**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 09 02:59:59 2007 Jul 09 06:46:51 good morning Jul 09 07:16:00 * * OE Bug 2620 has been created by metalgearsnorkel(AT)gmail.com Jul 09 07:16:02 * * No SD card device on Jul3 Angstrom, c750 Jul 09 07:16:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2620 Jul 09 07:23:00 * * OE Bug 2621 has been created by metalgearsnorkel(AT)gmail.com Jul 09 07:23:02 * * Clicking noises shortly after audio is played Jul 09 07:23:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2621 Jul 09 07:31:02 * * OE Bug 2563 has been RESOLVED (WORKSFORME) by xjqian(AT)gmail.com Jul 09 07:31:04 * *  GPE pointer does not accurately track stylus on Zaurus SL-6000 Jul 09 07:31:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2563 Jul 09 07:31:29 2563? sounds like someone hasn't calibrated accurately. Jul 09 07:34:11 recent images (tosa included) don't need initial calibration, thanks to pointercal Jul 09 07:57:21 morning Jul 09 08:13:15 XorA: is liam near you? Jul 09 08:13:26 koen|inverness: no, he doesnt get into work until 10am Jul 09 08:13:38 lazy bastard Jul 09 08:14:08 yup, what do you need to kick him for? Jul 09 08:14:14 XorA: if you do see him, could you tell him to call before 1 am? after that I'll be out of gsm coverage Jul 09 08:14:27 1am??? Jul 09 08:14:28 (if this is the monday he alluded to) Jul 09 08:14:33 ehm Jul 09 08:14:36 13.00 Jul 09 08:14:39 that's pm Jul 09 08:15:13 * XorA has no idea about mondays Jul 09 08:15:47 * koen|inverness neither Jul 09 08:17:14 koen|inverness: I managed to build the sound and light resue copter with only a couple of missing bits Jul 09 08:17:28 nice Jul 09 08:17:42 * XorA will have to trawl brick link tongiht Jul 09 08:17:50 I should rebuild the lego copter I bought in guernsey Jul 09 08:18:04 since that seems to be a UK only lego set Jul 09 08:18:16 heh heh Jul 09 08:18:33 you guys at the moment are getting the full set of skeletal warriors dont complain too much Jul 09 08:19:43 * koen|inverness looks outside Jul 09 08:19:54 something is wrong, I see blue sky Jul 09 08:19:55 its actually sunny down here Jul 09 08:20:02 how bizarre Jul 09 08:21:47 oh dear Jul 09 08:21:54 2.6.22 has yet another wifi stack Jul 09 08:22:26 heh heh, what this time? Jul 09 08:22:38 and one day we might actually get ASoC in there Jul 09 08:22:49 "Another feature of this stack is a completely new user interface. The old stacks have an ugly ioctl-based interface which were standarized under the name of "wireless extensions" (wext). The new interface uses a netlink-based interface, suited for the needs of desktop-based configuration interfaces, but retaining at the same time userspace compatibility with the old interface." Jul 09 08:23:42 it it combinds hostap, wlan-ng, atmel, ralink into a nice consitant interface then woohoo Jul 09 08:24:54 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=14340586148e7c88d7b1b752876f5b5227b200b9 Jul 09 08:25:17 looks like I can keep busy at guadec with at91 and at32 support in OE :) Jul 09 08:26:56 heh heh Jul 09 08:28:53 * koen|inverness heads into town while it's still sunny Jul 09 09:01:00 * * OE Bug 2622 has been created by gonzague.reydet(AT)cea.fr Jul 09 09:01:02 * * perl-native-5.8.3-r0: task do_compile failed Jul 09 09:01:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2622 Jul 09 09:01:40 morning Jul 09 09:20:18 hey hrw Jul 09 09:30:37 hrw: you know any audio players (hopefully in oe) that remeber exact position when stopped/quit and can restart from that exact point? Jul 09 09:31:19 morning all Jul 09 09:31:31 yo do13 Jul 09 09:31:38 hi XorA Jul 09 09:32:03 no Jul 09 09:32:25 hi Marcin Jul 09 09:33:25 hi dirk Jul 09 10:04:58 so how are the piranhas on #openmoko today then :-D Jul 09 10:06:18 ;) Jul 09 10:19:22 WTF zodttd was here Jul 09 10:23:59 * koen|inverness returns with a few kilos worth of books Jul 09 10:25:01 nice Jul 09 10:25:26 yo koen|inverness decent books? Jul 09 10:25:39 yes Jul 09 10:25:45 ian rankin and stuff Jul 09 10:26:07 * koen|inverness is finally on holiday in a country with decent english books Jul 09 10:26:12 koen|inverness: we can take you to the places in Trainspotting :-) Jul 09 10:27:11 liam said you'll pick a place with good beer(s) for sunday :) Jul 09 10:27:54 * XorA hmms, get few and far between in Edin these days Jul 09 10:28:09 best beers are served in a gay bar :-) Jul 09 10:28:53 ian rankin? Jul 09 10:29:07 hrw: Edinburgh based cop novels Jul 09 10:29:13 XorA: I have 3 of them Jul 09 10:29:14 hrw: Inspector Rebus, scottish detective Jul 09 10:29:24 funny sense of humour Jul 09 10:29:50 hrw: ever seen Taggart :-) Jul 09 10:30:08 but moment - I have to check one thing Jul 09 10:31:24 ops. I have Robert Rankin books Jul 09 10:33:17 hrw: comedy fantasy? Jul 09 10:33:52 yes Jul 09 10:34:15 good books to turn half of brain off and have a good laugh Jul 09 10:35:19 one bookseller suggested me them after we discussed about Douglas Adams books Jul 09 10:36:43 Never thought of turning half a brain off as a purpose of reading :) Jul 09 10:40:20 polyonymous: wanted to say that those are easy to read books Jul 09 10:40:26 no need to think too much Jul 09 10:41:16 hrw, I know. Well, I still stand by my point, I read books for the opposite purpose, but I do not expect everyone else do the same, of course. Jul 09 10:43:05 anyway during guadec I will probably also visit