**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 24 02:59:58 2007 Jun 24 03:04:27 someone tell me the variable for the staging lib directory? Jun 24 03:04:41 ${STAGING_LIB_DIR} perhaps? Jun 24 03:05:35 found it Jun 24 03:06:43 Zero_Chaos, STAGING_LIBDIR Jun 24 03:06:57 Marex: thanks ;-) Jun 24 03:06:57 Zero_Chaos, it is in oe handbook and every second .bb file Jun 24 03:07:03 ;-] Jun 24 03:07:19 Marex: I couldn't find it in the handbook, but I just picked a few .bb files at random ;-) Jun 24 03:07:30 yeah Jun 24 03:37:23 hrw|gone: hey man, libpcap_0.9.6 doesn't seem to stage right, it seems to stage as 0.9.5 and it should really run ldconfig after it stages. Jun 24 06:45:59 good morning Jun 24 07:07:41 win 111 Jun 24 07:07:46 sorrt Jun 24 08:02:01 * * OE Bug 2555 has been created by utx(AT)penguin.cz Jun 24 08:02:03 * * patch to make kernel driver for Sharp CE-RH2 working Jun 24 08:02:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2555 Jun 24 10:14:24 morning Jun 24 10:14:50 Zero_Chaos: please check patches which we apply - probably someone forgot to bump SONAME Jun 24 10:17:05 psokolovsky__: feel free to apply that patch to rootfs_ipk and do same for rootfs_Deb Jun 24 10:17:24 psokolovsky__: your patch is similiar to a way how it is handled in Poky Jun 24 10:17:44 hrw: Hi! nice, thanks Jun 24 10:18:26 psokolovsky__: normal images use task-base which use DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS. minimal image skip that deps Jun 24 10:18:39 yeah Jun 24 10:24:19 psokolovsky__: in general: look at rootfs* in poky and compare with your way Jun 24 10:24:30 will do Jun 24 10:25:33 * hrw starts to more and more like his 12" dell Jun 24 10:29:36 damn ... glibc locale generation failed :-/ Jun 24 10:29:43 http://www.pastebin.cz/show/1384 any idea about this ? Jun 24 10:30:04 psokolovsky__, oe is broken ;-E ^ Jun 24 10:40:24 Marex: possibly, funky host hardware Jun 24 10:40:49 psokolovsky__, yeah, i686 is weird hardware Jun 24 10:42:19 psokolovsky__, it may be iwmmxt though ... Jun 24 10:42:58 Marex: define broken Jun 24 10:43:54 hrw, it is not broken locale but broken iwmmxt support in qemu Jun 24 10:44:39 then complain about qemu not oe Jun 24 10:45:05 hrw, sorry, I was torturing psokolovsky__ a bit again ;] Jun 24 10:45:19 but anyway, qemu in oe is quite outdated anyway Jun 24 10:47:29 patches welcome Jun 24 10:49:38 hrw, what about neo1973-svn qemu? Jun 24 10:51:40 Marex: it is floating svn version Jun 24 10:52:08 Marex: for locale generation I prefer to have stable released version then random snapshot Jun 24 10:52:44 hrw, it is better since it is one step before qemu-mainstream Jun 24 10:53:04 I know it is not ideal, but at least there is iwmmxt support and it is more targeted on arm/pxa Jun 24 10:53:27 Marex: ad it is also hard to follow due to way which Andrew took to code it Jun 24 10:53:46 Marex: localegen does not need pxa support Jun 24 10:53:55 it only need base arm support rather Jun 24 10:54:14 why it dies like this when I compile with iwmmxt? Jun 24 10:54:16 hm.. but I feel your polint Jun 24 10:54:31 iwmmxt binaries will not work in normal qemu. Jun 24 10:54:36 yeah Jun 24 10:54:48 hrw, Ill let you know Jun 24 10:55:04 Marex: I would rather prefer adding iwmmxt patchset to our qemu then using neo1973 tree for qemu Jun 24 10:55:39 hrw, we need upgrade no matter what, 0.8.2 is way too old Jun 24 10:57:16 as I said - patches welcome Jun 24 11:00:20 hrw, work in progress Jun 24 11:00:36 good Jun 24 11:05:22 yeah, we should upgrade to 0.9.0 Jun 24 11:08:35 psokolovsky__, oh ... really? ;-I Jun 24 11:08:51 hrw, the qemu in oe is cvs anyway as I see Jun 24 11:09:01 * * OE Bug 2484 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Jun 24 11:09:03 * *  rootfs_ipk: Do not hardcode dependency on ipkg Jun 24 11:09:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2484 Jun 24 11:09:44 Marex: don't forget to reapply gcc4 patches... Jun 24 11:10:57 Marex: 20060723 which we use for qemu-native was ~0.8.x iirc Jun 24 11:12:35 Morning Jun 24 11:13:12 hi sirfred Jun 24 11:13:21 Hey, hrw Jun 24 11:15:32 bye all Jun 24 11:19:47 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rc168ec90... 