**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 25 02:59:56 2007 Aug 25 03:49:57 * * OE Bug 2871 has been created by celeber2(AT)gmail.com Aug 25 03:49:59 * * Add 18BPP support in X for A1200/E2 Aug 25 03:50:01 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2871 Aug 25 04:57:57 * * OE Bug 2872 has been created by autobuild(AT)openembedded.org Aug 25 04:57:59 * * libart-lgpl-2.3.16-r2-do_unpack Aug 25 04:58:01 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2872 Aug 25 04:58:53 koen: angstrom-2007.1 builds fine with new bitbake Aug 25 04:59:44 koen: I am starting to believe that the version number change of glibc to 2.6.1 might be doing something with eglibc here. I will do 2008.1 build once more from scratch Aug 25 05:53:58 * * OE Bug 2239 has been marked as DUPLICATE of bug 2134 by xjqian(AT)gmail.com Aug 25 05:54:00 * *  Logout on gpe makes black screen Aug 25 05:54:02 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2239 Aug 25 09:00:48 morning all Aug 25 09:00:54 Morning RP Aug 25 09:01:25 good morning all Aug 25 09:01:50 ggilbert: Its been a while since I've seen you awake in here :) Aug 25 09:01:56 hehe Aug 25 09:02:09 mostly I just look an unread message in here :) Aug 25 09:02:15 look for an Aug 25 09:04:26 koen: I'm playing with adding logic to bitbake to detect when bitbake tries to build mutliple versions of the same package etc. The logic works cleanly against poky's metadata apart from telling me that both glibc and gettext provide vitual/libintl. Is that expected? Aug 25 09:05:16 AFAIK that's expected since gettext provides 'gettext' as well as 'libintl', which uclibc needs Aug 25 09:06:27 koen: So the logic should ignore all virtuals? Aug 25 09:06:45 I'm not sure about that Aug 25 09:07:00 or are there other cases where two packages should get built which provide the same thing? Aug 25 09:07:54 with glibc and gettext it's a (small) subset of the packages that provide the same thing Aug 25 09:08:20 with e.g. diet-x11 and sdl it's providing exactly the same thing Aug 25 09:09:30 Perhaps we just need a whitelist... Aug 25 09:16:41 hi Aug 25 09:16:48 oe.org is down? Aug 25 09:17:11 no, it's just being sloooooooooooooooooooooooow Aug 25 09:17:29 uh oh. Aug 25 09:17:43 koen, new drupal? ;) Aug 25 09:20:35 03rpurdie * r959 10bitbake/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/cache.py lib/bb/runqueue.py): runqueue.py: Detect builds of tasks with overlapping providers and warn (will become a fatal error) (#1359).Add MULTI_PROVIDER_WHITELIST variable to allow known safe multiple providers to be listed. Aug 25 09:21:08 yakov: weekly backup scripts + searchbots ignoring robots.txt in this case Aug 25 09:24:29 03rpurdie 07bitbake-1.8 * r960 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/cache.py lib/bb/runqueue.py): runqueue.py: Detect builds of tasks with overlapping providers and warn (will become a fatal error) (#1359).Add MULTI_PROVIDER_WHITELIST variable to allow known safe multiple providers to be listed. [backport] Aug 25 09:24:43 * RP wonders if he'll regret this Aug 25 10:01:23 might it be that config for binutils cross isn't broken in another then Angstorm distro? Aug 25 10:01:34 03stefan 07org.oe.dev * rf10f45b9... 10/ (1 classes/rm_work.bbclass): rm_work.bbclass: Make sure all hidden directories get also removed. (.pc for example) Aug 25 10:28:47 if i've had "/bin/dash" pollution, how do i clean it up in my openembedded install? Aug 25 10:31:15 hey ppl. Aug 25 10:33:09 bitbake says: ERROR: Sorry, shell not available (No module named readline) - does it mean i must rebuid it? Aug 25 10:40:37 yakov: you need python compiled with readline support. on debian that's part of the python2.5 package, for example. Aug 25 10:41:05 pH5: hey there Aug 25 10:54:01 where should i look, if working dir -just before do_configure is called there- is empty? Aug 25 10:54:17 'm trying debug broken binutils package :/ Aug 25 11:11:26 mhmm... libraries packages should really start using provides/conflicts/replaces Aug 25 