**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 19 02:59:56 2007 Jun 19 03:51:01 * * OE Bug 2525 has been created by r.farina(AT)adelphia.net Jun 19 03:51:03 * * Magick-config --prefix incorrect Jun 19 03:51:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2525 Jun 19 03:51:43 let the hate flow, I'm sure I will get yelled at for opening a bug Jun 19 04:00:41 Zero_Chaos: DON'T OPEN BUGS!!! Jun 19 05:27:36 good morning Jun 19 05:57:15 good morning Jun 19 06:00:28 anyone knows why wouldn't I have angstrom-2007.1-oabi.conf in my folder? Jun 19 06:09:14 djay-il: Because it was deleted... Jun 19 06:09:59 djay-il: http://pastebin.ca/575763 - I guess it's just a setting in angstrom-2007.1.conf now Jun 19 06:14:44 good morning all Jun 19 06:29:57 v8jlene: if so, how do I specifically compile oabi and not eabi? Jun 19 06:30:05 hi koen Jun 19 06:31:01 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r599d2a5b... 10/ (1 classes/distutils-base.bbclass): distutils-base: package even more debug files Jun 19 06:31:40 koen: ^^ that question to you as well if you please :-) Jun 19 06:32:17 you don't specify it, it happens automagically for machines that need it Jun 19 06:34:19 well, mine does but it doesn't happen automagically. So the question is how do I tell that a machine needs one? Jun 19 06:37:51 a machine only needs one if it's a strongarm cpu Jun 19 06:37:57 and those are getting pretty rare Jun 19 06:38:59 well, the thing is that I use some other machine, and vendor only has kernel with oabi support (they are bound by their vendor as well). How do I solve this then? Jun 19 06:39:28 ask for the source of that kernel Jun 19 06:40:06 I can, but I think there are proprietary drivers needed to run the device. Jun 19 06:40:16 well, some of its components Jun 19 06:41:41 morning all Jun 19 06:57:59 koen: should I recreate -oabi.conf manually? Jun 19 06:58:49 djay-il: Might be more beneficial to create a machine config instead Jun 19 06:59:06 If I understand the structure of distro/machine conf files, that is. Jun 19 07:03:38 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf3d45956... 10/ (1 packages/flumotion/flumotion_0.4.1.bb): flumotion: add more python depends, flumotion-admin and flumtion-worker work now Jun 19 07:12:44 NAbyss: yea, probably. But then here's the tricky question: if I want to build everything as eabi but only the kernel as oabi - is that possible? if so, how? Jun 19 07:14:00 djay-il: I'm not sure that is possible; if all apps went through glibc and that implemented separate ABIs for the kernel and userspace interfaces, yes.. but I don't see it working as-is. Jun 19 07:15:36 NAbyss: ok, got that. How do I compile kernel then with its specific options as part of "angstrom-minimial-image" ? Jun 19 07:16:09 djay-il: "Specific options", as in a .config? Jun 19 07:16:58 yes Jun 19 07:17:10 Setup your target as a new machine .conf file Jun 19 07:17:25 Specify an appropriate provider for virtual/kernel Jun 19 07:17:37 Most of the kernel .bb files allow a defconfig to be specified per-machine Jun 19 07:17:52 where can I see the list of providers? Jun 19 07:17:53 Take a look in org.openembedded.X/packages/linux for examples of defconfigs Jun 19 07:23:03 NAbyss: I will, thanks Jun 19 08:09:01 morning Jun 19 08:09:36 morning XorA Jun 19 08:10:09 hey XorA Jun 19 08:10:15 yo koen Jun 19 08:10:25 koen: BTW how bloody hard is it to leave Amsterdam :-D Jun 19 08:10:34 :) Jun 19 08:11:09 ticket machines at station didnt accept cash or credit cards, I dont have a chipnik card whatever that is and luckilly my wife has a maestro Jun 19 08:11:26 ~lart chipknip Jun 19 08:11:27 * ibot says "boot to the head" and knocks chipknip over Jun 19 08:16:05 lol. good morning Jun 19 08:16:25 hey pH5 Jun 19 08:19:17 hi, all! Jun 19 08:19:23 koen, hi! Jun 19 08:19:32 hey slapin Jun 19 08:19:45 koen, could I dosturb you for ab bit about locale installation? Jun 19 08:19:52 s/ab/a Jun 19 08:19:57 no, I don't use locales Jun 19 08:20:22 koen, that's bad :( Jun 19 08:20:37 no, it improves my english Jun 19 08:21:31 koen, I just wanted to impress some people, but they don't know anything about english (and latin alphabet, too) Jun 19 08:22:14 slapin: Laibsch is the main locale user round here I think Jun 19 08:23:19 Laibsch, hi Jun 19 08:23:40 XorA, thanks! Jun 19 08:29:02 Laibsch, ping Jun 19 08:31:15 Laibsch, rxvt doesn't accept cyrillic input, could you help me with where to start? Locale seems ok since date command and some messages are cyrillic. Jun 19 08:41:00 * * OE Bug 2526 has been created by  Jun 19 08:41:02 * * ru_RU.UTF8 locale problems Jun 19 08:41:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2526 Jun 19 08:41:58 * koen wonders if defconfigman sets the default locale to UTF8 by default Jun 19 08:44:22 slapin: are the two issues related? is it because 1.) -> 2.)? Jun 19 08:45:04 zecke, they are probably unrelated Jun 19 08:45:49 (hint: file two bug reports, e.g. check rxvt upstream) Jun 19 08:46:24 e.g. I remember that two flavors of rxvt exist one with and one without unicode Jun 19 08:48:50 zecke, rxvt-unicode is default on Angstrom Jun 19 08:49:00 zecke, and I use this one. Jun 19 08:49:16 slapin: I use Japanese, so I don't know about russian Jun 19 08:49:32 I never got Japanese to work on the console and filed a bug report about it Jun 19 08:49:44 Laibsch, but about locales in generic? Jun 19 08:50:09 I never tried to set my whole system to Japanese Jun 19 08:50:12 Laibsch, how do you install packages' *-locale-x-y? Jun 19 08:50:21 I never bothered Jun 19 08:50:31 I am fine with English for now Jun 19 08:50:39 Laibsch, ah, I see Jun 19 08:50:51 * slapin needs that showcase... Jun 19 08:51:04 I think you should ask polyonymous Jun 19 08:51:14 He is also Russian Jun 19 08:51:23 And he got things working, I believe Jun 19 08:51:35 I haven't got anything working in x. Jun 19 08:51:38 slapin: Jun 19 08:52:01 polyonymous: But you do in Qt? Jun 19 08:52:18 might be enough for slapin Jun 19 08:52:20 Laibsch, in qt4 uqtreader - yes. Jun 19 08:52:33 Well, wait a minute Jun 19 08:52:42 Are the menus in Russian? Jun 19 08:52:47 unfortunately I need to show matchbox and X :( Jun 19 08:52:51 Or are you just able to read russian? Jun 19 08:52:51 No, I never bothered to even think about it. Jun 19 08:52:55 Laibsch, _some_ are. Jun 19 08:53:00 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r86bd41af... 10/ (1 packages/gnome/libgnome_2.18.0.bb): libgnome: update to 2.18 Jun 19 08:53:04 Yes, I can only read russian. Jun 19 08:53:05 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf509f74a... 10/ (1 packages/gnome/libgnomeui_2.18.1.bb): libgnomeui: update to 2.18.1 Jun 19 08:53:09 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rd10c44b2... 10/ (1 packages/gpe-login/gpe-login_0.90.bb): gpe-login 0.90: rdepend on a theme Jun 19 08:53:14 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r46106f73... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-sdk.bb): task-sdk: fix depends Jun 19 08:53:24 polyonymous: I can read Japanese fine. But as far as I understood that is not what is being called for Jun 19 08:53:25 In general, I want to be able to do russian input and output, but never wanted to switch ui. Jun 19 08:53:36 matchbox-panel-hacks is b0rked beyond repair Jun 19 08:53:42 read Japanese as in have it display Jun 19 08:54:34 Laibsch, I understand. Same here with russian. Jun 19 08:54:48 I hate UI translations - I hate to translate them back to figure out things :) Jun 19 08:54:58 so nobody tried to input anything? Jun 19 08:55:00 second "hate" is supposed to be "have" Jun 19 08:55:06 no, not in x Jun 19 08:55:16 but you told me once (and even closed my bug 1673 as invalid ;-) that you had Japanese display fine on the console Jun 19 08:55:22 right? Jun 19 08:55:30 polyonymous, I'm mostly interested in input for now, interface translation is another thing which is easy enough. Jun 19 08:55:42 slapin: Japanese input works fine for me Jun 19 08:55:50 and is much more complicated than Russian Jun 19 08:55:59 Laibsch, I think slapin means x11 Jun 19 08:56:07 yes Jun 19 08:56:18 And we were talking about opie, right? Jun 19 08:56:19 But since he does not need an input method I think that should be doable Jun 19 08:56:28 yes, you and I are mostly opie Jun 19 08:56:34 Laibsch, I know, and I'd like to see your howto somewhere or a few hints. Jun 19 08:56:46 slapin: It just worked ;-) Jun 19 08:56:56 Getting the packages into OE Jun 19 08:57:00 Compiling them Jun 19 08:57:04 And installing them Jun 19 08:57:06 Voila Jun 19 08:57:07 ;-) Jun 19 08:57:25 Let's start the other way round Jun 19 08:57:30 psokolovsky has done some work on russian keyboards for x11, but I don't know much about it. Jun 19 08:57:41 What do you usually need to input cyrillian? Jun 19 08:57:56 polyonymous, I have these working ,but it does not input anything :( Jun 19 08:58:02 cyrillian is nice Jun 19 08:58:11 Laibsch, matchbox-keyboard + russian layout. Jun 19 08:58:21 slapin, what do you mean, rxvt doesn't work? Jun 19 08:58:22 hey folks, after I'm done angsrom-minimal, can I use it? Jun 19 08:58:34 polyonymous, seems to be Jun 19 08:58:49 slapin, can you display russian? Like `cat russian.txt` Jun 19 08:58:54 where russian.txt is in utf-8 Jun 19 08:58:54 polyonymous, yes Jun 19 08:58:57 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r764c1efd... 10/ (1 packages/meta/meta-toolchain.bb): meta-toolchain: inherot rootfs_ipk for the index methods Jun 19 08:59:06 what's your shell? Jun 19 08:59:12 and what's your locale -a Jun 19 08:59:17 polyonymous, date command is also cyrillic