**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 02 02:59:56 2007 Jun 02 03:11:56 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * rce737ccc... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Jun 02 03:11:56 opensp 1.5: Fix compile issues with various compilers, fix from Jun 02 03:11:56 opensp cvs and also as specified in bug #301. Tested with gcc 3.4.4 Jun 02 03:11:56 and 4.1.2 for both opensp and opensp-native. Fixes #301 and #2366. Jun 02 03:12:00 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r9118771f... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Jun 02 03:12:00 opensp 1.5: Clean up the recipe, fix up packaging and reduce optimisation on Jun 02 03:12:01 sh4 to avoid internal compiler errors. Jun 02 03:12:05 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r8da4b293... 10/ (1 packages/opensp/opensp-native_1.5.bb): Jun 02 03:12:05 opensp-native 1.5: Add the fixes for various gcc version to sp-native since Jun 02 03:12:07 it uses it doesn't use the non-native recipe and people may have versions of Jun 02 03:12:09 gcc on their host that trigger the issue. Jun 02 03:13:00 * * OE Bug 301 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by lenehan@twibble.org Jun 02 03:13:02 * *  OpenSP fails to build with gcc 3.4.4 Jun 02 03:13:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301 Jun 02 04:22:27 ~emulate stewie Jun 02 04:22:48 Yes, I rather like this God fellow. He's very theatrical, you know, a pestilence here, a plague there. Omnipotence. Gotta get me some of that. Jun 02 04:27:07 ~emulate koen Jun 02 04:27:20 the release notes should have some info how to solve that Jun 02 04:34:19 for a second I thought the bot was going to yell at me Jun 02 04:54:00 ~emulate france Jun 02 04:55:00 ~emulate kergoth Jun 02 04:55:26 ibot: literal emulate koen Jun 02 04:55:32 * ibot hmms. Jun 02 04:55:52 "emulate koen" is "the release notes have hints||the release notes should have some info how to solve that" Jun 02 04:55:53 Zero_Chaos: bored too? Jun 02 04:56:12 hvontres|home: waiting for a defrag to finish so I can image a drive (while asleep) Jun 02 04:58:06 finally it's done Jun 02 04:58:11 goodnight Jun 02 04:58:11 heh...fun with ibot Jun 02 04:58:16 Zero_Chaos: night Jun 02 05:21:51 03mwester 07org.oe.dev * r3fdd1243... 10/ (1 packages/arm-kernel-shim/arm-kernel-shim_1.4.bb): SlugOS: add the missing init=linuxrc to the default command line. Jun 02 05:29:25 mwester: thx - I'll be adding the 1.5 version sometime soon too Jun 02 06:07:52 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * rb8e51a56... 10/ (1 conf/distro/mokoslug.conf): mokoslug: use task-boot instead of task-base Jun 02 06:45:24 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * re659ef8a... 10/ (10 files in 3 dirs): arm-kernel-shim: Updated to version 1.5 Jun 02 06:45:28 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * reb047a66... 10/ (1 packages/linux/ixp4xx-kernel_2.6.21.1.bb): ixp4xx-kernel: Updated to latest svn patchset Jun 02 06:52:39 anyone here? Jun 02 07:06:01 ljp: just us lurkers :) Jun 02 07:13:49 and us saturday arvo committers Jun 02 07:27:42 do you to what extent the hardware support os for the nokia 770 and 800? Jun 02 07:27:57 s/is/os Jun 02 07:31:04 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r15383019... 10/ (1 packages/perl/perl_5.8.8.bb): Jun 02 07:31:04 perl 5.8.8: Fix for building under gcc 4.2 which was just added to OE. It Jun 02 07:31:04 was already included being included in perl-native, but not in perl itself. Jun 02 07:58:27 good morning Jun 02 08:23:24 which conf should i use for IXP425? ixp4xxbe.conf or ixp4xxle.conf Jun 02 08:26:45 rob_w: depends on what you want Jun 02 08:27:07 right , google shows me i can run both but BE is the processor Jun 02 08:27:23 i am new to those BE LE thingis`s .. any hints or suggestions Jun 02 08:27:28 the cpu can do both LE and BE Jun 02 08:27:41 BE should have slightly faster networking Jun 02 08:29:10 ok thats what we target .. so i try to build all BE thanks Jun 02 08:51:13 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rff3f959f... 10/ (1 classes/kernel-arch.bbclass): kernel-arch.bbclass: add avr32 support Jun 02 08:51:56 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rff3f959f... 10/ (1 classes/kernel-arch.bbclass): kernel-arch.bbclass: add avr32 support Jun 02 08:52:01 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8445664a... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux/at32stk1000/defconfig): linux 2.6.21: update at32stk1000 config Jun 02 09:02:46 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r15bec76d... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux_2.6.21.bb): linux 2.6.21: atstk1000 needs uImage instead of zImage Jun 02 09:06:04 koen, avr32 is atmel atmega right ? Jun 02 09:12:20 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r7c154402... 10/ (1 packages/uclibc/uclibc-0.9.28/avr32/uClibc.config): uclibc: enable ipv6 and rpc for avr32 Jun 02 09:43:48 hey mickey|LinuxTag Jun 02 09:45:25 hi koen Jun 02 09:45:34 how was your talk? Jun 02 09:45:54 pretty well -- got lots of good feedback Jun 02 09:46:10 guess i could bring the point across :) Jun 02 09:47:05 the avr32 lists and forums indicate they need OE :) Jun 02 09:47:12 woot! Jun 02 09:47:20 good thing. we need to get into this "market" Jun 02 09:47:30 btw., had some discussions with one of ROAD Jun 02 09:47:36 lots of posts with "I compiled this by hand and...." Jun 02 09:47:55 might donate some server for us Jun 02 09:47:59 will keep the fire burning Jun 02 09:47:59 cool Jun 02 09:48:03 we need servers Jun 02 09:48:26 * koen looks at the "we need servers and hosting" mail in his 'Drafts' folder Jun 02 09:48:57 mickey|LinuxTag: is http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-June/002229.html what we want for the tarball releases? Jun 02 09:49:42 yes, that's pretty cool! Jun 02 09:55:17 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8701b753... 10/ (1 site/avr32-common): site/avr32-common: start avr32 sitefile Jun 02 09:58:11 mickey|LinuxTag: and http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-June/002240.html Jun 02 10:11:14 ERROR: Can not check RPATH, scanelf (part of pax-utils-native) not found Jun 02 10:11:26 bitbake 1.6? Jun 02 10:11:54 jo Jun 02 10:12:00 oh do i need to upgrade ? Jun 02 10:12:05 rob_w, I think you do. Jun 02 10:12:16 ok ,. Jun 02 10:12:18 thanks Jun 02 10:12:28 np Jun 02 10:24:10 polyonymous, looks working ,, thanks again Jun 02 10:24:25 np again :) Jun 02 10:34:53 hi Jun 02 10:51:11 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r47c01740... 10/ (8 files in 4 dirs): apex: Updated to 1.5.4 and removed old versions Jun 02 10:55:35 B/win 5 Jun 02 10:55:39 At station.. Eta half past Jun 02 10:55:51 Gah, lag. Jun 02 11:08:29 qemu-native-0.8.2+cvs20060723-r1/qemu/usb-linux.c:131: error: structure has no member named `data'+ Jun 02 11:10:02 we need to get intot the davinci market also :) Jun 02 11:12:25 arg Jun 02 11:12:30 f word Jun 02 11:13:52 http://pastebin.ca/531106 Jun 02 11:14:02 where has init gone? Jun 02 11:14:41 I wiped tmp and rebuilt, no /bin/init and some other stuff is missing from bin Jun 02 11:15:17 hmm sbin/init Jun 02 11:15:38 Does the kernel look here by default? Jun 02 11:16:09 for what I remember, yes. Jun 02 11:16:52 hmmm Jun 02 11:17:05 I gues I nee to go to work and look at the baord Jun 02 11:17:19 I hate sbin Jun 02 11:17:26 it exists to confuse me Jun 02 11:19:36 Crofton|home, busybox is package which will do most content of /bin Jun 02 11:20:25 yeah, I think I am guilty of trying to work on too many things at once Jun 02 11:20:42 not thinking clearly Jun 02 11:20:51 today is make efika work day though Jun 02 11:21:15 Hello Jun 02 12:32:30 hi Jun 02 12:32:42 anybody got usbboot in u-boot working ? Jun 02 12:34:07 today I searched on internet and tried to find some information saying the difference between scratchbox and oe? Does anybody know the difference? Jun 02 12:34:25 it's easier to use ;) Jun 02 12:35:11 sokoow, it's easier to use what? Jun 02 12:36:26 oe Jun 02 12:36:37 