**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 01 02:59:57 2007 Aug 01 03:23:10 hello. i did an mtn pull today and noticed changes from openmoko. and now the builds are showing errors in the bb files from openmoko. Aug 01 06:54:14 happy mailman day everyone Aug 01 06:55:37 is it national mailing list day again? Aug 01 07:06:18 the 1st of every month Aug 01 07:06:41 http://www.murrayc.com/blog/permalink/2007/07/31/scratchbox-moving-target/ Aug 01 07:08:58 * * OE Bug 2705 has been created by joaquinduran(AT)adtelecom.es Aug 01 07:09:00 * * Updating cups .bb files Aug 01 07:09:02 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2705 Aug 01 07:09:15 koen: except for the ones that come on the 15th Aug 01 07:09:52 ah, that explains it Aug 01 07:10:01 koen: how do you feel about version numbers , do you like "versioned" libs? Aug 01 07:10:33 you mean libfoo.so.5.3 ? Aug 01 07:12:48 in the blog post in the url they talk about how good gtk does it with version numbers of libs. Aug 01 07:13:34 Please be like GNOME: Dont use even minor version numbers for unstable releases, and dont change or add features or API without increasing the minor version number. Sometimes it means more work for you, but it makes life easier for users. Aug 01 07:14:14 I think he means 'micro' instead of 'minor' somewhere Aug 01 07:14:39 gnome does 2..x is unstable and 2..x is stable Aug 01 07:15:12 API remains the same within a given 2. range Aug 01 07:15:14 just like linux used to do Aug 01 07:15:20 yes Aug 01 07:18:24 btw I don't dislike sbox, I just would like to be able to "generate" one. Aug 01 07:28:17 the recent scratchbox' with the menu are pretty nice Aug 01 07:28:29 but I'm not a developer, I'm a packager Aug 01 07:28:45 "easy compiling" means nothing to me Aug 01 07:29:31 Excuse me to interrupt but i still have the same problem as reported yesterday with gtk+-2.10.14 when bitbaking angstrom-x11-image. The log is reported here http://pastebin.com/d9c1c9b0 Aug 01 07:35:33 Someone can help me with that ? I made no modifications to my OE installation so it should come from OE. (I manage to bitbake x11 image last week) Aug 01 07:38:07 koen: your not a packager your a guru Aug 01 07:54:59 * koen watches http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1921156852099786640 Aug 01 08:03:59 * * OE Bug 2706 has been created by vermaas(AT)jmdejong.nl Aug 01 08:04:01 * * compulab with 2.6.20 cannot build jffs2 image Aug 01 08:04:03 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2706 Aug 01 08:11:58 * * OE Bug 2707 has been created by vermaas(AT)jmdejong.nl Aug 01 08:12:00 * * compulab 2.6.20 kernel needs eabi Aug 01 08:12:02 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2707 Aug 01 08:12:54 morning all Aug 01 08:13:10 hi RP Aug 01 08:13:17 hi XorA Aug 01 08:15:03 morning Aug 01 08:17:43 morning zecke Aug 01 08:23:40 moin Aug 01 08:24:25 hi Aug 01 08:27:39 03florian 07org.oe.dev * re6e0ebae... 10/ (1 packages/libsoundgen/libsoundgen_0.6.bb): libsoundgen: add 0.6 Aug 01 08:27:45 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r3cf32549... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): gpe-calendar: Add 0.91 and update SVN recipe accordingly. Aug 01 08:44:00 morning Aug 01 08:44:33 morning Aug 01 08:51:22 hrw : morning, check email Aug 01 08:57:09 I got it Aug 01 08:57:16 steliosk: thx for information Aug 01 09:10:19 steliosk: I still searching for case for it so no problem for me Aug 01 09:13:11 hrw : we are lucky that it did not get lost Aug 01 09:13:38 hrw : i have given it to our secretary. it will be send today again Aug 01 09:13:51 ok Aug 01 09:13:52 got to go. cu later Aug 01 09:14:22 cu steliosk Aug 01 09:19:53 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r0f5e76a0... 10/ (1 packages/uboot/uboot-gta01_svn.bb): uboot-gta01: deployed files are not executable so use -m 0644 during installing them Aug 01 09:32:59 * * OE Bug 2708 has been created by mael.boutin(AT)gmail.com Aug 01 09:33:00 * * Package gtk+-2.10.14-r1 fails to compile Aug 01 09:33:03 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2708 Aug 01 09:34:15 hu? Aug 01 09:35:12 hm Aug 01 09:35:26 gtk2-14r1 compiled fine yesterday Aug 01 09:35:33 woglinde: it fails on fedora Aug 01 09:35:38 atleast with uclibc Aug 01 09:35:42 why? Aug 01 09:35:49 I have no idea Aug 01 09:35:52 old problem? hostheader sneaks in? Aug 01 09:35:53 woglinde, see the bug ;) I don't know why it fails Aug 01 09:36:39 did you look how the variables get defined? Aug 01 09:37:52 woglinde, i m not an expert, all i can say is that everything is fine with gtk2.10.14-r0 on my Fedora host Aug 01 09:38:12 hms I have no acess to sourcecide here Aug 01 09:39:01 You want a diff between the too .bb files ? I don't know if it can help you ;) Aug 01 09:39:17 maybe patch think Aug 01 09:39:36 but its defintion of the variables Aug 01 09:41:51 woglinde, you re asking me something ? sorry i don't understand you :D Aug 01 09:42:25 KhemWork: NOTE: package eglibc-2.6+svn2969-r0: task do_configure: completed :) Aug 01 09:44:52 hm Aug 01 09:45:01 koen: eglibc? Aug 01 09:45:10 XorA: http://eglibc.org/mission Aug 01 09:45:36 NOTE: package eglibc-2.6+svn2969-r0: task do_compile: failed Aug 01 09:45:56 ERROR: your system is not embedded :-) Aug 01 09:46:39 I bet it's because I didn't use the do_compile from glibc Aug 01 09:49:00 hm Aug 01 09:49:02 till latzer Aug 01 10:59:27 hmm, im tring compile a noew kernel (default kernel of oe) but i got this error Aug 01 10:59:42 cp: cannot stat `/home/psycoman/oe/org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/linux/defconfig': No such file or directory Aug 01 10:59:59 kernel compile need some special task before compile ? Aug 01 11:35:10 RP, hrw: congrats on poky 3.0 Aug 01 11:39:06 thx koen Aug 01 11:39:34 koen, do we have examples of solutions to libtool relink problems? Aug 01 11:40:12 koen: thanks :) Aug 01 11:40:49 Crofton|home: not that I know off Aug 01 11:42:56 any plans to integrate the fingerscroll thingy with mb-desktop-2 ? Aug 01 11:47:38 * Crofton|home needs to get libnetfilter_queue built .... Aug 01 11:48:25 hmm, gnash is added? Aug 01 11:50:54 Crofton|home: don't look at the .bb, it will make your eyes bleed Aug 01 11:50:59 heh Aug 01 11:51:03 does ot work? Aug 01 11:51:15 why do I have a do_configure with Aug 01 11:51:18 why CONFIG_FB_PXA_LCD_QVGA=y is set in spitz defconf if it is vga device ? Aug 01 11:51:43 gnu-configuze, oe_runconf Aug 01 11:51:55 Crofton|home: it builds Aug 01 11:52:08 psycoman: that option makes it possible to switch to qvga mode Aug 01 11:52:17 I am copyiong this from somewhere, trying to make sure I am not being an idiot Aug 01 11:52:51 bother srvrev parsing errors Aug 01 11:53:13 RP: is .dev going to require bitbake 1.8.7 now? Aug 01 11:53:40 Crofton|home: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-August/002653.html Aug 01 11:53:47 koen: No, not until we have a 1.8.8 stable release Aug 01 11:54:04 RP: then why are svn packages using SRCREV already? Aug 01 11:54:39 koen: Ask the person who committed that, I specifically asked for that not to happen yet Aug 01 11:54:56 RP: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-August/002653.html Aug 01 11:55:00 still no answer Aug 01 11:55:08 looks like openmoko-feedreader2 Aug 01 11:55:09 I added some emphasis to your quotes Aug 01 11:55:22 * Crofton|home is upgrading bb .... Aug 01 11:55:49 koen: I think mickeyl has just committed that accidentally. We can remove it and all will be well again Aug 01 11:56:05 ~/alrt mickey|zzZZzz Aug 01 11:56:44 The fix I committed yesterday should hopefully have quietened errors from bitbake < 1.8.7 too... Aug 01 11:57:01 today I have to go to a meeting where we will discus stable versus development branch maintenance Aug 01 11:57:44 Crofton|home: mention autobuilds Aug 01 11:57:53 I will Aug 01 11:58:11 I am trying to get the undergrad to figure out buildbot Aug 01 11:58:22 bother newer bitbake hung Aug 01 11:59:03 bother haning at 2943/4900 guess I need to nuke tmp Aug 01 12:00:35 i have troubles with mplayer and pxa_overlay Aug 01 12:00:37 http://pastebin.com/m57637808 Aug 01 12:00:40 newer bitbake is making my PC rattle Aug 01 