**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 01 02:59:58 2007 Jun 01 03:57:46 wow bipolar Jun 01 04:38:49 morning folks Jun 01 04:42:10 hey mickey Jun 01 04:42:22 yo ljp, how's it going= Jun 01 04:42:25 ? Jun 01 04:42:45 ok. and you? Jun 01 04:43:12 this whole hh.org thing has bummed me out Jun 01 04:43:41 pretty good so far. now that the moving is over, things are going to relax a bit *phew* Jun 01 04:43:50 ah yeah, i can understand that. it simply sucks Jun 01 04:43:56 what's the outcome of all this? Jun 01 04:44:12 i really don't understand the motivation behind all that :/ Jun 01 04:44:13 still ongoing.. bipolar is a bit pissed Jun 01 04:44:42 more hh.org moving? Jun 01 04:45:25 hey JPatrin. i was referring to real moving, as in appartement ;) Jun 01 04:45:27 I really don't get what benefit france expects to get from the names. Jun 01 04:45:36 no one does Jun 01 04:45:40 ggilbert: exactly. where's the value Jun 01 04:46:07 What I like is where nelson claims that it's not about hh.o claiming ownership Jun 01 04:46:14 and i really took offense by cc'ing the lawyer when he wrote to me about that #oe ban Jun 01 04:46:24 it's about the original developers wanting to fork their own projects? Jun 01 04:46:25 mickey|ICE: ah....so what's with the hh.org stuff then? he refuses to remove the pages that have moved still? Jun 01 04:46:39 lawyer? #oe ban? ok, I'll just listen Jun 01 04:46:43 I don't want to stir things back up Jun 01 04:47:01 JPatrin: heh. well, please just see planet.linuxtogo.org and read up Jun 01 04:47:14 especially Florian's postings more or less explain everything Jun 01 04:47:18 as much as explaining is possible here Jun 01 04:47:27 JPatrin: short story, hh.o is claiming ownership of several projects. The people who actually started the projects and ran them are upset. Jun 01 04:48:14 ah. I knew that he was refusing to take some things down...I didn't know it had progressed Jun 01 04:48:20 * JPatrin adds the feed Jun 01 04:49:15 * ljp goes home Jun 01 04:53:32 JPatrin: do you know the state of E in OE? Jun 01 04:54:06 mickey|ICE: depends on what you mean....I updated it a while ago but didn't push due to building issues. Jun 01 04:54:28 I've built now and will try testing my new e image in a minute to make sure it works, then push the updates Jun 01 04:55:43 mickey|ICE: On the road already? You are an early bird Jun 01 04:56:11 Can I ask you a short question in a private chat about Alice? Jun 01 04:57:30 sure thing Jun 01 04:57:49 JPatrin: ya, that's what i mean, thanks. Jun 01 04:57:58 i'll look at it hopefully soon again Jun 01 05:00:05 * mickey|ICE believes in E for OM Jun 01 05:05:17 OM? Jun 01 05:05:54 cheers bipolar Jun 01 05:06:01 OpenMoko Jun 01 05:07:57 ah Jun 01 05:08:12 I haven't done/seen anything about OM myself Jun 01 05:08:18 rebooting Z Jun 01 05:14:22 damn it Jun 01 05:14:39 the changes in entrance were quite extensive...and have broken it Jun 01 05:14:44 at least on the Z Jun 01 05:14:49 (or in OE) Jun 01 05:15:54 i only have seen moving in the repository Jun 01 05:16:01 restructuration Jun 01 05:18:15 i need to perform an exhaustive comparative analysis of EWL and Etk pretty soon Jun 01 05:24:41 my patches entrance pretty much all failed patching and I can't find the same code Jun 01 05:25:04 between this and the last release there was a lot of restructuring Jun 01 05:30:39 if all goes well, I'm going to meet raster within the next two weeks Jun 01 05:32:08 oooo, cool Jun 01 05:34:04 ya, can't wait Jun 01 05:43:19 well, entranced isn't working....entrance can start after I start X, but I can't login...ah yes, I may know what it is Jun 01 05:51:17 ugh...I have no idea Jun 01 05:53:29 heh Jun 01 05:54:37 the auth mode was what did it before Jun 01 05:54:42 that's not it this time...I think... Jun 01 05:56:17 no idea what's causing the login nott o work Jun 01 06:02:43 ah hmmm...packaging mistake perhaps....new binary Jun 01 06:38:55 Hello, yet, I'm just trying to make an unmodified Linux kernel to boot on an omap5912osk board. Everything compiles fines and I get an vmlinux-2.6.20-omap1-omap5912osk-20070529073941.bin which I try to boot with u-boot. It does not work and hang during decompresion http://rafb.net/p/QCmavu28.html. I thought that I should modifiy the KERNEL_IMAGETYPE in "linux-omap1.inc" from "vmlinux" to "uBoot", but that is not enought to make the uBoot target when Jun 01 06:38:55 compiling the kernel. Jun 01 06:41:54 sorry, don't knoe Jun 01 06:48:55 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r73c801b3... 10/ (1 packages/perl/libxml-parser-perl-native_2.34.bb): (log message trimmed) Jun 01 06:48:55 libxml-parser-perl-native: Remove uneeded entries: Jun 01 06:48:55 * DEPENDS on perl-native isn't needed since cpan.bbclass adds this. Jun 01 06:48:55 * DEPENDS on expat-native isn't needed since libxml-parser-perl adds this. Jun 01 06:48:56 * RDEPENDS on perl-native was only here to prevent an RDEPENDS on perl. The Jun 01 06:48:57 RDEPENDS was being added by cpan.bbclass, but that has now been fixed to Jun 01 06:49:01 not add it for native packages. This needed to be removed so that perl Jun 01 06:51:43 ugh....I don't know why any of this is failing...now my image is respawning the login over and over Jun 01 06:51:56 just going to push and see what happens Jun 01 06:56:53 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * r48538c8e... 10/ (62 files in 5 dirs): efl, e17: update to latest versions, entrance has been heavily patched and seems to have some issues so I left the old version as the default Jun 01 06:57:10 yay Jun 01 06:57:20 tmbinc: ping Jun 01 06:57:33 good luck....unfortunately none of my images actually booted into e :-( Jun 01 06:57:50 if you could test and let me know I'd appreciate feedback on what might be wrong Jun 01 06:58:06 heh, i will have a try when i'm back in FFM Jun 01 06:58:07 i need to unpack my PDAs first Jun 01 06:58:07 they're still in the moving boxes Jun 01 06:58:19 hey mickey|ICE Jun 01 06:58:29 heya koen Jun 01 06:58:42 openmoko and openezx talks have been accepted to mdd07 Jun 01 06:58:49 means we're definitely there Jun 01 06:59:00 mickey|ICE: raster is a cool guy, I think you'll like him :) Jun 01 06:59:44 off to bed Jun 01 07:00:30 yeah, that should be an interesting meeting. at least we speak the same language :) Jun 01 07:01:45 having zack rusin and raster together