**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 11 02:59:57 2007 Jun 11 03:58:21 hmm Jun 11 03:58:45 didn't we have a shortcut to rebuild the package indexes? Jun 11 04:55:46 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r03be01b1... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ftpd-topfield: Updated to 0.7.4 Jun 11 06:07:19 morning all Jun 11 06:21:20 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r4d733b36... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-magicbox_2.6.19.2.bb): packages/linux/linux-magicbox_2.6.19.2.bb : Set correct path for images Jun 11 06:33:02 good morning all Jun 11 06:33:31 morning koen Jun 11 06:33:35 heloo koen Jun 11 06:33:51 'bitbake package-index' is what you were looking for Jun 11 06:34:00 hey poli, long time no irc Jun 11 06:34:22 mickey|fic: monkeying through testing the first run? Jun 11 06:34:48 true, koen. I have been away from my hx4700 for some time. :( Jun 11 06:36:23 By the way, how is angstrom for getting her up and running again? :) Jun 11 06:36:53 it should be pretty good, but you'd have to poke psokolovsky for a kernel update Jun 11 06:37:18 kernel update? Jun 11 06:37:56 from 2.6.16 to 2.6.21 Jun 11 06:38:25 :) Jun 11 06:39:01 * zecke now cycles to the uni Jun 11 06:39:22 koen: not yet. we'll get the test run later this week. doing some planning Jun 11 06:39:44 and evaluating.... Jun 11 06:39:45 :D Jun 11 07:45:49 morning Jun 11 07:47:01 hey hrw Jun 11 07:47:27 mickey|fic: how goes taipei? Jun 11 07:50:21 pretty well Jun 11 07:50:27 been working all day and nite :D Jun 11 07:51:04 mickey|fic: what time is @taipei now? Jun 11 07:52:23 15:52 Jun 11 07:52:36 +6 then Jun 11 07:52:41 yeah Jun 11 07:53:16 ~seen justinp Jun 11 07:53:43 justinp was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 13d 11h 9m 28s ago, saying: 'having problems with it?'. Jun 11 07:55:46 mickey|fic: tried evas from cvs yet? Jun 11 07:55:54 gustavo added some nice optimizations Jun 11 07:56:51 mickey|fic: http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/06/03/evas-now-using-rectangle-split-and-merge/ Jun 11 08:02:27 koen: your machines are slow.. Jun 11 08:02:32 [ 4] 0.0-10.0 sec 112 MBytes 93.9 Mbits/sec Jun 11 08:02:34 nslu2 Jun 11 08:03:15 ~lart my laptop Jun 11 08:03:16 * ibot keeps mailing my laptop free America Online CDs until he drowns Jun 11 08:03:28 most of time I have to boot it twice :( Jun 11 08:04:08 hrw: you forgot -f M Jun 11 08:04:41 [ 4] 0.0- 5.0 sec 56.0 MBytes 11.2 MBytes/sec Jun 11 08:04:54 koen: woot! thanks. this is getting more exciting every day... Jun 11 08:05:08 [ 5] 0.0- 5.0 sec 58.1 MBytes 11.6 MBytes/sec Jun 11 08:05:49 hrw: which driver is that? Jun 11 08:06:02 koen: do you know offhand how the default font size is computed in evas? Jun 11 08:06:10 koen: openslug 3.10 default (2.6.16) on nslu2 Jun 11 08:06:20 demoing etk on a neo atm., but the fonts are a tad bit too tiny Jun 11 08:06:31 mickey|fic: I have no idea, sorry Jun 11 08:06:35 koen: second machine is laptop with tg3 (gigabit) on 100Mbps network Jun 11 08:07:00 [ 4] 0.0- 5.0 sec 383 MBytes 76.6 MBytes/sec :) Jun 11 08:07:13 koen: gigabit network Jun 11 08:07:17 yep Jun 11 08:07:29 and I'm running out of switchport for these devboards Jun 11 08:08:02 koen: I only have 100Mbps switch (in wrt54gs) here Jun 11 08:08:21 steliosk was also suprised about the efika Jun 11 08:08:25 laptop has 1GbE, desktop has 1GbE (not used) + 3com 100MbE Jun 11 08:08:34 I think I still have the old ethernet driver Jun 11 08:09:51 hmm. my wifi is only 3.44Mbps Jun 11 08:10:42 mickey|fic: try fixing the xserver dpi ;) Jun 11 08:12:36 mickey|fic: hey :) been up all night coding? Jun 11 08:13:43 koen: doesn't change anything Jun 11 08:13:52 robtaylor: more or less :) Jun 11 08:14:05 apparantly the dpi setting is not honoroed Jun 11 08:14:09 in Efl Jun 11 08:14:12 hmm Jun 11 08:14:14 which is strange Jun 11 08:24:52 koen: wifi speed is strange - my Zaurus with hostap has 5Mbps in both tests. laptop with bcm43xx has 2.8-3.3Mbps one way and 8.5-10.7Mbps in other Jun 11 08:29:08 indeed Jun 11 08:29:15 http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/06/11/obexftp-changes/ Jun 11 09:21:02 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf9ff12dc... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom: unbreak devices that have CONFIG_PACKET=m Jun 11 09:42:36 hi Jun 11 09:42:53 steliosk: hell, not me. mickeyl is! Jun 11 09:43:12 steliosk: mickeyl will write a german (to be translated) book on OE Jun 11 09:43:19 steliosk: I only hope to contribute to it Jun 11 09:43:43 zecke : Thanks Jun 11 09:44:08 mickey|fic : What's the status on the book ? Jun 11 09:47:01 steliosk: he is currently searching for child labor in Taiwan Jun 11 09:47:35 zecke : heh wrong country :) Jun 11 10:08:33 hi zecke Jun 11 10:09:28 ho Jun 11 10:10:02 florian: I forwarded you the mail Jun 11 10:10:50 good morning everyone! Jun 11 10:11:16 polyonymous_: You mean I should just DEPENDS on python-pyqt instead of python-pyqt4? Jun 11 10:11:35 zecke: ok - many thanks... i'll take a look once I have a working PC again. Jun 11 10:11:56 florian: Your PC is broken, too? Jun 11 10:12:12 how is the ltg.org machine doing? Jun 11 10:13:20 Laibsch: one is upgrading and one seems to have trouble with its harddisk. Jun 11 10:14:36 which one is upgrading? Jun 11 10:14:55 upgrading software or hardware? Jun 11 10:15:10 Laibsch: I started to watch it... currently it seems that some usage situations cause filling up the memory. Jun 11 10:15:59 Laibsch: Generating the oe manual seems to trigger it sometimes ;) Jun 11 10:16:09 hmm Jun 11 10:16:55 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rcaa0c450... 10/ (17 files in 14 dirs): (log message trimmed) Jun 11 10:16:55 linux-handhelds-2.6: Drop 2.6.21-hh4, add 2.6.21-hh6. Jun 11 10:16:55 * Changes since -hh5 are: Jun 11 10:16:55 1. inpit_pda.h: Use KEY_POWER directly, has safe value. Jun 11 10:16:55 2. asus716: PCMCIA cleanup. Jun 11 10:16:55 3. h5000, htcmagician: Use mtd physmap driver. Jun 11 10:16:57 4. htcmagician: Phone PM improvements. Jun 11 10:18:18 psokolovsky_: nice work Jun 11 10:18:31 Hi! Jun 11 10:18:34 florian: Can you reduce memory consumption? Or just upgrade RAM? Jun 11 10:19:09 hrw: please have a look at initramfs-related stuff I commiited yesterday. Will post not-hardcode-ipkg-dep a bit later. Jun 11 10:21:58 hi z72ka Jun 11 10:22:09 hrw: Hi Jun 11 10:22:15 hrw: I am back :) Jun 11 10:22:20 psokolovsky_: if time allow Jun 11 10:32:16 psokolovsky_: I noticed that angstrom-minimal-image has no pending postinsts :) Jun 11 10:32:47 psokolovsky_: don't forget to bump the hh kernel ver in angstrom Jun 11 10:32:54 koen: nice ;-) Jun 11 10:33:28 koen: well, we're still on .20 in angstrom, still pending flash issues sort out to bump to .21 ;-I Jun 11 10:34:00 .20 on my hx has also issues with writing to flash Jun 11 10:36:18 koen: well, machine-specific flash issues are known for long time ;-). it's like .21 simply doesn't work for our devices at all (that consistent mapping matter) Jun 11 10:41:14 Laibsch: We'll see... currently the major share of memory is used by monotone. Jun 11 10:42:05 Laibsch: But i'm working on getting some upgrade... Jun 11 10:42:39 and OE's mtn server will be moved to another server as well Jun 11 10:43:06 ~seen gerwinin Jun 11 10:43:19 koen: oh I didn't know that... but yes, that should fix all resource problems :-) Jun 11 10:43:29 not all Jun 11 10:43:58 gerwinin was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 15d 12h 45m 54s ago, saying: 'Can you pastbin your error ?'