i have only trouble with scratchbox Jun 02 12:38:11 Actually, I did used scratchbox once, just for trying. And I found scratchbox has a very nice feature, we can execute target arch binary file on x86. Jun 02 12:39:18 cool Jun 02 12:40:14 These two days, I also do some homework on oe, didn't find any place to solve this kind of problem(I mean execute target arch binary file on x86) on oe. Do you know whether this feature exists or not on oe? Jun 02 12:40:46 qemu :) Jun 02 12:42:10 yeah, this is my guess before, but not very sure for I don't know how to involved qemu into oe. now you told me the answer, I'll try to get it done later :) Jun 02 12:43:34 sokoow, you have some trouble with sb, I think it's the place asking question here? Jun 02 12:44:01 yes :) Jun 02 12:45:28 you got uboot? Jun 02 12:48:21 sorry, I have to say NO, I never use it for I am an application developer so far. but I will do some research in the coming days. Jun 02 12:49:49 heh Jun 02 13:23:40 CoreDump|afk, what's the status with gspca on your zaurus? Jun 02 13:52:09 quit Jun 02 14:49:26 dJ Jun 02 15:01:42 * Crofton hearts OE Jun 02 15:03:04 Crofton: the efika booted? Jun 02 15:03:24 koen: nice changelog Jun 02 15:03:39 not yet Jun 02 15:03:53 just working on updating some ossie files Jun 02 15:04:02 to reflect recent changes Jun 02 15:04:57 cbrake: preparations for the much wanted "biweekly tarballs" feature we have been planning Jun 02 15:05:08 I think I will move the svn versions to a collection Jun 02 15:05:19 and add real ones back when we have a real release ... Jun 02 15:07:04 morning Jun 02 15:07:12 hey chouimat Jun 02 15:08:29 hm efika doesn't see the file system on the CF card Jun 02 15:13:30 polyonymous: wrt 1673, please don't close bugs that are not fully understood, OK? Jun 02 15:14:01 sometimes I think I am curesed Jun 02 15:14:13 now I can't read the CF card from the efika booter Jun 02 15:14:36 the microdrive won't fit in my laptop so I can;t write it unless I go home Jun 02 15:15:45 Laibsch, what makes you think it's not fully understood? Jun 02 15:16:40 polyonymous: What did I do wrong IYO? Jun 02 15:16:59 Unless you can answer that question you have not understood a single thing about the bug, actually! Jun 02 15:17:02 * * OE Bug 1673 has been REOPENED by bugs.openembedded.org@rolf.leggewie.biz Jun 02 15:17:04 * *  busybox sh not utf-8 safe Jun 02 15:17:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1673 Jun 02 15:17:18 I am not sure anymore the bug is really in busybox Jun 02 15:17:29 I am not sure where it is, but it most certainly is there. Jun 02 15:17:33 Laibsch, well, I wouldn't use such terms, but if I would, I'd say that you wrongly filed bug report. That is - you definitely had some problems with locale, but it didn't have anything to do with busybox., Jun 02 15:17:54 How do you know? Jun 02 15:18:05 The bug report is from my OZ system Jun 02 15:18:19 Not the one where talked about last Thursday Jun 02 15:18:21 Laibsch, because busybox is utf-8 safe. Jun 02 15:18:28 polyonymous: read above Jun 02 15:18:32 Can you say how exactly were you testing? Jun 02 15:18:37 It might be elsewhere. Jun 02 15:18:48 polyonymous: I don't have time to elaborate further now Jun 02 15:19:04 polyonymous: You were saying it is invalid, thus claiming you fully understood it Jun 02 15:19:08 Laibsch, That's why I closed with the note that you should reopen/change/file a new bug report. I do not question that you've had the problem there. Jun 02 15:19:11 polyonymous: When in fact you did not. Jun 02 15:19:31 polyonymous: that is still bogus. Close bugs when you can be reasonably sure. Jun 02 15:19:35 You could not have been Jun 02 15:19:39 This was all guess work Jun 02 15:19:43 guess-work Jun 02 15:19:48 Laibsch, that was not. Jun 02 15:19:56 polyonymous: It was Jun 02 15:20:04 Or tell me what the problem was Jun 02 15:20:10 * Laibsch hates reiterations Jun 02 15:20:11 * koen can't wait to test dropbear_0.49-r0_avr32.ipk Jun 02 15:20:25 My only mistake was that I thought you wouldn't be