12:01:13 2 problems in pastbin, firts lines koen-in :), and 458 invalid argument in ioctl Aug 01 12:01:38 i used mplayer with iwmmxt arch Aug 01 12:01:44 psycoman: it looks like you video is too big Aug 01 12:01:55 AFAIK pxa overlay can't do 640x480 Aug 01 12:02:04 psycoman: ask XorA or Tim Chick Aug 01 12:02:18 320x240 is safe Aug 01 12:03:14 ok i will try re-encode to test Aug 01 12:03:50 someone should just write an xv driver for it Aug 01 12:04:22 * RP knows someone ideal for that job and will continue to persuade them ;-) Aug 01 12:04:29 RP: ;D Aug 01 12:04:47 iirc he has hardware even Aug 01 12:05:16 hrw: yes, he has Aug 01 12:09:15 tf, djodji? Aug 01 12:10:36 um Aug 01 12:10:47 bitbake is hanging for me while parsing Aug 01 12:10:53 I did nuke tmp Aug 01 12:10:55 wait Aug 01 12:11:00 going again Aug 01 12:11:17 * Crofton|home is not sure he is a fan of yet another sql database Aug 01 12:13:58 pxa overlay will play 480x640, but SLOWLY Aug 01 12:14:53 did we ever tempt sirfred to finish TOSA accellerator? Aug 01 12:19:47 he lack time Aug 01 12:20:44 Koen: my avrs arrived Aug 01 12:20:59 Hrw: my avrs arrived Aug 01 12:21:19 hrw: thats a pity Aug 01 12:21:52 gerwinin: koen is our avr32 mastah Aug 01 12:22:10 gerwinin: as he has working stuff Aug 01 12:22:10 XorA: 640x480 not ? Aug 01 12:22:11 XorA, do you know how voice gets to the gsm modem in openmoko Aug 01 12:23:27 Marex: ping Aug 01 12:23:38 see you guys Aug 01 12:29:16 drmikecrowe, pong Aug 01 12:31:25 XorA: i put a 320x240 video with -vo pxa but it olny show a black retangle in left botton corner. Aug 01 12:31:45 is pxa overlay broken in 2.6.21 for spitz ? Aug 01 12:42:09 * XorA hasnt tried it on 2.6.21, but it shouldnt have changed Aug 01 12:43:11 psycoman: i think its related that xrandr -s 320x240 doesn't work on spitz Aug 01 12:54:06 wirelessdreamer: its totally unrelatede Aug 01 12:55:26 =| i was always under the impression that the overlay driver was related to why we couldn't get 320x240 working under the 2.6 kernels Aug 01 12:55:58 wirelessdreamer: 320x240 works fine, we just missig about 10 lines of code in kdrive to allow you to change mode Aug 01 12:56:07 have a patch? :) Aug 01 12:56:30 wirelessdreamer: no, I fscked it up when I did it last time, but thanks to sirfred I know what I fscked, I just need to redo it Aug 01 12:57:02 wirelessdreamer: fbset -x 240 -y 320 -n; Xfbdev for a laugh Aug 01 12:57:41 i have an fb.modes file with qvga defined it i was going to attach to a bug report so we could do fbset with names instead of numbers, not sure if anyone will care though Aug 01 12:58:05 wirelessdreamer: submit it, I am interested when I get time Aug 01 12:58:17 when i tried starting like that my touchscreen wasn't calibrated Aug 01 12:58:31 wirelessdreamer: X doesnt know how to scale ts :-( Aug 01 12:58:45 XorA: iirc with RP's patches it does Aug 01 12:59:10 koen: are they in OE Aug 01 12:59:20 no, only in poky Aug 01 12:59:27 koen: ah somethine else for me to look at Aug 01 12:59:33 * XorA needs time Aug 01 12:59:35 poky has had a massive clean up wrt X recipes Aug 01 13:00:25 Im sure that will get looked at in Oct then :-) Aug 01 13:01:41 hi Aug 01 13:02:30 hey Bernardo Aug 01 13:04:58 * * OE Bug 2709 has been created by jbs(AT)bandos.homelinux.com Aug 01 13:05:01 * * opie-usermanager 1.2.3 doesn't fetch Aug 01 13:05:03 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2709 Aug 01 13:06:51 kmode.patch in poky? Aug 01 13:08:02 and kdrive-vidmemarea.patch Aug 01 13:11:25 then spitz cannot play videos with pxa :( Aug 01 13:11:44 * koen gets an caffeine injection Aug 01 13:12:19 so in actual state spitz cannot play files in 320 and 640 modes ;( Aug 01 13:17:14 psycoman: it used to work, we will just have to figure out why it stopped working Aug 01 13:19:49 fbset qvga; mplayer -vo fbsev -fbmode qvga -cf rotate=1,crop:240:320 -fs -framedrom -vm -cache 8192 -really-quiet MOVIENAME Aug 01 13:21:48 XorA: is better open a OE bug ? Aug 01 13:23:07 psycoman: a bug is always best way to report bugs Aug 01 13:23:25 ok i will do now Aug 01 13:23:53 what information is relevant to the bug ? Aug 01 13:24:23 a description of how to repeat it including a 10s snippet of video file that causes, legal only please Aug 01 13:24:58 i have user koen fingerscroll video ^^ Aug 01 13:25:05 s/user/used Aug 01 13:25:18 then just a link to that will do :-) Aug 01 13:26:09 XorA: another question not about video player, exist a pda with a good video performance for X interface ? Aug 01 13:26:18 psycoman: C7x0 Aug 01 13:26:32 in my spitz i see the draw process in window :( Aug 01 13:27:53 and outside zaurus world ? Aug 01 13:33:13 psycoman: no idea I only own Zaurus Aug 01 13:34:03 psycoman: at least you know that on the spitz it will work (eventually). On akita pxa fb hasn't worked yet Aug 01 13:34:50 Bernardo: well never worked for me. Aug 01 13:34:54 psycoman: i got artifacts on a 320x240 video in x on my spitz, but when i used -framedrop they went away and it played clean in a window Aug 01 13:34:57 Bernardo: in myy spitz Aug 01 13:34:58 * * OE Bug 2710 has been created by waldecir(AT)gmail.com Aug 01 13:35:00 * * mplayer dont work with -vo pxa in Spitz Aug 01 13:35:02 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2710 Aug 01 13:35:16 wirelessdreamer: what command line ? Aug 01 13:35:38 for me on the akita it just crashes with the screen "washing out" to white Aug 01 13:35:43 wirelessdreamer: i get only a black rectangle no artefacts Aug 01 13:36:09 running mplayer -framedrop moviename in x? Aug 01 13:36:13 no vo module Aug 01 13:36:40 i get the washout with -vo pxa Aug 01 13:36:52 but when i use a normal driver i can watch it in a window in x Aug 01 13:36:59 and fullscreen on console Aug 01 13:38:27 wirelessdreamer: i tried: mplayer -framedrop /tmp/neo-scroll.avi and its block my pda Aug 01 13:38:58 but with other video its worked Aug 01 13:39:17 then i can play video without pxa right ? Aug 01 13:40:29 wirelessdreamer: you have a akita? Aug 01 13:42:12 well the fact is, pxa dosent work right now for sl-cxxx models Aug 01 13:42:56 morning Aug 01 13:43:38 wirelessdreamer: I tried your command line, but my mplayer doesn't like -cf Aug 01 13:43:44 i can play movies without -vo pxa but it play so slow... Aug 01 13:47:53 ok, with "-vf" and not cf, it just exits... And fbset complains of a missing /etc/fb.modes. Aug 01 13:51:26 RP: PV = "0.0.2+git${SRCREV}" uses the local rev counter or the actual git revision? Aug 01 14:03:47 hello all, Q: why does klibc depend on perl-native? Aug 01 14:05:32 no idea, but it doesn't build anyway :( Aug 01 14:06:11 <_law_> does anyone know if there is a git function to remove the whole git stuff from sources? to build a release... Aug 01 14:06:50 _law_: hmm, that would be the equivalent to cvs export (i'm a git noob, but you can search for 'export') Aug 01 14:07:22 koen: ok, checking to see if it builds with this older snapshot we use now Aug 01 14:07:38 Koen: my avr boards arrived Aug 01 14:07:51 hi gerwinin Aug 01 14:07:52 Likewise: hey ! Aug 01 14:08:02 Likewise: everything going fine ? Aug 01 14:08:20 gerwinin: yes, we are in heavy development mode here Aug 01 14:08:37 Likewise: what are you developing ? Aug 01 14:08:48 gerwinin: and Freescale just showed their roadmap to us which has embedded PowerPC processors with PCI Express! Aug 01 14:08:56 whee Aug 01 14:09:18 even in production Aug 01 14:09:24 Likewise: I will be in freescale mode end of august with imx27 Aug 01 14:09:30 psycoman vf not cf sry Aug 01 14:09:49 gerwinin: you should really try to persuade the Freescale people to support the OpenEmbedded group :-) Aug 01 14:10:02 Likewise: I am trying to Aug 01 14:10:26 Likewise: but at this moment no budget to go to conferences and stuff were they are as well Aug 01 14:10:41 gerwinin: not only with the imx27/imx31 but also with MPC8314, MPC8315, MPC8372. Aug 01 14:10:53 Likewise: imx27 is for some wifi videophone Aug 01 14:11:07 Likewise: there is some powerpc congres were stelios is going Aug 01 14:11:08 gerwinin: I have a contact in Taiwan, which manufactures the Freescale dev boards. Aug 01 14:11:27 gerwinin: I asked them about OE support, and they only wanted to give discounts, no free boards Aug 01 14:11:37 Likewise: interesting because that is my next stop in the end of august Aug 01 14:11:51 gerwinin: look for Micetek Aug 01 14:11:59 how much are the boards and how much are the discounts? Aug 01 14:12:06 gerwinin, steliosk is going to the power conference in Austin and talking about OE Aug 01 14:12:07 they design the dev boards Aug 01 14:12:47 ah, those boards Aug 01 14:13:03 koen: will lookup the quote tomorrow or so, too busy now, not really exiting. 