10/ (1 classes/rootfs_ipk.bbclass): (log message trimmed) Jun 24 11:19:47 rootfs_ipk.bbclass: Do not hardcode ipkg RDEPENDency. Jun 24 11:19:47 * Instead, ad dit to DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS, so full-fledged Jun 24 11:19:47 images bsed on task-base will get it automagically, while adhoc Jun 24 11:19:47 images (initrds, etc.) can leave it out. Jun 24 11:19:48 * This corresponds with how dpkg is handled, and how it is done Jun 24 11:19:50 in poky. Jun 24 11:42:34 is there any way how to convince OE to do svn checkout over https? Jun 24 11:42:42 psokolovsky, question for you ^ Jun 24 11:42:55 sure Jun 24 11:43:05 proto=, grep is your friend Jun 24 11:43:20 psokolovsky, thanx ;-E Jun 24 11:47:14 psokolovsky, NOTE: Fetch svn://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973;method=pserver;proto=https;module=qemu-neo1973 Jun 24 11:47:14 svn: REPORT request failed on '/!svn/bc/2337/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/qemu-neo1973' Jun 24 11:47:17 :-T Jun 24 11:47:42 psokolovsky, this is the address of the repo https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973 :-/ Jun 24 11:48:18 Marex: "method=pserver"? Jun 24 11:48:48 it smell by cvs somehow, right? Jun 24 11:50:50 I think Im nearly there Jun 24 11:56:39 at least ... Jun 24 12:53:04 re Jun 24 12:59:56 re Jun 24 13:00:19 Marex: hrw meant patches to update to 0.9.0, not to the neo qemu fork Jun 24 13:06:08 hey people, why would I receive "Illegal instruction" when trying to chroot to my rootfs? Jun 24 13:10:07 perhaps you are using a chroot that you compile for the libc that are inside the rootfs and you need to compile one for the host ? Jun 24 13:11:52 djay-il: that means your kernel lacks EABI support Jun 24 13:12:08 bummer Jun 24 13:12:37 koen: I followed your guide for angstrom install, but how can I recompile kernel with EABI support? Jun 24 13:13:04 by enabling it in the defconfig Jun 24 13:13:18 check the other kernel .bbs to see how they do it Jun 24 13:13:29 e.g. packages/linux/linux.inc Jun 24 13:17:16 koen: well, I'd rather use my vendor Jun 24 13:17:23 's kernel Jun 24 13:17:26 oops Jun 24 13:17:40 so recompile it Jun 24 13:17:52 would bitbake -f do it? Jun 24 13:17:53 the linux kernel is GPL, so you have all the sources Jun 24 13:18:07 you need to teach your kernel recipe to enable eabi Jun 24 13:18:13 because bitbake says it has nothing to done... Jun 24 13:18:16 you can see how to do that by looking at linux.inc Jun 24 13:19:12 btw, is there more comprehensive documentation for Angstrom than building 3 images? Jun 24 13:19:37 the OE manual Jun 24 13:19:58 * koen wonders why people disabel their brains when reading a step by step tutorial Jun 24 13:20:41 koen: it is natural Jun 24 13:20:58 mind gets disabled automatically when people hear "documentation" Jun 24 13:21:08 yeah Jun 24 13:21:21 I meant something specific to Angstrom Jun 24 13:21:29 you are the third or fourth person to say something like "why can I only build 3 things?" Jun 24 13:21:45 maybe I should rephrase the documentation a bit Jun 24 13:24:09 hello Jun 24 13:24:29 no, I only asked that because many people when wanting something fast, are looking for instruction list. And that is what can be found, those 3 things. Jun 24 13:25:03 btw, after I'm done with this and you need help with documentation, let me know, I might find some time to help Jun 24 13:25:25 * djay-il wonders if koen needs help at