?!?!? May 21 19:22:16 * chouimat kicks docbook May 21 19:22:36 koen: I know I know... but can you help me out ? ;-) May 21 19:22:54 no May 21 19:23:08 I can't override the march and mtune in a reciepe? May 21 19:23:39 Zero_Chaos: you're not making sense May 21 19:23:48 * koen goes to watch TV May 21 19:24:05 gee thanks May 21 19:24:23 Anyone tell me if I can override march and mtune for a single reciepe? May 21 19:25:04 Zero_Chaos: I believe what koen was wondering about was why you would want to do that, since the feeds now support different pacakages for different archs May 21 19:25:17 Zero_Chaos: You kinda can, but there're better things to do ;-) May 21 19:25:38 hvontres|poodle: I want to be able to distribute a binary that works on all arm platforms no matter the distro, etc May 21 19:26:01 so I am building staticly against uclibc and I want to not optimize for my armv5 because then armv4 can't use the binary May 21 19:26:45 Zero_Chaos: you might want to try building for strongarm-oabi then.... May 21 19:27:09 hvontres|poodle: so I'd have to change my conf/local.conf to do it? May 21 19:27:13 Zero_Chaos: but your milage may vary wildly of course... May 21 19:27:19 Zero_Chaos: ok, so learn about overrides. but again, friendly hint: leave it for the end of feast ;-) May 21 19:27:21 Zero_Chaos: I think so... May 21 19:27:30 * hvontres|poodle is way out of his elelment here... May 21 19:27:56 hvontres|poodle: so what would I change to build for strongarm-oabi then? May 21 19:28:09 * hvontres|poodle is way out of his elelment here... May 21 19:28:49 Zero_Chaos: I think you could use the angstrom-oabi distro and Collie for the machine May 21 19:29:29 * hvontres|poodle does not guarantee any results and is not liable for any and all damage done by this advice May 21 19:30:00 hvontres|poodle: what is oabi? I have been using eabi and ANGSTROM_MODE = "uclibc" May 21 19:31:03 hvontres|poodle: is there a place I can find info on oabi and eabi ? May 21 19:31:18 Zero_Chaos: oabi is the older binary interface...IIRC an EABI kernel MIGHT be able to run oabi binaries May 21 19:31:44 chouimat: try the arm website or koen|away's huge brain :) May 21 19:32:02 hvontres|poodle: hehe May 21 19:32:13 hvontres|poodle: yes, it should be able to, but I didn't consider the reverse... thanks May 21 19:32:55 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r31728153... 10/ (1 packages/bluez/bluez-gnome_0.7.bb): bluez-gnome: add 0.7 release May 21 19:33:03 chouimat: the arm website might be a bit more user-friendly :) May 21 19:33:19 hvontres|poodle: it's what happen when you try to get your life back on tracks ... too much stuff happen at the same times and your brain can't deal with everything ;) May 21 19:35:15 wow the elive_0.6.9_unstable contains a wokring enlightement demo embeded May 21 19:36:51 the demo is quite small but still works May 21 19:44:48 I'm really desperate about this shasum-native problem ... since it is the very first package, I cannot make anything if it does not build .... noone has a clue what is wrong here ? May 21 19:47:33 * ljp chuckles as he reads the channel log May 21 19:48:04 * * OE Bug 2184 has been marked as DUPLICATE of bug 2336 *** by oe@hentges.net May 21 19:48:06 * * [Bug 2184] gqview-2.1.1 fails to build error in May 21 19:48:08 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2184 May 21 19:48:13 bitbake actually fetches, unpacks, patches and configures shasum-native package, but does not compile and install it ... and of course afterwards the second package (quilt) which needs oe_sha256sum fails May 21 19:49:05 * * OE Bug 2354 has been created by antti.andreimann@mail.ee May 21 19:49:07 * * xf86-input-keyboard 1.2.0 needs xserver 1.3.0.0 but it's May 21 19:49:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2354 May 21 19:49:17 * * OE Bug 2350 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by dp@xora.org.uk May 21 19:49:19 * * [Bug 2350] Aircrack-ng May 21 19:49:21 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2350 May 21 19:49:34 sorry for the test May 21 20:17:32 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r31728153... 10/ (1 packages/bluez/bluez-gnome_0.7.bb): bluez-gnome: add 0.7 release May 21 20:17:33 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r31728153... 10/ (1 packages/bluez/bluez-gnome_0.7.bb): bluez-gnome: add 0.7 release May 21 20:17:56 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r82e43060... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom: move everything to 2.6.20 kernel headers May 21 20:20:38 finally found out what was wrong: bitbake 1.8.0 was unable to build shasum-native, I needed to go update to bitbake 1.8.2 May 21 20:22:24 re May 21 20:44:04 * * OE Bug 2355 has been created by oe@hentges.net May 21 20:44:06 * * dropbear is defined twice, ignoring May 21 20:44:08 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2355 May 21 21:27:31 03coredump2 07org.oe.dev * r381c7dec... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom-2007.1.conf: Remove duplicate entries from DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS May 21 21:27:35 03coredump2 07org.oe.dev * r96464942... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-base.bb): task-base.bb: Add sysvinit-pidof to the default of DISTRO_INIT_MANAGER May 21 21:28:03 * * OE Bug 2355 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by oe@hentges.net May 21 21:28:05 * * [Bug 2355] dropbear is defined twice, May 21 21:28:07 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2355 May 21 21:31:15 CoreDump|home: thanks for fixing that May 21 21:31:37 np May 21 21:31:41 * koen strikes another item of his TODO May 21 21:32:12 it is my hope that DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS will be removed completely eventually May 21 21:34:39 hmm, was there a generic fix for uclibc libintl_gettext? aseqnet.c:(.text+0x5c): undefined reference to `libintl_gettext' May 21 21:35:55 #ifdef USE_NLS or linking to gettext iirc May 21 21:36:48 koen: thanks May 21 21:37:41 * koen should start testing bluez-utils 3.10.1 May 21 21:39:01 Will my overly simple attempt at creating an unpackall target work? http://rafb.net/p/CimnmC27.html May 21 21:40:00 Laibsch: that should work May 21 21:40:14 Cool! May 21 21:40:57 with bitbake 1.8.x May 21 21:41:16 RP, zecke: what do you think about a 1.8.4 release for bitbake? May 21 21:41:20 Yes, I am all 1.8.2 May 21 21:48:21 grrrr May 21 21:48:25 I don't get it May 21 21:48:40 how does zaurusd install asound.state? which script? May 21 21:49:41 In a .bb, I would like to define EXTRA_OECONF = "--disable-nls" if USE_NLS="no". How should I do that neatly? May 21 21:50:02 python foo? May 21 21:51:46 likewise: yeah May 21 21:52:05 CoreDump|home: python lambda function?? May 21 21:53:58 my python foo is not good enough ;) I'd probably search the bb's for an example May 21 21:54:03 likewise: see cairo-fpu.inc May 21 21:54:25 koen: thanks, I needed a ptr to see the foo. May 21 21:55:04 likewise: http://rafb.net/p/aSb0Y411.html May 21 21:55:30 I stole it from another recipe :) May 21 21:56:09 koen: I remember seeing this as a one-liner also, without the need to define a function. May 21 21:56:35 base_conditional? May 21 21:57:07 CFLAGS_append = '${@base_conditional("KERNEL_MAJOR_VERSION", "2.6", " -D__Linux26__ ", " -D__Linux24__ ",d)}' May 21 21:59:13 EXTRA_OECONF = "'${@base_conditional("USE_NLS","no","--disable-nls","",d)}' May 21 22:00:12 koen: probably, but now when googling I wonder how classes/gettext.bbclass can help me? May 21 22:00:19 s/googling/grepping/ :-) May 21 22:00:53 OE has too many ways to accomplish something May 21 22:01:22 koen: I'm trying to fix alsa-utils when compiling with angstrom/uclibc and USE_NLS=no May 21 22:01:44 for powerpc? May 21 22:03:47 koen: yes May 21 22:05:41 koen: I have one in mind soon May 21 22:05:59 koen: 1.8 svn head works ok for you? May 21 22:06:07 yes May 21 22:07:31 'night all May 21 22:07:42 RP: was there a bitbake 1.8 stable branch regression? I had to go back one version (but wasn't sure whether it was me or not and didn't have time to debug then) May 21 22:07:57 rwhitby: There isn't any I know of? May 21 22:08:13 I did break the head briefly over the weekend May 21 22:09:04 yeah, that was the timing May 21 22:09:14 maybe I just sucked it at the wrong time May 21 22:09:41 rwhitby: Yes, probably. There was a problem where I had the right idea but wrong variable and broke things ;-) May 21 22:09:56 ok, I'll give it another try today May 21 22:09:59 thx May 21 22:18:37 how do I open an ipk? something about ar and tar.... May 21 22:18:45 ar x ipk May 21 22:18:58 thanks May 21 22:18:59 then, tar xzf data.tar.gz May 21 22:19:11 then, tar xzf control.tar.gz for the pkg metadata May 21 22:19:16 np May 21 22:24:43 I have built a reciepe for a library, but everything gets put into -dev.ipk; I want to move some files into the normal .ipk May 21 22:24:50 proper way to do it? May 21 22:26:01 I was yelled at for using FILES_${PN} += May 21 22:26:53 setting FILES_${PN} is fine May 21 22:27:12 Zero_Chaos: FILES_${PN} += should be ok, FILES_${PN} = seems to make a mess of things :) May 21 22:27:32 !slap CIA-4 May 21 22:28:15 03coredump2 07org.oe.dev * rd8f0d8d8... 10/ (8 files in 6 dirs): alsa-state: Add c7x0, cxx00 and tosa state files, borrowed from zaurusd May 21 22:28:25 03coredump2 07org.oe.dev * r3c910b34... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): zaurusd: Disable handling of alsa state files May 21 22:29:00 and if I add things in this manner to the primary package, do they still go in -dev.ipk as well? May 21 22:29:07 should I -= them? May 21 22:34:04 * * OE Bug 1691 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by oe@hentges.net May 21 22:34:06 * * [Bug 1691] ALSA improperly configured on Akita May 21 22:34:08 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1691 May 21 22:36:44 one of the .la files ends up in both, but I don't want it in the dev.ipk, how can I remove it? May 21 22:37:08 FILES-DEV_${PN} -= didn't work May 21 23:55:38 Is anyone here using tune-iwmmxt.conf with their OE build? May 21 23:56:17 * rwhitby had an enjoyable bus ride reading the logs this morning :-) May 21 23:58:04 * * OE Bug 2356 has been created by r.farina@adelphia.net May 21 23:58:06 * * Loss of Radio connectivity May 21 23:58:08 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2356 May 22 00:01:42 Someone want to be a doll and commit that for me? May 22 00:01:47 * Zero_Chaos points up May 22 00:02:17 * CoreDump|afk is off to bed May 22 00:02:46 CoreDump|afk: night May 22 00:15:54 someone be a pal and commit my reciepes? 2356 and 2357 May 22 00:16:00 all set and ready for commit May 22 00:17:05 * * OE Bug 2357 has been created by r.farina@adelphia.net May 22 00:17:07 * * Enhanced Ralink RT2570 Driver May 22 00:17:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2357 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 22 02:59:56 2007