30% off or so Aug 01 14:13:27 Crofton: I had contact about that Aug 01 14:13:38 Likewise: I will contact candy for this issue Aug 01 14:14:33 Likewise: I am experimenting a bit with a gui for oe because many chinese and taiwanese asked for that Aug 01 14:14:47 gerwinin: cool Aug 01 14:15:02 gerwinin: I thought about an Eclipse plug-in but no time... Aug 01 14:15:14 and too little people on my team Aug 01 14:16:11 <_law_> likewise: ok thanks Aug 01 14:18:56 psycoman: bug 2711 has a working fb.modes file in it if you need qvga working in the console Aug 01 14:19:59 * * OE Bug 2711 has been created by wirelessdreamer(AT)gmail.com Aug 01 14:20:01 * * add fb.modes to enable qvga resolution in the console Aug 01 14:20:03 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2711 Aug 01 14:20:29 hi all Aug 01 14:24:21 wirelessdreamer: can put the command line again ? this have some issues Aug 01 14:24:51 fbset qvga; mplayer -vo fbsev -fbmode qvga -cf rotate=1,crop:240:320 -fs -framedrom -vm -cache 8192 -really-quiet MOVIENAME Aug 01 14:24:57 change cf to vf Aug 01 14:25:07 that was a misstype Aug 01 14:25:20 that only works in a console btw Aug 01 14:26:00 i have the current angstrom build with 2.6.21 kernel Aug 01 14:26:41 -vo fbdev Aug 01 14:26:49 2 misspellings Aug 01 14:26:54 3 Aug 01 14:26:56 i'll retype Aug 01 14:27:04 psycoman: try a different file, mplayer seems to be busted with mjpeg that koen used Aug 01 14:27:12 wirelessdreamer: how i can switch to console with a gdm :( Aug 01 14:27:19 XorA: i know i get other file and works Aug 01 14:27:20 psycoman: a 3gp file just worked on overlay for me Aug 01 14:27:30 fbset qvga; mplayer -vo fbdev -fbmode qvga -vf rotate=1,crop:240:320 -fs -framedrop -vm -cache 8192 -really-quiet MOVIENAME Aug 01 14:27:36 that one has it all spelled right Aug 01 14:27:56 wirelessdreamer: how swtich to console ? Aug 01 14:28:08 i never made this Aug 01 14:28:30 read bug 2711 and create /etc/fb.modes Aug 01 14:28:36 then fbset qvga Aug 01 14:28:44 that'll change your console res to 320x240 Aug 01 14:28:50 then run the mplayer command Aug 01 14:29:07 yeap i know Aug 01 14:29:09 i have a 320x240 xvid file with mp3 audio i'm playing fullscreen Aug 01 14:29:15 but i dont know how to exit X heheh Aug 01 14:29:23 ctl alt backspace Aug 01 14:29:42 ctrl-alt-bkspc kill x but it reload :/ Aug 01 14:30:10 i modified my startup files pretty heavily =| Aug 01 14:30:36 in gentoo it'd be /etc/init.d/xdm stop, but there isn't a file like that in oe builds, not sure how they start x Aug 01 14:31:54 wirelessdreamer: -vo fbdev dont use pxa overlay right ? Aug 01 14:32:16 it uses the console frame buffer driver Aug 01 14:32:34 i didn't modify my kernel any from the standard bb file in oe Aug 01 14:32:45 so if your current it should work Aug 01 14:33:15 wirelessdreamer: you have compiled you kernel with bitbake linux ? Aug 01 14:33:35 i have everything bitbaked Aug 01 14:34:01 i try but i got a problem Aug 01 14:34:04 I am using the "bibake linux" distro Aug 01 14:34:32 i'm running the e17 image, so i don't have everything built Aug 01 14:34:35 http://pastebin.com/d47f74ec4 Aug 01 14:34:46 my kernel dont build Aug 01 14:35:20 i'll doublecheck and make sure i actually have the current kernel built, sec Aug 01 14:35:43 and bitbake linux try to get file defconfig in file but it dosent exists Aug 01 14:35:59 i put defconfig-spitz in this place Aug 01 14:36:22 mtn pull; mtn up Aug 01 14:36:31 r9 is the current Aug 01 14:36:35 you had r5 Aug 01 14:36:55 just checked my logs 2.6.21-r9 built fine Aug 01 14:37:21 clean it to be safe too Aug 01 14:37:38 Crofton|home: bibake is optimized for dual-core? Aug 01 14:37:47 wirelessdreamer: ok Aug 01 14:37:56 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r21747ec9... 10/ (1 packages/raw-tools packages/raw-tools/exiv2_0.15.bb): exiv2: add exif parsing lib Aug 01 14:38:00 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r6c4727ac... 10/ (1 packages/raw-tools/gtkimageview_1.3.0.bb): gtkimageview: add imageviewing widget Aug 01 14:38:05 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r2fbad62d... 10/ (1 packages/raw-tools/ufraw_0.12.bb): ufraw: add 0.12 Aug 01 14:38:09 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0ccf05ad... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): gtk-sato-engine: add 0.1 from poky Aug 01 14:38:13 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r62c29dcb... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): matchbox-theme-sato: add 0.1 from poky Aug 01 14:38:18 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8596c859... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): sato-icon-theme: add 0.1 from poky Aug 01 14:41:01 i may be missing something obvious, but does anyone know why poky has a seperate repository and metadata then the other oe projects? Aug 01 14:41:43 wirelessdreamer: Option vf: crop:240:320 doesn't exist. Aug 01 14:42:13 wirelessdreamer: see pokylinux.org, the first paragraph explains it Aug 01 14:42:53 psycoman: if you replace the , with a space before crop, it won't complain Aug 01 14:44:32 but for me it will still fail, and if I remove the "-really-quiet" option, I see it's because -fbmode needs -vm (even though there is a -vm on the options, it apparently ignores it) Aug 01 14:45:17 ok, put the -vm after the "-vo fbdev" and it works Aug 01 14:45:51 and shows 320x240 videos full screen with no visible dropped frames or stuttering Aug 01 14:45:58 and no sound, at least on my akita Aug 01 14:46:25 check your log and see if you have the right audio codec for the video format your player Aug 01 14:46:29 *playing Aug 01 14:46:45 I don't have sound on the akita at all Aug 01 14:46:58 i'm not familiar if akita has sound support, as assuming it did =| Aug 01 14:47:02 RP: if you don't need armv5te optimized icons you could add the following commit to poky ;) Aug 01 14:47:03 ok, can't find decoder amr_nb Aug 01 14:47:17 thats a cell phone codec Aug 01 14:47:31 re recode with mp3 imo Aug 01 14:47:35 Maybe the fact I'm trying to play a movie taken with my cell phone doesn't help... :) Aug 01 14:47:36 cant build amr_nb into OE mplayer as its a proprietry codec Aug 01 14:47:39 amr_nb sounds like trash Aug 01 14:47:48 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r78a7a421... 10/ (1 packages/sato-icon-theme/sato-icon-theme_0.1.bb): sato-icon-theme: PACKAGE_ARCH = "all" Aug 01 14:47:53 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r9f731c07... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): matchbox-themes: PACKAGE_ARCH = "all" Aug 01 14:47:57 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r933d6fd2... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libopenraw: add 0.0.2 Aug 01 14:48:13 i use aac audio codec for movies on my cell phone Aug 01 14:48:13 ok, sound playing a "Johny bravo" cartoon capture Aug 01 14:48:29 hey there foxy lady Aug 01 14:48:32 so it seems I have sound on the akita Aug 01 14:48:37 only not on opie Aug 01 14:48:37 grats ;) Aug 01 14:49:07 and only on the headphone... Not on internal speaker Aug 01 14:49:08 i knew akita had 2.4 sound support, was suprised if it didn't at this point in 2.6 Aug 01 14:49:15 alsamixer Aug 01 14:49:19 has an option to change that Aug 01 14:49:39 all the way at the end of the list unmute speaker Aug 01 14:49:53 and make sure its on Aug 01 14:49:58 i have 2 options that need set for it Aug 01 14:50:35 I tried, but... no sound Aug 01 14:50:56 "speaker function" is on Aug 01 14:51:05 speaker volume is at max Aug 01 14:51:19 and speaker playback zc? Aug 01 14:51:48 change the settings on your left and right mixers, mine have to be some on some off for it to play through the speaker Aug 01 14:52:05 akita has a really quiet speaker to start with if remember correctly also Aug 01 14:52:12 I have left on and right off Aug 01 14:52:51 speaker playback zc is off, I tried on and didn't change Aug 01 14:53:10 right mixer on right mixer bypass off Aug 01 14:53:21 each one has those settings also Aug 01 14:53:27 XorA: does http://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=1753&action=edit look ok? Aug 01 14:54:07 koen: looks like it should work, I meant to test it Aug 01 14:54:12 ok, right mixer on was the key Aug 01 14:54:39 and the headphone now works as it should Aug 01 14:54:51 :) Aug 01 14:55:09 how do I generate the alsa state files to add to the bug? Aug 01 14:55:26 etc/asound.state Aug 01 14:55:32 alsactl store -f iirc Aug 01 14:55:37 * koen looks at XorA Aug 01 14:56:06 koen: yep Aug 01 14:56:19 koen: yes, it works Aug 01 14:56:35 * XorA will eventually get time to fix state files for spitz/akita corgi Aug 01 14:56:48 * XorA might be able to do TOSA eventually Aug 01 14:56:56 XorA: I'm about to add mine to bugzilla Aug 01 14:57:18 Bernardo: cheers, saves me lots of checking audio map if I have a working one I can quickly diff Aug 01 14:57:34 * koen searches for a devices with working X Aug 01 14:57:36 want mie too then? Aug 01 14:57:43 *mine Aug 01 14:57:49 c3k Aug 01 14:59:21 koen: git revisions will use a local counter Aug 01 14:59:30 koen: and I will fix the icon theme, thanks :) Aug 01 15:00:03 damn skiving posties Aug 01 15:00:28 * chouimat is bored ... Aug 01 15:02:15 XorA: http://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=1771&action=edit Aug 01 15:04:59 koen: again looks ok, but I dont have time to test right now Aug 01 15:05:25 psycoman: did the patch to xrandr-panel-app.sh make rotation work again? Aug 01 15:08:42 koen: yeap work for me Aug 01 15:09:24 * psycoman -> launch Aug 01 15:10:00 it chaged to work with new xrandr layout Aug 01 15:22:09 hey woglinde Aug 01 15:22:24 hi koen Aug 01 15:32:54 What is the bitbake command to load the linux handheld kernel ? I'd like to load hh14 kernel Aug 01 15:40:59 hey pH5 Aug 01 15:41:13 hej koen Aug 01 15:47:06 hi woglinde Aug 01 15:48:18 hi mrdata Aug 01 15:59:51 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0e8d8b03... 10/ (1 packages/matchbox-wm/matchbox-wm_1.2.bb): matchbox-wm: also package gconf schema Aug 01 15:59:58 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r61d8c9d5... 10/ (1 packages/images/openmoko-image.bb): openmoko-image: add openmoko-games Aug 01 15:59:59 he mickeyl Aug 01 16:00:03 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rebe549ec... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add openmoko-icon-theme-standard2 Aug 01 16:00:04 moin Aug 01 16:00:30 hi mickeyl Aug 01 16:00:39 hi ro Aug 01 16:00:41 ups rp Aug 01 16:00:43 * koen registers for start of term exams Aug 01 16:00:48 hey mickeyl Aug 01 16:00:55 hi woglinde Aug 01 16:00:57 koen which courses you will take? Aug 01 16:01:18 woglinde: no courses, just the exams :) Aug 01 16:01:31 hm okay Aug 01 16:02:07 seems little bit different than at our university Aug 01 16:03:19 woglinde: it are exams for courses people failed before Aug 01 16:04:50 koen hm okay this I know well enough Aug 01 16:05:12 * koen notices tinderbox has 36GB worth of logs Aug 01 16:05:36 koen|away: sure, just run the script to recompress and remove them Aug 01 16:06:27 zecke: tbox_recompress_logs.pl ? Aug 01 16:06:44 koen: and there is another one to remove old logs Aug 01 16:32:35 RP, zecke: how far away are we from a bitbake 1.8.8 release? Aug 01 16:33:11 no idea Aug 01 16:38:08 * koen discovers that nfsroot needs an ethernet cable on the at91sam9263ek Aug 01 16:39:02 koen *g* Aug 01 16:41:14 mickeyl: is your generate-rdepends-from-import-statements script online somewhere? Aug 01 16:41:44 hi crofton Aug 01 16:41:59 hi Aug 01 16:43:13 mallum: hey, I have no stubs yet but you will have them at the end of the camp. and I have one xrestop question Aug 01 16:43:32 mallum: Pxms == Pixmaps and what does Misc normally include? events? Aug 01 16:44:27 koen: no, i only talked about such a script. i never found the time to actually write it. however you can do it manually by issuing python -v ;) Aug 01 16:50:27 zecke: yeah pxm = pixmaps, misc contains resources specific to extensions of which xrestop doesn't know about Aug 01 16:52:45 RP: how does the localrev counter work for git when multiple people build e.g. hal-info and upload it? Aug 01 16:55:35 mallum: I wonder how I can leak pixmaps even if I don't use them directly. Aug 01 16:56:18 you probably used mozilla code ;) Aug 01 16:56:39 zecke: did you see http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1921156852099786640 ? Aug 01 16:56:48 * CosmicPenguin hears a rimshot in the distance Aug 01 16:57:32 koen: until this is fixed I have to stop making fun of mozilla Aug 01 17:00:45 zecke: maybe something is using them indirectly ? Aug 01 17:01:08 koen: the make make a rotation work again Aug 01 17:01:16 sorry Aug 01 17:01:27 koen: the patch make the rotation script work again Aug 01 17:01:47 mallum: probably. I wonder if the gdk cairo integration is creating pixmaps Aug 01 17:02:48 zecke: yes likely Aug 01 17:04:12 koen: watching it now Aug 01 17:29:46 NOTE: :'module' object has no attribute 'get_srcrev' while evaluating: Aug 01 17:29:57 ${WORKDIR}/${PN} Aug 01 17:30:14 psycoman: complain to mickey|dinner Aug 01 17:30:15 many erros about get_srcrev and bitbake exit witout compile any thing Aug 01 17:31:21 k Aug 01 17:31:48 psycoman: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-August/002653.html Aug 01 17:33:12 strange i dont recevied this email, and im in devel list Aug 01 17:43:21 fellas I am having problem compiling module-init-tools-cross_3.2.2.bb Aug 01 17:44:17 complain to mickey|dinner :) Aug 01 17:44:32 khem: what the problem ? Aug 01 17:44:54 its not compiling Aug 01 17:45:04 please Aug 01 17:45:08 ~pastebin Aug 01 17:45:09 extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well Aug 01 17:45:22 and post the link here Aug 01 17:46:42 OE uses qemu-arm to generate the locales for glibc here. that is cool. I have a package where a binary for the target has to be run. how can I use this emulation feature? Aug 01 17:47:20 rschuster look at the qemu site Aug 01 17:47:26 there it is described Aug 01 17:47:44 woglinde: no I think you misunderstood Aug 01 17:47:49 woglinde: I know how to run qemu Aug 01 17:48:06 woglinde: but how can genoffsets from cacao be run with this? Aug 01 17:48:52 woglinde: I looked at glibc's bb but found nothing that explains how this is done Aug 01 17:49:44 psycoman, http://rafb.net/p/liUs7O97.html Aug 01 17:52:57 khem: please use http://paste.debian.net/ and upload this file /local/sandbox/openembedded/tmp/work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/module-init-tools-cross-3.2.2-r3/temp/log.do_configure.23245 Aug 01 17:53:03 and post the link again Aug 01 17:54:48 psycoman, ok Aug 01 17:58:19 psycoman, done http://paste.debian.net/index.php Aug 01 17:59:25 psycoman, wait its not done yet upload is slow Aug 01 18:00:06 psycoman, checking for i686-linux-gcc... ccache arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc Aug 01 18:00:06 checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out Aug 01 18:00:06 checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. Aug 01 18:00:06 If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'. Aug 01 18:00:06 See `config.log' for more details. Aug 01 18:00:24 khem: please dont do that in this chanel Aug 01 18:00:30 use pastbin :( Aug 01 18:01:33 khem: first of all please try bitbake 1.8.6 Aug 01 18:01:48 http://prdownload.berlios.de/bitbake/bitbake-1.8.6.tar.gz Aug 01 18:02:16 and i still waiting the pastbin of log.do_configure.23245 Aug 01 18:02:23 I have cvs one from 1.8 Aug 01 18:02:30 sorry svn one Aug 01 18:02:41 shouldnt that be 1.8.6 already Aug 01 18:02:57 I updated this morning to latest from svn Aug 01 18:03:21 please use latest stable release Aug 01 18:03:45 bitbake is in a unstable state, becouse many changes of make process Aug 01 18:03:48 psycoman, http://paste.debian.net/33850 Aug 01 18:04:10 khem: what system are you using Aug 01 18:04:11 ? Aug 01 18:04:43 F7 Aug 01 18:04:52 fedora ? Aug 01 18:05:01 psycoman, I am using external toolchain too Aug 01 18:05:17 psycoman, yes fedora 7 Aug 01 18:05:55 you have gcc and libc installed in host system ? Aug 01 18:06:35 psycoman, BitBake Build Tool Core version 1.8.7, bitbake version 1.8.7 Aug 01 18:06:40 is my bitbake Aug 01 18:06:46 try 1.8.6 Aug 01 18:06:57 and read this http://www.openembedded.org/oeandyourdistro, maybe its help Aug 01 18:07:03 yes cross-gcc and libc is there Aug 01 18:10:06 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r65810adb... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): prismstumbler: Fix build issue with up to date gpsd. Aug 01 18:28:09 note: http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/30/tenacious-hacker-brings-the-iphone-keyboard-to-a-nokia-n800/ Aug 01 18:34:55 psycoman: vivijim works 10 meters from gustavo :) Aug 01 18:36:16 koen: then vivijim is a brazilian guy like me :) Aug 01 18:36:58 yes, he is :) Aug 01 18:37:12 koen psycoman or less then 10 meters... :P Aug 01 18:37:31 look at this post... it was made here at indt too: http://codeposts.blogspot.com/2007/07/iphone-like-list-view.html Aug 01 18:38:37 my work block videos, it suxs :(, i will see in home Aug 01 18:38:58 koen: .dev still broken ? Aug 01 18:39:00 psycoman: yes, I'm brazilian too... what part of brazil are you from? do you work with oe? Aug 01 18:39:20 Hello everyone! Aug 01 18:39:32 psycoman: yes (for user with bitbake <1.8.7) Aug 01 18:39:35 hey likewise Aug 01 18:39:59 vivijim: im tring start in mobile devopment with linux/oe, im livin in rj right now Aug 01 18:40:23 vivijim: im tring help oe/angstrom projects and zaurus spits issues Aug 01 18:40:31 psycoman, I get same problem with 1.8.6 too Aug 01 18:40:40 koen, howdy Aug 01 18:40:45 likewise, should angstrom-console-image support sound? Aug 01 18:40:48 koen: ok gettin bitbake snv now Aug 01 18:41:19 khem: sorry i dont help, i dont use external toolchain :( i use oe basic bb files Aug 01 18:41:26 psycoman: nice! good work! Aug 01 18:41:39 vivijim: and you ? Aug 01 18:42:05 koen, I am having problem still compiling oe now I am stuck at http://paste.debian.net/33850 Aug 01 18:42:25 koen, any ideas how to proceed Aug 01 18:42:29 khem: the config.log should say why Aug 01 18:42:39 probably some CFLAGS issue or someting like that Aug 01 18:42:42 Crofton: only if you add some kernel modules and sound stuff Aug 01 18:43:07 Crofton: I can dump you my OE configs that made it work for me Aug 01 18:43:15 Crofton: I bbiab Aug 01 18:44:04 psycoman: I'm working at INdT in Recife with the mamona project: http://mamona.garage.maemo.org that uses OE as it buildsystem. Aug 01 18:45:46 vivijim: sounds good :) Aug 01 18:45:58 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r71a69957... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-gpephone.bb): task-gpephone: Add machined, remove some unused bits. Aug 01 18:46:41 koen, It doesnt give much all it says is configure:2226: $? = 126 Aug 01 18:46:41 configure:2235: error: cannot run C compiled programs. Aug 01 18:46:54 likewise, let me rephrase, Should Angstrom console image support sound? Aug 01 18:46:59 without fiddling Aug 01 18:47:37 koen: you commited Bug#: 2685 ? Aug 01 18:47:54 koen, if test "$cross_compiling" != yes; then Aug 01 18:48:14 so it seems it is not detecting that it is being compiled cross Aug 01 18:48:31 it still is doing native build hmmm Aug 01 18:48:43 looks like autoconf issue Aug 01 18:51:05 I wonder if module-init-tools are cross compilable Aug 01 18:52:54 why ? Aug 01 18:55:26 I am looking that configure and the code to detect if it is cross compiling Aug 01 19:01:37 We should add some OE info Aug 01 19:01:38 http://www.elinux.org/Toolbox Aug 01 19:02:40 http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/ is forbidden? Aug 01 19:03:02 it is broken I think Aug 01 19:03:21 time to learn golf http://www.riosecco.net/newpage.asp?id=138&page=2883 Aug 01 19:07:58 The things money can buy... Aug 01 19:10:28 khem: what version of grep does eglibc require? Aug 01 19:10:39 khem: it doesn't seem to like 2.5.1 from debian Aug 01 19:10:57 koen: I can bitch against firefox again :) Aug 01 19:11:05 zecke: :) Aug 01 19:11:08 koen: WebKit 4k of xserver resources Aug 01 19:12:15 koen, I think it needs same as glibc Aug 01 19:12:27 but I think I know what problem you are running into Aug 01 19:13:30 wow, mokofingerscroll is amazingly fast on the at91 Aug 01 19:13:46 koen, what is the autoconf version on your host Aug 01 19:13:48 now, if only the touchscreen behaved.... Aug 01 19:14:00 khem: 2.61 Aug 01 19:14:06 yeah there you go Aug 01 19:14:29 it generates some files errornously Aug 01 19:14:32 in glibc Aug 01 19:15:00 so you have to either regenerate top level configure using 2.61 Aug 01 19:15:15 or touch all configures so that they seem upto date Aug 01 19:16:46 koen, so I would suggest this Aug 01 19:17:14 koen, as long as we are updating auto* and configure, should we get worried about libtool? Aug 01 19:17:15 koen: feedreader2 will continue to not compile at least until monday Aug 01 19:17:16 go to top libc dir and run autoconf first before you start the configure and build process Aug 01 19:17:36 zecke: ok, I'll not try to compile till then Aug 01 19:17:48 zecke, you have experience in doing external toolchain builds Aug 01 19:17:57 with OE Aug 01 19:18:14 khem: not more than inside the documentation :) Aug 01 19:18:33 khem: if you have concrete questions where the documentation is misleading I'm glad to fix the documentation Aug 01 19:18:33 zecke, ok Aug 01 19:18:34 Crofton: we can Aug 01 19:18:58 zecke, I think I am fine with docs Aug 01 19:19:10 Crofton: propose it after finding some victim^H^H^H^H^H volunteers to do a test build Aug 01 19:20:12 heh Aug 01 19:20:13 zecke, one think that I need to understand is do i need to copy these external libraries to final root file system Aug 01 19:20:20 I need to make it work first Aug 01 19:20:36 DEPENDS are for run time or build time Aug 01 19:20:40 khem: configure.in:843: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_PROG_VER Aug 01 19:20:48 khem: I'll try touching the configures now Aug 01 19:21:35 khem: yes this is one of the shortcomings (but I think RP and hrw looked into that). OE can't track deps like glibc and you need to package that by hand and install to the rootfs Aug 01 19:24:03 there used to be a page size patch for libsdl in the repository, does anyone know what happened to it Aug 01 19:24:23 its needed for sdl support on the console Aug 01 19:24:23 * Crofton is having a crappy day Aug 01 19:24:47 * koen joins Crofton Aug 01 19:26:24 ah Aug 01 19:26:36 problem one, need later pkgconfig ... Aug 01 19:27:09 Crofton: 16th of august Aug 01 19:27:47 I need it now :) Aug 01 19:27:55 is .22 latest? Aug 01 19:28:22 iirc yes Aug 01 19:28:32 why aren't I building it ??? Aug 01 19:28:48 Crofton: http://www.openembedded.org/ical/oe-events.ics :) Aug 01 19:29:07 I remember from list, just trying to locally override Aug 01 19:29:14 libnfnetlink needs it Aug 01 19:29:37 i thought we had def_pref=-1 the 22 recipe Aug 01 19:29:53 is it in a prefered version file ? Aug 01 19:30:21 koen, I did not get this configure error with 2.61 Aug 01 19:30:31 koen, which branch are you trying Aug 01 19:30:39 trunk Aug 01 19:31:45 koen, that works for me Aug 01 19:31:54 hmm but Iam on fedora 7 Aug 01 19:32:09 with m4 1.4.8 Aug 01 19:32:26 Crofton: I am making sure I can reproduce the EFIKA build w/ sound and apps and all Aug 01 19:32:41 cool Aug 01 19:32:49 To uncrappen your day a bit :-) Aug 01 19:32:55 I think console image should include sound suport Aug 01 19:33:18 Crofton: add the modules to MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS Aug 01 19:33:23 Crofton: console? no, I don't think so. but it should be easily addable. Aug 01 19:33:44 kernel modules, yes, userspace apps, I would say no Aug 01 19:34:00 well, the hw has support for sound Aug 01 19:34:14 console should include basic apps like mixer Aug 01 19:34:15 ok, but what defines a console image then? Aug 01 19:34:21 minimal can omit sound Aug 