Jun 19 08:59:38 slapin, yes, let's get back to input. Jun 19 08:59:41 slapin: Have you set LC_* and LANG? Jun 19 08:59:53 Laibsch, only LANG Jun 19 08:59:58 rob_w: meta-toolchain should work a bit better now Jun 19 09:00:10 oh Jun 19 09:00:11 Laibsch, and yes, now we'll find out busybox not to be utf-8 :)) Jun 19 09:00:17 slapin: I really don't know if this will help, but try LC_* as well Jun 19 09:00:19 lets see Jun 19 09:00:24 polyonymous, busybox Jun 19 09:00:45 gotta go Jun 19 09:00:48 Later Jun 19 09:00:50 slapin, if you run `cat` and type russian then, what happens? Jun 19 09:00:55 polyonymous, well, but it used to work not so long ago... Jun 19 09:01:08 polyonymous, ^@ is printed Jun 19 09:01:19 then it looks like rxvt's locale. Jun 19 09:06:01 polyonymous, rxvt has no *locale* package. Jun 19 09:06:23 Laibsch: http://www.xora.org.uk/node/61 Jun 19 09:06:27 it seems something of lower level. Jun 19 09:06:51 XorA: SCHWEEET Jun 19 09:07:41 XorA: I guess something like would work with the original Sharp ROM? Jun 19 09:08:05 Laibsch: should be pretty much exactly the same, but Ive never used the original rom Jun 19 09:08:25 I might like to test out the Japanese stuff that originally was available Jun 19 09:08:27 Laibsch: although I dont think sharp ever shipped seperate zImage files Jun 19 09:08:33 Maybe I can rip some of the data out Jun 19 09:08:38 Laibsch: cacko has a japanese version Jun 19 09:08:39 slapin, I meant rxvt's environment Jun 19 09:09:01 slapin, try setting up your LC environment in rxvt and type `rxvt`. And see how it goes in the new rxvt instance. Jun 19 09:09:17 XorA: Will something like this also work for the collie? Jun 19 09:09:27 Laibsch: yes Jun 19 09:09:32 cool! Jun 19 09:09:46 Laibsch: as long as 2.4 kernel has built in command line it should work on all models Jun 19 09:10:01 Laibsch: obviously as long as your / in Angstrom is not in internal flash Jun 19 09:10:15 polyonymous, nothing changed. Jun 19 09:10:26 slapin, well, let me reboot in x11 then :) Jun 19 09:10:59 * polyonymous reboots. Jun 19 09:12:20 there now. Jun 19 09:15:50 slapin, indeed, I run it on my host display and it doesn't work. Jun 19 09:15:59 XorA: You've been blogged Jun 19 09:16:01 ;-) Jun 19 09:16:22 polyonymous, yes it seems to be rxvt breakage. Jun 19 09:16:35 breakage or not we'll figure out... :) Jun 19 09:18:21 polyonymous, I tried gpe-editor - it seems to be working. Jun 19 09:18:37 even better. Jun 19 09:18:55 * slapin goes to comment that in bug Jun 19 09:23:34 slapin, well, after setting LC_ALL to en_GB.utf8 and running x-terminal-emulator -display myhost:0 it works. Jun 19 09:24:18 polyonymous, so you say ru_RU is broken shmehow? Jun 19 09:24:29 slapin, I haven't tried it, lemme see. Jun 19 09:27:18 Laibsch: eeeeek Jun 19 09:27:29 slapin, yes, with ru_RU.utf8 it doesn't work :) Jun 19 09:27:58 eek? Jun 19 09:28:27 Laibsch: google kiss of death by creating a blog nest of links Jun 19 09:28:35 :-D Jun 19 09:28:41 XorA: regarding the zImage file not shipped by Sharp, yo should be able to build that with OE and openzaurus, right? Jun 19 09:28:44 well, then it is unavoidable to look inside of rxvt Jun 19 09:29:00 slapin, why rxvt? I'd rather think of looking into locale Jun 19 09:29:05 Laibsch: should be able to just cut it out of the NAND images Jun 19 09:29:12 Laibsch: someone once did a guide how to do that Jun 19 09:29:29 XorA: well, I am new to all this NAND stuff. I am more used to the collie Jun 19 09:29:34 No NAND there Jun 19 09:29:45 polyonymous, do you have ru_RU installed on your host (same where rxvt binary is) Jun 19 09:30:05 I've just installed, yes. Jun 19 09:30:30 Laibsch: it was call OSPACK or something Jun 19 09:30:35 ok, I'll look into this. Jun 19 09:30:40 XorA: re kiss of death, found nothing that seemed relevant Jun 19 09:30:45 polyonymous, Jun 19 09:30:53 Laibsch: and someone I once saw a guide how to split OSPACK up Jun 19 09:31:15 XorA, back when I thought about having sharp rom run from flash and kexecing their original kernel someone here told me it's not going to be easy to cut it out of nand Jun 19 09:31:18 XorA: yes, OSPACK there was for flashing the collie, but I thought NAND was something only available for later models. Jun 19 09:31:48 Laibsch: same principles, slightly different file format Jun 19 09:31:49 polyonymous: Just build it with OE Jun 19 09:32:17 Laibsch, original sharp kernel? Jun 19 09:33:38 well, I guess close enough Jun 19 09:34:02 OZ needed to provide this, right? Jun 19 09:34:26 no, not original kernel, but I guess we've had something close to it at some point. Jun 19 09:34:36 But "close" doesn't work here. Jun 19 09:34:47 polyonymous, for me it doesn't work with en_GB either Jun 19 09:35:13 polyonymous, only with LC_ALL setting Jun 19 09:35:31 Laibsch: you only have a collie? Jun 19 09:35:45 slapin, what do you mean only with LC_ALL? I mean export LC_ALL=en_GB.utf8 Jun 19 09:36:00 slapin, and now I tested with LC_ALL=en_US.utf8 as well Jun 19 09:36:37 XorA: no, I also have a spitz. But I have used the collie for long and I am more familiar with it Jun 19 09:36:42 polyonymous, LC_ALL=en_GB.UTF8 rxvt doesn't work too Jun 19 09:36:46 slapin, just not ru_RU. Perhaps someone thought that having russian locale and cyrillic is a bit too much for one person :) Jun 19 09:36:51 XorA: what is this kiss of death you were talking about? Jun 19 09:36:56 slapin, no, not rxvt, x-terminal-emulator Jun 19 09:37:09 Laibsch: the more blogs link to your webpage the lower your google pagerank gets :D Jun 19 09:37:15 slapin, I'm afraid rxvt isn't unicode-enabled. Don't know. Normally urxvt is. Jun 19 09:37:16 polyonymous: Why should "close enough" not work? Jun 19 09:37:18 polyonymous, x-terminal-emulator is symlink Jun 19 09:37:27 XorA: What? Jun 19 09:37:38 slapin, ah ok Jun 19 09:37:38 That cannot be true Jun 19 09:37:54 slapin, then forget about it :) Jun 19 09:37:55 Laibsch: it is true, thats how google combat blog spam Jun 19 09:38:06 polyonymous, and rxvt is unicode enabled since it is from rxvt-unicode package Jun 19 09:38:25 Laibsch, you can't load module for the kernel that is "close enough" :) Because it's close, but always not enough :) Jun 19 09:38:26 google is getting stranger every day Jun 19 09:38:34 polyonymous, it was working several months ago when I tried Jun 19 09:38:47 polyonymous, something is broken by then Jun 19 09:38:51 polyonymous: what module. SD module? Loaded fine in OZ and the OZ kernel Jun 19 09:38:53 slapin, forget all my statements about rxvt/urxvt :) Jun 19 09:39:24 Laibsch, I was talking about running stock sharp rom image from flash, not OZ. Jun 19 09:39:51 slapin, and I really suspect there's something wrong with locale... Jun 19 09:40:07 And I was talking about taking the OZ kernel and leave the rest of Sharp ROM intact Jun 19 09:40:22 XorA: Is http://planet.linuxtogo.org/ a blog for google? Jun 19 09:40:35 How will they know for every page whether it is a blog Jun 19 09:40:43 Laibsch: no idea Jun 19 09:40:54 XorA: I don't know much about this. But I suppose this is an urban legend Jun 19 09:40:56 polyonymous, gpe-editor works and some other apps... Jun 19 09:40:57 Laibsch: I dont work there and so dont have the secret mambo Jun 19 09:41:26 slapin, I don't think they pay much attention to glibc locale implementation Jun 19 09:41:29 Laibsch: no its one of the things they actually admitted pulls down pagerank, hence why google blog search is a seperate page Jun 19 09:41:46 interesting Jun 19 09:41:49 whatever Jun 19 09:42:12 You've still been blogged and maybe lots of people will come from my site to yours ;-) Jun 19 09:42:19 And buy pr0n off you Jun 19 09:42:23 :-D Jun 19 09:42:36 koen i will test it this afernoon Jun 19 09:42:44 Laibsch: yay I can become the pimp daddy Jun 19 09:42:50 Laibsch: and get a cool arse car Jun 19 09:43:00 XorA: Maybe this only includes the major hosted blogs. I wouldn't know how they want to distinguish blogs out there Jun 19 09:43:26 unmodified wordpresses might be easy, too ;-) Jun 19 09:44:55 koen : minimal-image does not include MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS packages. I believe they should be included in a minimal-image Jun 19 09:51:38 steliosk: indeed Jun 19 09:59:44 03koen 07org.oe.dev * re8fc68a3... 