**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 06 02:59:58 2007 Jun 06 05:23:03 is monotone.openembedded.org extra slow today, or is it just me? Jun 06 06:34:01 * * OE Bug 2422 has been created by hvontres@gmail.com Jun 06 06:34:03 * * bb file for altboot 1.0.9 pre-release Jun 06 06:34:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2422 Jun 06 06:34:59 mwester: cdbot just announced my new altboot creation :) Jun 06 06:59:18 my rootfs built successfully, thx Jun 06 07:09:30 good morning all Jun 06 07:10:17 morning koen Jun 06 07:26:01 morning Jun 06 07:36:04 good morning Jun 06 07:36:58 hey zecke Jun 06 07:39:42 moin Jun 06 07:52:28 morning Jun 06 07:55:08 hey hrw Jun 06 08:19:49 hi Jun 06 08:23:35 koen: good work with task-boot split Jun 06 08:23:48 one thing less on my todo Jun 06 08:24:08 you said "do it and send patch" :) Jun 06 08:25:30 ah yes. Jun 06 08:25:53 ~lart alsa-lib Jun 06 08:25:54 * ibot forces alsa-lib to use Outlook Express Jun 06 08:25:55 ~lart alsa-lib Jun 06 08:27:52 * XorA is sick of this crap Jun 06 08:29:03 XorA: poky has .14 if that makes you feel better Jun 06 08:29:37 koen: that wont fix the bolloxedness Jun 06 08:29:49 koen: when it randomly renames and hides controls Jun 06 08:29:58 koen: so I cant find the fucking ones I need Jun 06 08:30:01 cute Jun 06 08:30:35 ~lart neo1973 for just being the worlds most annoying project Jun 06 08:30:35 * ibot duct-tapes neo1973 to the floor and drools on him for just being the worlds most annoying project Jun 06 08:30:46 * XorA looks for something to destroy Jun 06 08:31:20 * koen hands XorA a UX1 Jun 06 08:31:29 heh heh Jun 06 08:32:34 XorA: they guy who did http://www.docbert.org/MP/ used a UX1 as his main computer on his trip to peru Jun 06 08:33:13 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r161ac9c7... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-efika_2.6.21+git.bb): inux-efika 2.6.21+git: add PV so it only gets rebuilt once per day Jun 06 08:33:44 koen: Id certainly sell all the Z's etc etc to afford one :-) Jun 06 08:34:14 question, Jun 06 08:34:26 the one I tried at Fry's felt nice, although I would foresee some frustation with the keyboard Jun 06 08:34:34 how to resolve "IP-Config: Failed to open eth0"? Jun 06 08:35:13 /me's board not using eeprom(phy) Jun 06 08:35:24 koen: no worse than the 3200 one I assume, and at least you can just plog a real keyboard in Jun 06 08:40:52 how to set MAC address for kernel? Jun 06 08:42:30 koen: Bloody hell, that's a serious pano... I've only ever gone up to 110mpix. Jun 06 08:46:01 koen: when you will run avr32 then we need to have post about AVR32 support on linuxdevices Jun 06 09:19:53 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r228ddc35... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-efika/defconfig): linux-efika: move git defconfig to unversioned directory Jun 06 09:26:37 ~lart libtool Jun 06 09:26:38 * ibot strangles libtool with a 9-pole serial cable Jun 06 09:27:03 * XorA chucks alsa at hrw while he is i na violent mood Jun 06 09:28:36 XorA: ;) Jun 06 09:29:31 3 levels of sound control is 2 levels too much.. Jun 06 09:29:42 Amarok -> PCM -> Master Jun 06 09:30:08 hrw: I think multimedia in linux is just a mess Jun 06 09:30:25 hrw: too many competing and non communicative projects Jun 06 09:31:10 too much of install randomframework-plugin for one app, that then doesnt work in another Jun 06 09:31:12 good said Jun 06 09:31:40 and as a bonus you have base of all multimedia (ffmpeg) not doing any releases Jun 06 09:31:47 thats why everyone ends up with mplayer, its one app that does all Jun 06 09:32:21 and suxx too Jun 06 09:32:33 and to be really confusing Kmplayer uses libxine by default Jun 06 09:33:21 * XorA wonders if he should just install OS-X Jun 06 09:36:13 something in OE creates /tmp/pkg-get-installed* files... Jun 06 09:36:20 host /tmp/ Jun 06 09:37:58 XorA: because mplayer is good enough Jun 06 09:38:13 ye Jun 06 09:38:15 s Jun 06 09:40:31 psokolovsky__: hi Jun 06 09:40:37 Hi! Jun 06 09:41:02 psokolovsky__: you had fingers in ipkg stuff.. do you know what creates /tmp/pkg-get-installed* files on host during do_rootfs()? Jun 06 09:41:54 hrw: hm, nope, don't remember noticing such files at all Jun 06 09:44:18 I have lot of them Jun 06 09:44:22 each package get one Jun 06 09:44:38 * koen hates today Jun 06 09:44:45 today always sucks Jun 06 09:44:49 I have to clean up my desk to make room for devboards Jun 06 09:44:59 found Jun 06 09:45:02 and spell check some uni work Jun 06 09:45:46 hrw@home:~/devel/build/progear/tmp/work/x86_64-linux/ipkg-native-0.99.164-r1/ipkg/C$ egrep pkg-get-install * -rI Jun 06 09:45:49 pkg.c: char* tmp_file_name = xstrdup("pkg-get-installed.XXXXXX"); Jun 06 09:49:18 hi everybody Jun 06 09:50:00 hey thesing Jun 06 09:50:09 hi thesing Jun 06 09:51:54 XorA: ask sean for a http://www.via.com.tw/en/resources/pressroom/pressrelease.jsp?press_release_no=1307 Jun 06 09:53:00 hrw: The 4G cards the user in #openzaurus had yesterday, where SDCH ones. They don't work ATM but they give no error. I think the current mmc-layer can't handle SDHC. Maybe it will work on 2.6.21. Jun 06 09:53:03 http://www.via.com.tw/en/initiatives/spearhead/nanobook/ for pictures Jun 06 09:53:17 thesing: want to have 2.6.21? Jun 06 09:53:19 koen: yeah saw them Jun 06 09:53:32 5 hours battery life, about the same as a Neo in suspend then Jun 06 09:54:56 XorA: something for you? Jun 06 09:55:11 hrw: what? Jun 06 09:55:21 that via stuff Jun 06 09:55:23 the screenslot is a nice iea, but I'd like a bigger display Jun 06 09:55:46 hrw: I always like me gadgets Jun 06 09:55:52 hrw: Yes of course. But RP has to port his patches first. I don't know if that already works in poky. Jun 06 09:56:01 * * OE Bug 2423 has been created by carbonfreeze@gmail.com Jun 06 09:56:03 * * Add .desktop file for mrxvt package Jun 06 09:56:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2423 Jun 06 09:56:05 thesing: poky has .21 working Jun 06 09:56:13 thesing: It works in poky Jun 06 09:56:30 * XorA notices a pattern to awake RP, just say the work poky 3 times Jun 06 09:56:51 who said it first? Jun 06 09:57:06 ah.. alsa ;) Jun 06 09:57:24 * XorA wonders if RP has a hook for a hand Jun 06 09:58:20 fscking ipkg Jun 06 09:58:50 * RP looks at his hands Jun 06 09:59:00 Ok. I will try my patches with this at home. Jun 06 10:00:57 * koen ponders about ANGSTROM_PACKAGE = "deb" Jun 06 10:04:22 psokolovsky_: found. it is regression in 0.99.164 ipkg Jun 06 10:04:57 heh Jun 06 10:10:27 Does anybody where I can find the irc logs? Jun 06 10:10:36 ~logs Jun 06 10:10:57 from memory, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org// where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/.html.gz Jun 06 10:11:18 Thanks. Jun 06 10:14:54 koen: are you on openmoko-devel ML? Jun 06 10:23:27 * XorA laughs at freaks who think he had a naming convention Jun 06 10:24:08 hrw: I think so Jun 06 10:25:33 koen: I want to propose org.openembedded.openmoko branch for openmoko team - with their devs having r/w to it (but not to other branches) Jun 06 10:25:58 koen: atleast cherrypicking would be possible to fix bugs in old snapshots Jun 06 10:26:36 branch without overlay, right? Jun 06 10:26:50 yes Jun 06 10:27:00 good idea Jun 06 10:27:13 ok. then I will write to openmoko-devel about it Jun 06 10:27:21 hrw: why not org.openmoko.dev branch? Jun 06 10:27:32 hrw: that seperates it in namespace from us Jun 06 10:27:49 hrw: and they can then stablise into org.openmoko.releaseXXXX Jun 06 10:27:56 thats option too Jun 06 10:28:16 and means openembedded gets less blame when bitbake takes 10 hours Jun 06 10:30:06 rwhitby: alive? Jun 06 10:31:13 Somone has a serious problem with working out which direction electrons flow in "There doesn't seem to be a capturebluetooth.state file so one could listen to system audio, for example internet radio, on a bluetooth headset." Jun 06 10:34:23 hrw: here now - was on the bus home Jun 06 10:34:47 * thesing goes to lunch. Jun 06 10:34:49 bbs Jun 06 10:34:53 * XorA is suprised that rwhitby doesnt have a mesh network of NSLU2 all over .au Jun 06 10:35:15 ok. Jun 06 10:35:54 hm.. sometimes I feel that we need #oe-private too Jun 06 10:36:12 hrw: why? Jun 06 10:36:15 hrw: not logged, or only for key holders members? Jun 06 10:36:22 XorA: second Jun 06 10:36:40 crink: there are things which need to be discussed in very limited team Jun 06 10:36:55 XorA: and first too ofcourse Jun 06 10:37:01 hrw: for example? Jun 06 10:37:10 crink: who we kill first :-) Jun 06 10:37:34 XorA: i don't know what you mean. Jun 06 10:37:36 :) Jun 06 10:37:45 crink: there are some Jun 06 10:37:55 hrw: is fine by me as long as it used for meeting type events, not as a closed forum to shut out people Jun 06 10:38:01 sure Jun 06 10:38:26 XorA: more quiet then openmoko-devel for sure :) Jun 06 10:39:02 hrw: that is for a different reason, openmoko-devel covers people in NDA so we can talk about stuff not allowed on other chans Jun 06 10:39:45 I know ;) Jun 06 10:40:03 but #oe-private would expose the CABAL Jun 06 10:40:09 :-D Jun 06 10:41:08 What CABAL? There is no CABAL! Jun 06 10:41:20 XorA: s/A/O/ maybe? Jun 06 10:41:55 hrw: I was trying to keep it a secret that bitbake 1.9 is COBOL Jun 06 10:44:11 pfeew Jun 06 10:44:18 that job is done Jun 06 10:44:52 koen: you finished the COBOL patch that quick? Jun 06 10:44:54 * koen eats some food before surveying the breakage Jun 06 10:44:56 #oe-thecabal Jun 06 10:46:18 hrw: did you catch my attention for a reason, or were you just concerned about my state of mortality in general? Jun 06 10:46:28 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rda99b108... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Jun 06 10:46:28 Angstrom: major rework of distro files: Jun 06 10:46:28 * Absorb OABI config into main distro (thanks to woglinde's python magic) Jun 06 10:46:28 * Group preferred providers and preferred versions as much as possible Jun 06 10:46:28 * Document entries a bit more Jun 06 10:46:38 ah sorry - had to discuss one thing first Jun 06 10:46:53 np Jun 06 10:47:14 XorA: my mesh only covers my home and workplace at the moment, but at work it's an NAS100d. Jun 06 10:51:10 reminds me, must investigate openvpn Jun 06 10:51:55 hrw: jabber conference rooms exist for a reason :) Jun 06 10:52:17 zecke: I use few since February Jun 06 10:54:12 hehe Jun 06 10:54:20 when did you start to work for o-hand? Jun 06 10:56:29 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf7b093b2... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1-oabi.conf): angstrom: delete oabi config, as it has no use anymore Jun 06 10:57:36 zecke: exactly Jun 06 10:58:27 time for ltg jabber server? Jun 06 10:59:43 JID: hrw@openembedded.org? Jun 06 11:03:20 XorA: I've been using OpenVPN for more than two years now Jun 06 11:06:30 PREFERRED_VERSION_hostap-modules ?