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Jun 03 06:57:25 <steliosk> morning all
Jun 03 06:57:52 <steliosk> Crofron : Are you using bitbake 1.6 or 1.8 with the oldconfig problem
Jun 03 06:57:59 <steliosk> Crofton : Are you using bitbake 1.6 or 1.8 with the oldconfig problem
Jun 03 09:08:39 <koen> hmmm
Jun 03 09:08:52 <koen> patches that add files suck
Jun 03 10:10:51 <Crofton> steliosk, I had turned the config into an x86 one ....
Jun 03 10:10:53 <Crofton> ooops
Jun 03 10:12:11 <steliosk> Crofton : So basically oldconfig it was waiting for user input ?
Jun 03 10:12:19 <Crofton> yep :)
Jun 03 10:12:38 <steliosk> which bitbake you were using ?
Jun 03 10:12:41 <Crofton> I am trying to get some stuff ready for our symposium next week
Jun 03 10:13:24 <Crofton> 1.8.3
Jun 03 10:13:51 <steliosk> hmm can you try the same operation (with the same config that halted in 1.8.3) with 1.6 ?
Jun 03 10:14:50 <Crofton> not very easily
Jun 03 10:14:53 <Crofton> why?
Jun 03 10:15:32 <steliosk> i am having a similar problem with uclibc-initial and 1.8
Jun 03 10:15:57 <Crofton> ah
Jun 03 10:16:07 <Crofton> for efika?
Jun 03 10:16:21 <steliosk> any powerpc target
Jun 03 10:16:27 <steliosk> but its not ppc specific
Jun 03 10:16:48 <Crofton> are you using make xconfig to change the defconfig?
Jun 03 10:17:44 <steliosk> if the config used is out of sync with the version that is need to be used, then oldconfig freezes with 1.8 waiting for user input but goes through without any problem with 1.6
Jun 03 10:18:37 <Crofton> hmm
Jun 03 10:18:40 <steliosk> its like there is a -answer-yes-to-all switch ised in 1.6 and no need to get user input
Jun 03 10:18:55 <Crofton> this was a case of valid user input
Jun 03 10:19:21 <Crofton> I think you need to do make ARCH=powerpc xconfig now
Jun 03 10:19:39 <Crofton> just make xconfig flipped the arch back to x86
Jun 03 10:19:55 <Crofton> then running with powerpc made it stop asking 32 or 64 bits PPC
Jun 03 10:20:12 <steliosk> i know that, this is how i make it. but this is a bit different
Jun 03 10:20:50 <Crofton> well, I am really busy for the next week unfortunately :(
Jun 03 10:21:01 <Crofton> we have a symposium W-F
Jun 03 10:21:15 <Crofton> and I must have a radio demo running on the efika and the OSK
Jun 03 10:21:52 <steliosk> np. i told RP about it, can't seem to find it either. probably he is busy with other stuff now also
Jun 03 10:22:15 <Crofton> so I can't really do any test builds, in case I need to rebuild a package quickly
Jun 03 10:27:42 <steliosk> Crofton : hmm efika and OSK cool !
Jun 03 10:28:30 <Crofton> yeah
Jun 03 10:28:55 <Crofton> running part of a radio on OSK, and another on the EFIKA
Jun 03 10:29:29 <Crofton> just trying to show distributed signal processing in a heterogenous envirnment
Jun 03 10:33:18 <steliosk> Crofton : I would appreciate if you could send me some material after you are finished , i could add them to my Power.org presentation 
Jun 03 10:34:12 <Crofton> such as?
Jun 03 10:34:23 <Crofton> what is your topic?
Jun 03 10:35:47 <steliosk> OE and the Power architecture
Jun 03 10:35:51 <Crofton> ok
Jun 03 10:36:09 <Crofton> I use OE to build the smae software for each board
Jun 03 10:36:33 <Crofton> this may be less interesting to the power.org guys
Jun 03 10:36:46 <Crofton> but I can work on some stuff over the summer
Jun 03 10:37:07 <Crofton> I need a lackey to do some things for me
Jun 03 10:37:18 <steliosk> it would be nice to include stuff people are doing using OE  in real world
Jun 03 10:37:26 <Crofton> like figure out signal processing on the EFIKA
Jun 03 10:37:31 <Crofton> yes
Jun 03 10:37:45 <Crofton> the genesii guys will like that
Jun 03 10:38:16 <Crofton> I am also going to talk to some networking guys this week and see if I can convince them to buy some efikas for netowrking research
Jun 03 10:38:35 <steliosk> well, there are some "dsp" commands in the ppc core but i drought if anything is using them
Jun 03 10:38:43 <Crofton> yeah
Jun 03 10:38:45 <steliosk> well with 99$ a board who can say no
Jun 03 10:38:57 <Crofton> must cppus have limited "vector" math capability
Jun 03 10:39:07 <Crofton> yeah, that is what I am thinking
Jun 03 10:40:22 <steliosk> any plans to be at power.org dev ?
Jun 03 10:44:07 <steliosk> Crofton : and then i will be off to Phoenix for Astricon
Jun 03 10:44:21 <Crofton> what is Astircon
Jun 03 10:44:35 <Crofton> I doubt I can make the power.org thing
Jun 03 10:44:42 <Crofton> unless I get someone to pay :)
Jun 03 10:44:59 <Crofton> I onder how much cell content there is ..
Jun 03 10:45:49 <steliosk> Crofton : s/Astircon/Astricon
Jun 03 10:45:59 <steliosk> Crofton : www.astricon.net
Jun 03 10:47:32 <Crofton> ah
Jun 03 10:47:33 <Crofton> cool
Jun 03 10:48:17 <steliosk> and then (probably ) to San Jose/ SF for a week
Jun 03 10:48:34 <Crofton> sounds like quite the boondoggle
Jun 03 10:48:56 <steliosk> its be yearly "pilgrimage" to US :)
Jun 03 10:49:10 <Crofton> wrong parts though
Jun 03 10:49:13 <Crofton> :)
Jun 03 10:49:41 <steliosk> yeah its more bussiness less or no fun usually...