offended with the word 'invalid'. Apparently, you were offended, so I apologize. Jun 02 15:20:29 But the bug is still invalid. Jun 02 15:21:00 * koen would have expected busybox to be utf8 unsage Jun 02 15:21:03 unsafe* Jun 02 15:21:11 koen, so would I. Jun 02 15:21:11 Just your suggestion to reopen in case it turns out not to be invalid showed that you yourself were not sure. Jun 02 15:21:18 koen, but I checked. Jun 02 15:21:47 Laibsch, no, I suggested to reopen it while making changes to make it non-ivalid. Jun 02 15:22:00 Maybe I wasn't quite clear on that. Jun 02 15:22:04 polyonymous: Bogus. Again, tell me what my mistake was and I'll accept your immediate rendering of invalid. Jun 02 15:22:25 OTherwise, please in future holds consultation with the bug reporter before being to quick to close. Jun 02 15:22:48 too quick Jun 02 15:23:08 Laibsch, you're not listening to me, you're plainly offended. I already apologized for offending you. And don't expect me to agree on the matter. Jun 02 15:23:24 polyonymous: Again, tell me what my mistake was and I'll accept your immediate rendering of invalid. Jun 02 15:23:41 you're the one not listening Jun 02 15:23:43 Laibsch, I think you had no time to spend on talking about this bug now? Jun 02 15:23:48 Or not willing to answer a simple question Jun 02 15:24:02 * chouimat is listening to Devil seed by Candlemass on King of the grey islands [Amarok] Jun 02 15:25:11 Laibsch, would you be less offended it I closed it with "worksforme"? Jun 02 15:26:28 Laibsch, see my last comment on the bug, maybe. Jun 02 15:26:38 polyonymous: Again, tell me what my mistake was and I'll accept your immediate rendering of invalid. Jun 02 15:26:43 WFM won't help Jun 02 15:26:50 Unless you have the exact same setup Jun 02 15:27:09 And then only after the reporter fails to respond to questions for more information Jun 02 15:27:18 Laibsch, your mistake was claiming that busybox is not utf-8 safe. Jun 02 15:27:20 I think this is standard practice in bug triaging. Jun 02 15:27:33 polyonymous: Yes, I might have misappropriated Jun 02 15:27:48 Laibsch, that's what I was talking about - change it and we're all set. Jun 02 15:27:52 You are looking for a way out of your corner by finding my mistakes? Jun 02 15:28:25 If we want to get things done, we shouldn't be arguing about what wrong (in your opinion) button did I hit. Jun 02 15:28:36 polyonymous: Changing title is easy, can be done by anyone and nothing why you should *ever* close as invalid. Jun 02 15:28:37 If we want to quarrel, I'm not really in for it. Jun 02 15:28:51 The effect is there, so I think we need to be careful with our bugs. Jun 02 15:29:15 Laibsch, what is the problem - is it hard to reopen bug? Have you reacted on your own comment about OZ being phased out by angstrom? Jun 02 15:29:27 polyonymous: I think we should argue if you hit the "Mark as invalid" instead of the "change title" button Jun 02 15:29:42 This is a mistake I'd like to see not repeated if possible Jun 02 15:30:17 polyonymous: Why are you dragging oz in there now? Jun 02 15:30:34 * Laibsch does not really want to know Jun 02 15:31:33 Don't ask if you don't want to know. I'd be happy to help you to resolve the problem, but I don't see any reason for continuing the discussion like that. Jun 02 15:31:43 * koen thinks vendors should clean up their patches more Jun 02 15:35:03 * koen hopes atmel will put their quilt tree online Jun 02 15:36:53 koen you will need to make a lot of sacrifice for this :) Jun 02 15:36:59 I tried to create a kernel image with an additional patch from RP. The build seems to work. I got a zImage file in the staging folder. Installation seems fine but after booting I got a kernel panic Jun 02 15:37:09 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r337a5b25... 