**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 19 02:59:58 2007 Jul 19 04:01:21 um, hi. is there some known problem with pciutils ? ... its not compiling.. linker error Jul 19 04:03:11 lib/libpci.a: could not read symbols: Archive has no index; run ranlib to add one Jul 19 04:03:11 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Jul 19 04:03:11 | make: *** [lspci] Error 1 Jul 19 04:03:11 | FATAL: oe_runmake failed Jul 19 04:09:26 Where are you trying to build it from? Jul 19 04:09:37 Opps wrong window. Jul 19 04:10:25 \ Jul 19 04:16:43 geddy_leo there is actually a cross compile problem in the upstream source for pciutils...It does not respect AR or RANLIB. Jul 19 04:18:35 At least on .dev, it does not look like there is any patch to fix that. At least from first blush. A lot of arches will work fine with a non-cross ar or ranlib, but there are a number that wont. Jul 19 04:21:57 ok. i don't really need it, i'm just trying to build task-base for qemu. what is the best way to tell bitbake to skip it when building task-base?? Jul 19 04:22:48 Ill defer to the oe proffessionals on that one... Jul 19 04:24:37 i tried to mask it out in BBMASK in my config but it didn't work. bitbake file parsing got messed up...... Jul 19 06:50:54 good morning all Jul 19 06:58:03 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r9d4814a9... 10/ (1 packages/bluez/files/pkgconfig-add-gthread.patch): packages/bluez/files/pkgconfig-add-gthread.patch : add missing patch Jul 19 07:55:18 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rb75ab500... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-opie.bb): Jul 19 07:55:18 task-opie: Try to install backgrounds for device native resolution. Jul 19 07:55:18 * Also, for both landsacpe and portrait orientations. Jul 19 07:55:23 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r7acaed65... 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): qte 2.3.20: Move simpad 2.4 patches to deprecated. Jul 19 07:55:27 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * ree5e77dd... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): qte 2.3.10: Move c700 2.4 patches to deprecated. Jul 19 07:55:33 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r33add210... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): qte 2.3.10: Rename a patch to match its content. Jul 19 07:55:47 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r07e364c1... 10/ (1 packages/qte/qte-mt_2.3.10.bb): qte-mt 2.3.10: Bump PR. Jul 19 08:13:38 morning Jul 19 08:41:44 yo koen_ Jul 19 08:41:58 good morning all Jul 19 08:42:49 koen_: got GdkLauncher last night, very sweet Jul 19 08:47:06 anyone here have a n800? Jul 19 08:47:23 * XorA|guadec points at koen Jul 19 08:47:43 XorA|guadec: cool Jul 19 08:47:53 do the latest angstrom images for n800 boot? Jul 19 08:48:06 I have no idea Jul 19 08:48:19 koen: working on epiphany-webkit recipe Jul 19 08:48:27 ok, then no. they don't :) Jul 19 08:48:42 fire alarm Jul 19 08:58:04 Jul 19 08:59:23 heh heh Jul 19 09:30:49 can people have a look at http://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=1741&action=edit ? Jul 19 09:32:34 Fix us:? Jul 19 09:44:25 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r0c09159e... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): qte 2.3.10: Refresh patch after deprecating 2.4 stuff. Jul 19 09:44:34 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * re5233bfc... 10/ (1 packages/qte/qte-2.3.10/remove-unused-kbdhandler.patch): qte 2.3.10: Add tentative patch on the way to kill ipaq vs zaurus descrepancy. Jul 19 09:44:40 03slapin 07org.oe.dev * r034cb4d5... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-hackndev-2.6/palmt650/defconfig): Jul 19 09:44:40 Updated defconfig for Palm Treo 650 Jul 19 09:44:40 Generated by defconfigman and uses corgi_bl not pxapwm Jul 19 09:44:45 03slapin 07org.oe.dev * rbbd0b434... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-hackndev-2.6_svn.bb): Bumped PR Jul 19 10:12:48 psokolovsky_, wow, great job ;-) Jul 19 10:13:06 psokolovsky_, wow, great job ;-) Jul 19 10:13:50 zecke, would you please tell me some thing about the question about adding process between image compiling & building? Jul 19 10:13:55 polyonymous: Hi! actually, we're ready to test getting rid of ipaq vs zaurus dichotomy Jul 19 10:14:19 polyonymous: can you try that last patch I committed with defining z to QWS_IPAQ? Jul 19 10:14:42 I'm still reading commits :) Jul 19 10:14:50 and pulling too :) Jul 19 10:17:32 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r9f9a8f18... 10/ (1 packages/gnome/gnome-desktop_2.18.3.bb): gnome-desktop_2.18.3.bb : version bump Jul 19 10:27:16 readon: what do you mean by compiling? Jul 19 10:27:38 readon: compiling == building packages? building == installing them into a rootfs? Jul 19 10:31:38 morning ! Jul 19 10:42:04 psokolovsky_, ERROR: No providers of runtime build target opie-taskbar-images-320x240 (for ['/home/hacker/OE/org.openembedded.dev/packages/tasks/task-opie.bb']) ;-)) Jul 19 10:42:41 polyonymous: but it's RRECOMENDed! Jul 19 10:43:06 psokolovsky_, and? :) Jul 19 10:43:27 well, then need to add those to PACKAGES in there... Jul 19 10:43:58 psokolovsky_, yup, we have 240x320 :) Jul 19 10:44:51 should we depend images on imagemagick and rotate it when installing or are there images available? Jul 19 10:45:09 (I hope you don't suggest the former, though:)) Jul 19 11:03:33 re Jul 19 11:03:40 wb Jul 19 11:03:46 zecke:that's right Jul 19 11:10:15 zecke: yesterday you told me that there is a better way to do that beside using addtask after do_compile before do_rootfs. Jul 19 11:10:32 readon: let me check if I can back that up :) Jul 19 11:12:56 readon: sorry, I can't back that up Jul 19 11:13:35 readon: there is IMAGE_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND and this gets used Jul 19 11:13:51 readon: there is ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND but that is not used Jul 19 11:20:46 ok, I will try it Jul 19 11:25:35 Hi, I have just booted angstrom-x11-image on an embedded x86 system and everything looks fine so far. Jul 19 11:25:56 another question, i modified distro/xxx.conf and rerun bitbake xxxxx-image, would the image be reinstall? i mean delete root_fs/* and copy files in again. Jul 19 11:26:14 But, is there a best prctice to set x resolution under GPE ? Jul 19 11:31:26 psokolovsky_, do I get it right that I should set a gui class bigscreen for 640x480 spitz? Jul 19 11:31:50 readon, I'd think yes. Jul 19 11:32:09 polyonymous: yep, it shoul be that that way already Jul 19 11:33:14 psokolovsky_, maybe... I'm not sure if I'm doing right putting WIDTH and HEIGHT into spitz.conf instead of zaurus-clamshell, but I dunno if all clamshells are this way. I should explore more machine conf files, I'd think :) Jul 19 11:33:54 and I don'tthink it was set... Jul 19 11:34:17 not anywhere I can see in grep Jul 19 11:45:55 morning all Jul 19 11:53:01 polyonymous, when i modified DEBUG_APP to cut the gdb down, but gdb still contained in the final images. Jul 19 11:54:09 readon, well, I don't know then :) Jul 19 11:55:44 03polyonymous 07org.oe.dev * r15d5e403... 10/ (1 conf/machine/spitz.conf): conf/machine/spitz: populate MACHINE_* namespace Jul 19 11:55:49 03polyonymous 07org.oe.dev * r9e9ce0b6... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Jul 19 11:55:49 opie-taskbar-images: package more resoltions. Jul 19 11:55:49 We're yet to provide correct images, though. Jul 19 12:00:14 polyonymous: I guess packaging wrong stuff is bad idea, should have been enough to just mention packages to make bitbake shut up Jul 19 12:01:04 psokolovsky_, Well, I think badly rotated image is more likely to stimulate putting the correct one rather than absence of any :) Jul 19 12:01:57 not sure Jul 19 12:02:36 well, that's what I think. I do not object shutting bitbake up, though. Jul 19 12:19:49 hi all Jul 19 12:22:46 ho florian Jul 19 12:27:13 jo koen Jul 19 12:30:24 polyonymous: small problem with your spitz changes Jul 19 12:30:29 XorA|guadec, yes? Jul 19 12:30:38 polyonymous: 480x640@270 Jul 19 12:30:46 polyonymous: its a portrait device Jul 19 12:31:03 Aha, thought so. It's just that it doesn't affect a thing at the moment, but I'll fix it now Jul 19 12:31:11 polyonymous: :-D Jul 19 12:32:21 what was the rotation/orientation var again? Jul 19 12:32:36 it doesn't seem to be set for any machine at the moment :) Jul 19 12:32:58 hi all Jul 19 12:33:05 ah _ORIENTATION Jul 19 12:33:07 hi koen Jul 19 12:45:42 polyonymous: bitbake.conf has defaults Jul 19 12:45:56 psokolovsky_, yup, noticed. Jul 19 13:01:45 03polyonymous 07org.oe.dev * ra98e9345... 