. Jun 11 10:44:12 <_law_> hmm is http://www.openembedded.org/aggregator/sources/1 down? Jun 11 10:44:36 koen: A major part at least since this will free up lots of RAM. Jun 11 10:46:36 florian : What type of memory the server takes ? Jun 11 10:47:35 steliosk: That's not the problem... RAM is cheap enough, but I don't know offhand if we can get physical access to that machine. Jun 11 10:48:25 florian: even if not then adding memory to machine can be done by hosting team Jun 11 10:50:03 hrw: right, i just need to get the procedure for that... Jun 11 10:50:24 If its a memory only issue and we can upgrade the server i think we can get a couple of extra GB of ram Jun 11 10:51:08 hrw: I need to check if I can find that here... unluckily Nils who took care about the paperwork is on a plane again. Jun 11 10:51:10 depends how much server can take Jun 11 10:52:28 hrw. Yes that can be a problem, but usually servers (even the old ones) can go to 2 GB (4x512) Jun 11 10:52:48 steliosk, hrw: Even if it only takes two we should be out of trouble. Jun 11 10:52:58 ah.. we have only 1G there.. Jun 11 10:53:12 I checked the disks some days ago... they are fast enough. Jun 11 10:53:40 I think we can pledge some money for the update also. (if money is an issue) Jun 11 10:54:39 iirc Nils mentioned a potential sponsor for a second machine as well - that would be something nice to have, especially if it is located in the same location. Jun 11 10:55:42 then we even could have the databases on a different machine than the webserver which should improve security quite a lot. Jun 11 10:57:42 florian: and that will take ltg shell users out of many servces to break (as they will only get them only remotely) Jun 11 10:58:14 hrw: right Jun 11 10:58:40 upgrading to a newer kernel with a better scheduler would help as well Jun 11 10:59:26 hrw: i'll ask about the status for that... but it might take some time, i guess he is trapped behind a nasty firewall till the end of the week. Jun 11 11:00:06 koen: that would be good to try... Jun 11 11:03:57 florian: moving /var/www to /media/data should help as well (and reversing the swap priorities after that) Jun 11 11:06:18 koen: true Jun 11 11:06:58 and adding some job that removes the old backups should help to keep disk space free Jun 11 11:07:36 or attach cheap bit ATA hdd only for backups Jun 11 11:07:55 but as 'cheap' it cant be trusted so it is not a solution Jun 11 11:08:02 hrw: we have a "cheap" ftp for backups :) Jun 11 11:08:27 huhu Jun 11 11:08:36 bbiab Jun 11 11:18:58 is drupal any good? Jun 11 11:19:41 it's among the most used CMSes Jun 11 11:19:54 that's not what I was asking :) Jun 11 11:20:47 it works pretty nice if you install a few extra modules Jun 11 11:20:50 windows is among the most used OS' Jun 11 11:20:54 ok Jun 11 11:21:16 I take that as luke warm endorsement Jun 11 11:21:19 :) Jun 11 11:22:51 the angstrom site and my blog run on drupal Jun 11 11:23:19 I need to set up a "business" site for myself Jun 11 11:23:44 and want to do better then "vi index.html" Jun 11 11:30:41 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rb531370c... 10/ (1 packages/iperf/iperf_2.0.2.bb): iperf: run gnu-configize Jun 11 11:41:30 funny thing I got with my athlon64 Jun 11 11:45:31 it can be overclocked in BIOS but cpufreq module will use original frequencies anyway Jun 11 11:47:37 madwifi-ng-r2187-20070309/ath_hal/xscale-be-elf.hal.o has EABI version 0, but target madwifi-ng-r2187-20070309/ath_hal/ath_hal.o has EABI version 4 ?? Jun 11 11:50:04 busybox-static iosent building because of some missing defconfig file. Is that something i should report as a bug, or is there something i should add my self? Jun 11 11:50:07 * koen reads http://www.ece.vt.edu/swe/chamrad/crdocs/SDR06_SM_Hasan.pdf Jun 11 11:50:47 arg Jun 11 11:50:57 How did you find that? Jun 11 11:51:02 Laibsch, no, that's not exactly what I meant, but I'm not sure what to make out of it all yet :) Jun 11 11:51:12 Hasan ate 34 lobsters at that conference Jun 11 11:51:43 http://www.ece.vt.edu/swe/chamrad/crdocs/SDR06_SM_Hasan.pdf Jun 11 11:51:53 Crofton: I googled for "blackfin openembedded" Jun 11 11:52:09 ah Jun 11 11:52:22 the blackfin uses uclinux Jun 11 11:52:29 yes Jun 11 11:52:37 he doesn't really care about the baseband work anymore Jun 11 11:52:44 he is more of a Rf guy Jun 11 11:52:52 I want to add bfin support to OE when I have some time Jun 11 11:53:19 that would be cool Jun 11 11:53:44 He has a blackfin board Jun 11 11:53:55 * koen never worked with uclinux before Jun 11 11:54:05 koen: that would be cool btw :> Jun 11 11:58:15 seems to compile the madwifi drivers is kinda task Jun 11 12:07:05 hmm if i do a bitbake meta-toolchain it complains at populate_sdk that it misses "binutils-cross-sdk" "gcc-cross-sdk" and "gdb-cross" ...although i baked those already ?? Jun 11 12:13:31 rob_w|mib: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2393 Jun 11 12:15:01 * * OE Bug 1945 has been marked as DUPLICATE of bug 2393 by koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl Jun 11 12:15:03 koen, thanks Jun 11 12:15:03 * *  update meta-toolchain to work with new ipk directory structure Jun 11 12:15:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1945 Jun 11 12:17:34 marked resolved .. so i just pull and should be fine , eh ? Jun 11 12:19:46 rob_w|mib: mind the numbers Jun 11 12:20:38 oh 2393 is still open .. i se Jun 11 12:26:01 * * OE Bug 2149 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by skliarieh@gmail.com Jun 11 12:26:03 * *  angstrom collie image brings up bootsplash in landscape mode Jun 11 12:26:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2149 Jun 11 12:33:30 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rb7811bc1... 10/ (1 packages/meta/meta-toolchain.bb): meta-toolchain: apply some bits of #2393, still incomplete Jun 11 12:40:07 koen tell me , i am osing a overlay changeset , like openmoko does to keep my personal changes from interferring pulls from org.openembedded.org ..now i made a own ixp4xx-kernel.bb file but it seems it still try`s to compile the org.dev one when i compile fe madwifi Jun 11 12:40:24 I stopped using overlays Jun 11 12:40:28 too much trouble Jun 11 12:40:54 well my personal stuff is mostly hacks and tricks not worth to check in i think Jun 11 12:41:16 hmm i see Jun 11 12:42:20 maybe the madwifi stuff is also kinda broken as it seems it mismatches arch´s .. somehow checks for my host arch and not the cross env one Jun 11 12:44:01 * * OE Bug 2323 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by bugs.openembedded.org@rolf.leggewie.biz Jun 11 12:44:03 * *  angstrom collie: suspend support Jun 11 12:44:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2323 Jun 11 12:50:19 koen http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=822 shows my problem and a maybe solution .. is this worth to apply ? Jun 11 12:51:57 dunno Jun 11 12:52:01 I don't use madwifi Jun 11 12:52:24 ~lart binutils Jun 11 12:52:24 * ibot accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets binutils feel it Jun 11 12:53:15 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r4d572f4c... 10/ (9 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed) Jun 11 12:53:15 Blackfin support: Jun 11 12:53:15 * siteinfo.bbclass, bfin-common: autofoo support Jun 11 12:53:15 * kernel-arch.bbclass, linux-libc-headers_2.6.20.bb: bfin -> blackfin mapping for the kernel Jun 11 12:53:15 * insane.bbclass: stubs for bfin arch, needs proper number, but that will get reported when it encounters the first binary Jun 11 12:53:16 * uclibc: config for adsp-bf537-stamp machine Jun 11 12:53:20 * adsp-bf537-stamp.conf: machine description for adsp-bf537-stamp board (http://www.analog.com/en/prod/0%2C2877%2CBF537%25252DSTAMP%2C00.html) Jun 