all :-) Jun 24 13:26:17 I hate writing docs Jun 24 13:26:33 who doesn't... Jun 24 13:26:43 tell me about it.. Jun 24 13:27:06 I don't hate writing, I just am unfit in writing non-compressed howtos Jun 24 13:27:48 heh Jun 24 13:27:55 djay-il: most people when start using distro, study its site carefully, and www.angstrom-distrubution.org has some info to browse Jun 24 13:28:27 psokolovsky: I sometimes think that I know Angrstom site by heart. Btw, it was updated recently :-) Jun 24 13:28:41 djay-il: and you don't need to ask if help needed, http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/Angstrom has plenty of info to add. caveat: you need to know what you're going to write about ;-) Jun 24 13:29:03 heh Jun 24 13:29:05 "Add q about imaginary software scarcity." Jun 24 13:31:46 psokolovsky: I usually start understanding what I'm doing after I've done it few times Jun 24 13:31:57 its just the way my mind workd Jun 24 13:32:09 s/workd/works Jun 24 13:32:16 it tooks me over 2 years to understand OE/bitbake Jun 24 13:32:54 koen: oh, then I have about a year and 10 month to go :-) and that if I have abilities like you Jun 24 13:40:30 djay-il: when you'll know everything Koen does, you won't write docs, but hack instead. So, catch your state between complete newbie and complete guru ;-). A month of close being around is helpful in either case. Jun 24 13:56:08 hi Jun 24 14:05:55 m orning Jun 24 14:09:53 psokolovsky: nah, I will never be able to hack, I'm not that smart Jun 24 14:16:28 psokolovsky, damn ... qemu: uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - exiting Jun 24 14:16:36 even with qemu090/omoko Jun 24 14:18:21 Marex: lart balrog-kun ;-) Jun 24 14:18:42 ~lart balrog-kun Jun 24 14:18:43 * ibot shoots balrog-kun in the head Jun 24 14:18:48 yeah :b Jun 24 14:19:12 psokolovsky, anyway ... why does it ends like that ... damn Jun 24 14:19:17 I should ask omoko people Jun 24 14:19:34 ibot: you are prevert, as slapin would say Jun 24 14:19:35 psokolovsky: what are you talking about? Jun 24 14:20:16 psokolovsky, I can send you the qemu if you want Jun 24 14:20:19 Marex: it ends like that because you started it like that. stop wasting time with obscure things like iwmmx. anyway, YMMV Jun 24 14:20:22 just to revise Jun 24 14:20:42 the neo-qemu lacks the ntpl patch, so it will never work for binary localegen and eabi Jun 24 14:20:45 psokolovsky, iwmmxt is nice Jun 24 14:21:07 koen, I ported the one in oe to 0.9.0/omoko Jun 24 14:21:26 port it to plain 0.9.0 instead of the openmoko fork Jun 24 14:21:39 using the neo fork for localegen will never be accepted in OE Jun 24 14:21:40 koen, plain 0.9.0 doesnt have iwmmxt Jun 24 14:22:00 so use plain qemu svn Jun 24 14:22:25 does it have iwmmxt? Jun 24 14:22:51 koen, I think it fails because of that :-/ Jun 24 14:23:43 qemu svn can emulate a full spitz, so it should have iwmmxt Jun 24 14:25:15 koen, fine ... Jun 24 14:25:47 except qemu is still in cvs ;-) Jun 24 14:26:50 they have some snapshots, Ill use that for now Jun 24 14:28:50 Marex: as balron said, iwwmx implementation can be partial and not well tested. he used some asm files to test it AFAIK ;-) Jun 24 14:29:26 as I know him it is pretty obscure and untested at all then Jun 24 14:29:26 :B Jun 24 14:30:30 Marex: cpufreq also doesn't work in qemu/CVS HEAD for example ;-) Jun 24 14:31:02 cpufreq doesnt work on my device either ... dunno why Jun 24 14:32:14 well, in qemu it BUG()s out in usespace governor ;-) Jun 24 14:36:07 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * rb58ee1fa... 10/ (1 packages/sphyrna/sphyrna_svn.bb): sphyrna: package python scripts Jun 24 14:36:59 psokolovsky, fix it and send patch ;-E Jun 24 14:38:04 Marex: I'll pass that my gsoc student, maybe she'll want to fix it ;-) Jun 24 14:39:04 psokolovsky, ah ... you're