11:15:11 stefan_schmidt: and .svn :) Aug 25 11:16:18 i found finally my error.. :) Aug 25 11:16:27 BTW, where's Search on oe.org?! Aug 25 11:17:37 search would be normally at the top right page corner. Aug 25 11:17:45 but the website is f*cked up. Aug 25 11:17:55 only shows "array\narray" at the top right. Aug 25 11:18:00 something is broken. Aug 25 11:18:12 yakov, in the meantime : site:www.openembedded.org in google... Aug 25 11:19:02 site:www.openembedded.org/wiki if you only want to search in the wiki Aug 25 11:19:14 hmm. there is much more not working at openembedded anymore. all links in the news items are also broken. Aug 25 11:19:37 well, not as bad as wiki edit not working IMHO ;) Aug 25 11:19:54 yeah. indeed ;) Aug 25 11:20:14 koen, need help for the database pbm ? just ask... Aug 25 11:21:13 I think the liquid is still fsck'd up because of wiki_access... Aug 25 11:23:29 hi mickey|froscon Aug 25 11:23:59 morning RP! Aug 25 11:24:32 nodens: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-August/002890.html Aug 25 11:24:37 hey mickey|froscon Aug 25 11:25:12 hi koen Aug 25 11:25:27 koen: It seems angstrom passes the multiple providers check well :) Aug 25 11:26:05 koen: right :) Aug 25 11:26:56 hi mickey|froscon Aug 25 11:27:17 hey stefan_schmidt Aug 25 11:27:23 how are things? Aug 25 11:27:49 * mickey|froscon first time in Bonn, the old capital of Germany Aug 25 11:28:02 mickey|froscon: Mostly fine. Aug 25 11:28:15 mickey|froscon: Talk done already? Aug 25 11:28:29 no no, just arrived at the venue Aug 25 11:28:34 talk is tomorrow, 15.15 Aug 25 11:28:39 ah, ok Aug 25 11:29:53 mickey|froscon: did you see knut's mail? Aug 25 11:29:56 will be anyone of you guys at the CHES'07 at vienna? Aug 25 11:30:18 koen: only the subject. i was too tired yesterday to actually open it Aug 25 11:30:36 the subject says it all Aug 25 11:39:04 yakov pasted "binutils failed" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/46708 Aug 25 11:40:27 DEBUG: CONF file 'conf/build/i386-darwin.conf' not found <== is this normal? Aug 25 11:42:11 yakov: yes Aug 25 11:44:35 Cyberdeck: what is CHES07? i'm in vienna, that sounds interesting .. Aug 25 11:44:52 RP, how could it be that target dir to apply configure is empty then? /Volumes/OE/stuff/build/tmp/work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/binutils-cross-2.17.50.0.5-r1/binutils-2.17.50.0.5/build.i386-darwin.arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi <== this dir Aug 25 11:45:22 I can't get what was responsible for it's unpacking.. :( Aug 25 11:48:46 yakov pasted "how this can be tracked?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/46709 Aug 25 11:49:06 yakov: The unpack task is in classes/base.bbclass. Perhaps instrument that Aug 25 11:49:06 -D -D -D -D doesnt help :/ I love bitbake. Aug 25 11:49:29 thx.. Aug 25 11:49:57 torpor: Workshop on Cryptographic Hardware and Embedded Systems (CHES 2007) - http://islab.oregonstate.edu/ches/ches2007/start.html Aug 25 11:52:03 ah Aug 25 11:52:32 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra3080faf... 10/ (1 packages/maemo3/libhildonmime_1.9.5.bb): libhildonmime: depends on gnome-vfs Aug 25 12:20:38 gah, monotone had written off my checkout :/ Aug 25 12:28:16 mickey|froscon, weird comment abuot Bonn Aug 25 12:28:31 We visited some people we knew there when I was a kid Aug 25 12:28:41 and it was the capital of germany then Aug 25 12:28:59 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * rd6d91eee... 10/ (1 packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb): slugos-packages: added net-tools Aug 25 12:30:43 yeah, it's been a while :) Aug 25 12:36:10 mickey|froscon: would you like a special appliation or something to show up on zaurus / mokoui material? Aug 25 12:37:14 dcordes: just showing off the today app and e.g. opening the contacts will be fine Aug 25 12:37:24 hmm. "Warning: Unable to open initial console" Aug 25 12:37:30 did anyone change devtable or base-files? Aug 25 12:41:07 aaargh... ipkg-make-index does not generate Packages.filelist... :'( Aug 25 12:41:29 (it tries but the result is empty) Aug 25 12:41:39 I have some icons missing in today and contacts. What might be missing? Aug 25 12:41:57 it'll be harder than expected to track the conflicting files :/ Aug 25 12:42:36 mickey|froscon: I changed the devtable but to fix some problems. It shouldn't have been my changes... Aug 25 12:55:07 might be the new kernel, i'll take a look. Aug 25 12:55:08 bbiab Aug 25 13:01:14 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rec91a6a5... 