some book shops to get few books to read Jul 09 10:44:01 and when reading books I love turning half a body off, so I prefer ebooks, since turning pages is much easier this way :)) Jul 09 10:44:04 ~praise opie-reader Jul 09 10:44:13 All hail opie-reader! Jul 09 10:44:22 Anyway, I gotta run off, seeya all Jul 09 10:59:44 Moin Jul 09 10:59:58 hi henryk Jul 09 11:06:05 anyone from the java for openmoko effort here? Jul 09 11:12:02 hm Jul 09 11:12:18 I think midpath with cacao will be the stuff Jul 09 11:12:25 phoneme needs to much work Jul 09 11:12:32 but I am not in the team Jul 09 11:12:42 re Jul 09 11:12:59 hi hinled Jul 09 11:13:03 hups jineld Jul 09 11:13:07 =) Jul 09 11:13:11 hey Jul 09 11:13:12 I just compiled phoneme and seems to work fine (on the fb, which is good enough for me). i just don't have any input via touchscreen Jul 09 11:13:34 henryk???? it only works sane with qt Jul 09 11:13:49 or I must missed a code offensive from the project Jul 09 11:14:49 hmm, yes, it needs qte in the compile step Jul 09 11:15:20 yeah but moko is gtk based so it dont make much sense Jul 09 11:15:25 to use qt Jul 09 11:15:49 you know this thread? http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=21591&tstart=0 Jul 09 11:16:10 apparently that's not a problem the needed binary directory is only 3.7 MB in size. no external libraries needed Jul 09 11:16:39 oh, and I only need CLDC Jul 09 11:17:14 hm when I will phoneme-Advance Jul 09 11:18:40 Yes, I saw that the main effort is focused on phoneme advanced, and that seems to be problematic indeed. I only want to run an already existing CLDC application, so phoneme feature is fine with me Jul 09 11:19:01 hehe I want midp for games Jul 09 11:19:16 got some games running at x86 tests Jul 09 11:24:49 henryk hm -> http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=28284&tstart=0 Jul 09 11:25:46 ah Jul 09 11:25:52 http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=26341&tstart=0 Jul 09 11:27:30 hi cliff Jul 09 11:27:43 hrw: Hello Marcin -- how are things? Jul 09 11:27:44 hi hrw Jul 09 11:27:48 woglinde: yes, a lot of people seem to be interested in advanced Jul 09 11:28:09 hanryk I strated it too Jul 09 11:28:15 but didnt have time to finish Jul 09 11:28:22 basic worked Jul 09 11:28:26 but not well Jul 09 11:28:50 cbrake: quite good. need to restore my laptop to build some stuff for guadec and do some papers Jul 09 11:29:25 cbrake: how goes mono work? my friend asked me recently about it Jul 09 11:29:30 hrw: great! Jul 09 11:29:43 hrw: I'm still working on it. Jul 09 11:29:44 it will be busy week Jul 09 11:30:09 hrw: mostly just trying to get familiar with how mono is put together right now, so I can ask intelligent questions. Jul 09 11:30:26 hrw: it is pretty scary when you look at the amount of CPU dependent code! Jul 09 11:32:17 hrw: a lot of mapping CIL byte codes to processor features, etc. Jul 09 11:32:36 hrw: I'm wondering if there is something broke with EABI and mono Jul 09 11:33:03 hrw: it seems to run fine on a n770, so I'm using that as a comparison. Jul 09 11:38:41 n770 and its broken way to go eabi.. Jul 09 11:47:24 hrw: on the books front, my friends who like robert rankin also like Terry Pratchet Jul 09 11:49:11 XorA: and I like him too Jul 09 11:49:30 hrw: cool, I cant stand those books personally :-) Jul 09 11:49:33 ;D Jul 09 11:49:42 but not as bad as Raymond E Feist Jul 09 11:55:12 reminds me, must hunt for rest of Conan and Red Sonja series Jul 09 12:26:10 psokolovsky: BTW whats the chances of having opie in OE that can run on qte/fb and qte/x11 depending on users wishes? Jul 09 12:28:25 XorA: my interest is that there was an elaborated GUI framework for low-end devices in OE. In other words, I'm personally not really interested in OPIE-on-X. Of course, folks who find that interesting are welcome to work on that, that should be more than possible. Jul 09 12:28:54 psokolovsky: cool, I was just wondering as some people like opie, but want to run gnumeric and abiword Jul 09 12:29:01 psokolovsky: and Xqt is a nasty bit of code Jul 09 12:29:46 XorA: yes, so there're options to run X in OPIE, or OPIE in X, there're lots of choices ;-) Jul 09 12:30:09 psokolovsky: just please dont ask me to work on Xqt again :-) Jul 09 12:30:24 XorA: but you will work on xqt2? Jul 09 12:30:40 ;D Jul 09 12:30:42 hrw: only if its saner :-) Jul 09 12:31:09 XorA: me - nope, I'm just glad it's there, so if people really need it, they can use it ;-). (I myself yet need to look how good/bad it is ;-) ) Jul 09 12:31:34 XorA: another abstract option for running X under opie would be kdrive/sdl I guess Jul 09 12:32:03 psokolovsky: actually Xqt wasnt that bad, it just assumed a lot of stuff about hardware that it should have asked Qt about Jul 09 12:32:15 psokolovsky: I had it up and running within half a day or so Jul 09 12:32:35 XorA: kdrive/sdl? Jul 09 12:32:37 psokolovsky: but I fell over the problem where Qte was compiled without unicode codecs Jul 09 12:32:46 psokolovsky: Xqt Jul 09 12:32:51 ah, ok Jul 09 12:33:25 as I told, I'm still naive about it, mostly working on brushing opie core and default image ;-) Jul 09 12:33:35 stuff like assuming that 640x480 was rotated framebuffer on c7x0 which is not true on kernel 2.6 Jul 09 12:35:08 hm, yeah, that bad Jul 09 12:35:42 I'm tired of dealing with such assumptions, and generally with inconsistent device feature