**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 25 02:59:57 2007 May 25 05:32:04 Hello May 25 05:33:08 How to mix "opie-image" and "task-python-everything" in one image? with out edit *.bb May 25 05:51:42 * Bernardo is back. May 25 05:51:48 good morning May 25 05:54:23 good morning, too May 25 05:54:41 , can you help me? May 25 06:00:04 psokolovsky_, hello May 25 06:10:25 morning all May 25 06:10:30 hi May 25 06:11:05 How to mix "opie-image" and "task-python-everything" in one image? with out edit *.bb May 25 06:11:19 please, help me. May 25 06:11:37 morning May 25 06:12:34 Hi! May 25 06:12:51 step2back: just don't mix anything at all. learn package management instead. May 25 06:15:11 , thanks.............. and where is the please of learning package management? May 25 06:16:06 * nauj27 think the bitbake manual is a good place to start May 25 06:18:57 google and wikipedia are good places to start learning anything May 25 06:22:01 step2back: sorry, I didn't see your message. May 25 06:22:09 , ok... I edit opie task adding in depends task-python-everything... topic close. May 25 06:22:45 step2back: you better not. though, YMMV. May 25 06:27:09 I have another problem: I use module_autoload_*. /etc/modutils is fine, but /etc/modules is empty. I must "update-modules" fill it. How to do it with bitbake? May 25 06:29:02 * * OE Bug 2374 has been created by jbs@bandos.homelinux.com May 25 06:29:04 * * gaim doesn't find bonobo.h May 25 06:29:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2374 May 25 06:33:26 step2back: everything works properly out of the box. you don't need to do anything special for uch stuff. only thing you need to do to add/tweak new machine to/in OE is to add/change that machine's config. If you need to do something else, likely you do something wrong. May 25 06:34:27 thanks... I do something wrong, but will get something I need. May 25 06:54:21 bitbake 1.8 seems to utilize a compile cluster much better. There are minimum gaps between package processing May 25 06:55:45 ~botmail for vivijim: INHERIT += "angstrom-mirrors" May 25 06:56:00 good morning all May 25 06:56:02 morning koen May 25 06:56:18 hey steliosk May 25 06:56:28 you were right about 1.8 May 25 06:56:37 gmorning koen May 25 06:56:58 i did a test last night and it seems it utilizes the icecc cluster much better May 25 06:57:32 hey nauj27 May 25 06:57:45 steliosk: Did you set BB_NUMBER_THREADS? May 25 06:57:53 yeah May 25 06:58:09 on a single cpu i have set it to 3 May 25 06:58:18 load was around 6 May 25 06:58:24 hi koen May 25 06:58:30 hey Bernardo May 25 06:58:55 but it compiled much faster (25-30%) from a first estimate May 25 06:59:14 this set up begs for a multi cpu / mukti core machine :) May 25 07:05:29 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r10bc52c5... 10/ (9 files in 8 dirs): May 25 07:05:29 linux-handhelds-2.6: Update defconfigs from defconfigman r258 May 25 07:05:29 * Also includes support for h2200 and htcblueangel. May 25 07:05:33 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r1edfaf94... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): May 25 07:05:33 linux-handhelds-2.6: Actually add defconfig for h2200 and htcblueangel, May 25 07:05:33 from defconfigman r258. May 25 07:07:24 bbl May 25 07:10:58 RP: ping May 25 07:13:52 Good morning oe'ers, from an oe noobie. May 25 07:15:48 I tried a bitbake build for task-base on a new hardware config (an arm development board) and I got a xanadux compile error. How can I see what pulled in xanadux, and if I can work around it by dropping a feature. May 25 07:15:50 ? May 25 07:16:39 I suppose a dependency graph is what I'm looking for. May 25 07:17:06 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r26e45085... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): xserver-kdrive-xomap: update to oss31 (from poky) May 25 07:23:43 night all :))000000 May 25 07:37:53 morning May 25 07:37:59 psokolovsky_: don't forget to bump PR on those kernels May 25 07:38:13 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r78c366f7... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): linux-handhelds-2.6 2.6.21-hh2: Update to 2.6.21-hh4. May 25 07:38:20 hrw: DzieÅ„ dobry May 25 07:38:53 Goedemorgen koen May 25 07:38:57 :) May 25 07:42:34 17" laptops are huge May 25 07:44:24 I have dell 17" here and man... I prefer my 12" May 25 07:45:02 hrw, is that how you talk to your gf ? May 25 07:45:14 ;) May 25 07:45:23 russf: you perv ;D May 25 07:45:27 hehe May 25 07:46:03 Good morning! May 25 07:46:39 What is the significance of ERROR: QA Issue: non -dev package contains symlink .so May 25 07:46:42 moin Laibsch May 25 07:46:56 Laibsch: .so should be in -dev May 25 07:47:07 Always? May 25 07:48:20 Laibsch: not if there is no .so.v.e.r.s.i.o.n May 25 07:51:11 hrw: the atmosphere in a channel is good when a noob can get away with making a comment like that. May 25 07:58:01 russf : Well, usually, personal comments are better tolerated than code comments ;) May 25 07:58:37 hrw: well that makes me feel even more at-home May 25 07:58:52 ;) May 25 07:59:03 * russf pulls on slippers, reaches for coffee mug May 25 08:03:54 is there are an overview of symbols like PACKAGE_EXTRA_ARCHS and what they mean? May 25 08:05:08 conf/documentation.conf iirc May 25 08:05:27 morning all May 25 08:05:34 hrw: thx. May 25 08:10:02 * * OE Bug 2294 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by pmiscml@gmail.com May 25 08:10:04 * * [Bug 2294] libsdl-qpe fails do_compile May 25 08:10:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2294 May 25 08:11:27 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r8189ef74... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): May 25 08:11:27 libsdl-qpe 1.2.9: Fix build issue after recent kernel headers and gcc upgrades. May 25 08:11:27 * There was two errors - now well-known PAGE_SIZE one, and, apparently, gcc4.1.2 May 25 08:11:27 changed extern "C" rules. May 25 08:11:27 * Fixes #2294. May 25 08:22:26 morning Richard May 25 08:26:38 RP : hi ! May 25 08:27:08 hey RP May 25 08:36:19 I'm getting a Note about preferred version 2.5 of glibc not available (for item virtual/arm-linux-libc-for-gcc), but can't see how to resolve it. A pointer would be appreciated. May 25 08:37:44 that one is harmless May 25 08:40:10 koen: thanks! May 25 08:44:14 I'm thinking to buy a Akita, someone selling? ^_^ May 25 08:46:58 http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/05/24/157218 - GPE contra hh.org May 25 08:54:16 the comments are priceless as well May 25 08:54:31 especially the one from france/rene/marcus May 25 08:55:10 e.g. http://www.linux.com/comments.pl?sid=38601&op=&threshold=0&commentsort=0&mode=thread&tid=41&cid=99453 May 25 08:57:17 koen: why is my name being included in this? May 25 08:57:23 and then I get a cp: cannot stat while unpacking a defconfig for linux-2.6.21. The source path is blah/org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/linux/defconfig and the defconfig does not exist - the containing folder exists. I'm building for arm and PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel = "linux". Should this be more specific? May 25 08:57:58 russf: what machine? May 25 08:58:00 koen: perhaps you have me confused with someone else. May 25 08:58:20 I've built the machine May 25 08:58:26 for a development board May 25 08:58:53 russf: you have kernel for it? does it need patches or only config and mainline 2.6.21? May 25 08:58:54 created a new file in o.e.d/conf/machine May 25 08:59:51 ok. May 25 09:00:08 russf: does your board need patched kernel or mainline one? May 25 09:00:27 hrw: good question. I have no special kernel. I'm hoping that the 920t include will cope with all the basics. May 25 09:00:43 And I'm not applying patches. May 25 09:01:05 But that may be the problem. May 25 09:01:45 russf: each machine need to select kernel recipe (existing or add new) and provide kernel config May 25 09:01:57 I think I'm in this over my head. Was hoping for a fairly quick result, but that was probably too optimistic. May 25 09:02:04 koen: that harmless version 2.5 of glibc note - is there any way at all of changing things so it goes away? I have a thing about ignoring warnings ;-) May 25 09:02:25 russf: if you do not need patches or have only few ones then adapt packages/linux/linux_2.6.21.bb for it May 25 09:02:33 rwhitby: deleting all glibc <2.4 recipes May 25 09:02:50 I understand that the machine will need configuration, but the system-on-a-chip should be more or less the same as several other machines using the 920t May 25 09:02:58 rwhitby: iirc glibc_2.ancient is claiming to to provide glibc-intermediate as well May 25 09:03:14 I was hoping to get running, and then extend features like usb, etc. May 25 09:03:47 hrw: ah. Good suggestion. May 25 09:04:11 koen: can we put distro or machine overrides on the ancient <2.4 recipes, so it only claims that for ancient distros that need them? May 25 09:04:12 russf: which board you have? May 25 09:04:27 rwhitby: dunno May 25 09:04:39 rwhitby: I don't want to touch ancient glibc recipes May 25 09:04:40 from KwikByte in USA - KB9202B May 25 09:04:50 that would allow shiny new distros to have no warnings :-) May 25 09:04:59 AT91RM9200 May 25 09:05:11 steliosk: http://rafb.net/p/psTWGt23.html May 25 09:05:46 russf: iirc the at91 supports isn't completely merged yet May 25 09:05:50 hrw: very similar to the Atmel Eval board. I'm a but surprised not to find a machine.conf for either of these boards. May 25 09:06:02 russf: but Ulf from atmel popped up on the OE mailinglist recently May 25 09:06:16 koen: Ah. SO glad I asked the question. May 25 09:06:17 koen : is it on the server ? May 25 09:06:40 steliosk: yes May 25 09:06:40 russf: I need to