10/ (1 conf/bitbake.conf): bitbake.conf: Add MULTI_PROVIDER_WHITELIST Aug 25 13:01:30 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rc9235531... 10/ (1 packages/glibc/glibc-package.bbclass): glibc-package.bbclass: Correct PACKAGES_DYNAMIC Aug 25 13:19:29 nodens: I created the missing wiki tables by hand (how great that drupal doesn't warn about missing install scripts...) Aug 25 13:21:36 koen, great :) Aug 25 13:22:30 ~hail koen Aug 25 13:22:31 * ibot bows down to koen and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Aug 25 13:23:49 the liquid module author need a script to create postgresql db... I don't have a postgreql ready to test an install write one, or I would have sent one to him, it's a shame there isn't one already. Aug 25 13:24:25 (mhmm... too many words missing in this sentence) Aug 25 13:24:49 I meant : "I don't have a postgresql ready to test an install and write one" Aug 25 13:27:15 I just replaces *int*(*) with 'integer' and removed 'unsigned' Aug 25 13:27:33 * koen <- sql noob Aug 25 13:28:01 same for me, I'm an admin not a DBA ;) Aug 25 13:28:17 I also updates bits of the 'custom' oe theme Aug 25 13:31:59 http://drupal.org/node/54459 <- wouldn't it do the trick for front page sorting issue ? Aug 25 13:35:10 (say : "Node: Sticky descending" then "Node: Last Updated Time descending") Aug 25 13:40:28 where can I find that option? Aug 25 13:40:44 not sure (I don't use drupal), still searching ;) Aug 25 13:41:06 it seems to be in the page view Aug 25 13:41:20 somewhere in "administer" I think Aug 25 13:42:35 I try to search it on the demo drupal site but there is almost no contents there, so it's hard to figure out how it looks in a full install with contents Aug 25 13:45:42 koen, try administer >> content management >> content. Aug 25 13:48:13 "Views" seems to be a module Aug 25 13:48:29 Don't know if it is used on oe.org Aug 25 13:49:34 * Aug 25 13:49:40 oups. Aug 25 13:50:00 http://drupal.org/node/48816 <- it's possible to "insert views" by adding php code, as well Aug 25 13:53:14 from the generated html, oe.org uses taxonomy, so it should be possible to use and adapt this tutorial to change views : http://drupal.org/node/87195 Aug 25 13:54:57 seems like the trick is to create a view as suited, and then override taxonomy view, IIUC Aug 25 13:55:20 what I don't get is why the oe site is the only drupal site where this happens :( Aug 25 13:56:01 most drupal sites are blog, or use static pages as a front page... Aug 25 13:56:15 so they won't have this kind of problem Aug 25 13:56:46 the frontpage is a sort of blog Aug 25 13:57:13 yeah, but how many blogs have "sticky" post ? :) Aug 25 13:58:27 "Nodes displayed when a category is viewed are sorted by 'promoted' status and then by reverse chronology by date posted. This sort order is hard-coded as into the function taxonomy_select_nodes() in taxonomy.module as follows: ORDER BY n.sticky DESC, n.created DESC. Thus, there is no way for site administrators to choose a different way of presenting content in taxonomies." Aug 25 13:58:35 doh. Aug 25 13:59:30 anyone know where sdpd has gone in the new bluez-utils? Aug 25 13:59:31 ah, old issue Aug 25 13:59:38 (http://drupal.org/node/10839) Aug 25 13:59:46 so the views module is the way to go Aug 25 14:00:04 rwhitby: its functionality is included in hcid now Aug 25 14:00:21 rwhitby: read the bluez utils recipe Aug 25 14:00:55 ok, -s option. thx Aug 25 14:05:55 koen, I need to go now... but I'm really sure you need