Jun 03 10:50:17 <steliosk> although i hope if time (and money permits) to spend a weekend in Vegas :)
Jun 03 10:50:23 <Crofton> heh
Jun 03 10:50:46 <Crofton> I like Vegas, but only because you can stay in funny places and go hiking in the desert easily
Jun 03 10:50:56 <Crofton> or mountains
Jun 03 10:51:34 <steliosk> i'd like to do the ballon tour if its still availiable  (flight at night over Vegas)
Jun 03 10:52:06 <Crofton> http://www.balister.org/~balister/Vegas05/
Jun 03 10:54:52 <nauj27> hi all
Jun 03 10:55:54 <polyonymous_> What might be causing that? File "<bb>", line 32, in package_qa_check_rdepends
Jun 03 10:55:54 <polyonymous_> NameError: global name 'name' is not defined
Jun 03 10:56:12 <steliosk> Crofton : 2599 is funny.... especially the 3rd item that is not allowed :)
Jun 03 10:57:21 <Crofton> heh
Jun 03 10:57:47 <Crofton> somewhere I have a picture in the Denver airport declaring no fireworks
Jun 03 10:58:54 <steliosk> Crofton : last time i wend to Vegas i drove from SF
Jun 03 10:59:10 <Crofton> that must be a nice drive
Jun 03 10:59:17 <Crofton> I have driven there from LA
Jun 03 10:59:19 <polyonymous> looks like a bug in insane.
Jun 03 10:59:38 <Crofton> in an 8 cyclinder THunderbird rental
Jun 03 11:00:28 <steliosk> Crofton : yeah and i figured out why cars in the US have speed control in the wheel.... you get tired pressing the gas pedal at exactly the same position for so long :)
Jun 03 11:01:20 <Crofton> yeah
Jun 03 11:03:46 <steliosk> launch time...
Jun 03 11:42:49 <polyonymous> koen|away, ping?
Jun 03 12:31:26 <CoreDump|home> hrw|gone: ping
Jun 03 12:31:48 <CoreDump|home> morning
Jun 03 12:57:20 <koen> polyonymous: pong
Jun 03 12:57:29 <polyonymous> just in time :)
Jun 03 12:57:48 <polyonymous> koen, I have a insane.bbclassophobia, so I wanted you to take a look before comitting
Jun 03 12:57:53 <polyonymous> http://rafb.net/p/slWgfP79.html
Jun 03 12:58:21 <polyonymous> that is, it was failing with NameError: global name 'name' is not defined
Jun 03 12:58:33 <polyonymous> And this class scares the hell out of me :)
Jun 03 12:58:34 <koen> the patch looks ok
Jun 03 12:58:40 <polyonymous> Good, thanks.
Jun 03 12:58:54 <polyonymous> I'm trying to make a qt4.3.0. bb
Jun 03 12:59:02 <polyonymous> (x-one)
Jun 03 12:59:21 <koen> nice
Jun 03 12:59:32 <CIA-3> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rebd1e2a6... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): pidgin: update to 2.0.1
Jun 03 12:59:43 <polyonymous> Basically, it's almost done, except for broken .pc files.
Jun 03 13:00:13 <polyonymous> I take it, it's safe to commit, since 4.2.0 doesn't build for me, anyway.
Jun 03 13:00:39 * koen would like qt4/x11 in the angstrom feeds
Jun 03 13:01:09 <polyonymous> So would I. I was going to try to build opie-reader for x. And I will try to, once I get qt4
Jun 03 13:03:38 <CIA-3> 03polyonymous 07org.oe.dev * rdb7ab968... 10/ (1 classes/insane.bbclass): classes/insane: fixed a bug with undefined 'name' and improved output a bit.
Jun 03 13:06:26 <Laibsch> koen: Is it safe to push stuff to the feeds now?
Jun 03 13:06:49 <koen> depends on what the stuff is
Jun 03 13:07:16 <Laibsch> koen: You said the scripts were generally broken.  That is what my question is about.
Jun 03 13:15:23 <Laibsch> Is it possible to transfer files or connect to the Internet over the serial cable from the Zaurus?  I assume yes, but have yet to find out how.
Jun 03 13:15:58 <koen> minicom and cu should be able to do it, but I never succeeded in doing it
Jun 03 13:16:01 <polyonymous> over ppp, I think.
Jun 03 13:16:25 <koen> ipkg install ppp-dialin first :)
Jun 03 13:16:45 <polyonymous> I don't think minicom/cu would connect you to the net. But they may be of help for transferring files.
Jun 03 13:16:53 <Laibsch> hm
Jun 03 13:16:58 <steliosk> can anyone try to dowload a fresh copy of clamsmtp and see if it fails md5 checksums check ?
Jun 03 13:17:15 <polyonymous> Laibsch, I wouldn't recommend it, you will waste a lot of time on it and the achievement doesn't really worth it.
Jun 03 13:18:55 <Laibsch> polyonymous: I come to the same conclusion
Jun 03 13:19:00 <Laibsch> unfortunately
Jun 03 13:19:21 <Laibsch> WLAN does not work OOTB.  And encryption is even worse.
Jun 03 13:19:40 <polyonymous> Can't test my wlan anymore - my card has physically died.
Jun 03 13:19:47 <polyonymous> I only do usbnet/bluetooth.
Jun 03 13:20:05 <polyonymous> Both work, although pairing bluetooth for opie image isn't easy :)
Jun 03 13:20:12 * koen <3 bluetooth
Jun 03 13:20:23 <polyonymous> <3?