11 12:54:01 koen : what's the problem with binutils ? i have found some weird stuff happening on 64bit host also Jun 11 12:54:07 koen: there're patches from slapin and me to add sane multilayout support to matchbox-keyboard. Before submitting it to ohand, we'd like to do more wider testing. Do you think it would be ok to apply them to main recipe, or better to add separate one? Jun 11 12:55:13 psokolovsky_: main recipe Jun 11 12:55:23 koen: ok, thanks Jun 11 12:55:32 RP: may I abuse you for a couple of minutes? Jun 11 12:56:09 zecke: certainly :) Jun 11 12:56:37 I will break poky on my c760 again Jun 11 13:04:16 BusyBox v1.6.0 (2007-06-11 14:53:40 CEST) multi-call binary Jun 11 13:07:17 1.6.0?? Someone must like pain... Jun 11 13:08:27 * mwester is still patching busybox 1.3.1 :( Jun 11 13:08:35 mwester: pain of using 1.01 Jun 11 13:11:20 * koen has been thinking about upgrading to 1.6.0 Jun 11 13:12:41 RP: fastest build so far was 84 minutes 30 sec. for bootstrap-image with oplinux as distro (gcc 4.1.1/glibc 2.5) and machine magicbox (ppc405) Jun 11 13:15:13 RP: bad luck, it is a private school project Jun 11 13:20:24 steliosk: Not bad :) Jun 11 13:24:21 zecke: When is the QA log written to disk? After everything is finished? I have set QA_LOG to 1 from yes and still see file in $TMPDIR Jun 11 13:25:25 Laibsch: sorry it is $T Jun 11 13:25:40 Laibsch: and as long as QA_LOG has anything set it will be written Jun 11 13:25:55 $T? Where is that? Jun 11 13:26:16 Laibsch: tmp/work/arm-bla/package-blub-r0/tmp/ Jun 11 13:26:19 workdir/temp? Jun 11 13:26:20 Laibsch: tmp/work/arm-bla/package-blub-r0/temp/ Jun 11 13:26:49 Ah Jun 11 13:26:50 OK Jun 11 13:29:15 Nice feature Jun 11 13:34:20 ~seen bronson Jun 11 13:34:57 bronson was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 12d 14h 27m 12s ago, saying: 'And I was thinking "CoreDump, I know he hangs out on another channel I watch... can't remember which one..."'. Jun 11 13:36:10 * zecke knows RP is using AbiWord Jun 11 13:38:54 zecke: did you see the abiword startup tweaks? Jun 11 13:39:26 zecke: http://www.softcatala.org/~jmas/bloc/pivot/entry.php?id=287 Jun 11 13:39:49 koen: yes, I wondered why they spelled the class names that ugly Jun 11 13:39:58 koen: and people should just use the english version of it Jun 11 13:40:06 psokolovsky_: did you have a chance to look into bug 2461 any further? Jun 11 13:41:49 Jin^eLD: nope, how could I? I don't have such problem. And my suspicion would be to messed up config, too. Can you reseup system and try to reproduce again? Jun 11 13:42:18 psokolovsky_: I did clean builds/new rootfs several times Jun 11 13:42:38 at first I also thought that the problem is in the configuration Jun 11 13:42:58 but since the feed file seemed to be ok, the status file seemed to be OK too, I did not know what else to do Jun 11 13:43:02 so started to debug the code Jun 11 13:43:16 and it indeed compares wrong versions, I just don't know why or where this happens Jun 11 13:43:29 if you have more insight, maybe you could give me a hint where to look Jun 11 13:44:00 how does it work anyway? the currently installed and the new packages from the feed are all merged into the same hash, right? Jun 11 13:45:03 Jin^eLD: no I idea. printf() is your friend ;-) Jun 11 13:45:29 printf() was my friend till 7a.m. on sunday ;) Jun 11 13:45:53 who is the person behind ipkg? if I unserstood the idea of how it works, it would be much easier for me to debug Jun 11 13:46:05 s/unserstood/understood/ Jun 11 13:47:46 Jin^eLD: the idea behind ipkg, as far as I understand, is complete lack of fear of the code police. and now the same people hack on cairo, so never ask me to look there too ;-) Jun 11 13:48:08 heh... thats sounds promising Jun 11 13:48:32 psokolovsky_: well, carl implemented ipkg in bash Jun 11 13:49:08 is there a main ipkg project leader/author, whatever? I could not find any bugtracker on their page Jun 11 13:49:19 basically, any hints on whom I could try to contact on this? Jun 11 13:49:30 oh ok ;-) I assume copyrights in C files were put by bash-to-C translator ;-) Jun 11 13:49:37 anyway, just kidding Jun 11 13:53:00 Jin^eLD: there was one person Jun 11 13:53:26 pigi@frumar.it Jun 11 13:53:39 hrw: thanks, I'll try Jun 11 13:54:16 I think that 'was' is good word Jun 11 13:54:54 doh... Jun 11 13:55:00 so noone really maintains it anymore? Jun 11 13:57:50 no one? no... Jun 11 13:58:54 ask handhelds.org inc. (or how they are named) or g. france @ hh - it is 'their' product Jun 11 13:59:00 ~lart hh.org Jun 11 13:59:00 * ibot gives hh.org a good seeing to Jun 11 13:59:04 roger that Jun 11 13:59:17 hrw: come on Jun 11 13:59:17 does OE support other package mangers? Jun 11 13:59:24 s/mangers/managers/ Jun 11 13:59:35 Jin^eLD: dpkg+apt Jun 11 14:01:00 will the INHERIT += " debian " do it? Jun 11 14:04:55 INHERIT += "package_deb" Jun 11 14:06:06 thanks Jun 11 14:09:55 morning Jun 11 14:20:24 steliosk, done Jun 11 14:20:33 It will be next before I start serious work Jun 11 14:20:44 off to school now Jun 11 14:27:31 dpkg_1.13.22.bb - this vesino is no longer around on the mirrors Jun 11 14:28:44 1.13.25 is available.. could someone fix the .bb or shall I submit a bug? Jun 11 14:28:56 ..report :> Jun 11 14:29:44 1.3.22 is available on the angstrom mirror Jun 11 14:30:07 INHERIT += "angstrom-mirrors" Jun 11 14:30:12 roger that Jun 11 14:31:39 koen: Why not make that deault? Jun 11 14:31:49 default Jun 11 14:32:22 make DISTRO="angstrom-2007.1" the default? Jun 11 14:32:29 would solve a lot of bugs ;) Jun 11 14:34:06 koen: Well, those "angstrom"-mirrors could indeed used by anyone Jun 11 14:34:21 koen: but what I meant was inherit that for angstrom by default Jun 11 14:35:59 crap, does not compile for me Jun 11 14:36:04 doh.. Jun 11 14:36:23 angstrom.inc:INHERIT += "package_ipk debian multimachine sanity devshell angstrom-mirrors insane" Jun 11 14:36:40 Laibsch: it's already there :) Jun 11 14:37:15 hvontres|poodle: did you ever build dpkg native on your fedora distro? Jun 11 14:37:22 OK, nice. So Jin^eLD is not compiling for angstrom, then. I missed that. Jun 11 14:37:39 Laibsch: nope :> else I would probably indeed not have the problem ;) Jun 11 14:37:59 Well, angstrom is the distro to rule them Jun 11 14:38:00 all Jun 11 14:38:07 you will eventually be assimilated Jun 11 14:38:13 I need some very custom stuff Jun 11 14:38:14 But you already know that ;-) Jun 11 14:38:47 besides, I couldn't use Angstrom even if I wanted to, because only specific glibc/gcc combinations work with the kernel that I have to use Jun 11 14:41:18 what are my chances trying to get angstrom with GPE running on a h3600? Jun 11 14:41:59 mhm.. dpkg native seems to have problems with fedora.. doh Jun 11 14:42:44 oxo: poke psokolovsky_ and gremlin[it] Jun 11 14:42:57 * oxo will poke them gently Jun 11 14:43:11 the thing is, I've kind of had it with familiar Jun 11 14:43:27 hello Jun 11 14:44:29 oxo: Do you have OE set up yet? If not you might want to do that. Jun 11 14:44:45 Laibsch: yes and no Jun 11 14:45:01 ?? Jun 11 14:45:12 I'm compiling OE on my colo box, because my home OE-box is internet-less for the next week Jun 11 14:45:20 If yes, then just go ahead and try to compile an image for your device. Jun 11 14:45:33 oxo: Take a look at fetchall Jun 11 14:45:34 Jin^eLD: nope. Jun 11 14:45:48 that's a very good hint, thank you Jun 11 14:45:59 as in "bitbake -k -c fetchall world" (OK, this might be overkill) Jun 11 14:46:28 I would be happy to have something less borky as familiar/GPE on my h3600 Jun 11 14:46:34 Probably fetching everything needed for angstrom-x11-image and angstrom-opie-image should be