talk with friend - he use OE on own AT91 board iirc May 25 09:06:56 koen : ok will have a look May 25 09:07:24 hrw: koeon: I'd love to hear from anyone in the same position. Happy to collaborate and create a working build. May 25 09:07:56 steliosk: hmm, it seems to have something todo with line-endings... May 25 09:08:10 koen: I'll try to reach Ulf. May 25 09:08:45 russf: how much it costs? May 25 09:09:03 hrw: $200 May 25 09:09:42 russf: you can get it for less if you call them :) May 25 09:09:57 nice price May 25 09:10:00 but $200 is like €0.10 these days May 25 09:10:04 koen: too late. the board is in the mail. May 25 09:10:11 hrw: http://www.kwikbyte.com/KB9202.html May 25 09:10:15 ~seen codyl May 25 09:10:22 but I do not have space for another devboard May 25 09:10:33 the one on desk takes too much space May 25 09:10:56 ah, sorry, I confused it with http://kwikbyte.com/KBAT9261.html May 25 09:11:03 codyl was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 28d 3h 16m 55s ago, saying: 'your article is up there ;-)'. May 25 09:11:05 that's the one codyl has May 25 09:11:45 hrw: did you ever see the 770 devboards? Those are *huge* May 25 09:11:49 it looks great, but I don't have a toolchain I can rely on, yet. I tried kwikbyte's buildroot procedure and gave up. The process is not well maintained May 25 09:13:10 which is why I'm here. May 25 09:13:38 ok. I have ulf samuleson's email address, and will get in touch to see if he's interested in helping. May 25 09:19:42 koen: looks like Ulf was interested in the at91sam9263 target May 25 09:19:55 do independent board manfacturers sponsor this work? May 25 09:21:12 it depends May 25 09:21:55 some companies use OE to support their devboards but without giving that back to us May 25 09:22:46 hrw: ouch. That does not make sense. I think many do not understand "Open" yet. May 25 09:24:14 or do not want to show how awful their kernels are ;D May 25 09:24:34 russf: adding new board to OE is just making config and adding kernel. May 25 09:25:59 some vendors donate boards May 25 09:29:13 koen: I would donate a board if someone could build a config in the next 2 weeks. May 25 09:30:00 koen: and work alongside the OE expert if that would help (testing, etc.) May 25 09:31:01 koen: I've emailed Ulf to see if anyone at Atmel is interested in building an OE config for their Eval kit May 25 09:32:05 koen : during my recent system crash my keys got F@cked. need to recent you the new ones May 25 09:32:21 hrw: Yes. so much software is a band-aid on a patch on an open sore. That's where Open Sores comes from. May 25 09:32:56 hey guys May 25 09:33:34 Hew Stephmw. I'm new here. - Russ. May 25 09:33:54 I'm kinda like a bad smell in here... I come and I go May 25 09:33:58 and I smell of Java May 25 09:34:17 Java's not so bad. May 25 09:34:29 if you mean the coffee ;) May 25 09:34:50 The smell of python is better. May 25 09:35:09 * Stephmw adds a penny to his $1mil "I put $0.01 into this account each time I hear that" May 25 09:35:20 russf: http://rafb.net/p/I2iWpe51.html May 25 09:35:36 russf: for the toolchain, you could use MACHINE=ep93xx May 25 09:36:21 russf: or wait few minutes May 25 09:36:32 koen: KOOL! thanks. May 25 09:36:40 * russf waits in hope May 25 09:39:40 koen : check you email please May 25 09:39:48 hrw: do you have another suggested conf? May 25 09:40:07 no - use that one May 25 09:40:19 I want to check something in build first May 25 09:40:25 hrw: ok. May 25 09:41:12 steliosk: done May 25 09:45:36 shit.. I forgot that I do not have armv4t toolchain.. May 25 09:48:16 I have to say, you have been most helpful! May 25 09:48:55 koen: if that config works for me, does it makes sense to add to machines? May 25 09:49:03 yes May 25 09:49:21 I'd like to have a working kernel config with that, though May 25 09:50:02 kernel already have one May 25 09:50:21 russf: you have uboot on board or other bootloader? May 25 09:50:31 uboot May 25 09:50:43 hrw: it's missing the EABI sed thing May 25 09:51:16 KB9202 initial support pushed May 25 09:51:22 feel free to improve it May 25 09:51:55 I hit a snag using that config. Defconfig missing in linux-2.6.21 May 25 09:52:00 it lack uboot, lack eabi switch in kernel recipe but should build for oabi May 25 09:52:06 cp: cannon stat. May 25 09:52:06 russf: mtn pull/update May 25 09:52:13 k May 25 09:53:02 * * OE Bug 2375 has been created by begemot999@gmail.com May 25 09:53:04 * * can't build lirc May 25 09:53:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2375 May 25 09:54:08 hrw: http://rafb.net/p/BwYjmh93.html May 25 09:54:44 hrw: if I can jsut get us on the OE path, we can make improvements on the way. May 25 09:55:20 koen: add TARGET_ARCH=arm checking and push it May 25 09:56:08 why that? May 25 09:56:15 gnueabi implies arm May 25 09:56:21 ah. right May 25 09:56:30 koen : the files are somewhat fck i am uploading them again May 25 09:56:46 steliosk: I did make some modifications May 25 09:57:01 like adding -m, removing the rm and adding more machines May 25 09:57:52 well they were not made executable new-index for example and also seems that some problem with the line endings as you said May 25 09:58:16 russf: kernel probably will need one or two changes to get it done but you have something for start now May 25 09:58:40 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * ra6962fe8... 10/ (1 conf/machine/kb9202.conf): kb9202: initial configuration for KwikByte KB9202 devboard May 25 09:58:44 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rccacedcb... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): linux 2.6.21: added kb9202 support May 25 09:58:47 russf: kernel type set to uImage and extra dependency on uboot for mkimage May 25 09:58:49 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r1dbbd365... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux_2.6.21.bb): linux 2.6.21: add EABI magic May 25 10:02:34 hrw: ah. Just noticed this. OK. You have added that board to machines? May 25 10:02:51 and added EABI. May 25 10:02:56 * russf catching up May 25 10:03:03 boy that was quick. May 25 10:05:16 good morning May 25 10:06:49 hi florian May 25 10:08:43 later all May 25 10:13:59 russf: one more thing pushed for you May 25 10:14:22 * russf looks May 25 10:14:30 pushing now May 25 10:15:57 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r04f5cc86... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux_2.6.21.bb): linux 2.6.21: kb9202 use u-boot so switch to uImage May 25 10:18:52 hrw: well, thanks for all that. I'm baking now... May 25 10:21:34 hrw: I received an NSLU2 a few minutes ago. - the "slug" May 25 10:29:59 I have one under desk May 25 10:31:28 * likewise just logs in and wonders who/what is under hrw's desk?! May 25 10:31:38 hi all May 25 10:31:59 likewise: a Linksys NSLU2 May 25 10:32:01 hi all May 25 10:32:06 25 12:31 < russf> hrw: I received an NSLU2 a few minutes ago. - the "slug" May 25 10:32:06 25 12:40 < hrw> I have one under desk May 25 10:32:19 :-) May 25 10:32:26 so, kind of exciting, but not as you were hoping... ;) May 25 10:33:18 you don't know the *things* this slut^Hg can do for you. May 25 10:34:37 30 years of starwars today May 25 10:34:56 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6680279.stm can be fun May 25 10:37:06 hrw: I'm sure your slug has had its brain replaced. May 25 10:37:21 Laibsch: how goes cables? May 25 10:39:35 russf: and will have it done again later May 25 10:40:19 I'm anxious to have this KB build working, so I can build for a slug May 25 10:41:41 koen : its working but you will need to add the new machines again , -> http://rafb.net/p/MEooCF47.html May 25 11:04:00 steliosk: acpid is useless on arm May 25 11:05:50 hrw: so far they have not arrived May 25 11:06:11 They should have been here about 10 days ago according to hvontres May 25 11:08:33 Laibsch: probably stuck on a ship then May 25 11:08:55 hrw : just checking the repo building scripts... May 25 11:09:09 yeah, angstrom-console-image compiles for uclibc May 25 11:10:00 hrw : insted of having to run them for each arch if the main script finds a package for a specif arch it triggers the rebuilding of the package lists May 25 11:15:04 steliosk: I did not used angstrom feeds scripts yet May 25 11:15:59 anyone here going to DebConf7 in Edinburgh? May 25 11:16:37 16..23 June May 25 11:16:39 maybe XorA May 25 11:16:58 16-19 I will be in Birmingham on guadec May 25 11:17:10 or rather 17-18 due to travels.. May 25 11:18:29 RP: is tomas online? May 25 11:18:32 hrw: just looked. Had not heard of it until now. May 25 11:18:50 zecke: TF? yes May 25 11:19:06 Some of the Embedian guys will be af DefConf7 May 25 11:19:09 at May 25 11:19:18 hrw: could you ask him if he knows if abiword works with libiconv? May 25 11:19:59 asked May 25 11:20:21 tell him I correctly named him tomas (without 'h') :) May 25 11:20:26 ;)) May 25 11:21:09 and I will take him directly to a bar near the main river crossing berlin May 25 11:21:14 I'll probably be at the Laser Show in Munchen about the same time. May get to the end of DefConf7 but every one will already be exhausted. Like joining an airplane from Bangkok to London at JFK, New York. May 25 11:21:41 just a bit smelly. May 25 11:23:05 zecke: tf May 25 11:23:05 zecke: 13:22 May 25 11:23:05 » hrw, tell him I do not know, but that it is possible May 25 11:25:12 okay May 25 11:26:27 XorA: hvontres said it was shipped global priority first class somehing and should have arrived after 6 to 9 days May 25 11:26:37 We are now at day 15 May 25 11:26:49 russf: I live in Edin so I will be around for DebConf, but I doubt I will officially attend May 25 11:27:05 russf: unless there is an audio/embedded stuff May 25 11:27:19 Laibsch: i'm still waiting for an