10/ (1 packages/gcc/gcc-cross-sdk_4.1.2.bb): gcc-cross-sdk: re-introduce SRC_URI hack which seems to be needed on at least my (32bit) debian system Jun 19 10:00:47 hi Jun 19 10:02:19 i sent a patch to the mailing list Jun 19 10:02:21 is it ok? Jun 19 10:05:56 no, attach it to the bugtracker Jun 19 10:06:36 it is not ok or i must attach it to the bugtracker to be considered? Jun 19 10:07:17 saladino: ML is for discussion. bug tracker is better for tracking bugs and accepting patches Jun 19 10:07:34 Please open a bug describing what problem you fix and attach your patch to it Jun 19 10:07:51 ok Jun 19 10:07:52 thanks Jun 19 10:11:12 slapin, try LC_ALL=ru_RU.UTF-8 Jun 19 10:17:33 ok Jun 19 10:17:36 bug reported Jun 19 10:18:01 * * OE Bug 2527 has been created by arkaitzj(AT)gmail.com Jun 19 10:18:03 * * Ucslugc does not compile and must be fixed to compile with uclibc0.9.29 Jun 19 10:18:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2527 Jun 19 10:20:44 saladino: Thanks Jun 19 10:23:38 How can i know what is the default version for a package? i've been greping to know why uclibc-0.9.28 is built by default at ucslugc but i can't find it Jun 19 10:25:15 saladino: There might be other ways Jun 19 10:25:35 But what I do is "bitbake -i" to get the interactive shell Jun 19 10:25:48 and then say "which uclibc" Jun 19 10:26:00 To find out which one is selected Jun 19 10:26:28 To understand the reason you can work with "bitbake -g uclibc" and look at the dot files Jun 19 10:27:23 ok Jun 19 10:27:26 i'll try Jun 19 10:27:34 or "bitbake uclibc -DDD|less" or "bitbake -c showdata uclibc|less" Jun 19 10:27:40 there are different tools Jun 19 10:27:49 try them and do what you like best Jun 19 10:36:01 * * OE Bug 2528 has been created by  Jun 19 10:36:03 * * CROSS COMPILE Badness: gtkhtml fails do_compile Jun 19 10:36:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2528 Jun 19 10:44:00 * * OE Bug 2521 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Jun 19 10:44:02 * *  update packages/classpath/classpath-gtk_0.93.bb Jun 19 10:44:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2521 Jun 19 10:46:04 * koen feels old and obsolete Jun 19 10:46:16 oh, wait I'm wearing a debian shirt Jun 19 10:49:21 koen: why is that? Jun 19 10:49:23 * XorA chuckles Jun 19 10:50:19 Laibsch: it was the only black polo-shirt that isn't in the washing machine or drying outside :) Jun 19 10:50:38 koen: pretend you are at debconf, go stand in the shower Jun 19 10:53:01 * * OE Bug 2526 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Jun 19 10:53:03 * *  ru_RU.UTF8 locale problems Jun 19 10:53:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2526 Jun 19 10:57:20 Hi! Jun 19 10:57:39 polyonymous: you also tested mboxkbd-layout-gui thing? Jun 19 10:57:56 psokolovsky, no, not yet Jun 19 10:58:16 polyonymous: ok, we'd appreciate your review/comments Jun 19 10:58:30 psokolovsky, yeah, I'm going to test it, of course. Jun 19 11:00:12 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r210a44da... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): packages/libpcap/libpcap_0.9.6.bb : Add libpcap 0.9.6 Jun 19 11:00:18 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r6e57ddc3... 10/ (1 conf/machine/i686-generic.conf): Jun 19 11:00:18 conf/machine/i686-generic.conf: Add MACHINE_EXTRA_RRCOMENTS="kernel-modules" as this is a Jun 19 11:00:18 generic target and all kernel modules should be included in the build image Jun 19 11:00:22 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * re721fda3... 10/ (1 conf/machine/i586-generic.conf): Jun 19 11:00:22 conf/machine/i586-generic.conf: Add MACHINE_EXTRA_RRCOMENTS="kernel-modules" as this is a Jun 19 11:00:22 generic target and all kernel modules should be included in the build image Jun 19 11:00:27 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * ra642b056... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-boot.bb): Jun 19 11:00:27 packages/tasks/task-boot.bb : Task boot should honour MACHINE_EXTRA and DISTRO_EXTRA Jun 19 11:00:27 recomentations Jun 19 11:00:32 03polyonymous 07org.oe.dev * r3eac26db... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): libx11: added patch to alias locale ru_RU.utf8, closing #2526 Jun 19 11:19:36 psokolovsky_: does defconfingman set the default locale to UTF8? Jun 19 11:22:51 koen: default locale? is there such thing on kernel code level? anyway. unlikely, it just uses standard options. but utf-8 nls module is shipped of course (or builtin likely) Jun 19 11:24:29 psokolovsky_: CONFIG_NLS_DEFAULT="UTF8" Jun 19 11:25:50 koen: ah, ok, no, it's set to default default of iso8859-1. do you think it's nice idea to set that to utf8? Jun 19 11:26:42 I think it makes sense Jun 19 11:26:58 less suprises with funky filenames Jun 19 11:27:16 NOTE: package meta-toolchain-1.0: completed Jun 19 11:27:30 ~hail koen Jun 19 11:27:31 * ibot bows down to koen and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Jun 19 11:28:26 koen: I'm just not sure what exact effect of that would be. for example, will utf8 be used by default as -o iocharset= for mount? in this case, I see risk that it will work differently comparing to how most other distros work ;-) Jun 19 11:53:18 koen, hmm i am still missing a created tar ? Jun 19 12:02:42 oh now i ve it Jun 19 12:13:08 polyonymous, thanks a lot! Jun 19 12:14:53 could it be that package-index doesnt include host ipk arch directory`s ,, as i miss the file Packages in my tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/i686 Jun 19 12:31:01 * * OE Bug 2529 has been created by  Jun 19 12:31:03 * * Angstrpm insists on using en-gb locale Jun 19 12:31:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2529 Jun 19 12:32:15 psokolovsky_, are you happy now? Jun 19 12:33:05 slapin: who is Angstrpm? Jun 19 12:33:11 Hi there :-) Jun 19 12:33:12 ;-E Jun 19 12:33:20 I was just wondering : where's the right place to fetch up-to-date kernel sources for Zaurus C-1000 (akita, that is) Jun 19 12:33:24 psokolovsky_, I'll check now Jun 19 12:33:47 slapin: don't haste ;-) Jun 19 12:34:20 Ecco: I don't know, but the if anyone does it's here :) Jun 19 12:34:28 ok ^^ Jun 19 12:34:29 psokolovsky_, now I fixed it. Jun 19 12:34:41 psokolovsky_, I mean name :-P Jun 19 12:34:56 slapin: what's unclear in all that is what solution you seek Jun 19 12:34:57 * Zero_Chaos kicks summatusmentis Jun 19 12:35:01 summatusmentis: :-P Jun 19 12:35:31 psokolovsky_, of course, I seek happines for all, and free. Jun 19 12:35:43 I'd say angstrom installs engb locale by default because it's the most primitive. Jun 19 12:35:59 slapin: ah, good luck Jun 19 12:36:46 Ecco: bitbake virtual/kernel -c patch Jun 19 12:37:06 Hmm, ok Jun 19 12:37:21 but Actually do I have to fetch all the OpenEmbedded environment ? Jun 19 12:37:30 I'm really only interested in the kernel sources Jun 19 12:37:41 polyonymous, but it forces to _not_ install others, which is I don't understand why. Jun 19 12:37:42 morning Jun 19 12:38:08 slapin: nonsense Jun 19 12:38:27 slapin, I've never tried to customize image, but if it lacks control then yes, it should be improved. Jun 19 12:39:00 psokolovsky_, what? Jun 19 12:39:23 slapin: that it doesn't allow to install others Jun 19 12:39:47 psokolovsky_, it doesn't allow to include them into image. Jun 19 12:40:02 slapin: why would that be needed? Jun 19 12:40:02 psokolovsky_, for me it is the same. Jun 19 12:40:35 psokolovsky_, for my own preverted reasons to not lose time installing all that trash by hand Jun 19 12:40:47 Well, I think the ability to customize image is a good thing. Jun 19 12:41:38 slapin: how your "preverted" (or postverted) reasons relate to angstrom? Jun 19 12:42:26 psokolovsky_, just pass away please Jun 19 12:42:55 pass away? Jun 19 12:43:33 slapin: prevert! ;-E Jun 19 12:44:15 Jacques Prévert, I hope? :) Jun 19 12:44:27 psokolovsky_, I'm not goig to argue with you about it. Jun 19 12:45:03 psokolovsky_, and I don'tcare if you don't care. Jun 19 12:45:33 Just don't fight, boys :) Jun 19 12:54:23 slapin: conf/local.conf:ANGSTROM_EXTRA_INSTALL = "" Jun 19 12:54:33 slapin: in local.conf Jun 19 12:54:43 gives you what you are loudly complaining about Jun 19 12:55:27 Laibsch, well, and I have to put there all locales by hand. That is deadly annoying. Jun 19 12:55:39 slapin: Well, poor you Jun 19 12:56:00 * Laibsch wonders how else he would want to fix that Jun 19 12:56:14 * Laibsch f*cking hates people who do nothing but complain Jun 19 12:56:25 Laibsch, IMAGE_LINGUAS does that thing. Jun 19 12:56:36 Laibsch, I am not among these people. Jun 19 12:56:43 Well, you just said in your bug that it does not, right? Jun 19 12:57:08 IMAGE_LINGUAS or ANGSTROM_EXTRA_INSTAL Jun 19 12:57:15 I mean, who gives a rat's ass? Jun 19 12:57:22 Get on with life and be productive! Jun 19 12:57:32 Laibsch, if you replace "=" with "?=" in angstrom....conf then it works Jun 19 12:57:47 Good point. Although the mere presence of IMAGE_LINGUAS is misleading when it doesn't work. Jun 19 12:57:59 Laibsch, but I'm against that what is in that conf. Jun 19 12:59:27 slapin: provide a patch to replace = with ?= Jun 19 12:59:47 Laibsch, I hope koen is not agains it? Jun 19 12:59:50 I am sure koen will object if there is good reason for the = Jun 19 12:59:57 But I assume it is an error Jun 19 13:00:09 slapin: we'll see Jun 19 13:01:10 so, there should be good reason for it to be ?=. but guy can't get it for a second day, sigh... Jun 19 13:02:04 psokolovsky_: Well, sorry to say. Jun 19 13:02:09 I don't get it either Jun 19 13:02:14 But maybe I just missed it. Jun 19 13:02:32 I think slapin did give a very valid reason for it to be ?= Jun 19 13:02:40 Well, let slapin submit patch and koen will either accept it or go wild about it. Jun 19 13:02:44 9e8c127f.. by pfalcon 2007-02-27: # Also, it appears that no locales fit in 16Mb for now. "C" locale rules! Jun 19 13:02:44 : IMAGE_LINGUAS = '${@base_less_or_equal("ROOT_FLASH_SIZE", "16", "", "en-gb", d)}' Jun 19 13:02:47 And I support that since I might want to customize things myself Jun 19 13:02:52 so I'm not the one to ask Jun 19 13:02:59 :)))) Jun 19 13:03:01 * * OE Bug 2530 has been created by r.farina(AT)adelphia.net Jun 19 13:03:03 * * libpcap_0.9.6 missing "shared.patch" Jun 19 13:03:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2530 Jun 19 13:03:12 OK, argument taken Jun 19 13:03:19 slapin: Get a bigger toy ;) Jun 19 13:03:23 moreover, he originally complained that it's hard to build *fully* localized images (at least how I undertood that), and being able to override IMAGE_LINGUAS doesn't help much with that... Jun 19 13:03:38 koen: Looks super! Even better than just the simple ?