10/ (1 packages/gcc/gcc-4.0.2/gcc-4.0.2-atmel.0.99.2.patch): gcc-4.0.2: tweak atmel patch a bit Jun 02 15:37:17 chouimat: I hope not :) Jun 02 15:41:39 it looks like there is a problem with the jffs file system. Did I anything wrong during the compiling procedure ? Jun 02 16:03:50 Laibsch, I commented on your bug and I really hope you won't hold it against me for a long. Jun 02 16:07:02 Laibsch, and I still suspect your bug summary is inaccurate :) Jun 02 16:09:34 hmmm cheaper to get a 24 port switch than a 8 and 16 one ... Jun 02 16:21:57 I am truly cursed today Jun 02 16:22:07 laptop power cable is falling apart now Jun 02 16:22:52 at least I foud the adapter to plug the microdrive into my laptop ... Jun 02 16:22:57 Crofton me it's tomorrow ... my sister and her moron are coming here :( Jun 02 16:23:15 hmmm Jun 02 16:23:25 you do not approve of her companion? Jun 02 16:24:05 Crofton just image a phd in political science/philosophy/linguistic that know everything ... Jun 02 16:24:30 omfg Jun 02 16:24:37 * Crofton shudders Jun 02 16:24:52 Crofton and one of the VP of The Parti Quebecois youth commission :) Jun 02 16:25:02 * Crofton quivers Jun 02 16:25:16 speaks a lot of french then? Jun 02 16:26:01 Crofton I'm french so it's not a problem ... maybe I should invite a friend ... she's from Alberta ... it would be fun :) Jun 02 16:26:10 heh Jun 02 16:26:23 Canadian politics are amusing Jun 02 16:26:42 Crofton and your is scary :) Jun 02 16:27:02 heh Jun 02 16:27:04 yeah Jun 02 16:27:24 ok, I have a microdrive with init on it Jun 02 16:27:26 fially Jun 02 16:28:28 finally Efika boots from microdrive Jun 02 16:28:31 YAY Jun 02 16:28:47 cool Jun 02 16:40:44 Crofton: congrats Jun 02 16:56:07 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r52bf7c0c... 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): apex: Updated to version 1.5.6 Jun 02 16:56:11 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r18ed2772... 10/ (1 packages/sysconf/files/sysconfsetup): sysconf: Trival code comment cleanup Jun 02 17:22:53 if I like to compile a new kernel for Angstrom with a patch from RP should I run bitbake virtual/kernel ? bitbake linux-rp_2.6.20.bb fails. Jun 02 17:23:38 How can I make sure that I use linux-rp_2.6.20.bb ? Because there I add the patch I like to use Jun 02 17:23:47 Zuse_, bitbake -b Jun 02 17:24:12 Zuse_: default kernel for angstrom is rp, you should be able to just bitbake virtual/kernel -c rebuild Jun 02 17:25:12 O.k. then I did it more or less right before. However, installing the kernel result in a kernel panic due to problems with jffs Jun 02 17:25:52 * koen sees that puttin bugzilla in utf8 mode a few months ago was a good idea Jun 02 17:27:09 koen, are you referring to japanese pangram? :) Jun 02 17:27:19 yes Jun 02 17:27:33 heh. Need to ask Laibsch what did I write there :) Jun 02 17:28:30 Here he is. He may shed some light :) Jun 02 17:28:43 Laibsc1, what did I write in Japanese? :) Jun 02 17:29:15 polyonymous: google for iroha Jun 02 17:29:34 There should be information in Englisch/German/Dutch about that Jun 02 17:29:40 a japanese poem Jun 02 17:29:52 Laibsc1, found it on wikipedia. Reading the translation now. Jun 02 17:31:20 Nice poem, but the rejecting of alcohol intoxication doesn't appeal to me :) Jun 02 17:32:36 * koen discovers a nasty bug in virtuall all OE distros Jun 02 17:33:11 ? Jun 02 17:33:15 The EFIKA booted Jun 02 17:33:16 Crofton: http://rafb.net/p/4ElCB241.html Jun 02 17:33:24 * polyonymous is all eyes Jun 02 17:34:13 the compiler has to be called 'gcc-cross' since PREFERRED_PROVIDERS is a glob Jun 02 17:35:11 I never really understood these lines .... Jun 02 17:35:51 it says "use gcc-cross as cross compiler" Jun 02 17:36:04 but I want to use avr32-gcc-cross_4.1.2.bb Jun 02 17:36:17 appending that to the glob makes bitbake cry Jun 02 17:38:41 just give bitbake a tissue, it'll be alright Jun 02 17:39:06 So it doesn't cause any symptoms if the cross compiler is, in fact, gcc-cross_*.bb Jun 02 17:39:59 right Jun 02 17:46:08 after compiling the kernel for akita, I just have to copy staging/akita-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/kernel/zimage to my CF card and flash the Z again ?! Jun 02 17:47:55 Zuse_, zImage into zImage.bin and updater.sh Jun 02 17:48:05 (unless it's already there) Jun 02 17:49:46 polyonymous: Thanks, updater.sh there already. I will try the kernel now without the patch and see if this works. With patch if runs in kernel panic. Jun 02 17:50:10 polyonymous: (But maybe just I'm in panic ;) ) Jun 02 18:00:50 Hmm... the kernel without patch works, with patch it seems to fail.... Will check the patched one again... Jun 02 18:01:15 I am getting error on my EFIKA FEC_IEVENT_RFIFO_ERROR Jun 02 18:05:12 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * rbf1d5805... 