overnight cheque for HP , 3 weeks later still ain't here :( May 25 11:27:26 s/for/from May 25 11:27:59 Hi XorA : the Emdebian guys are giving a talk. May 25 11:28:03 Well, we can't do anything but wait anyways May 25 11:28:44 hrw: http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/poky/trunk/meta/packages/abiword/abiword.inc, I wonder if I should make libiconv RPROVIDE these languages or somehow fix the RDEPENDS if abiword May 25 11:29:58 russf: I meant real embedded not some project that died 2 years ago :-) May 25 11:30:16 XorA: Ahhha! HA! May 25 11:31:04 Well, the Scots have the tradition of a 'wake'. Perhaps this is it for them. May 25 11:31:29 XorA. But to prove it, OE would need to be there showing it's vigour and success. May 25 11:31:34 its May 25 11:31:45 (silly language) May 25 11:32:29 zecke: ms word importer needs them May 25 11:33:24 russf: Embedian guys know about OE already May 25 11:33:32 koen: hrw: thanks both for your help today. May 25 11:34:08 hrw: koen: when I'm done with this dev board, can I offer it to one of you? May 25 11:34:25 for those lonely winter evenings? May 25 11:35:06 zecke: abiword itself will work without them but importing word documents will be broken. May 25 11:35:20 zecke: so I would add glibc/uclibc check for it May 25 11:35:40 zecke: yuk rdepends on glibc-gconv bits, what about building with other libcs ? May 25 11:36:00 russf: better offer it to OE project then to selected developer May 25 11:36:09 ok hrw beat me May 25 11:36:49 hrw: ok. Well, when the time comes, I'll ask for an address. May need if for another 6 months. Project might be dead by then. ;) May 25 11:37:02 I mean the OE project ;) May 25 11:38:31 hrw: Embedian guys know about OE already - yes. I see that wookey has feet in both camps May 25 11:38:56 I had a nice welcome in that channel yesterday. Some useful opinion. May 25 11:39:02 * * OE Bug 2375 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by bugs.openembedded.org@rolf.leggewie.biz May 25 11:39:04 * * [Bug 2375] can't build lirc May 25 11:39:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2375 May 25 11:39:34 hrw: koen|away RP mickey|lunch : Any opinion on SPI? May 25 11:42:22 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * re2e3ffef... 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): May 25 11:42:22 classpath: update from Andrew Paulsen. partly closes 2296. May 25 11:42:22 * update classpath-gtk. fix $PN-issue. May 25 11:42:22 * add classpath-gtk_cvs May 25 11:42:22 * add classpath-minimal-native May 25 11:42:26 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * re5737c35... 10/ (1 MAINTAINERS): MAINTAINERS: update my entry May 25 11:42:31 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * rfa1f0eaf... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): gpe-timesheet: unify May 25 11:42:35 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r0336be68... 10/ (9 files in 2 dirs): gpe-what: unify May 25 11:42:40 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * ra87c3a73... 10/ (8 files in 2 dirs): gtkhtml: unify May 25 11:42:45 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * re6fc8d3f... 10/ (8 files in 2 dirs): hal: unify May 25 11:42:50 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r30ffcdbd... 10/ (11 files in 2 dirs): intltool: unify May 25 11:42:59 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r5339a91e... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): classpath: make disable-automake-checks apply to CVS version of classpath-gtk May 25 11:43:09 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r0720bd0a... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): May 25 11:43:09 classpath: revert seemingly erroneous manipulations of SRC_URI in classpath.inc May 25 11:43:09 Add gconf_version.patch explicitly to the SRC_URI where appropriate May 25 11:43:15 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r6e05bff7... 10/ (1 packages/mpeg2dec/mpeg2dec_0.4.0b.bb): mpeg2dec: set it to provide and rprovide libmpeg2 (just to be safe, bug 375) May 25 11:43:22 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * rd39095d7... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): scummvm: introduce SOURCEFORGE_MIRROR variable. some minor clean-up. May 25 11:43:29 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * rfb232991... 10/ (1 packages/glibmm/glibmm_2.8.4.bb packages/gtkmm/gtkmm.inc): glibmm and gtkmm: fix incorrect dependencies. Fixes bug 1923. May 25 11:43:35 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r78f53e7d... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): May 25 11:43:35 elfutils: upgrade to version 127 May 25 11:43:35 * previous version 108 had become unfetchable May 25 11:43:35 * use autotools_stage_all May 25 11:43:36 * make warnings.patch apply again. May 25 11:43:38 * compilation runs through. no further tests. May 25 11:43:40 * some minor, cosmetic clean-up May 25 11:43:42 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * raa1e3ce3... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): opie-tinykate: fix packaging May 25 11:43:45 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * rcb3abb91... 10/ (8 files in 2 dirs): May 25 11:43:46 classpath: update to version 0.1x May 25 11:43:48 * unify May 25 11:43:50 * fix packaging May 25 11:43:54 * rename PBN var to PN May 25 11:43:56 * cosmetic clean-up May 25 11:44:35 hi Cliff May 25 11:44:41 Laibsch: lot of stuff May 25 11:44:47 hrw: hello Marcin May 25 11:46:27 hrw: I felt a little constipated. classpath still has issues (some bb files I did not yet commit) but I felt I could not hold it off any longer. May 25 11:47:11 sure May 25 11:48:24 ~curse DHL for shitty website May 25 11:48:37 you cannot be our client if you do not use MSIE May 25 11:48:39 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, DHL for shitty website ! May 25 11:48:41 assholes May 25 11:49:22 ade|desk: hrw any ideas how to fix the RDEPENDS? using OVERRIDES? May 25 11:50:18 or python anonymous() May 25 11:54:35 hrw: DHL works for me in greasyweasel May 25 11:56:37 not here May 25 11:56:53 their 'webapp' crash one after another May 25 11:57:15 if will crash again then I will call their support and order courier May 25 11:58:51 uf. worked this time May 25 11:58:59 if you think DHL are bad try City Link i nthe UK May 25 11:59:18 real name Shitty Link May 25 12:00:02 slimak.lan:/srv/nfs/sources 35G 8,2G 25G 26% /home/hrw/devel/sources May 25 12:00:13 finally one DL_DIR for all machines May 25 12:00:13 they never deliver and send a card to say we tried to deliver but you weren't in by a postcard with a stamp on it. so they never call at your house May 25 12:05:43 ade|desk: dont forget is Initial Shittylink as just Shittylink is a bus company May 25 12:05:50 what's up with the openembedded.org server again? All the openmoko folks? May 25 12:06:06 slow as molasses May 25 12:06:13 Laibsch: use a mirror May 25 12:12:36 Is anybodyknow why angstrom-2007.1.conf use CVS_TARBALL_STASH = "\ and not CVS_TARBALL_STASH ?= "\ ? May 25 12:14:13 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r2a6d1b34... 10/ (1 packages/lirc/lirc_0.8.1+cvs20070307.bb): lirc: remove default_pref=-1 from cvs version until other versions compile (cf. bug 2375 and 2284) May 25 12:39:03 Laibsch: re 2364, if the older than 2.7.X recipes are actually needed just steal the code from 2.7.X May 25 12:39:32 Laibsch: mickeyl and I added the gtk-binver bbclass ages ago, but we never use the older recipes May 25 12:39:40 Laibsch: otherwise just bin the older recipes May 25 12:46:02 * * OE Bug 2006 has been marked as DUPLICATE of bug 2295 *** by bugs.openembedded.org@rolf.leggewie.biz May 25 12:46:04 * * [Bug 2006] fortune-mod-1.99 fails on powerpc ( builds May 25 12:46:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2006 May 25 12:46:40 XorA: I was talking about the website. For monotone I always use ewi May 25 12:50:05 XorA: I think I'll bin them. May 25 13:06:22 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r9ecb8a36... 10/ (1 packages/abiword/abiword.inc packages/gtk+/gtk-2.10.inc): May 25 13:06:22 packages/{abiword,gtk}: Do not depend on glibc gconv when compiling for uclibc May 25 13:06:22 Use the TARGET_OS linux override to RDEPEND/RRECOMMEND glibc-gconv modules. I have May 25 13:06:22 tested this only on my uclibc build. May 25 13:10:31 XorA: there are a couple of preferences set for 2.6.5 in conf/distro/include/* So I guess I can only drop the later versions May 25 13:10:36 older versions May 25 13:11:27 hi May 25 13:11:35 Laibsch: ~lart openmoko May 25 13:12:27 I have a problem with libutil on linux embedded with GNU EABI May 25 13:12:45 XorA: Because they use the old version? May 25 13:12:50 ~pastebin May 25 13:12:55 rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well May 25 13:13:08 NiZoX: feel free to paste your problem into a pastebin, maybe some one takes a look at it?! May 25 13:13:46 http://fr.pastebin.ca/469242 May 25 13:13:54 Laibsch: well gpe you can update just by going florian, mind if we bump the gtk-engines version May 25 13:14:03 sorry if my english is bad, but I'm french :) May 25 13:15:21 NiZoX: well, obviously you don't have libutil.so.1 under /usr/lib* May 25 13:15:51 .. May 25 13:15:52 NiZoX: what distribution do you use to build? why is jfbterm (whatever that is) in /root/dev/usr/bin? do you have libutil.so.1 in /root/dev/usr/lib? May 25 13:15:53 http://fr.pastebin.ca/509413 May 25 13:16:02 it's exist May 25 13:16:25 it's a GSM May 25 13:16:34 well set a LD_LIBARY_PATH=/root/dev/usr/lib ? May 25 13:16:45 yes May 25 13:17:16 NFS is funny May 25 13:18:04 I have make jfbterm with cross http://www.codesourcery.com/gnu_toolchains/arm/download.html May 25 13:18:55 and