= Jun 19 13:03:58 Laibsch, credits go to psokolovsky_ :) Jun 19 13:04:23 OK, document that in the please. So, people can be referred to it in case it comes up again Jun 19 13:04:35 I don't really like it, anyway. Jun 19 13:05:01 polyonymous: but not for '='. I swear that I left whatever was there before I stuff base_less* there. Jun 19 13:05:27 psokolovsky_, fix that then :-E Jun 19 13:05:46 psokolovsky_, I'd think that it should leave IMAGE_LINGUAS intact if there's no need to cut it down to nothing. Jun 19 13:05:51 koen: On the other hand, I will be building images only meant to be used for altboot. It would be even cooler if those restrictions applied only to images meant for flashing but not to ext2, for example. I know this is work. I won't have time and thus I won't complain if nobody else does it. Jun 19 13:05:54 so again, to change it to ?= maybe nice idea, but still, what exactly argumentation, so we all know? being able to build own hack image is probably not it, as oen can change it locally and be happy. Jun 19 13:05:57 Just an idea, though Jun 19 13:06:30 Laibsch: jffs2 vs ext2, etc, etc is wel known issue on todo... Jun 19 13:06:52 psokolovsky_, no, I think that would probably justify ?= local changes look better in local.conf Jun 19 13:07:43 patch is attached to oebug 2529 Jun 19 13:07:54 polyonymous: the question is if anagrom would allow such change? I'm not mainatiner and have no idea. Jun 19 13:08:20 psokolovsky_: Wasn't known to me. Is there a bug report about it? If not, it does not exist ;-) Jun 19 13:08:50 psokolovsky_, why not, we're not trying to make it proof against all possible nasty things in local.conf. You'd have absolutely no problem to break it via local.conf, anyway :) Jun 19 13:08:53 polyonymous: note there're lotsa other '=' stuff there. For example, suppose someone will want to reset nokia770's feed arch to i586, would that justify ?= in FEED_ARCH_nokia770 = "armv5te"? guess yourself Jun 19 13:09:04 slapin: Unfortunately, I guess we already found out that it is going to be rejected. And I found the reason convincing Jun 19 13:09:13 psokolovsky_, We're not talking about changing all = into ?= Jun 19 13:09:24 polyonymous: I know that Koen did have such program ;-) Jun 19 13:09:37 psokolovsky_, what program? Jun 19 13:09:42 sed? Jun 19 13:10:05 polyonymous: any change requires reason, that's where we finished discussion on the matter with slapin, as he didn't want to get that... Jun 19 13:10:24 polyonymous: "we're not trying to make it proof against all possible nasty things in local.conf" Jun 19 13:10:40 psokolovsky_, I'm sure koen would agree that it's impossible, anyway :) Jun 19 13:11:09 it impossible, but angstrom already has a fair amount of error-fixing :) Jun 19 13:11:43 well, to some certain extend we do, of course. Jun 19 13:11:54 polyonymous: there're formal criteria for distro integrity,a nd OE allows to enforce them. again, I'm not in position to argue on settings I'm not sure about, so ask others for their reasons. Jun 19 13:12:22 (and please put reason in the bugtracker, mailinglist or wiki) Jun 19 13:12:28 reasons* Jun 19 13:12:51 oh anyone who likes Dr Who, there is a convention in Birmingham the day after guadec finishes :-) Jun 19 13:12:53 I'm not going to argue, I'm just trying to find a solution. But it sure needs some thought as i'm not quite familiar with this machinery. Jun 19 13:14:17 what is the simplest way generate a uclibc system using the Arm ABI? Jun 19 13:14:40 seems something like ${HOST} is missing in classes/packaged-staging.bbclass:116 ipkgarchs="xxx" Jun 19 13:15:00 ambro: ANGSTROM_MODE = "uclibc" Jun 19 13:15:41 and, also, I confirm oebug 2530 Jun 19 13:15:42 koen|away: is angstrom suitable for any system, not only for PDAs? Jun 19 13:15:57 PDA's? Jun 19 13:16:05 polyonymous: exactly. slapin touched complex and important issue, but pushes some random fix, instead of thinking out and RFCing good solution. that's my account of it. Jun 19 13:16:12 why that? Jun 19 13:16:30 I read it is a system for pdas Jun 19 13:16:41 ambro: where did you read that? Jun 19 13:16:48 * koen prepares to lart some websites Jun 19 13:17:01 * * OE Bug 2531 has been created by r.farina(AT)adelphia.net Jun 19 13:17:03 * * gpsd_2.34-r3 fails Jun 19 13:17:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2531 Jun 19 13:17:12 psokolovsky_, you again push her personal ambition, then. I think, any fix is better than current behaveour. Jun 19 13:17:43 * koen is still waiting for gmane to remove the angstrom mailinglists from the handhelds category Jun 19 13:18:12 psokolovsky_, no, I'm not voting for slapin's fix, I'm just thinking about the issue at hands. Jun 19 13:18:15 koen|away: "Ångström - Distribution from all sorts of handhelds, successor of OpenZaurus and OpenSimpad distributions" at the documentation section on OE site Jun 19 13:18:32 And no, slapin, no fix is better than _any_ fix. Jun 19 13:18:53 psokolovsky_, I agree that better solution is needed, but proposed one (meta packages) is very problematic since you don't know which packages user will try to build. Jun 19 13:19:22 slapin: too bad you see it that way. because I'm trying to gently guide you towards how angstrom change control should work... Jun 19 13:19:56 psokolovsky_, I'd be happy to hear from you, but will open bsb card, just in case. Jun 19 13:19:57 slapin: for *ansgtrom image* it is more or less well known. Jun 19 13:20:11 slapin: read above then Jun 19 13:20:27 what's a bsb card? You'll kill me with your acronyms one day :) Jun 19 13:20:35 slapin: You are wrong Jun 19 13:20:48 slapin: And you fail to accept when you have been given a reason Jun 19 13:21:37 slapin, the thing is not all issues can be resolved in a minute. If you have a hack that works for you - good that you've shared it, thank you, but for now keep it in your local copy. Jun 19 13:21:51 polyonymous: first thought "bullshit blocker" Jun 19 13:21:55 which I think was close Jun 19 13:21:58 psokolovsky_, I agree with your point, but in case when user wants to install additional package, and locale package is generated, then he will have to install it separately, and it is really impossible for him. Jun 19 13:22:04 * Laibsch votes for bullshit bingo! Jun 19 13:22:09 Do I get a price? Jun 19 13:22:16 ambro: angstrom supports anything, not only PDAs Jun 19 13:22:21 B Sky B pirate cards :-) Jun 19 13:22:22 Laibsch: bullshit!! ;-) Jun 19 13:22:26 And, Laibsch, I think in general slapin's done nothing wrong, as in he raised an issue and provided a fix which is going to be accepted, rejected or amended. Jun 19 13:22:50 koen: did you respond to rmk yet? Jun 19 13:23:05 slapin: nice catch. do you alreday spec a tool which will go thru list of all installed packages and for each foo-bar will install foo-bar-ru for example? Jun 19 13:23:13 s/bsb/www.bullshitbingo.net/ Jun 19 13:23:20 zecke: no, I wasted enough time on that patchsystem Jun 19 13:23:21 polyonymous:I never meant to say slapin *did* something wrong Jun 19 13:23:40 So, let's not make him feel as if he did. Jun 19 13:23:51 polyonymous: I don't think I did Jun 19 13:24:03 Laibsch, I'm not talking about anyone in particular. Jun 19 13:24:07 Please don't read that into my words when I never said anything even close to it Jun 19 13:24:09 * koen gives everyone a cookie Jun 19 13:24:18 psokolovsky_, that will hardcode a convention. I think it shoudld be possible on image-build stage. Jun 19 13:24:27 * polyonymous swallows a cookie like a MSIE. Jun 19 13:25:27 slapin: implement that then. IMAGE_LINGUAS is not such thing of course. Jun 19 13:26:46 luckily I'm going off now :) Jun 19 13:28:24 psokolovsky_, ah, you got me, then I can't say I did not switched my mind on now :( Jun 19 13:28:58 psokolovsky_, btw, have you tested that thing? I mean, mboxkbd-layouts-gui? Jun 19 13:29:13 * polyonymous is building it now Jun 19 13:29:31 But I won't be testing it before I leave. Jun 19 13:31:06 polyonymous, please provide feedback to me about mbox-*-gui and to psokolovsky_ about other things. Jun 19 13:31:08 slapin: I still don't understand what you mean, but in case after 1-hour session 3 people were finally able to find argument which knocked to you, then all is good ;-) Jun 19 13:31:11 bye! Jun 19 13:33:32 psokolovsky_, well, as always you found excuse to do nothing, I guess :-P (I really thankful, so got an idea of script which I implement now, but I need to ask a few stupid questions in a while) Jun 19 13:33:35 slapin, you don't mean I have no right to give psokolovsky_ any feedback regarding mboxkbd-*-gui? :) Jun 19 13:33:56 polyonymous, I think psokolovsky_ is ok with that. Jun 19 13:33:56 And again, boys, please, don't fight. Jun 19 13:34:10 ljp: can one download the new Qtopia theme somewhere? Jun 19 13:34:24 Anyway, I will not keep it secret once I have something to report. Jun 19 13:34:26 slapin: next time, try to post and RFC on the ML, with detailed description of issue, proposal of solution, and few words why that solution is good ;-) Jun 19 13:34:28 polyonymous, then he will not have tou yell and push me Jun 19 13:34:59 psokolovsky_, I'm researching my approach now, what's wrong with that? :-E Jun 19 13:35:07 polyonymous: well, mbox*gui is slapin's thing, so that would be hop-less ;-) Jun 19 13:35:31 I see. Jun 19 13:35:40 slapin: all's cool, go on Jun 19 13:35:42 anyway, maybe today evening I'll try it. Jun 19 13:36:55 psokolovsky_, and, actually, I'm not good with "presentation skills" thing, and my mails tend to be invisible somehow sometimes... Jun 19 13:37:15 slapin, you get better by doing :) Jun 19 13:39:58 Crofton, hope so :) Jun 19 13:42:46 where does a gcc check and find its standard includes ? Jun 19 13:43:38 hello Jun 19 13:44:01 How to commit a patch in oe? Jun 19 13:44:22 bugs.openemebedded.org Jun 19 13:44:25 then wait two years Jun 19 13:45:12 I have a code, which I want to add in org.openembedded.dev