now a slavemaster ... ok Jun 24 14:39:33 nope, just mentor Jun 24 14:40:33 * Marex goes to look at headsetd while compiling qemu Jun 24 14:46:18 Marex, if qemu was ing git you could easily rebase your patches aginst any of heads, so that's my 2c for git, again Jun 24 14:47:35 psokolovsky, you're lazy as always :-P Jun 24 14:48:37 slapin: any evidences? Jun 24 14:53:11 psokolovsky, even not perfoming trivial test Jun 24 14:56:32 btw, gm, all! Jun 24 15:02:32 hi people, please someone could give a littel help ? Jun 24 15:02:52 I emailed the list about a problem doing bitbake for cups Jun 24 15:03:20 and I having problems with /var/run/cups/certs permissions Jun 24 15:21:52 * djay-il bangs his head on a tabl Jun 24 15:21:53 e Jun 24 15:22:00 why doesn't this work??? Jun 24 15:30:13 is a proiblem of permissions Jun 24 15:30:23 excuse me problem Jun 24 15:30:30 problem of permissions Jun 24 15:30:40 according bug id 2345 Jun 24 15:31:12 I applied the patch that exist on bug tracker but without effect the error remain unfixed Jun 24 15:32:02 Failed to move ./var/run/cups/certs to /home/lvcargnini/puc/instramed/openembedded/tmp/work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/cups-1.2.10-r0/install/cups/./var/run/cups/certs Jun 24 15:32:10 !!! [Errno 13] Permission denied Jun 24 15:32:24 this is my problem Jun 24 15:32:46 so you are missing a chmod somewhere... Jun 24 15:41:36 how can I be sure that my kernel is eabi? Jun 24 15:42:08 I applied the patch did a bibtbke -c clean cups and did bitbake again now it worked Jun 24 15:45:42 hrw|gone: the patch was taken directly from 0.9.5 and put into 0.9.6; would you mind bumping soname and the rev please? Jun 24 15:52:19 djay-il: by checking the .config that is used to build the kernel Jun 24 15:54:10 koen: by that .config it is built in, but my rootfs is still not working Jun 24 15:55:16 well, I have to go now, will work on this tomorrow. Thanks people Jun 24 15:55:32 koen: would you be kind enough to bump soname for libpcap 0.9.6, that was apparently missed. and the rev would be nice Jun 24 16:00:39 bump soname? Jun 24 16:00:47 that's something for upstream Jun 24 16:02:19 koen: in our patch Jun 24 16:02:37 you've lost me Jun 24 16:02:49 Zero_Chaos: we never bump upstream versions Jun 24 16:03:04 06:22 #oe: < hrw> Zero_Chaos: please check patches which we apply - probably someone forgot to bump SONAME Jun 24 16:03:48 libpcap 0.9.6 stages and installs as libpcap 0.9.5 and it is not an upstream problem Jun 24 16:04:17 ah, you mean LEAD_SONAME Jun 24 16:05:38 ah, I see what you mean Jun 24 16:05:47 +# some defines for shared library compilation - FIXME, if not matching Jun 24 16:05:48 +MAJ=0.9 Jun 24 16:05:48 +MIN=6 Jun 24 16:06:04 it is an upstream problem for having sucky makefiles :) Jun 24 16:06:07 * koen fixes Jun 24 16:07:06 hi Jun 24 16:07:09 koen: thanks, be sure to bump the rev too please. Jun 24 16:07:37 that way it rebuilds Jun 24 16:07:41 I just added a kernel to my OE tree, and when I try to build an image using that kernel, it tries to build glibc-intermediate 2.3.2, and I don't know why Jun 24 16:08:01 preferred_version of glibc intermediate is 2.5 in my distro Jun 24 16:24:49 root@h6563:/var/lib/amavis >ls -l1 virusmails/|wc -l Jun 24 16:24:49 47229 Jun 24 16:24:58 * CoreDump|afk cries Jun 24 16:25:14 LoL, can you put a forward on that? :-) Jun 24 16:25:45 =) Jun 24 16:26:32 root@h6563:/var/lib/amavis >du -sh virusmails/ Jun 24 16:26:32 298M virusmails/ Jun 24 16:29:13 You've made some freinds, I see, Mr. CoreDump|afk !! :p :D Jun 24 16:29:27 yep Jun 24 16:29:33 s/freinds/friends/ Jun 24 16:30:49 hey zecke Jun 24 16:48:01 after did bitbake angstrom-x11-image, where the image is located ? Jun 24 16:48:53 is anyone else having issues building sysvinit for collie? Jun 24 16:52:40 I don't think