configuration... Jul 09 12:36:29 The only thing that stuff can assume is that all devices are different, which entails there should be consistent way to do configuration, not like in zillion places Jul 09 12:42:07 oh ah Jul 09 12:42:59 * eekee is hoping his spitz has adequate performance with python/tk, just wants to roll his own calendar & stuff Jul 09 12:43:11 in Tk? Jul 09 12:43:26 I was thinking that Tk died already as gui toolkit Jul 09 12:44:08 nah, it's just beneath Real Programmers Jul 09 12:44:31 it's easy, you see, and it does have performance disadvantages, relying as it does on Tcl Jul 09 12:45:19 It does rather lack theming though, that I don't like Jul 09 12:46:05 eekee: you really should have a peek at python/gtk instead ;-) Jul 09 12:47:12 peek? first real gui programming of any kind I did was with python-gtk, but gtk's been pissing me off lately. Mostly for small reasons but... Jul 09 12:47:33 ah, sorry then ;-) Jul 09 12:47:56 's ok :) Jul 09 12:51:42 Ah I remember, it started with the long load times of GPE apps on my collie, and wasn't helped by a memory leak in Gtk+2 on the desktop. Not very big reasons really, but I'm still a little wary of Gtk+2 on a slow machine. I suppose Tk might be just as slow or slower, really. I'll be amused if it's faster ^^; Jul 09 13:13:24 arg, Bob Roll is trying to speak Flemish Jul 09 13:14:39 XorA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEc8v1OWeE4&eurl= - something for you Jul 09 13:15:58 hrw: the phrase "Too much time" comes to mind Jul 09 13:16:13 XorA: sure, but it looks nice Jul 09 13:16:24 XorA: ~1:19 there is a man on segway Jul 09 13:20:36 morning Jul 09 13:23:02 hrw: awesome ^^; Jul 09 13:38:40 I meet a problem that init process hang up without any prompt after kernel started. any suggestion? is a bug for angstrom? Jul 09 13:39:01 or a bug for sysvinit? Jul 09 13:39:49 Readon: File it against the distro with all the information you can provide related to the hang, and the appropriate owners will take the bug.. probably wise to mention init in the one-line summary though Jul 09 13:40:28 Don't forget to post the distro version and machine details Jul 09 13:43:16 Readon, have you enabled EABI in your kernel config? Jul 09 13:45:00 no, is it a must? Jul 09 13:52:11 Readon: angstrom is EABI Jul 09 13:52:37 ok, i will try it first.:) Jul 09 13:54:34 Neo Base -- is the BL pretty stable in this thing? Jul 09 13:54:45 trying to decide between the Neo Base and the Neo Advanced ... Jul 09 13:55:24 cbrake: BL == bootloader? Jul 09 13:55:33 hrw: yes Jul 09 13:55:45 cbrake: I updated uboot using uboot many times on neos Jul 09 13:56:05 hrw: can you get to a console serial port without the debug board? Jul 09 13:56:15 no Jul 09 13:57:04 maybe if you will attach cable to debug connector and own electronics on second side then maybe Jul 09 13:57:11 but this is not granted probably Jul 09 13:57:41 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r9f8374be... 10/ (1 packages/libxosd/libxosd_svn.bb): libxosd: fix packaging (from Poky) Jul 09 13:57:45 you can get serial on u-boot without debug board Jul 09 13:58:51 but only on uboot Jul 09 13:58:52 XorA: ??? Jul 09 13:59:07 cbrake: you can get to uboot console, but not linux console Jul 09 13:59:08 when you boot kernel you are kicked Jul 09 13:59:31 XorA: ohh Jul 09 14:11:33 does it really need to build kernel in the distro images? it takes about 1m spaces. Jul 09 14:16:08 hi all Jul 09 14:17:12 Readon: build kernel != installed in distro image Jul 09 14:17:27 Readon: and it is up to the machine/distro to install or not install a kernel on rootfs creation Jul 09 14:18:19 but angstrom embedded kernel in the image, where are they setting that? Jul 09 14:33:30 does anyone have problems with the ml ? I have send a mail to list in the morning has not showed up yet... Jul 09 14:42:33 Good evening Jul 09 14:42:52 good afternoon Jul 09 14:44:14 hrw: About tosa graphics. Could you provide me with the sharp original libqte.so shipped with that machine? Jul 09 14:45:04 I do not have it. Could flash sharp back to tosa but lack time for it ;( Jul 09 14:45:26 sirfred: Ill take the tosa at wolfson home tonight and restore sharp rom on it Jul 09 14:45:39 XorA: That would be nice. Thanks. Jul 09 14:46:06 I was looking for information but found hardly nothing. Only some code to perform limited blitting Jul 09 14:46:35 And I suspect the windows dll people are talking about, don't provide any graphic acceleration. Jul 09 14:47:13 I've also read that the libqte seems to have some methods related with the TC6393XB, so perhaps we have a source of information there Jul 09 14:47:17 sirfred: going to guadec? Jul 09 14:47:27 XorA: nope Jul 09 14:47:46 XorA: You going? Jul 09 14:47:58 sirfred: yeah Jul 09 14:48:18 Somethimes I feel like being more involved in these kind of events. Perhaps my bad english is the worse barrier Jul 09 14:48:46 XorA: Do you work in something related with embedded linux, btw? Jul 09 14:48:54 sirfred: wolfson micro Jul 09 14:49:10 hrw: wanted to let you know I did a new build with angstrom-2007.1 and tried building glib-2.0 and it failed looking for libiconv.so.2 Jul 09 14:49:40 XorA: Interesting. I have to leave now. cu Jul 09 14:51:27 god afternoon Jul 09 14:51:34 good ... Jul 09 14:52:53 just tried to build angstrom-e-image and package ewl failed Jul 09 14:53:06 First in a row of errors was: Jul 09 14:53:15 ERROR: QA Issue: non debug package contains .debug directory: ewl path /work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ewl-0.5.1.009-r0/install/ewl/usr/lib/ewl/tests/.debug/ewl_icon_theme.so Jul 09 14:53:44 Is this a bug or is there something wrong in my setup ? Jul 09 14:53:47 Christopher: really strange Jul 09 14:54:09 Elive_user80: probably a bug in the packaging of ewl Jul 09 14:54:26 hrw: | /oe/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gcc-cross-initial-4.1.2-r4/gcc-4.1.2/build.i686-linux.arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/./gcc/xgcc: error while loading shared libraries: libiconv.