10/ (1 packages/nabi/nabi_0.17.bb): nabi: render DESCRIPTION more precisely (Korean context) Jun 02 18:57:46 * koen scratches head Jun 02 18:58:14 reordering patches seems to have avoided errors Jun 02 19:25:37 could it be possible that my bitbake is baking in circle`s ?!? :-O Jun 02 19:32:38 rob_w, not likely, but it is possible that it takes a long time :) Jun 02 19:33:05 why does unpacking gcc take so long? Jun 02 19:33:40 boostrap-image feels still to much for my needs Jun 02 19:33:58 people still use that? Jun 02 19:34:29 koen, it is my preferred way of setting up new devices and products :-) Jun 02 19:35:09 * koen recommends angstrom-minimal-image or angstrom-console-image Jun 02 19:35:13 well people maybe not but me Jun 02 19:35:20 aha Jun 02 19:35:33 * rob_w STRG+C Jun 02 19:36:09 well i am at 1142 of 1297 so i will finish this one and then go angstrom minimal .. Jun 02 19:37:04 It's Ctrl, not Strg! :)) Jun 02 19:37:33 in Germany its STRG aka " String" , hehe Jun 02 19:37:48 Aka Steurung or something like that, I think. Jun 02 19:38:23 steuerung probably Jun 02 19:38:35 Old russian computers used to call it "СУ" ;-) I still prefer "Ctrl" or "^" Jun 02 19:38:40 Yup, missed one letter. Jun 02 19:39:04 Actually, the left one on my keyboards is never readable :) Jun 02 19:39:26 Hmm... as well as letter 'c'. Does it mean I'm always cancelling my jobs? Jun 02 19:39:32 polyonymous, is it some "rocket button" for your games ? Jun 02 19:39:48 rob_w, I don't play games for ages. Surely not after I bought this keyboard. Jun 02 19:40:01 i see Jun 02 19:40:14 sounds like I'm always doing ^C :) Jun 02 19:40:47 koen can you point me to the bb file which either builds angstrom-minimal/console so i can look into them to see what it will build Jun 02 19:42:16 rob_w, guess it's in packages/angstrom Jun 02 19:42:29 ah Jun 02 19:42:36 and grep is your friend :) Jun 02 19:42:53 packages/images/angstrom-minimal-image.bb Jun 02 19:43:00 i noticed i grepped for the wrong string Jun 02 19:43:12 memory is your friend && find Jun 02 19:43:38 sometimes common sense also helps, but that has way too more exceptions :) Jun 02 19:44:05 yeah common sense is what i mostly miss Jun 02 19:44:20 i am a dump try n error guy Jun 02 19:44:46 you're not the only one, so common sense doesn't always apply :) Jun 02 19:46:34 at least after doing bootstrap-image the angstrom-minimal-image just takes a moment to bake Jun 02 19:48:38 Maybe someone can point me to a file linux/apm-emulation.h in the kernel source path. RP wrote a patch which may solve some suspend problem. He include this header file in /arch/arm/common/sharpsl_pwrtest.c. However, I (and the compiler ;) ) cannot find it in my kernel sources for 2.6.21 Jun 02 19:49:55 no idea. Maybe it's arm-emulation? Jun 02 19:50:02 aaah Jun 02 19:50:06 no, it's apm, of course. Jun 02 19:50:11 still no idea. Jun 02 19:51:12 polyonymous: He wrote the patch for 2.6.21 but told me that it should fit to 2.6.21. I do not have the sources for 2.6.21 to verifiy this but maybe this is the problem Jun 02 19:51:37 polyonymous: i mean he told me it should fit to 2.6.20 Jun 02 19:51:42 Zuse_, I don't think I can help you here... Jun 02 19:52:09 I don't even have the kernel in my workdir atm. Jun 02 19:57:24 polyonymous: Nevermind, do you know how to switch to 2.6.21 in OE ? Jun 02 20:02:20 * Crofton grumbles Jun 02 20:02:34 the efika git kernel isn't set def pref = -1 Jun 02 20:04:02 * * OE Bug 2411 has been created by gfellerpatrik@gmx.net Jun 02 20:04:04 * * .bb