10/ (1 conf/machine/spitz.conf): conf/machine/spitz: rotated by 3*pi/2 Jul 19 13:04:31 03polyonymous 07org.oe.dev * ra98e9345... 10/ (1 conf/machine/spitz.conf): conf/machine/spitz: rotated by 3*pi/2 Jul 19 13:04:38 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rcea8793a... 10/ (1 packages/gnome/gnome-vfs-obexftp_0.4.bb): gnome-vfs-obex-ftp: add WIP recipe Jul 19 13:04:44 twice?? Jul 19 13:05:36 which puts you at 6*pi/2 Jul 19 13:05:45 or 3*pi Jul 19 13:09:43 :)))) Jul 19 13:10:05 pi, actually, since we can mod 2*pi it. Jul 19 13:10:42 true Jul 19 13:36:07 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra8534497... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): openobex: update to 1.3 Jul 19 13:36:13 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rcb6165c0... 10/ (1 packages/gnome/gnome-vfs-obexftp_0.4.bb): gnome-vfs-obexftp: fix packaging Jul 19 13:41:28 Hello Jul 19 13:41:45 I was wondering, why are there no python_2.5 bb files? Jul 19 13:41:52 I mean, it *is* stable Jul 19 13:41:53 :) Jul 19 13:42:43 morning Jul 19 13:42:54 Morning Jul 19 13:54:25 B_Lizzard: noone made it yet? patches welcome Jul 19 13:55:38 Well, I'd guess it's just a matter of changing the filename and the things that point towards 2.4 to 2.5 Jul 19 13:55:57 I'm just asking because maybe someone found problems with 2.5 Jul 19 13:56:06 And that's why you're sticking with 2.4 Jul 19 13:56:14 I'll test and see if 2.5 works Jul 19 13:56:27 2.5 needs to get thoroughly tested before being added Jul 19 13:56:36 re koen Jul 19 13:56:42 Quite obviously Jul 19 13:56:43 not "it compiles and people claim it's stable" Jul 19 13:57:10 Well, it's stable enough in upstream to start considering it for inclusion Jul 19 13:57:21 have you tested it? Jul 19 13:57:33 And most big distros that actually *depend* on python have 2.5 by default Jul 19 13:57:33 if no, please refrain from making statements about its stability Jul 19 13:57:37 Not in OE Jul 19 13:57:42 But generally, yes Jul 19 13:58:45 I wouldn't guess that OE should be a different story from anything else Jul 19 14:00:55 flo_lap: do you have some time for me? I have a problem with keylaunch on simpad (bug 2598). Jul 19 14:01:35 mr_nice: maybe a little bit... i'm still at guadec Jul 19 14:01:46 ~oebug 2598 Jul 19 14:01:52 !oebug 2598 Jul 19 14:01:54 * * Bug 2598, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-07-04 07:06 Jul 19 14:01:55 * * : angstrom simpad gpe: metabug suspend with power button does not work Jul 19 14:01:58 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2598 Jul 19 14:03:31 flo_lap: ah, ok. it is not that important. I can ask you another day. Jul 19 14:08:50 mr_nice: sounds like we need to make a small suspend abstraction - kick me when i'm back, i'll take a more clos look about how to fix this and related issues then. Jul 19 14:09:17 bbl Jul 19 14:11:26 flo_lap: ok, thx! Jul 19 14:11:31 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rd8747df0... 10/ (1 packages/clutter/clutter_svn.bb): clutter: update it a bit Jul 19 14:15:58 what's the recommended version of monotone as of now? Jul 19 14:17:33 VoodooZ: the latest Jul 19 14:17:42 ok thanks Jul 19 14:24:00 koen: bored? Jul 19 14:24:25 no, I want to commit a fix for pulseaudio before I forget about it :) Jul 19 14:24:42 heh heh Jul 19 14:24:47 zecke: the gnome-desktop with the libxml error is version 2.16.1, which seems to be the latest Jul 19 14:25:25 tnb: i fixed that an hour ago Jul 19 14:25:41 XorA|gprs: cool, thanks Jul 19 14:25:48 tnb: 2.18.3 is in oe Jul 19 14:26:00 ok Jul 19 14:26:19 * XorA|gprs hopes he remembered to push Jul 19 14:27:34 [oe-commits] org.oe.dev gnome-desktop_2.18.3.bb : version bump Jul 19 14:27:44 4 hours ago Jul 19 14:36:07 XorA|gprs: http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/IMAGE_077.jpg <- remcos attempt to compile bru for arm Jul 19 14:37:02 does anyone know what was used to create the radeon-font.h file in the psplash source? I would like to add a larger font. Jul 19 14:37:22 cbrake: you'd have to ask mallum Jul 19 14:38:04 koen: ok, thanks Jul 19 14:39:01 koen: just pointed out to x guys our handhelds can rotate screens so in their new input system please think of us Jul 19 14:39:46 XorA|gprs: ah, nice Jul 19 14:40:55 * koen wants to commit something like this: http://rafb.net/p/KGDsGg47.html Jul 19 14:41:11 koen I need bru Jul 19 14:41:21 * koen needs bru as well Jul 19 14:41:35 I hope my gf didn't drank all the bru I stashed in her bags Jul 19 14:41:48 heh heh Jul 19 14:42:02 you will arrive home to find her orange Jul 19 14:42:11 likely Jul 19 14:42:22 * koen wonders how piggies react to irn bru Jul 19 14:42:51 * chouimat|away sings "Spider Pig, Spider Pig ...." Jul 19 14:42:57 (after decarbonating it) Jul 19 14:43:01 probably sensibl and run Jul 19 14:43:36 koen is this stuff any good? Jul 19 14:44:08 it's orange, bubbly and has loads of sugar and artificial colorant Jul 19 14:44:15 of course it's good :) Jul 19 14:44:19 and cafeine Jul 19 14:44:19 koen hehe Jul 19 14:44:53 its also perfect for hangover as it doesnt taste of anything identifiable Jul 19 14:44:58 * chouimat|away goes back to see why llvm is not compiling Jul 19 14:45:37 "sound-theme-spec" -> bango Jul 19 14:46:10 * chouimat is listening to Enter Sandman by The Angry String Orchestra on "Say Your Prayers, Little One": The String Quartet Tribute to Metallica [Amarok] Jul 19 15:32:46 XorA|guadec: you also fixing thcrut-1.2.5/Libnet-1.0.2a ? :-) Jul 19 15:32:56 error: byte order has not been specified Jul 19 15:33:04 tnb: WTF is that Jul 19 15:34:02 XorA|guadec: part of 'build gpe-image' for angstrom... I'll investigate. Jul 19 15:36:55 tnb: your building the wrong image Jul 19 15:37:01 tnb: bitbake Angstrom-x11-image Jul 19 15:37:10 without capitals :-) Jul 19 15:40:12 "[0x01] What is THC-RUT: Jul 19 15:40:12 RUT (aRe yoU There, pronouced as 'root') is your first knife on foreign Jul 19 15:40:12 network. It gathers informations from local and remote networks. Jul 19 15:40:13 It offers a wide range of network discovery utilities like arp lookup on Jul 19 15:40:13 an IP range, spoofed DHCP request, RARP, BOOTP, ICMP-ping, ICMP Jul 19 15:40:13 address mask request, OS fingerprinting, high-speed host discovery, ..." Jul 19 15:41:42 hmmmm? Jul 19 15:42:00 "are you there" is a telnet protocol message too :) Jul 19 15:43:32 I'm starting series on building initrd/iniramfs with OE in my blog. here's first post: http://pfalcon-oe.blogspot.com/2007/07/initrd-and-initramfs-with-oe-snippet-1.html Jul 19 15:47:19 But what you don't cover is how to build a rootfs image and initrd image concurrently Jul 19 15:47:25 Any dumbass can make an initrd Jul 19 15:50:47 what you miss is words "series" and "first post" Jul 19 15:51:01 besides, there's no need to do that "concurrently" Jul 19 15:54:19 sure there is Jul 19 15:54:41 why should i have two completely seperate environments to build two things that will end up together anyway? Jul 19 15:54:59 that's not exactly "concurrently" Jul 19 15:55:26 and that's not exactly the "need" either :) Jul 19 15:55:42 so basically you figured out how to make a cpio Jul 19 15:56:06 no, basically, he blogged on how to make a cpio. Jul 19 15:56:26 even better Jul 19 15:56:46 too be fully exact, I finally finding time to describe changes I have done to OE over last few months ;-) Jul 19 15:56:51 He did point it out explicitly that it's just a first post. Jul 19 15:57:49 And I don't really understand why this particular urge to criticize his work in what I find somewhat unnice way, even if you don't or can't benefit from it. Jul 19 15:58:17 np, I love to make fun of others' blog posts too ;-)) Jul 19 15:58:36 I hate blogging as a phenomenon. Jul 19 15:58:56 But I hate to apply it to any particular post or poster. Jul 19 15:59:05 my aim is obviously to make sure that who need it can reach it, anything else doesn't matter ;-) Jul 19 15:59:40 Yeah, I was thinking about setting up something like that (not really blog, because the timeline doesn't matter at all), just for the benefit of googlers. Jul 19 15:59:52 polyonymous: you won't believe, but I pretty much coerced me to start that blog, and only after seeing that there's indeed communication bottleneck