libutil comes to http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort May 25 13:19:13 NiZoX: well, then you mis-spelled LD_LIBRARY_PATH or didn't export it May 25 13:19:51 It found the librairy but does'nt valid May 25 13:19:56 library* May 25 13:20:27 strace return http://fr.pastebin.ca/509413 May 25 13:21:25 It's ignore the file May 25 13:21:36 NiZoX: well, read the answers. your LD_LIBRARY_PATH is wrong or not exported. it didn't look at /root/dev/usr/lib for libaries May 25 13:22:07 russf: uboot fails for kb9202 May 25 13:22:16 I can't use /dev/lib because the filesystem is squashfs May 25 13:22:23 so read-only .. May 25 13:22:45 only /root is read-write May 25 13:22:54 hrw: this is a full-service operation you are running. May 25 13:22:56 NiZoX: I know you are french. So I will repeat myself without getting angry. It didn't look at /root/dev/usr/lib for your library May 25 13:23:14 NiZoX: so either built jbfterm with a -rpath! or set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable May 25 13:23:17 you have built that config already? (I'm on task 525) May 25 13:23:19 enough said May 25 13:23:35 oh, sorry May 25 13:23:45 I understand :) May 25 13:23:49 russf: here it fails on uboot May 25 13:24:06 so what are the options. May 25 13:24:07 russf: NOTE: Running task 734 of 1266 (ID: 935, /home/hrw/devel/oe/org.openembedded/packages/uboot/u-boot_1.2.0.bb, do_compile) May 25 13:24:14 ok. May 25 13:24:14 thank you very much May 25 13:24:29 what is the error? May 25 13:25:24 russf: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.boot-loaders.u-boot/26901 that one May 25 13:26:22 au revoir! May 25 13:27:24 russf: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.boot-loaders.u-boot/26871 will be more interesting for you May 25 13:27:25 poor guy. I feel his pain. May 25 13:27:40 as this contain patch May 25 13:31:42 Yes. OK. So how can I best patch this so that it does not recur? May 25 13:32:04 Find the sources and the maintainer, I guess. May 25 13:34:34 check patch, adapt it and get it working. then submit it to OE (as patch to recipe) and to u-boot people (to get it included in sources) May 25 13:34:52 ok. thx again. May 25 13:37:02 * * OE Bug 2364 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by bugs.openembedded.org@rolf.leggewie.biz May 25 13:37:04 * * [Bug 2364] hardcoded paths in gtk-engines ipk May 25 13:37:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2364 May 25 13:43:29 ~seen pb_ May 25 13:44:01 hrw: I need to focus elsewhere for a couple of hours. I'll let you know how that turns out. May 25 13:44:05 pb_ was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 43d 20h 8m 53s ago, saying: 'bd2: hi'. May 25 13:46:35 russf: no problem - it is your board so you have to make it working not me;) May 25 13:46:59 ~seen pb__ May 25 13:47:08 hrw: sure. And I look forward to sending a patch. May 25 13:47:41 pb__ was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 43d 18h 5m 47s ago, saying: 'dunno. it's hard to imagine what real problem it would cause.'. May 25 13:52:07 Hello, May 25 13:52:49 I have a ton of errors when I try to compile a simple project (http://rafb.net/p/F2Iqy440.html), does that means that I corrupted something during the install ? May 25 13:53:28 theBrave: wrong BBPATH variable May 25 13:53:35 theBrave: do 'echo $BBPATH' May 25 13:54:26 and BBFILES can be tricky if you forget 'packages' or the wildcards at the end. May 25 13:57:03 I had export BBPATH=~/OE/build:~/OE/org.openembedded.dev/ May 25 13:57:34 or in the conf/local.conf ? May 25 13:58:16 ok found, wildcard lacked May 25 13:59:13 thanks russf May 25 14:03:33 theBrave: My first miniscule contribution to OE land. I'm honoured. May 25 14:04:13 theBrave: Also I think ~ are deprecated. Should have absolute path starting with "/" (kick me if I'm wrong on this) May 25 14:04:46 russf: Your shell would interpret ~, not OE May 25 14:14:06 NAbyss: You mean that ~ is OK in the BBPATH, but not in the local.conf?? May 25 14:16:04 russf: export FOO=~ should be ok, yes May 25 14:19:11 NAbyss: thanks for the correction. May 25 14:20:13 I run a setup script in the build root that uses `pwd` that works fine, for sure. May 25 14:32:18 zecke: not any more, but i was one of the founders. May 25 14:32:24 zecke: why? May 25 14:33:28 robtaylor: I wondered if you have control over Alp ;) May 25 14:33:36 hrw: I did a 'task-base' build - 860 tasks - all succeeded, as far as I can see. What kind of build did you do? May 25 14:33:48 zecke: hah, nope, but i'll take him out for a drink later..why? May 25 14:34:46 robtaylor: I don't know yet May 25 14:35:57 thesing: did you get the invitation? May 25 14:37:03 yes thanks. May 25 14:39:08 russf: angstrom-console-image tried May 25 14:39:11 thesing: morning May 25 14:39:50 hrw: hi May 25 14:40:20 thesing: why did you decide to go to the worst of the three uni's in berlin? May 25 14:41:19 zecke: Fist because I don't think that its the worst, and second because its nearest to my home. May 25 14:41:40 hehe May 25 14:42:35 most of the natural siences are in adlershof now, and its not bad there. May 25 14:43:38 its not like the age old argument about the top universities in the UK: Oxford, Cambridge and Hull, is it ? May 25 14:44:47 no May 25 14:45:19 Oxford and Cambridge suckass and Ive never been to Hull (thats just the towns) May 25 14:55:56 hi May 25 15:01:14 XorA: i think you missed the gag.. May 25 15:01:25 XorA: never seen blackadder goes forth? May 25 15:01:27 a problem with the web site, ATM? May 25 15:01:55 robtaylor: yeah I have May 25 15:02:19 robtaylor: I can remeber a gag, I cant remeber how it goes though May 25 15:02:53 robtaylor: oh, I need sleep, I remeber now May 25 15:03:01 XorA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Hospital_(Blackadder):) May 25 15:03:27 i'm with melchett ;) May 25 15:04:23 * lrg thinks their should be a No10 petition for the BBC to make Blackadder 5 (Instead of crappy Mr Bean) May 25 15:04:52 robtaylor: yeah, last I was in oxford it didnt even have a proper cinema May 25 15:04:59 * lrg now can't his there and theirs right May 25 15:05:18 I have a cpio.gz file that I want to build into a kernel, so I add it to my SRC_URI, but bitbake extracts it into $WORKDIR, can I keep a .gz file from being extracted? May 25 15:05:18 lrg: yeah, that'd be nice. i think Rowan makes too much money from americans nowadays though May 25 15:05:41 blackadder 5 would have to be the war of terror May 25 15:06:17 its not rowans fault that ben elton doesn't want to write more blackadder May 25 15:06:55 robtaylor: Btw, I've added an ohm example - sorry about lateness, we have been very busy lately with large project. Let me know if you need more audio examples. May 25 15:06:59 xuumbi: not easily May 25 15:07:58 zecke: yeah that's what I figured, I'll either rename it so bitbake doesn't extract it, or run gzip on it before the compile runs May 25 15:08:48 xuumbi: or write your own do_unpack method (take a look at base.bbclass to get inspiration) May 25 15:09:06 zecke: a-ha, that could work, thanks! May 25 15:09:57 xuumbi: or maybe add a ;nounpack=1 property and send a patch for base.bbclass May 25 15:10:15 hi all May 25 15:11:22 xuumbi: or rename it to cpio.gz1 May 25 15:11:44 hrw: any opinion on SPI? May 25 15:12:06 hrw: appending 1 is a built-in option? May 25 15:12:56 xuumbi: any other name then .gz .bz2 .zip to avoid unpacking May 25 15:13:01 zecke: have to read about it May 25 15:13:42 hrw: ok that's what I thought, then I would just have to rename it before compiling, although I don't know if the kernel is picky about the file extension... May 25 15:20:20 What are the implications of using OE to build a distro for an embedded system? Is it reasonable to maintain closed an application running in a device? AFAICT (can't reach site ATM) OE is GPL May 25 15:20:57 russf: OE is MIT licensed, we welcome contributions though May 25 15:21:31 russf: the patches to the software use the license of the software (if not stated otherwise) May 25 15:22:08 russf: to obey releasing sourcecode for GPL, QPL, LGPL bits we have a special bbclass that puts all the files needed to obey the license into a directory May 25 15:22:17 I think that means that we are open to keep our own IP. (We will be interfacing with hardware using algorithms that we are not able to publish.) May 25 15:22:41 zecke: cool! May 25 15:22:53 russf: well, e.g. if you patch the kernel, or libc you must obey their license May 25 15:23:24 but you are not mandated to publish your copy of OE, any of the patches to OE, or new recipes May 25 15:23:31 russf, OE code won't go into the finally code May 25 15:23:49 ok. thanks for the clarification May 25 15:24:05 so like zecke says, you are bound by the license of the SW you ship May 25 15:24:30 zecke: SPI is fine for me in general. but if we decide to leave SPI one day all assets/money can be transfered only to US 501 non-profit organization May 25 15:24:57 hrw: right, that is the only issue May 25 15:25:05 spi? May 25 15:25:13 software in public interest May 25 15:25:15 ah May 25 15:25:16 Crofton: Software in the Public Interest May 25 15:25:25 "official backend of debian" May 25 15:25:30 hmm May 25 15:25:36 Crofton: http://www.spi-inc.org/treasurer/associated-project-howto.html May 25 15:25:37 zecke: other then that I am ok with SPI May 25 15:25:38 I'm not sure I like the sound of that :) May 25 15:26:22 hrw: it is possible to take donations, we can control the way money is spent, we can move on (to other US orginsations) May 25 15:27:19 zecke: and I am fine with that May 25 15:27:27 Crofton: I think you have them confuset with the "Center for Science in the Public Interest"...:) (remember, all chineese food is bad...) May 25 15:27:40 