01 19:34:26 everything, except gui? Aug 01 19:34:30 so many combaintions Aug 01 19:34:35 yeah, I know. Aug 01 19:34:59 I think console-image should include drivers for present hardware Aug 01 19:35:00 for me a console image, is a image where the user only has console in/output Aug 01 19:35:03 koen, where do you control pkgconfig version atm? Aug 01 19:35:12 I am having no luck finding it Aug 01 19:35:16 ok, then I misunderstood it Aug 01 19:35:19 Crofton: comment DEFAULT_PREFERENCE Aug 01 19:35:36 in angstrom distro file? Aug 01 19:35:51 Crofton: no in pkgconfig(-native) Aug 01 19:36:23 likewise, Crofton: we could add an console-audio-image that includes audio userspace utils Aug 01 19:36:45 koen, I swear I do not see it in pkg-config-native Aug 01 19:36:50 * Crofton goes insane Aug 01 19:36:51 koen: hmm, no I would say first define clearly what constitutes a console-image. Aug 01 19:37:08 Crofton: require pkgconfig_${PV}.bb Aug 01 19:37:13 likewise, I want to run an app from a console that uses sound :) Aug 01 19:37:24 console-image: everything under the sun except a gui? :-) Aug 01 19:37:26 Crofton: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp Aug 01 19:37:34 lol Aug 01 19:37:34 arrrrggggghhhhh Aug 01 19:37:48 the DEEF_PREF is on non-native Aug 01 19:37:54 now I get it Aug 01 19:38:03 kill to birds with one stone that way Aug 01 19:40:42 Crofton: you should know, according to mtn you wrote those recipes ;) Aug 01 19:41:12 I know Aug 01 19:41:21 see above comment regarding mental state Aug 01 19:42:24 I sat in a teleconference where I suspected the people on the other end did not want to hear anything I said Aug 01 19:42:36 I tried saying something and you could hear the groans Aug 01 19:42:41 so I shut up Aug 01 19:43:17 Crofton: yeah, those happenings s*ck hard Aug 01 19:43:28 IRC rocks :-) Aug 01 19:44:08 yeah Aug 01 19:47:40 I am absolutely horrified by the lack of concern about software quality shown by some people Aug 01 19:48:33 koen, do we have a general policy about what belongs in the different image classes? Aug 01 19:48:54 not really Aug 01 19:49:03 I really would like to get to place where it is easy for people to extens the basic image types we have Aug 01 19:49:04 I invented a few for angstrom Aug 01 19:49:07 yeah Aug 01 19:49:14 and keep hoping people will add more image to suit their needs :) Aug 01 19:49:31 I like minimal, console, and whatever the graphics are Aug 01 19:49:38 * Crofton does not use graphics :) Aug 01 19:49:39 like crofton-1337-sdr-image ;) Aug 01 19:50:07 but I want to be able to that based on existing images Aug 01 19:50:23 and without having image proliferation in the meta data Aug 01 19:50:45 I think a number of people would be interested in this Aug 01 19:51:01 maybe I should try write down my thoughts and send them to the dev list Aug 01 19:51:08 see if I am alone Aug 01 19:51:24 ok, back to my libtool headache :) Aug 01 19:53:41 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r856bec9c... 10/ (1 packages/meta/meta-gpe.bb): meta-gpe: Switch to new GPE task names. Aug 01 19:53:45 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r55db77b1... 10/ (1 packages/images/e-image.bb): e-image: Update to use new GPE task names. Aug 01 19:53:51 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r5698d617... 10/ (1 packages/images/gpe-image.bb): gpe-image: Update to use new GPE task names. Aug 01 19:53:56 03florian 07org.oe.dev * rdce59840... 10/ (10 files in 2 dirs): task-gpe-*: New GPE tasks Aug 01 19:54:38 khem: I have eglibc 2.6 compiled :) Aug 01 19:54:55 * koen decides that is enough OE for today Aug 01 19:55:18 l8r Aug 01 19:55:46 cu koen, good work on eglibc Aug 01 19:55:52 this is why I like to do OE work in the morning, all the EU guys are fresher Aug 01 19:57:11 I had Freescale here with me today, they took 4 hrs of my precious (OE) dev time talking about new processors. Aug 01 19:58:35 Real work intrudes ? Aug 01 19:58:46 Did you thank them for the Efika dev program? Aug 01 19:59:10 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r856cd651... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): matchbox-panel-hacks: patch xrandr-panel-app.sh to (hopefully) work with xrandr 1.3. should close #2685 Aug 01 19:59:14 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r2d281351... 10/ (1 packages/glibc/eglibc_svn.bb): Aug 01 19:59:14 eglibc: add svn recipe for eglibc Aug 01 19:59:14 * this is WIP, but it completes do_compile Aug 01 19:59:14 * Need to bother Khem about how to do localegen the eglibc way Aug 01 19:59:35 what eglibc? Aug 01 19:59:42 embedded glibc Aug 01 19:59:45 see eglibc.org Aug 01 20:00:04 yalc Aug 01 20:00:15 Crofton: EFIKA is not Freescale AFAIK, but Genesis' effort, is it not? Aug 01 20:00:29 likewise: heavily sponsered by freescale iirc Aug 01 20:00:30 not sure how the split is Aug 01 20:00:38 I hinted them to look at OpenEmbedded instead of bitshrine.org/LTIB Aug 01 20:00:46 or rather FREE^2scale Aug 01 20:00:49 * Crofton thinks the same as koen Aug 01 20:01:04 ok, well, I'll be talking to the Linux Freescale guys soon Aug 01 20:01:18 the s/w guys, not the silicon ppl Aug 01 20:01:26 The genesisi guys seem to report to the freescale guys Aug 01 20:01:30 cool Aug 01 20:02:24 my background task is getting this to work on EFIKA Aug 01 20:02:25 http://www.maniacchallenge.org/index.html Aug 01 20:02:52 re Aug 01 20:07:37 does eglibc provide stdlibc++ support? Aug 01 20:07:51 crofton? Aug 01 20:08:01 didnt g++ provide this lib? Aug 01 20:08:01 c++ standard library Aug 01 20:08:32 crofton right Aug 01 20:08:45 g++ is a compiler Aug 01 20:08:55 but in my opinion it has nothing to do with glibc Aug 01 20:09:24 libstdc++6-4.1-dev: /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1/libstdc++.a Aug 01 20:09:44 yeah, I think that comes from glibc atm Aug 01 20:10:22 please made a find or grep in gcc source Aug 01 20:24:11 koen, good job Aug 01 20:24:24 koen, if I mtn up will I get your changes Aug 01 20:25:11 khem: yes Aug 01 20:25:37 hmm, the Roanoke cops have a bear surrounded Aug 01 20:25:40 koen just seems to have commited it: CIA-3> koen org.oe.dev * r2d281351... / (1 packages/glibc/eglibc_svn.bb): Aug 01 20:25:48 but you should do a mtn pull first Aug 01 20:26:00 re florian Aug 01 20:26:12 khem: mtn pull to sync your local repository, then mtn up to update your working copy of your checkout Aug 01 20:26:53 likewise, I have mtn pulled once but it needs to be done everytime I have to get changes from upstream Aug 01 20:28:17 khem: yes, note that mtn uses the concept of a local repository database, any local checkouts from that are well... checkouts. In contrast with CVS, where you directly checkout from a (remote) repository. Aug 01 20:28:43 khem: monotone.ca has an excellent tutorial, very well written. Aug 01 20:28:43 hmmmm Aug 01 20:28:59 like git ...almost Aug 01 20:29:04 khem: yes Aug 01 20:29:16 khem: with some pro's and con's here and there. Aug 01 20:29:42 after todays conversation, I appreciate tools like git and mtn more Aug 01 20:29:52 although svn has a lower bar to entry by dev's Aug 01 20:30:36 hm any stats btw. uclibc glibc and eglibc? Aug 01 20:30:37 likewise, so I did what is mentioned here http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted Aug 01 20:30:57 woglinde, what stats Aug 01 20:31:10 khem: Also read: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/MonotonePhraseBook Aug 01 20:31:25 yeah its my third day on OE Aug 01 20:31:37 khem size stats Aug 01 20:31:40 cvs/svn versus mtn/git really boils down to one question: do you want multiple distributed repositories, or not? Aug 01 20:32:03 khem: well, good to still see you here :-) Aug 01 20:32:07 do you want to merge branches, with complete change history Aug 01 20:32:16 likewise, mtn --db=/stuff/OE.mtn pull monotone.openembedded.org org.openembedded.dev Aug 01 20:32:28 what does that do Aug 01 20:32:41 khem inital download Aug 01 20:32:42 it creates a local repo rightr ? Aug 01 20:32:49 right Aug 01 20:32:57 khem: yes Aug 01 20:33:24 but beware it last a while Aug 01 20:33:28 and then mtn --db=/stuff/OE.mtn checkout --branch=org.openembedded.dev Aug 01 20:33:34 checks out a