= "0.4.7" Jun 06 11:06:33 koen: drop it Jun 06 11:06:54 hrw: needed for crappy ipaqs... Jun 06 11:07:18 koen: you mean 2.4 ones? Jun 06 11:07:31 no, ones with a broken hostap in the hh.org kernel Jun 06 11:07:48 someone thought it was a good idea to 'update' those a while ago Jun 06 11:07:51 ~lart hh.org again Jun 06 11:07:52 * ibot cats /dev/urandom into hh.org again's ear Jun 06 11:08:20 the 2.6.16-hh has broken hostap Jun 06 11:10:01 * * OE Bug 2424 has been created by carbonfreeze@gmail.com Jun 06 11:10:03 * * After reboot, FN/Home keys do not work on first gpe login Jun 06 11:10:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2424 Jun 06 11:10:12 koen: I would move gtk+ after glib/pango Jun 06 11:10:32 koen: set PREF_VER for atk too? Jun 06 11:10:38 good idea Jun 06 11:10:42 do you want to do it? Jun 06 11:11:31 I do not know which one you want Jun 06 11:11:43 I don't know either Jun 06 11:11:51 s/#use EABI toolchain/#use EABI ready toolchain Jun 06 11:12:46 koen: atk 1.10.3 (latest) Jun 06 11:16:50 hrw: atk-1.18.0 is fine. Jun 06 11:17:12 PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/xserver is set twice Jun 06 11:18:15 hi Jun 06 11:18:25 hi Jun 06 11:18:50 woglinde: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-commits/2007-June/005915.html Jun 06 11:19:10 koen yes Jun 06 11:19:24 saw this as I upgraded Jun 06 11:19:31 could you test it and close the bug if it works? Jun 06 11:19:50 and thanks again for the python magic Jun 06 11:19:57 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r888a308e... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom: add Marcins suggestions Jun 06 11:20:02 koen local.conf remains the same or is ANSGTROEM_MODE dead now dead? Jun 06 11:21:44 Someone shoot me Jun 06 11:21:47 https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-June/msg00189.html Jun 06 11:22:58 crofton oehm Jun 06 11:24:55 it goes on and on Jun 06 11:25:10 yes start with arm Jun 06 11:25:10 it can be interesting as source of arm patches Jun 06 11:25:13 and then sparc32 Jun 06 11:25:25 woglinde: ANGSTROM_MODE is still alive Jun 06 11:25:30 koen okay Jun 06 11:25:35 for emacs? Jun 06 11:26:08 crofton hm for the debian people its look really funny Jun 06 11:26:36 woglinde: that's the same lennert that did the debian EABI port Jun 06 11:27:21 koen okay but funny is how the redhat people answer Jun 06 11:28:22 lol rpm Jun 06 11:29:38 I guess he got bored of being stonewalled by debian Jun 06 11:31:55 XorA: he was stonewalled by Fedora well before he was stonewalled by Debian. Looks like he's giving it another shot. Jun 06 11:32:22 no-one loves arm Jun 06 11:32:45 pretty ironic since ARM is probably the most used arch to run linux on Jun 06 11:33:08 yeah, and you often see Lennert getting very angry at Debian people on l-a-k due to all this. Jun 06 11:34:19 time to make ubuntu love arm? Jun 06 11:34:30 he did Fedora Arm which got stonewalled, then he did Debian armeb which got ignored, then he did Debian armel which half got ignored and half other commercial people tried to take the credit, now he's back to Fedora again. Jun 06 11:35:13 has someone told him of OE, sounds like he has a lot of enregy Jun 06 11:35:34 heh.. few years ago I was planning to became Debian developer.. Jun 06 11:35:35 XorA: sure, lennert and I worked together for the arm eabi port Jun 06 11:35:46 he has an OE buildtree afaik Jun 06 11:36:00 yeah he knows of OE through slug stuff too Jun 06 11:36:22 he avoids nslu2 likes the plague due to jbowler, though Jun 06 11:36:33 oh? Jun 06 11:36:54 yep, those two lock horns Jun 06 11:36:59 * NAiL has no clue what happened there Jun 06 11:37:17 and jbowler has been absent for the better part of a year anyway Jun 06 11:37:23 Lennert, like koen ;-) is not the person to put on your first line of user support either :-) Jun 06 11:37:38 he doesn't suffer stupidity or ignorance. Jun 06 11:38:04 rwhitby: its a Dutch thing, I think they take pride in stomping on stupid heads :-) Jun 06 11:38:11 * rwhitby hopes he doesn't offend koen with that remark Jun 06 11:38:44 hrw: I'm half way through Debian NM process, but am considering whether or not to continue. Jun 06 11:39:22 Lennert is a killer toolchain and porting (in the true sense of the word) guy. Jun 06 11:39:47 rwhitby: nah, I'm not offended :) Jun 06 11:40:21 lennerts latest email to me was "bring the device next time and I'll do a linux port in that time" Jun 06 11:41:02 NAiL: yeah, Lennert doesn't have fondness for the slug anymore due to the jbowler ixp4xx timer incident and the association of NSLU2 with Debian. Jun 06 11:41:07 (as far as I can tell, anyway) Jun 06 11:41:53 rwhitby: got references? Jun 06 11:42:50 XorA: any time an NSLU2 related patch comes up on linux-arm-kernel, Lennert is sure to mention something about jbowler or Debian in a negative manner :-) Jun 06 11:43:06 rwhitby: heh heh Jun 06 11:43:09 * mwester considers the thought of Fedora 8 booting up on his DSM-G600... Jun 06 11:43:12 last time was the BE/LE debate for the new ixp4xx ethernet driver a couple of weeks ago Jun 06 11:44:23 With all that, I have a lot of respect for Lennert's technical abilities (in much the same way as I respect Koen's, even though we sometimes lock horns too) Jun 06 11:44:23 hi Jun 06 11:45:21 koen I start now a build Jun 06 11:46:06 is this channel logged? Jun 06 11:46:11 time to ge some clothes on and repair the bugg Jun 06 11:46:12 y Jun 06 11:46:36 erdinger why? Jun 06 11:46:41 I'm looking for the paste I posted yesterday evening Jun 06 11:46:53 ~logs Jun 06 11:46:55 had some problems building Jun 06 11:47:06 it has been said that logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org// where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/.html.gz Jun 06 11:48:04 CIA-4 talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 2 times! Jun 06 11:48:07 ^^ Jun 06 11:48:09 05 19:31< dcordes_> I get some errors while trying to build angstrom: http://pastebin.ca/541888 Jun 06 11:48:12 05 19:54< dcordes_> could somebody have a look at my paste? http://pastebin.ca/541888 Jun 06 11:48:15 05 20:01< dcordes_> hvontres|poodle: http://pastebin.ca/541970 looks like I set some variable wrong, right? Jun 06 11:48:18 erdinger: which one? Jun 06 11:48:39 erdinger: and for future: keep one nick in usage please Jun 06 11:48:57 mwester: I'd like to run CentOS/ARM on a FatSlug ... Jun 06 11:49:09 ooh I didn't notice I'm with my username's nick on Jun 06 11:49:10 sorry Jun 06 11:49:43 hrw: this one http://pastebin.ca/541970 Jun 06 11:51:04 erdinger: pastebin local.conf Jun 06 11:51:18 hm parsing went fine Jun 06 11:51:24 hi hrw btw. Jun 06 11:51:32 hrw still in scottland? Jun 06 11:51:55 70k€ for a vat of herring.... Jun 06 11:52:04 pickled? Jun 06 11:52:26 woglinde: ? Jun 06 11:52:30 first catch of the season Jun 06 11:53:38 just a second Jun 06 11:54:12 * mwester is living in DEPENDS hell... Jun 06 11:54:27 hrw: http://pastebin.ca/544309 Jun 06 11:54:36 Old dependencies (kernel modules) from ipkg file: Depends: update-modules, kernel-image-2.4.22-xfs Jun 06 11:55:05 New dependencies (bitbake 1.8): Depends: update-modules, kernel-2.4.22-xfs Jun 06 11:55:52 This will mess up the feeds in a big way... where should I start looking to solve this problem? Create a dummy kernel-image-2.4.22-xfs for things to depend upon? Jun 06 11:57:09 erdinger: remove CCACHE Jun 06 11:57:27 (On the surface it *does* look to me like the new dependencies are more correct; kernel modules depend on the kernel more so than the image, but it breaks compatability, which is the overriding concern for this ancient distro) Jun 06 11:57:50 hrw: do you mean the line in local.conf CCACHE="/home/erdinger/OE" Jun 06 11:57:53 yes Jun 06 11:57:54 or the dir? Jun 06 11:57:55 okay Jun 06 11:58:52 hrw: I commented it out. Should I try another build now? Jun 06 11:59:18 yes Jun 06 11:59:23 alright Jun 06 12:00:18 hrw sorry than I get something worn Jun 06 12:00:20 wrong Jun 06 12:00:47 my fsb is set very low which results in my cpu cpu MHz : 1102.585 Jun 06 12:01:06 Hello. Linux boot, I've compiled some more pkgs but how do I ask bitbake to make another rootfs (directory+jffs2) Jun 06 12:01:08 will it take very long to build the images on this? Jun 06 12:01:22 erdinger: few hours? Jun 06 12:01:34 theBrave: bitbake someimage? Jun 06 12:01:41 I will raise it then Jun 06 12:01:44 brb Jun 06 12:03:11 hrw, I thought that bitbake bootstrap image created only an image with the default packages Jun 06 12:05:33 on jfs qt build takes almost 10 minutes less :) Jun 06 12:06:05 polyonymous instead of ext3? Jun 06 12:06:05 (on jfs with nointegrity) Jun 06 12:06:10 woglinde, instead of ext4 Jun 06 12:06:16 ah and xfs? Jun 06 12:06:24 woglinde, haven't tried yet ;) Jun 06 12:06:29 On the next tmp wipeout :) Jun 06 12:07:53 theBrave: bootstrap-image gives you enough to use machine Jun 06 12:09:50 I hope this cpu MHz : 2095.829 Jun 06 12:09:57 will accerlate the process Jun 06 12:10:35 hrw: do I need all 3 images in order to build packages? Jun 06 12:11:33 any Jun 06 12:12:22 so it suffices to build the minimal image? Jun 06 12:13:26 dcordes: you don't need any image to build packages. Just do 'bitbake package'. Bitbake will build everything that is needed. Jun 06 12:13:40 hi thesing Jun 06 12:14:21 hi woglinde Jun 06 12:14:23 ~lart spammers for yet another spam storm Jun 06 12:14:23 * ibot beats spammers to within 2.54cm of his life for yet another spam storm Jun 06 12:14:54 thesing: I have the source of a kernel module here. How would I make a package of this? Jun 06 12:15:23 thesing did coredump test usbgadet on the collie? Jun 06 12:15:35 before commting usbgadet-conf? Jun 06 12:16:00 dcordes: look at examples: madwifi, ... Jun 06 12:16:45 woglinde: don't know. He will remove usbgadged anyway as there is already some other package that does the same. (see ML) Jun 06 12:18:14 ah Jun 06 12:18:17 thesing: where can I find that? Jun 06 12:18:25 dcordes: The easiest way is to add a patch to the relevant kernel to build the module (and update the defconfig) Jun 06 12:19:09 does the madwifi example go that way? Jun 06 12:19:38 no. Jun 06 12:20:08 thesing: is there any howto or example that explains it? Jun 06 12:20:08 that way you just modify the kernel package. So if you build the kernel the modules get build too. Jun 06 12:20:39 ok that's not what I'm looking for. Except this method is easier? Jun 06 12:20:53 http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/packages/madwifi ist the madwifi package. Jun 06 12:20:57 dcordes: you after ralink driver? Jun 06 12:21:06 yep! Jun 06 12:21:14 dcordes: then why dont you learn to read? Jun 06 12:21:17 but I need Pedro's Jun 06 12:21:20 dcordes: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2368 Jun 06 12:22:13 hrw: yes bitbake madplay build the app and needed lib and gives me pkg. I can transfer them to the board and install them but how to embeed them into the rootfs ? doing bitbake bootstrap-image after bootstrap madplay doesn't include it into the rootfs Jun 06 12:23:35 theBrave: easy way: make own image recipe Jun 06 12:24:41 The easiest way ist to copy task-base and add your package to RDEPENDS Jun 06 12:26:00 polyonymous: did you have any success with the usbgadget patch from mr_data? Jun 06 12:26:18 thesing, haven't tried