mmmmm, chinese May 25 15:28:15 it is the reference to a "backend" :) May 25 15:29:20 cu all May 25 15:29:27 hrw: later May 25 15:29:38 hrw: thanks again! May 25 15:29:46 russf: np May 25 15:30:12 * CoreDump|home w/o much surprise takes note that opie-image does not build for angstrom May 25 15:32:46 CoreDump|home: talk to polyonymous when he gets back. He did manage to get some images built :) May 25 15:34:04 hvontres|poodle: thanks for the hint May 25 15:34:38 CoreDump|home: you might also check with psokolovsky_ May 25 15:35:02 * * OE Bug 1772 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by bugs.openembedded.org@rolf.leggewie.biz May 25 15:35:04 * * [Bug 1772] libsdl-native compile dies on SDL_cpuinfo.c May 25 15:35:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1772 May 25 15:35:12 CoreDump|home: btw, I have a prototype of the menu ready and should have it in SVN tonight. May 25 15:35:20 hvontres|poodle: great! May 25 15:35:59 CoreDump|home: it does of course. unless someone broke it since yesterday May 25 15:36:33 psokolovsky_: | FATAL: Configuring qt May 25 15:36:35 CoreDump|home: currently I have is set up to show the main menu and the available kernels in my SD script. The best part is that it also has the timer built in. May 25 15:37:05 hvontres|poodle: sweet =) I will check it out this WE May 25 15:37:10 CoreDump|home: http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpieWithAngstrom May 25 15:37:38 zecke: Are we going to see a mail to the list? May 25 15:38:15 * CoreDump|home pokes ltg.org May 25 15:39:18 psokolovsky_: I will check the wiki later, ltg is down for me ATM. Thanks for the link May 25 15:42:05 CoreDump|home: all in all, you need to have following in local.conf: "require conf/distro/include/preferred-opie-versions-1.2.3-pre.inc" May 25 15:43:22 is there a mirror for http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE.mtn.bz2 ? May 25 15:49:51 Laibsch: regarding SPI? May 25 15:50:08 Laibsch: did you attend that part at OEDEM? May 25 17:06:34 zecke: No, I don't think so. I just know there have been attempts to establish some kind of formal organization. May 25 17:07:13 Would be nice to see something like that and be able to have tax-deductability. May 25 17:07:16 Laibsch: e.V. in Germany, Limited in the U.K., other or SPI are options May 25 17:07:44 Laibsch: e.V. has the most overhead but it is easy to control the spending of the money May 25 17:07:53 at first I though, SPI? too america-centric, but the partnership with ffis seems to alleviate that May 25 17:07:55 Laibsch: Limited is easy, but how to get rid of a mad president? May 25 17:08:26 shoot him? May 25 17:08:31 zecke: That is why I was asking about the mail. Lay out the options and pros and cons May 25 17:08:43 Laibsch: SPI, tax deductability in the U.S., full control over the money May 25 17:08:46 Crofton: No, you promote them away May 25 17:08:55 Laibsch: I think we summarized it already May 25 17:09:20 Laibsch: not as a Limited. E.g. Richard gets the owner of OE Ltd. in the U.K. (imaginary example) May 25 17:09:21 Unfortuneatly, shooting is not a really good option, even over here May 25 17:09:25 zecke: I think SPI would offer tax deductability via ffis. If not, I think that would be a *major* drawback May 25 17:09:47 How important is tax deductibility? May 25 17:09:51 SPI is the most easy way to get tax deductions May 25 17:10:01 Crofton: For me? Very much May 25 17:10:15 Crofton: I think a lot of companies spending their budget on OpenSource want Tax Deductions May 25 17:10:17 why? do you plan to donate? May 25 17:10:20 ok May 25 17:10:26 that I can see May 25 17:10:34 Hi, all May 25 17:10:58 so Tax deductible central irg, but people can work around edges for profit? May 25 17:11:06 * Crofton is a capitalist :) May 25 17:11:37 Laibsch: http://openembedded.org/~zecke/foundation-considerations.odt, I don't think it makes sense to post it to the mailing list (this document was written in <3.2 minutes) May 25 17:11:54 * zecke is hobbyist witch burner May 25 17:12:22 so we all donate to the foundation which employs zecke? May 25 17:12:49 (and koen) May 25 17:13:14 I like the idea of paying Koen to be nice to people :) May 25 17:13:19 hehe May 25 17:13:22 I have a problem.... I need update-modules for kernel-module. How to write it in bb or machine conf? May 25 17:13:38 Crofton: I think there are things even money can't do May 25 17:16:39 crofton, I don't know if there's that much money on earth. May 25 17:17:19 Well the foundation is still in consideration May 25 17:17:42 zecke: is there any news on that ? May 25 17:18:51 gerwinin: no, currently SPI is my favorite. The only downside is that if we decide to leave SPI we either lose our assets, or need to find another US organisation (or create one) May 25 17:19:19 I could create one May 25 17:19:25 then you caould all pay me :) May 25 17:35:33 zecke: I was finally to download the file from that damn server ;-) May 25 17:35:44 I was under the impression that a decision was imminent May 25 17:35:59 and in that case I would have liked to see some discussion May 25 17:36:39 How long-established is SPI? Who "runs" it? May 25 17:37:19 An alternative to an e.V. would be a subproject in ffis, I guess May 25 17:37:37 But I do like SPI for their internationality. May 25 17:38:12 Accountability is of course something that needs to be sorted out (make sure they don't run away with the money) May 25 17:40:05 * Crofton has always fantasized about running off with the money. May 25 17:40:59 Laibsch: well, it was founded by Debian people (Bruce Perens), they elect their board and you can read their discussions May 25 17:41:58 Laibsch: and one could trust the SPI as Debian is with them, GNOME was with them and freedesktop.org joined them May 25 17:43:30 Laibsch: well and the decision is imminent since OEDEM ;) May 25 17:46:04 03florian 07org.oe.dev * ra91c4341... 10/ (1 packages/gpephone/gpe-session-scripts-phone_0.67.bb): gpe-session-scripts-phone: Work around broken OE instal-sh. May 25 17:46:08 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r30fdc775... 10/ (1 packages/gpephone/connect_0.1.bb): connect: Work around broken OE install-sh. May 25 17:46:14 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r12a5ce3a... 10/ (1 packages/keylaunch/files/makefile-fix.patch): keylaunch: Update patch May 25 17:46:19 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r23c1fc66... 10/ (1 packages/pcmciautils/pcmciautils-014/makefile_fix.patch): pcmciautils: Update patch to fix install breakage. May 25 17:46:39 zecke : Did the date for OEDEM finilized ? May 25 17:47:11 steliosk: well, we can poke marcin or I can invite you to berlin any time May 25 17:47:23 + a better guided tour to pubs without much walk :) May 25 17:47:49 ok you got me ! May 25 17:48:07 beach bars rock! May 25 17:48:42 I told him to organize it in Greece... summer fun, girls, drinks.. the perfect atmosfere for a developers meetings May 25 17:49:09 of course wives would dis-agree but this is another matter :) May 25 17:50:21 and of course someone would have to watch Crofton not to run with the the beer money :) May 25 17:50:35 more like run off with the beer May 25 17:50:48 :) May 25 17:53:09 Crofton: probably depends on the beer quality no? May 25 17:53:19 well, I have office space and know hotels May 25 17:53:27 alternatively you all come to the chaos camp May 25 17:53:38 well May 25 17:53:50 I live in the US and have drunk Miller Lite May 25 17:53:57 cheap May 25 17:54:06 Pabst is cheaper though May 25 17:54:33 Wait, I thought the topic was beers though May 25 17:54:42 good popint May 25 17:54:54 ML is like water with a little booze May 25 17:56:23 Crofton: like Finnish Lapin Kulta then :-) May 25 17:56:37 zecke: how is the webkit stuff btw? May 25 17:56:52 Can I download and play with it somewhere? May 25 17:57:05 Philippe: you can play with it, don't expect too much May 25 17:57:33 Philippe: it is going slowly, I see new problems each day and am a bit stuck implementing a proper scrolled window May 25 17:57:41 zecke: ok :-) May 25 17:57:55 IS the code in the webkit svn/cvs/whatever ? May 25 17:58:02 Philippe: download the svn tree now (it is ~300MB) May 25 17:58:25 Philippe: it is in svn, http://webkit.org/building/checkout.html May 25 17:59:10 Philippe: http://build.webkit.org/ shows what builds, Gtk is currently broken, the patch is pending inclusion May 25 17:59:37 I'm back. May 25 17:59:38 zecke: ok, thanks! May 25 18:00:11 Philippe: building needs qmake from Qt4 (sharing the buildsystem with Qt makes sense as this makes sure the port keeps building) May 25 18:00:25 Philippe: and you can just call WebKitTools/Scripts/build-webkit --gdk May 25 18:00:44 How does rootfs_ipk.bbclasse work? May 25 18:00:46 Philippe: WebKitBuild/Release/WebKitTools/GdkLauncher contains an executable May 25 18:01:05 wrong.... how does it deploy packs? May 25 18:02:10 steliosk: it calls ipkg-cl install on a list of package names? May 25 18:03:06 zecke : what do you mean ? May 25 18:03:20 step2back: it calls ipkg-cl install on a list of package names? May 25 18:03:27 steliosk: sorry May 25 18:04:13 Why do I ask? I get kernel-module-blabla with postinst :: "update-modules || true", but that command never executed! May 25 18:04:14 zecke: still checking out ... there is a lot of stuff in there :-) May 25 18:04:23 all this beer talk made me thirsty... May 25 18:04:29 * steliosk gone to get one May 25 18:04:42 There are no /etc/modules in image May 25 18:04:52 Philippe: I think 280 MB of test data ;) May 25 18:07:39 anyone knows how Gtk's Gdk' focus handling is working? May 25 18:08:19 do I need to have a GtkWidget to gain focus? or can it work with GdkWindow? May 25 18:10:15 zecke: No clue... May 