Jun 19 13:45:20 step2back: I was talking to you Jun 19 13:45:51 step2back: just open a new bug on the bug tracker and post your code there Jun 19 13:46:24 and wait two years? Jun 19 13:46:28 lol Jun 19 13:46:56 * dcordes is getting some popcorn Jun 19 13:47:18 dcordes: I'm not starting anything, I'm not in the mood today, I have work to do ;-) Jun 19 13:47:31 ^^ Jun 19 13:47:57 mdk3 in the repos yet? Jun 19 13:48:12 I'm very interested in it Jun 19 13:48:21 step2back: you don't have to wait, once you submit patch, you can with peace in soul enjoy the life ;-) Jun 19 13:48:23 * koen mumbles something about "not helping your case" Jun 19 13:48:51 dcordes: sorry it's not, but that's okay because my hostap patch that RP commited isn't working right, I need to check it out. Jun 19 13:48:55 :) Jun 19 13:49:04 koen: ;) Jun 19 13:49:08 koen: it's too late to save my soul ;-) Jun 19 13:49:23 Zero_Chaos, not using the rt2x00 ? Jun 19 13:49:45 dcordes: I have that too, but I really wanted my Linksys WCF12 to work as well Jun 19 13:50:14 hmmm, what can be the solution for "Could not inherit file classes/rootfs_${IMAGE_PKGTYPE}.bbclass"? Jun 19 13:50:16 I have no interest in a working hostap since my prism2 card (hawking tech or so) is the last crap. Jun 19 13:50:46 saladino: IMAGE_PKGTYPE not being defined? Jun 19 13:50:54 i was using the nslu makefiles, but i want to know how to compile Jun 19 13:51:10 I'm happy with the ralink although it is like I've got to carry around two akitas Jun 19 13:51:13 zecke i've used the tutorial, and it doesm't say anything about that var Jun 19 13:51:31 it isnt at local.conf neither Jun 19 13:51:33 dcordes: that's why I want the hostap card to work, CF :-) Jun 19 13:51:45 saladino: I don't know what 'the tutorial' but a grep on conf/ should show it? Jun 19 13:52:01 slapin: org.openembedded.dev/conf (or whatever you name your checkout) Jun 19 13:52:01 Zero_Chaos: I took your public apology as a sign you had learned something. Your intro to step2back did not sound like you really did. Jun 19 13:52:19 http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted#introduction Jun 19 13:52:24 it can be outdated.. Jun 19 13:52:27 I bet the dlink is ways better. I don't ven have signal everywhere in my flat. And it's a small one ^^ Jun 19 13:52:48 s/ven/even Jun 19 13:53:27 Laibsch: I was merely quoting what I was told, I suppose I should have laughed when I said it. And since I've already watched you be rude to someone else who was trying to help today, I don't really feel like getting into it. Jun 19 13:53:56 saladino: do you have a INHERIT += "package_ipk" in your local.conf? Jun 19 13:54:16 saladino: most of the times (probably all) the distribution is doing that. So check if your DISTRO name is correct? Jun 19 13:54:19 beginning to sound like an episode of WWE in here Jun 19 13:54:42 ok Jun 19 13:54:44 XorA: hehe Jun 19 13:54:46 i'll check Jun 19 13:55:03 saladino: grep "package_ipk" conf/distro/* | wc -l Jun 19 13:55:04 14 Jun 19 13:55:08 XorA, WWE? Jun 19 13:55:17 world war embedded? Jun 19 13:55:23 dcordes: fake wrestling Jun 19 13:55:26 dcordes: to be honest, the prism2 CF is pretty damn lame, but again, it's CF and that means it is easier to use. If all you need is mdk2/3 then it works pretty well Jun 19 13:55:29 World Wrestling Entertainment Jun 19 13:55:55 hmm, thanks zecke Jun 19 13:55:58 have to put it manually Jun 19 13:56:04 ucslugc does not set that automatically Jun 19 13:56:07 Zero_Chaos, so I'm happy I'm not the only one with lame cf Jun 19 13:56:27 humm Jun 19 13:56:36 slugos.inc sets that and it is included Jun 19 13:56:39 dcordes: it's not that bad, just crippled because 802.11b only Jun 19 13:56:45 shouldn't fail Jun 19 13:57:04 saladino: bitbake -DDD and check if that file is loaded at all? Jun 19 13:57:10 saladino: check if your BBPATH is correct? Jun 19 13:57:28 BBPATH is correct Jun 19 13:57:36 wait a second... Jun 19 13:59:50 dcordes: do you also have a prism2 CF card for your akita? Jun 19 14:00:02 yep yep Jun 19 14:00:14 old 802.11b one (hawking tech= Jun 19 14:00:19 dcordes: want to be my test buddy then :-) Jun 19 14:00:20 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r34968760... 10/ (1 packages/libogg/libtheora_0.9+1.0alpha7.bb): libtheora: add 1.0 alpha7 Jun 19 14:00:24 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r70abff34... 10/ (1 packages/libpcap/libpcap-0.9.6/shared.patch): libpcap: add misssing file Jun 19 14:00:26 Zero_Chaos, of course Jun 19 14:00:46 dcordes: there is an old mdk2 in OE already, compile it and try to use it. Jun 19 14:00:48 Zero_Chaos, but isn't the present module already working well? Jun 19 14:01:05 I already had an mdk3 which I compiled on device :) Jun 19 14:01:07 Zero_Chaos: The logs are clear about who was rude and who showed manners. "asshat" for no reason was not from me. Jun 19 14:01:29 Zero_Chaos, isn't the mdk2 already in the angstrom feed?? Jun 19 14:01:37 not again :( Jun 19 14:01:49 Zero_Chaos: And you weren't quoting what you were told. so cut the crap Jun 19 14:01:53 Laibsch: I was talking about your rudeness to slapin actually, I have not insulted you yet today, and I'm trying hard not to start Jun 19 14:02:35 don't waste your valuable time people Jun 19 14:02:37 dcordes: yes yes, my point is I'm having issues with the hostap driver. The rawtx patch is in the akita kernel, but it doesn't work for me. Can you test it? Jun 19 14:03:00 Zero_Chaos: What pills are you again taking. slapin, was I rude to you? Jun 19 14:03:53 uuuh akita backlight frozen again Jun 19 14:04:02 Laibsch, Zero_Chaos, cut the crap please, I'm trying to concentrate Jun 19 14:04:18 that's what I'm talking about Jun 19 14:04:37 slapin: agreed Jun 19 14:04:45 slapin: sorry to disturb you Jun 19 14:05:27 dcordes: I found a solution ;-) Jun 19 14:05:44 for your rawtx issues? Jun 19 14:05:52 dcordes: for my other issue Jun 19 14:05:55 10:13 Ignoring ALL from laibsch Jun 19 14:06:01 this way I don't even want to talk to him Jun 19 14:06:05 ;-) Jun 19 14:06:13 now back to the rawtx issue Jun 19 14:06:21 dcordes: can you test it for me? Jun 19 14:06:45 Good Jun 19 14:06:58 Zero_Chaos, uuuh it doesn't load hostap at all! Jun 19 14:07:25 dcordes: that's not good... I certainly don't have that problem. you load orinoco or something? Jun 19 14:08:28 didn't change anything about the hostap modules n'either added orinoco or so. Only module I have additionally here is the good rt73-k2wrlz which is only loading on connected usb Jun 19 14:08:53 zecke solved Jun 19 14:08:54 thanks Jun 19 14:09:00 was a typo in a var Jun 19 14:09:08 dcordes: if you have the prism2 cf card in, and you modprobe hostap and hostap_cs do you get wlan0 and wifi0? Jun 19 14:09:18 that's the problem Jun 19 14:09:21 no iface added Jun 19 14:09:27 saladino: but again, I'm not sure how well ucslugc is tested Jun 19 14:09:44 but let me check loading the module manually (had to reboot again since the baclight got of second time) Jun 19 14:09:45 zecke im testing it :) Jun 19 14:10:00 Zero_Chaos, do you also experience those backlight locks? Jun 19 14:10:23 dcordes: to be honest, I have not really used it very much, mostly development Jun 19 14:12:01 It works now. why doesn't it load hostap and hostap_cs automagically anymore?? Jun 19 14:12:33 dcordes: I don't know, it should. when I build my kernel I build out orinoco/hermes, it tends to solve problems. Jun 19 14:13:09 Zero_Chaos, so, when I try running mdk2 wlan0 I get the lacking monitor mode / wrong hostap error Jun 19 14:13:30 iwconfig wlan0 mode monitor channel 6 Jun 19 14:13:33 entering monitor mode with iwconfig wlan0 channel # made it show up the various attacks Jun 19 14:13:39 right Jun 19 14:13:48 Crofton: http://www.rowetel.com/blog/ Jun 19 14:13:55 iirc it switched to monitor mode auotmatically before? Jun 19 14:13:59 dcordes: now try like "mdk2 wlan0 d" but don't do it on the channel with your ap. Jun 19 14:14:02 dcordes: no, it doesn't Jun 19 14:14:10 wow I find this requirement interesting: Design efficient code from Day Zero :) Jun 19 14:15:18 huh my akita doesn't like me today: iwlist wlan0 scan: network is down Jun 19 14:15:42 dcordes: then bring it up ;-) and you can't scan in monitor mode FYI Jun 19 14:16:00 Zero_Chaos, it is up and managed Jun 19 14:16:11 dcordes: should work then Jun 19 14:16:17 should, yes. Jun 19 14:16:42 koen: do you have any objection to enabling CONFIG_SWITCH_ROOT in the busybox config for Angstrom? Jun 19 14:16:59 cbrake: not at all Jun 19 14:17:02 I reloaded hostap now it does scan again, but: no results. Jun 19 14:17:06 ap is definetly in range. Jun 19 14:17:16 dcordes: iwlist is not exactly reliable Jun 19 14:17:33 koen: thanks! Jun 19 14:17:35 dcordes: try mdk2 and see if you can inject packets Jun 19 14:17:37 Zero_Chaos, well nevermind airodump scans Jun 19 14:17:39 so Jun 19 14:17:40 koen: I'll make that change then Jun 19 14:17:57 I will try and deauth my windoze xp with broadcom. Jun 19 14:18:03 d-link ap Jun 19 14:18:10 dcordes: yeah, kismet and airodump-ng work. but packet injection fails (for me) Jun 19 14:19:19 cbrake: fyi, it is enbaled in busybox-static, maybe that would work for you even better Jun 19 14:19:27 mdk2 wlan0 d is kind of silent -.