among different developers ;-) Jul 19 16:00:30 Well, psokolovsky, in fact my attitude towards blogs is very much influenced by non-tech and actually no-subject bloggers. Jul 19 16:00:54 I was just disappointed - there are many problems with building initrds in OE Jul 19 16:00:59 I had hoped that some of those had been solved Jul 19 16:01:02 ah, yep, just remember livejournal junkies ;-E Jul 19 16:01:11 CosmicPenguin, wait for continuation :) Jul 19 16:01:34 yup, the avant garde of the sheer stupidity :) Jul 19 16:01:34 Have you figured out a smart way to mix C libraries? Jul 19 16:01:57 re Jul 19 16:12:10 XorA|guadec: heh, angstrom-x11-image also fails. busybox: Error: CONTROL/conffiles mentions conffile /etc/syslog.conf Jul 19 16:12:55 which does not exist. weird, because it's in files/ and in busybox.inc Jul 19 16:23:29 ifeq ($(UNAME_M),i386) Jul 19 16:23:30 BRUTEFIR_OBJS += $(BRUTEFIR_IA32_OBJS) Jul 19 16:23:39 math people shouldn't write makefiles Jul 19 16:46:24 good evening! Jul 19 16:47:26 One question, how can I alter the size of the generated image for angstrom, say to have 128MB Jul 19 16:51:48 have allready inserted "EXTRA_IMAGECMD_ext2 = '-b 120000' " into machine description. Jul 19 16:52:38 uncompressed image size is now roughly 125M, but gpe sysinfo still shows 63M Jul 19 16:53:14 jan_js: there's special vars to control size of some image formats, see bitbake.conf Jul 19 16:53:44 o.k. I'll have a look there, thanks ! Jul 19 16:57:50 psokolovsky_: in bitbake/conf/bitbake.conf I cannot find anything indicating image file size Jul 19 16:58:56 hm what IMAGE_ROOTFS_SIZE_ext2 ?= "65536" would mean then? Jul 19 17:03:23 psokolovsky_: probably what I am looking for, but maybe there are more than one bitbake.conf ? I didn't find it in mine. Jul 19 17:04:16 jan_js: there's always default one in org.openembedded.dev/conf/bitbake.conf Jul 19 17:05:03 psokolovsky_: o.k, so I checked the wrong bitbake.con under the bitbake dir tree. Thanks anyway ! Jul 19 17:25:00 03philippe 07org.oe.dev * rc061aa64... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-gpe.bb): Jul 19 17:25:00 task-gpe : replace gaim by pidgin Jul 19 17:25:00 * replace gaim by pidgin due to cvs issues with gaim Jul 19 17:25:00 * replace gaim by pidgin as this is the new name of the project Jul 19 17:27:48 hmm, how can I make a package depend on a certain version of another packages Jul 19 17:28:10 Philippe: DEPENDS - can't Jul 19 17:29:47 psokolovsky_: damn... Jul 19 17:30:15 thrcut uses internally during the build libnet 1.0.2a Jul 19 17:30:36 which barfs as it seems to get configured wrongly Jul 19 17:30:53 however when you build libnet-1.0.2a thrcut builds fine Jul 19 17:31:26 unfortunately there is a later version of libnet that gets build that thrcut ignores... Jul 19 17:32:33 well, maybe PREFERRED_VERSION could help, if there're solid grounds why newer version shouldn't be used Jul 19 17:33:21 mhh, just looked at libnet and it seems to apply a number of patches which solve the problem I see with thrcut. Maybe if I add those patches to thrcut it will work.... Jul 19 17:41:57 XorA|guadec: btw, my missing syslog.conf file build problem is related to the dbg package. It probably has some significance. Any ideas? Jul 19 17:42:12 (busybox build) Jul 19 18:30:18 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rb70436c0... 10/ (1 packages/qte/qte-common_2.3.10.inc): Jul 19 18:30:18 qte 2.3.10: WARNING_UNKNOWN_DEVICE is not referenced anywhere, remove. Jul 19 18:30:18 * Instead, add QT_QWS_IPAQ, which actually means "include support for Jul 19 18:30:18 generic pda/handheld device". Jul 19 18:30:22 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * re3a9ffca... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): qte 2.3.10: Remove overrides which are superfluous after latest changes. Jul 19 18:32:32 polyonymous: smart, eh? ^^^ Jul 19 18:32:44 !oebug 2668 Jul 19 18:33:18 lemme see Jul 19 18:33:25 cdbot2: wazzup? Jul 19 18:33:36 polyonymous: well, and that bug's for you ;-) Jul 19 18:33:40 no worries, I'm there :) Jul 19 18:34:21 polyonymous: (sorry to bother you, you told you have busy time, but it just itches to get ground-level perfect opie for release ;-) ) Jul 19 18:35:17 no worries, busy times mostly mean that I can't well, say, code anymore projects concurrently, but it doesn't imply my inability to build and test while coding other stuff :) Jul 19 18:35:59 opie needs a lot of love for kernel 2.6 Jul 19 18:36:12 woglinde, and just a lot of love :) Jul 19 18:36:28 woglinde: actually, few last kisses now ;-) Jul 19 18:36:56 psokolovsky_, I haven't explored everything yet, but have you not forgotten the remove-unused-kbhandler.patch? Jul 19 18:37:13 no, you haven't :) Jul 19 18:37:48 yep ;-) Jul 19 18:38:19 but other packages in oe needs love too also Jul 19 18:41:24 * polyonymous bakes Jul 19 18:42:42 ~ping Laibsch Jul 19 18:42:43 pong Laibsch Jul 19 18:49:09 ~ping ibot Jul 19 18:49:10 pong ibot Jul 19 19:01:04 psokolovsky_, works for me Jul 19 19:01:17 polyonymous: WOW!!! Jul 19 19:01:22 thanks! Jul 19 19:01:29 we're close to clear ;-) Jul 19 19:01:49 indeed :) Jul 19 19:02:14 hm what works? Jul 19 19:02:26 machine-independent qte Jul 19 19:02:34 oh Jul 19 19:07:12 now update to qt 2.3.13 :) Jul 19 19:08:29 hm? Jul 19 19:10:06 if you need reasons, 13 is my lucky number Jul 19 19:10:23 ah Jul 19 19:10:28 qt-embedded-2.3.10-free.tar.gz Jul 19 19:10:32 actually every number in R and n-tuples of R are my lucky number :) Jul 19 19:10:36 zecke duped me Jul 19 19:10:54 woglinde: there is at least a 2.3.12 Jul 19 19:13:15 zecke: URL? ;-) Jul 19 19:14:22 rsync rsync://rsync.trolltech.com Jul 19 19:14:38 but from our collective experience it is better to stay with 2.3.10 Jul 19 19:14:50 heh, need release link for .13 or at least .12 ;-) Jul 19 19:14:59 I guess ;-) Jul 19 19:15:02 the other copies are within the qtopia2 package and have features like broken transparent image support Jul 19 19:16:40 woglinde: my custom touchscreen calibration is done Jul 19 19:16:49 woglinde: it is so simple I assume it is wrong :) Jul 19 19:20:04 zecke what? Jul 19 19:20:21 what the hell has webkit to do with touchscreen Jul 19 19:21:17 woglinde: I always wondered why tslib is so complicated :) Jul 19 19:21:40 hm is it? Jul 19 19:21:46 I never looked into it Jul 19 19:21:59 it is a stupid LGS... Jul 19 19:22:24 3 points, 3 unknown :) Jul 19 19:22:43 or six coordinates and six unknown Jul 19 19:23:02 so the soultion is always true? Jul 19 21:10:34 psokolovsky_: nick initramfs article! The rdinit tip is useful. Jul 19 21:10:43 gahh, *nice Jul 19 21:11:15 thanks ;-) Jul 19 21:11:39 cbrake: just committing cool initramfs scripts, too Jul 19 21:12:03 hm which article? Jul 19 21:12:12 hehe Jul 19 21:43:25 03Alex 07org.oe.dev * r2af2a7fc... 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) Jul 19 21:43:25 initramfs: New modular initramfs for booting kernel from various media. Jul 19 21:43:25 * Design principles: Jul 19 21:43:25 * This initramfs just mounts roots and runs init on it, nothing else. Jul 19 21:43:25 * Whenever possible, existing kernel parameters are used. When extended Jul 19 21:43:26 boot methods are provided, new parameters mimick/adhere to existing Jul 19 21:43:28 conventions. Jul 19 21:43:32 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rfdf6b219... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): initramfs-minimal-image: Keep sample recipe with PACKAGE_INSTALL_NO_DEPS = "1". Jul 19 21:43:43 03Alex 07org.oe.dev * rb51ef160... 10/ (1 packages/images/initramfs-image.bb): initramfs-image: Revamped image for modular initramfs. Jul 19 21:43:47 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rcded186b... 10/ (1 packages/images/initramfs-image.bb): initramfs-image: Do not depend on kernel modules. Jul 19 21:43:52 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r40ab4dba... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): initramfs-module-nfs: Make it actually mount NFS by using the same option as kernel does. Jul 19 21:43:54 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r63e3a022... 10/ (1 packages/initrdscripts/initramfs-nfsboot_0.2.bb): initramfs-nfsboot: Remove, superseded by initramfs-module-nfs. Jul 19 21:44:00 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r6632df74... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Jul 19 21:44:02 initramfs-jffs2: Initramfs to boot from jffs2 ramdisk. Jul 19 21:44:06 * jffs2 ramdisk == mtdram device Jul 19 21:44:07 nice Jul 19 21:44:08 * jffs2 is included in initramfs Jul 19 21:44:10 * This is core of LiveRamdisk technology Jul 19 21:57:55 psokolovsky_ why did you nail down nfs to v2? Jul 19 21:57:58 that suckz Jul 19 21:58:18 in nfsboot.sh Jul 19 21:59:25 n8 Jul 19 21:59:37 nite zecke Jul 19 21:59:59 woglinde: that's how kernel does it Jul 19 22:00:14 hm the kernel dont nail nfs down to v2 Jul 19 22:00:25 hm Jul 19 22:00:28 or do Jul 19 22:00:32 check yourself ;-) Jul 19 22:00:38 but any way you lost a lot of speed Jul 19 22:00:57 and now nearly all mountd speaks v3 Jul 19 22:01:07 and you can try how v3 would do (hint: somehow it doesn't at all here with default nfsd install on gentoo) Jul 19 22:01:51 I doubt that for small rootfs usage there're any speed issues Jul 19 22:02:09 hm Jul 19 22:10:40 hi Jul 19 22:12:31 hm Jul 19 22:13:00 uclibc opie-16mb image install me header-crap Jul 19 22:48:45 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * ra3c29639... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): uclibc-0.9.29: Add palmz31 config (generic PXA of course). Jul 19 22:48:50 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r88882b5a... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): uclibc-0.9.29: Add config for palmld (generic PXA27x). Jul 19 22:48:54 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r2d7a4954... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): uclibc-0.9.29: Add config for palmz72 (generic PXA27x). Jul 19 23:38:30 mhmmm... did anyone tried to run a static binary from nand console on a zaurus ? Jul 19 23:39:09 I'm trying to resize my / partition but the console says "not found" each time I tried to run the binary Jul 19 23:39:16 it *is* there :) Jul 19 23:39:21 ls proves it ;) Jul 19 23:39:57 there is no ldd so I cannot say if this is really a static bin Jul 19 23:42:02 or angstrom binary aren't compatible with nand console because of eabi ? Jul 19 23:44:29 better asking on #angstrom I guess :) Jul 19 23:54:26 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rce777cbe... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Jul 19 23:54:26 fftw: add support for building multiple flavours of fftw Jul 19 23:54:26 * packaging needs to be looked at Jul 19 23:54:30 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r1e9c9dd7... 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): bruteFIR: add 1.0i Jul 19 23:57:56 Crofton|home: http://cr.yp.to/djbfft.html Jul 19 23:59:59 * koen wants an fft benchmark that doesn't require fortran... Jul 20 00:01:16 hmm... is it true that restricting system to flash access wouldn't make it consume less power? I thought it would... Jul 20 00:02:14 if flash would have faster or equal read speed as disk, it would Jul 20 00:02:17 but it doesn't Jul 20 00:02:53 with flash you have to do zlib, which is sloooooooooooooooooooow on arm Jul 20 00:03:08 hmm Jul 20 00:03:29 it all seems (to me) about speed which is undoubtfully better on disk, but power? Jul 20 00:03:47 well, zlib might justify power consumption, though Jul 20 00:04:08 if you can read a 6MB file in 5 seconds on disk or in 10 seconds on NAND, you use 5 seconds of CPU + backlight less Jul 20 00:04:57 no, that's wrong calculation, I have backlight and cpu always on, anyway. Jul 20 00:05:00 time e.g. start abiword, load up big document, reformat table Jul 20 00:05:26 Again, I know flash is slower. Jul 20 00:05:33 any palm linux users here? Jul 20 00:05:39 But I thought the battery would last longer. Jul 20 00:06:14 polyonymous: you don't gain anything if the battery lasts longer if you have to spend more time waiting Jul 20 00:06:42 koen, ah, okay, so it does last longer? I think you do gain in case of, say, ebook reading. Jul 20 00:07:01 well, *if* it lasts longer, which I highly doubt Jul 20 00:07:09 that is - of course it depends on the usage pattern. Jul 20 00:07:18 (since you loose lots of ram to jff2's inode tree as well) Jul 20 00:08:07 there's nothing stopping people from using the flash, the jffs2 files are there Jul 20 00:08:19 ah ok. I thought your statement implies that flash is equally power-consuming, which seems to be not the case. Other than that I'm