**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 12 02:59:57 2007 Jul 12 03:17:02 03marek.vasut 07org.oe.dev * r8654baa6... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-hackndev-2.6_svn.bb): linux-hackndev-2.6 svn: Update repo URL. Jul 12 03:17:06 03polyonymous 07org.oe.dev * rc163d74e... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): classes/qt4x11.bbclass, uicmoc4-native: add qt3support Jul 12 03:17:11 03polyonymous 07org.oe.dev * rf8480b9f... 10/ (1 packages/qmake/qmake2-native_2.01a.bb): qmake2-native: install mkspecs into host_sys staging area as well Jul 12 05:47:01 * * OE Bug 2643 has been created by carbonfreeze(AT)gmail.com Jul 12 05:47:03 * * Ability to change gpe-clock alarms via gpe-calendar Jul 12 05:47:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2643 Jul 12 07:46:52 morning Jul 12 07:47:08 ~fish XorA Jul 12 07:47:10 * ibot slaps XorA around with a large trout Jul 12 09:00:00 * * OE Bug 2645 has been created by marek.vasut(AT)gmail.com Jul 12 09:00:02 * * add obexpushd Jul 12 09:00:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2645 Jul 12 09:38:37 did everyone start GUADEC early? Jul 12 09:50:56 * ade|desk mumbles something about people that don't pull before pushing and having multiple heads ...grr Jul 12 09:51:49 * ade|desk casts an eye over at mickey|zzZZzz Jul 12 10:07:21 ade|desk: thats not the problem, if two people use two different mirrors then you end with two heads Jul 12 10:08:05 ade|desk: with l2g offline most afternoons then this will happen a lot Jul 12 10:10:18 why is l2g offline so much ? Jul 12 10:10:46 ade|desk: massive load Jul 12 10:11:56 does george have a sekret account on there ? Jul 12 10:12:05 ade|desk: heh heh Jul 12 10:13:12 are there plans afoot to split the load out ? Jul 12 10:15:52 ade|desk: see GUADEC agenda Jul 12 10:16:55 what is the load issue? Jul 12 10:17:30 Crofton: florian said mtn server was eating vast amounts of RAM so it + apache where running out and swapping heavilly Jul 12 10:17:52 Crofton: it is still under investigation I beleive Jul 12 10:17:56 ah Jul 12 10:18:46 I'd offer to help, but I can't keep my svn server for more than a few hours Jul 12 10:18:58 but I think most of that is the crap netgear router Jul 12 10:30:01 Crofton: I think we have enough resource available to share some load, it just need proper management Jul 12 10:34:02 morning Jul 12 10:39:55 yo hrw Jul 12 10:40:37 hi xora Jul 12 10:41:08 I found few new annoyances in openmoko software Jul 12 10:41:21 hrw: heh heh Jul 12 10:41:38 XorA: try /etc/init.d/gsmd restart Jul 12 10:42:00 * * OE Bug 2642 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by mlauer(AT)vanille-media.de Jul 12 10:42:02 * *  alsa-states doesn't build Jul 12 10:42:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2642 Jul 12 10:42:11 hehe Jul 12 10:42:30 "killall gsmd" in gsmd script... Jul 12 10:43:03 and openmoko-libs use it to restart gsmd when dialer starts Jul 12 10:47:15 lll+ Jul 12 10:55:51 hi all Jul 12 10:56:07 hi florian Jul 12 10:56:58 hi florian Jul 12 11:12:55 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rc1286096... 10/ (1 packages/efl1/ecore-native_0.9.9.038.bb): Jul 12 11:12:55 ecore-native: fix configure options to make it build on systems without EFL headers Jul 12 11:12:55 Thanks Koen for spotting and insisting something was wrong ;) Jul 12 11:41:39 hrw: I dont have an openmoko install :-) Jul 12 11:44:16 XorA: neither do I :D Jul 12 11:44:47 or it depends.. Jul 12 11:45:01 bv4 has openmoko but I do not remember when last time I updated it Jul 12 11:45:14 bv3 has some nice stuff on it Jul 12 11:59:21 hi Jul 12 12:05:35 bye Jul 12 12:12:52 dcordes: now you gone and done it :-( Jul 12 12:37:56 how do i define a fallbackmirror in OE? just add it in