branch Aug 01 20:33:47 so is this branch checked out from my local repo ? Aug 01 20:33:50 yes Aug 01 20:33:58 Can I check in stuff into it too ? Aug 01 20:34:03 yes Aug 01 20:34:13 * khem like git Aug 01 20:34:18 ok Aug 01 20:34:35 and how does it get pulled upstream if that needs to happen Aug 01 20:34:54 khem: you have to run a mtn server, or otherwise push your changes upstream Aug 01 20:35:22 'upstream' for OE is any of the repo's that sync from each other. OE has some sync'd repo's around. Aug 01 20:36:17 likewise, right however isnt org.openembedded.dev on some remote server which is say master Aug 01 20:36:18 for the OE devs, we push everything out (you need access). Aug 01 20:36:50 monotone.openembedded.org is one of the distributed repo's Aug 01 20:37:14 ok that makes it clear Aug 01 20:37:24 so thats the master repo Aug 01 20:37:51 so initially you post to mailing lists Aug 01 20:37:54 master and distributed don't go together well, but yes, it's one of the distributed master servers Aug 01 20:38:09 unless you have pushing capabilities Aug 01 20:38:12 yes Aug 01 20:38:18 ok Aug 01 20:38:29 or mtn diff, and paste the output in our bugtracker Aug 01 20:38:40 I have always used CVS and have used git recently Aug 01 20:38:41 which is the most accepted way Aug 01 20:39:04 so my concept of distributed SCM is very raw and CVS like :) Aug 01 20:39:09 and some devs have scripts to accept patches that way Aug 01 20:39:17 ok Aug 01 20:39:19 khem: yes Aug 01 20:39:29 well, I came from CVS myself. Aug 01 20:39:38 prolly all of us Aug 01 20:39:52 still using it heavily, but I like mtn (and probably git) really good in all aspects. Aug 01 20:39:54 hehe some come from rcs Aug 01 20:39:56 but not me Aug 01 20:40:16 do I need to use --db option always when I pull Aug 01 20:40:19 except I have to be really careful on all steps. Especially commiting and pushing can be tricky because it involves two steps Aug 01 20:40:33 khem: if you are inside a working copy (checkout), no Aug 01 20:40:47 mtn can find the --db it works from, from its metadata Aug 01 20:40:54 so its for fresh check out only Aug 01 20:40:58 khem: yes Aug 01 20:41:27 this is all explained very clearly in the www.monotone.ca tutorial Aug 01 20:41:38 (if I decide to go for another coffee :-) ) Aug 01 20:41:58 * Crofton needs beer Aug 01 20:42:13 don't we all? Aug 01 20:43:09 Crofton: had to restart my build for EFIKA, as I did sound support under glibc, while my current tree builds for uclibc. Aug 01 20:43:22 which still had minor issues. Aug 01 20:43:39 we need to get the Efika stuff solid :) Aug 01 20:44:15 crofton a beer now were fine Aug 01 20:56:19 hm do we need this patch for qte2 too? Aug 01 20:56:21 http://dist.trolltech.com/developer/download/170529.diff Aug 01 20:56:42 wow, i'd almost forgotten how much i despite cvs Aug 01 20:56:44 get this Aug 01 20:56:48 rm foo/bar; cvs remove foo/bar; cvs add foo/bar; says it resurrected foo/bar, but it didnt. you have to cd foo; cvs add bar; instead Aug 01 20:56:50 heh Aug 01 20:57:09 mv is using state of the art tools :} Aug 01 20:57:12 cvs can now rootne Aug 01 20:57:17 rotten I mean Aug 01 20:57:36 i mean, there were always things i hated about cvs, but i'd completely forgotten about odd / inconsistent tool behavior :P Aug 01 20:57:46 kergoth: stop reminding me Aug 01 20:57:49 I skipped cvs and went stright to svn Aug 01 20:57:54 hehe Aug 01 20:58:12 now I am thinking Linux is correct, we should all move to git Aug 01 20:58:34 one advantage of using git, it eliminates the "casual" dev's Aug 01 20:58:34 Crofton: I was just moving from cvs to svn. :-) Aug 01 20:58:42 git really impresses me now that i've used it quite a bit Aug 01 20:58:53 Crofton: ever had to repair a version repo? Aug 01 20:58:59 now Aug 01 20:59:05 ah Aug 01 20:59:09 no, I haven't broken one Aug 01 20:59:17 I really like having a flat file system repo. Aug 01 20:59:43 not some db that breaks down months after it started being internally corrupted Aug 01 21:00:07 just being paranoid probaly Aug 01 21:00:10 +b Aug 01 21:03:13 re Aug 01 21:03:40 koen: Poky is using autoconf/automake/m4/pkg-config in newest versions now Aug 01 21:04:04 hrw 2 weeks till mariage? Aug 01 21:04:11 woglinde: less then 2 weeks now Aug 01 21:04:14 ;) Aug 01 21:04:30 * chouimat hates LDAP Aug 01 21:04:55 * mwester too Aug 01 21:05:11 is there any open alternative? Aug 01 21:05:19 not really Aug 01 21:05:27 fefe programmed a tiny-ldap Aug 01 21:06:14 tiny-ldap? There's an oxymoron for you... ;) Aug 01 21:06:22 in my case it's not for an embedded system but for a SME server so Aug 01 21:06:33 mwester *g* Aug 01 21:06:54 http://www.fefe.de/tinyldap/ Aug 01 21:08:30 look interesting Aug 01 21:09:16 anyway I think I will go get a beer or 2 at the pub and finish this ldap crap later Aug 01 21:09:26 hm yes but fefe stoped the development Aug 01 21:09:38 or even develop it any further Aug 01 21:09:42 dont Aug 01 21:14:39 koen: The bitbake 1.8.8 release happens when the features mentioned in that scm email have been written and tested Aug 01 21:15:01 koen: Regarding the git hal question, how do you mean multiple people upload? Aug 01 21:17:15 wouldn't ipkg just choose the git package with the greatest hash value? Aug 01 21:17:15 there is no well-defined chronological order with distributed scms. Aug 01 21:17:32 pH5: ipkg use alphabet Aug 01 21:17:39 hrw: I have a "better" libmusicbrainz fix although that m4 stuff is insane :/ Aug 01 21:20:33 60 revisions into poky in one day so far :) Aug 01 21:21:35 RP: ok, I had that one since my test build was done Aug 01 21:23:44 RP: remember "we do as much as we could to break it" phrase ;) Aug 01 21:24:05 s/do/did Aug 01 21:24:09 hrw: I know, I'm not complaining :) Aug 01 21:24:24 to compile kernel just do bitbake linux ? Aug 01 21:24:26 RP: the great part is that it is still working Aug 01 21:24:31 * RP is quite pleased with the activity :) Aug 01 21:24:32 psycoman: bitbake virtual/kernel Aug 01 21:24:40 hrw: Yes, I expected it to be worse than this Aug 01 21:24:55 We might actually get an image tomorrow! Aug 01 21:25:09 RP: working one even :D Aug 01 21:25:48 RP: and then some time to spent to incorporate our job into OE Aug 01 21:26:15 RP: 2.6.22/c7x0 fails Aug 01 21:26:17 hrw: it will compile a kernel to put in a device ? Aug 01 21:26:26 corgi.c ? Aug 01 21:26:27 RP: | arch/arm/mach-pxa/corgi.c:145: error: variable 'corgi_bl_machinfo' has initializer but incomplete type Aug 01 21:26:32 psycoman: yes Aug 01 21:26:41 hrw: I know the problem... Aug 01 21:26:54 RP: ok, but I am building for c7x0 now.. Aug 01 21:28:34 hrw: One second and I will fix Aug 01 21:28:43 ok Aug 01 21:28:55 * hrw starts to hate libgsmd due to its breakage Aug 01 21:30:24 hrw: svn up for the kernel fix Aug 01 21:30:42 how would i go about determining the mtype for haret for a CE tablet i have? Aug 01 21:31:48 ok Aug 01 21:37:05 koen, how do I chose eglibc Aug 01 21:37:40 RP: do not build for neo - libgsmd is changing too much now Aug 01 21:39:38 uf.. looks like my fic-gta01 build is going ok. so c7x0 one will wait a bit Aug 01 21:48:37 * hrw goes to sleep Aug 01 21:48:44 'night hrw Aug 01 21:49:04 RP: you hack until you fall on keys? Aug 01 21:50:53 nite hrw Aug 01 21:51:06 RP maybee he has no wife Aug 01 21:51:13 which can get be angry Aug 01 21:51:20 *duck and hide* Aug 01 21:51:37 woglinde: ;D Aug 01 21:51:46 hrw, how was the bachelor thing? Aug 01 21:51:58 Crofton: good, really enjoyed Aug 01 21:52:02 great Aug 01 21:52:18 I need to post some video from my friends, we held at the gun range Aug 01 21:52:27 Koen's boss would like it Aug 01 21:53:34 gun range Aug 01 21:53:42 hm Aug 01 21:53:53 crofton which weapons? Aug 01 21:54:09 all sorts Aug 01 21:54:13 my friends are nuts Aug 01 21:54:23 M16? Aug 01 21:54:23 no drinking until we were done shooting Aug 01 21:54:34 yes Aug 01 21:54:38 safty first Aug 01 21:54:56 rifles, pistols Aug 01 21:55:20 my friend doesn't drink, or want to see strippers Aug 01 21:55:21 hm ah so you not firn with the models Aug 01 21:55:28 firm Aug 01 21:55:29 but he does shoot guns :) Aug 01 21:56:27 I know there are big guns and little guns and they are all dangerous Aug 01 