that there are many people building angstrom for collie.. Jun 24 16:53:00 CoreDump: yeah... bummer Jun 24 16:53:16 I can't for the life of me get sysvinit to build, and I don't know why Jun 24 16:54:54 Sounds like you don't treasure your life :) Jun 24 16:55:15 summatusmentis: what's the problem? Jun 24 16:56:00 it's not building "wall", and therefore can't move "wall" to a new location Jun 24 16:56:31 www.rafb.net/p/NzRlKv14.html == run.do_compile Jun 24 16:56:42 http://rafb.net/p/Fd6Jvn23.html == log.do_compile Jun 24 16:57:37 and where's the error? Jun 24 16:57:49 ah Jun 24 16:57:56 at do_install? Jun 24 16:58:30 yeah, hold on, I'm pastebin'ing output Jun 24 16:58:55 also, I'm having the same discussion in #angstrom :-P Jun 24 16:59:15 :) Jun 24 17:07:21 XorA|gone, you around? Jun 24 17:08:22 XorA|gone, I just noticed two little things about the rt73-k2wrlz package: A there should be a depmod after install and B it does not create an rausb0 entry in /etc/network/interfaces Jun 24 17:09:35 ucordes_: 'inherit module' add the depmod to postinst Jun 24 17:10:27 koen, so that is usually not put inside the module's packages? Jun 24 17:10:48 it's done by the bbclass Jun 24 17:10:53 see classes/module.bbclass Jun 24 17:11:01 ok Jun 24 17:53:13 OMFG Jun 24 17:53:20 mc finally works Jun 24 17:53:35 Shh, you'll wake the dead Jun 24 17:54:37 did it not before? Jun 24 17:55:10 not really, Jun 24 17:55:59 I wish someone would unb0rk the scap server Jun 24 17:56:05 It worked for me, not that I used it a lot. It has problems with unicode though. I think it should be linked against slang to work properly with unicode Jun 24 17:56:11 heh Jun 24 18:01:25 still no sub-shell support :\ Jun 24 18:01:59 ah. I only used it for moving some files around. Jun 24 18:18:18 can OE be setup for OS X? Jun 24 18:19:02 I'm getting a patch failure for uboot-mokoversion.patch. Details here http://pastebin.ca/587578 Jun 24 18:19:30 you mean OS X as a build system? Jun 24 18:19:58 polyonymous: no, I want to run OS X on my Z :-) yeah, as the host system for OE Jun 24 18:20:21 :))) I think yes. Not that I know much about OSX at all Jun 24 18:20:53 it's just Unix, so I don't see too much of a problem... Jun 24 18:21:05 I guess some of the tools would need to be source compiled though Jun 24 18:22:41 summatusmentis, they're, anyway, that's what *-native is for. Jun 24 18:23:09 *-native? what's that? a branch? Jun 24 18:24:15 nah, tons of oe bbs. Jun 24 18:24:25 that build native tools into staging Jun 24 18:24:53 which allows for easy installation of the tools required for OE? Jun 24 18:26:04 which allows for doing without. Jun 24 18:26:14 at expense of build time and space, of course. Jun 24 18:28:06 I see Jun 24 18:34:13 Cool, thanks polyonymous Jun 24 18:34:26 you're welcome Jun 24 18:50:33 djay-il: check how linux.inc edit the defconfig file of the kernel and integrate that into your kernel recipe Jun 24 18:50:50 damn Jun 24 18:50:56 ~lart irssi scrollback Jun 24 18:50:57 * ibot beats irssi scrollback over the head with a microkernel Jun 24 18:51:00 ~hail timestamps Jun 24 18:52:15 * mwester waits for the bot... Jun 24 18:52:23 * ibot bows down to timestamps and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Jun 24 18:52:54 * mwester nods, and marks down ibot for 1 demerit for poor responsiveness. Jun 24 18:53:11 * chouimat|away is bored Jun 24 18:53:46 * summatusmentis is needing a job, so he can get a new computer Jun 24 18:56:29 summatusmentis: you're not alone ;) Jun 24 18:56:38 lol Jun 24 18:57:08 all this gentoo-ing and OE-ing is pushing my current one way past it's limit Jun 24 18:57:18 fans are running full tilt 24 hours a day Jun 24 18:57:53 so install debian and save a lot of money :) Jun 24 18:58:11 I came from debian, newer packages w/ gentoo Jun 24 18:58:24 * chouimat|away kicks koen for proposing the Evil Distro Jun 24 18:58:27 unless you go unstable, which I'd rather not Jun 24 19:00:53 * mwester prefers Fedora Jun 24 19:01:06 that's just blasphemy :-P Jun 24 19:02:04 summatusmentis: at least he doesn't use xandros :) Jun 24 19:02:13 lol, true Jun 24 19:03:49 the virgin mary endorses xandros! Jun 24 19:03:56 * mwester hurumphs loudly. Jun 24 19:04:52 with as many -native things as OE currently builds, it's darn close to its own distro anyway. Jun 24 19:05:05 koen hehe ... don't remember me the fact I worked with a crazy guy and at xandros :) Jun 24 19:05:19 * mwester is waiting for somebody to build a -native recipe for bash Jun 24 20:14:48 hi Jun 24 20:15:08 when I create an image, why does it try to build glibc 2.3.2? Jun 24 20:15:42 it's strange, when I build all the packages seperately, it doesn;t Jun 24 20:37:39 Good night Jun 24 20:40:02 * olegfink is back Jun 24 20:43:26 morning Jun 24 20:43:41 hey hrw Jun 24 20:44:15 hi koen , hrw Jun 24 20:44:23 poky r1991 seems to need a sync with .dev :) Jun 24 20:44:30 seems you guys have been busy... 388 revs to pull Jun 24 20:45:21 koen: can you remind me what is r1991? Jun 24 20:45:29 my homefs is fscking now Jun 24 20:45:48 "make xvideo-tests depends on virtual/libx11, not libx11 ! Jun 24 20:45:48 because libx11 breaks the build by removing Xlib.h from stagging. Jun 24 20:45:49 whereas virtual/libx11 resolves to dietxlib that is okay." Jun 24 20:46:43 xvideo-tests are added by Dodji - he is learning about writing recipes Jun 24 20:46:49 koen: but thx for noticing Jun 24 20:46:57 his change is correct Jun 24 20:47:09 but the libx11 in poky is still doing the rm Jun 24 20:47:47 koen: sir, please fix udev. Thanks z. Jun 24 20:47:56 checking ext3 on crypted lvm takes eons... Jun 24 20:48:13 zecke: I won'y touch udev even with a 10 ft pole Jun 24 20:48:30 zecke: what is with udev? Jun 24 20:48:35 udev us evil Jun 24 20:48:44 * hrw will touch udev soon with prism-firmware commits Jun 24 20:48:48 It takes 3-4 seconds of my 22 second boot Jun 24 20:48:59 Philippe: use mdev from busybox then Jun 24 20:49:26 hrw: had not heard oof that before... Jun 24 20:49:36 people suggested going back to static /dev Jun 24 20:50:32 * Philippe sees upstart in OE Jun 24 20:51:05 Nice :-) Now that I found out how it works and to write scripts I might try to figure out how to boot things faster Jun 24 20:51:24 * zecke mumbles something about this poor pig... Jun 24 20:51:41 zecke: which pig? Jun 24 20:51:51 Philippe: but mdev is much simpler then udev so beware Jun 24 20:51:52 Philippe: read koen's blog Jun 24 20:52:16 * hrw will be back in 20-30m Jun 24 20:52:33 zecke: ha those :-) Jun 24 20:53:04 zecke: it was your idea :) Jun 24 20:53:27 mine? Jun 24 20:53:34 zecke: don't worry. Koen will give then good beer. :-) Jun 24 20:53:40 you said "get a pet" Jun 24 20:53:50 lol Jun 24 20:53:54 s/then/them/ Jun 24 20:56:35 I hear they're also considered tasty by some, should koen tire of incessant noise they make all night long... Jun 24 20:57:24 * mwester had a pair, they ended up in the basement rec room because of the smell and noise. Jun 24 20:58:33 * Philippe wonders if that would work with his girlfriend... there is still some room in the basement :-) Jun 24 21:01:30 mwester: http://www.alobbs.com/photolog/p1020028 Jun 24 21:02:04 Philippe: !!! Jun 24 21:02:51 mwester: luckiley I am not serious about that and like my girlfriend a lot. Jun 24 21:03:15 :) Jun 24 21:03:36 she is just a bit annoying when she doesn't let me hack Jun 24 21:04:02 * CoreDump noticed that his cards firmware is updated even if its firmware is already able to handle WPA on it own Jun 24 21:04:45 Bad news: after 20 years of marriage, hacking is still *second place* to drudgery such as gardening with the wife. Jun 