sufficient Jun 11 14:47:04 seems to be related to some selinux crap Jun 11 14:49:37 yep.. adding --without-selinux to the dpkg-native bb file fixes it Jun 11 14:55:03 oxo: The images got renamed. Take a look in packages/images/ for what you need. Jun 11 14:55:12 * oxo will Jun 11 14:57:13 doh.. apt-native is failing too Jun 11 15:01:26 apt-native says "Must have db2 to build apt-ftparchive" Jun 11 15:01:46 did not see any db2 bb file around.. is anyone using apt/dpkg with OE? Jun 11 15:04:59 Jin^eLD: is there a db2 rpm package you could install? Jun 11 15:05:09 not sure, let me see.. Jun 11 15:07:59 db3 or db4 with db2 compat should works as well AFAIK Jun 11 15:08:07 ~lart berkely db Jun 11 15:08:08 * ibot raises middle finger to berkely db Jun 11 15:08:45 mhm let me try, thx Jun 11 15:11:13 I swear I am going to take my stuff home and work Jun 11 15:11:27 save me from new C++ programmers Jun 11 15:11:46 last line of .h is #include "something.cpp" Jun 11 15:12:33 doh... bitbaked db3, but not building apt breaks Jun 11 15:13:07 too many arguments to function.. with some db stuff, I guess it does not like the db3 api Jun 11 15:13:41 koen: what is this "db2-compat" thing? thats not a bb package? Jun 11 15:13:50 why are all websites about pets made by a colourblind person with a html2 book? Jun 11 15:14:12 Jin^eLD: a configure flag for building db3 and db4 Jun 11 15:14:19 oh ok Jun 11 15:14:20 been some years since I needed it Jun 11 15:14:58 apt should build with db4 Jun 11 15:15:04 Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0), libdb4.4-dev, gettext (>= 0.12), libcurl3-gnutls-dev (>= 7.15.5) Jun 11 15:16:19 hm.. I know what I will build Jun 11 15:18:32 63G 60G 248M 100% /home Jun 11 15:18:35 or not.. Jun 11 15:18:36 hrw: that boocdx86, is that a buildenv or native sd? Jun 11 15:19:10 its oh-image-pda on bootable cd Jun 11 15:19:45 will fit on businesscard cd Jun 11 15:20:26 * koen mumbles about slot-in cd drives Jun 11 15:22:32 let me guess - slot-in drives have problem also with 80mm cds? Jun 11 15:22:33 * hvontres|poodle thinks businesscard usb drives would be WAY cooler Jun 11 15:22:37 I have fixed up packaging for python-pyqt a bit. The current PR is ml4. Which PR should I use now r0, r1, r5? Jun 11 15:22:54 Laibsch: ml5 or r0 Jun 11 15:23:03 I would do ml5 Jun 11 15:23:42 OK Jun 11 15:24:45 we have 681 open bugs.. Jun 11 15:25:37 Which is not too bad, I'd say Jun 11 15:25:49 We have steadily been closing bugs as of late. Jun 11 15:25:55 Thanks to everyone Jun 11 15:26:18 Special thanks to polyonymous, our recent and very active addition Jun 11 15:26:37 bug-less OE ? where the fun will be ? Jun 11 15:27:01 * * OE Bug 2449 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by openembedded@hrw.one.pl Jun 11 15:27:03 * *  webcam-server:removed MAINTAINER field Jun 11 15:27:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2449 Jun 11 15:27:08 Laibsch, gspcav1 still won't bake for me Jun 11 15:28:25 dcordes: What error? Jun 11 15:28:35 Can you pastebin it? Jun 11 15:29:01 You could try the old version. CoreDump|afk was so kind to dig up a working URL. Jun 11 15:30:03 http://news.yahoo.com/s/infoworld/20070611/tc_infoworld/89251 Jun 11 15:30:13 Laibsch, just a second Jun 11 15:33:55 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r68b057e6... 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Jun 11 15:33:55 matchbox-keyboard svn: Add patches to support multiple layouts. Jun 11 15:33:55 * Allows to load multiple layouts from independent files located in Jun 11 15:33:55 ~/.matchbox/keyboard.d/ (is most cases those going to be symlinks to Jun 11 15:33:55 /usr/share) and switch among them (this requires corresponding button Jun 11 15:33:55 present in layout). Jun 11 15:33:55 dcordes: do_patch? Jun 11 15:33:57 * Config UI to setup active layouts to follow. Jun 11 15:34:01 * * OE Bug 2469 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by pmiscml@gmail.com Jun 11 15:34:02 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r957325cc... 10/ (1 packages/matchbox-keyboard/mboxkbd-layouts-gui_git.bb): mboxkbd-layouts-gui: Util to manage matchbox-keyboard layouts. Jun 11 15:34:03 * *  Add ability to create image consisting of exact package list ( by not pulling up any dependencies) Jun 11 15:34:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2469 Jun 11 15:34:13 * * OE Bug 2465 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by openembedded@hrw.one.pl Jun 11 15:34:15 * *  Support /etc/defaults file for gpsd Jun 11 15:34:17 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2465 Jun 11 15:35:23 psokolovsky_: who wrote that mboxkbd-layouts-gui? Jun 11 15:36:18 hrw: slapin. (now asks for OE commit, please process him soon ;-) ) Jun 11 15:37:10 psokolovsky_: I think that usually is koen's and mickey's job Jun 11 15:37:18 You'll have to bug them about it. Jun 11 15:37:32 Laibsch, yes Jun 11 15:38:27 I will probably be able to fix that quickly. Jun 11 15:38:31 ok Jun 11 15:38:52 do you still want me to paste or is that enough info? Jun 11 15:39:23 db3-native won't build with --enable-compat185, db4 will but there the compat flag does not help, apt-native says it wants db2 for some ftp stuff and does not build any further Jun 11 15:39:53 psokolovsky_: we told him to send key Jun 11 15:40:29 03Jake 07org.oe.dev * r5259dfab... 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): gpsd: add /etc/default/gpsd config file - close #2465 Jun 11 15:41:03 hrw: he did. just reminding so this matter wasn't forgotten ;-) Jun 11 15:41:41 psokolovsky_: koen and mickeyl are admins Jun 11 15:41:45 dcordes: That is enough. I was able to reproduce it immediately without having to recompile any dependencies. Fix is in the works. I'll let you know. Jun 11 15:42:55 roger that Jun 11 15:43:21 how can I test my device in case gspcav1 will compile? Jun 11 15:43:32 hrw: yeah, everything was sent to them, just would like to be sure that other active devels are in loop and can cast their votes too ;-) Jun 11 15:43:54 psokolovsky_: discussion about slapin r/w was long Jun 11 15:45:04 dcordes: I have no clue about the software itself. Jun 11 15:45:23 hrw: yep, exactly, so it would be nice it was settled after all ;-). I sent mail where I volunteer to review and feedback his commits. plus, his first role would be palm machines maintenance. Jun 11 15:45:24 psokolovsky_: that recipe for matchbox-keyboard gui is ugly Jun 11 15:45:34 psokolovsky_, hrw: What discussion? I must have completely missed it. On the ML? Jun 11 15:45:42 Laibsch: in coreteam Jun 11 15:45:44 hrw: ??? how 5 lines can be ugly? ;-) Jun 11 15:46:06 hrw: you had some kind of private discussion about this? Jun 11 15:46:13 psokolovsky_: lack of dependencies, lack of author email, patches in global dir instead of $PN dir Jun 11 15:46:16 Laibsch: ye Jun 11 15:46:19 s Jun 11 15:46:20 OK Jun 11 15:46:41 wow, that is quite a few mistakes for just 5 lines ;-) Jun 11 15:46:46 cd Jun 11 15:46:47 hrw: no patches at all. the rest will be added ;-) Jun 11 15:47:14 ah. sorry then. I was thinking that all those patches are for it Jun 11 15:48:10 psokolovsky_: those patches to matchbox-keyboard are yours? Jun 11 15:48:26 hrw: yep Jun 11 15:48:34 sent to mallum? Jun 11 15:49:36 hrw: koen: there're patches from slapin and me to add sane multilayout support to matchbox-keyboard. Before submitting it to ohand, we'd like to do more wider testing. Do you think it would be ok to apply them to main recipe, or better to add separate one? Jun 11 15:49:36 * ich (n=ich@dsl-62-220-14-162.berlikomm.net) has joined #oe Jun 11 15:49:36 * ich is now known as zecke Jun 11 15:49:36 psokolovsky_: main recipe Jun 11 15:50:00 ;) Jun 11 15:50:06 I would send them Jun 11 15:50:41 hrw: will do soon then ;-) Jun 11 15:50:46 psokolovsky_: I was one step beyond asking mallum about them. it will look better if author of patches will give info that such ones exists then me ;) Jun 11 15:52:59 hrw: will do. I believe we discussed that matter (need for proper multilayout support) with mallum once, but it all was ~year ago, so much time it took to implement them ;-). Jun 11 15:53:12 slapin_nb: Hi-ya! See matchbox-keyboard recipe. Jun 11 15:53:45 17:51 Jun 11 15:54:05 psokolovsky_, cool! Jun 11 15:54:16 psokolovsky_, hi Jun 11 15:54:19 hi, all! Jun 11 15:54:54 hi Jun 11 15:55:59 slapin_nb: you're going to submit mk-layout-gui to matchbox-keyboard maintainer, right? Jun 11 15:56:12 hrw: any comments to http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/adding-new-archictures-to-openembedded ? Jun 11 15:57:08 koen: fix kernel-arch formatting in last 'elif' Jun 11 15:58:01 psokolovsky_, of course Jun 11 15:58:08 03Jake 07org.oe.dev * r239bf944... 