in brazil was amazing Jun 01 07:02:02 mmh *envy* Jun 01 07:02:09 they amplified each others craziness :) Jun 01 07:02:16 hehe Jun 01 07:08:01 hmm... btw. i wonder what became out of fbui Jun 01 07:08:15 the in-kernel minimal toolkit Jun 01 07:08:16 the webpage is still the same Jun 01 07:08:20 bummer Jun 01 07:08:26 "OMG NOT BLOAT!!!!" Jun 01 07:08:33 i thought it would be cool for some things Jun 01 07:08:34 bootmanager and stuff Jun 01 07:11:39 i have yet to test how EFL performs on the Neo, btw. Jun 01 07:11:43 did you have a chance to test that? Jun 01 07:12:20 not yet Jun 01 07:12:56 the neo is on my blacklist since openmoko employees accused OE developers of sabotaging their svn repo Jun 01 07:13:44 huh? Jun 01 07:14:00 i must have missed that Jun 01 07:14:10 'roh' has been spreading FUD about OE on irc a lot Jun 01 07:15:12 fun :/ Jun 01 07:15:12 sounds like i need to have a word with him Jun 01 07:15:12 meet him on sunday Jun 01 07:15:13 he must not do that Jun 01 07:16:12 anyway, when I'm in .tw I'm going to do another merge which will hopefully include fixing the dpi issue Jun 01 07:16:59 could you _please_ drop any overlap that isn't needed? Jun 01 07:17:28 certain things are different in svn, so those need to stay in place, but approx 90% of the overlay is already in OE Jun 01 07:18:04 do you recall on which day that happened? i'd like to read the backlog Jun 01 07:18:26 2 weeks ago or so Jun 01 07:18:58 he wouldn't accept that we couldn't influence svn since openmoko uses a fixed revision Jun 01 07:19:49 of course Jun 01 07:19:59 i just need a couple of days where i can focus on that Jun 01 07:19:59 i have been too distracted by side things lately Jun 01 07:20:29 and lately there have been people asking to hire OE developers :) Jun 01 07:20:34 (something completely different) Jun 01 07:20:45 heh. bear with him, I'm afraid he doesn't fully understand OE yet Jun 01 07:21:05 cool news Jun 01 07:21:18 can't wait to have that 2nd OEDEM Jun 01 07:21:26 bummer that it's still a bit away Jun 01 07:21:37 we can have a mini one at guadec Jun 01 07:21:42 ah yeah Jun 01 07:21:51 you will be there, me Jun 01 07:21:57 hrw|gone: did you decide yet on guadec? Jun 01 07:21:57 RP, hrw Jun 01 07:22:06 excellent Jun 01 07:22:32 did you read oe-private lately? Jun 01 07:23:22 I'm thinking of sending a mail to lots of embedded vendors asking for hardware Jun 01 07:23:51 i might be able to convince zecke to join me Jun 01 07:23:51 lets see Jun 01 07:23:52 most of it, yeah Jun 01 07:23:53 i'm going to have a word with KC in Berlin about decentralizing OE Jun 01 07:23:53 ltg can't cope with all our services Jun 01 07:24:15 right Jun 01 07:24:35 moving mtn to its own server would help Jun 01 07:24:47 behind a round-robin DNS Jun 01 07:25:07 good idea Jun 01 07:25:09 boy, i am sooo tired *sigh* Jun 01 07:25:09 * mickey|ICE too old for getting up @ 05:00 Jun 01 07:25:09 or rather... not old enough yet ;) Jun 01 07:26:02 I had the same feeling on tuesday when I got up at 6 to drive my parents to dusseldorf airport Jun 01 07:26:15 oh Düsseldorf Jun 01 07:26:20 did you have a chance to walk around? Jun 01 07:26:44 no, I had to get back in time Jun 01 07:26:58 I did have a chance to see some b roads :) Jun 01 07:27:20 hehe Jun 01 07:41:18 and the ICE enters another tunnel :) Jun 01 07:43:14 koen: For that roh stuff, check around 12 in the irclogs for May 14th Jun 01 07:43:55 zecke informed me that his former employers think he's a complete idiot as well :) Jun 01 07:45:11 I don't know him enough to say anything, besides that he doesn't seem very cooperative Jun 01 07:45:41 And that he's definitely wrong in that case Jun 01 07:46:30 he can only be right if we cracked sha1 :) Jun 01 07:46:41 Hehe Jun 01 07:53:55 RP: see http://www.openembedded.org/user-manual&dpage=commonuse_prebuilt_toolchain :) Jun 01 07:54:27 morning Jun 01 07:55:19 hey XorA Jun 01 07:56:14 * koen wonders how well a gcc 4.2.0/glibc 2.6 image would run Jun 01 08:12:14 hi all Jun 01 08:13:19 hey steliosk Jun 01 08:13:49 RP : 1.6 works fine. For some reason it does not halt when running oldconfig. I think it does not *actually* run it or somehow automagically accepts/answers the question oldconfig asks Jun 01 08:14:36 RP : 1.8 halt at oldconfig waiting for user input Jun 01 08:15:54 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r71140d90... 10/ (10 files in 3 dirs): gcc: remove stale 4.2.0 snapshot Jun 01 08:17:59 i am without sleep for the last 26 hours.... caffeine to red cell ratio in the blood should be about equal... Jun 01 08:31:13 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r4a074bcf... 10/ (1 packages/gcc/gcc-cross-sdk_4.2.0.bb): gcc-cross-sdk: add 4.2.0 Jun 01 08:35:21 morning Jun 01 08:37:11 hey hrw Jun 01 09:04:28 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r9a8f9c41... 10/ (1 packages/libfakekey/libfakekey_svn.bb): libfakey: tweaks Jun 01 09:04:33 03koen 07org.oe.dev * re280d0c6... 10/ (1 packages/curl/curl_7.15.1.bb): curl: turn on tls support Jun 01 09:48:44 http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-June/002229.html :D Jun 01 09:49:18 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0ad18709... 10/ (1 contrib/mtn2cl contrib/mtn2cl/mtn2cl.sh mtn:execute true): contrib/mtn2cl: add quick & dirty script to generate a changelog Jun 01 10:03:30 That's one item less on my TODO for OE releases Jun 01 10:10:20 koen: that just shows Ive been too busy with other junk this month :-( Jun 01 10:11:32 koen, is glibc-2.6 marked def_pref = -1? Jun 01 10:12:13 the changelog is a way for koan to show off :) Jun 01 10:24:27 Crofton|home: If I wanted to show off, I would have removed the "crap, last commit had a typo" ones ;) Jun 01 10:24:45 heh Jun 01 10:25:10 that's like 75% of my commits, repairing my earlier fuck ups Jun 01 10:25:16 I have been thinking about putting our commit logs online and encouraging peoples advicors to see how much real work some guys do Jun 01 10:25:20 yeah Jun 01 10:25:53 commit logs can be misleading Jun 01 10:26:01 after that Ti Course yesterday I have decided to try mv's eclipse tool to build a root filesystem. Jun 01 10:26:01 Its great, you can select the packages, files etc, output fileimage format etc. but can you find a button to make it actually do it?! The answer is Noo! Jun 01 10:26:06 you can't see if it's a on-liner or 100kLOCs Jun 01 10:26:10 