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jul 09 14:54:26 | make[2]: *** [specs] Error 127 Jul 09 15:02:11 zecke: so the QA issue would be the existence of a .debug directory here ? Jul 09 15:03:22 Elive_user80: yes, existance in the main package Jul 09 15:03:53 Elive_user80: FILES_${PN}-dbg should contain ${libdir}/test/.debug/* or such Jul 09 15:04:56 zecke: where is : FILES_${PN}-dbg defined so I can check it ? Jul 09 15:05:52 Elive_user80: there is some file ending with .bb for ewl (e.g. ewl*.bb) Jul 09 15:06:19 Elive_user80: and then there is a FILES entry, and if not there is a default one in conf/bitbake.conf Jul 09 15:07:12 zecke: it was /packages/efl1/ewl_0.5.1.009.bb that failed Jul 09 15:07:22 Elive_user80: open that file then Jul 09 15:07:37 Elive_user80: check if it contains a FILES_${PN}-dbg = entry Jul 09 15:09:19 Elive_user80: if not take a look at conf/bitbake.conf and add (+=) ${libdir}/ewl/.debug to it Jul 09 15:09:20 zecke: have opened it, there is nothing like that, but it inherits efl1, so maybee there .. Jul 09 15:09:43 Elive_user80: take a look at an efl1.bbclass it would be in classes/ Jul 09 15:10:01 zecke:o.k., looking .. Jul 09 15:11:44 zecke: FILES_${PN}-dev += "${bindir}/${PN}-config ${libdir}/pkgconfig/* ${libdir}/lib*.?a ${libdir}/lib*.a" Jul 09 15:12:47 Elive_user80: that ain't -dbg :) Jul 09 15:13:12 zecke: you are right Jul 09 15:13:33 zecke: so where would be the best place to add ${libdir}/ewl/.debug ? Jul 09 15:13:54 Elive_user80: in ewl_0.5.1.009.bb or is there an ewl.inc? Jul 09 15:14:10 zecke: let me see .. Jul 09 15:14:52 zecke: not that I see Jul 09 15:15:34 zecke: ewl_0.5.1.009.bb only includes efl1 Jul 09 15:15:47 zecke: ähem inherits Jul 09 15:15:48 then to ewl_....bb Jul 09 15:16:33 o.k. b.t.w., how does this QA stuff work ? Jul 09 15:17:05 Elive_user80: there is a classes/insanity.bbclass Jul 09 15:17:20 Elive_user80: which gets loaded by INHERIT += "insanity" into every .bb file Jul 09 15:17:31 zecke: rumours have it that its by you .. Jul 09 15:17:39 Elive_user80: it hooks into some tasks (configure, packaging, staging) Jul 09 15:17:58 Elive_user80: and then checks common, known issues Jul 09 15:18:46 zecke: thanks for your help and the explanation! Jul 09 15:18:51 by Software Engineering definitions: It is incomplete and unsound :) Jul 09 15:19:55 zecke. I could imagine that its incomplete, but why should it be unsound ? Jul 09 15:20:38 Elive_user80: e.g. the test for files ending .so or architecture checks can fail Jul 09 15:21:12 zecke: fail w/o actually something being wrong ? Jul 09 15:21:13 Elive_user80: e.g. binutils could have test files for other architectures which gets installed, it would complain about wrong arch Jul 09 15:21:54 Elive_user80: or generally .so is for -dev packages, expect they are used as plugins (e.g. on abiword, gtk+, kde). It needed a heuristic to disable it Jul 09 15:23:28 zecke: o.k., when I have the next QA issue I know, who could be asked ;-) Jul 09 15:24:05 bye Jul 09 15:39:07 Elive_user80: send a patch :) Jul 09 15:45:09 zecke: sent Jul 09 15:46:00 * * OE Bug 2623 has been created by jstoefer(AT)schuett-elektronik.de Jul 09 15:46:01 * * QA Issue prevents ewl_0.5.1.009.bb from building Jul 09 15:46:03 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2623 Jul 09 15:46:43 awesome :) Jul 09 15:47:24 Elive_user80: please attach your diff as well :) Jul 09 15:50:29 zecke: no, I just filed the bug, didnt make a diff yet Jul 09 15:51:01 please do so Jul 09 16:12:47 RP, I have a patch for the 2.6.22 kernel to enable standby mode for the PXA27x, is that something you would want to put on your patch site? Jul 09 16:13:32 RP, currently the only "valid" state for the PXA27x in the 2.6.22 kernel is "mem". Jul 09 16:23:35 zecke: added the patch Jul 09 16:25:02 Elive_user80: two things. We prefer unified diff, mtn diff is creating it the right way. And one normally puts quotes around assignments += "value" but you can leave the patch as such Jul 09 16:34:06 is there a compiler #define I can use to decide if I am compiling with EABI versus OABI? Jul 09 16:34:45 crofton good questioin Jul 09 16:34:57 of course it is :) Jul 09 16:36:34 Crofton: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort Jul 09 16:36:41 check ARM_EABI on the page Jul 09 16:37:21 well, I know how to tell GCC what to do Jul 09 16:37:36 but, I want to know how the code being compiled can tell what is going on Jul 09 16:37:37 Crofton: I can teach you to read, but this will take some time :) Jul 09 16:37:44 hm Jul 09 16:37:47 "Furthermore, as well as the usual __arm__ and maybe also __thumb__ symbols, the C preprocessor symbol __ARM_EABI__ is also defined when compiling into EABI." Jul 09 16:38:11 bother Jul 09 16:38:38 