24 21:04:49 GPS rocks: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/614379261/ Jun 24 21:05:02 * mwester is happy that the weather is bad today, so he gets to play a bit. Jun 24 21:06:13 koen: seems you have been burning fuel in Germany :-) Jun 24 21:06:30 yeah Jun 24 21:06:49 I'm imagining the day when every vehicle will be so equipped, and the police will be able to download such a chart and issue speeding tickets based on the chart alone. Jun 24 21:07:07 I got something like 17 kilometers per liter out of it Jun 24 21:07:20 ~lart mwester for giving the governement bad ideas Jun 24 21:07:20 * ibot --purges mwester for giving the governement bad ideas Jun 24 21:09:09 heh - they already had the idea. Somewhere in the USA, there was a proposal to issue a traffic ticket automatically when one arrived at a toll booth, if the elapsed time from the previous toll booth was too short. Jun 24 21:09:20 +/- 6 liters / 100 km... not bad. My car "drinks" more at normal speeds... Jun 24 21:09:57 if you use cruisecontrol and go 120km/h you get more than 20km/l Jun 24 21:10:23 ~convert mpg to kml Jun 24 21:10:55 ~convert mp/g to km/l Jun 24 21:11:18 That's a bit much for the bot, it seems. Jun 24 21:11:41 mwester: I heard google should be able to do that Jun 24 21:11:52 it even asks about US or UK gallons Jun 24 21:12:18 mwester: http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=20+kilometers%2Fliter+in+miles%2Fgallon&btnG=Zoeken&meta= Jun 24 21:12:38 cool. uclibc build completed Jun 24 21:12:57 Yep. My last trip from Minneaolis to Chicago worked out to about 13 l / 100 km. Jun 24 21:13:09 awesome :) Jun 24 21:13:14 ljp: awesome Jun 24 21:13:47 mwester: pfff... that's a lot... I find that my car consumes to much with about 7-7,5 l/ 100 km Jun 24 21:14:14 hi Jun 24 21:14:23 Yeah, it's a gas guzzler. I need to find the $$$ to buy a newer car. Jun 24 21:14:48 mwester: the smallest car the rental agency had in miami: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Monte_Carlo#2000-2005 Jun 24 21:14:55 that one was loads of fun Jun 24 21:15:17 too bad you may only do 60mph most of the time Jun 24 21:20:19 new Mustangs are loads of fun Jun 24 21:21:03 I bet Jun 24 21:21:28 * Philippe would like one of the new Land Rover Defenders but as it does not fit my usage pattern I will probably not get one when I get a new car Jun 24 21:22:37 the new 95? Jun 24 21:24:11 koen: no a 110, but with the new engines Jun 24 21:24:31 more torque and better fuel consumption Jun 24 21:24:55 Might be handy here in winter when there is a lot of snow :- Jun 24 21:25:39 wow apple stole the opie todo-list "strike through" to complete/delete idea, a couple of "itsy"-features. A bunch of bastards :} Jun 24 21:26:00 hmmm. bunches of Alignment traps Jun 24 21:26:13 ljp: Opie works (according to woglinde) Jun 24 21:26:26 this is bootup Jun 24 21:26:48 hey! a prompt! Jun 24 21:31:00 night Jun 24 21:32:52 night zecke Jun 24 21:33:34 /nick hrw Jun 24 21:33:39 re Jun 24 21:34:28 ~curse ewi for disconnecting Jun 24 21:34:28 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, ewi for disconnecting ! Jun 24 21:36:00 I'm afraid that would do ewi no good :) Jun 24 21:38:07 maybe Jun 24 21:49:32 n8 all too Jun 24 22:00:00 * * OE Bug 2556 has been created by marek.vasut(AT)gmail.com Jun 24 22:00:02 * * PalmLD: new machine file ( based on hx4700 which should be correct) Jun 24 22:00:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2556 Jun 24 22:00:12 * * OE Bug 2557 has been created by marek.vasut(AT)gmail.com Jun 24 22:00:14 * * PalmLD: new kernel defconfig Jun 24 22:00:16 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2557 Jun 24 22:25:10 I missed this rpath thing, do we strip it out of everywhere now or what? Jun 24 22:26:15 In particular, I'm looking at pidgin now which has