base.bbclass? Jul 12 14:17:40 hello Jul 12 14:17:45 evry body Jul 12 14:39:39 morning Jul 12 14:45:01 * * OE Bug 2646 has been created by sip.nslu(AT)gmail.com Jul 12 14:45:03 * * updated bb file for ctorrent Jul 12 14:45:05 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2646 Jul 12 15:01:28 Hi Jul 12 15:01:30 hmm Jul 12 15:01:45 | genext2fs: couldn't allocate a block (no free space) Jul 12 15:01:52 while building an EFIKA image Jul 12 15:02:51 where does the ext2 image size get set? Jul 12 15:03:14 Crofton: machine.conf Jul 12 15:03:26 nothing in efika.conf Jul 12 15:03:33 I wonder what the default is? Jul 12 15:03:40 Crofton: 32 meg I think Jul 12 15:05:16 IMAGE_ROOTFS_SIZE_ext2 = "200000" change the bit in quotes :-) Jul 12 15:05:55 units? Jul 12 15:05:58 K? Jul 12 15:06:04 no idea Jul 12 15:06:09 heh Jul 12 15:06:12 got that from qemu.conf Jul 12 15:09:39 Hi! Jul 12 15:09:48 polyonymous: hi, online? Jul 12 15:13:30 thanks XorA Jul 12 15:13:35 that solved my problem Jul 12 15:17:10 I think its in blocks Jul 12 15:26:22 mickeyl: my apologies, i had not realised you where using a mirror before casting aspersions in your direction. Jul 12 15:27:10 ade|desk: no worries. we had to reconfigure stuff yesterday night, that may be the cause for some of the temporary heads Jul 12 15:28:09 it was a simple merge so that was good Jul 12 15:39:33 Any tosa developer here? Jul 12 15:39:53 hrw? Jul 12 15:40:02 xjqian? Jul 12 15:41:05 hrw|gone, xjqian: ping regarding tosa patches for opie/qte Jul 12 15:43:00 * * OE Bug 2641 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Jul 12 15:43:03 * *  svn.sf.net renamed to project.svn.sf.net Jul 12 15:43:04 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2641 Jul 12 16:06:56 morning Jul 12 16:07:08 psokolovsky: I do not know nothing about tosa and qte Jul 12 16:08:39 hrw: there's a weird patch for it there. can you look at it and ideally confirm it's no longer required. otherwise, I sent a mail to dirk with question, suggestion, and notification that the patch is scheduled for removal. Jul 12 16:09:19 which patch? Jul 12 16:09:42 kernel-keymap? Jul 12 16:09:44 hrw: kernel-keymap-tosa.patch Jul 12 16:10:43 psokolovsky: I have no idea Jul 12 16:10:48 hrw: ok Jul 12 16:11:02 and during this/next weeks I cant even check it Jul 12 16:11:28 ok Jul 12 16:12:04 either way, my suggestion was - if it's still needed, it should be done where it belongs - in kernel Jul 12 16:13:07 you know how crappy 2.4 was on Z.. Jul 12 16:14:10 yeah, that's what I was thinking too - if it's 2.4 or something Jul 12 16:15:11 hrw: 2.4 is crappy on any appliance :) Jul 12 16:15:40 chouimat: on Z it is crappy even more Jul 12 16:15:57 sharp patchset is 6.5M diff Jul 12 16:16:06 hrw: I know ... and I saw worse than this ... Jul 12 16:16:16 chouimat: poor you Jul 12 16:16:49 hrw: related to this http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2872 ... btw a 25MB diff is fun to get :( Jul 12 16:18:00 hrw: I think I still have the script that split this in "something more manageable" somewhere ... Jul 12 16:27:24 Laibsch: is there a backspace key on collie? Jul 12 16:28:06 psokolovsky: yeah, del(or whatever, I don't have my colie in front of me) Jul 12 16:28:38 summatusmentis: yes, so I want to know if it has BS too or only DEL Jul 12 16:29:01 hold on, I'll look Jul 12 16:29:26 psokolovsky: backspace Jul 12 16:29:36 plus shift+backspace=del Jul 12 16:30:17 that's why I could never get it working, it looks to be, on the keypad, that it should be fn+backspace=del Jul 12 16:30:18 Laibsch: just looking at qte #ifdefs. horror. Jul 12 16:31:21 summatusmentis: you are right. not shift, but fn Jul 12 16:31:54 Laibsch: does fn work? never did on OZ, but I haven't tried it recently at all Jul 12 16:32:00 at least not for del Jul 12 16:34:52 don't know. I never bothered Jul 12 16:35:07 I don't recollect it striking me ever as not working Jul 12 16:35:15 but it might just be that I never tried to use it. Jul 12 16:35:38 hi all Jul 12 18:46:13 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r6fac15e3... 