sometimes I miss the trees for the forest Jul 09 16:38:51 thanks Jul 09 16:39:09 trying to get u-boot to behave better when built with NAND and EABI Jul 09 16:39:20 mate you're welcome Jul 09 16:39:49 svolpe: If you mail it to me, I'll take a look Jul 09 16:40:03 svolpe_gerrath: See above Jul 09 16:40:13 RP, what address do you prefer I use? Jul 09 16:40:22 svolpe: rprudie@rpsys.net is fine Jul 09 16:40:34 hi rp :) Jul 09 16:40:49 hi all :) Jul 09 16:42:33 RP: how are you? did you find a house yet? Jul 09 16:42:42 RP, ok just sent it to you. Jul 09 16:44:33 zecke|work: Ok thanks, just busy before GUADEC. I'm away Wed-Fri with the bike to Cadwell so all prep needs to be done now :} Jul 09 16:44:50 zecke|work: no house yet, not really been looking too hard to be honest :/ Jul 09 16:45:02 hehe Jul 09 16:45:09 better than the opposite Jul 09 16:46:31 Anyon seen this before? "dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 4 --print-address 6 --session" This ends up in an error message: "Bad file descriptor" Jul 09 16:46:51 no suppport for AF_UNIX in your kernel? Jul 09 16:47:24 hi florian Jul 09 16:47:32 dmesg should tell Jul 09 16:47:42 zecke|work: good point... looks like someone broke linux-x86 in any possible way Jul 09 16:48:10 03slapin 07org.oe.dev * r74656ac1... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Palm Zire 72 machine update Jul 09 16:49:28 hrm... now the disk is full. Jul 09 16:49:45 ~lart the broken rm_work.bbclass Jul 09 16:49:46 * ibot beats the living hamstercrap out of the broken rm_work.bbclass Jul 09 16:50:02 florian: what is currently broken? Jul 09 16:51:09 zecke|work: I need to investigate, but iirc all my configs inherit rm_work but ~6GB of disk space used for each build indicates it does not work like expected. Jul 09 16:56:20 zecke|work: I can confirm this: I have "INHERIT += "rm_work"" in my configuration of the affected builds. Jul 09 16:57:42 florian: how big is tmp/work? Jul 09 16:58:15 zecke|work: iirc ~6GB, but i'll verify Jul 09 16:58:49 is there an extra flag for rm_work? Jul 09 17:00:18 zecke|work: no, just adding it to local.conf... Jul 09 17:00:34 hmm here it is in site.conf, but imho this shouldn't matter Jul 09 17:00:35 there isn't a extra flag... Jul 09 17:00:59 bitbake -D(DD) and check if it is loaded at all Jul 09 17:01:10 and it is so simply it shouldn't fail :} Jul 09 17:02:45 bother, building glibc seems to be taking down the build machine .... Jul 09 17:04:12 what devices altboot was designed to run on? Jul 09 17:06:30 Anybody here that can read japanese? Jul 09 17:07:43 darth the zaurii? Jul 09 17:08:26 dunno, i`m an ipaq owner and looking if i can use altboot on it Jul 09 17:11:49 sirfred, konbanwa ... watashi nihon wakarimasen :-T Jul 09 17:11:59 sirfred, I have real basics :T Jul 09 17:12:04 Marex: I assume that is a yes. :-) Jul 09 17:12:18 that is well ... nearly nothing :T Jul 09 17:12:19 Marex: I need a translation of a little part of a web page. Jul 09 17:12:24 Marex: :) Jul 09 17:12:30 sirfred, google translate is your friend :] Jul 09 17:12:48 Marex: Hmm, I tried babelfish, but the sense... well Jul 09 17:13:20 :T google translate seemed quite nice Jul 09 17:13:29 it even was making sense Jul 09 17:16:00 hi, all! Jul 09 17:16:36 if I update machine.conf, then should I bump PR on task-base? Jul 09 17:16:38 jo slapin Jul 09 17:16:50 re slapin Jul 09 17:17:00 so slapin Jul 09 17:17:13 slapin: no. I told you. koen told you. when to bump Jul 09 17:17:43 psokolovsky, I changed MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS. Jul 09 17:18:04 slapin: then bump. but not on every update at all Jul 09 17:18:16 psokolovsky, I know Jul 09 17:18:20 cool Jul 09 17:18:53 psokolovsky, I will re-design this bunch of .conf files anyway soon. I just starting :) Jul 09 17:19:37 slapin: please model on pocketpc ones Jul 09 17:20:18 psokolovsky, I know what you're speak about Jul 09 17:20:47 psokolovsky, that's planned for next 3 days. Jul 09 17:20:57 nice, thanks Jul 09 17:21:24 hi xora Jul 09 17:32:10 RP, my email to you got kicked back. Jul 09 17:42:48 svolpe: Sorry, rpurdie@rpsys.net Jul 09 17:42:53 hi everybody Jul 09 17:42:54 * RP hangs head in shame Jul 09 17:44:51 he koen :) Jul 09 17:47:43 hm Jul 09 17:53:38 03slapin 07org.oe.dev * r7b810283... 10/ (1 conf/machine/palmz72.conf): Fixed Palm Zire 72 battery autoload Jul 09 17:53:43 03slapin 07org.oe.dev * rca473f8f... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-hackndev-2.6_svn.bb): linux-hackndev-2.6: bump PR Jul 09 18:04:24 rp, ok sent it to you again :-) Jul 09 18:05:20 zecke: thanks for the info. Didn't know I could use mtn diff. Jul 09 18:18:53 hi, just got an '/stuff/org.openembedded.dev/packages/glibc/glibc-intermediate_2.3.2+cvs20040726.bb' failed - because my gcc is 'too old' ??? Jul 09 18:19:57 this is allready the o me what is the problem, please ?second or third time I encounter this kind of error. Could anybody explain t Jul 09 18:20:50 soryy for the garbage .. so, does anybody know what might e the reason ? Jul 09 18:20:51 * koen|inverness wonders why OE keeps trying to build glibc 2.3.2 for some people Jul 09 18:22:37 I am just trying to bitbake angstrom-e-image without any special add ons .. Jul 09 18:22:48 koen|inverness: happens for me with angstrom-e-image as well Jul 09 18:22:50 koen|inverness: you set um.. the nptl option? Coz 3.4 & later requires it on Linux Jul 