not when there are no commits from some guys :) Jun 01 10:26:54 followed by, I'm at work, I ahve to use tools we paid 1000's of pounds for :) Jun 01 10:28:06 Crofton: That's brilliant! Provide an interface to select all the options.. then don't let the user carry out the actions. It'll save me thousands of lines of code! ;) Jun 01 10:28:36 Now, time to patent that technique ;) Jun 01 10:29:15 http://www.palminfocenter.com/images/foleo-live-13-S.jpg Jun 01 10:29:18 2.4.21... Jun 01 10:29:22 * koen cries Jun 01 10:29:42 mickey|zzZzzz: i'm here later again Jun 01 10:32:57 koen: fresh kernel Jun 01 10:33:03 latest one even Jun 01 10:45:49 Hello Jun 01 10:46:01 wget 1.9.1 is broken Jun 01 10:46:27 file a bug report Jun 01 10:46:36 It seems that, by enabling ipv6, ipv4 is disabled, thus having wget attempting only ipv6 connections Jun 01 10:46:54 I found a patch, and I'm trying it out Jun 01 10:48:25 Eh, but wget 1.10 has come out that fixes this issue Jun 01 10:48:35 I'll just check if 1.10 builds Jun 01 11:10:41 sweet, atmel has a gcc 4.1.2 avr32 toolchain Jun 01 11:10:54 * koen attempts to extract patch Jun 01 11:18:04 * hrw plays with neo Jun 01 11:27:02 * * OE Bug 1673 has been RESOLVED (INVALID) by polyonymous@klever.net Jun 01 11:27:04 * *  busybox sh not utf-8 safe Jun 01 11:27:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1673 Jun 01 11:34:19 hi Jun 01 11:34:49 how can i build angstrom using uclibc and oabi ? Jun 01 11:38:07 use my patches from bugtracker for simpad Jun 01 11:38:45 but the local.conf is at home Jun 01 11:39:02 so bye now Jun 01 11:40:08 sandworm: DISTRO="angstrom-2007.1-oabi" ANGSTROM_MODE = "uclibc" Jun 01 11:40:24 thanks hrw Jun 01 11:40:31 np Jun 01 11:40:49 so I am now going to mickeyls talk Jun 01 11:41:06 does rmk1-pxa1-intc2 mean the Foleo has an XScale Bulvedere in it? Jun 01 11:41:27 nick cbrake Jun 01 11:42:04 hrw: DISTRO="angstrom-2007.1-oabi" forces glibc Jun 01 11:42:04 rwhitby: I don't know, maybe they reused the pxa1 patch for another cpu Jun 01 11:42:14 rwhitby: but it seems likely Jun 01 11:42:29 I can't believe they are still using 2.4 Jun 01 11:43:01 koen: have you ever heard of a vendor reusing a patch for a different CPU? "that's not in the development kit provided by the reference board vendor ..." Jun 01 11:44:30 rwhitby: sadly I have :( Jun 01 11:45:04 unsurprisingly the product didn't make it to the market Jun 01 11:45:10 but sure the 2.4 shows that no thought has been applied to the kernel at all Jun 01 11:45:18 s/sure/surely/ Jun 01 11:47:17 * koen reads http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/UsingPidginMonotone Jun 01 12:12:47 * koen hates editing patches Jun 01 12:12:57 hey vivijim Jun 01 12:13:22 hi koen Jun 01 12:13:49 Hey man, I'm getting crazy... Jun 01 12:14:33 vivijim: it looks like the problem florian had, RP had a patch for it iirc Jun 01 12:14:52 something to force do_package_write to run when building tasks Jun 01 12:15:03 when I use bitbake bash it calls every function including do_package_write but when I use bitbake task-mamona it call do_package but not do_package_write... Jun 01 12:15:25 koen uhm interesting... Jun 01 12:15:35 where can I find this patch? Jun 01 12:17:46 I don't know :( Jun 01 12:25:00 :( I'll try to find or wait for florian or RP ... Jun 01 12:25:09 koen: what tools do you use for mtn merges? Jun 01 12:25:12 thanks koen Jun 01 12:25:36 keesj: FileMerge.app on osx Jun 01 12:25:41 or meld Jun 01 12:25:48 keesj: kdiff3 here Jun 01 12:25:51 I'm too stupid for kdiff3 and vimdiff Jun 01 12:26:02 kdiff3 is easy Jun 01 12:26:11 vimdiff is more complicated Jun 01 12:26:13 emacs suxx Jun 01 12:27:10 when is 2.6.22 due? Jun 01 12:27:25 last year Jun 01 12:29:52 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ref774c8b... 10/ (1 contrib/mtn2cl/mtn2cl.sh): mtn2cl: replace --to with --last Jun 01 12:30:01 03polyonymous 07org.oe.dev * r1d9935b3... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): opie-init: better tracking of certain processed PIDs for cleaner startup/shutdown. Jun 01 12:30:07 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r90709d1f... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Jun 01 12:30:07 gcc 4.0.2: add avr32 support Jun 01 12:30:07 * the patch is based on the 0.99.2 release from atmel, with hunks that overlap with uclibc-locale.patch removed Jun 01 12:31:55 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r786f1966... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom 2007.1: add avr32 support Jun 01 12:34:19 +- | avr-* \ Jun 01 12:34:19 +- | bfin-* | bs2000-* \ Jun 01 12:34:20 ++ | avr-* | avr32-* \ Jun 01 12:34:20 ++ | bs2000-* \ Jun 01 12:34:33 it seems atmel doesn't like natsemi Jun 01 12:38:44 ;) Jun 01 12:38:53 koen: no 4.1.2 support yet? Jun 01 12:39:10 hrw: yes, but only a complete gcc 4.1.2 tree Jun 01 12:39:29 and their patchset includes uclibc-locale.patch and others Jun 01 12:39:38 I asked them for their quilt tree Jun 01 12:39:41 uuuu Jun 01 12:42:48 *2.4.21* on the foleo??!! ... ... ..... Jun 01 12:42:59 * mwester doesn't even know what to say... Jun 01 12:43:46 And 128MB of storage. Jun 01 12:43:59 I know how to call the angstrom release for the foleo: "Folie a deux" Jun 01 12:44:51 "Folie de trio" Jun 01 12:51:43 hmmm Jun 01 12:52:03 the avr32 binutils patch doesn't like TARGET_VENDOR it seems Jun 01 12:55:33 mwester foleo looks like a waste of space anyway, but we should be able to buy it in bargin bins soon after release :-D Jun 01 12:56:04 This one might put Palm (the entire company) in the bargain bin! Jun 01 12:57:45 mwester: palm is just a fork bomb anyway :-) Jun 01 13:25:25 XorA: do you have any experience with flashing the freescale board? spent the whole day today but could not get reboot up there.. do you know if its even possible with the "realview ice - micro edition"? tried multi-ice as well.. Jun 01 13:25:37 s/reboot/redboot/ Jun 01 13:28:30 koen: do you have one of those AVR32 boards? Jun 01 13:28:42 schurig: will have soon Jun 01 13:28:42 koen: I heard that they are as low as 69 EUR Jun 01 13:28:46 schurig: not yet Jun 01 13:28:55 $69 even Jun 01 13:29:08 hrw: BTW, I have time again to work on the Marvell CF card Jun 01 13:29:37 schurig: do not remind me about it... I lack time for it Jun 01 13:29:56 schurig: the http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/tools_card.asp?family_id=682&family_name=AVR32+32%2Dbit+MCU%2FDSP&tool_id=4102 is $69 Jun 01 13:30:08 schurig: the http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/tools_card.asp?family_id=682&family_name=AVR32+32%2Dbit+MCU%2FDSP&tool_id=3918 is $499 Jun 01 13:32:34 koen: compare the openness of AVR to the closedness of Marvell (holder of all secrets for Marvell WLAN chips and now even for the PXAs ...) Jun 01 13:32:54 vivijim: What exactly is the problem you're seeing? Jun 01 13:33:32 AVR is atmel only platform? Jun 01 13:33:50 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rd64ffa37... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): binutils 2.17: add an extra avr32 patch for config.sub Jun 01 13:34:34 Jin^eLD: you dont flash with realview, you transfer the redboot image, run it, then issue a command in redboot and is flashes itself Jun 01 13:34:55 vivijim: I think your problem is wrong expectations ot task-mamona. A task package's sole purpose is to build a set of packages with appropriate dependencies Jun 01 13:35:17 vivijim: What you're thinking of would be meta-mamona and there is a .bbclass for that Jun 01 13:35:28 XorA: well, I got stuck in making RVDS understand what an ARM11 processor is Jun 01 13:35:44 tried following the documents that were supplied in the Freescale linux distro along with redboot Jun 01 13:36:04 but no chance.. so I was wondering if my ICE hardware was capable of dealing withth at all Jun 01 13:36:40 Hi RP, Yes, I'm noticing this right now.... I've read a log of a conversation between you and florian some months ago Jun 01 13:38:10 RP: when using bitbake1.6 it was working, but when using 1.8 it is not working how I was expecting... I'm checking this meta packages and I'll try to write a meta-mamona Jun 01 13:38:14 wow, OE is already at gcc 4.2.0 / glibc 2.6 ... Jun 01 13:38:32 schurig: and uclibc 0.9.29 Jun 01 13:38:42 vivijim: bitbake 1.6 and bitbake 1.8 work differently Jun 01 13:38:45 hrw: I've never used uclibc Jun 01 13:38:54 schurig: so do I but we have latest one Jun 01 13:39:15 hrw: and, is this new gcc/glibc stable for ARM? Jun 01 13:39:34 schurig: OE makes uculic rather easy to try as its working rather well now... Jun 01 13:40:23 schurig: ask koen Jun 01 13:40:33 vivijim: I've replied to your email for the archives too Jun 01 13:40:34 is config.sub regenerated by OE? Jun 01 13:41:00 RP yes, I've noticed... But in some point the 1.6 stopped to work the way I was expecting too... Then I've changed to 1.8 trying to fix this... Thanks for your help... I'll try to do this meta-mamona right now Jun 01 13:41:05 RP ok ;) Jun 01 13:44:03 * * OE Bug 2408 has been created by sokoowpwr@o2.pl Jun 01 13:44:05 * * Amsdelta distro config file error Jun 01 13:44:07 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2408 Jun 01 13:49:41 Hi and goodbye everyone. I'm on my way to work and will log back in from there. :) Jun 01 13:51:11 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r993e87ea... 10/ (1 packages/binutils/binutils_2.17.bb): binutils 2.17: patching config.sub is useless, so don't don't do it Jun 01 13:52:03 * * OE Bug 2408 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by openembedded@hrw.one.pl Jun 01 13:52:05 * *  Amsdelta distro config file error Jun 01 13:52:07 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2408 Jun 01 13:54:03 03koen 07org.oe.dev * reaf3a51c... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Jun 01 13:54:03 gnu-config: add avr32 support Jun 01 13:54:03 * this avoids having to fix all autofoo based packages and their config.sub Jun 01 13:55:16 koen: looks like you will get board and reflash it before first boot ;) Jun 01 13:55:39 :) Jun 01 14:01:42 http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/fun-with-vendor-patches Jun 01 14:01:50 I saw that D: Jun 01 14:02:51 03Karol 07org.oe.dev * rd3fa7065... 10/ (1 conf/distro/amsdelta-oe.conf): amsdelta-oe: fix typo - close #2408 Jun 01 14:03:58 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rc8e2ca01... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): task-base/pcmcia-cs: moved hostap-conf/orinoco-conf to RDEPENDS of pcmcia-cs package as pcmciautils does not need that Jun 01 14:12:54 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r4eb9d3b0... 10/ (1 packages/linux-libc-headers/linux-libc-headers_2.6.20.bb): linux-libc-headers 2.6.20: add avr32 support Jun 01 14:14:04 hrw: do you still have the link to the elf header OSABI file? Jun 01 14:25:01 koen: ? Jun 01 14:25:03 * * OE Bug 2409 has been created by ba1020@homie.homelinux.net Jun 01 14:25:05 * * i need pcmcia-cs to get my billionton cf lan card to work Jun 01 14:25:07 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2409 Jun 01 14:25:48 hrw: iirc you had some header file showing all the architecture numbers to use in insane.bblcass Jun 01 14:26:10 ah.. I do not remember where I found it Jun 01 14:26:13 it was googled Jun 01 14:27:03 * koen puts in a bogus value and waits for insane to report the correct value Jun 01 14:27:29 hmmm Jun 01 14:27:37 I should document all this Jun 01 14:28:09 :-D Jun 01 14:28:32 or not and wait for companies in sunny places to invite me over Jun 01 14:29:50 * mwester snorts -- he ends up on trips to Minnesota in February, and Houston in August. :( Jun 01 14:42:39 Hello again everyone Jun 01 14:43:23 gm Jun 01 14:46:56 koen: but if you have avr32 binary then you should be able to check it Jun 01 14:49:42 hrw: sadly the check is in pythin in insane.bbclass :( Jun 01 14:54:23 ugh... george... wtf Jun 01 14:55:11 bipolar: isn't he a great guy? Jun 01 14:55:40 url? Jun 01 14:56:12 I'm trying my best to stay neutral, and try to think of the best of all people. Jun 01 14:56:15 I'm tempted to say 'goatse.cx' Jun 01 14:56:31 koen: pipe that though tinyurl :) Jun 01 14:56:59 it's safe nowadays :) Jun 01 14:57:09 haha Jun 01 14:57:45 cbrake: ping Jun 01 14:58:01 hello all Jun 01 14:58:05 hey likewise Jun 01 14:58:12 hi likewise Jun 01 14:58:18 greetings likewise Jun 01 14:58:29 hi koen, Jin^eLD, bipolar et al Jun 01 14:59:16 likewise, you been playing with efika lately? Jun 01 14:59:45 Crofton: yes Jun 01 14:59:55 crofton: and hi Jun 01 14:59:58 hi Jun 01 15:00:08 I copied the Angstrom image to CF drive Jun 01 15:00:14 and I can boot kernel Jun 01 15:00:29 but if I add root=/dev/sdc1 or somthing, the boot hangs Jun 01 15:00:39 I think I am doing something really dumb Jun 01 15:00:50 is efika ide libata based? Jun 01 15:01:04 not sure Jun 01 15:01:44 hmm, not using the CF to boot from yet here. I can try though... Jun 01 15:06:00 likewise: what did you do? There's zillion traffic jams around eindhoven ;) Jun 01 15:06:20 likewise: hello Jun 01 15:06:56 koen: I passed through traffic with the HD encoder in my car. Everyone was baffled, that's why. Jun 01 15:07:22 cbrake: a bit busy here, but I wonder if we could have a chat? Jun 01 15:07:57 likewise: same here :-). Sure. Jun 01 15:20:47 Crofton: <6>ata: MPC52xx IDE/ATA libata driver Jun 01 15:21:14 Crofton: I'll deploy a ext2 on the cf here and try to boot from it Jun 01 15:27:26 "avr32": (6317, 0, 0, False, True), Jun 01 15:30:40 196K avr32/uclibc_0.9.28-r9_avr32.ipk :D Jun 01 15:30:53 * koen does a little dance Jun 01 15:30:57 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r1f4e0f88... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): gcc 4.0.2: remove hunk that patches version.c Jun 01 15:31:01 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r96ff31e5... 10/ (1 classes/insane.bbclass): insane.bbclass: add avr32 support Jun 01 15:31:58 koen: cool Jun 01 15:36:41 koen: nice Jun 01 15:36:51 likewise, I am at work now and the board is at home Jun 01 15:47:22 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r9f671f6c... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux: add defconfig for at32stk1000 Jun 01 15:48:07 time for food Jun 01 15:48:20 http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/06/01/goodbye-handheldsorg/ Jun 01 15:49:48 hrw: yeah. can't blame anyone for leaving at this point Jun 01 15:50:36 hrw: I'm going to try to start a new project to cover the ground that opie did. Jun 01 15:51:54 hi koen. Jun 01 15:52:02 hi likewise. Jun 01 15:53:15 Crofton: embedded boards are always on the wrong site Jun 01 15:58:14 bipolar: for me the only hh.org projects which were hh.org are: linux-hh, and maybe their bootloaders Jun 01 15:58:29 bipolar: ah.. and obsolete familiar Jun 01 16:02:10 hrw: yeah. Jun 01 16:12:50 cool... libkde, libpimkde, kdebase, w/ qtopia-core all fit in 44MB of space when stripped. and thats with no optimization at all. Jun 01 16:14:29 well, the libs from those packages do, anyway :P Jun 01 16:15:25 koen: that avr32 patch to gcc can be much smaller Jun 01 16:15:47 many things can be dropped from it (pictures, generated configure files etc) Jun 01 16:15:52 * hrw goes to packing Jun 01 16:15:54 cu all Jun 01 16:16:17 hrw|gone: bye Jun 01 16:25:14 likewise, ping Jun 01 16:25:30 arrgh Jun 01 16:25:44 no working serial port here Jun 01 16:25:55 Crofton|home: pong, my first boot attempt gives me: Jun 01 16:26:14 http://www.pastebin.ca/528540 Jun 01 16:26:32 wow, greatly enhanced pastebin Jun 01 16:26:33 I came home for lunch, but my working serial config is at work Jun 01 16:26:36 yeah Jun 01 16:26:58 Crofton|home: the working serial config is always at the wrong site :-) Jun 01 16:28:28 yeah Jun 01 16:31:25 likewise, what is the boot comman line Jun 01 16:31:44 brb Jun 01 16:32:08 Crofton: root=/dev/sda1 console=ttyPSC0,115200n8 Jun 01 16:32:48 hmm Jun 01 16:32:54 I left off the console bit Jun 01 16:33:18 ok Jun 01 16:33:33 hopefully enough clues for me when I get a serial port working Jun 01 16:36:00 me, I probably don't have ext2 compiled in Jun 01 16:36:15 heh Jun 01 16:37:01 hmm, is compiled in. Jun 01 16:45:32 only a US headline, Rice insists Cheney supports diplomacy for Iran Jun 01 16:45:58 for you foreign sorts, when you hear "Dick Cheney" think the Penguin from batman movies :) Jun 01 16:46:17 Crofton|home: Oh yeah, we know him. Too much tv exposure. Jun 01 16:46:35 * Crofton|home is annoyed at having 3 PC's and not finding a working serial report Jun 01 16:46:46 really? Cheney? They hide him here Jun 01 16:46:53 used to speaking to the "base" Jun 01 16:49:06 Crofton|home: sure that's a PC serial port issue? You'll need a null-modem serial cable, btw Jun 01 16:49:28 same cable works on my laptop Jun 01 16:49:44 and on the usb dongle I used with newer computert :( Jun 01 16:49:54 * mwester recalls the time his employer sent an engineer across the US to a customer site to debug a blue-screen problem with the Windows kernel debugger -- and equipped same engineer with a laptop that had no firewire nor serial port. Oops. Jun 01 16:53:21 didn't the engineer check before leaving? Jun 01 16:53:43 Crofton|home: this is just hilarious: this is the fix the kernel command line needed: http://kerneltrap.org/node/4746 Jun 01 16:53:59 just type garbage before the second kernel argument Jun 01 16:54:47 intriguing Jun 01 16:55:10 Crofton|home: /dev/root on / type ext2 (rw) Jun 01 16:56:15 I am going to take the efika over to school where my laptop is Jun 01 16:56:16 Crofton|home: Ah, the first argument is probably eaten by the boot loader (CHRP). I catted the Angstrom console image ext2 image to /dev/sda1 and this works. Jun 01 16:57:01 good luck. I'm stuck with some uclibc problems still (linker relocation stuff, but only on ppc). Jun 01 16:58:20 so many problems, so little time Jun 01 17:04:44 does anyone know a co-op editor for Linux (multiple people editing the same document live over TCP/IP) Jun 01 17:06:02 hi all Jun 01 17:16:28 likewise: http://www.writeboard.com/ Jun 01 17:21:49 likewise, OK I boot, I mount root, then die with no init Jun 01 17:22:43 likewise: the 15min call to .nl only cost me $0.30 -- I really like Asterisk and VoIP! Jun 01 17:25:03 interesting, my filesystem really doesn't have init Jun 01 17:31:27 hmm bootstrap-image for efika is missing some stuff? What is up? Jun 01 17:32:33 * Crofton curses the .eu crowd having fun on Friday night already Jun 01 18:12:05 cbrake: thanks, I just found http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/ Jun 01 18:13:15 cbrake: ah, ok , I also have a VOIP SIP account in place with voipbuster.com, that would have been $0.00 probably. Jun 01 18:14:34 likewise: neat Jun 01 18:15:20 cbrake: yes, it seems multi platform. Jun 01 18:16:31 cbrake: I meant true real-time live co-op editing, I think the web based systems are only shared access. Jun 01 18:16:55 cbrake: but of course, these days, it's hard to know what's there on 'web 2.0' Jun 01 18:18:41 likewise: I think w/ writeboard, anyone can make changes live and they show up instantly Jun 01 18:19:01 