10/ (1 conf/bitbake.conf): (log message trimmed) Jul 12 18:46:13 bitbake.conf: Introduce variables to specify machine's display properties. Jul 12 18:46:13 * Per RFC on the mailing list. Jul 12 18:46:13 * Following variables added: Jul 12 18:46:13 MACHINE_DISPLAY_WIDTH_PIXELS - width in pixels in hardware orientation Jul 12 18:46:14 MACHINE_DISPLAY_HEIGHT_PIXELS - height in pixels in hardware orientation Jul 12 18:46:16 MACHINE_DISPLAY_ORIENTATION - number of degrees hardware display orientation must Jul 12 18:46:20 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rcf853e07... 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Jul 12 18:46:22 qte 2.3.10: Remove deprecated devfs.patch Jul 12 18:46:24 * 2.4-specific patch, which instead marked as simpad-specific. Jul 12 18:46:26 * Doesn't apply any longer. Jul 12 18:46:44 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r9c6cefe0... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): qte 2.3.10: Remove unused ipaq-keyboard.patch. Jul 12 18:46:48 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rd5697dd3... 10/ (1 packages/qte/qte-common_2.3.10.inc): qte 2.3.10: Clean up ipaq_sound_fix.patch stuff. Jul 12 18:46:53 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r9390b053... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Jul 12 18:46:53 qte 2.3.10: kernel-keymap-corgi.patch appears to be safe to be applied Jul 12 18:46:53 unconditionally (adds new keycodes to "Zaurus" mapping, doesn't change anything). Jul 12 18:47:04 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r2b5f6388... 10/ (1 packages/gnet/gnet_svn.bb site/arm-linux): gnet: Add svn version instead of CVS one. Add necessary site file bits. Jul 12 18:47:09 03florian 07org.oe.dev * rd7fd55c2... 10/ (1 packages/alp/hiker_0.9.1.bb): hiker: Add 0.9.1... we silently ignore demos installed to wron directories. Jul 12 18:47:11 woo-hoo, welcome back, CIA-3! Jul 12 18:47:17 03slapin 07org.oe.dev * rb96a1271... 10/ (1 conf/machine/palmld.conf): Jul 12 18:47:17 Palm Zire 72: removed unnecessary modules from config, since they Jul 12 18:47:17 will be added by dependencies anyway. Jul 12 18:47:53 geez... Jul 12 18:54:16 03slapin 07org.oe.dev * r0fa75c6f... 10/ (8 files in 6 dirs): Adding support for Palm Treo 650 and Palm Tungsten T5 Jul 12 18:54:23 03slapin 07org.oe.dev * r0981156e... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-hackndev-2.6/palmtt5/defconfig): Updated defcinfig for Palm Tungsten T5 Jul 12 18:54:28 03slapin 07org.oe.dev * r0fc95be7... 10/ (1 conf/machine/palmz72.conf): Jul 12 18:54:28 Updated installed modules list for Palm Zire 72 Jul 12 18:54:28 * Removed module which is added by task-base and depends Jul 12 18:54:28 * Added touchscreen module Jul 12 19:30:43 re Jul 12 19:39:07 psokolovsky, now online Jul 12 19:40:42 polyonymous: Hi! Jul 12 19:40:50 Hi Jul 12 19:41:49 polyonymous: Well, what about making opie perfect in less turns? ;-) I'd like to ask you to review Z-specific patches for qte and decide, how to get rid of them ;-) Jul 12 19:42:23 psokolovsky, I'll look into it then. Although I'm not sure I know a lot about hardware-related stuff. Jul 12 19:52:49 polyonymous: well, hw-related stuff in kernel ;-). there are just some random offshots, which instead should be either in kernel, made generic, or not at all ;-) Jul 12 19:54:11 psokolovsky, well, I'll look at them and see what can we do. Right now I'm a bit busy with a few gentoo ebuilds, but I'll get back to it in a couple of hours, I