10/ (1 packages/twisted/twisted_1.2.0.bb): twisted: fix debug packaging Jun 11 15:58:19 psokolovsky_, or could maintain myself if time permits Jun 11 15:58:21 slapin_nb: nice. so, hrw motivates us to do that asap ;-) Jun 11 15:58:39 koen: looks nice Jun 11 15:58:57 koen: but step 3 is machine adding not arch adding ;) Jun 11 15:59:06 yeah Jun 11 15:59:06 psokolovsky_, process description? Jun 11 15:59:08 koen: and OE does not need machine to build for arch Jun 11 15:59:35 slapin_nb: bugzilla.openedhand.com Jun 11 16:00:06 slapin_nb: anyway, first we need to test it at least a bit Jun 11 16:00:28 psokolovsky_, I think so, and GUI could be a bit polished Jun 11 16:04:01 * * OE Bug 2455 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by openembedded@hrw.one.pl Jun 11 16:04:03 * *  QA failure for .debug directory in twisted Jun 11 16:04:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2455 Jun 11 16:08:14 Laibsch: you still do unifing recipes? Jun 11 16:09:10 hrw: From time to time Jun 11 16:09:24 Are you talking about the bug that is open? Then, please leave it open Jun 11 16:09:36 I do go back there from time to time. Jun 11 16:10:16 wireless-tools are ugly in OE Jun 11 16:10:47 * mwester thinks hrw speaks the truth Jun 11 16:12:04 hrw: Is that a suggestion? ;-) Jun 11 16:12:15 /quit hometime Jun 11 16:12:46 Laibsch: ;) Jun 11 16:13:01 * * OE Bug 2458 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by openembedded@hrw.one.pl Jun 11 16:13:03 * *  Package files better for wireless-tools Jun 11 16:13:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2458 Jun 11 16:13:33 hrw: updated http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/adding-new-archictures-to-openembedded with your suggestions Jun 11 16:13:52 hrw: Cool, I had 2458 on my radar as well as it seemed a rather easy target ;-) Jun 11 16:14:02 * Laibsch has one less to go Jun 11 16:14:20 koen: now both last elifs are wrong indented ;D Jun 11 16:14:37 and "avr32" in insane.bbclass Jun 11 16:16:01 * * OE Bug 2457 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by openembedded@hrw.one.pl Jun 11 16:16:03 * *  Package .debug and lua-config for lua Jun 11 16:16:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2457 Jun 11 16:18:54 http://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=1579 is great Jun 11 16:24:30 hrw: looking at wireless-tools atm Jun 11 16:24:51 cool Jun 11 16:29:00 * * OE Bug 2443 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by openembedded@hrw.one.pl Jun 11 16:29:02 * *  QA failure for .debug directory in python-cheetah Jun 11 16:29:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2443 Jun 11 16:33:34 Hi CoreDump, I have taken the liberty to add a basic entry for you in MAINTAINERS. Jun 11 16:33:55 Laibsch: sure Jun 11 16:34:19 feel free to "embrace and extend" ;-) Jun 11 16:35:14 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r38e89a41... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): wireless-tools: add 29pre21, fix packaging for pre10/21 - close #2458 Jun 11 16:35:18 03Jake 07org.oe.dev * rfbec1295... 10/ (1 packages/lua/lua.inc packages/lua/lua_5.0.2.bb): lua: fix packaging - close #2457 Jun 11 16:35:21 mtn with ssh-agent roxx Jun 11 16:36:35 hrw: mtn and ssh-agent? What does ssh have to do with mtn? Jun 11 16:37:01 * * OE Bug 2456 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by openembedded@hrw.one.pl Jun 11 16:37:03 Laibsch: read mtn 0.34 readme Jun 11 16:37:03 * *  QA failure for .debug directory in python-pysqlite2, package docs Jun 11 16:37:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2456 Jun 11 16:37:32 "Monotone will automatically add a monotone key in a resident ssh-agent when it's first used, and will then use ssh-agent for all subsequent signing. Thus, you will only need to give the password once in one session." Jun 11 16:37:49 hrw: the oldest bb for wireless-tools does not have CFLAGS or EXTRA_OEMAKE. Still safe to move to .inc? Jun 11 16:38:05 * mwester didn't know that feature of mtn... Jun 11 16:38:05 hrw: That sounds nice indeed. Jun 11 16:38:15 Laibsch: drop <28 ones Jun 11 16:38:17 I guess I'll need to update Jun 11 16:38:18 Laibsch, did you update gspcav1 yet? Just tried it again, won't compile Jun 11 16:38:28 dcordes: I just committed my work Jun 11 16:38:35 dcordes: Unfortunately, no good news Jun 11 16:38:38 Laibsch: and we would need to update 28-pre13 to 28 final Jun 11 16:38:46 The "known good version" is also b0rked Jun 11 16:39:03 Laibsch, so which version do I need? Jun 11 16:39:15 dcordes: I have no personal interest in this package so you will have to fix this package yourself or find somebody else who does it for you. Jun 11 16:39:28 dcordes: There is *no* working version in OE. Jun 11 16:40:02 hrw: hehe, you said something about unifcation not about doing everything ;-) Jun 11 16:40:09 I'll make it as clean as possible. Jun 11 16:40:22 Laibsch, maybe CoreDump will be able to take a glance Jun 11 16:40:35 Laibsch: drop oldest before unifing? or wait a moment and I will leave only few vers Jun 11 16:40:49 the known good module build fine for spitz Jun 11 16:41:20 CoreDump, which one would that be? Jun 11 16:41:25 CoreDump: It did not in the test I just did. Jun 11 16:41:32 the old one Jun 11 16:41:40 hrw: No, please hold Jun 11 16:41:46 hrw: I am already doing that Jun 11 16:41:48 CoreDump, ? Jun 11 16:41:59 dcordes: "mtn pull" Jun 11 16:42:06 dcordes: Should be all you need Jun 11 16:42:15 If indeed the old version builds Jun 11 16:42:19 It did not for me. Jun 11 16:42:21 dcordes: bitbake -b packages/gspcav1_20070110.bb Jun 11 16:42:27 Laibsch: ops. I did that Jun 11 16:42:49 hrw: OK Jun 11 16:43:00 Laibsch: oh lol Jun 11 16:43:07 hrw: But don't touch it any further. Jun 11 16:43:11 CoreDump: lol? Jun 11 16:43:12 sure Jun 11 16:43:20 dropped 26,27, moved 28pre13 to 28 Jun 11 16:43:29 Laibsch: dcordes I'm using a hacked defconfig w/ v4l modules Jun 11 16:43:30 Laibsch: pushed to ewi Jun 11 16:43:37 that's why it build for me =) Jun 11 16:43:52 NOTE: package gspcav1-20070110: completed Jun 11 16:44:06 hrw: OK, I will pull it. Took me about an hour yesterday before I got CoreDump's changes. I hope the distribution of your changes will happen quicker Jun 11 16:44:24 CoreDump: ;-) Jun 11 16:44:38 Laibsch: I guess I pushed to ewi yesterday =) Jun 11 16:44:42 hrw: Good, that is the mirror I used Jun 11 16:45:08 CoreDump: Strange, I never understood why it took so long. I pulled a couple of times from various servers. Jun 11 16:45:30 CoreDump: You can push to ewi again? Good news. Jun 11 16:45:41 CoreDump: Settled the "Kriegsbeil" with koen? Jun 