it, what is it supposed to fix? Jun 06 12:26:55 XorA: ok I will see the bugtracker next time before I start trying to build something. Jun 06 12:27:16 polyonymous: I don't know what the his final word on this was. Jun 06 12:27:29 dcordes: its just when I asked you originally I asked you were you trying to build Zero_Chaos recipe and you answered in affirmative Jun 06 12:27:36 thesing: just fyi, I compared it with my tweaked version of ballon's driver, and it appeared just be original baloon version w/o any functional changes Jun 06 12:27:48 dcordes: probably just messages missed in the dark :-) Jun 06 12:28:03 XorA: oh didn't see that sorry Jun 06 12:28:10 thesing: and it didn't work for me (on h3600) Jun 06 12:28:18 XorA: I'm looking for the information in comment #5 right? Jun 06 12:28:38 psokolovsky ah Jun 06 12:28:43 thesing, I mean, the only problem I experience is suspend/resume essentially kills usb-gadged on spitz, if the patch addresses the problem, then it worth trying, otherwise, I don't think I have anything to try there. Jun 06 12:28:48 dcordes: http://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=1533&action=edit Jun 06 12:28:49 can I simply add the RDEPENDS line to my local.conf ? Jun 06 12:28:59 theBrave: no Jun 06 12:29:10 dcordes: everything you wish to do already done :-) Jun 06 12:29:46 koen your changes to angstrom works very well, we can close the bug Jun 06 12:29:46 so I copy bootstrap-image, add a RDEPENDS line and bitbake thebrave-image ? Jun 06 12:29:47 XorA: is that would you guys call a recipe? Jun 06 12:29:52 dcordes: yes Jun 06 12:30:00 theBrave: RDEPENDS and PACKAGE_INSTALL Jun 06 12:30:10 dcordes: so stick that in packages/ralink/ in OE and build it Jun 06 12:30:13 so I put that into a .bb file and do bitbake .bb? Jun 06 12:30:20 ok Jun 06 12:30:39 so packages/ralink/rt2570-k2wrlz_1.6.0.bb Jun 06 12:30:46 bitbake rt2570-k2wrlz Jun 06 12:30:47 polyonymous: Wasn't this only a Strongarm patch? This won't have any effect on spitz. Jun 06 12:30:48 does it download the source itself? Jun 06 12:30:51 XorA: iirc we have it already Jun 06 12:30:53 dcordes: yes Jun 06 12:30:56 nice Jun 06 12:31:09 thesing, that's why probably I haven't had any idea about the patch ;-) Jun 06 12:31:23 thesing, I don't know what exactly made you ask me :) Jun 06 12:31:26 hrw: I didnt think its been committed yet Jun 06 12:31:36 hrw: if it has please fix the bug :-) Jun 06 12:31:52 dcordes: bitbake is fully automatic Jun 06 12:32:05 dcordes: Im going to send you back to beginning of manual again :-) Jun 06 12:32:48 polyonymous: didn't you ask mr_data for the patch yesterday? Jun 06 12:33:00 I'm a lazy bum Jun 06 12:33:34 thesing, no, I think you just meant someone else. Jun 06 12:34:06 time to add a ~koen action to ibot :-) Jun 06 12:34:09 polyonymous: maybe I just get old ;) Jun 06 12:34:11 or a ~zecke Jun 06 12:34:16 ~koen Jun 06 12:34:17 CoreDump|afk, I have a semi-working opie-reader for qt4-x11 ;-) Jun 06 12:34:22 ~koen koen Jun 06 12:34:23 thesing, we all do :) Jun 06 12:34:30 ~emulate koen Jun 06 12:34:32 rumour has it, koen is our regular image monkey Jun 06 12:34:36 the release notes have hints Jun 06 12:34:40 ;) Jun 06 12:34:45 ~emulate hrw Jun 06 12:34:46 * ibot I cannot be emulated Jun 06 12:35:04 ;D Jun 06 12:35:55 polyonymous: cool Jun 06 12:36:09 will you add the rt2570-k2wrlz Jun 06 12:36:14 package to the angstrom feeds? Jun 06 12:36:22 koen, yes, but's a set of dirty-dirty-dirty fixes. Still, it's better to have. Jun 06 12:36:27 polyonymous: the qt4x11 runtime dependencies look a bit wonky still Jun 06 12:36:46 koen, I know. I think they well get polished. Jun 06 12:36:48 dcordes: it was added 05.23 Jun 06 12:36:49 will Jun 06 12:36:49 e.g depending on -dev packages Jun 06 12:37:05 koen, ah, something depends on them? Jun 06 12:37:26 koen, should I put something into local.conf for insane to be more verbose? It didn't complain to me. Jun 06 12:37:59 doesn't insane only complain about depending on -dbg packages? Jun 06 12:38:52 d'oh Jun 06 12:39:11 polyonymous: and you'd have to rename opie-reader probably due to trademark issues Jun 06 12:39:15 koen, ah.. maybe that's not insane, maybe it's just that I didn't noticed. Jun 06 12:39:26 koen, right now my .bb is called qtxreader Jun 06 12:39:27 slopie-reader :-) Jun 06 12:39:29 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * ra11cadcf... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): powertop: update to 1.5 Jun 06 12:39:30 koen: somehow I'm not able to find it in the feed browser Jun 06 12:39:44 koen, and it's an opie-reader cvs pull with the patch. Jun 06 12:39:46 I agree insane should complain about depending on -dev packages Jun 06 12:40:01 especially since libc6-dev and linux-llh-dev conflict Jun 06 12:40:10 yes. Jun 06 12:41:46 * XorA dares someone to move qpdf2 to qt4x11 :-) just for the insanity value Jun 06 12:41:56 * zecke sits at the BMCO Jun 06 12:42:12 hrw: powertop is not for arm right? Jun 06 12:42:22 XorA: why would one do that? You need to fork it and call it qpdf2.1 Jun 06 12:42:38 thesing: it runs also on arm Jun 06 12:42:50 zecke: qpdf4! Jun 06 12:43:11 okular? Jun 06 12:43:27 ok, it works. now, I sometimes make modifications to the .config of linux kernel. is there an cleanest way to do it than to overwrite packages/linux/linux-omap/defconfig each time Jun 06 12:43:29 poppler-qt? Jun 06 12:43:41 theBrave: you have own machine? Jun 06 12:43:45 also, when I will mtn update next time, will it kill my changes ? Jun 06 12:43:48 yes Jun 06 12:43:56 theBrave: packages/linux/linux-omap/yourmachine/defconfig Jun 06 12:44:11 read user manual - section about overrides Jun 06 12:44:13 KA/PI/QT4/PI :-) Jun 06 12:44:35 * dcordes ducks Jun 06 12:44:36 I'm so happy Lutz got laid off, but I still hate kdab Jun 06 12:44:36 XoPI Jun 06 12:44:56 what is the ralink pack called? Jun 06 12:45:22 I can't find it Jun 06 12:46:20 BTW: ist there a way to build packages form recipies which inherit native? Jun 06 12:46:33 thesing: ? Jun 06 12:48:13 I want to package the mono libraries, which are platform independent. But they are build with native tools compiles at compile time. Jun 06 12:48:52 So I want to build the native package and ship the build libraries. Jun 06 12:49:30 is it possible that some ethernet driver works depend on gcc version? Jun 06 12:49:34 I find qt default font a bit too big too. Jun 06 12:49:55 crink: yes, alsa and some versions of gcc dont get on due to gcc bugs Jun 06 12:50:22 smsc 9115 works fine with mipsel-linux-gcc-3.4.6 but not 4.1.2 Jun 06 12:50:32 thesing: you would package the one created by the non -native version Jun 06 12:50:41 XorA: thx Jun 06 12:53:08 so i inserted newer ethenet driver in old kernel. i got error like this, Jun 06 12:53:13 smsc911x.c:(.init.text+0x3cd8): undefined reference to `platform_driver_register' Jun 06 12:53:37 bbs Jun 06 12:53:42 cu Jun 06 12:53:44 bye Jun 06 12:53:47 crink: you cant put old modules in new kernels ad vice versa Jun 06 12:54:41 XorA: there is only small change, although, duplication functions exist.. Jun 06 12:55:00 platform_driver_register Jun 06 12:56:19 linux is tightly coupled it isnt Java Jun 06 12:56:35 XorA: i have no choice. Jun 06 12:57:04 crink: then you have already lost Jun 06 12:57:15 hmm.. Jun 06 12:59:35 all i do is just for minimo, new minimo(mipsel) seems doesn't work on old rootfs, i have to test newer rootfs with it, entirely made by oe. Jun 06 13:00:22 without this ethernet driver, i can't get in through nfsroot. Jun 06 13:03:14 with 4.1.2, the smsc ethernet driver seems works *inaccuracy*. the led on.. Jun 06 13:04:47 XorA: would it be possible to compile rt73-k2wrlz-1.0.0.tar.bz2 with the same recipe as the one you gave me changing it a bit? Jun 06 13:05:49 where should i look oe to downgrade gcc version? Jun 06 13:07:11 found it. Jun 06 13:07:14 thx Jun 06 13:08:05 dcordes: just edit the recipe and build it Jun 06 13:08:17 XorA: I tried that but somehow bitbake wants to build qemu now Jun 06 13:08:24 wait I will pastebin Jun 06 13:08:38 dcordes: again I will send you back to the manual Jun 06 13:10:00 * koen makes a commit for XorA Jun 06 13:10:03 XorA: http://pastebin.ca/544450 Jun 06 13:10:12 so bye Jun 06 13:10:17 bye Jun 06 13:10:23 till later Jun 06 13:10:30 little bit shopping Jun 06 13:10:39 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rb271566d... 10/ (1 packages/quake/quetoo_0.6.1.bb): quetoo: gpl quake2 engine focused on performance Jun 06 13:12:05 koen: yay :-D Jun 06 13:12:49 did anyone merge two different svn repositories with git? Jun 06 13:13:31 * XorA checks zecke insanity level Jun 06 13:14:15 XorA: do you think this increases my level of insanity? Jun 06 13:15:27 zecke: you used the words git and merge in one sentence Jun 06 13:16:04 XorA: it got better with 1.5 (better as in usable) Jun 06 13:16:13 now only git-svn freaks out and sees no differences Jun 06 13:17:08 * XorA has pretty much given up on git as pretty much every solution involves git-reset to lose all changes and even something as simple as merge failure requires completely fucked up command sequences to fix Jun 06 13:17:53 XorA: git 1.5 is almost usable Jun 06 13:17:53 XorA: you're obviously not as smart as Linus ;-) Jun 06 13:18:15 rwhitby: it is okay to be as smart as Andrew Morton Jun 06 13:20:26 * XorA does love the fact that the -mm kernel doesnt use git as its broken Jun 06 13:22:26 XorA: could you take a look? Jun 06 13:23:40 cya Jun 06 13:24:02 * * OE Bug 2425 has been created by wirelessdreamer@gmail.com Jun 06 13:24:04 * * gpm_4.2.1.bb dos not build correctly Jun 06 13:24:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2425 Jun 06 13:24:44 zflash Jun 06 13:27:25 dcordes: that'll cost you 2k GBP Jun 06 13:30:00 I can't afford donations atm :( Jun 06 13:32:17 * XorA cant afford to not be working either Jun 06 13:32:24 ok Jun 06 13:32:40 sorry I did not want to disturb you Jun 06 13:34:01 * * OE Bug 2426 has been created by wirelessdreamer@gmail.com Jun 06 13:34:03 * * Cups-1.2.10.bb installation tries to write to /var/run/cups /certs on host filesystem Jun 06 13:34:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2426 Jun 06 13:36:01 * * OE Bug 2426 has been marked as DUPLICATE of bug 2345 by wirelessdreamer@gmail.com Jun 06 13:36:03 * *  Cups-1.2.10.bb installation tries to write to /var/run/cups/ certs on host filesystem Jun 06 13:36:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2426 Jun 06 13:54:12 could somebody else take a look at my rt73 recipe? Jun 06 13:54:21 http://pastebin.ca/544450 Jun 06 13:55:12 dcordes_: show me output of "mtn head" command Jun 06 13:58:46 hrw: it asks for a branch Jun 06 13:59:36 dcordes_: cd into OE metadata first Jun 06 14:00:26 hrw: c891266b18efb23d24ad3edfbbb81d2fdd246e13 coredump2@openembedded.org 2007-06-05T03:30:28 Jun 06 14:01:05 dcordes_: then look into packages/rt25*/ Jun 06 14:04:17 hrw: what is with that dir? Jun 06 14:04:54 dcordes_: look inside Jun 06 14:05:04 I do not have time to support each newbie Jun 06 14:05:23 hrw: I'm looking for rt73 Jun 06 14:05:47 anyone here ever use kdrive-sdl?, or know if it would give better preformance then other kdrives, i'm assuming its just an sdl enhanced build, but could be wrong. Jun 06 14:12:17 when I attempt to build rt2570-k2wrlz bitbake tries to build qemu. Jun 06 14:13:17 because it has to build toolchain. Jun 06 14:13:21 and we use qemu for locales Jun 06 14:15:03 i see. It is asking for a different version of gcc Jun 06 14:15:23 dcordes_: read requiredsoftware again Jun 06 14:16:03 ok Jun 06 14:16:40 dcordes_: What distro? Jun 06 14:16:48 Read OEandYourDistro Jun 06 14:20:02 oe.org website is SLOW again! Jun 06 14:23:30 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r9d7d014e... 10/ (1 MAINTAINERS): MAINTAIINERS: add Andreas Holzer for his chess stuff. Jun 06 14:23:36 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * ra4a93e20... 