- Jun 19 14:19:38 dcordes: exactly Jun 19 14:19:48 dcordes: IE not working Jun 19 14:19:51 it's monitor and correctly channeled Jun 19 14:19:54 Murder Death Kill ? Jun 19 14:20:19 XorA: it's actually multiple something something but yeah. Jun 19 14:20:26 Zero_Chaos, ah wait! Diconnecting between ff... and my ap Jun 19 14:20:34 dcordes: does it work? Jun 19 14:21:23 Good afternoon Jun 19 14:21:31 yo sirfred Jun 19 14:21:34 it says it sent 13 packs / 4pps but freezes after that and no deauth visible Jun 19 14:22:09 dcordes: feezes as in locks or freezes as in goes silent again? Jun 19 14:22:27 Zero_Chaos, just silent.. Jun 19 14:22:49 I can't figure the difference between locking and goin silent but it says nothing after what I mentioned above Jun 19 14:22:54 dcordes: you have aireplay-ng on there? test fakeauth or something please. Jun 19 14:23:09 ok one fakeauth then I have to go sorry Jun 19 14:23:15 dcordes: okay Jun 19 14:24:03 Zero_Chaos, what was the ap and source variable? Jun 19 14:24:16 dcordes: -a -h respectively Jun 19 14:25:11 psokolovsky_: so, with busybox static, busybox is the only app in the rootfs and you do everything with shell scripts? Jun 19 14:25:16 Zero_Chaos, waiting beacon Jun 19 14:25:47 XorA: I was looking yesterday a little into that Cyclone 68000 emulator. Jun 19 14:25:50 dcordes: that is odd, you should get one at a minimum of once per 28 seconds... Jun 19 14:26:01 dcordes: if you still don't have one, it seems the test is over. Jun 19 14:26:04 cbrake: yep, that's the idea. with uclibc, minimal initramfs is around 500k. Jun 19 14:26:13 XorA: Perhaps it should be nice to have it ported (and some emulator, of course) into oe Jun 19 14:26:24 It looks like a really fast emulator Jun 19 14:26:39 Zero_Chaos, card was on wrong channel. It's trying to auth no but obviously w/o success Jun 19 14:26:42 yep no auth Jun 19 14:27:01 dcordes: put it on the right channel and it claims to send packets but fails? Jun 19 14:27:05 psokolovsky_: that would be nice. Unfortunately, with this project I still need a custom C app in the rootfs, but I could probably make it part of busybox. Jun 19 14:27:07 yep Jun 19 14:27:12 dcordes: thanks a lot. Jun 19 14:27:18 dcordes: I'll work on it ;-) Jun 19 14:27:29 psokolovsky_: I guess that would be an optimization for later :-) Jun 19 14:27:42 Zero_Chaos, no problem. I'm helping where I can. Jun 19 14:27:46 have to go, alter Jun 19 14:27:47 cbrake: anyway, it's just fyi. I think that enabling seitch_root for normal busybox is good idea anyway, and handful of bytes Jun 19 14:27:47 later Jun 19 14:28:06 psokolovsky_: ok, thanks for the ideas -- good to know Jun 19 14:28:57 XorA: It seems that I'm trying to make you forget your gp2x and come back to the zaurus world. ;-) Jun 19 14:29:03 dcordes: take it easy Jun 19 14:29:35 sirfred: I use my gp2x for games, zaurus for laptop Jun 19 14:30:14 XorA: Just joking. But it should be nice to have more emulators running decently on the zaurus Jun 19 14:30:31 sirfred: I used to maintain fuse for pdaXrom :-) Jun 19 14:30:42 sirfred: it would be easy in OE, just need to get round to it Jun 19 14:30:58 XorA: Looking at how they say the cyclone core runs on a mobile phone, it should work better on the zaurus Jun 19 14:31:26 XorA: fuse? Filesystem in userspace ? Jun 19 14:31:48 Free unix spectrum emulator, I guess Jun 19 14:31:48 sirfred: ZX Spectrum emulator Jun 19 14:32:18 XorA: That should be also nice. I love emulators, but once I got them running, I don't use them actually a lot. Jun 19 14:32:18 UAE working would be cool as well Jun 19 14:32:23 AmigaOS portable Jun 19 14:33:07 XorA: THe only thing that I doesn't like in the picture is.. libSDL. Jun 19 14:33:36 'I doesn't', my english is getting better every day. :-( Jun 19 14:34:22 My apologizes to all the english speakers. Jun 19 14:34:35 sirfred: dont worry, I mangle the language regularly Jun 19 14:35:24 Oh, it seems that somebody fixed the strange patch problem I was suffering yesterday. Jun 19 14:35:44 distutils-base.class, perhaps it was the guilty Jun 19 14:36:17 XorA: Do we already have a recipe for uae ? Jun 19 14:36:28 sirfred: yes, e-uae Jun 19 14:36:42 XorA: It doesn't work fine? Jun 19 14:37:17 sirfred: needs a decent launcher Jun 19 14:37:27 sirfred: and a way to get the menus up Jun 19 14:37:32 sirfred: IMO Jun 19 14:37:55 XorA: The frontend curse Jun 19 14:38:33 sirfred: UAE has an acceptable gtk+ frontend built in, no idea if it works on 640x480 screen Jun 19 14:39:14 Anyone know who is in charge of imagemagick or libpcap? Jun 19 14:39:20 XorA: Is the engine libSDL based? Jun 19 14:39:34 sirfred: it can run on X11 raw or SDL AFAIK Jun 19 14:39:43 sirfred: its been years since I last compiled it Jun 19 14:40:02 XorA: Thanks for the information. Jun 19 14:40:17 sirfred: for snes I only need gpe-snes or I need something else as well? Jun 19 14:40:32 Zero_Chaos: It's enough imo Jun 19 14:40:40 Zero_Chaos: And some roms, of course. Jun 19 14:40:56 sirfred: in that case, thanks, it compiled fine last night after you left ;-) Jun 19 14:41:21 Zero_Chaos: gpe-snes, I adapted it from an old gtk-1.x frontend called gsnes9x or something so Jun 19 14:41:24 sirfred: I will be playing "Chrono Trigger: Radical Dreamers" on the plane tomorrow, thanks to you. Jun 19 14:41:35 Zero_Chaos: Good. :) Jun 19 14:42:52 Zero_Chaos: The only bad thing would be perhaps, the resolution, game is only 320x240 or so. But you can provide a scaler from the frontend iirc Jun 19 14:43:14 Just use one not too cpu intensive Jun 19 14:44:02 Zero_Chaos: Or perhaps you could use fbset to change the screen resolution, then fire x and the frontend. Jun 19 14:45:12 sirfred: you don't think the akita can handle 640x480? Jun 19 14:45:42 Zero_Chaos: Well, it can handle it, but the games are 320x240. So you have two choices: Jun 19 14:46:09 change my screen res to 320x240 then ;-) Jun 19 14:46:11 1.-Run the machine at near the game resolution, just changing res (fbset or with proper xrandr support in the xserver) Jun 19 14:46:30 2.-Run the game at 640x480 , telling the emulator to double the pixels, but this could be cpu intensive. Jun 19 14:46:36 Just try and choose the better. Jun 19 14:47:14 sirfred: the first one, what does it require? Jun 19 14:47:26 I thought there was proper xrandr support.... Jun 19 14:47:42 Zero_Chaos: I think that not for resolution changes, only rotation. Jun 19 14:47:53 ahh Jun 19 14:47:55 Zero_Chaos: xrandr also handles screen resolution, if the driver exposes the different available ones. Jun 19 14:48:08 you can start Xfbdev at 240x320 quite happilly though Jun 19 14:48:19 Zero_Chaos: That's what I added to xserver-kdrive-imageon, but only for imageon 100 devices. Jun 19 14:48:42 Xfvdev -screen 240x320@270 Jun 19 14:48:50 XorA: that's it? for akita? Jun 19 14:48:56 Zero_Chaos: yeah Jun 19 14:49:00 XorA: from the console I presume? Jun 19 14:49:04 Zero_Chaos: yeah Jun 19 14:49:11 sweet Jun 19 14:49:20 and how do I kill gpe to start with? Jun 19 14:49:45 /etc/init.d/gpe-dm stop Jun 19 14:49:51 Zero_Chaos: For example, from a xterm: /etc... Jun 19 14:49:56 :) Jun 19 14:49:57 awesome, thanks Jun 19 14:50:01 both of you Jun 19 14:50:12 Zero_Chaos: np Jun 19 14:50:20 edit /etc/X11/Xserver, change the akita line :-D Jun 19 14:50:34 then /etc/init.d/gpe-dm start Jun 19 14:50:42 XorA: I don't want it 320x240 all the time, that would be sad :-( Jun 19 14:51:24 Perhaps using xinit or something so you can choose the server and args. Jun 19 14:51:24 Zero_Chaos: just swap between two copies of the file Jun 19 14:51:36 But I don't remember the spells Jun 19 14:53:39 polyonymous, ping Jun 19 14:54:12 polyonymous, which package do locale.alias you changed belong? Jun 19 14:54:35 * slapin seems to see some kind of fundamental problem... Jun 19 15:04:02 * * OE Bug 2518 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Jun 19 15:04:05 * *  update "packages/classpath/classpath-minimal-native_0.93.bb" Jun 19 15:04:07 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2518 Jun 19 15:08:03 please help anyone Jun 19 15:08:06 http://pastebin.ca/576552 Jun 19 15:08:22 where is the resulting file system after I build some target packages ? Jun 19 15:09:54 ambro: normally the images are jffs2 Jun 19 15:10:32 I just want an ext2 image, how can I generate it? Jun 19 15:11:00 should be in conf/local.conf Jun 19 15:12:08 but what command to execute to generate it ? Jun 19 15:12:33 bitbake someimage-image ? Jun 19 15:12:59 Zero_Chaos: any idea on libtool thingie ^^^ ? Jun 19 15:13:01 but what shoult that 'something' be Jun 19 15:13:10 if you don't mind.... Jun 19 15:13:15 djay-il: sorry, no clue. I didn't have that bug. Jun 19 15:14:02 ambro: That is kinda your problem, i don't know what you are trying to do. I build images to run Angstrom on my akita... and I like angstrom-console-image and sometimes angstrom-x11-image so I can play snes... what about you? Jun 19 15:15:46 Zero_Chaos: I just need an image to run on my ARM board, all I need is that it sets up a console on the system console Jun 19 15:16:29 ambro: is your machine type defined in OpenEmbedded? I'm guessing no... Jun 19 15:16:41 yes its ep93xx Jun 19 15:17:17 ambro: that's good. what images to people normally make for that device? that is likely what you need to know Jun 19 15:18:27 Zero_Chaos: only userspace, my system will call init and it should setup a serial console on /dev/console Jun 19 15:19:00 ambro: then you don't need an image at all, you just need programs. Jun 19 15:19:06 ambro: something like SERIAL_CONSOLE = "115200 ttySAC0" in machine.conf Jun 19 15:19:55 Zero_Chaos : but where is the rootfs ? I just ran 'bitbake busybox'. Jun 19 15:20:10 XorA: SERIAL_CONSOLE = "57600 ttyAM0" Jun 19 15:20:30 koen: that looks something like it yes :-D Jun 19 15:21:04 * Zero_Chaos is not qualified to continue this conversation. Jun 19 15:21:07 hey guys, anyone on that libtool thing? And one more: how do I clean a package installation including downloaded packages? Thanks a lot... Jun 19 15:21:15 the serial port on ep93xx boards is somewhat special, since it might need uart-baud-hack.patch Jun 19 15:21:28 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rb0b5357a... 10/ (1 packages/gpsd/gpsd.inc packages/gpsd/gpsd_2.34.bb): Jun 19 15:21:28 gpsd: disable python stuff: Jun 19 15:21:28 NOTE: Checking Package: python-pygps Jun 19 15:21:28 ERROR: Architecture did not match (40 to 3) on /work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gpsd-2.34-r3/install/python-pygps/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gpspacket.so Jun 19 15:21:28 people really should use insane.bbclass...... Jun 19 15:21:33 03cbrake 07org.oe.dev * rc157d585... 