11 16:46:03 Laibsch: maybe his server was b0rked the other day, who knows Jun 11 16:46:53 Or yours ;-) Since you trouble pushing to another server as well, as you said. Jun 11 16:47:33 oe.org was kinda unusable for a time Jun 11 16:48:08 dcordes: apply this patch against your defconfig: http://rafb.net/p/V7vZAT80.html Jun 11 16:48:29 dcordes: then rebuild your kernel. Afterwards the gspca1 module will build Jun 11 16:48:39 CoreDump, ok thank you Jun 11 16:48:47 well, minus the hostap thing ;) Jun 11 16:49:56 * CoreDump was surprised to see that the Angstrom kernel is not enabling hostap non-volatile firmware updates Jun 11 16:50:19 CoreDump: I've asked/begged for that, but it's a no go Jun 11 16:50:42 CoreDump: will you support users which will fsck their cards due to that? Jun 11 16:51:06 CoreDump: I prefer loading firmware to ram on card insert Jun 11 16:51:07 hrw: just as much as the author of prism2_srec does ( ie: not at all ) Jun 11 16:51:37 prism2_srec supports loading to ram Jun 11 16:51:40 hrw: I flashed my planex non-volatile yesterday Jun 11 16:51:43 non-invasive way Jun 11 16:51:50 CoreDump: I flashed my cards many times Jun 11 16:52:11 only dvdrw and laptop are not flashed here Jun 11 16:52:19 heh Jun 11 16:52:45 Anybody understand http://paste.stgraber.org/1517? Jun 11 16:53:49 no Jun 11 16:54:33 too new coreutils with broken mv Jun 11 16:56:09 koen: What do I do about it? Jun 11 16:56:17 coreutils from OE or the host? Jun 11 16:56:25 host Jun 11 16:56:36 or coreutils-native from OE? Jun 11 16:56:41 there was something in the mailinglist or bugzilla about it Jun 11 16:57:11 koen: well, that narrows it down ;-) Jun 11 16:57:17 * Laibsch takes a look Jun 11 16:58:04 lot of easy to add patches for opie apps in BT Jun 11 16:59:06 hrw: make them block 2186 Jun 11 16:59:10 !oebug 2186 Jun 11 16:59:11 * * Bug 2186, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-05-01 02:42 Jun 11 16:59:12 * * bugs.openembedded.org(AT)rolf.leggewie.biz: meta-bug: opie, mainly in angstrom Jun 11 16:59:13 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2186 Jun 11 16:59:31 !oebug 2194 Jun 11 16:59:32 * * Bug 2194, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-05-01 05:03 Jun 11 16:59:33 * * bugs.openembedded.org(AT)rolf.leggewie.biz: meta-bug: bugs waiting to be committed and fixed Jun 11 16:59:34 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2194 Jun 11 16:59:46 hrw: And if you want 2194 as well Jun 11 17:01:41 not today as I have to go Jun 11 17:02:06 have a nice evening all Jun 11 17:02:09 ~ugt for all Jun 11 17:02:43 CoreDump, I have no idea how to patch that c code Jun 11 17:02:50 any clue? Jun 11 17:03:10 its a patch against defconfig-akita Jun 11 17:03:25 in linux/linux-rp-2.6.20/ Jun 11 17:03:28 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * re736482f... 10/ (1 MAINTAINERS): Jun 11 17:03:28 MAINTAINERS: add an entry for CoreDump Jun 11 17:03:28 restores information removed in bug 2449 at the proper place. Jun 11 17:03:31 * koen looks for other funky DSP like architectures with cheap devboards Jun 11 17:03:42 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * rc0c18499... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Jun 11 17:03:42 gspcav1: (futile) attempt at unb0rking package Jun 11 17:03:42 * renamed 20070110 directory to files so that patches are applicable to all releases Jun 11 17:03:42 * MS.patch does not apply cleanly to latest release Jun 11 17:03:42 * setting default pref to -1 for latest release Jun 11 17:03:44 * "known good version" from 20070110 is indeed b0rked as well. It breaks in do_compile. Jun 11 17:03:46 * giving up since I have no personal interest in this package. Jun 11 17:04:05 03Jake 07org.oe.dev * r4376f928... 10/ (1 classes/distutils-base.bbclass): distutils-base: improve packaging of debug packages (approved by Mickeyl) - close #2443 and probably few others Jun 11 17:09:29 hrw|gone: I guess packages/wireless-tools/wireless-tools_28-pre13.bb was incorrectly named? Is there a newer version? Jun 11 17:13:13 * koen pours a leffe radieuse Jun 11 17:14:11 don't let mickey know Jun 11 17:14:21 You are in luck. He is asleep, I guess. Jun 11 17:14:36 radieuse? like, nuclear? Jun 11 17:15:09 like brun++ :) Jun 11 17:15:11 hmm i ve a mismatch of eabi versions now .. 0 compared to 4 ?? Jun 11 17:18:18 berlin,berlin is actually a pretty nice series to watch Jun 11 17:18:44 good morning master Larson Jun 11 17:19:52 what config file usally contains what window manager to use in oe distro's? Jun 11 17:19:57 hey Jun 11 17:20:35 wirelessdreamer: none, the script execs x-window-manager, which is managed by update-alternatives Jun 11 17:20:40 moin Jun 11 17:21:05 hey zecke Jun 11 17:22:34 thanks Jun 11 17:22:51 * Crofton is sick of ubl Jun 11 17:23:28 ubl? Jun 11 17:23:44 user boot loader Jun 11 17:23:49 or something like that Jun 11 17:23:59 intermediate loader for dealing with NAND flash Jun 11 17:25:15 16k stepping stone? Jun 11 17:29:18 I am developing hatred for TI's open source support Jun 11 17:30:50 03Jake 07org.oe.dev * r043369f4... 10/ (1 packages/python/python-pysqlite2_2.2.2.bb): python-pysqlite2: improve packaging - close #2456 Jun 11 17:30:57 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r1877cd2e... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): wireless-tools: dropped 26 & 27, updated 28pre13 to 28 Jun 11 17:31:50 * kergoth starts at mvista in 2 weeks.. time to finally get off my ass and learn git Jun 11 17:32:06 kergoth: congrats Jun 11 17:32:14 thanks Jun 11 17:33:08 kergoth: hey, sounds like an easy job :) Jun 11 17:33:34 kergoth: I hope MVista won't claim they have founded OE? Jun 11 17:33:35 it probably is, i'll be an engineer dedicated to one of their customers, fixing shit when they report bugs Jun 11 17:33:48 but at least its linux again, i should be happier Jun 11 17:34:29 :) Jun 11 17:35:32 the end is near ... soon an happy kergoth :) Jun 11 17:35:39 :P Jun 11 17:37:06 kergoth: but....you will be working for the Dark Side... Jun 11 17:37:46 i don't mind mvista too much. their build tools are weak, with a gui and no commandline version, at least from when i used them at TI, but beyond that.. Jun 11 17:38:45 kergoth: where will you be based? Jun 11 17:38:45 * hvontres|poodle wonders how long before mvista.bb shows up in OE..... Jun 11 17:39:06 where i am now, in the phoenix area. they have an office in tempe, less than 10 minutes from me Jun 11 17:39:24 ah, lucky Jun 11 17:40:07 * wmat wonders if MV hires telecommuters Jun 11 17:40:16 they do, the guy i'm replacing was in idaho Jun 11 17:40:20 and they have someone in hawaii Jun 11 17:40:29 kergoth: they do or did? Jun 11 17:40:36 ah, cool Jun 11 17:40:41 re Jun 11 17:40:44 afaik the hawaii person is still with the company, but i dunno, havent started yet Jun 11 17:40:47 * wmat considers moving to Hawaii Jun 11 17:41:50 what is the current trend? Going from Timesys to MVista or the otherway around? Jun 11 17:41:51 * chouimat considers moving to the Coach ... Jun 11 17:41:58 kergoth: anyway congratulation Jun 11 17:42:21 thanks. who knows, maybe itll suck, but i'm still happy its linux and wont involve government work Jun 11 17:42:25 :P Jun 11 17:42:30 kergoth: hehe Jun 11 17:43:37 I think most of us/all hope you will be able Jun 11 17:43:44 kergoth, congrats Jun 11 17:43:50 I guess MV is the grey side Jun 11 17:44:48 hehe Jun 11 17:49:29 CoreDump, you still around? Jun 11 17:49:43 yeah, no for long tho Jun 11 17:51:35 could you help me with that v4l patch? Jun 11 17:51:42 I don't know how to apply it Jun 11 17:53:29 in that case just edit defconfig-akita (you were building for akita, right?) and apply