10/ (1 packages/qt/qt4-x11-free_4.3.0.bb): Jun 06 14:23:36 qt4-x11-free: fix up packaging a bit by moving debug files into proper package. Jun 06 14:23:36 Compilation still seems to fail due to binaries shipped in source. Jun 06 14:25:25 morning Jun 06 14:31:25 Laibsh: first cut of my new altboot interface is in bug #2422 Jun 06 14:31:30 !oebug 2422 Jun 06 14:31:32 * * Bug 2422, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-06-05 23:24 Jun 06 14:31:33 * * hvontres(AT)gmail.com: bb file for altboot 1.0.9 pre-release Jun 06 14:31:34 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2422 Jun 06 14:41:47 hvontres|poodle: Almost missed it Jun 06 14:41:55 Why not commit with pref = -1? Jun 06 14:42:07 You have RW access? Jun 06 14:43:16 hvontres|poodle: If you want to I can help you the .inc Jun 06 14:43:25 I have some routine doing that now ;-) Jun 06 14:43:33 by now Jun 06 14:44:40 Laibsch: nope, not ready for RW yet :) But if you want to tackle the .inc file, be my guest :) Jun 06 14:47:42 RP: quick jffs2 question.. how does one recover from this kind of error: Jun 06 14:47:44 Anyone have this error with bitbake ? "local variable 'bb' referenced before assignment while parsing" Jun 06 14:47:45 Jun 6 07:39:20 poodle user.warn kernel: JFFS2 compression type 0x07 not available. Jun 06 14:47:46 Jun 6 07:39:20 poodle user.warn kernel: Error: jffs2_decompress returned -5 Jun 06 14:48:13 hvontres|poodle: kernel without LZO patches Jun 06 14:48:29 lindenle: are your env variables set correctly? Jun 06 14:49:03 dreamer: I only set BBPATH b/c bitbake is installed natively. Jun 06 14:49:19 dreamer: it points to where the *.bb files are Jun 06 14:50:31 dreamer: sorry it points to the top of my build directory and the top of the repository. Jun 06 14:51:06 dreamer: bitbake version1.8.2 Jun 06 14:51:18 have anywhere you can post your local.conf? Jun 06 14:51:23 pastebin Jun 06 14:51:37 hvontres|poodle: I can commit this and set pref to -1 Jun 06 14:51:59 Laibsch: Sounds good :) Jun 06 14:52:03 But only after some compilations are done Jun 06 14:52:20 lindenle:p post and send a link Jun 06 14:53:00 dreamerhttp://rafb.net/p/QPyiy160.html Jun 06 14:53:05 Laibsch: no hurry, it's just a couple people were asking about it so I figured I'd at least put it up on the BTS :) Jun 06 14:53:06 dreamer: ^^ Jun 06 14:57:30 lindenie: sry not sure what would cause it, i'm still pretty new to OE Jun 06 14:58:59 dreamer: it seems that it is running over all the bb files.. if that is any help Jun 06 14:59:09 like tryingto build the cache Jun 06 15:00:10 if you just type bitbake does it successfully parse and cache all your files? Jun 06 15:00:38 hrw: Where is http://www.openembedded.org/user-manual&dpage=chapter_getting_oe being maintained? I cannot find it in the org.oe.doc tree Jun 06 15:00:59 should be there Jun 06 15:02:05 lindenle: had to change nick, just noticed other was taken on this server Jun 06 15:02:49 hrw: Can you tell me the path? Jun 06 15:02:52 wirelessdreamer: ok Jun 06 15:03:55 hrw: Oh,I see. Jun 06 15:04:07 I thought the chapters were in individual files Jun 06 15:04:14 It is just one big one. Jun 06 15:04:38 lindenle: did bitbake sucessfully build the catch when you ran it without any commands? Jun 06 15:05:05 Laibsch: most is in one file Jun 06 15:06:28 wirelessdreamer: no it is throwing errors on evry bb file same one I possted Jun 06 15:07:39 hrw: ok. got the right kernel now :) Jun 06 15:07:48 bbl Jun 06 15:08:17 wirelessdreamer: local variable 'bb' referenced before assignment Jun 06 15:10:57 interesting read -> http://www.strategy-business.com/press/article/07204?gko=b7f91-1876-26241227 Jun 06 15:11:50 is it normal that "glibc-intermediate-2.5-r6: task do_compile" takes long? Jun 06 15:11:58 yes Jun 06 15:12:00 very long Jun 06 15:12:13 ok Jun 06 15:12:35 lindenle: what distro? Jun 06 15:12:57 wirelessdreamer: Think i got it Jun 06 15:13:20 wirelessdreamer:nope...angstrom Jun 06 15:13:32 i mean that your build sys runs Jun 06 15:13:44 you said bitbake was installed by your distro right? Jun 06 15:13:53 wirelessdreamer: debian Jun 06 15:14:10 have you tried downloading bitbake and installing it on your own Jun 06 15:14:23 I have one newbie question: Why is it necessary to compile all those programs when they are already present? In my case ie I only want to compile one module Jun 06 15:14:30 it sounds like some of the python lib's bitbake comes with and needs are being found correctly Jun 06 15:14:31 “Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow.” :) Jun 06 15:14:35 and all those things are compilling Jun 06 15:15:02 are=are not Jun 06 15:15:41 wirelessdreamer:right Jun 06 15:15:57 steliosk: Only read the first page (did not want to register although I probably should) Jun 06 15:16:13 when i installed bitbake with gentoo i had issues, when i downloaded, untared, and put it in my path i was fine Jun 06 15:16:29 Laibsch : No need to register to read it. Jun 06 15:16:43 But from what I read there ("adaptation, not innovation"), that is the same BS that rightfully got the American and European carmakers into trouble when they ignored the Japanese Jun 06 15:17:11 dcordes_: well, they are not present on your build machine yet... I think koen's packaged staging is supposed to work around that someday :) Jun 06 15:18:11 steliosk: I cannot go on without logging in Jun 06 15:18:15 wirelessdreamer: I just grabbed svn version and same problem, which version do you have? Jun 06 15:18:45 1.8.2 Jun 06 15:19:01 pulled it down from the link on angstrom howto Jun 06 15:19:13 Laibsch : Strange i have not register.... here is in pdf http://www.strategy-business.com/media/file/sb47_07204.pdf Jun 06 15:20:16 wirelessdreamer: hmmm Jun 06 15:22:11 03Laibsch 07org.oe.documentation * r03213d66... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): Jun 06 15:22:11 usermanual.xml: Replace references to bitbake 1.6 with 1.8. Jun 06 15:22:11 The change is a little bit early as 1.8 is not yet officially required. Jun 06 15:22:11 But the general consensus in IRC seems to be that whenever somebody Jun 06 15:22:11 with a problem pops in that is on 1.6 to just update to 1.8. Jun 06 15:22:46 CIA-3: I am having trouble with 1.8.2 Jun 06 15:23:17 lindenle: CIA-3 is a robot Jun 06 15:23:26 Laibsch: ha ha Jun 06 15:23:48 lindenle: You are having trouble with 1.8.2 you were not having with 1.6? Jun 06 15:24:04 Laibsch: yes Jun 06 15:24:33 well, then let us know about it Jun 06 15:24:38 Here and in the BTS Jun 06 15:25:10 * chouimat read BSTS ... Jun 06 15:25:13 I am getting the error: local variable 'bb' referenced before assignment while parsing *.bb as bitbake trues to build cache Jun 06 15:25:42 does anyone have inital .bb files for openbox or openoffice laying around? Jun 06 15:25:48 trues == tries Jun 06 15:26:25 03koen 07org.oe.dev * re6bd0dc9... 10/ (1 packages/libsdl/libsdl-x11_1.2.9.bb): libsdl-x11: enable opengl Jun 06 15:26:46 steliosk: interesting article... "When you move from the bazaar to the cathedral, it.s best to leave your democratic ideals behind." Jun 06 15:27:10 hvontres|poodle: democracy is a myth :) Jun 06 15:27:33 chuimat : A Greek one ;) Jun 06 15:28:10 steliosk: :) Jun 06 15:30:14 steliosk: On page three now. The guy is brilliant, good analyst. But he completely misses the point. Jun 06 15:30:36 steliosk: His premises are flawed and thus his elegant analysis is invalid. Jun 06 15:30:37 Laibsch: it's more from the "business side" Jun 06 15:30:49 chouimat: I am from the business isde Jun 06 15:30:51 side Jun 06 15:31:03 And I tell you, the analysis is flawed Jun 06 15:31:03 cu all Jun 06 15:31:11 I already pointed out one example. Jun 06 15:31:42 Laibsch: but some will find his analysis not flawed ... Jun 06 15:32:44 Sure Jun 06 15:33:00 Many people think Windows is a nice OS Jun 06 15:33:23 Eat shit, one billion flies cannot be wrong Jun 06 15:33:32 "narrowly defined task" Jun 06 15:33:33 Laibsch: and many people belive in intelligent design ... Jun 06 15:33:33 Well i pretty much agree with what he writes.... Been in business for 18 years (started my first company when i was in university) makes you see things a bit different... Jun 06 15:33:38 What a bunch of hogwash! Jun 06 15:34:12 Laibsch: you have turned him to your left? Jun 06 15:35:50 Laibsch : A product is a product... there is no perfect one and at least for those who are used to shutdown their machine everyday Windows is a nice program/product :) Jun 06 15:37:50 steliosk: and for some stuff I'm sorry but linux is not there yet ... and it might never get there ... Jun 06 15:38:20 * steliosk makes a mental note not to mention any business stuff on the channel again Jun 06 15:38:37 chuimat : i agree Jun 06 15:38:53 sorry for misspelling your nick twice :( Jun 06 15:39:41 it's ok Jun 06 15:40:56 steliosk: Why not? Jun 06 15:41:04 You fear controversy? Jun 06 15:41:28 I am too old and too tired ;) Jun 06 15:41:47 As I said, a brilliant analysis. But his conclusion of "peer-production cannot lead to innovation" is wrong IMHO Jun 06 15:42:05 steliosk: What a lame excuse Jun 06 15:43:33 Usually or excuses are.... Jun 06 15:43:40 s/or/are Jun 06 15:43:47 s/or/all Jun 06 15:44:08 * steliosk looks at his fat fingers Jun 06 15:45:03 Laibsch: I am not sure that is what he's getting at. I think his main point was that in order to get a decent product, there needs to be a competent team at the top of the pile, kind of like us with koen,hrw,RP,mickey and zecke Jun 06 15:45:38 well, he is mixing valid points I'd agree with with stuff that is not true Jun 06 15:45:55 Laibsch: and his other point was that the initial ideas still need to come from a small band of smart guys Jun 06 15:45:55 And that is exactly what makes his whole analysis invalid Jun 06 15:46:04 OSS = no innovation? Jun 06 15:46:10 What a bunch of crap! Jun 06 15:46:12 and probably someone who will take some of the hard decisions ... because if we have to vote for everything we end up like debian ... Jun 06 15:46:27 :) Jun 06 15:47:10 I am all for organization. But the question remains, if this "light-bulb over your head"-innovation is the most desirable Jun 06 15:47:14 * chouimat goes back to his linux based macosx crosscompiler ebuild ... Jun 06 15:47:23 or the only type of