Jun 03 13:20:55 <koen> tilt your head 90 degrees to the right
Jun 03 13:21:05 <polyonymous> ah
Jun 03 13:21:18 <polyonymous> I was tilting to the left and seeing an arse :)
Jun 03 13:21:24 <koen> :D
Jun 03 13:21:57 <polyonymous> bt supposedly takes up less battery, than wlan, although I haven't ever tested it.
Jun 03 13:22:06 <steliosk> clamsmtp error -> http://rafb.net/p/8mWeyl38.html
Jun 03 13:22:10 <polyonymous> and we need a better bt config stuff.
Jun 03 13:23:09 <koen> polyonymous: bluez-gnome is a good start
Jun 03 13:23:16 <polyonymous> stefan_schmidt, gentoo portage tree thinks 04da6aab94934641fcf9e7a7598346fb
Jun 03 13:23:21 <polyonymous> ooops
Jun 03 13:23:24 <polyonymous> steliosk, ^^
Jun 03 13:23:38 <koen> polyonymous: I'm planning to put bluez-utils 3.11 in the feeds next week
Jun 03 13:23:39 <polyonymous> koen, no, I mean low-level. Like hciattaching serial-cs
Jun 03 13:24:14 <polyonymous> koen, http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740#c8
Jun 03 13:24:37 <koen> polyonymous: hciattach is moving to dbus AFAIK
Jun 03 13:24:57 <polyonymous> to dbus? what does it have to do with dbus?
Jun 03 13:25:04 <steliosk> polyonymous : I think the source file tar is broken
Jun 03 13:25:14 <polyonymous> steliosk, I think checksum.ini is.
Jun 03 13:25:30 <polyonymous> oh no
Jun 03 13:25:41 <polyonymous> steliosk, of course tarball seems to be broken.
Jun 03 13:26:23 <polyonymous> steliosk, but I don't have the old one. Maybe you should file a bug.
Jun 03 13:26:46 <steliosk> can someone try to download also, to verify that's not my net connection or something
Jun 03 13:27:01 <polyonymous> steliosk, after my qt4 build fails :)
Jun 03 13:27:19 <Laibsch> steliosk: I am loading right now
Jun 03 13:27:58 <steliosk> there is a also a 1.9 out but fails to build looking for some config file that's missing
Jun 03 13:28:46 <koen> polyonymous: you can send a dbus message to hcid and it will attach to the serial port
Jun 03 13:29:08 <koen> polyonymous: no more 'killall hciattach && hciattach /dev/foo'
Jun 03 13:29:34 <polyonymous> Does hciattach attaches hcid to the device? Or something low-level like irattach?
Jun 03 13:30:02 <polyonymous> I thought the latter, but it's been a while since I really explored the problem. I think it attaches hci-uart to serial, though.
Jun 03 13:30:16 <koen> something like that
Jun 03 13:30:26 <koen> ~seen holtmann
Jun 03 13:30:46 <polyonymous> Then you mean it moves to hci and controlled via dbus... hmm...
Jun 03 13:30:48 <ibot> holtmann <n=holtmann@nikita.holtmann.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 9d 22h 20m 26s ago, saying: 'koen: bluez-libs-3.11 and bluez-utils-3.11 are out.'.
Jun 03 13:32:01 <polyonymous> org.bluez.Manager doesn't seem to have corresponding methods, though.
Jun 03 13:32:23 <koen> right, that's why I wanted to talk to marcel
Jun 03 13:32:35 <koen> he mentioned it's being planned
Jun 03 13:32:54 <polyonymous> Well, then it makes sense to wait and see.
Jun 03 13:33:25 <koen> but my point: any bluetooth config ui should use dbus
Jun 03 13:33:34 <koen> I heard the qtopia4 one is pretty neat
Jun 03 13:34:08 <polyonymous> maybe. I'm not sure about this one, though. It's quite low-level.
Jun 03 13:34:18 <polyonymous> On the other hand there's nothing wrong with it either.
Jun 03 13:36:56 <Laibsch> steliosk: Same result here
Jun 03 13:37:21 <polyonymous> so they've changed tarball after release. Need to get a hold of someone with the old file
Jun 03 13:37:25 <steliosk> ok. i have send an email to the clamsmtp devs
Jun 03 13:37:38 <polyonymous> or that
Jun 03 13:37:55 <steliosk> do we need to add a bug in out bugtracker also ?
Jun 03 13:38:19 <polyonymous> unless they get the old file back up
Jun 03 13:38:27 <Laibsch> steliosk: There is a doc in the wiki
Jun 03 13:39:04 <Laibsch> http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/UpdateChecksumsIni
Jun 03 13:39:48 <polyonymous> wouldn't mtn annotate do?
Jun 03 13:39:57 <steliosk> Laibsch : The source tar ball is broken. If you try to untar it you get an error, that why the md5 don't match
Jun 03 13:40:42 <polyonymous> steliosk, then most likely we don't need a bug. unless it's an upgrade bug :)
Jun 03 14:00:08 <artem> people help me.... i have a problem.... my programm is running on xserver-kdrive (created with the help of  FLTK)... Widgets are not getting focus...
Jun 03 14:00:23 <artem> Xfbdev
Jun 03 14:18:19 <Laibsch> I have problems with building sysvinit.  It seems to work for others.  Rather than cleaning out tmp, I removed stamps to force a rebuild.  But it seems this does not do much
Jun 03 14:19:09 <Laibsch> For example, I removed the stamps for libtool-native.  sysvinit depends on libtool-native but even after I removed the stamps for litbootl-native it is not being rebuilt
Jun 03 14:19:13 <Laibsch> Why is that?
Jun 03 14:23:41 <Crofton|laptop> my latest FC6 updates include busybox to satisfy a dependency ....