for libvncserver 0.9.1 Jun 02 20:04:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2411 Jun 02 20:13:03 I am just half-way through Linus' presentation. I learned about distributed SCM. It seems like being the tool for something I had wanted to do for a long time, inspired by the GPG network of trust model Jun 02 20:14:06 I am talking about a collaborative effort to create a German-Japanese dictionary. I'd like to get people involved and get them being able to commit stuff without giving RW to everybody. Jun 02 20:15:05 It seems that git solves this nicely by allowing something like trust hierarchies. I had thought to replicate some structure like this but would have had to spend major time to set up a system. Jun 02 20:16:12 So I am looking for comments from you guys if you think it might be worth trying out git to get non-geeks create some kind of database called a dictionary in a decentralized fashion. Jun 02 20:16:45 git is a geek tool Jun 02 20:16:53 shit Jun 02 20:17:02 I was afraid to get that kind of answer Jun 02 20:17:34 If the group of people were (at first) limited to geeks (my skill level and higher) Jun 02 20:17:36 I think Linus' speech is deceptive. Jun 02 20:17:41 koen: Would that work? Jun 02 20:18:07 Would git make sense at all for a database (whatever the format)? Jun 02 20:18:12 I think the worst problem with git is that it doesn't (or didn't?) work on windows. That's also the best part about git :) Jun 02 20:18:16 You'd be better of with something like tortoiseSVN Jun 02 20:18:34 the worst problem of git is that is is like RCS Jun 02 20:18:38 Laibsch, I think what you need is a web frontend to the specially tailored database. Jun 02 20:18:46 koen: That does not solve the trust issue, or does it? Jun 02 20:18:54 polyonymous: That was my first thought Jun 02 20:18:58 it doesn't Jun 02 20:19:15 polyonymous: And there is something already done for german-chinese Jun 02 20:19:26 git may be of help with this trust thing in case of something like plaintext database. Jun 02 20:19:30 polyonymous: Unfortunately, these guys don't want to share the code to their tool Jun 02 20:19:39 They share the data freely but not the tool Jun 02 20:19:51 I mean, git is not really about trust, but if you want to look at it from this perspective, you'd need a plaintext database. Jun 02 20:20:12 polyonymous: I assume so. But that would be OK, I assume. Jun 02 20:20:19 Just plain-text entries. Jun 02 20:20:37 Laibsch, well, that may work, but doesn't sound like a long-term solution. Jun 02 20:20:42 OK, I guess back to the drawing board Jun 02 20:20:45 I mean, it's definitely not optimal. Jun 02 20:21:39 Let's see what #git has to say about this. Jun 02 20:21:58 Maybe they have some kind of suggestion or play down the problem Jun 02 20:22:04 git is also biased to the wrong kind of distribution Jun 02 20:22:24 koen, what do you mean "wrong"? Jun 02 20:22:26 everyone has his own little sandbox and isn't encourage to commit the the 'central' repo Jun 02 20:22:37 what's wrong about it? Jun 02 20:23:02 BTW, there's also a svn/git-svn combo. Jun 02 20:23:32 polyonymous: http://lwn.net/Articles/230831/ Jun 02 20:23:41 "I think we will just maintain our own port for the 93xx. I am not going to want to support code not written by Cirrus Logic. So I give you kuddos for getting to the port first, but using GIT makes it easy to remove your work and add ours." Jun 02 20:24:08 why submit patches upstream if your scm makes them transparent locally? Jun 02 20:24:42 koen, that has to do more with human nature rather than git. Jun 02 21:19:53 is there any way to upgrade to kernel 2.6.21. It seems it is not in the OE environment but I guess I need it to apply a patch. I guess someone has to add something like a linux-rp_2.6.21.bb ;) Jun 02 21:28:54 I keep getting this feeling my kernel build hangs in make oldconfig Jun 02 22:47:07 NameError: global name 'name' is not defined in package_qa_check_rdepends - why would that happen? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 03 02:59:58 2007