innovation Jun 06 15:47:54 And another question is "how does the guy get his inspiration" if not from a divers group of people around him? Jun 06 15:48:07 This is all too simplistic and one-dimensional Jun 06 15:48:14 Consultant-talk Jun 06 15:48:20 And I know that stuff! Jun 06 15:48:25 Laibsch: hehe Jun 06 15:48:33 But I have to say high-level consultant talk Jun 06 15:48:38 Laibsch: written for MBA's :) for them 2-D is a stretch :) Jun 06 15:48:40 As I said, he is brilliant! Jun 06 15:49:29 hvontres|poodle: I have a friend who got an MBA ... his imagination and his sex life are now gone ... ;) Jun 06 15:49:47 Might be related ;-) Jun 06 15:50:26 Laibsch: I think the main point of the article was to keep pointy-haired managers from getting too excited about peer-production and forgetting about needing the guys in the cathedral to keep things from turning into utter chaos. Jun 06 15:50:33 Laibsch: I will see him this weekend I just hope it's not contagious :) Jun 06 15:50:39 chuimat : Usually one needs the other, loose one and you loose both :) Jun 06 15:51:00 * chouimat goes fetch his laundry ... brb Jun 06 15:51:14 * steliosk is going home Jun 06 15:51:20 later all Jun 06 15:51:27 yes, and everything in life, it is about balance! Organization and laisser-faire. Jun 06 15:51:34 I find this article unbalanced Jun 06 15:51:46 And using flawed premisses Jun 06 15:52:11 But I guess that is me. I was taught in business school to criticize every paper under the sun to death ;-) Jun 06 15:54:34 polyonymous: Does qt4-x11-free compile for you? Jun 06 15:54:42 Laibsch: in case you are not aware of pointy-haired managers: http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070601.html Jun 06 15:55:03 I hope my geography teacher didn't go to busineess school Jun 06 15:56:57 PHB Jun 06 15:59:45 hvontres|poodle: I prefers this one http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070606.html Jun 06 16:00:57 chouimat: yeah, but I was looking for one that showcased the brilliant thinking involved with being a PHB and how the paper would be needed if a PHB ever heard of "open source" :) Jun 06 16:01:39 * chouimat likes his sign over his cat's litterbox "HR Department" :) Jun 06 16:03:26 does anyone here use distcc for their openembedded builds? Jun 06 16:03:42 * hvontres|poodle points at steliosk Jun 06 16:04:04 wirelessdreamer: oe support icecream http://en.opensuse.org/Icecream Jun 06 16:07:04 and that is what steliosk uses Jun 06 16:07:07 I do too Jun 06 16:07:30 hrw played around with distcc, I believe Jun 06 16:38:08 pheww is there a lot more to come after the locales? ^^ Jun 06 16:38:21 assuming that there is a certain order in the compiling progress Jun 06 16:44:06 what special configuration do i need to put in place for distcc to use the oe cross compiling toolchain? Jun 06 16:44:18 dcordes_ : gcc/glibc takes most of the time (assuming you are building bootstrap-image) Jun 06 16:45:01 wirelessdreamer : http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/IceCC Jun 06 16:45:34 wirelessdreamer : distcc for cross compilling is not the best solution Jun 06 16:49:08 steliosk: erm no... I'm trying to build a ralink kernel module Jun 06 16:49:22 but it's the first stuff i build Jun 06 16:50:50 dcordes_ : so its the kernel (and friends) next and then your module Jun 06 16:52:46 steliosk: wait... so what I'm making right now is no patch but a complete new kernel with the module included? Jun 06 16:54:39 steliosk: here that's the recipe I made for it. Just took it from a different ralink driver and replaced rt2500 with rt73 Jun 06 16:54:51 http://pastebin.ca/544450 Jun 06 16:55:33 steliosk: thanks for the link :) Jun 06 16:57:03 dcordes_ : you need kernel headers to build a kernel module. Jun 06 16:59:01 oh ok Jun 06 16:59:23 so it makes only the module which I later can install on the machine without replacing the whole kernel? Jun 06 17:00:53 if the kernel you have on your machine is the same as the one build yes Jun 06 17:01:10 s/one build/one that will be buildfrom OE Jun 06 17:11:24 steliosk: I installed OE 3 days ago and have the angstrom image from the latest unstable release Jun 06 17:16:09 re Jun 06 17:16:34 steliosk: how can I find out the kernel v of my local OE? Jun 06 17:16:57 dcordes bitbake bla -e Jun 06 17:17:25 wow monotone is slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow today Jun 06 17:17:39 chouimat only today? Jun 06 17:19:05 re Jun 06 17:30:22 chouimat: yeah, I noticed that last night too...maybe florian needs to kick the server again .. Jun 06 17:42:38 dcordes_: your kernels should match then Jun 06 17:56:17 Who did the efika git kernel? Jun 06 17:59:11 ~oemirrors Jun 06 17:59:27 extra, extra, read all about it, oemirrors is OpenEmbedded monotone mirrors are ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl, monotone.nslu2-linux.org, also see http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted Jun 06 17:59:45 Crofron : The last commits where from koen Jun 06 18:00:13 I'm wondering if we should set default pref to -1 Jun 06 18:00:30 any problem ? Jun 06 18:01:33 well, the kernel changes from build to build :) Jun 06 18:01:51 I would prefer the default be the latest stable build Jun 06 18:02:05 you have a point there Jun 06 18:02:07 and we take action to get the git kernel Jun 06 18:04:03 * steliosk has a feeling that all OE servers are suffering the last few weeks Jun 06 18:05:29 Crofron : i am trying to sync and set preference to -1, but it looks it will take a while Jun 06 18:06:01 steliosk: which verson of mtn are you running? Jun 06 18:06:20 yeah Jun 06 18:06:23 thanks Jun 06 18:06:42 0.35 Jun 06 18:07:09 ibot: oemirrors is also opensource.wolfsonmicro.com Jun 06 18:07:20 steliosk: hmm, me too...I wonder if that might be part of the problem.. Jun 06 18:07:23 XorA|gone: okay Jun 06 18:07:29 ~oemirrors Jun 06 18:07:31 extra, extra, read all about it, oemirrors is OpenEmbedded monotone mirrors are ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl, monotone.nslu2-linux.org, also see http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted, or opensource.wolfsonmicro.com Jun 06 18:08:03 ibot: oemirros is extra, extra, read all about it, oemirrors is OpenEmbedded monotone mirrors are ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl, monotone.nslu2-linux.org, opensource.wolfsonmicro.com also see http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted Jun 06 18:08:05 XorA|gone: okay Jun 06 18:08:12 ~oemirrors Jun 06 18:08:13 oemirrors is probably OpenEmbedded monotone mirrors are ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl, monotone.nslu2-linux.org, also see http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted, or opensource.wolfsonmicro.com Jun 06 18:08:14 I don't think so.... Jun 06 18:08:30 ibot: oemirrors is extra, extra, read all about it, oemirrors is OpenEmbedded monotone mirrors are ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl, monotone.nslu2-linux.org, opensource.wolfsonmicro.com also see http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted Jun 06 18:08:32 ...but oemirrors is already something else... Jun 06 18:08:43 ibot: forget oemirrors Jun 06 18:08:44 XorA|gone: i forgot oemirrors Jun 06 18:08:46 ibot: oemirrors is extra, extra, read all about it, oemirrors is OpenEmbedded monotone mirrors are ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl, monotone.nslu2-linux.org, opensource.wolfsonmicro.com also see http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted Jun 06 18:08:47 okay, XorA|gone Jun 06 18:08:53 ~oemirrors Jun 06 18:08:55 well, oemirrors is extra, extra, read all about it, oemirrors is OpenEmbedded monotone mirrors are ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl, monotone.nslu2-linux.org, opensource.wolfsonmicro.com also see http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted Jun 06 18:09:03 ahah been meaning to do that for ages Jun 06 18:09:15 steliosk: ok. it's just that last night was the first time I pulled with 0.35 and it seemed really slow Jun 06 18:11:19 is there a new version of mtn? Jun 06 18:12:39 i just used wolfsonmicro mirror and is fast. so its the server not mtn Jun 06 18:12:55 steliosk: good to know :) Jun 06 18:13:30 * steliosk crosses fingers and hopes its in sync with the main Jun 06 18:14:35 i need to get tailor to work again with monotone.... it's so fcking stupid to have to manually copy stuff from svn to mtn and vice versa Jun 06 18:15:44 I am still wondering how to setup my monotone for my private work Jun 06 18:18:23 keesj: I use bbcollections and put all custom OE stuff that can't be fed upstream in a parallel tree Jun 06 18:20:14 so you have the "build" diretory in mtn (the directpory containing the local.conf) Jun 06 18:21:46 I work at home and at work. and I do drag a usb hardisk around but I wonder if I sound setup one or two repositories Jun 06 18:23:44 cbrake : i am thinking of going that way myself, but what happens with "common" stuff like bbclass etc Jun 06 18:23:49 ? Jun 06 18:26:46 steliosk: I've never put *.class files in a bbcollections, but packages and conf files seem to work. Jun 06 18:27:04 steliosk: for conf files, you have to worry about the order of the directories in BBPATH Jun 06 18:27:54 steliosk: I also seem to have the best luck copying the entire package directory into the bbcollection tree if I need to mofify something. This also allows for easy diff'ing with new version of the OE metadata. Jun 06 18:28:25 steliosk: this is typically required to customize the busybox config, network script settings, etc. Jun 06 18:30:23 cbrake : we keep an svn localy and have to get things manually in and out, which when there are a lot of changes to be moved is a royal pain... Jun 06 18:31:46 I guess the real thing is not to copy stuff but really use mtn as indended right? Jun 06 18:32:32 so just create different branches or does that also give problems? Jun 06 18:33:16 keesj: it seems branches should work, but I've never tried it yet Jun 06 18:33:49 keesj: bbcollections works so well and provides a nice clean break between custom stuff and upstream metadata Jun 06 18:33:57 I am also a fan of collections Jun 06 18:34:01 keesj: I've never had the motivation Jun 06 18:35:47 we work with perforce and cvs at work, neither of them keep a good local repository Jun 06 18:37:36 I have been quite bussy with OE in the last past month, but I still have to create my first .bb package Jun 06 18:38:57 hello dudes and dudettes Jun 06 18:40:14 gm Jun 06 18:40:21 likewise: Hi Leon Jun 06 18:40:29 ~praise irc for keeping me awake in this talk Jun 06 18:40:41 Hi US Jun 06 18:40:45 :-) Jun 06 18:41:17 All hail irc for keeping me awake in this talk! Jun 06 18:41:18 03crofton 07org.oe.dev * r7474030a... 10/ (1 conf/documentation.conf): documentation.conf : Document QA_LOG variable. Jun 06 18:41:27 hmmm Jun 06 18:41:50 That has been sitting in my db for a few days :) Jun 06 18:49:57 what does FATAL: oe_runmake failed Jun 06 18:50:00 mean? Jun 06 18:50:31 it is FATAL and oe_runmake failed during execution? Jun 06 18:50:48 I don't know what