think. Jul 12 19:55:13 polyonymous: np, it's not emergency at all, but I'd appreciate your look in next of couple of days, with the target it to be resolved in next couple of weeks, Jul 12 19:55:29 let's hope for the best :) Jul 12 20:10:25 since /var is in tmpfs these days, where would be a good place to move /var/www? Jul 12 20:12:45 jsheldon: /var is not in tmpfs Jul 12 20:12:50 jsheldon: Not necessarily the case Jul 12 20:13:27 The volatiles mechanism can be used to determine what parts of /var are in tmpfs and what is on a real fs. Jul 12 20:17:25 CoreDump|afk: ping Jul 12 20:17:40 mwester: what is "the volatiles mechanism"? Jul 12 20:17:54 mwester: I suppose a oe.org search is in order... Jul 12 20:18:53 oh great, "Declaring volatiles, This section is to be completed." :( Jul 12 20:19:28 A search would be good - the proposal was on the ML. Check /etc/defaults/volatiles for the config file, which has some docs in the comments. It's rather straightforward, actually. Jul 12 20:20:21 mwester: ah I see, thanks very much Jul 12 20:43:26 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r23dda92e... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Jul 12 20:43:26 opie-taskbar: Add patch to get rid of 1-pix stray gap under taskbar. Jul 12 20:43:26 * Upstream http://opie-bugs.oszine.de/view.php?id=1864 Jul 12 20:43:31 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * re624c9cc... 10/ (1 conf/machine/aximx50v.conf conf/machine/aximx50.conf): aximx50.conf, aximx50v.conf: Split up configs for QVGA vs VGA aximx50 models. Jul 12 20:43:36 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r35e96e32... 10/ (1 conf/machine/asus620.conf): asus620.conf: Add Asus MyPal A620. Jul 12 20:43:41 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r158e0b45... 10/ (1 conf/machine/asus620.conf): asus620.conf: Typo fix. Jul 12 20:43:46 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r5898bfa9... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): htcalpine.conf, htcapache.conf, htcsable.conf: Add few more HTC devices. Jul 12 20:43:50 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r3ec8788f... 10/ (1 conf/machine/looxc550.conf): looxc550: Add Loox C550, fresh hh.org port, but progresses well. Jul 12 20:44:00 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r4ed12f88... 10/ (26 files in 22 dirs): linux-handhelds-2.6: Add support for bunch of new machines. Jul 12 21:01:04 jsheldon FHS 2.3 says /var/www should likely be /srv/www. Jul 12 21:01:33 * ReaperOfSouls is not sure how closely OE follows FHS though. Jul 12 21:02:17 ReaperOfSouls: yeah I'd like to follow FHS as closely as possible Jul 12 21:02:50 Here is the relivent discription of /srv: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM Jul 12 21:03:12 ReaperOfSouls: I'm using a relatively recent OE tree using task-base and I don't have /srv Jul 12 22:00:19 ljp: drw: ping? Jul 12 22:00:32 zecke: yo Jul 12 22:00:50 drw: did any of the apps launch for you? Jul 12 22:01:19 zecke: all worked except the metronome one Jul 12 22:01:47 hmm Jul 12 22:02:02 ljp: where will the apps be installed= Jul 12 22:02:17 you have to go into Applications->installs apps Jul 12 22:02:20 ;/ Jul 12 22:02:40 ljp: I know, but none launches and I wonder where to get the error message :) Jul 12 22:02:51 hm odd Jul 12 22:03:13 ljp: "Application terminated" CalcuatorX was terminated due to application eror Jul 12 22:03:21 ljp: so where are the apps installed? Jul 12 22:03:30 ljp: like physically on disk Jul 12 22:04:04 ah in $HOME Jul 12 22:04:05 /mnt/disk2/packages Jul 12 22:04:28 oh in qwvfb Jul 12 22:04:30 :) Jul 12 22:04:37 $HOMER/packages Jul 12 22:05:35 drw: you use 4.2.2? Jul 12 22:05:41 yep Jul 12 22:06:02 I'm using the latest 4.2.3, so it might not be binary compatible ;) Jul 12 22:06:54 hmm no, they launch when manually started Jul 12 22:07:31 metronom was working Jul 12 22:08:13 might want to go back to 4.2.2, as there are problems with 4.2.3 Jul 12 22:14:10 metronom didn't work for me w/4.2.2, will try manually running it when I get home Jul 12 22:14:21 seems to work that way Jul 12 22:14:56 ljp: how can I get a foto qtopia? Jul 12 22:15:10 i have a working qtopia-phone bb and angstrom-qtopia-image Jul 12 22:16:22 :) Jul 12 22:16:30 one big ipkg for qtopia :D Jul 12 22:17:00 seperation ios going to be painful Jul 12 22:17:26 ljp: target == gp? Jul 12 22:17:49 not yet :) just started omega machine Jul 12 22:18:09 ok, gotta run...later Jul 12 22:18:17 major problem will be image creation Jul 12 22:20:03 ljp: now you start to understand :) Jul 12 22:20:42 ljp: For you, devs and for packagers it is better to have source of each qtopia app and lib separately (one of the lessons learned from my Opie involvement) Jul 12 22:21:00 ljp: did you try the flickr app? where is that page for 1.? Jul 12 22:22:29 hi Jul 12 22:22:41 Laibsch: pong Jul 12 22:27:01 hi CoreDump|home Jul 12 22:27:31 hey Jul 12 22:27:42 do you have ausggestion how to work around Jul 12 22:27:57 !oebug 2627 Jul 12 22:27:59 * * Bug 2627, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-07-09 15:42 Jul 12 22:28:00 * * : altboot seems unable to mount either SD or CF cards on collie Jul 12 22:28:01 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2627 Jul 12 22:28:08 ljp: man, Qtopia sucks I can't even enter a '2' Jul 12 22:28:30 you can, just not with keyboard in qvfb Jul 12 22:28:45 Laibsch: I didn't look at this yet Jul 12 22:28:48 use dockedkeyboard Jul 12 22:29:06 major usability issue! Jul 12 22:29:16 you could get SD bootig going if you figure out the SD module ame Jul 12 22:29:18 *name Jul 12 22:29:22 dont use your keyboard! Jul 12 22:29:34 use skin or input method :D Jul 12 22:29:44 ljp: it doesn't work with the skin as well Jul 12 22:30:05 hmm. ok. minor bug in qvfb/skin then Jul 12 22:30:52 ljp: changing input methods is a horror as well. Major usabilities issues, everywhere, worse than hippies :) Jul 12 22:30:55 hold down the * button to change to number Jul 12 22:31:30 or rather, hold and click 3 times ;/ Jul 12 22:32:16 or just hold down the '4' key, for instance Jul 12 22:33:18 CoreDump|home: module name is locomo_spi for collie Jul 12 22:33:34 I would like to hear input on what I need to change to get that module loaded Jul 12 22:34:49 SD_KERNEL_MODULE="locomo_spi" in /etc/altboot-2.6.conf should do the trick Jul 12 22:42:34 thanks Jul 12 22:52:21 qtopia can make its own ipkgs Jul 12 22:59:16 ljp: which is stupid Jul 12 22:59:55 ljp: thanks to OE you can generate rpm, tar.gz, ipk, deb, blafoo, qpk's from one bb. Jul 12 23:01:12 ljp: the animations of the apps look nice Jul 12 23:01:16 but I have to go to bed now Jul 12 23:03:22 not stupid for qtopia to generate ipkg Jul 12 23:04:11 ljp: it is like the trapper-keeper in southpark Jul 12 23:05:05 oe should learn qpk, which is more secure Jul 12 23:05:15 :) Jul 12 23:05:37 more secure as it doesn't have post-install scripts? Jul 12 23:05:51 yep Jul 12 23:05:55 thats one thing Jul 12 23:06:10 and it has gnu pg signatures? Jul 12 23:06:24 but its more specific to qtopia and SXE with its use of 'domains' Jul 12 23:06:56 just md5 Jul 12 23:07:40 lol Jul 12 23:07:53 i am quite suprised that security minded people arent mabasting ipkg more Jul 12 23:08:01 lambasting that it Jul 12 23:08:13 is Jul 12 23:12:10 md5 is getting weaker and weaker and there have been meaningful attacks to it :) Jul 13 00:32:57 anyone here? Jul 13 00:38:41 sort off Jul 13 00:38:51 I think they are all headed to Sctoland **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 13 02:59:57 2007