Jun 03 14:30:57 <CoreDump|home> muwahaha
Jun 03 14:31:32 * CoreDump|home just implemented Debians wpa configuration via /etc/network/interfaces in Angstrom
Jun 03 14:32:57 <Crofton_> I need to talk the guy in the list into using Angstrom on his OSK
Jun 03 14:32:58 <koen> and people said being debian-based is no-good
Jun 03 14:33:18 <koen> Crofton_: just say something like 'generic is broken for osk' ;)
Jun 03 14:33:26 <Crofton_> heh
Jun 03 14:33:34 <Crofton_> I ahve talked to this guy b4 I think
Jun 03 14:33:38 * koen just realises he forgot to bring his charger
Jun 03 14:33:42 <Crofton_> need to go through my email folders
Jun 03 14:33:55 * Crofton_ 's charger is falling apart
Jun 03 14:34:02 <Crofton_> new one is in the mail though
Jun 03 14:34:13 <Crofton_> I think he is interested in SDR
Jun 03 14:34:33 <koen> bibble is sucking up CPU :(
Jun 03 14:34:43 <Crofton_> bibble?
Jun 03 14:35:20 <Crofton_> photo stuff?
Jun 03 14:35:31 <koen> yes
Jun 03 14:35:44 <chouimat> morning
Jun 03 14:35:49 <koen> http://www.bibblelabs.com/
Jun 03 14:35:54 <koen> hey chouimat 
Jun 03 14:39:22 <bipolar> good morning chouimat
Jun 03 14:40:10 * chouimat decides to compile kde4 today
Jun 03 14:41:29 <bipolar> chouimat: good luck! :)
Jun 03 14:41:43 * koen implements an rmall task to rm_work
Jun 03 14:41:45 <bipolar> there is a lot of breakage right now as I understand it.
Jun 03 14:42:14 <bipolar> and the alpha 1 that was released is too old to compile on QT4.3 :P
Jun 03 14:42:26 <chouimat> bipolar: F*CK
Jun 03 14:42:30 <chouimat> sorry ;)
Jun 03 14:42:43 <bipolar> chouimat: try it anyway and report :)
Jun 03 14:43:08 <bipolar> chouimat: Kde doesn't take as long to build as QT does anyway
Jun 03 14:43:59 <chouimat> bipolar: it's why I'm setup to use this on 5 computers http://en.opensuse.org/Icecream
Jun 03 14:45:04 <bipolar> chouimat: hehe... you should be fine then
Jun 03 14:45:14 <koen> polyonymous: don't be afraid to commit WIP recipes for qt 4.3.0
Jun 03 14:45:15 * bipolar just has his laptop and remote dev machine
Jun 03 14:45:24 <Crofton_> why is gaim now pidgin?
Jun 03 14:45:42 <bipolar> Crofton_: trademark dispute
Jun 03 14:45:51 <bipolar> Crofton_: AIM = AOL
Jun 03 14:46:32 <chouimat> bipolar: I'm currently thinking of modifying some part of the icecream code (basicly reducing the minimum free memory) so I can add my 2 p200mmx and the slug (just for the fun of it)
Jun 03 14:46:33 <bipolar> Crofton_: aparently there have been discussions between gaim and aol lawyers for a long time before the change.
Jun 03 14:46:43 <Crofton_> heh
Jun 03 14:46:46 <bipolar> chouimat: hahah
Jun 03 14:46:53 <Crofton_> AHole
Jun 03 14:47:04 <bipolar> :)
Jun 03 14:47:35 <bipolar> AOhell
Jun 03 14:53:59 <Crofton> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAE-irJtZnk
Jun 03 14:57:32 <bipolar> Crofton: wow... how... weird
Jun 03 14:57:40 <Crofton> yes
Jun 03 14:57:55 <bipolar> I feel no need to watch it again though.... :P
Jun 03 14:59:25 <Crofton> http://www.balister.org/~balister/embedded_desk.jpg
Jun 03 14:59:31 <Crofton> cleaning out the camera :)
Jun 03 15:00:11 <Crofton> it will be slow, backing up my email through that line also
Jun 03 15:01:51 <bipolar> Crofton: hehe... the functional rats nest, eh?
Jun 03 15:02:01 <Crofton> sort off
Jun 03 15:02:23 <Crofton> working on getting the efika and the sk to work with the usrp as a software radio
Jun 03 15:02:31 <Crofton> and a few other boards lying around :)
Jun 03 15:03:08 <Crofton> everything with a CPU is running Angstrom
Jun 03 15:04:49 <bipolar> I need to look into angstrom
Jun 03 15:05:13 * chouimat wonders how angstrom for the slug is 
Jun 03 15:05:46 <steliosk> dhdbd also fails checksums -> http://rafb.net/p/ZFPMB780.html could someone verify it ?
Jun 03 15:06:00 <steliosk> dhcdbd
Jun 03 15:09:02 <chouimat> http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/default.aspx?id=9d42cafc-7f09-4ad6-a0f1-7ab4a2ea1bd0 http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/default.aspx?id=0cd110e5-eef0-4ea8-a837-0e26e1c694e4
Jun 03 15:13:04 <bipolar> Cool... there's an angstrom image for the n800
Jun 03 15:13:11 <bipolar> I wonder how well it works.
Jun 03 15:13:26 <Crofton> who are the machine mentor/testers?
Jun 03 15:16:42 <bipolar> Crofton: havn't been able to find out
Jun 03 15:17:07 <Crofton> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/machine-mentors
Jun 03 15:17:23 <Crofton> Koen is a tester
Jun 03 15:17:29 <bipolar> yeah. no mentors
Jun 03 15:18:03 <bipolar> I wonder how the hardware support is
Jun 03 15:18:26 <bipolar> koen logged off. I'll ask him when he comes back
Jun 03 16:21:42 <CIA-3> 03coredump2 07org.oe.dev * ra9a7321b... 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 
Jun 03 16:21:42 <CIA-3> wpa-supplicant: Replace /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf with the Debian way to handle WPA:
Jun 03 16:21:42 <CIA-3> - All configuration is done via /etc/network/interfaces (similiar to WEP)
Jun 03 16:21:42 <CIA-3> - /etc/init.d/wpa is no longer needed
Jun 03 16:21:42 <CIA-3> - wpa_supplicant is launched on ifup with the settings from /e/n/interfaces
Jun 03 16:54:33 <polyonymous> koen|away, I'll commit my first take in a qt-build-time.