oe_runmake is Jun 06 18:51:04 dcordes_: well, you have a log file Jun 06 18:51:09 dcordes_: check the first line of the log Jun 06 18:51:13 yes that is taken from the logfile Jun 06 18:51:17 dcordes_: then scroll to the end Jun 06 18:51:27 dcordes_: and go upwards until you find the main error? Jun 06 18:51:36 '/home/erdinger/OE/org.openembedded.dev/packages/ralink/rt73-k2wrlz_1.0.0.bb' failed Jun 06 18:51:39 oh ok Jun 06 18:51:43 that should be this one? Jun 06 18:51:57 Laibsch, yes, why? Jun 06 18:52:00 that's my self made recipe Jun 06 18:52:28 dcordes_: check the log and use your capabilities. You are likely to have more than you think Jun 06 18:53:14 that's motivating Jun 06 18:54:42 but really I don't know what to read from the log Jun 06 18:55:06 there's only that oe_runmake failed Jun 06 18:55:45 dcordes_: I doubt that, feel free to pastebin the whole log Jun 06 18:55:46 that's the recipe I tried to use http://pastebin.ca/544450 Jun 06 18:55:47 ~pastebi Jun 06 18:55:50 ~pastebin Jun 06 18:55:50 ok Jun 06 18:56:11 it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well Jun 06 18:56:47 http://www.pastebin.ca/545207 Jun 06 18:56:55 RP: ping. would LZO be interesting for squashfs? Jun 06 18:58:19 dcordes_: which line do you think contains the first error? Jun 06 18:59:17 polyonymous: well, should be obvious Jun 06 18:59:22 It does not compile for me. Jun 06 18:59:26 Laibsch, got a paste? Jun 06 18:59:41 zecke: line 16? Jun 06 18:59:52 dcordes_: yeah :) Jun 06 19:00:01 dcordes_: what do you think this error means? Jun 06 19:00:03 yay! Jun 06 19:00:39 dcordes_: for me this is an indication that this module has never been compiled with gcc 4.0/4.1 Jun 06 19:00:47 unfortunately I dunno what increment means. Jun 06 19:00:53 dcordes_, ++, I think. Jun 06 19:01:19 gcc++? Jun 06 19:01:29 dcordes_, ++ operator. Do you know C? Jun 06 19:01:44 nope Jun 06 19:01:58 I heard of it. Programming languages and stuff. C compiler c++ Jun 06 19:01:58 dcordes_, ah. that's a different issue then... Jun 06 19:02:03 polyonymous: Not now. But I am preparing one for you. Jun 06 19:02:16 dcordes_: well, I guess at this point you would need to pester the upstream guys to fix it .. Jun 06 19:02:22 Laibsch, ok. I hope it doesn't take 80 minutes like the whole successful build does :) Jun 06 19:02:40 It will Jun 06 19:02:48 Because I'll be gone shoppping Jun 06 19:02:51 Laibsch, so it happens close to the end? Jun 06 19:02:53 ah ok. Jun 06 19:03:00 I meant it won't take YOU 80 mins. Jun 06 19:03:07 It might Jun 06 19:03:07 :-( Jun 06 19:03:20 well, okay, whenever you have it, just pokeme. Jun 06 19:03:21 poke me Jun 06 19:03:47 polyonymous: http://paste.stgraber.org/1413 Jun 06 19:04:10 * Laibsch pokes polyonymous Jun 06 19:04:14 I see. Jun 06 19:04:14 zecke: could you give me a clue on how to change my recipe to fix that? Jun 06 19:04:31 dcordes_: your recipe looks sane, you have to fix the driver sourcecode Jun 06 19:04:43 Laibsch, can you also paste log.do_configure ? Jun 06 19:04:44 dcordes_: and I resist to talk about non upstream modules... Jun 06 19:04:56 what is non upstream? Jun 06 19:05:00 dcordes_ : Are you sure the driver works with 2.6.20 kernels ? Jun 06 19:05:05 no Jun 06 19:05:20 let me figure out.. Jun 06 19:05:22 dcordes_: There is the Linux release by Linus Torvalds Jun 06 19:05:33 dcordes_: and there are people too stupid to send patches. Jun 06 19:05:49 dcordes_: while the stuff outside the tree breaks (as you see), the stuff inside is constantly fixed Jun 06 19:05:51 thing is: I thought it would be like the same as the ralink rt2500 modules Jun 06 19:05:55 dcordes_: the stuff inside is upstream :) Jun 06 19:06:12 dcordes_: google for the error and find a patch Jun 06 19:06:20 * steliosk thinks zecke should add this to wikipedia Jun 06 19:06:23 ok so modules integrated in the official kernel are upstream? Jun 06 19:06:43 yeah Jun 06 19:07:10 I knew it wasn't present. That's why I tried to build it myelf Jun 06 19:07:12 s Jun 06 19:07:41 hi zecke Jun 06 19:07:49 dcordes_: well, use google or fix the source yourself Jun 06 19:08:07 polyonymous: http://paste.stgraber.org/1414 Jun 06 19:08:18 http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt73-cvs-daily.tar.gz I think the driver I tried to compile is based on this one Jun 06 19:08:38 ASPj only implented some nice patches. Jun 06 19:09:13 zecke: with my knowledge I won't even dream about fixing any sources. And I'm not sure on what to google for ? Jun 06 19:09:27 Laibsch, can you paste output of `date`? Jun 06 19:09:37 ah nevermind Jun 06 19:09:51 Wed Jun 6 21:09:49 CEST 2007 Jun 06 19:09:53 Wed Jun 6 21:09:50 CEST 2007 Jun 06 19:09:58 it's just that make: Warning: File `Makefile' has modification time 1.8 s in the future made me worry Jun 06 19:10:06 but it's just 1.8s Jun 06 19:10:10 but I still wonder why :) Jun 06 19:10:12 polyonymous: No, that happens at times Jun 06 19:10:30 ok. it doesn't happen to me, though. Ok, I'm reading further Jun 06 19:10:36 polyonymous: Well, it is because my machine is so fast. It overtakes itself Jun 06 19:10:48 :))) Jun 06 19:12:11 zecke: One thing I don't understand is why the other drivers from the project seem to build w/o any problems but the one I have here is not capable? Jun 06 19:12:31 well, Laibsch, at this point, I can't tell you what's going on... your compile log looks a bit like it's unconfigured, but your configure log looks like mine, except for the clock skew. Jun 06 19:12:40 Laibsch, do you have parallel make? Jun 06 19:12:50 dcordes_: I don't know Jun 06 19:13:20 on the other hand - I do have parallel make -j2 and have no probs... Jun 06 19:13:28 zecke: the difference between the modules can be so huge since they are from the same project http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Downloads Jun 06 19:14:08 dcordes_: I don't know, I only care for upstream stuff Jun 06 19:14:08 the difference I see is clock skew and ccache. Jun 06 19:14:25 ok zecke thank you anyways Jun 06 19:14:33 could somebody else help me with my problem? Jun 06 19:16:48 dcordes_: what was wrong with googling or fixing it yourself? Jun 06 19:17:11 dcordes_: my recomendation would be to check the forums at serialmonkey to see if somebody over there has a fix. Jun 06 19:18:03 zecke: as I already mentioned, I don't know what to look for exactly Jun 06 19:18:10 Laibsch, just seen your commit. I don't get it - how could you be fixing packaging if it doesn't build for you? Out of pure theory? Jun 06 19:18:17 only thing I understood is that the module has to be built with c++ Jun 06 19:18:23 if I got this wrong Jun 06 19:19:10 anyway, Laibsch, I'd still blame it on your clock skew, I think... Jun 06 19:19:11 dcordes_: use your mice, select the error, paste it in google, click "I feel lucky"? Jun 06 19:19:34 dcordes_: just try, you don't pay google for each search ;) Jun 06 19:19:44 alright Jun 06 19:19:54 so that incremental error? Jun 06 19:20:00 in line 16? Jun 06 19:20:31 dcordes_, but you'd have to pay zecke for google-training :) Jun 06 19:20:56 dcordes_: "RTMPMoveMemory" would be a good word? Jun 06 19:21:45 stop mocking me please :( Jun 06 19:21:52 I have no money for donations Jun 06 19:21:55 :) Jun 06 19:22:28 dcordes_, that's not a donation, that's payment :) Jun 06 19:22:38 And that was a joke too Jun 06 19:23:33 somebody speaks french in here? Jun 06 19:23:47 http://forum.framasoft.org/viewtopic.php?p=206213&sid=c32cc64f99794fe75c2572d3087edaca Jun 06 19:24:37 dcordes_: crist that is some bad code Jun 06 19:24:47 dcordes_: whover wrote it should be assamed Jun 06 19:24:50 ashamed Jun 06 19:25:02 dcordes_: I do speak french Jun 06 19:26:13 polyonymous: Sure I can fix packaging without being able to fully compile. Why not? It previously (before I updated with your work) in do_packaging. Why should I not try to fix that QA error? Jun 06 19:26:14 dcordes_: if you find out where to undefine RTMP_EMBEDDED then you should be able to get past that error Jun 06 19:26:34 dcordes_: but I look at code and doubt that it has ever worked properly with 2.6 kernels Jun 06 19:26:58 Laibsch, I'm not objecting your changes, I was just asking. And... Do you mean that you've been about to build it previously? Like qt 4.1.2? I wasn't. Jun 06 19:27:49 XorA|gone: since ASPj told me he tried his triver on his up to date system I was just assuming it would do fine Jun 06 19:28:12 polyonymous: No, I never built it successfully Jun 06 19:28:13 XorA|gone: if you are interested in my attempt building it see my pastebin above Jun 06 19:28:13 dcordes_: edit line 123 of Makefile and remove -DRTMP_EMBEDDED Jun 06 19:28:29 ok let me check Jun 06 19:28:38 dcordes_: and hopefully it will compile Jun 06 19:28:49 Laibsch, Okay, I must have misinterpreted your incomplete sentence (the one after "Why not?"). Jun 06 19:29:01 dcordes_: but the pointer construction they use are illegal and always have been illegal since the conception of C Jun 06 19:29:03 I would have to change the src to my locally changed one with that makefile, right? Jun 06 19:29:18 dcordes_: bitbake blah.bb -c patch Jun 06 19:29:24 dcordes_: edit the Makfile Jun 06 19:29:28 Laibsch, anyway, I hope your changes are fine, although I haven't really tried to understand them or update to them, yet. Jun 06 19:29:29 bitbake blah.bb Jun 06 19:30:09 dcordes_: or better bet is ask Zero_Chaos to support that driver as well Jun 06 19:30:09 polyonymous: The changes are simple. AFAIK, I only added a FILES_${PN}-dbg += line Jun 06 19:30:21 polyonymous: That won't kick in until do_package Jun 06 19:30:32 polyonymous: My error is in do_compile Jun 06 19:30:35 Laibsch, almost. And RDEPENDS too. Well, nevermind. Jun 06 19:30:51 Laibsch, yes, that's exactly what made me wonder, but nevermind. Jun 06 19:30:53 XorA|gone: rt73 is not present at all I think. Here's the source: http://homepages.tu-darmstadt.de/~p_larbig/wlan/rt73-k2wrlz-1.0.0.tar.bz2 Jun 06 19:31:09 polyonymous: RDEPENDS? Need to look. But that should not mess thing up, either Jun 06 19:31:10 Zero_Chaos: maybe if you find time you could take a look at it :) Jun 06 19:31:33 Laibsch, yes, it shouldn't and deps there need more love, anyway, I'm afraid :) Jun 06 19:32:43 dcordes_: if I had some ralink cards and some time I could do it, but I have neither until I return from amsterdam Jun 06 19:32:47 Well, step by step Jun 06 19:32:56 Laibsch, exactly. Jun 06 19:33:02 polyonymous: Next step for me is getting it to compile ;-) Jun 06 19:33:38 Laibsch, have you ever tried to actually find out why do you have this clock skew? I don't think it's because your machine is so fast. Jun 06 19:33:48 people, please do something about monotone on that underpowered monotone.oe.org computer!!! Jun 06 19:34:00 underpowered as in overrun by too many people Jun 06 19:34:09 XorA|gone: I could borrow your my edimax rt73. Jun 06 19:34:21 Laibsch, it's a good sign, though - people do pay attention to OE :) Jun 06 19:34:33 polyonymous: I never bothered as it seems to have never caused trouble that I know of. Jun 06 19:34:58 Laibsch, but the message 'your build may be