25 18:21:38 * zecke eats 75g of a melk chocolade letter May 25 18:23:05 zecke: If you talk to the SPI people make sure to get them interested in developping a proper bounty system. This is something which I find is lacking in the FOSS arena. It seems launchapd will not pick it up any time soon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/91201 :-/ May 25 18:28:25 Laibsch: who is saying I will talk to them? May 25 18:28:52 Laibsch: and a centralued bounty system? May 25 18:56:03 hi May 25 18:57:38 Laibsch: any luck with your neighbors? May 25 19:14:44 zecke : btw did the date for OEDEM finilized or not? May 25 19:15:07 zecke : i would like to attend but need to know in advance May 25 19:16:30 steliosk: no, we are waiting for marcin :) May 25 19:16:56 alternatively I can name a date +3 month from now May 25 19:18:24 hmm 3 months from now is August... May 25 19:18:51 that's why you were talking for beach bars ? :) May 25 19:19:40 hehe May 25 19:19:46 less crowded May 25 19:20:04 two month May 25 19:35:33 zecke :i don't know if you saw the morning irc talk. i tested 1.8 and icecc and it looks like 1.8 makes build close to 30% when the same cluster used 1.6 May 25 19:35:43 http://pastebin.ca/510144 May 25 19:35:50 Anyone have any ideas? May 25 19:35:52 that is 30% faster May 25 19:36:37 steliosk: that is good, do you know where the slow down of tinderbox is coming from? May 25 19:36:47 steliosk: now we need to distribute m4 :) May 25 19:37:04 zecke no. did not find time to test May 25 19:43:11 zecke What i have seen is that if you manage to do the configs/pre-processing tasks in one thread "ahead" of the compile thread then you end up with a lot faster build time May 25 19:43:44 when you have to wait for configs etc then things slow down and the compile machines just waitfor jobs May 25 19:46:07 re ph5 May 25 19:55:02 hi May 25 19:55:36 ho May 25 19:55:55 off to work... May 25 19:56:08 ouch May 25 19:56:25 * Bernardo was visualizing 7 dwarves marching and chanting May 25 19:57:25 * mwester was waiting for the 7th to leave so he could go see if Snow White might be interested in going out for a cup of coffee... May 25 19:57:52 hm? May 25 19:57:53 I'm afraid she's sleeping... And she is a sound sleeper May 25 19:59:12 anyone else having problems with mpeg2dec? May 25 20:09:02 * * OE Bug 2376 has been created by jbs@bandos.homelinux.com May 25 20:09:04 * * mpeg2dec won't build - no rule to make target "install" May 25 20:09:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2376 May 25 20:29:46 zecke: Well, eventually someone will have to talk to them if OE decides to join SPI. I naturally assumed that would be you ;-) May 25 20:29:59 hvontres|poodle: No, nothing here. May 25 20:30:10 Let's hope for the ship theory May 25 20:31:17 Laibsch: you are currently in .jp? did you move there? May 25 20:31:26 no, I am not May 25 20:31:32 I am in .de May 25 20:31:40 What makes you think I am in .jp? May 25 20:31:42 DHL is using ships now? May 25 20:31:57 From the US? Why not? May 25 20:32:06 ah, from the US May 25 20:32:19 if you forgot the priority sticker... it will use a ship for sure May 25 20:33:20 Laibsch: and as to orgnisation, we will implement in the bylaws that you are allowed donate (expect you have a tax benefit you want to have...) May 25 20:34:07 you are alllowed to donate? May 25 20:34:14 Well, how nice of you ;-) May 25 20:34:25 I did not quite understand your last comment May 25 20:34:56 well, I think you donate enough (by devoting passion+time) May 25 20:35:07 zecke: I'm not thrilled about SPI, I'd rather have a proper foundation May 25 20:35:23 zecke: bit if time/money doesn't permit that, I'm ok with SPI May 25 20:36:19 koen_: My primary goal is to have a foundation that can't do business. So it is either SPI, our own U.S. org or e.V. May 25 20:36:33 koen_: as Crofton would run with the money the U.S. based org is not an option May 25 20:36:38 koen_: and e.V. can be some work May 25 20:37:08 e.V. is a lot of work und consume a lawer and half a year May 25 20:38:24 you could all come with me, if there is enough money :) May 25 20:40:57 zecke: Talk to the gpe guys. They were talking about something earlier today. May 25 20:43:32 ggilbert: will probably chat with florian at linuxtag May 25 20:43:51 Just a dumb question May 25 20:43:53 Q: Do we need an organisation at all? May 25 20:44:00 Does OE realy need an org at all? May 25 20:44:02 * florian likes this idea May 25 20:44:21 Just for paying DNS or domain registration it might be over the top May 25 20:44:32 Is this a solution begging the question? May 25 20:44:47 no, it is a solution to the begging problem May 25 20:44:51 Laibsch: The only big reason I can think of is something to accept donations and pay for hosting costs. May 25 20:44:52 IMHO it is like contracts. You don't think you need one because everything is fine May 25 20:45:03 I dunno if that's a need oe has though. May 25 20:45:09 basically vendors can donate hw/money to the foundation May 25 20:45:13 But in fact a e.V. is not really complicated and the most important thing: It is forced to be transparent. May 25 20:45:17 and deduct it on their taxes May 25 20:45:21 IOW, what are the goals that we ant to achieve with an organisation that cannot be reached without it? May 25 20:45:36 I want something that represents the developers. In case I get even more insane, or Crofton runs with our money May 25 20:46:00 I want to have hosting, domain, even if ggilbert, kergoth, koen, me, florian runs away May 25 20:46:10 The problem is that once money enters the equation things tend to get complicated and nasty May 25 20:46:21 it should be clear who owns the hardware, (other assets) and who can decide what to happen with it May 25 20:46:22 zecke: That is a valid point May 25 20:46:28 Crofton, equally importantly, it means that the donations coming in don't count against the incom of the person handling it May 25 20:46:33 But one that I think can be solved without an org May 25 20:46:38 good point May 25 20:46:52 ggilbert: That is the same side of the coin May 25 20:47:13 you don't get the money twice May 25 20:47:16 zecke: exactly... that is really important. May 25 20:47:52 zecke: That's another argument for an e.V. - it can own stuff and needs to report about that. May 25 20:47:57 Laibsch: well code of conduct, a 'court' to resolve big issues can be done without an orginsation, but they are easy with one. May 25 20:48:49 The current situation at hh.org makes pretty clear that an Inc. does not do the trick. May 25 20:49:04 I don't think they're really any easier to do just because you're a registered legal entity May 25 20:49:34 florian: Only if you are locked in. May 25 20:50:04 Things can become even more nasty (and probably will) with a formal organisation May 25 20:50:12 So you should have *good* reasons for it May 25 20:50:20 * Laibsch is not against an org per se May 25 20:50:25 florian: the setup of SPI is different, the only limitation is if you leave SPI you can only go to another US org. May 25 20:50:43 I fail to see the really heavy-weighing reasons May 25 20:50:44 Laibsch: That's true... it is definitely additional overhead that reduces productivity. May 25 20:50:44 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * rc8157941... 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): May 25 20:50:44 gtk-engines: remove hard-coded paths. Closes 2364. May 25 20:50:44 * drop versions prior ro 2.6.5 May 25 20:50:44 * some cosmetic clean-up May 25 20:50:44 * backport solution from 2.7.4 to 2.6.5 and smooth-engine May 25 20:50:49 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r29a8a8c7... 10/ (1 packages/lirc/lirc-modules_0.8.1+cvs20070307.bb): lirc-modules: enable cvs version until other versions compile again May 25 20:51:19 florian: Laibsch : regarding productivity it depends on the amount of members. KDE e.V. is a good example May 25 20:51:32 I'd personally say that unless there are non-trivial financial concerns, then it's probably not worth it. May 25 20:51:37 zecke: indeed May 25 20:51:48 since organizing big events (aKademy) some board members don't hack but book flights May 25 20:52:26 zecke: but currently we do not have that "critical mass" if people May 25 20:52:30 Laibsch: I think one doesn't want an orginsation until it is too late May 25 20:53:24 Bersically SPI is a good idea, but I wonder if it might be a good idea to found something like this in Europe. May 25 20:53:52 * florian might be a little bit biased speaking about US companies at the moment May 25 20:53:53 FFIS? May 25 20:54:30 That was the charme of SPI for me: global reach. Something an e.V. just cannot do. May 25 20:54:37 FSFE? May 25 20:54:43 no May 25 20:55:25 FFIS might be an idea... May 25 20:55:41 what is that? May 25 20:55:54 zecke: http://www.ffis.de May 25 20:56:10 zecke: an e.V. to support free software May 25 20:56:45 hi everyone May 25 20:56:58 I am lost for places to find out about this stuff, so I thought I'd come here May 25 20:57:08 I have got a ECS H70 tablet May 25 20:57:16 and am desperate to get the touchscreen working May 25 20:57:17 http://www.ffis.de/Termine/ doesn't look too promising May 25 20:57:22 http://www.ffis.de/Verein/spi-en.html May 25 20:58:07 I think it would not be either or. With SPI you have access to ffis and thus German tax deductability May 25 20:58:23 * Laibsch still wonders about the solution begging a problem May 25 20:58:33 I could drop Joey an emailö and ask :-) May 25 20:58:54 florian: isn't he busy working? May 25 20:59:02 so anyone any experience with an onboard galax TouchKit usb-hid? May 25 20:59:16 zecke: he seems to have enough time for emails, i got one today... May 25 20:59:51 * florian has no idea what this H70 is