09 18:23:05 Zero_Chaos: ah, angstrom-e-image Jul 09 18:23:10 --enable-ad-ons=nptl <-- required Jul 09 18:23:53 Zero_Chaos: angstrom-e-image is a broken piece of crap I removed because it was broken and un-angstrom-like, but justinp keeps claiming it works & is wonderfull & brings world peace Jul 09 18:24:19 oh ! Jul 09 18:24:31 koen|inverness: I would love it if it worked, but the fact is, no, it doesn't. Jul 09 18:26:01 so what about the NPTL option, can anybody verify it might be the reason for the failure ? Jul 09 18:27:22 I dunno how you enable it in OE Jul 09 18:27:51 Elive_user80: glibc-2.3.2 is in fact too old is the problem, it's nothing about nptl Jul 09 18:29:21 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rd22b71db... 10/ (1 packages/wireshark/wireshark_0.99.4.bb): wireshark: fix -dbg Jul 09 18:30:35 o.k., so just for the record, according in OE you enable NPTL with: PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}libc-for-gcc = glibc-intermediate Jul 09 18:30:48 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf76ffee7... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Jul 09 18:30:48 angstrom-e-image: move to non-working, since it is, well, non-working. The level Jul 09 18:30:48 of non-workingness is quite high, since e-wm is currently unbuildable due to Jul 09 18:30:48 ecore-native, and even if e-wm would build, its update-alternatives are wrong. Jul 09 18:30:48 So before this image can be moved back, all e packages have to get built, Jul 09 18:30:49 inspected, tested and if needed fixed. Jul 09 18:31:06 there Jul 09 18:31:29 if that isn't descriptive enough.... Jul 09 18:31:34 :) Jul 09 18:32:36 koen|inverness: Couldn't have been clearer. Jul 09 18:33:37 I'd fix e-wm, but I don't want to fix ecore-native Jul 09 18:33:38 can you get e17 to maximize every window? Or, like, similar behaviour appropriate for a small screen? Jul 09 18:34:33 e-wm needs a 6 button mouse and 104 key keyboard at the moment Jul 09 18:34:42 lol! Jul 09 18:35:02 (that's not quite true, but you get the point) Jul 09 18:35:27 sounds like ion3, except that just requires that your apps never require anything of the function keys, nor alt-anything, nor... hehe Jul 09 18:35:28 so if ecore-native doesn't build, efl would not be usable neither ? Jul 09 18:35:55 parts of efl build (e.g. evas), but not e-wm Jul 09 18:36:32 edje ? Beause I would like to use it in a project Jul 09 18:38:02 or maybee I just try to build it .. Jul 09 18:40:24 * koen|inverness can't grasp how he got sunburnt in scotland Jul 09 18:40:46 Elive_user80: it seems edje also depends on ecore-native Jul 09 18:40:57 * koen|inverness pokes mickey_away again about ecore-native Jul 09 18:41:05 hmm .. sad Jul 09 19:06:17 when I try to build ecore-native I get failed sanity checks like: ERROR: QA issue: libfreetype.la failed sanity test (reference to workdir or installed) Jul 09 19:06:33 that can be ignored Jul 09 19:07:00 fine. because apart from that, it builds ! Jul 09 19:07:21 you probably have evas headers on your host or an old build in staging Jul 09 19:08:46 thats probably true. I have evas headers on the host I guess. Jul 09 19:08:59 I don't :) Jul 09 19:14:30 since I want to use evas and dje, I wil now try to build an gpe-image and include those packages as RDEPENFS Jul 09 19:14:37 RDEPENDS Jul 09 19:19:49 quite a few mails to read on oe devel today :)) Jul 09 19:20:07 ah, but they are only on one subject :) Jul 09 19:20:20 mwester, but I somewhat care about the subject :) Jul 09 19:21:43 * XorA is lost in a sea of bricks Jul 09 19:22:28 re Jul 09 19:22:28 XorA: your house has collapsed? Jul 09 19:22:39 * mwester thinks either the building has collapsed, or XorA has a flash problem... Jul 09 19:22:41 RP: littkle platic ones Jul 09 19:22:47 lego? Jul 09 19:22:48 Legos! Jul 09 19:22:54 * chouimat hands XorA some JTAG cables Jul 09 19:22:58 XorA: aha :) Jul 09 19:32:59 * * OE Bug 2620 has been RESOLVED (INVALID) by metalgearsnorkel(AT)gmail.com Jul 09 19:33:01 * *  No SD card device on Jul3 Angstrom, c750 Jul 09 19:33:03 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2620 Jul 09 19:43:38 * XorA gets openssh on SL-6000 Jul 09 19:49:49 _sirfred: I have your libqte Jul 09 19:50:29 your libqte are belong to us! Jul 09 19:50:47 Make your time. Jul 09 20:09:28 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r3ab017d5... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): angstrom: add altboot versions of x11 and console images, untested, I'll leave that to the altboot wanting crowd Jul 09 20:36:12 koen|inverness: do we actually have any image that works on different machines? Jul 09 20:36:25 koen|inverness: they all seem to end up with machine only files Jul 09 20:37:08 put and x11-image on nfs and boot it in different machines, the basics "just work" Jul 09 20:37:34 -d somewhere Jul 09 20:44:20 * koen|inverness wonders how people calling themselves 'intelligent' can't find a post from yesterday on angstrom-devel via http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/contact Jul 09 20:44:45 koen|inverness: hehe Jul 09 20:45:50 (the message subject being almost identical to the question asked in a forum) Jul 09 20:46:56 so if you want to install X in a console-image and don't know how, and you see http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angstrom-distro-devel/2007-July/thread.html , what is your first