Jun 03 16:56:30 * chouimat is compiling PyQt4 
Jun 03 16:57:30 <polyonymous> chouimat, do you have buildable qt4? qt4.1 (or whatever that was) failed to build for me.
Jun 03 16:57:55 <chouimat> polyonymous: In OE? no 
Jun 03 16:57:59 <polyonymous> ahh ok.
Jun 03 16:58:15 <polyonymous> I asked because if you did, I'd set defpref before comitting.
Jun 03 17:23:56 <CIA-3> 03polyonymous 07org.oe.dev * r57d4e824... 10/ (1 conf/checksums.ini): conf/checksums.ini: added checksum for qt 4.3.0
Jun 03 17:24:05 <CIA-3> 03polyonymous 07org.oe.dev * rb86b0de4... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): uicmoc4-native: bumped version to 4.3.0
Jun 03 17:24:15 <CIA-3> 03polyonymous 07org.oe.dev * r1148519c... 10/ (14 files in 4 dirs): qt4-x11: first attempt on 4.3
Jun 03 17:51:46 <polyonymous> heh http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/diff.psp?id1=b86b0de4d0eae8c130e46f120479500fd847590d&id2=1148519cf275bdcfec2316943f619ee01b72ad0c&fname=packages/qt/qt4-x11-free-4.3.0/0001-cross-compile.patch
Jun 03 17:53:53 <bipolar> polyonymous: :)
Jun 03 17:54:42 <summatusmentis> can someone point me in the right direction http://pastebin.ca/534131 ?
Jun 03 18:01:47 <Crofton> steliosk, did you get an EFIKA from the dev program?
Jun 03 18:03:26 <summatusmentis> is anyone else having problems building libxml2?
Jun 03 18:16:04 <Crofton> koen, did you see this?
Jun 03 18:16:05 <Crofton> http://www.balister.org/~balister/embedded_desk.jpg
Jun 03 18:18:22 * koen looks
Jun 03 18:18:42 <Crofton> somewhere in the mess is a software radio transmitter :)
Jun 03 18:18:46 <summatusmentis> Crofton++
Jun 03 18:19:00 <Crofton> running Angstrom
Jun 03 18:21:14 <koen> summatusmentis: it seems somehow libiconv got built and polluted your staging
Jun 03 18:21:28 <bipolar> koen: how well does Angstrom work on the n800? is the wifi and such suported?
Jun 03 18:21:46 <koen> not very well, not at this moment
Jun 03 18:21:51 <koen> wifi == binary only kernel module
Jun 03 18:21:56 <bipolar> ah, ouch
Jun 03 18:22:12 <koen> Crofton: I managed to capture this today: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=527754464&size=l
Jun 03 18:22:37 <koen> So it did something related to the bugdays ;)
Jun 03 18:22:50 <Crofton> very cool
Jun 03 18:23:22 <Crofton> honey bee? Hard to tell at that scale
Jun 03 18:23:54 <summatusmentis> koen: I thoiught it needed libiconv.... is there a way to get rid of it?
Jun 03 18:24:24 <koen> summatusmentis: 99% of the programs can use the iconv provided by glibc
Jun 03 18:24:36 <RP> koen: It is possible to recompile the binary module if you have a copy from a live n800...
Jun 03 18:24:59 <RP> Of course distribution of such that module would be rather dubious :/
Jun 03 18:25:00 <koen> you need to delete the wrong libiconv.so* and iconv.h
Jun 03 18:25:01 <summatusmentis> koen: ok, do I just bitbake -c clean iconv?
Jun 03 18:25:06 <summatusmentis> oh, ok
Jun 03 18:25:08 <RP> morning all btw :)
Jun 03 18:25:19 <bipolar> RP: you mean you can copy the binary, not recomplie it, right?
Jun 03 18:25:24 <koen> good morning RP
Jun 03 18:25:43 <RP> bipolar: You need to recompile bits of it to be exact, like the versioning information
Jun 03 18:25:47 <koen> bipolar: get the binary, mark some symbols as weak and relink (or something close to it)
Jun 03 18:26:04 <RP> I found a way to avoid marking them as weak :)
Jun 03 18:26:19 <bipolar> ah
Jun 03 18:26:20 <bipolar> ok
Jun 03 18:27:54 <RP> ~pastebin
Jun 03 18:27:58 <ibot> from memory, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try  http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well
Jun 03 18:29:30 <RP> bipolar, koen: http://rafb.net/p/OyU8PS44.html
Jun 03 18:31:21 <bipolar> RP: good work :)
Jun 03 18:32:33 <CoreDump|home> LICENSE = "GPL" ;)
Jun 03 18:33:00 <RP> Yes, I'd remove that ;-)
Jun 03 18:36:47 <summatusmentis> koen: how do I tell which ones are the 'wrong' ones?
Jun 03 18:51:11 <bipolar> huray for netsplits
Jun 03 18:54:32 <koen> steeeenking netsplits
Jun 03 18:55:28 <koen> as I was saying, hilarious thread: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=24113&hl=
Jun 03 18:55:37 * koen thinks those people need OE
Jun 03 19:06:45 * chouimat wants an avr32 emulator :)
Jun 03 19:18:08 <chouimat|nap> http://xkcd.com/c269.html
Jun 03 19:18:59 <koen> chouimat|nap: I want avr32 boards :)
Jun 03 19:19:22 <chouimat|nap> koen me too but need more $$$ before :)
Jun 03 19:19:46 <chouimat|nap> koen I think I will get a PS3 before the avr32 board 
Jun 03 19:20:21 * koen thinks OE needs to poke sony for some PS3s
Jun 03 19:20:35 <Crofton> yay
Jun 03 19:20:52 <chouimat|nap> koen from qemu commits: One day we might support MIPS16...