cbrake: OK, will try that as well. I have a gobby session running at likewise.dyndns.org:6522 if you care to try. Jun 01 18:19:01 likewise: the gobby stuff definitely looks neat Jun 01 18:19:18 likewise: sure, I'll try it ... Jun 01 18:19:37 cbrake: could be helpful for OE as well, instead of pastebin. Jun 01 18:19:43 likewise: definitely Jun 01 18:20:17 likewise: you could use screen w/ vi/emacs/nano.... :) Jun 01 18:20:35 bipolar: is screen multi-user? Jun 01 18:20:37 bipolar: yeah, that is what I usually do Jun 01 18:20:43 likewise: yes Jun 01 18:20:51 likewise: so that covers any console app Jun 01 18:21:05 oh, that's a feature of screen I missed out on then :-) Jun 01 18:21:16 likewise: not everyone knows about it :) Jun 01 18:21:21 bipolar: but only one person can have control at once. A try multi-edtior app would theoretically allow two people to modify different parts of the same doc at the same time. Jun 01 18:21:23 until they need it. :) Jun 01 18:21:30 bipolar: scary ... Jun 01 18:21:57 cbrake: oh... I thought thats what was needed... one person making a change at a time, with everyone seeing it. Jun 01 18:22:07 likewise: yeah, screen is indispensible for tech support and troubleshooting problems on customers computers, or target systems. Jun 01 18:22:25 cbrake: setup svn. :D Jun 01 18:22:42 bipolar: use that too, but not real time :-) Jun 01 18:22:50 heh Jun 01 18:24:19 likewise: OK, I highly recommend gobby after trying it for 3 seconds :-) Jun 01 18:24:32 me too :-) Jun 01 18:24:47 likewise: it is definitely multi-user! Jun 01 18:25:38 cbrake: I once heard about something like this existing on Apple OSX (HydraEdit) so I thought this should be there for Linux as well by now. And yes, multiple solutions exists, gobby looks nicest. Jun 01 18:26:25 but that's only after a [20:25] - [19:04] = 1:21h investigation time :-) Jun 01 18:26:38 likewise: :-) Jun 01 18:26:38 and 10 seconds of typing Jun 01 18:27:06 Crofton: bootstrap-image gives me a /sbin/init in rootfs/ Jun 01 18:27:30 Crofton: my checkout is a few days old though Jun 01 18:29:17 I pulled and am rebuildling Jun 01 18:29:26 oops done Jun 01 18:30:38 hmm bin/init has disappeared from Angstrom-bootstrap-image Jun 01 18:30:43 cbrake: Google for "jupiter algorithm" Jun 01 18:30:52 same result for build dated May 29 Jun 01 18:30:53 Crofton: I built minus the Angstrom- prefix Jun 01 18:31:08 smae here, but image is called Angstrom .... Jun 01 18:31:59 Crofton: my revision is 3d4a85aa2c2724b95dcfd705b2078392bd5fe7fa Jun 01 18:32:06 hmm, didn't rebuild task-base Jun 01 18:32:31 likewise: stuff works better when there is a real algorithm behind it! Jun 01 18:33:41 cbrake: yes, this real-time collab stuff is subject to some neat research, resulting in some fancy 2d algorithm. Java implementation here: http://ace.iserver.ch/api/ch/iserver/ace/algorithm/jupiter/Jupiter.html Jun 01 18:35:29 cbrake: sorry, I did not see any highlighting, but you could retry, was on a different desktop. Jun 01 18:35:47 likewise: just highlighted ... Jun 01 18:36:10 cbrake: I'll chat in the gobby chat window Jun 01 18:36:50 rm -rf tmp Jun 01 18:37:00 bitbake boostrap-image .... Jun 01 18:37:59 Crofton: I found that some packages configure themselves NOT by looking at the ./configure --with-stuff, but by looking what headers/libs are available in staging (or even worse, host). That makes OE undeterministic as well. Jun 01 18:38:39 Maybe a package had a bad day, and the fix didn't bump PR Jun 01 18:41:07 Crofton: I am more and more seeing the sense of packaged staging, so that the staging area can be restaged from the builds. Jun 01 18:41:17 yeah Jun 01 19:28:59 now what, do we have to drop opie or wait for it to reappear under different pseudonym elsewhere? Jun 01 19:31:37 polyonymous: did anything happen to opie? (beside this trademark thing) Jun 01 19:32:10 thesing, well, they're in deep freeze for ages and now with this trademark things they're not likely to get back anytime soon, I think. Jun 01 19:32:23 it's demotivating, isn't it? Jun 01 19:32:43 * chouimat will simply use qtopia 4 instead :) Jun 01 19:33:45 we should try to add qtopia 4 to OE Jun 01 19:34:00 I think there was a .bb, but I haven't tried it yet. Jun 01 19:35:01 and yes, thesing, what happened to opie is hrw resignation. Jun 01 19:37:36 Did hrw still work on opie? Jun 01 19:37:55 thesing, I don't think anyone did. Jun 01 19:38:55 two developers have made patches, mainly to bluetooth Jun 01 19:38:56 Actually, it's all about demotivation. I was going to tackle opie/oe/bluetooth issues today and now I just can't force myself into doing it... Jun 01 19:39:29 ljp, right, I was exaggerating, but only slightly. Jun 01 19:39:34 zecke and are are planning on getting qtopia 4 into oe, but I need to free up some time Jun 01 19:40:12 ljp, count me in. As the time permits, of course. Jun 01 19:40:13 at work that is, as I have no time at home really anymore Jun 01 19:40:40 must be nice to be able to do this at work :) Jun 01 19:41:06 I'm quite willing to run my Z with all the bleeding edge stuff on it, once it is barely usable. Jun 01 19:41:28 there is actually an qtopia-core-4.2.bb in OE. I'm trying to build it. Jun 01 19:41:45 thesing, Would it break staging for opie? Jun 01 19:42:04 thesing, I would build it right away if I don't have to have separate tmp/ Jun 01 19:42:11 Otherwise I'd postpone it a bit. Jun 01 19:42:46 I have no idea. I just try ;) Jun 01 19:43:14 ok :) Jun 01 19:43:25 Well, of course I can rm -rf it then and rebuild :) Jun 01 19:44:08 ljp: ahh.... you're here :) Jun 01 19:44:31 hmm... can one restore staging by removing staging stamps and staging directory, I wonder? Jun 01 19:44:47 polyonymous: wondering about opie, eh? Jun 01 19:44:56 bipolar, yup. Jun 01 19:45:07 I don't see gpe as a viable alternative yet. Jun 01 19:45:13 polyonymous: I see a diffrent name in it's future.... Jun 01 19:45:22 bipolar, so do I. Jun 01 19:45:35 But it will take a while, I think. Jun 01 19:46:03 I don't really understand what does George Frances guy gain from this, except for a bit of extra publicity... Jun 01 19:46:12 polyonymous: built on qtopia-core 4.3 Jun 01 19:46:26 on the phone w/ george right now Jun 01 19:46:37 he called me Jun 01 19:46:38 bipolar, have fun... Jun 01 19:47:04 tell him you are going to counter sue Jun 01 19:47:38 Crofton, that won't get anyone