not going to spend the rest of my life trying to gain a few minutes of battery m ore :) Jul 20 00:09:01 Yeah, I was thinking about putting ebooks on flash, since that's about all I access when reading ebook for a long. Never bothered to do it either. Jul 20 00:09:15 So, my interest is purely theoretical Jul 20 00:09:22 a sane reader would buffer it to ram as well Jul 20 00:09:33 and MDs power down after ~3 seconds Jul 20 00:09:38 (at least mine does) Jul 20 00:09:46 koen, opie-reader is the best, but when it comes to internals it's far from being sane :) Jul 20 00:10:08 I've been playing with the iRex iliad the past few days Jul 20 00:10:17 now *that* is a cool ebook reader Jul 20 00:10:20 are there any opie tools for testing a palm battery Jul 20 00:10:20 ipdf? Jul 20 00:10:25 to see if it's worn out Jul 20 00:10:28 runtime test or something Jul 20 00:10:50 polyonymous: yeah, it's ipdf, but the e-ink screen rocks Jul 20 00:10:58 b/w though. Jul 20 00:11:11 16bit gray Jul 20 00:11:16 yeah Jul 20 00:11:23 beats 1 bit books :) Jul 20 00:11:40 well as just an ebook reader, it should rock, but eur 600? Jul 20 00:11:45 for just an ebook reader? Jul 20 00:12:06 opie reader is pretty decent for plucker files Jul 20 00:12:06 650 even Jul 20 00:12:11 on the other hand, a5-sized ebook reader has always been my dream... Jul 20 00:12:12 now I just need a good pdf solution Jul 20 00:12:18 looks like in palm os or linux there isn't one Jul 20 00:12:21 flyback-, qpdf2? Jul 20 00:12:24 oh Jul 20 00:12:26 * flyback- writes it down Jul 20 00:12:30 does it do resizing Jul 20 00:12:33 so it fits the screen Jul 20 00:12:36 that's the one thing I am missing Jul 20 00:12:41 otherwise xpdf is decent Jul 20 00:12:51 flyback-, I think it does. Don't remember though. It's pretty much broken, but sometimes works pretty well :) Jul 20 00:12:51 and as for xpdf for palm os well it's more unstable than I am Jul 20 00:12:51 :P Jul 20 00:12:52 for x use epdfview Jul 20 00:13:06 actually I DO NOT mind even having to use a conduit Jul 20 00:13:08 650 is even worse... Jul 20 00:13:11 to preprocess the files on a pc Jul 20 00:13:25 to resize them like adobe AFRObat did Jul 20 00:13:30 pfd2txt? :) Jul 20 00:13:55 i'd like to keep the diagrams and text genius :P Jul 20 00:14:01 otherwise I would have done that years ago Jul 20 00:14:05 I watched tf being in agony while trying to package ps2html Jul 20 00:14:06 ohwell, maybe once I get a job I'll buy iliad :) Jul 20 00:14:07 I mean diagrams and pictures Jul 20 00:14:33 What I like about qpdf is annotatability. Jul 20 00:14:48 other than that it would probably suck. Jul 20 00:15:10 koen, I take it there's no chance of getting ipdf into oe? Jul 20 00:15:40 polyonymous: check the bugtracker :) Jul 20 00:15:51 irex is pushing their OE patches back Jul 20 00:15:57 yes, I've seen that. Jul 20 00:16:23 But ipdf seems to have some deps that don't seem to available? Jul 20 00:16:41 what a few days for matthijs to get back home :) Jul 20 00:17:01 what==wait? Jul 20 00:17:07 ehm, yes Jul 20 00:17:12 ah sounds good. Jul 20 00:17:59 then goodnight everybody. Jul 20 00:18:02 * polyonymous is gone to sleep Jul 20 00:18:06 'night all Jul 20 00:18:18 koen: my xserver-kdrive build doesn't build (empty archive) xserver-kdrive-w100 Jul 20 00:18:43 koen: zzz :) later Jul 20 00:27:42 tnb: no advice apart for "don't use bitbake -i, bitbake 1.6.x or bitbake 1.9.x" Jul 20 00:58:52 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r47235423... 10/ (1 packages/qte/qte-common_2.3.10.inc): Jul 20 00:58:52 qte 2.3.10: Get rid of ipaq vs zaurus dichotomy, it's all 2.4 FUD. Jul 20 00:58:52 * Tested on Z by Michael Krelin. Jul 20 00:58:52 * Closes #2668 Jul 20 00:58:56 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r4d3e78f0... 10/ (1 packages/qte/qte-mt_2.3.10.bb): qte-mt 2.3.10: Bump PR. Jul 20 01:39:30 koen: what happened with bitbake -i? this is version 1.8.6 Jul 20 01:39:48 seems everything builds except for the w100 version of kdrive Jul 20 01:51:00 koen: btw, it's hx4700 machine Jul 20 01:56:57 koen: ah, looks like I need a preferred version of 1.2, since 1.3 comment says no w100 patch yet **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 20 02:59:56 2007