10/ (6 files in 6 dirs): busybox: enable CONFIG_SWITCH_ROOT in busybox config Jun 19 15:21:35 but can someone just trl Jun 19 15:21:38 03cbrake 07org.oe.dev * r4dacfb42... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): uclibc-0.9.29: add compulab-pxa270 machine config Jun 19 15:21:43 where is the root fs ? Jun 19 15:21:49 djay-il: lookup rm_work class in the wiki. and why on earth would you want to clean the downloads? so you can download again? Jun 19 15:23:00 Zero_Chaos: yes, I suspect the download went wrong... Jun 19 15:23:32 djay-il: you can delete the file easily enough. check where you store your downloads and delete if you want Jun 19 15:24:02 Please someone tell me how can I get the userspace after i did 'bitbake busybox'. Jun 19 15:24:50 ambro: if you are looking for an image, you havent made one, if you are looking for packages they are in tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/* Jun 19 15:26:01 * * OE Bug 2218 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Jun 19 15:26:02 * *  Please update freetype2 version Jun 19 15:26:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2218 Jun 19 15:26:05 XorA: how can I extract all these packages so I get a simple ext2 image ? Or just extract them in a folder? Jun 19 15:26:12 * * OE Bug 2532 has been created by joaquinduran(AT)adtelecom.es Jun 19 15:26:14 * * Create .bb file for libsigc++ 2.0.17 package Jun 19 15:26:16 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2532 Jun 19 15:27:44 ambro: see IMAGE_FSTYPES, and then bitbake an image target like angstom-console-image Jun 19 15:27:47 bugfixes with patches are attended quickly? Jun 19 15:27:58 koen: it seems you were nice enough to quickly resolve two of the bugs I reported this morning.... but you didn't mention the fix or close the bugs it seems.... Jun 19 15:28:07 koen: the libpcap one is obvious, I will close it Jun 19 15:28:09 * sirfred get interested about e17 evas library Jun 19 15:28:26 koen: but about the gpsd.... how did you resolve, would you mind notating it ? Jun 19 15:29:09 you reported bugs? Jun 19 15:30:00 I just fixed bugs that showed up on my build, I didn't look at bugzilla Jun 19 15:31:09 Zero_Chaos: how would rm_work help? Jun 19 15:31:30 koen: ahh, well libpcap and gpsd I reported bugs this morning on Jun 19 15:31:42 hellow Jun 19 15:32:01 * * OE Bug 2530 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by r.farina(AT)adelphia.net Jun 19 15:32:03 * *  libpcap_0.9.6 missing "shared.patch" Jun 19 15:32:04 how can I see what packages bitbake is about to install? like "emerge -av xxx" equivalent? Jun 19 15:32:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2530 Jun 19 15:32:11 koen: and you fixed them as well. BTW, your gpsd fix basically reverted to -r2 instead of fixing it. the author seemed to be trying to make python work... Jun 19 15:32:21 saladino: That depends on someone finding an interest. But of course patches lower the barrier for the committer and thus increase your chances to get a commit. Just like everywhere, really. Jun 19 15:32:41 Best way to produce a patch is with Jun 19 15:32:42 please, give instruction how to commit bug in http://bugs.openembedded.org/ Jun 19 15:32:44 ~mtndiff Jun 19 15:32:45 from memory, mtndiff is the best way to get files added into OpenEmbedded is to "find packages/$projectdir -exec mtn add {} ;\ ; mtn diff packages/$projectdir > /tmp/mtndiff.patch" from within your OE directory. After that please go to http://bugs.openembedded.org then, open a new ticket and attach /tmp/mtndiff.patch to it. Jun 19 15:32:50 ambro: install as in build? I think a dry run would make sense or let it generate a graph for you Jun 19 15:33:01 saladino: that mtndiff thing was for you Jun 19 15:33:22 step2back: click 'new', then pick bitbake, openembedded, or zaurus kernel, then report the bug Jun 19 15:33:40 I get *.diff file is it patch? Jun 19 15:33:48 mtndiff, ok Laibsch i'll use that in the future Jun 19 15:33:54 cool Jun 19 15:33:58 must i resend the bug? Jun 19 15:34:19 saladino: No, you can make attachments to bugs Jun 19 15:34:25 ahm Jun 19 15:34:25 ok Jun 19 15:35:24 , after new, fill fields and exec " mtn diff palmld.conf > palmld-new-config.diff" Jun 19 15:35:38 Zero_Chaos: blindly enabling python without testing is not "trying to make python work" Jun 19 15:35:51 Laibsch i generated my patch with mtn diff, i thought mtndiff was another tool Jun 19 15:36:11 I run 'bitbake angstrom-console-image' but bitbake was beginning to compile python-native - why, I akready have python on my system ? Jun 19 15:36:48 ambro: its like installing 'emerge system' - it will build a bunch of stuff without you specifically asking for it Jun 19 15:37:25 ambro: the idea of OE is to require the minimum of services on the host, so it builds it own stuff, this also allows us to make sure we build what we need and not have to work around braindead distro ideas of what we need Jun 19 15:38:00 * * OE Bug 2533 has been created by step2back(AT)gmail.com Jun 19 15:38:02 * * PalmLD new machine config Jun 19 15:38:04 but how to just make an image of what is currently installed ? I only need busybox... Jun 19 15:38:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2533 Jun 19 15:38:15 koen: there is some stuff near the bottom of gpsd.inc that appeared to me as "trying to make python work" Jun 19 15:39:19 koen: I was not attempting to ~lart you, I was merely suggesting that the maintainer should fix it if he wants python enabled Jun 19 15:39:46 , please check my bug http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2533 Jun 19 15:39:57 the "maintainer" should have insane.bbclass enabled, as I said in my commit message Jun 19 15:40:49 koen: meaning the maintainer forcibly disabled insane.bbclass and that is why they missed the bug? Jun 19 15:41:09 that is a good point Jun 19 15:42:20 step2back: looks like you did it right to me. Jun 19 15:43:04 Zero_Chaos: if I'm forcing libtool definition in freetype .bb to simply "libtool", it seems to work... Jun 19 15:43:26 so why don't I have the {HOST_TYPE}-libtool ? Jun 19 15:43:34 djay-il: that doesn't seem right to me, that would likely cause the host's libtool to be used. Jun 19 15:43:54 djay-il: that I don't know. maybe you are missing a dependancy or something. Jun 19 15:44:11 I'm using the one from the same folder, just named differently Jun 19 15:44:22 djay-il: dunno then. Jun 19 15:44:47 and I have a pretty default Ubuntu 7.04 install Jun 19 15:45:33 , my english so bad that I don't understand you. Please answer right or wrong? Jun 19 15:45:50 step2back: Your bug report looks right. Jun 19 15:46:06 thanks. Jun 19 15:47:24 Zero_Chaos: the question was, is this libtool supposed to be created or downloaded? Then it might hint me to a problem... Jun 19 15:47:39 djay-il: created Jun 19 15:48:00 * * OE Bug 2534 has been created by step2back(AT)gmail.com Jun 19 15:48:02 * * Hackndev project move to 2.6.21 Jun 19 15:48:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2534 Jun 19 15:48:18 Zero_Chaos: do you remember how? Jun 19 15:48:52 djay-il: mine gets created automagically when I build stuff, that's all I know Jun 19 15:50:51 Zero_Chaos: ok thanks a lot :-) Jun 19 15:56:01 * * OE Bug 2535 has been created by step2back(AT)gmail.com Jun 19 15:56:03 * * PalmLD defconfig for 2.6.21 Jun 19 15:56:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2535 Jun 19 15:59:39 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rfb1d8d05... 10/ (1 packages/spandsp/spandsp_0.0.3+0.0.4pre3.bb): spandsp: update to 0.0.4pre3 Jun 19 15:59:44 03sirfred 07org.oe.dev * r80cb1acc... 10/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Jun 19 15:59:44 gstreamer 0.10 : Fixed QA staging issues Jun 19 15:59:44 * New gst-common.inc file to keep commont gstreamer/gst-plugin-* Jun 19 15:59:44 configuration Jun 19 15:59:44 * Overload do_stage function specialized for gstreamer Jun 19 15:59:44 * Bumped up individual package versions Jun 19 16:06:41 anyone know who pfalcon is? Jun 19 16:07:01 ~pfalcon Jun 19 16:07:29 Zero_Chaos: wazzup Jun 19 16:07:36 ibot seems to be sleeping Jun 19 16:10:07 ~lart sirfred Jun 19 16:10:07 * ibot beats sirfred to within 2.54cm of his life Jun 19 16:10:10 psokolovsky: howdy! you were the last to commit imagemagick, is it yours? Jun 19 16:10:12 No, no sleeping Jun 19 16:10:54 Zero_Chaos: not mine, and don't remember committing to it, maybe random fix Jun 19 16:11:33 psokolovsky: fair enough. I saw you had pushed gpsd last as well, same thing or is that yours? Jun 19 16:12:35 * koen recommends 'mtn log' and 'mtn annotate' Jun 19 16:12:50 koen: that is where I see the pushes, is in mtn log ;-) Jun 19 16:13:16 koen: that's why I was looking for pfalcon, because his name was on the last update of a few things I was looking at. Jun 19 16:13:38 Zero_Chaos: yeah, everything in OE is mine, mine ;-). P.S. learn mtn better Jun 19 16:14:09 I wrote OE in one day, check mtn :) Jun 19 16:14:17 psokolovsky: my mtn foo sucks. I just saw you were last to push updates for those two things and so I thought I would ask. Jun 19 16:14:32 damnit, I did check mtn log... I'm learning annotate now Jun 19 16:15:14 Zero_Chaos: also suggested subscribe to openembedded-commits Jun 19 16:15:37 psokolovsky: is there a list of all the lists somewhere? Jun 19 16:16:10 Zero_Chaos: ask Mailman who runs them Jun 19 16:16:17 koen: well since you taught me about mtn annotate, now it seems I'm looking for you. You were the last to update imagemagick, twice. Mind lending me a hand with a bug in it? Jun 19 16:16:30 psokolovsky: sadly that means little to me. Jun 19 16:19:48 psokolovsky: I found the page though, http://www.openembedded.org/contact if interested Jun 19 16:23:03 koen: well oebug 2525 if you don't mind looking at it. Jun 19 16:25:01 * * OE Bug 2536 has been created by  Jun 19 16:25:03 * * update "packages/classpath/classpath.inc" Jun 19 16:25:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2536 Jun 19 16:26:01 * * OE Bug 2537 has been created by  Jun 19 16:26:03 * * update "packages/classpath/classpath.inc" Jun 19 16:26:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2537 Jun 19 16:36:01 * * OE Bug 2538 has been created by  Jun 19 16:36:02 * * update "packages/cacao/cacao-fpu.inc" Jun 19 16:36:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2538 Jun 19 16:56:43 mithro: I stumbled upon your blog while reading david rowes one :) Jun 19 17:26:26 koen: Did you play with expedite? Jun 19 17:58:07 sirfred: it segfaulted for me :( Jun 19 17:58:21 koen: Works here, but paints no more than rubbish Jun 19 17:58:45 I wonder if I need an evas x11 16 bit engine Jun 19 17:58:50 Going to try with it Jun 19 18:02:16 Anyway, I'm dissapointed. I expected it to be clever enough to hide me the real x11 server bpp and those kind of things. Jun 19 18:03:11 who does kernel stuff for zaurus? Jun 19 18:08:08 ljp: RP and thesing mostly Jun 19 18:10:46 I need to look at some of thesing's patches... Jun 19 18:11:52 RP: libcairo2_1.4.8-r0_avr32.ipk :) Jun 19 18:12:04 koen: nice :) Jun 19 18:12:33 RP: I don't know if there are already patches that are worth looking at. Jun 19 18:12:54 hi koen! Jun 19 18:12:57 gotta versioning question with bitbake. koen ? Jun 19 18:13:03 thesing: The commandline one looked good to me, just needs to be made so it won't break x86 :) Jun 19 18:13:05 hey HopsNBarley Jun 19 18:13:09 dfoley: shoot Jun 19 18:14:10 i'm working with 2 different kernel versions that I'm switching back and forth with PREFERRED_VERSION Jun 19 18:14:44 when i build the image the new version is always in the image not the older one Jun 19 18:15:02 i have to remove all the new version ipk's to get my older version back Jun 19 18:15:52 dfoley: right, not much we can do about that, it's a defect of most package managers Jun 19 18:16:15 RP: well it doesn't seem to work on poodle. (hvontres told on ML) Jun 19 18:16:17 I solve it in the exact same way, removing the pakcages.... Jun 19 18:16:22 ok not a big deal, just wanted to know if it was known or not Jun 19 18:16:37 thesing: Which device did you test on? Jun 19 18:16:39 thanks, you guy rock Jun 19 18:17:07 RP: I only tested on collie. Jun 19 18:17:21 thesing: ok. I'm sure it will be something simple.... Jun 19 18:17:43 koen: are you using ppc or powerpc kernel on the efika? did you have to develop a DTS file for that? Jun 19 18:18:08 RP: is kernel/ksysfs.c the right place to put this stuff? I'm not sure, what to proper interface for kexec-tools is. Jun 19 18:18:20 HopsNBarley: I have no idea what a DTS file is Jun 19 18:18:42 how about ppc/powerpc kernel? Jun 19 18:18:47 HopsNBarley: steliosk and likewise are the efika kernel people Jun 19 18:18:55 thesing: Not arm specific code Jun 19 18:19:28 excellent thanks: a DTS file is a device description format that allows a single kernel to run a bunch of diff. hardware. passed to kernel by u-boot. Jun 19 18:41:08 psokolovsky: I found a regression in your defconfigman configs for h2200, h5000 and hx4700 Jun 19 18:41:37 koen: what's that? Jun 19 18:41:49 psokolovsky: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=kernel-module-sl811-cs is missing Jun 19 18:42:00 so my usbhost card doesn't work Jun 19 18:42:24 koen: ah, easily, lots of such stuff may be missing ;-). will add it Jun 19 18:42:34 thanks Jun 19 18:43:00 it should be unders drivers->usb->host support, sl811 -> pcmcia Jun 19 18:43:22 koen: ok Jun 19 18:44:13 psokolovsky: you disabled NAND support for h2200? Jun 19 18:44:23 * koen is suddenly missing /home Jun 19 18:44:26 Hmm, with the x11-16 engine, it doesn't draw rubbish. It draws nothing. :( Jun 19 18:45:37 koen try 'cd' :) Jun 19 18:45:39 psokolovsky: but the kernel upgrade using ipkg on the h2200 worked great Jun 19 18:46:07 koen: not really, but it could be the case it was not enabled in contributed config... Jun 19 18:46:32 psokolovsky: I have /home on NAND, since I don't need wince Jun 19 18:46:45 koen: and rootfs? Jun 19 18:48:09 psokolovsky: RS-MMC Jun 19 18:50:03 koen: I see. well, need to check that all stuff. I'm not much familiar with mtd, still not using it ;-). so, if you'll have time to check it, please do, otherwise I'll ping h2200 folks there. Jun 19 18:50:43 psokolovsky: debugging is a bit hard since my wifi card doesn't work as well... Jun 19 18:51:00 koen: usbnet? ;-) Jun 19 18:51:10 heh Jun 19 18:51:12 koen: just dmesg would be useful... Jun 19 18:51:24 I'm at en21 now on my mac Jun 19 18:51:35 I have no intention to find out when it overflows :) Jun 19 19:17:19 slapin, pong, still here? :) Jun 19 19:20:43 anyone happen to know where IMAGE_PKGTYPE should be defined? I have nearly identical builds where it is defined in one, but not the other. Jun 19 19:32:37 the lyrtech boys did one thing right, they used the same hw for the network interface ... Jun 19 19:33:25 ahh INHERIT -- looks as it I have the distro name messed up Jun 19 19:36:22 Crofton, who's lyrtech? Jun 19 19:36:30 www.lyrtech.com Jun 19 19:36:40 I have one of the small form factor sdr boards Jun 19 19:37:02 how does one do oabi with angstrom now? Jun 19 19:38:16 TARGET_OS ? Jun 19 19:40:50 Crofton: angstrom Jun 19 19:42:36 I think you can mess with the value of TARGET_OS Jun 19 19:42:46 linux versus linux-eabi? Jun 19 19:42:52 I forget exactly how Jun 19 19:43:11 there is an oabi file for angtrsom in the conf ir also Jun 19 19:52:00 Crofton: there used to be one. As of this morning it is gone :-) Jun 19 19:52:30 perhaps some magic with PACKAGE_ARCH -- still looking ... Jun 19 19:52:42 hmm Jun 19 19:52:48 I am pulling now Jun 19 19:53:02 I think all you have to do is change TARGET_OS Jun 19 19:53:12 I forget the machine incantation though Jun 19 20:21:02 * * OE Bug 2526 has been REOPENED by Jun 19 20:21:04 * *  ru_RU.UTF8 locale problems Jun 19 20:21:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2526 Jun 19 20:22:09 Crofton: this looks like it: +TARGET_OS = "linux${@['','-gnueabi'][bb.data.getVar('TARGET_ARCH',d,1) in ['arm', 'armeb'] and bb.data.getVar('MACHINE',d) not in ['collie','h3600', 'h3800', 'simpad']]}" Jun 19 20:22:24 is there any slapin' around? ;-) Jun 19 20:22:28 ah Jun 19 20:22:39 so linux-gnueabi is eabi Jun 19 20:22:54 and linux is oabi Jun 19 20:22:59 Crofton: I think so. Jun 19 20:23:08 that sounds like what I remember Jun 19 20:24:11 so now I have to make a private copy of angstrom-glibc.inc if the machine is not in OE ... Jun 19 20:26:58 what to do with the compulab-pxa270 machine -- I really need to get a jffs2 solution merged ... Jun 19 20:38:19 for u in `/userlist | cut -d" " -f1`; do `/msg $u Hello ${u}!` Jun 19 20:39:39 ; done Jun 19 20:39:42 :D Jun 19 20:41:05 s/-d" "/-d\\ / ;-) Jun 19 20:41:29 :D Jun 19 21:07:23 hi Jun 19 21:30:32 koen: from __future__ import braces Jun 19 21:31:13 braces? Jun 19 21:32:22 koen: type it in a python shell Jun 19 21:34:25 SyntaxError: not a chance Jun 19 21:36:12 is there a #oe log somewhere? Jun 19 21:37:03 ~logs Jun 19 21:37:05 logs is, like, apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org// where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/.html.gz Jun 19 21:38:11 thanks koen Jun 19 21:38:25 somebdody told me something before and i can't remember Jun 19 21:41:07 * koen dances the jig Jun 19 21:41:09 100K avr32/python-core_2.4.4-ml0_avr32.ipk Jun 19 21:42:35 :) Jun 19 21:43:39 avr32 might get the mickeyl-stamp of architecture approval :) Jun 19 21:44:07 Good night Jun 19 22:02:08 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r68f002bf... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): xorg-lib: move ruutf8 patch to libx11 Jun 19 22:02:14 03sirfred 07org.oe.dev * r7c858c6a... 10/ (19 files in 3 dirs): gstreamer 0.10: Deleted obsoleted packages Jun 19 22:02:19 03sirfred 07org.oe.dev * re84ce197... 10/ (1 packages/tremor/tremor_20041119.bb): tremor 20041119 : Correct staging QA issues Jun 19 22:16:19 hi Jun 19 23:03:01 * * OE Bug 2534 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Jun 19 23:03:03 * *  Hackndev project move to 2.6.21 Jun 19 23:03:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2534 Jun 19 23:28:58 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r21c10a8f... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-hackndev-2.6_svn.bb): linux-hackndev-2.6 svn: SVN trunk is now 2.6.21-hnd1. Jun 19 23:39:09 hi Jun 20 01:59:00 * * OE Bug 2539 has been created by  Jun 20 01:59:02 * * Wrong place for patch Jun 20 01:59:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2539 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 20 02:59:58 2007