21:57:07 ones I shoot with 120 mortar Aug 01 21:57:12 120mm Aug 01 21:57:19 um Aug 01 21:57:26 that would be fun Aug 01 21:57:46 was driving such thing at my army service year Aug 01 21:58:28 we don't have mandatory army service Aug 01 21:58:33 yes Aug 01 21:58:38 I know Aug 01 21:58:41 As I get older, I am beginning to thinnk we should Aug 01 21:58:47 Crofton: I thought you started drafting in 2002 again Aug 01 21:58:53 no Aug 01 21:58:57 they talk about it Aug 01 21:59:01 you should have :) Aug 01 21:59:03 zecke only veterans Aug 01 21:59:11 but it would never pass Aug 01 21:59:21 the army does not want it Aug 01 21:59:34 Mexico has mandatory military service Aug 01 21:59:43 except they have more people than they can handle Aug 01 21:59:43 Crofton: yeah, if the U.S. version of a kosmonaut is drunk already. what would happen to the army? Aug 01 21:59:50 so you get exemptions Aug 01 22:00:21 my friend wanted to go into nasa, but he thought they wouldn't be any fun Aug 01 22:00:32 now he is sad, because he found out they are all drunks :) Aug 01 22:01:06 hehe Aug 01 22:04:08 * Crofton observes the difference in thesis length between 10pt and 12pt Aug 01 22:04:49 * mwester wonders at the conversations on this channel over the past months, and wonders if one must be an arch-liberal, anti-american to be here, or if it's enough to just pretend. :p Aug 01 22:06:09 mwester: we love drinking. so we love the NASA! Aug 01 22:06:14 and lol Aug 01 22:06:20 mwester: they brought linux and alcohol to space! Aug 01 22:06:26 these dudes rock! Aug 01 22:06:47 * mwester rolls his eyes Aug 01 22:06:57 I wonder why they got drunk with the water what the sells as beer in the usa Aug 01 22:07:20 maybee they found out about vodka Aug 01 22:07:21 hahaha Aug 01 22:07:30 We *do* import things here, you know. Scotch whiskey can't be beat.\ Aug 01 22:07:57 Although some of the California wines are better than the French originals. Aug 01 22:08:12 mwester hm yes Aug 01 22:09:03 I've often wondered what the Germans think of the commercials here that pass off "Bud Light" as German in origin... Aug 01 22:11:23 Funny... upon first glance at the screen, this message: object has no attribute 'get_srcrev' while evaluating Aug 01 22:11:42 appeared to read: object has no attribute 'get_screwed' while evaluating Aug 01 22:11:52 I thought that a bit of a rude error message... Aug 01 22:11:55 :D Aug 01 22:12:27 Syncing up does no good. I expect that I need to do something then? Aug 01 22:13:39 And suddenly the channel grows silent... Aug 01 22:13:47 Ok. G'nite! Aug 01 22:14:06 mwster in the other many american belives all germany are like bavarians with leather trousers or dirndl Aug 01 22:14:16 all germans Aug 01 22:16:27 mwester: I have a fix for that, I will try and remember to commit it Aug 01 22:17:15 hi Aug 01 22:17:37 mwester, we are a multi-national group of malcontents Aug 01 22:18:18 apparently bavarians do not think they are Germans? Aug 01 22:19:00 hmm... i have problems with bitbake trunk not building all native utilities, e.g. sometimes mkdevices is missing, sometimes mtd-utils-native Aug 01 22:19:29 hm new binutils Aug 01 22:19:50 mickey hu??? Aug 01 22:20:34 do_rootfs then fails. when i build the missing stuff manually, then it succeeds Aug 01 22:20:44 strange Aug 01 22:20:49 yes Aug 01 22:20:58 I never encoutred it the last days Aug 01 22:21:04 They have caught the bear! Aug 01 22:21:06 http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/126439 Aug 01 22:21:08 with picture Aug 01 22:21:14 bear? Aug 01 22:21:26 mickey|dinner, I did a pul and built angstrom-console-image ok this AM Aug 01 22:21:31 bear :) Aug 01 22:21:53 apparently they have been chasing it since lunch time Aug 01 22:22:01 hm in germany they dont use tranquilizer Aug 01 22:22:06 they shot the bear hard Aug 01 22:22:16 bruno the bear Aug 01 22:22:31 was a media coverage theme here for serval weeks Aug 01 22:22:50 woglinde: they killed him :( Aug 01 22:22:58 zecke kill knut Aug 01 22:23:24 woglinde: no way, I like all Knut's Aug 01 22:24:09 hi thesing Aug 01 22:24:15 hi Aug 01 22:24:32 still awake? Aug 01 22:24:35 how is the alsa driver going? Aug 01 22:25:01 I will go to sleep in a few minutes Aug 01 22:25:13 not very well. Aug 01 22:25:29 after I lookedup at fahrinfo the fastest way to the bundesrentenversicherungsanstalt Aug 01 22:25:33 for tommorrow Aug 01 22:25:53 zecke, how will I chose a different library uclibc, glibc ,eglibc Aug 01 22:25:59 I was quite busy in the last weeks of the semester. Aug 01 22:26:17 khem look at virtual/libc setting Aug 01 22:26:29 khem in conf/distro/angstrom....conf Aug 01 22:26:33 for example Aug 01 22:26:43 adapt it for eglibc Aug 01 22:26:43 alright, time to walk home Aug 01 22:26:47 later all Aug 01 22:26:55 khem: if you have an external one it is set in stone, isn't it? Aug 01 22:26:59 bye crofton Aug 01 22:27:18 khem: for angstrom you can at least select between uclibc, glibc (never heard of eglibc though) Aug 01 22:27:50 zecke google eglibc Aug 01 22:28:10 new approach from mips and frrescale to build a libc for needs of embedded devices Aug 01 22:28:19 koen checked in a svn recipe Aug 01 22:28:23 today Aug 01 22:30:09 khem: how generate locales in eglibc ? Aug 01 22:30:44 psycoman from the .bb it looks the same as in glibc Aug 01 22:31:09 read koen commit Aug 01 22:35:21 nite Aug 01 22:35:29 16:59 < CIA-3> * Need to bother Khem about how to do localegen the eglibc way Aug 01 22:35:41 psycoman hm okay Aug 01 22:35:59 dont worrie Aug 01 22:38:43 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r1a9562c7... 10/ (1 packages/gsm/libgsmd_svn.bb): libgsmd: catch up with SVN Aug 01 22:38:49 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r73b1b0eb... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-openmoko.bb): task-openmoko: switch to openmoko-icon-theme2 Aug 01 22:38:54 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rba51255a... 10/ (18 files in 4 dirs): openmoko* add indirection to make smooth migration from SRCDATE to SRCREV possible Aug 01 22:55:25 what do you do when a file download gets a checksum error? (looks like upstream might've done a stealth change) Aug 01 23:00:19 happycube: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/UpdateChecksumsIni Aug 01 23:03:10 thanks - sorry i couldn't find that in the wiki Aug 01 23:06:17 np. you find it under Policies (Developer Information) Aug 01 23:08:22 * thesing -> sleep Aug 01 23:08:33 bye Aug 01 23:10:45 RP: I just deleted the recipes causing the error. As long as I remember not to commit ;) that'll work. Aug 01 23:11:03 mwester: Wasn't there a lot of them? Aug 01 23:11:28 Yes. I'm still deleting. Aug 01 23:11:55 Unslung shouldn't use any svn stuff, so eventually what's left should still build!! :D Aug 01 23:11:59 mwester: Let me commit something that will hopefully fix that Aug 01 23:12:11 * RP didn't have time before :( Aug 01 23:12:49 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r949e31b0... 10/ (1 packages/openmoko2/openmoko-icon-theme-standard2_svn.bb): openmoko-icon-theme-standard2: don't use SRCREV (yet) Aug 01 23:14:36 mwester: pushed Aug 01 23:15:10 hmm Aug 01 23:27:24 'night all Aug 01 23:46:02 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r12442f6e... 10/ (1 classes/base.bbclass): base.bbclass: Fix base_get_srcrev() Aug 02 00:12:18 03daniel 07org.oe.dev * r76f517ae... 10/ (1 packages/openmoko2/openmoko-session2/etc/matchbox/session): openmook-session2: Start all the other openmoko-panel-applets Aug 02 00:14:46 alphaone: thanks. next time please increase PR as well. Aug 02 00:14:47 g'night Aug 02 00:15:01 mickey|zzZZzz: Argl! Aug 02 00:15:28 mickey|zzZZzz: Sorry, I forgot. Aug 02 00:27:16 Hi folks, anybody online who's built an image for a Palm T3? Aug 02 00:52:28 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r5bd2a5fc... 10/ (6 files in 5 dirs): pointercal: add calibration constants for fic-gta0[12] Aug 02 00:52:32 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r646c0b9a... 10/ (1 packages/gsm/libgsmd_svn.bb): libgsmd: remove patch guards since patches have been updated - thanks ph5! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 02 02:59:57 2007