anywhere... Jun 01 19:48:02 no sueing me Jun 01 19:48:15 my sister is a lawyer:) Jun 01 19:48:38 unfortunately she does environmental law Jun 01 19:48:39 Crofton, never wrestle with a pig - you both get dirty, but the pig likes it. Jun 01 19:48:44 :) Jun 01 19:48:51 I used to have that T-shirt Jun 01 19:49:11 Crofton, that's the bad part of having it on T-shirt - everyone reads it but you :) Jun 01 19:49:25 polyonymous: the qtopie package fails to build Jun 01 19:49:47 thesing, that may well be fixable. Jun 01 19:50:04 is 4.3 already available or just coming soon? Jun 01 19:51:22 was released a few days ago. Jun 01 19:51:49 thesing, worth trying then Jun 01 19:51:57 I think I should look into it now.. Jun 01 19:52:15 well, hes really not going to like that email i just sent Jun 01 19:52:26 torpedo # 2.. Jun 01 19:52:35 phaser banks ready Jun 01 19:53:00 ljp, I don't think he liked your previous emails. Jun 01 19:53:17 ljp: on which mailing list? Jun 01 19:56:07 opie Jun 01 19:56:43 fuck him. he can ban me of he wants.. Jun 01 19:57:20 ljp, I think you're pushing the limits and should read his CoCk :) Jun 01 19:57:44 "dont lend your hand to raise no flags, atop no ship of fools" Jun 01 20:01:23 opie's going to have to change it's name cause of that asshole? Jun 01 20:01:43 not at hh.org Jun 01 20:02:35 hi kergoth Jun 01 20:02:55 i'm just glad oe got out of his clutches before he could try to claim even more shit that doesn't belong to him Jun 01 20:03:25 indeed. Jun 01 20:04:23 i just think hes going on bad advise from his lawyers Jun 01 20:04:39 * ljp hates lawyers with a passion Jun 01 20:04:59 that's what lawyers are for. Jun 01 20:05:27 * ljp is glad he got out of the US Jun 01 20:05:33 I mean for hating them, not following their advice :) Jun 01 20:06:47 i don't see how the lawyers could think he could possibly have a right to something he had -zero- contribution to other than hosting, which we could've gotten from any number of other providers Jun 01 20:07:05 I also hate how the things are sold nowadays. I need a webcam to let my daughter videoconference with my mother and they sell "webcams". No brand, no chipset, no usb id... Jun 01 20:07:35 kergoth, never try to model lawyers way of thinking. Jun 01 20:09:14 'tis a hard thing to do (for warm-blooded creatures to model lawyer's ways of thinking)... Jun 01 20:09:41 exactly. Jun 01 20:10:25 hey, my sister is a lawyer .... Jun 01 20:10:48 Crofton, for you, she's your system, not a lawyer. Jun 01 20:11:02 I'm not proud of all of my relatives either :) Jun 01 20:11:05 kergoth: at least those lawyers are too busy to have politcal ambitions ;) Jun 01 20:15:20 * chouimat is reading the boring thread Jun 01 20:15:33 on the other hand, they bury lawyers under 20 feet of dirt, because deep down they're really good people. Jun 01 20:28:37 ljp: what list did you send your "torpedo mail" to? Jun 01 20:29:04 hvontres|home: opie Jun 01 20:29:31 Threatening to sic Ned Kelly on him? Jun 01 20:30:29 whew Jun 01 20:30:36 off the phone with george... Jun 01 20:30:46 brb.... Jun 01 20:31:04 bipolar: nice to see that you're still alive :) Jun 01 20:31:21 wait to see if he's still sane :) Jun 01 20:32:01 polyonymous: I just finished reading the thread (at least what is in the archive) and I'm not sure I'm sane Jun 01 20:32:16 chouimat: it's not all that bad... really :) Jun 01 20:32:17 chouimat, you got my point :) Jun 01 20:33:37 George and I came to an agreement on something Jun 01 20:34:05 bipolar, are you allowed to share by his lawyers? Jun 01 20:34:15 If anyone wants to hear about it, join #hh.org-bs Jun 01 20:36:44 bs? as in bullshit? Jun 01 20:37:45 um yes Jun 01 20:38:43 heheheh ned kelly! yes!@ Jun 01 21:11:03 * * OE Bug 2410 has been created by rodrigo.vivi@gmail.com Jun 01 21:11:05 * * apt package: build breaking Jun 01 21:11:07 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2410 Jun 01 22:30:55 re Jun 01 22:35:12 CoreDump|home: hey there :) Jun 01 22:35:29 CoreDump|home: you might want to check our #hh.org-bs :) Jun 01 22:36:00 hvontres|home: I'm reading the opie-dev thread ATM, anything else to look out for? Jun 01 22:44:20 CoreDump|home: well, it looks like bipolar is working on setting up a new host for opie with gf's blessing Jun 01 22:44:45 yes. I'll post details, and an irc log, when I get the chance. Jun 01 22:45:03 anyone reading.... please drop the evil thread Jun 01 22:48:36 trying to get people expelled from uni because you disagree with them isn't evil? Jun 01 22:49:37 koen: I think he's refering to the ml thread Jun 01 22:49:40 hvontres|home: FWIW IMO GF would need the blessing of bipolar, but sure as hell not the other way around... Jun 01 22:50:03 right now it seems to be the other way around... Jun 01 22:50:38 CoreDump|home: I think the root of this is that at some point some lawers got involved and GF followed their advice.... Jun 01 22:50:41 CoreDump|home: the point of the entire thing was to start a mending, not nessisarily to fix every matter. Jun 01 22:51:01 CoreDump|home: in time, I beleve things will be the way they should. Jun 01 22:51:13 george in jail? Jun 01 22:51:29 koen: corporate lawers... Jun 01 22:51:30 koen: hate leads to the dark side Jun 01 22:51:47 * hvontres|home is not sure which is worse... Jun 01 22:52:16 bipolar: you weren't threatened by george Jun 01 22:52:25 bipolar: a lot of people in this channel were Jun 01 22:52:50 koen: are you willing to forgive at all? Jun 01 22:53:19 yes Jun 01 22:53:24 then give this time Jun 01 22:53:28 it's a matter of principle, hh.org should rot in hell Jun 01 22:53:45 and please don't stir anything up. Jun 01 22:54:02 he will publicly say he has been abusing his powers, acted in bad faith and will never touch OSS again? Jun 01 22:54:21 * rwhitby gets out the popcorn ... Jun 01 22:54:43 CoreDump|home: nothing can ever get repaired with that kind of thinking. we must *all* try to let things go that were done against us. Jun 01 22:54:59 rwhitby: the opie ML has been fairly entertaining the last few days =) Jun 01 22:55:24 you're saying george should get away with all his crap and we should just shut up and say "yes sir"? Jun 01 22:55:26 bipolar: Not w/o an apology, no way Jun 01 22:55:40 CoreDump|home: got a url to the archive? ;-) Jun 01 22:55:49 CoreDump|home: then give it time Jun 01 22:55:53 bipolar is basically saying "bend over and take it