the options manually Jun 11 18:00:26 CoreDump, do the + and - mean add/remove that line from original? Jun 11 18:00:52 exactly Jun 11 18:01:26 so the lines beginning with anything but + and -, also those which are commented, are not touched? Jun 11 18:01:45 kergoth: do you have any opinion on creating a foundation? Jun 11 18:02:32 CoreDump, another thing: is it important where in the file a line is located? Jun 11 18:03:07 dcordes: you are editing the defconfig-akita? each line is unique so no Jun 11 18:03:08 zecke, i've thought that it needed to be done for quite a while. it's a Good Thing. we need an entity to track donations and expendatures and to take ownership of hardware and trademarks of the logo and such Jun 11 18:03:12 dcordes: but normally yes Jun 11 18:03:51 Zero_Chaos, defconfig-akita, yes. so it won't matter when I put a stanza in a different place? Jun 11 18:04:10 http://rafb.net/p/GnqQFP62.html <- adding this to the end of the file should do the trick Jun 11 18:04:24 CoreDump, ok Jun 11 18:05:05 what about all those other lines marked with a plus in your patch? Jun 11 18:06:01 * * OE Bug 2434 has been marked as DUPLICATE of bug 2432 by antti.andreimann@mail.ee Jun 11 18:06:03 * *  Fix mesa build on AMD64 with i586 target Jun 11 18:06:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2434 Jun 11 18:08:09 dcordes: forget them, they are commented out anyway Jun 11 18:08:15 time to go, cya! Jun 11 18:08:25 CoreDump|afk, cya Jun 11 18:09:25 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r77b2a37e... 10/ (13 files in 12 dirs): gpe: mega update Jun 11 18:09:46 how did I compile the kernel? Jun 11 18:10:01 bitbake angstrom-minimal-image? Jun 11 18:11:01 bitbake linux-rp -c rebuild Jun 11 18:11:06 me thinks Jun 11 18:13:50 Zero_Chaos, that gives me the zImage.bin right? Jun 11 18:15:00 dcordes: should, yes Jun 11 18:45:50 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r1a8f49d6... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): wireless-tools: unify Jun 11 18:45:55 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r1213079d... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): wireless-tools: rename pre-release packages to conform to http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/VersioningPolicy Jun 11 18:50:42 Laibsch: don't forget to add an epoch to packages that go backwars in version where appropriate Jun 11 18:51:34 Ahm, well. Say what? Jun 11 18:51:36 ;-) Jun 11 18:52:19 I understand the concern which is why I committed this asap Jun 11 18:52:28 But I don't understand the proposed solution Jun 11 18:53:12 PE = "1" PV = "0.1" will give it a higher versions for package managers than PE = "0" PV = "1.0" Jun 11 18:53:56 I just noticed some packaged went backwards in version, didn't check if it had any effect, though Jun 11 18:54:39 but since I already had some beer I'm prone to saying complete and utter nonsense Jun 11 18:54:44 so feel free to ignore me Jun 11 18:55:09 It probably would have an effect. Jun 11 18:55:21 hrw committed about an hour ago Jun 11 18:55:46 I spotted the error and fixed the name before I think anybody had a chance to compile. Jun 11 18:55:56 Breakage was of course possible Jun 11 18:56:30 koen: default PE is 0? Jun 11 18:56:46 koen: You are already drunk? Wow, what a blue Monday, indeed. Jun 11 18:57:44 koen: beer, bear or heineken? Jun 11 19:00:01 no, I'm not drunk AFAIK :) Jun 11 19:00:05 zecke: leffe Jun 11 19:00:40 brb Jun 11 19:00:56 koen: you can get the Leopard Ultimate edition for 128$ Jun 11 19:01:51 I can also not get it and buy you a drink at guadec Jun 11 19:02:08 does that include Digital Righteousness Management? Jun 11 19:02:32 timtimred: no, that is already in the CPU Jun 11 19:05:22 zecke: how's webkit coming along? Jun 11 19:07:36 koen: slowly. I'm mostly in the thinking phase Jun 11 19:08:27 koen: I need to avoid flickering, need to create an API, recreate the FrameView, etc. Jun 11 19:09:29 koen: I wonder what apple will merge tonight and what they are going to merge on the 29th Jun 11 19:09:43 koen: and I need to coordinate better with alp Jun 11 19:16:11 is alp doing webkit on his own time, or on the crack-monkey money from collabora? Jun 11 19:16:51 ~hail collabora Jun 11 19:17:02 * ibot bows down to collabora and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Jun 11 19:17:16 * chouimat tries the qt port of webkit Jun 11 19:17:36 koen: I think I can't comment Jun 11 19:17:43 koen: but where do I get crack-monkey money from? Jun 11 19:23:27 by being hired by colabora to join their crack-monkey department Jun 11 19:24:07 koen: see, I want crack-monkey money with no strings attached (nothing but pure crack) Jun 11 19:50:00 * * OE Bug 2470 has been created by alex@lindenlevy.com Jun 11 19:50:02 * * mpd build failure Jun 11 19:50:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2470 Jun 11 19:58:05 where can I find the image after building the kernel for angstrom? Jun 11 19:59:24 deploy/glibc/images/${MACHINE} Jun 11 20:01:42 hey pH5 Jun 11 20:01:54 pH5, ok thanks Jun 11 20:07:33 Marex, what's open irt opie in oe? Jun 11 20:07:38 s/open/broken/ Jun 11 20:07:45 s/irt/wrt/ :) Jun 11 20:08:44 hey koen Jun 11 20:09:02 polyonymous, awk '{print "wtf?"}' Jun 11 20:09:18 polyonymous, echo "\:\)" Jun 11 20:09:23 Marex, that's overengineered :) Jun 11 20:09:45 Marex, you mentioned that oe is broken again on opie. I wonder what's that Jun 11 20:09:51 I made some modification to my defconfig-akita concerning V4l in order to be able to compile gspcav1. That's what I did and compiled the kernel afterwards. Now it still won't compile. What did I do wrong? Jun 11 20:10:00 Marex, or better yet opie is broken again in oe :) Jun 11 20:10:41 polyonymous: For me, it is opie-dagger for example. It fails to compile although bug 1978 claims this should be fixed. It keeps me from building opie-image right now Jun 11 20:10:59 Laibsch, there is a patch by me for opie dagger Jun 11 20:11:09 Laibsch, hmm... opie-image builts fine for me, what is the problem? Jun 11 20:11:14 !oebug 1978 Jun 11 20:11:15 * * Bug 1978, Status: RESOLVED (FIXED), Created: 2007-03-12 07:22 Jun 11 20:11:16 Marex: I thought it had been applied? Jun 11 20:11:16 * * marek.vasut(AT)gmail.com: opie-dagger wont build Jun 11 20:11:17 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1978 Jun 11 20:11:30 polyonymous, the problem is that opie depends on X11 (something in opie image depends on pango) Jun 11 20:11:33 what's up with my spelling today.. Jun 11 20:11:39 Marex, for build or on runtime? Jun 11 20:11:48 polyonymous, for build Jun 11 20:11:52 and I dunno why is that Jun 11 20:11:55 or ... I do Jun 11 20:11:56 Then it's not broken. Jun 11 20:12:03 Although yes it is somewhat ridiculous Jun 11 20:12:13 polyonymous, look Jun 11 20:12:19 opie-remote depends on lirc Jun 11 20:12:27 Laibsch: there's shouldn't be any opie-dagger cr%p in opie-image, so I have no idea how it can preclude you from building image Jun 11 20:12:28 and lirc depends on x11 Jun 11 20:12:34 thats the problem Jun 11 20:12:39 Marex, on runtime? Jun 11 20:12:41 I wasnt able to fix the receipt Jun 11 20:13:06 polyonymous, while compiling Jun 11 20:13:19 * polyonymous agrees with psokolovsky_ that it shouldn't be there, but not sure if opie-dagger isn't... Jun 11 20:13:30 Marex, then it's a feature. Jun 11 20:13:43 aside from the fact that lirc doesn't work... Jun 11 20:13:43 psokolovsky_: Just did "bitbake opie-image" and let it do it's thing. It was not my idea to build opie-dagger ;-) Jun 11 20:14:29 hmm.. indeed I have opie-dagger in my workdir and I didn't build it explicitly. Jun 11 20:14:35 But anyway, it's built! Jun 11 