incomplete' actually makes sense... Jun 06 19:35:01 polyonymous: Sure it is a good thing. But first impression counts, too. And a slow website does not make a good impression Jun 06 19:35:11 Laibsch, also true. Jun 06 19:35:22 Which is why I have been arguing for round-robin DNS or something else to fix this situation Jun 06 19:35:22 XorA|gone: thanks for your attention. Unofortunately I have to leave now Jun 06 19:35:26 later all Jun 06 19:35:46 polyonymous: In the do_compile log or where? Jun 06 19:36:13 Laibsch, do_configure, I think. It's make's message, so all over the place. Jun 06 19:36:37 Laibsch, your build seems to be unconfigured. And that might be because makes doesn't feel the need to update Makefiles because the timestamps. Jun 06 19:36:41 dcordes_: Im AFK again, wife is home Jun 06 19:37:07 and here comes koen with 770 :) Jun 06 19:37:57 yeah, forgot to bring ny laptop Jun 06 19:38:15 it's heavy anyway. Jun 06 19:39:08 koen|770, zecke, XorA|gone: Can't we make monotone.openembedded.org be round-robin DNS? Would that involve kergoth and thus nothing is being done? We really need to fix this! Jun 06 19:39:38 Laibsch: we need more servers ;) Jun 06 19:39:38 polyonymous: What do you think might introduce this? Jun 06 19:39:51 Laibsch: we need some one not being human to collect money to cover hosting Jun 06 19:39:52 zecke: But we do have a couple of mirrors, don't we? Jun 06 19:40:09 zecke: How much is needed? Jun 06 19:40:30 Laibsch: Well round-robin DNS is just hiding the problem and not solving it ;) Jun 06 19:40:45 I don't want the oe@ privkey on untrusted servers Jun 06 19:40:48 zecke: Why don't you approach Sean? They are the ones who brought this about (which I am glad about) Jun 06 19:41:14 Couldn't the openmoko people use a different server by default? Jun 06 19:41:26 And again, how much are we talking about? Jun 06 19:41:27 likewise: pong, probably, yes Jun 06 19:41:35 likewise: but only if you want speed Jun 06 19:41:52 RP: not some compression improvement over zlib? Jun 06 19:42:06 likewise: no, its much faster Jun 06 19:42:34 ah ok, I thought it to be somewhere between zlib and lzma in terms of compression ratio Jun 06 19:42:39 so I am wrong Jun 06 19:42:46 guys, I'm struggling for the 3rd day with my own feed... something is wrong but I can't figure out what; when I do ipkg list_installed I get my package with an older version listed, however a newer one is available in my feed Jun 06 19:42:47 likewise: any news from gerwin? Jun 06 19:42:56 when I do ipkg install packagename in verbose mode Jun 06 19:42:59 koen|770: hello, no.... Jun 06 19:43:03 I see the comparison old/new Jun 06 19:43:11 but it thinks that the new version is already on the system Jun 06 19:43:13 which is wrong... Jun 06 19:43:14 any ideas? Jun 06 19:43:21 likewise: It gives about 5% less compression than zlib Jun 06 19:43:34 likewise: lzma is higher compression? Jun 06 19:43:46 lzma: yes, very high ratio Jun 06 19:43:50 ... Old versions from pkg_hash_fetch 1.0.1+svn20070606015532-r0 - but that is the new and not the old version! why does it think that it is already installed? Jun 06 19:43:57 likewise: but slower again? Jun 06 19:44:13 RP: hmm, not sure. I think yes, slower than zlib. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lempel-Ziv-Markov_algorithm Jun 06 19:45:01 RP: good overview here: http://tukaani.org/lzma/ Jun 06 19:46:42 likewise: So quite a bit slower :) Jun 06 19:51:19 Laibsch: openmoko brought this about? Jun 06 19:52:20 ibot: forget oemirros Jun 06 19:52:21 i forgot oemirros, hrw|gone Jun 06 19:53:40 hrw|gone: any news on OEDEM, that would be good to discuss stuff like hosting Jun 06 19:54:36 XorA|gone: oh only a private mail :} Jun 06 19:54:40 i'm getting ERROR: No providers of runtime build target # (for ['/opt/OE/org.openembedded.dev/packages/tasks/task-base.bb']), but task-base.bb exists there, any one know what could cause this? Jun 06 19:55:03 XorA|gone: We don#t clash with Guadec or Akademy, then there is marcin's wedding and iirc august was a targeted date for marcin Jun 06 19:55:21 is the problem of slow mtn responces because bandwith/server or both ? Jun 06 19:55:27 XorA|gone: ops. I forgot that you are not on private.. Jun 06 19:55:29 zecke: you should all go to Akademy as that is next to me :-) Jun 06 19:56:03 hrw: an oversite? or purposeful? Jun 06 19:56:25 XorA|gone: well, I think I will skip both akademy and guadec this year Jun 06 19:56:54 XorA|gone: sent mail Jun 06 19:57:07 * hrw brb Jun 06 19:59:12 hrw: cheers Jun 06 20:00:07 stupid maemo crap Jun 06 20:00:27 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * rbc3cedd5... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-efika_2.6.21+git.bb): Jun 06 20:00:27 packages/linux/linux-efika_2.6.21+git.bb : Set DEFAULT_PREFERENCE for the git kernel to -1 Jun 06 20:00:27 in order to use a stable kernel as default Jun 06 20:03:48 XorA|gone: got it? Jun 06 20:05:41 Laibsch, the clockskew? Unfortunately, I have no good idea Jun 06 20:07:55 polyonymous: any.screenshots off qt4reader? Jun 06 20:08:10 koen, I can make one Jun 06 20:08:43 * polyonymous is rebooting into x11-image Jun 06 20:09:38 koen, seen Laibach's failed qt4 build? I have no idea what causes it, but blame it on his clockskew. I may be wrong though, but you may have some ideas. Jun 06 20:10:11 didn't see it Jun 06 20:10:39 can look at it tomorrow night Jun 06 20:11:05 ok, just thought you might have an idea. Jun 06 20:11:12 I missed the altboot prompt :) Jun 06 20:14:56 later all Jun 06 20:16:38 uh. And I was about to make a screenshot :) Jun 06 20:16:59 * summatusmentis needs to setup another parition on his 3200 for testing Jun 06 20:17:18 summatusmentis, why partition? Jun 06 20:17:19 hrw: received Jun 06 20:17:53 polyonymous: because I've got the space, and it's easier to image the drive than to make a loop image Jun 06 20:18:06 summatusmentis, it's much easier to chroot :) Jun 06 20:18:23 this is what I'm doing on 3100 Jun 06 20:19:06 chroot? I'm unfamiliar w/ that process Jun 06 20:20:06 Laibsch: hmmm, I think I see why mtn is slow now: Jun 06 20:20:08 hvontres@serenity:~$ uptime 22:21:37 up 42 days, 2:34, 1 user, load average: 11.35, 12.16, 13.15 Jun 06 20:20:25 ouch Jun 06 20:20:41 hm Jun 06 20:20:50 ~see florian Jun 06 20:20:54 * ibot whispers to florian "You didn't see anything...." Jun 06 20:20:55 summatusmentis, http://rafb.net/p/1EEFEF82.html - something along these lines, but could be done better. Jun 06 20:21:01 ~seen florian Jun 06 20:21:17 I can tell you the only thing running on opensource.wolfsonmicro.com is mtn :-) Jun 06 20:21:33 florian was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 11d 23h 14m 1s ago, saying: 'zecke: indeed :-)'. Jun 06 20:30:44 hvontres|poodle: the load can be explained? Jun 06 20:34:51 likewise: do you have an account on projects.linuxtogo.org? Jun 06 20:35:15 hvontres|poodle: not that I know... let me check Jun 06 20:36:41 hvontres|poodle: no Jun 06 20:36:56 cu Jun 06 20:37:20 likewise: looking at top, it looks like somebody is hitting a postgress db pretty hard Jun 06 20:37:57 likewise: yay...mtn is now at the top :) Jun 06 20:39:46 hvontres|poodle: I think he is in peking Jun 06 20:39:48 hvontres|poodle: Is this your server? Jun 06 20:40:16 hvontres|poodle: probably drupal resisting spam loading the server Jun 06 20:40:33 hvontres|poodle: I know comment SPAM can make my server crawl Jun 06 20:40:41 Laibsch: no. IIRC that is the servoer that runs monotone.openembedded.org and some other stuff Jun 06 20:41:24 which server? You have shell access? Jun 06 20:41:40 whose server is it? Jun 06 20:42:30 Laibsch: its LTG's. you get shell acess with every developer account. (as peon user of course) Jun 06 20:42:42 koen: are you sure it's good idea to add all that gl/mesa stuff to angstrom? Jun 06 20:43:10 Laibsch: and yes ping confirms that projects.linuxtogo.org == monotone.openembedded.org Jun 06 20:43:19 could it be me? Jun 06 20:43:23 im running pull Jun 06 20:43:31 with mtn Jun 06 20:44:15 hvontres|poodle: What distinguishes a dev account from a normal account? Jun 06 20:45:09 Laibsch: not sure... I signed up at projects.linuxtogo.org a while back. The same login woks for ssh :) Jun 06 20:46:45 OK, I will try. Jun 06 20:46:56 MAybe this is a feature I just did not know about Jun 06 20:49:14 i thought i saw a link a few days ago on the wiki about how to make your own bb file, i can't seem to find it today though, anyone have a link? Jun 06 20:49:37 BB Collections? Jun 06 20:50:58 i don't think so, i want to try and add some .bb files to the image i'm building, but its not filled out in the user manuel yet, and i remembered that link Jun 06 20:53:07 Crofton: i'm not sure what you mean by collections Jun 06 20:53:34 org.openembedded.dev/packages/*/*.bb ? Jun 06 20:54:55 a way to keep local collections outside main package db Jun 06 20:55:24 web site is slow ... Jun 06 20:56:28 XorA|gone: I believe it should be obvious that a large number of the people pulling are from openmoko background. Jun 06 20:56:43 http://www.openembedded.org/user-manual&dpage=special_bitbake_collections Jun 06 20:56:52 netstat -at ? Jun 06 20:57:00 see where the connections are? Jun 06 20:57:04 XorA|gone: Thus, I believe it would be only fair if FIC helped with dealing with the bandwidth and server requirements Jun 06 20:57:40 where are the openmok devs? Jun 06 21:03:01 Crofton: thanks :) Jun 06 21:04:28 is there a page that details the basics on making a .bb file for a new package? Jun 06 21:05:20 Crofton: looking at netstat, it looks like yahoo, inktomi bots are at work :( Jun 06 21:07:38 wirelessdreamer: on our slowly served website is a manual which has a couple of examples Jun 06 21:07:52 wirelessdreamer: please report feedback though Jun 06 21:11:49 i printed out the pdf version posted at angstrom-distribution.org yesterday, so i have most of the docs already, the other links i've been sent i printed to go with them Jun 06 21:12:12 is the a wiki that doc was generated from we could help update? Jun 06 21:14:30 wirelessdreamer: the docbook is available in a branch Jun 06 21:14:46 wirelessdreamer: the manual gets automatically created from the docbook once a day iirc Jun 06 21:30:19 hvontres|poodle: Good hint about the ssh access Jun 06 21:30:29 I got in easily, too Jun 06 21:30:43 I think the machine is I/O bound Jun 06 21:31:09 the CPU hovers around 4-5%, the rest is waiting with a load of 5-10 Jun 06 21:38:26 Laibsch: can you run top and look for iowait% ? Jun 06 21:38:53 good nite Jun 06 21:40:49 iowait? I only know about general wait Jun 06 21:48:01 * * OE Bug 2419 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by pmiscml@gmail.com Jun 06 21:48:03 * *  qpegps wont compile, fix follows Jun 06 21:48:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2419 Jun 06 22:03:38 whats the command to update the oe database with monotone Jun 06 22:03:57 mtn pull monotoneserver Jun 06 22:04:01 than mtn up Jun 06 22:05:24 thanks Jun 06 22:07:45 hi Jun 06 22:13:16 mtn --db=OE.mtn pull worked fine Jun 06 22:13:19 !oebug 2417 Jun 06 22:13:21 * * Bug 2417, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-06-05 04:25 Jun 06 22:13:22 * * marek.vasut(AT)gmail.com: ScummVM doesnt compie (fix included) Jun 06 22:13:23 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2417 Jun 06 22:13:24 mtn up doesn't Jun 06 22:13:40 workspace required but not found Jun 06 22:13:50 psokolovsky_, ? Jun 06 22:14:25 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r618bda05... 