May 25 21:00:12 florian: its a umpc by ECS/Tatung May 25 21:00:16 florian: well, SPI + FFIS looks like a good match May 25 21:00:26 celeron ig, pretty nice, 7" May 25 21:00:43 zecke: re "until it is too late". I believe you can have rules and governship (I am all for that as you know) without a *formal* organization May 25 21:01:12 aa_: oh nice May 25 21:01:17 I have ubuntu on the thing right now, but figured the embedded people have more experience with this touchscreen stuff May 25 21:01:34 Laibsch: right, one is believing that until you have unavoidable trouble May 25 21:01:39 I used to use one of your distros for my zaurus May 25 21:01:46 iirc some Lifebooks had these touchscreens as well May 25 21:02:04 zecke: that would be something to think about... May 25 21:03:02 florian: OT: did you ever play with GtkLayout? May 25 21:03:32 zecke: do you have some rudimentary recipe for webkit already? May 25 21:03:34 florian: egalaz even have a driver for linux, but I must be doing something wrong... May 25 21:03:47 zecke: not really May 25 21:04:00 stuck between a few different drivers /dev/input* /dev/tk* a few kernel modules a few x drivers...bah...I think I need a break May 25 21:04:03 koen: no, I still wonder about the SRC_URI. WebKit is +300MB to fetch May 25 21:04:28 zecke: fetch jscore and stuff seperately? May 25 21:05:19 koen: that would mostly work. There are only two files in the '/' that are needed May 25 21:06:23 zecke: there is a way to check out single files from svn :) May 25 21:06:44 in svn 1.recent-not-in-debian May 25 21:06:45 florian: right, but it won't be funny with 60 single files ;) May 25 21:07:12 zecke: indeed :-) May 25 21:07:13 http://blogs.gnome.org/view/ovitters/2007/05/21/0 May 25 21:09:17 ~seen xjquian May 25 21:09:50 !seen xjquian May 25 21:09:52 Laibsch, I don't remember seeing xjquian. May 25 21:10:09 ~seen xjqian May 25 21:10:15 i haven't seen 'xjquian', Laibsch May 25 21:11:07 xjqian was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 7d 11h 54m 56s ago, saying: 'zecke: yeah, that's my original question. well, I'm not complaining much, just a quibble'. May 25 21:12:19 hmm, i thought I was nice (enought) :} May 25 21:13:16 just my 2 euro cents on the legal entity discussions... May 25 21:13:57 We started a similar organization here in Greece a few years ago for the wireless network we had setup May 25 21:14:02 * * OE Bug 2376 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by bugs.openembedded.org@rolf.leggewie.biz May 25 21:14:04 * * [Bug 2376] mpeg2dec won't build - no rule to make May 25 21:14:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2376 May 25 21:14:57 the organization was a non profit one, with the itend to make sure that the network could not be used for commercial reasons (make money) May 25 21:15:35 When the network was rather small (100-150) users things moved along pretty much as planned May 25 21:16:20 but when it wend to 2000 users then the isp's took notice, money from grands/donations started to come in May 25 21:16:56 and people start asking "key people" in the managment on "instruction" how to set up commercial projects May 25 21:17:12 the end result was chaos... May 25 21:17:36 steliosk: Thanks for sharing for sharing your experience. The question is if OE is set for rapid growth. Then I would think there are good arguments for a more formal setup. At current level I am not so sure. May 25 21:17:38 anything that makes me filthy rich is ok May 25 21:17:53 or sexually irresistible ;-) May 25 21:18:01 or rather "zecke and me" May 25 21:18:11 s/irresistible/even more irresistible/ May 25 21:18:14 *g* May 25 21:18:24 thanks rolf (if you're here) May 25 21:18:26 ;-) May 25 21:18:32 Bernardo: np May 25 21:18:37 Should be up in a minute May 25 21:19:14 *filthy* *rich* *making miguel and nat do eachother...* May 25 21:19:15 the funny thing is from the original people who started the organization most of them left because the "new blood" was pro-bussiness and had a way to get the votes from members.... May 25 21:19:22 free inet... May 25 21:19:29 consoltation fees for projects May 25 21:19:31 etc etc May 25 21:19:49 Laibsch: you're rolf, then? :) I am jut having a small problem right now with multiple heads, as soon as that clears up I'll test May 25 21:20:13 well, an association is not required to accept new members. E.g. at KDE e.V. we cast a vote on proposed members May 25 21:20:13 steliosk: So you had an org and still got into trouble? How do you think it could have been avoided May 25 21:21:00 Any organization with more than one member will experience trouble at some point. The question is if they can resolve the trouble, IMO. May 25 21:21:13 After all these (and many more) i believe thatl when money is involved go for a "commercial" set up May 25 21:22:13 I would be filthy rich if I sell all those toys/devboards on my desk ;) May 25 21:22:18 if you want to keep it "pure" dev or what ever keep the money out May 25 21:22:30 bbl May 25 21:22:32 * Bernardo is away: Ausente por agora. May 25 21:22:43 steliosk: That also raises problems. How do you want to make sure that the real core people get paid adequatly? I think by now you'd have to cough a six-figure sum May 25 21:22:56 koen: we could do human business and sell organs :) May 25 21:23:27 steliosk: I agree with keeping the money out as much as possible is a good paradigma for OE May 25 21:23:30 Laibsch: that would violate rule 0.) May 25 21:23:46 If you think you can make money with OE join o-hand, kernelconcepts or create your own company May 25 21:23:50 * Laibsch suffers amnesia May 25 21:23:58 Can you quote rule 0) ? May 25 21:24:20 Or is the join XY rule 0)? May 25 21:24:39 freely quoting. "It must be prevented that koen and zecke get filthy rich through the organisation" May 25 21:24:51 Laibsch : I don't have an answer. With such diverse interests and needs by the devs its difficult to find a solution to make everyone happy .But i have seen it over and over and over again... money gets any troubles start May 25 21:26:14 Rule 0 sounds like socialism to me. I prefer "koen and zecke can get filthy rich as long as mwester gets some wealth as well" May 25 21:26:16 and adding to zecke's quote "or Crofton run away with the ..... beer/money/women" May 25 21:26:43 anyway as i said just my 2 euro cents May 25 21:26:48 Laibsch: personally I don't want something like the Mozilla Corporation. The foundation should do stuff a business can't do or shouldn't do. May 25 21:27:17 - It should own the assets (servers) and not run out of money (like business sometimes do) May 25 21:27:44 - It should cover expenses to get someone to a conference if o-hand, celf don't pay it May 25 21:28:21 well back to hacking ;) May 25 21:28:49 zecke : and then you get all the other complaining why their expenses where paid :/ May 25 21:29:05 s/where/were not May 25 21:29:25 steliosk: we never had such a complain at KDE e.V. Only in the opposite direction. Why didn't you spend more money to get people here :) May 25 21:29:38 http://ev.kde.org/ as a read May 25 21:30:15 anyway... back to hacking :) May 25 21:30:20 and wondering why those whose expenses *were* paid got to fly xyz airlines instead of saving 10 USD by choosing the flight with a lay-over in Fairbanks, Alaska for 10 hours... May 25 21:32:36 mwster : got any pinguins there ? make it more interesting than most of my lay-overs :) May 25 21:33:02 * * OE Bug 1750 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by bugs.openembedded.org@rolf.leggewie.biz May 25 21:33:04 * * [Bug 1750] bitbake build for package iana-etc ( solves May 25 21:33:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1750 May 25 21:34:38 No penguins, not even polar bears, I hear. May 25 21:34:43 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r05bd9dc1... 10/ (1 packages/mpeg2dec/mpeg2dec_0.4.0b.bb): mpeg2dec: fix a compilation error (${S} var) and packaging. May 25 21:35:08 steliosk: how big is your cluster and why did you change your nick? May 25 21:35:31 When you've seen the inside of one air terminal, you've seem them all -- the only difference is which internet provider is going to charge you 12.99 USD per day to get online while you wait :( May 25 21:35:37 my machine crashed, lost my irc setting including password May 25 21:37:09 zecke : currently 7 machines full time for compiling only (p4 celeron @ 2.5 GHz OC at 3Ghz) and 5-6 during office hours from (un)lucky people who plug their machines into our network :) May 25 21:37:44 Wow, what the hell are you compiling there? May 25 21:38:16 Care to distribute access to it ;-) May 25 21:38:32 lot'sastuff :) May 25 21:38:40 * Laibsch has like 1% of that computer power May 25 21:39:01 we need more... or to better put it i need more May 25 21:39:22 steliosk: well, let us design a processor to accelerate m4 May 25 21:39:29 i am looking for a multi cpu/multi core machine to be the "farm-master" May 25 21:40:39 hp dl585 May 25 21:41:17 or even lesser 380 or 360s May 25 21:41:42 Laibsch : why not. the build machines most of the time are idle waiting for build jobs... the farm master is the one that slows things down May 25 21:42:23 we have a FJS RX300 around I may not use anymore... May 25 21:43:24 zecke : I am accepting donations :) May 25 21:43:43 well, I think we are going to sell it May 25 21:43:53 a nice Quad Xeon system May 25 21:44:51 http://www.computers.us.fujitsu.com/www/products_primergy.shtml?products/servers/primergy/rx800 wow May 25 21:45:56 nice, but get more power with a blade enclosure (for the space) May 25 21:46:36 i got a nice deal from an associate for a supermicro h8dce / dual opterons and 2 Gig memory for around 1.100Euro May 25 21:46:45 timtimred: http://www.computers.us.fujitsu.com/www/products_primergy.shtml?products/servers/primergy/bx600 ? May 25 21:47:10 those look nice. im used to my HP kit though heh. May 25 21:50:25 steliosk: does the farmmaster need lots of cpu or ram? May 25 21:50:29 or both? May 25 21:52:03 * koen registers for guadec May 25 21:53:25 * zecke needs to find some one to pay the guadec trip May 25 21:53:43 well you need about 1 Gig for ram and with 1.8 the more cpus you have the better May 25 21:54:08 zecke: the trip isn't the problem, the accomodation is May 25 21:54:50 koen: that is the woman in me. Start with the easy thing and then turn everything into something complex May 25 21:55:05 zecke : we don't pay your expenses... money will go to new hardware :) May 25 21:55:32 I'm not human, I'm all mechanical I can even travel in a large enough box May 25 21:56:07 * koen pokes lrg about the trip schedule May 25 21:57:33 where should I go to find the touchscreen geeks? May 25 21:57:58 aa_: sadly there aren't much of those May 25 21:58:25 oh May 25 21:58:32 aa_: in the embedded world (e.g. arm cpus) everyone is using tslib, but on x86, everyone writes their own crappy implementation May 25 21:58:37 do touchscreens have a generic interface? May 25 21:58:45 oh poop May 25 21:58:55 well, this is embedded, but on x86 May 25 22:01:02 * * OE Bug 1682 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl May 25 22:01:04 * * [Bug 1682] gnutls suffers from cross-build contamination May 25 22:01:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1682 May 25 22:05:02 * * OE Bug 347 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by bugs.openembedded.org@rolf.leggewie.biz May 25 22:05:04 * * [Bug 347] New version of bl (for GPE) which supports May 25 22:05:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347 May 25 22:05:40 * koen wonders why xserver-xorg tries to compile x86 asm on powerpc, but not on arm May 25 22:17:02 * * OE Bug 2377 has been created by pmiscml@gmail.com May 25 22:17:04 * * Pre-proproiveded pointercals don't work in general case May 25 22:17:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2377 May 25 22:17:28 koen: ^^^ would like to make a solution now if possible. May 25 22:21:38 psokolovsky_: Isn't that an RFC and thus ML-material? May 25 22:22:21 Laibsch: it's regression first of all May 25 22:23:48 I have three real-worlds products here that come with preinstalled pointercals that work fine May 25 22:24:52 koen: yes, and you have roboter calibrating on production run May 25 22:25:46 zecke: maemo actually has the pointercalls in their source tree May 25 22:26:02 koen: think millions of devices. May 25 22:26:31 yes, I'm thinking that (nokia tables, psion netbooks) May 25 22:26:57 zauruses, nokias - very funny. maybe someone even will tell they were ever produced in more than thousands, lol ;-) May 25 22:27:32 psokolovsky_: what device were you thinking of then??? May 25 22:28:02 koen: so that's why I talk about pocketpc's only - for them, per-device calibration is vendor requirement, as clear from the default software which is shipped there May 25 22:28:26 heh May 25 22:28:46 (and from quite a number of reports that for some h2200 TS drivers work ok, for others not, the same for hx4700, just in another proportion) May 25 22:29:14 wince on the netbook requires manual calibration as well, but as soon as you enter the bootloader it loads calibration from PROM May 25 22:29:26 so citing wince as evidence doesn't impress me May 25 22:29:42 like I said in the bugs, show the diff between the working and nonworking pointercal May 25 22:29:59 psokolovsky_: maybe we need to collect a bigger sample of calibration values to see how much variation there seems to be between devices May 25 22:30:06 koen: well, let's do the same! let user calibrate it on install, and then it will load it from pointercal! ;-) May 25 22:30:39 hvontres|poodle: yeah, 10,000 should be good enough sampling for million-sized domain May 25 22:31:10 * koen suspects some people failed their statistics course May 25 22:31:17 that's odd. i am building uclibc o.9.28 with 1.6 and works fine. try again with 1.8 and gets stuck while configuring uclibc-initial.... any ideas ? May 25 22:31:21 psokolovsky_: only if you are trying to go for 6+ May 25 22:31:26 sigma that is May 25 22:31:50 koen: all in all, this thing would do more harm than good for people. I suggest not doing it for pocketpcs. May 25 22:31:51 steliosk: do you have the bad terminal flag? May 25 22:31:52 steliosk: didn't likewise have a fix for that? May 25 22:32:18 psokolovsky_: I first want to see the diffs between working and nonworking pointercals May 25 22:33:11 zecke : Did not see any, but haven't look very carefull May 25 22:33:13 steliosk: my fix was adding uclibc 0.9.29. However, your problem seems to be that the configure stage gets stuck at make oldconfig, which is typically the case when a config file is out of sync with the release May 25 22:33:16 P.S. and only imagine what obscure and funky breakage may happen if running images thru qemu... May 25 22:33:48 likewise : hmmm i think you are right, this is where it got stuck May 25 22:34:04 but if its out of sync how it works with 1.6 ? May 25 22:34:06 steliosk: manually enter the uclibc 0.9.28 dir and run make menuconfig to see why exactly May 25 22:34:13 steliosk: good point. May 25 22:34:32 steliosk: maybe you can diff the resulting .config file? May 25 22:35:12 steliosk: i.e. the bb1.6 and bb1.8 config. Should be no reason why they differ of course, but you seem to be hitting something here. May 25 22:36:13 * steliosk thinks he is too big and clumsy hitting things around May 25 22:36:22 from my experience working with 'experts' costumers: "My body armour sucks, my collegues vest is fitting me much better" May 25 22:36:30 so "show me the diff" May 25 22:38:41 hvontres|poodle: my paying job is now in after-sales support :) May 25 22:38:48 koen: well, there's scientific common sense: don't try to predict vast sequence parameters of which you don't know based on 1-2 samples. If that's no enough for you (hm), another reason: internal means of measurements in TS drivers are subject to change "without notice". May 25 22:39:09 psokolovsky_: show me the diff May 25 22:39:23 or rather, attach working pointercall to the bug and wiki May 25 22:40:07 kernel interfaces to userspace change as well, and we still build userspace in OE May 25 22:40:29 koen: http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/AngstromPointercals 3rd one May 25 22:40:58 koen: but hopefully we don't depend on exact size of binaries built ;-) May 25 22:41:18 that looks like "we changed the TS driver" instead of "millions of products have different parameters" May 25 22:42:41 anyway May 25 22:42:45 * koen goes to sleep May 25 22:43:59 koen: this, or that, or maybe something 3rd, or 43667th, i.e. essentially random - end effect is the same - users blocked from TS access. that's risk level what is important here, not exact reason of why it couln't work May 25 22:46:25 likewise : will that in the morning. need to get some sleep now. weird though the 1.6 build finished and the image works.... May 25 22:49:25 steliosk: sure, maybe make this a bug item so that we can follow-up. May 25 22:52:02 good nite all May 25 23:39:01 * * OE Bug 377 has been RESOLVED (WONTFIX) by bugs.openembedded.org@rolf.leggewie.biz May 25 23:39:03 * * [Bug 377] Update aircrack to 2.3 and applying hostap May 25 23:39:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=377 May 25 23:44:53 03likewise 07org.oe.dev * r480683c7... 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): sqlite3: Added 3.3.17. May 25 23:47:51 likewise: Did you really add it or upgrade another version? There are already like ten bb files for sqlite. Time for a clean-up IMO May 25 23:49:44 Laibsch: There are three versions for sqlite3 May 25 23:50:14 Laibsch: I do not like to remove the two others ones before mine is tested well enough. Database engines can be anal. May 25 23:50:52 Laibsch: Ah, no, you are right. There are more ...3 bb's... May 25 23:51:02 * * OE Bug 1638 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by bugs.openembedded.org@rolf.leggewie.biz May 25 23:51:04 * * [Bug 1638] updated to tor version 0.1.1.25 May 25 23:51:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1638 May 25 23:52:15 Can I just go ahead and delete older versions on my best insights? I would delete anything but the 3.3.x releases. May 25 23:53:40 likewise: sqlite2 is still used May 25 23:54:57 We should have a class that reports building to a central server, so that we can build statistics on what packages are still in use :-) May 25 23:55:52 iirc GPE pim is still using sqlite2 May 26 00:09:31 Why does FILESPATH+= not work? May 26 00:12:06 no idea May 26 00:13:03 Ah, it adds a space. May 26 00:14:46 we have operators not adding a whitespace as well May 26 00:14:59 FILESPATH_prepend = "${FILE_DIRNAME}/lighttpd:" May 26 00:15:35 does work for the non-patch files, and then the patch files cannot be found?! May 26 00:15:46 they are in the same dir May 26 00:15:55 no idea :) May 26 00:16:44 OK, I'll ask on the mailing list, because this seems to be unclear from the manual, and there are no existing use cases (apparently, for a reason...) May 26 00:20:51 argh May 26 00:21:17 I have been using GtkWidget::window for the last hour, I should have used GtkLayout::bin_window May 26 00:21:34 and the GtkLayout doc even mentions that... May 26 00:26:23 Argh. I should set S correctly. That's where the patches end up... May 26 00:35:39 good nite May 26 00:35:41 nite zecke May 26 00:52:49 finally, I see the scrollbars I want to see. Need to tweak the GtkAdjustment interval now **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 26 02:59:57 2007