20:14:50 CoreDump|afk, you there by chance? Jun 11 20:15:01 Marex: Were you referring to http://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=1254? Is that upplied upstream or does it need to be applied to OE or something else entirely? Again, I thought this issue had been fixed for good. Jun 11 20:15:12 Laibsch, what is the error? Jun 11 20:16:05 the patch from 1978 is in. Jun 11 20:16:31 and it's mentioned on the bug too. Jun 11 20:16:40 Laibsch, can you pastebin your failure? Jun 11 20:16:41 And I don't have any daggers in opie-image. and as one of aims of opie-image is to be independent of any random factors (like machine it is being built for), then we apparently again have case of machine feudalism strike back. need to be localized and exterminated. Jun 11 20:17:09 psokolovsky_, you don't have it in the image, but do you have it built in work? Jun 11 20:17:10 Laibsch, opie-dagger compiled fine for me Jun 11 20:17:21 polyonymous: Yes, I know it is mentioned on the bug. Jun 11 20:17:28 polyonymous: But all I know is that it fails. Jun 11 20:17:39 polyonymous: I will paste the error in a minute Jun 11 20:17:41 polyonymous: I was building it of course, while testing Marex' pacthes for example Jun 11 20:17:50 Laibsch, I think it fails for some different reason, so bugreport or pastebin would make sense. Jun 11 20:18:06 psokolovsky_, well, I certainly have it built only due to opie-kdepim-image Jun 11 20:18:26 but it's not put on the image (thanks God) for sure. Jun 11 20:18:26 opie-kdepim-image is not opie-image Jun 11 20:18:53 it isn't, but, although I haven't checked, I'd guess they shouldn't have any difference regarding dagger Jun 11 20:19:05 dagger is surely not a part of kdepimpi :) Jun 11 20:19:14 Laibsch, pastebin the error Jun 11 20:19:28 Marex, he said he will already :) Jun 11 20:19:49 (although it's been two minutes since that!:))) Jun 11 20:21:19 Yes, because strangely enough it now built Jun 11 20:21:32 But I think then it might be that opie-dagger is not safe for parallel compilation Jun 11 20:21:52 And you all know that I am "CPU-cycle-challenged" ;-) Jun 11 20:21:53 well... let's wait for the failure if any then Jun 11 20:21:57 :))) Jun 11 20:22:07 koen: did you replace safari with safari3.0 beta already? Jun 11 20:23:14 Laibsch, could you help me with the problem? Jun 11 20:23:53 dcordes: Which one? gspcav1? I think I told you already that I neither know the software nor have an interest in it. Jun 11 20:24:06 hi all, i am looking for a little advice on building konqueror-embedded.. anyone with experience on that? Jun 11 20:24:08 As you can see I have enough thinks on my hand for myself. Jun 11 20:24:24 tony: do you have a particular build failure? Jun 11 20:24:45 well, iirc, konq is broken in the tree Jun 11 20:24:51 Laibsch, oh it was a rather general thing but I don't want to disturb. Jun 11 20:25:23 dcordes: Don't meta-ask, then. And just ask everyone. Broadens the options for responses, doensn't it? Jun 11 20:25:36 of course Jun 11 20:25:37 zecke: yes, i do, "kapplication.moc:47: error: 'QPEApplication' has not been declared" Jun 11 20:25:48 that's what I did. Jun 11 20:25:49 does that look familiar at all? Jun 11 20:25:57 polyonymous: there're patches from Marex (actually from bluelightning) to add recent konq-emb. They really should be committed by now. Jun 11 20:27:13 tony: not that one :) Jun 11 20:27:35 how I can make bitbake use the changes I made to my defconf-akita? Jun 11 20:27:57 i have a full opie-image built... but haven't been able to get past this Jun 11 20:29:00 psokolovsky_, s/qpeapplication/qapplication/ :b Jun 11 20:29:35 zecke, have you been able to do a konqueror-embedded buld recently? Jun 11 20:30:16 polyonymous: also, did you see my today's matchbox-keyboard commits? you might be ineterested if you do multiple layouts ;-). your testing is appreciated. Jun 11 20:32:46 tony: the last time in November 2006 Jun 11 20:33:38 zecke, thanks... i will figure this out eventually Jun 11 20:34:02 psokolovsky_, should be committed as in ARE comitted, or do you suggest? And if the latter where are they? Jun 11 20:34:06 should be as easy a missing define or #include Jun 11 20:34:19 psokolovsky_, and yes, I've seen your commits today and built already, although haven't booted X yet Jun 11 20:36:12 polyonymous: you must be kidding asking where patches are ;-) and nope, they are wait to be committed. Jun 11 20:36:19 waiting Jun 11 20:36:32 psokolovsky_, bugzilla? Hmm.. haven't seen them, will check Jun 11 20:36:50 haven't touched konq for a while... Jun 11 20:37:20 there're enough reports that it kinda works Jun 11 20:37:29 good. will check it now. Jun 11 20:37:44 It doesn't work with anything but utf, but it's still better than nothing Jun 11 20:45:34 hmmm Jun 11 20:45:46 TARGET_OS = "uclinux" Jun 11 20:50:23 -TARGET_OS = "linux${@['-uclibc','-uclibcgnueabi'][bb.data.getVar('TARGET_ARCH',d,1) in ['arm', 'armeb'] and bb.data.getVar('MACHINE',d) not in ['collie','h3600', 'h3800', 'simpad']]}" Jun 11 20:50:23 +TARGET_OS_UC = "linux${@['-uclibc','-uclibcgnueabi'][bb.data.getVar('TARGET_ARCH',d,1) in ['arm', 'armeb'] and bb.data.getVar('MACHINE',d) not in ['collie','h3600', 'h3800', 'simpad']]}" Jun 11 20:50:24 +TARGET_OS = "${@['${TARGET_OS_UC}', 'uclinux-uclibc'][bb.data.getVar('TARGET_ARCH',d) in ['bfin']]}" Jun 11 20:50:29 * koen cries Jun 11 20:53:37 koen: urgs Jun 11 20:55:19 it seems to work Jun 11 20:56:51 koen: I would uuencode the code Jun 11 20:57:02 koen: and then write a brainfuck interpreter in python to execute it? Jun 11 20:59:43 ouch, brainfuck Jun 11 21:00:17 i can see it already. TARGET_OS = "${@>>++++++++[-<+++++++++>]<. ... Jun 11 21:00:34 :) Jun 11 21:00:45 NOTE: package binutils-cross-2.17.50.0.5-r1: task do_build: completed Jun 11 21:00:48 yay! Jun 11 21:01:00 pH5: at next CELF koen demo's how to add a new architecture Jun 11 21:01:03 bfin? Jun 11 21:01:14 pH5: more like dmeoing the brainfuck code Jun 11 21:01:15 pH5: http://www.analog.com/processors/blackfin/ Jun 11 21:02:42 zecke: how about a game of stump-the-koen: Bring in your devboard and see if koen can add it in less than 1/2 hr :) Jun 11 21:04:01 if the arch is already supported in OE that would be easy Jun 11 21:06:13 we could do that as a marketing trick Jun 11 21:06:49 but that would also involve sponsoring some ikea shelves to put the devboards on :) Jun 11 21:06:55 koen: with some luck, I might assist you at the next conferences Jun 11 21:07:04 yay! Jun 11 21:07:17 'night all Jun 11 21:11:46 night Jun 11 21:52:44 re Jun 11 22:54:47 is anyone using apt/dpkg with OE? Jun 11 23:08:00 doh, somehow it apt-native fails to stage Jun 11 23:17:46 mhm.. no chance to dl something from berlios Jun 11 23:35:54 n8 Jun 11 23:38:34 does apt-native stage step succeed for anyone? Jun 12 00:05:28 mhm Jun 12 00:06:28 is anyone awake, who would be willing to try builgint apt-native? :> Jun 12 00:06:38 s/builgint/building/ Jun 12 00:07:23 I suspect oe_libinstall() is doing bad stuff to the apt library name, but it would be nice to have the problem confirmed Jun 12 00:07:43 for me do_stage_base() step is failing because of this Jun 12 00:45:01 * * OE Bug 2471 has been created by bugs.openembedded.org@rolf.leggewie.biz Jun 12 00:45:03 * * Hardcoded PACKAGES lines Jun 12 00:45:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2471 Jun 12 01:54:02 * * OE Bug 1980 has been RESOLVED (WONTFIX) by lenehan@twibble.org Jun 12 01:54:03 * *  perl-native fails to build with stack-smashing protector modified gcc Jun 12 01:54:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1980 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 12 02:59:56 2007