Jun 03 19:21:21 <Jin^eLD> PS3... don't remind me... had to add some extra stuff to make their UPnP client imeplementation work with my server
Jun 03 19:21:48 <Jin^eLD> each manufacturer manages to screw up something when it comes to upnp mediarenderer implementation
Jun 03 19:21:57 * koen is still fighting with atmels gcc
Jun 03 19:22:15 <Crofton> grrr, this may the end of the laptop power cable ....
Jun 03 19:22:20 <Crofton> off to the lab
Jun 03 19:37:35 <mmp> koen: do you mean avr-gcc?
Jun 03 19:38:09 <koen> mmp: avr32-gcc sources
Jun 03 19:38:18 <koen> it seems they botched a few uclibc patches
Jun 03 19:39:08 <mmp> ahh, I forgot they already have 32bit architecture:)
Jun 03 19:41:47 <koen> avr32 is almost supported in OE :)
Jun 03 19:41:58 <koen> it gets to gcc-cross and fails
Jun 03 19:42:10 <koen> but you can use gcc-cross-initial to compile stuff
Jun 03 19:49:52 <mmp> koen: hmm, sounds promising:) I have not heard much about that arch, but seems it might compete ARM?
Jun 03 19:50:06 <mmp> at least market is roughly the same... .
Jun 03 19:54:58 <koen> mmp: yeah, they claim better performance at lower power
Jun 03 19:55:09 <koen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVR32
Jun 03 19:55:41 <mmp> grr, patented ISA
Jun 03 19:55:44 <koen> mmp: their patches have stuff like this: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/fun-with-vendor-patches
Jun 03 19:56:45 <mmp> but the devboard looks nice:)
Jun 03 19:57:06 <koen> I hope to get the stk1000 soon
Jun 03 19:58:41 <mmp> :) Nice board.
Jun 03 19:59:00 <mmp> Hmm, I wonder if there ever will be some free CPU design for mobile applications...
Jun 03 19:59:47 <Crofton> ok
Jun 03 19:59:56 <koen> Crofton: power?
Jun 03 19:59:57 <Crofton> Now I have a "more reliable" power cable
Jun 03 20:00:02 <Crofton> yeah
Jun 03 20:00:10 <Crofton> the wires had broken internally
Jun 03 20:00:27 <Crofton> one is on the way, but to much wiggling was needed to keep this one going
Jun 03 20:00:45 * koen hands Crofton a  leatherman and a roll of gaffa tape
Jun 03 20:00:49 <Crofton> So I went in the lab and did a bad solder hack job
Jun 03 20:22:52 <chouimat|nap> koen how much is the stk1000?
Jun 03 20:23:01 <koen> $499
Jun 03 20:23:09 <koen> the avr32 gateway is $69
Jun 03 20:23:16 <koen> (USD)
Jun 03 20:24:06 <chouimat|nap> koen not nad
Jun 03 20:25:07 <koen> libQtCore.so.4.3.0:          ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped :D
Jun 03 20:25:12 <koen> ~hail polyonymous 
Jun 03 20:25:16 <Crofton> enough work
Jun 03 20:25:23 * ibot bows down to polyonymous and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
Jun 03 20:25:23 <Crofton> I am going home
Jun 03 20:26:56 <polyonymous> koen, tried to build anything against it yet? I haven't yet.
Jun 03 20:27:04 <koen> it's still buildimg
Jun 03 20:27:17 <koen> does it package the demos?
Jun 03 20:27:18 * polyonymous is baking angstrom-x11-image at the moment.
Jun 03 20:27:29 <polyonymous> I think it does, although I haven't checked all the packages contents.
Jun 03 20:28:25 <polyonymous> koen, http://rafb.net/p/v4kWuH13.html
Jun 03 20:28:27 <koen> btw, evas got some schweet arm speedups in cvs last night
Jun 03 20:29:25 <polyonymous> ah
Jun 03 20:29:26 * chouimat wants tomorrow morning to be here fast ... I want those stitches removed
Jun 03 20:29:39 <polyonymous> |       |   |-- qmake -> /home/hacker/OE/angstrom/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/bin/qmake2 ;-)
Jun 03 20:30:08 <polyonymous> not that -dev is of highest importance, but still.
Jun 03 20:34:03 <koen> I usually do somthing like mv ${D}${STAGING}<foo> {D} in do_install_append
Jun 03 20:36:11 <polyonymous> koen, I haven't been doing the .bb from scratch, and I was trying not to touch existing stuff as much as possible. I realize that this may not be the best idea ever, but we're always free to change it :)
Jun 03 20:36:26 <koen> :)
Jun 03 20:40:57 <koen> qt4 takes eons to compile
Jun 03 20:41:10 <polyonymous> yes.
Jun 03 20:41:27 <polyonymous> so don't compile it on handheld :)
Jun 03 20:41:51 <koen> dual opteron with 2GB of ram and u320 disks?
Jun 03 20:42:07 <polyonymous> is that a handheld specs? :)
Jun 03 20:42:27 <koen> it has handles :)
Jun 03 20:42:38 <polyonymous> I have amd64x2/2G don't remember what disks, but there wasn't much disk activity.
Jun 03 20:42:54 <polyonymous> and I think it's 4800+
Jun 03 20:43:35 <polyonymous> cpu MHz         : 2210.185  bogomips        : 4424.15
Jun 03 20:43:47 <polyonymous> still takes ages.