libraries in /usr/lib/purple-2/ and can't load them, I take it, due to the lack of rpath Jun 24 22:27:27 I'm in need of a little help. Does anyone know a good .bb or a part of the manual to reference if I want to learn about staging? (and please don't say glibc) Jun 24 22:28:02 what exactly do you want to learn about staging? Normally, I'm grepping tree for examples :) Jun 24 22:28:41 maybe autotools class is of interest for you, it has some staging code. Jun 24 22:29:20 polyonymous: I need to install the development stuff from imagemagick into the staging directory, and most of the classes are above my head, as is glibc. Jun 24 22:29:50 polyonymous: I was going to root through the manual, but I was hoping for a bit of guidance (like a good clean .bb) Jun 24 22:30:06 Zero_Chaos, imagemagick may be a tricky one, iirc it has a binary Magick-config or something like that... Jun 24 22:31:05 it may be a shell-script, though, therefore easy to put a proper one on the build machine. Jun 24 22:31:21 And I dunno of any clean .bbs. Jun 24 22:31:30 The most clean ones have autotools_stage_all :) Jun 24 22:31:35 polyonymous: there is exactly one bug that I am pretty sure I can't fix, but I can make it good enough to be of use to me. Jun 24 22:32:04 make a bug good enough to be of use? :) Jun 24 22:33:15 polyonymous: I can make imagemagick stage acceptably, as long as ./configure is patched or doesn't use Magick-config --prefix Jun 24 22:33:34 polyonymous: but I have no clue how to fix Magick-config --prefix Jun 24 22:33:59 Well, the basic idea about staging is that you put stuff into proper directories, what else do you want to know? Jun 24 22:34:44 polyonymous: I saw some interesting commands in libpcap when it was staging and when I just copy stuff it gives a QA error, so I presume I need to understand those magic commands Jun 24 22:35:27 very likely. But it depends on the package. Maybe autotools_stage_all would do, I don't know, need to look inside imagemagick Jun 24 22:35:50 polyonymous: I wouldn't know what to look for :-) Jun 24 22:36:39 well, there's no universal recipe. As long as you refuse to think highly of yourself and dive into autotools class and imagemagick code you're not going to accomplish it, I'm afraid. Jun 24 22:37:48 polyonymous: I think too highly of myself as we both know. And I can make it work without help. But working or not, no one will commit it unless it is perfect (and then I find a lot of patience), so I'm trying to be proactive and ask how I *should* be doing it Jun 24 22:39:13 Well, I don't know a definitive answer... Jun 24 22:39:37 that's fine, I will just make it work and after a few weeks of being yelled at because it's wrong I'm sure it will get better. Jun 24 22:39:55 I need it to work for me at this point much more than I give a rat's ass about everyone else ;-) Jun 24 22:41:18 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jtarrio/571982809/ :-) Jun 24 22:45:33 hi, I'm trying to build perl but I keep getting "you haven't run make depend yet" Jun 24 22:45:59 I read in the FAQ that this is caused by not having /bin/sh be /bin/bash Jun 24 22:46:16 but that's for native Jun 24 22:46:40 but this is occurring when building for the target arch :( Jun 24 22:47:54 is there any reason this would be occurring for the non-native perl build? Jun 25 01:15:01 * * OE Bug 2558 has been created by lukas.gorris(AT)gmx.de Jun 25 01:15:03 * * fluxbox does not start in angstrom Jun 25 01:15:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2558 Jun 25 02:06:02 I need to see a .bb from a few months ago, is there an easy way to do this? Jun 25 02:06:14 it has been dropped from monotone Jun 25 02:27:24 How does one say, "I want to run autoreconf before configure"? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jun 25 02:59:56 2007