thought? Jul 09 20:47:20 my thought? Ask Koen. Jul 09 20:47:24 :p Jul 09 20:48:23 yeah Jul 09 20:49:09 * koen|inverness consults the 'UTFS euphenisms' list Jul 09 20:56:33 hey lrg Jul 09 20:56:59 koen|inverness: in some part of the world (USA) they stopped teaching old stuff like geography, reading etc ... because who need them, they have gps,computers and ipod now ;) Jul 09 20:57:14 chouimat hahaha Jul 09 20:58:29 woglinde: glad you liked it :) Jul 09 20:59:03 chouimat I hop I can see when the oil goes down how deep the usa will fall Jul 09 21:00:27 I hope the USA admin waks up before that happens :-/ Jul 09 21:01:02 wakes* Jul 09 21:01:24 ~prod lrg Jul 09 21:01:25 * ibot zaps lrg with a high voltage cattle prod Jul 09 21:03:00 I'd would be hilarious if the worldbank would sell the US national debt to say, UAE Jul 09 21:03:49 koen|inverness: hehe Jul 09 21:03:56 the US needs to get it's head out of its rear end, and I'm american, so I can say that :-P Jul 09 21:04:42 summatusmentis: but do we really want this? Jul 09 21:04:45 summatusmentis otherwise you wouldnt be here ;) Jul 09 21:05:14 the US needs a proper leftwing party instead of something slightly left of extreme right Jul 09 21:05:51 the US needs to ditch the left and the right ..... Jul 09 21:05:55 chouimat: of course we really want this. if the US would wake up, and pay attention instead of electing a stupid war mongering right wing religious convservative president, things would be ok Jul 09 21:06:10 and stop having the right to arm bears Jul 09 21:06:19 koen|inverness: the US needs a proper multi-party system, as in > 2 Jul 09 21:06:24 summatusmentis: true .. Jul 09 21:06:27 * Crofton makes a note to refer to arming bears Jul 09 21:06:50 summatusmentis that alone help nothing Jul 09 21:06:52 * mwester thinks the extreme left is just as bad as the extreme right, and the US needs LESS government. But politics is a topic for another channel Jul 09 21:07:08 look at our stupid german gouverment Jul 09 21:07:15 the last days Jul 09 21:07:23 * chouimat is happy to live in .ca Jul 09 21:07:26 woglinde: it would start the road for change. Jul 09 21:07:50 at least we have proper gridlock in Washington again ... Jul 09 21:08:05 true Jul 09 21:08:17 a bit late, but true Jul 09 21:08:18 being found by religious nuts that escaped europe isn't a good start ;) Jul 09 21:08:23 founded* Jul 09 21:08:29 koen|inverness: :-) Jul 09 21:08:39 Sigh. Jul 09 21:08:42 don't get me started on this thread :) Jul 09 21:08:53 (said nuts being hunted down in europe isn't good either) Jul 09 21:09:13 in the end it's all europes fault Jul 09 21:09:27 No. Jul 09 21:09:30 Jul 09 21:09:31 It's microsoft's fault Jul 09 21:09:47 It's *ALWAYS* Microsoft's fault. Jul 09 21:09:58 according to slashdot it's the iphone's fault Jul 09 21:10:00 * * OE Bug 2624 has been created by  Jul 09 21:10:02 * * If software's SVN repository changes locations ( SRC_URI changed), updates from old location (and fails) Jul 09 21:10:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2624 Jul 09 21:10:21 koen|inverness: I think the real guilty in this is the guy who a few millenia ago decided to start a religion ... Jul 09 21:10:25 * chouimat ducks Jul 09 21:10:28 mwester: it's that stupd Microsoft Live Time Machine.NET things Jul 09 21:10:31 thing* Jul 09 21:10:44 let's talk about Australia instead Jul 09 21:10:47 chouimat: :-P bad idea Jul 09 21:10:54 founded by convicts Jul 09 21:10:54 * summatusmentis leaves, you all have fun Jul 09 21:11:14 or about scotland, founded by irish :) Jul 09 21:11:36 or Wales, founded by people without vowels Jul 09 21:12:46 now we have frightened everyone off .... Jul 09 21:12:54 * Crofton curses u-boot Jul 09 21:13:21 *g* Jul 09 21:13:28 uboot is being developed by religious convicted nuts from ireland without vowels? Jul 09 21:13:46 I didnt know denx is irish Jul 09 21:13:48 Germans I think Jul 09 21:13:56 *g* Jul 09 21:14:02 yust joking Jul 09 21:14:17 wlfgng dnx sounds welsh to me ;) Jul 09 21:15:33 mickey_away, ping Jul 09 21:15:34 actually more like he's from Qwghlm, but that's another story Jul 09 21:16:00 anyone know what libgcc_eh is? Jul 09 21:16:44 Crofton: iirc the static version of libgcc_s Jul 09 21:17:10 and libgcc_s is? Jul 09 21:17:22 I am looking at mickey_away patches for neo u-boot Jul 09 21:17:43 Crofton look here http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2005-02/msg00532.html Jul 09 21:17:45 libgcc* has common functions from gcc Jul 09 21:18:04 yeah, I am sort of famliar with lib gcc Jul 09 21:18:56 the u-bbot link fails on raise () Jul 09 21:19:11 mickey_away, added it a bunch of times to various u-bot files Jul 09 21:19:22 I am trying to work out a better solution Jul 09 21:35:02 \quit Jul 09 21:38:34 crap forgot I had to NAND restore before using angstrom Jul 09 21:42:59 * * OE Bug 2613 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Jul 09 21:43:01 * *  collie kernel 2.6.21 and modules Jul 09 21:43:03 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2613 Jul 09 21:58:00 * * OE Bug 2622 has been RESOLVED (INVALID) by Jul 09 21:58:02 * *  perl-native-5.8.3-r0: task do_compile failed Jul 09 21:58:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2622 Jul 09 21:58:11 * * OE Bug 2625 has been created by jstoefer(AT)schuett-elektronik.de Jul 09 21:58:13 * * gnome-desktop fails to build for arm target (h3900) Jul 09 21:58:15 