Jun 03 20:45:35 <polyonymous> task ~1400 of ~3500. Will take a while till I get to run x11 now. Shouldn't have wiped tmp :)
Jun 03 20:45:43 <chouimat> koen icecream (svn) will help you a lot because it has pch support and it help a lot for qt4.3 :)
Jun 03 20:46:43 <polyonymous> what's icecream? I think gcc has pch and I think qt supports it. The question, though (and a good one), if it's enabled in OE build.
Jun 03 20:46:54 <chouimat> http://en.opensuse.org/Icecream
Jun 03 20:47:26 <polyonymous> opensuse doesn't sound encouraging, but lemme read.
Jun 03 20:48:14 <polyonymous> ah speaking of distcc, I've been wondering if it's possible to stick it into oe somehow... (I do not see the easy way, though)
Jun 03 20:49:41 <chouimat> polyonymous: oe support icecream 
Jun 03 20:49:55 <polyonymous> ah really? Should look into that then.
Jun 03 21:36:45 <Zero_Chaos> 2361 and 2368 have been ready for commit for almost a week... anyway I could intice someone to handle that?
Jun 03 21:44:00 <polyonymous> a week is not a long time :) Anyway, you need someone with wlan iirc what these bugs are about :)
Jun 03 21:46:26 <Crofton> Zero_Chaos, I'll prod some of the guys that might be comfortable pushing those in the monring
Jun 03 21:46:32 <Crofton> everyone is asleep now
Jun 03 21:46:59 <Zero_Chaos> Crofton: yeah I know, I don't live in Australia.
Jun 03 21:47:06 <Crofton> heh
Jun 03 21:47:07 <Zero_Chaos> Crofton: it's akward ;-)
Jun 03 21:47:18 <Crofton> most of the more general guys are in EU
Jun 03 21:47:27 <Crofton> where are you?
Jun 03 21:47:48 <Zero_Chaos> USA
Jun 03 21:47:56 <Crofton> whcih time zone?
Jun 03 21:47:59 <Crofton> EDT here
Jun 03 21:48:24 <Zero_Chaos> with our odd time change, I think it is GMT-4, but usually GMT-5 (EST)
Jun 03 21:48:30 <Crofton> ok
Jun 03 21:49:01 <Crofton> I am not familar at all with the bugs
Jun 03 21:49:44 <Zero_Chaos> Crofton: it's not bugs, it's two enhancements for things I am maintainer for, just adding new versions.
Jun 03 21:50:24 <Crofton> I stick pretty much in the OMAP/Efika area
Jun 03 21:50:33 <Crofton> I do not push stuff I can't test
Jun 03 21:50:59 <Zero_Chaos> it's no problem, I was just saying
Jun 03 21:51:08 <Zero_Chaos> apparently no one will push for me any more ;-)
Jun 03 21:51:14 <Crofton> I'll try and pay a little attention
Jun 03 21:51:43 <polyonymous> Zero_Chaos, send me a wlan card and I'll test and push :))
Jun 03 21:51:47 <Zero_Chaos> no worries.  I just get a bit frustrated when I spend a while making cool stuff work and no one ever commits it.
Jun 03 21:51:54 <Zero_Chaos> polyonymous: yeah, sorry but no
Jun 03 21:52:05 <polyonymous> Zero_Chaos, and if you pay shipping I'll even send it back to you :)
Jun 03 21:52:24 <polyonymous> I can come up with more weird ideas if you want me to :))
Jun 03 21:52:25 <Zero_Chaos> polyonymous: it is actually more complicated than that for Zaurus models ;-)
Jun 03 21:52:38 <polyonymous> whaddyamean?
Jun 03 21:52:57 <Zero_Chaos> polyonymous: it's an unpowered usb port, you need a powered hub or a power injector
Jun 03 21:53:05 <Crofton> well back to house work
Jun 03 21:53:16 <polyonymous> Zero_Chaos, ah, I used cf card.
Jun 03 21:53:39 <polyonymous> in fact, I do have usb wlan, but no active hub.
Jun 03 21:53:42 <Zero_Chaos> polyonymous: for .11g cards you must use usb
Jun 03 21:54:02 <polyonymous> besides, using the usb card would leave my wife with no network :))
Jun 03 21:54:21 <polyonymous> Well, I'm content with .11b on Z :)
Jun 03 21:54:51 <Zero_Chaos> polyonymous: I'm a wireless network hacker by trade, so content with .11b is not possible
Jun 03 21:57:16 <polyonymous> Zero_Chaos, it's your choice :)
Jun 03 21:58:52 <XorA|gone> Zero_Chaos: zaurus USB is not unpowered
Jun 03 21:59:19 <Zero_Chaos> XorA|gone: 100mA is unpowered
Jun 03 21:59:20 <polyonymous> then it's lowpowered.
Jun 03 21:59:33 <XorA|gone> Zero_Chaos: its enough to run a lot of usb stuff
Jun 03 21:59:53 <Zero_Chaos> XorA|gone: it wouldn't run my thumb drive without added power, that's pretty damn low
Jun 03 22:00:09 <XorA|gone> Zero_Chaos: runs my thumb drive, mouse keyboard, bluetooth
Jun 03 22:00:18 <polyonymous> didn't run my cardreader.
Jun 03 22:00:42 <Zero_Chaos> XorA|gone: I guess all my stuff just needs more power.... point is, it is very low power and 100mA is technically considered unpowered
Jun 03 22:01:03 <polyonymous> you're not going to fight over it, are you? :)
Jun 03 22:01:24 * Zero_Chaos slaps XorA|gone with a glove
Jun 03 22:01:40 <polyonymous> I made a great suggestion :)
Jun 03 22:03:05 * XorA|gone zaps Zero_Chaos with a megawatt 802.11G transmitter
Jun 03 22:03:27 <Zero_Chaos> XorA|gone: ow, my sperm
Jun 03 22:05:25 <Laibsch> XorA|gone: How do I stop cu? Ctrl+c won't do it
Jun 03 22:05:56 <polyonymous> Laibsch, ~. or something like that
Jun 03 22:08:39 <XorA|gone> Laibsch: ~.