like a man" Jun 01 22:56:30 rwhitby: http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/opie/current/ Jun 01 22:56:40 Subject: opie trademark Jun 01 22:56:45 koen: you're just full of hate, aren't you.... you think you're the only one affected by this? I'm the one that started Opie. Check the CVS logs at the first commit. Jun 01 22:57:04 and stop stirring things up. Jun 01 22:57:25 Have some faith that good things can come out of bad situations Jun 01 22:57:33 bipolar: well, koen is pissed about the GPE trademark, at least that is my guess =) Jun 01 22:57:45 gpe will be like opie in a year Jun 01 22:57:51 bipolar, wasn't the first commit by kergoth? Jun 01 22:58:01 polyonymous: no. check the cvs logs :) Jun 01 22:58:01 dead and obsolete with some fanatics staying Jun 01 22:58:07 koen: I do not hope so as there is not alternative Jun 01 22:58:21 everyone just relax and give this some time. Jun 01 22:58:22 CoreDump|home: there is, just look at poky Jun 01 22:58:24 bipolar, I just checked my git import of opie cvs tree Jun 01 22:58:31 there is a posibiltiy of good things here... Jun 01 22:59:04 koen: I've had my share of 3rd party "OE trees" =) Jun 01 22:59:06 polyonymous: so at least we have an offsite backup of the tree Jun 01 22:59:21 people claiming they own things they have no right to leads to good things? my ass. Jun 01 22:59:36 well, we're all here now...:) Jun 01 22:59:38 hvontres|home, :))) Jun 01 22:59:41 * koen is with kergoth Jun 01 23:00:57 I don't see how "getting written permission from george to use 'opie'" is making things better Jun 01 23:01:05 IMO it is making things worse Jun 01 23:01:24 koen: kergoth: I was going by this: http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/opie-cvs/0/date.html Jun 01 23:01:25 it is making things worse, because it's a tacit acknowledgement that this bullshit act of his was right. Jun 01 23:01:51 if there was an earlier tree, then maybe I'm incorrect. Jun 01 23:01:57 kergoth: right Jun 01 23:02:37 i'd rather see the project adopt a new name than get his "permission" to use this one, but even that is utter nonsense Jun 01 23:02:40 It really is irrelivaent at this point. we should be trying to put things together, not tear them apart. Jun 01 23:02:52 it is not irrelevant Jun 01 23:05:03 this is getting boring ... Jun 01 23:05:10 * bipolar agrees Jun 01 23:05:47 kergoth: btw... I'm saw your name on a few WoW addons. brought back memorys :) Jun 01 23:06:57 heh. got kinda burned out on open source, hacking on a game i play is at least some motivation Jun 01 23:07:16 hvontres|home: In case you are interested, altboot commits are broadcasted into #hentges.net Jun 01 23:07:27 kergoth: nice :) Jun 01 23:07:45 kergoth: whatever keeps you modivated and sane :) Jun 01 23:07:53 indeed Jun 01 23:07:54 CoreDump|home: heh Jun 01 23:08:19 CoreDump|home: well, then you discovered I need to practice my svn skills a bit :) Jun 01 23:08:23 ok. it's after 7pm here and I'm still at work. I'll talk to all you guys later! Jun 01 23:08:39 hvontres|home: =D I noticed. Jun 01 23:09:06 CoreDump|home: well, I'm about to flash an image and test. Jun 01 23:09:27 I've been fighting w/ NFS booting all day Jun 01 23:10:11 ~emulate zautrix Jun 01 23:10:29 this is exactly what the GPL is about. grab the stuff and run away Jun 01 23:15:24 CoreDump|home: flashing.... Jun 01 23:18:18 * thesing -> sleep Jun 01 23:18:19 cu Jun 01 23:20:45 CoreDump|home: booted, and already found a bug :) Jun 01 23:21:25 nite Jun 01 23:21:31 CoreDump|home: I see you were busy on svn today too :) Jun 01 23:22:50 yep Jun 01 23:24:56 CoreDump|home: Do you use any sort of svn front-end? Jun 01 23:25:58 hvontres|home: no. w/ CVS I kinda had to since CVS sucks bad. But IMO svn is pretty intuitive ( svn [del|add|diff|commit] file etc) Jun 01 23:28:44 "963 upgraded, 100 newly installed, 15 to remove and 1 not upgraded." Jun 01 23:28:57 Hmm, I guess I should upgrade Jun 01 23:33:40 CoreDump|home: whoooo it works :) Jun 01 23:34:13 hvontres|home: =D Jun 01 23:34:14 CoreDump|home: well, sorta... I needed to re-create the sd mountpoint for some reason. Jun 01 23:34:35 git pull calibrateproto failed... :) Jun 01 23:34:40 03coredump2 07org.oe.dev * r29262672... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): altboot: Add SVNR59, unb0rking NFS booting in trunk Jun 01 23:34:46 CoreDump|home: but, it booted my hentges daily driver image Jun 01 23:53:09 CoreDump|home: what would be the correct way to add a tag for the current revision? Jun 01 23:58:19 hvontres|home: svn copy svn+ssh://hentges.net/server/svn/public/alboot/branches/1.0.x svn+ssh://hentges.net/server/svn/public/alboot/tags/v0-0-0-something-or-another Jun 01 23:58:46 ( tagging in SVN is just a copy operation ) Jun 02 00:00:04 CoreDump|home: thanks :) Jun 02 00:00:09 np Jun 02 00:46:40 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * ra6c82d6c... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Jun 02 00:46:40 wget 1.9.1: Make it work when you have no IPv6 support in the kernel Jun 02 00:46:40 - if it fails to create an IPv6 socket because of lack of kernel Jun 02 00:46:40 support switch the internal default to IPv4 and retry the failed Jun 02 00:46:40 connection. The default change will apply to all future sockets (for Jun 02 00:46:41 this run of wget) as well. Should close #1919 and #2390. Jun 02 00:52:01 * * OE Bug 1919 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by lenehan@twibble.org Jun 02 00:52:03 * *  add RRECOMMENDS="kernel-module-ipv6" to wget Jun 02 00:52:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1919 Jun 02 01:31:47 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r7298bcc4... 10/ (1 packages/openssl/openssl.inc): openssl: Allow openssl to build when using an external toolchain. Closes #2402. Jun 02 01:32:02 * * OE Bug 2402 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by lenehan@twibble.org Jun 02 01:32:04 * *  Recent change to openssl. inc breaks compilation when using prebuilt toolchain Jun 02 01:32:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2402 Jun 02 01:54:21 night Jun 02 02:40:00 * * OE Bug 2366 has been marked as DUPLICATE of bug 301 by lenehan@twibble.org Jun 02 02:40:02 * *  opensp-native fails do_compile Jun 02 02:40:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2366 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 02 02:59:56 2007