10/ (1 classes/palmtop.bbclass classes/qmake-base.bbclass): palmtop.bbclass: Finally, set qte library variant (MT vs non-MT) at the proper place. Jun 06 22:14:32 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rde933998... 10/ (1 packages/qpegps/qpegps_0.9.3.bb): Jun 06 22:14:32 qpegps 0.9.3: Fix build. Jun 06 22:14:32 * Based on patches by Angus Ainslie and Marek Vasut. Jun 06 22:14:32 * Closes #2419. Jun 06 22:19:01 * * OE Bug 2417 has been RESOLVED (INVALID) by pmiscml@gmail.com Jun 06 22:19:03 * *  ScummVM doesnt compie (fix included) Jun 06 22:19:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2417 Jun 06 22:27:53 CoreDump|home: I am about to unify the altboot recipes a bit Jun 06 22:28:08 Is it OK to drop the intro? Jun 06 22:28:15 sure Jun 06 22:28:23 I will show you a diff before committing Jun 06 22:28:47 a cleanup would be most welcome. Jun 06 22:30:33 hmmm.. build seems to be haning at mtd-utils do_fetch Jun 06 22:32:46 wirelessdreamer: is that you who updates AngstromFaq wiki? Jun 06 22:33:39 yea Jun 06 22:33:55 sry about not commenting the first one Jun 06 22:33:58 CoreDump|home: Any versions that can be just plain dropped? Jun 06 22:33:59 just noticed where that box was Jun 06 22:34:39 CoreDump|home: That of course makes it a lot easier since mostly the old stuff is different and hard to unify. Jun 06 22:35:07 wirelessdreamer: well, I'd say, there're issues with your additions. in plain words, you cannot put anything you didn't know and happen to get know, there. Jun 06 22:35:28 Laibsch: altboot_1.0.5.bb can be dropped as probably nobody uses kernel 2.4 anymore anyway. Also altboot_1.1.1+wip-20061123.bb is probably obsolete Jun 06 22:35:38 !oebug 2422 Jun 06 22:35:40 * * Bug 2422, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-06-05 23:24 Jun 06 22:35:41 * * hvontres(AT)gmail.com: bb file for altboot 1.0.9 pre-release Jun 06 22:35:41 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2422 Jun 06 22:35:53 CoreDump|home: ^^^^^^ Jun 06 22:35:56 hvontres|poodle: I saw that =) Jun 06 22:36:06 wirelessdreamer: that page is user-facing faq for *angstrom*. Random OE-related command has little to do with it. There're deciated pages for that stuff. no need to duplicate that info. Jun 06 22:36:07 CoreDump|home: I was surprised to find out that some devices still use 2.4. I believe some ipaqs do Jun 06 22:36:20 Unslung still does as well. Jun 06 22:36:26 Laibsch: ipaqs were never supported Jun 06 22:36:39 altboot_1.0.8.bb can be removed as well since hvontres|poodle created a 1.0.9 Jun 06 22:36:39 isn't it useful though to put the basic questions people will ask when they start with oe on the faq? Jun 06 22:36:40 CoreDump|home: unlung devices? Jun 06 22:36:48 Laibsch: same Jun 06 22:36:50 (Unslung isn't supported by altboot either, though) Jun 06 22:36:51 CoreDump|home: have fun playing with it. So far I have updated the main init-script and my kernel picker Jun 06 22:36:59 i didn't know the question, but i had it so i answered it and posted the answer Jun 06 22:37:03 CoreDump|home: I will integrate the new version from hvontres|poodle and commit it Jun 06 22:37:10 I want to clean up first, though Jun 06 22:37:10 Laibsch: excellent Jun 06 22:37:32 CoreDump|home: you might want to wait a bit before dropping 1.0.8, since my stuff is still highly experimental :) Jun 06 22:37:36 * didn't know the answer to start with Jun 06 22:37:43 wirelessdreamer: no. read again - it's user-facing faq for *angstrom*, period. Jun 06 22:37:56 hvontres|poodle: I agree. I will commit your stuff with default_pref -1 Jun 06 22:38:06 * CoreDump|home nods Jun 06 22:38:16 is there a seperate faq for building angstrom somewhere? Jun 06 22:38:25 wirelessdreamer: if everyone will dump there something he doesn't know or considers related, it will be a mess. Jun 06 22:38:37 hvontres|poodle: call it a release candidate or -pre$something then ;) Jun 06 22:39:01 OK, then I drop altboot_1.0.5.bb and altboot_1.1.1+wip-20061123.bb Jun 06 22:39:09 CoreDump|home: not to mention there are still some ugly hacks in there...(replace ' ' with '@@', later replace '@@' with ' ') Jun 06 22:39:11 wirelessdreamer: yes, there're awfully lots of docs around, and you really should read them all, before starting your own ;-) Jun 06 22:39:18 CoreDump|home: I will try to find a correct name and will contact you before committing. Jun 06 22:39:33 Laibsch: right Jun 06 22:39:39 hvontres|poodle: hehe Jun 06 22:40:13 sry that wasn't my intention, just trying to find if there is a faq for people that don't have the build system down of common problems people ran into and why Jun 06 22:40:34 CoreDump|home: but after a week of trying to get shell scripts to correctly qoute a string I gave in to the dark side Jun 06 22:40:55 hvontres|poodle: :\ Jun 06 22:41:01 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rc5e7d55e... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): qpegps: Unify. Jun 06 22:41:01 * * OE Bug 2428 has been created by carbonfreeze@gmail.com Jun 06 22:41:04 * * ipkg fills root parition space during upgrade or update Jun 06 22:41:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2428 Jun 06 22:43:36 CoreDump|home: well, maybe now that it's out there some smart person can figure out how to do this right :) Jun 06 22:43:37 wirelessdreamer: I really hope you didn't see those links, though that's hard to believe: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted , http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ Jun 06 22:43:56 wirelessdreamer: use google cache if in doubt, e.g. http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:XYvrNAUmT7IJ:www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted+openembedded+gettingstarted&hl=uk&client=firefox-a&strip=1 Jun 06 22:49:42 oe.org is slow again Jun 06 22:49:52 I think this is not a load but a design issue Jun 06 22:50:31 load at 17.35, 17.82, 13.84 Jun 06 22:50:37 80-90% in waiting state Jun 06 22:50:46 Maybe a failing disk? Jun 06 22:50:47 some crap with the server, just that Jun 06 22:50:58 The machine does seem to have enough RAM Jun 06 22:51:01 too many folks have shell accounts ;-E Jun 06 22:51:01 4GB Jun 06 22:51:29 psokolovsky_: Maybe that is another problem, but there are not many people logged in so it is not the cause Jun 06 22:51:50 psokolovsky_: thanks for the links, i think i skimmed gettingstarted to fast before and forgot about it Jun 06 22:52:01 it's enough 1 logged in to run some crap and cause issues ;-) Jun 06 22:52:22 psokolovsky_: Well, but that crap should show up in top ever once in a while. Jun 06 22:52:56 holy shit, the whole f*cking wiki is borked now Jun 06 22:55:15 if the host has dynaticks and high resolution timers enabled, is an smp box with a >2.18 kernel that could be causing network issues, but thats alot of if's Jun 06 22:56:37 i had a p4 ht with 2.6.21 that would transfer 10meg asec for a few gigs, then throttle down to 100k a sec because of an unfixed bug in new kernels Jun 06 23:00:36 wirelessdreamer: How do I find out Jun 06 23:00:54 This is an AMD opteron, 2 GHz, 1 G RAM (not 4 as I first thought Jun 06 23:01:01 * * OE Bug 2429 has been created by carbonfreeze@gmail.com Jun 06 23:01:03 * * spitz keymap issues in 20070605 Jun 06 23:01:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2429 Jun 06 23:01:15 dual core? Jun 06 23:01:19 wirelessdreamer: Any public bug report about this? Jun 06 23:01:32 i read a post on it yesterday Jun 06 23:01:47 they've been having a hard time finding what exactly does it Jun 06 23:01:55 i'll look for a link to it for you Jun 06 23:02:44 zcat /proc/config.gz |grep CONFIG_NO_HZ Jun 06 23:03:02 zcat /proc/config.gz |grep CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS Jun 06 23:03:55 wirelessdreamer: /proc/config.gz ? Jun 06 23:04:20 that is, if your kernel has it compiled in. Jun 06 23:04:24 kernel 2.6.8 Jun 06 23:04:28 On Debian stable Jun 06 23:04:37 2.6.8 didn't haev dyanaticks Jun 06 23:04:41 No, /proc/config.gz does not exist Jun 06 23:04:44 that wouldn't be it Jun 06 23:04:50 its a kernel options to save the config to proc Jun 06 23:04:53 OK, thanks for giving it a try Jun 06 23:05:02 OK, never seen it Jun 06 23:05:12 I sent a mail to oe-dev Jun 06 23:06:21 it CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC for access to config in proc/config.gz, not sure when it was added to the kernel Jun 06 23:16:57 for anyone that wants to see the thread about dynaticks - http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/5/28/195 Jun 06 23:59:34 hi Jun 07 00:01:48 For the record, here is the patch, http://bugzilla.openedhand.com/show_bug.cgi?id=364 Jun 07 00:13:01 * * OE Bug 2422 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by bugs.openembedded.org@rolf.leggewie.biz Jun 07 00:13:03 * *  bb file for altboot 1.0.9 pre-release Jun 07 00:13:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2422 Jun 07 00:43:38 hi Jun 07 00:48:53 03coredump2 07org.oe.dev * ra1baa40d... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): usb-gadget-mode: Move /etc/usb-gadget.conf to /etc/default/usb-gadget as suggested on the ML Jun 07 00:49:02 03coredump2 07org.oe.dev * re2163ec9... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): display-brightness: Always try to turn on the backlight when raising the brightness level Jun 07 00:49:16 03coredump2 07org.oe.dev * rbaa72ec9... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): xserver-common: Unb0rk the five h/w hotkeys for SL-Cxx00 Jun 07 02:55:19 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r228a64b0... 10/ (1 packages/qt/qt4-x11-free_4.3.0.bb): qt4-x11-free: fix typo in packaging declaration for debug files. Jun 07 02:55:25 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * rb9846cef... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): altboot: drop obsolete versions altboot_1.0.5.bb and altboot_1.1.1+wip-20061123.bb Jun 07 02:55:32 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * rf4d690e2... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Jun 07 02:55:32 altboot: unify. Jun 07 02:55:32 Some custom routines can probably be unified as well. Jun 07 02:55:45 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r93834a70... 10/ (1 packages/altboot/altboot.inc): altboot: simplify RRECOMMENDS Jun 07 02:55:51 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r3522489c... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Jun 07 02:55:51 altboot: add latest work from hvontres (kexec, menu) Jun 07 02:55:51 default preference of -1 Jun 07 02:55:51 update README.txt to reflect the latest situation **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 07 02:59:58 2007