Jun 03 22:08:41 <XorA|gone> then ctrl c
Jun 03 22:08:46 <XorA|gone> Laibsch: same as ssh
Jun 03 22:08:50 <Laibsch> Yeah, right.  Now that you say it, I remember that I had already looked that up in the man page.  Heheh
Jun 03 22:09:01 <polyonymous> XorA|gone, I'd say ssh the same as cu :)
Jun 03 22:09:05 <Laibsch> XorA|gone: ssh reacts to ctrl+c I think
Jun 03 22:09:12 <polyonymous> Laibsch, no way.
Jun 03 22:09:18 <polyonymous> Laibsch, it sends signal to remote.
Jun 03 22:09:53 * Laibsch does not know what he is talking about as usual
Jun 03 22:09:54 <Laibsch> ;-)
Jun 03 22:10:02 <Laibsch> I just babble
Jun 03 22:10:14 <polyonymous> that's okay :)
Jun 03 22:10:58 <polyonymous> Running task 2649 of 3597 :-( Guess I won't have my image today.
Jun 03 22:17:04 <XorA|gone> Laibsch: BTW its end of July before Ill see RP
Jun 03 22:21:09 <Laibsch> I thought you would meet at this conference in Scotland or wherever on the island that is going to happen soon
Jun 03 22:21:12 <Laibsch> Guadec?
Jun 03 22:29:45 <XorA|gone> Laibsch: GUADEC is end of July
Jun 03 22:30:52 <Laibsch> Oh, I thought it was much sooner
Jun 03 22:31:01 <RP> I was wondering when I was seeing XorA|gone  :)
Jun 03 22:31:03 <polyonymous> time flies by, no worries :)
Jun 03 22:31:10 * RP hadn't got around to asking
Jun 03 22:31:39 <XorA|gone> RP: only if I dont see you first :-D
Jun 03 22:32:31 <XorA|gone> Laibsch: if you find out postage I can paypal you the cost
Jun 03 22:34:01 <RP> Laibsch: Same for me, I'm happy to meet that cost
Jun 03 22:34:27 <RP> It should cost the same for me as XorA|gone
Jun 03 22:35:32 <XorA|gone> RP: for next few months anyway, until we crazilly declare independance
Jun 03 22:35:50 <RP> XorA|gone: ;-)
Jun 03 22:35:53 <polyonymous> who's declaring independence from whom?
Jun 03 22:36:43 * RP lives in no mans land. Either accepted by both countries or rejected by both depending on your PoV :)
Jun 03 22:36:53 <RP> polyonymous: Soctland from England ;-)
Jun 03 22:37:14 <polyonymous> that would sound like a missing dependency :)
Jun 03 22:37:41 * RP wonders what happened to the U in UK
Jun 03 22:37:42 <polyonymous> living in no mans land sounds very appealing. I love it when there's no men :)
Jun 03 22:38:06 <polyonymous> would you suggest renaming it to 'K? :)
Jun 03 22:39:42 <RP> polyonymous: It doesn't have quite the same ring, does it...
Jun 03 22:39:58 <polyonymous> things change.
Jun 03 22:40:15 <XorA|gone> RP: unlikley luckilly because although the crazies are in charge they are a minority government
Jun 03 22:40:40 <polyonymous> majority is always the worst :)
Jun 03 22:40:44 <XorA|gone> polyonymous: KINGDOM always said in a Mortal Kombat voice
Jun 03 22:40:46 <RP> XorA|gone: Thankfully. It would make no sense at all
Jun 03 22:41:20 * RP takes heart that North East England overwhelmingly rejected the idea of a regional assembly
Jun 03 22:41:21 <XorA|gone> Laibsch: either that or if you are in amsterdam next week you can hand me them :-)
Jun 03 22:45:00 <polyonymous> 500 tasks to go...
Jun 03 22:45:40 <XorA|gone> anyway sleep time for me
Jun 03 22:45:45 <polyonymous> sleep well, then
Jun 03 22:46:45 <RP> 'night XorA|gone 
Jun 03 23:23:44 <jonsmith1982> just out of curiousity how would someone go about installing linux onto a pda? would it be re-programmed by the existing software? or would a chip need to be replaced ... etc ?
Jun 03 23:28:37 <ljp> bootloader needs to be replaced to one that can boot linux
Jun 03 23:35:04 <jonsmith1982> so it would be the existing software helping you to write the flash-rom(?) to the specifics needed to boot linux?
Jun 04 01:55:17 <CIA-3> 03mwester 07org.oe.dev * r10e786af... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
Jun 04 01:55:17 <CIA-3> turnup: updated to use the populate-volatile mechanism to manage /var
Jun 04 01:55:17 <CIA-3> when initializing a rootfs on disk, memstick, or nfs.
Jun 04 01:56:18 <summatusmentis> oh ablls, task 450o f 1260
Jun 04 01:56:18 <summatusmentis> kikillall amarokapp
Jun 04 02:27:18 <rshakin-opie> hey ppl
Jun 04 02:27:48 <summatusmentis> hi rshakin-opie 
Jun 04 02:28:37 <rshakin-opie> i was wondering if ndiswrapper is ported to openzarius
Jun 04 02:29:31 <rshakin-opie> i would google but no browser access
Jun 04 02:30:31 <summatusmentis> rshakin-opie: nope, it can't be, it's only for x86 CPUs
Jun 04 02:30:36 <summatusmentis> the Zaurus is an arm CPU
Jun 04 02:30:55 <summatusmentis> because windows drivers are only compiled for x86
Jun 04 02:31:32 <rshakin-opie> aga ok so anyone knows of a good wfi card that works better then ambicom
Jun 04 02:31:56 <rshakin-opie> on collie
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