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2625 Jul 09 21:59:30 * Elive_user80 is away: eZzzz Jul 09 22:16:11 polyonymous: psokolovsky that w100 driver seems to work on c7x0 Jul 09 22:16:55 not that I was able to parse the sentence, but I think I got it :) Jul 09 22:17:11 XorA: suspend/resume? Jul 09 22:18:44 psokolovsky: ah now that is a little borken Jul 09 22:19:26 psokolovsky: looks like it doesnt do the vt switch properly Jul 09 22:20:09 XorA: yep, I saw there's the whole workaround apm.d script for it, etc. so, the q is how it is in that regard... Jul 09 22:21:41 hi Jul 09 22:21:59 CoreDump|home: Hi! Jul 09 22:22:00 * * OE Bug 2626 has been created by  Jul 09 22:22:02 * * altboot on collie ignores key presses Jul 09 22:22:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2626 Jul 09 22:22:15 CoreDump|home: so, is it true that altboot is not usable w/o keyboard? Jul 09 22:22:38 psokolovsky: looks like a drop it for now job Jul 09 22:22:59 psokolovsky: well, not exactly. I made it work on Neo1973 with one button and a touchscreen ;) Jul 09 22:23:03 XorA: for now, or ... ? Jul 09 22:23:26 CoreDump|home: ok. really need to peek myself ;-) Jul 09 22:23:30 psokolovsky: probably forever if no real new dev work happens on opie Jul 09 22:23:45 psokolovsky: _sirfred is the only guy still around really understand the w100 Jul 09 22:26:24 XorA: well, my idea was that now there's some support for w100 accel in kernel, it might a an idea to recode it to that instead of direct w100 access (which, AFAICT, that patch does). but that's lots of work still. (and w100 kernel accel doesn't really work good in regarding suspend/resume too, at least on hx4700 ;-) ) Jul 09 22:27:03 well, ok. they patch will for sure stay where it is, but if it will be applied or no, another question... Jul 09 22:27:24 CoreDump|home: I am trying altboot on collie now. I built .ext2 images with OE and renamed one to *-rootfs.bin. It is not being recognized. What did I do wrong? Jul 09 22:28:02 you put them in "boot-images/" right? Jul 09 22:29:07 yes Jul 09 22:29:15 on the CF card Jul 09 22:29:18 psokolovsky: sirfred has suspend/resume working perfectly in accellerated X server, so it is possible to fix Jul 09 22:30:01 I bet. just pretty boring work with lot of trial and error... Jul 09 22:31:27 Laibsch: I'll have a look at the code in question in ~30m Jul 09 22:31:30 CoreDump|home: /media/usbdisk/boot-images/a_opie_070708-roots.bin when mounted on my laptop. file identifies the image as "Linux rev 0.0 ext2 filesystem data". The ones that altboot created itself were "Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data" Jul 09 22:31:57 no errors at all? Jul 09 22:32:06 it's just ignored? Jul 09 22:32:29 try putting it in / of the card Jul 09 22:32:46 CoreDump|home: just that no rootfs was found. Strange thing is also that the image is 64MB where I think I specified in local.conf to build 200MB images. Jul 09 22:32:53 Ok, I will retry Jul 09 22:33:21 64Mb is the default size for .ext2 Jul 09 22:34:00 OK, I do get more errors Jul 09 22:34:17 I guess I also got them earlier, but paid no attention to them Jul 09 22:34:31 what does it say? Jul 09 22:34:38 /dev/hda1 is not a valid block device Jul 09 22:34:44 ahh Jul 09 22:34:57 hehe Jul 09 22:34:58 it does not auto-sense partitions :( Jul 09 22:35:16 o.o; Jul 09 22:35:20 Will the SD card likely work? Jul 09 22:35:33 yep Jul 09 22:35:40 OK, I will try that then Jul 09 22:35:54 I suspect it will be dog slow because of the way the SD module is compiled Jul 09 22:36:01 you could also edit altboot-2.6.cfg to point to the correct partition IIRC Jul 09 22:36:30 /dev/hda1 does not sound like it was incorrect Jul 09 22:36:43 it probably is Jul 09 22:36:52 or Jul 09 22:37:04 collie is lackig in-kernel IDE/CF support Jul 09 22:37:22 (module required) Jul 09 22:38:36 got a problem building glibc: Error: selectued processor does not support `rfs r1' & same error for `wfs r3'. Anyone know how to get past that? Jul 09 22:38:36 mounting the SD card also fails. I guess it also needs some modules. Jul 09 22:39:08 eekee: sounds like you got the wrong architecture Jul 09 22:39:12 eekee: what cpu Jul 09 22:39:40 Laibsch: altboot allows to auto-load an SD driver Jul 09 22:39:50 yeah.. eh it's a 3200, the arch is detected as armv5tel Jul 09 22:39:57 CoreDump|home: I will report a bug report for now. Jul 09 22:40:04 but not an CF driver (yet) as I never encountered a machine where that was reuqired Jul 09 22:40:06 I am preparing for bed time Jul 09 22:40:11 ok Jul 09 22:40:14 eekee: MACHINE = "spitz" Jul 09 22:40:33 hmm k Jul 09 22:40:49 eekee: a zaurus 3200? Jul 09 22:40:56 yeah, spitz Jul 09 22:41:24 that should happen then if you have DISTRO="angstrom-2007.1" and MACHINE = "spitz" I do builds everyday Jul 09 22:41:32 right Jul 09 22:44:00 * * OE Bug 2627 has been created by  Jul 09 22:44:02 * * altboot seems unable to mount either SD or CF cards on collie Jul 09 22:44:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2627 Jul 09 23:50:55 well-well, OE has too old autoconf version by now... Jul 10 00:05:39 psokolovsky, fix it and send patch ;-E Jul 10 00:57:37 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r030e4469... 10/ (1 packages/poboxserver/poboxserver_1.2.5.bb): poboxserver: fix -dbg packaging. reorder some fields. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 10 02:59:57 2007