views, now. See http://drupal.org/handbook/modules/views Aug 25 14:06:00 cya ppl. Aug 25 14:06:06 thanks Aug 25 14:30:21 morning Aug 25 14:34:17 03rpurdie * r961 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): svn.py: Handle paths in svn fetcher module parameter Aug 25 14:39:48 note, exmap-console should be run remote on OSK .... Aug 25 14:53:55 hey mickeyl Aug 25 14:54:12 Crofton|home: if you run it offline, you can use the gui as well Aug 25 14:54:19 hi Aug 25 14:54:21 12 bitbake bugs :) Aug 25 14:54:22 s/offline/remote/ Aug 25 14:56:12 er should not Aug 25 14:57:50 exmap-console does not build on my feora 7 box Aug 25 14:57:56 linakge issues around radline Aug 25 15:13:07 hmm Aug 25 15:13:08 03rpurdie * r962 10bitbake/lib/bb/ui/ncurses.py: ncurses.py: Update so it runs again Aug 25 15:13:29 I am trying to use exmap on my destopto cennect a remtoe server Aug 25 15:13:37 how do I specify the port Aug 25 15:14:03 03rpurdie * r963 10bitbake/bin/bitbake: bin/bitbake: Add UI selection option Aug 25 15:14:40 hmm Aug 25 15:14:44 tis look s promising Aug 25 15:14:57 is this a bad thing to do? Aug 25 15:14:58 SRC_URI = "file://*" Aug 25 15:15:13 torpor: yes Aug 25 15:15:36 but only if i'm not doing a bitbake local myself, right? Aug 25 15:15:58 torpor: Its a very bad idea in general Aug 25 15:16:05 ok Aug 25 15:16:22 i understand why, i'm just trying to work out if its so bad it won't work, or that one of the reasons its so bad is because it does actually work. ;) Aug 25 15:17:18 torpor: The code will simply fail to understand what you mean with the expression and could do anything Aug 25 15:17:28 so .. i'm setting up a brand new autotools-based project to work as a template for brand new moko applications .. i've got the 'boring plain old C' style working, but now trying to get a bit trickier and actually .. you know .. use some of the onboard libs. Aug 25 15:18:02 for my little autotools shell, need i explicitly state every file in the current work dir for the project (getbigger_0.1/) or can i just tell bitbake (all files in that dir are part of the build process) somehow? Aug 25 15:19:51 torpor: put the files in a directory and add that directory name to SRC_URI Aug 25 15:20:03 agh, just the name of the dir .. duh .. ok. Aug 25 15:24:51 ok maybe i don't get it .. i've set up a dir with getbigger.c (simple gtk), i've created configure.ac, i've run autotools on my dir, i now have to tell the .bb which files to copy over so it can then run autotools make too .. ? Aug 25 15:25:33 RP, you know the exmap-console guy right? Aug 25 15:25:40 Crofton|home: I do, yes Aug 25 15:25:53 I think I have a patch for fedora 7 :) Aug 25 15:26:10 torpor: Why didn't you let bitbake run autotools on it? Aug 25 15:26:13 ah I found email Aug 25 15:26:24 Crofton|home: I'm sure there will be interest in that :) Aug 25 15:26:38 I needed to add termcap to teh readline libs for some reason Aug 25 15:27:02 rp i tried to, but its not doing anything on the dir .. Aug 25 15:27:05 I am submittig a paper based on it Sept 15 Aug 25 15:27:16 when it is published I'll send him a copy Aug 25 15:28:25 * koen wonders why people insist on putting their sources in OE instead of making a tarball like everyone else Aug 25 15:29:45 koen, have you played with exmap-console? Aug 25 15:30:09 or does anyone understand this? Aug 25 15:30:14 /proc/exmap: can't get mm for task for pid 2 Aug 25 15:30:15 /proc/exmap: failed save info for pid 2 [-22] Aug 25 15:30:16 Crofton: tf Aug 25 15:31:25 RP: how do i tell bitbake to run autotools on my package, then? do i run it first myself locally, then copy the files over, or what is the 'trigger' that makes bitbake autoconf the dir? Aug 25 15:31:49 have you read the usermanual? Aug 25 15:31:56 specifically the autotools section? Aug 25 15:31:59 i'm reading it now, only 3 pages mention autotools. Aug 25 15:32:10 it just says inherit autotools and that is all i need to do? Aug 25 15:32:22 so what is autotools then looking for to know that its supposed to autoconf/etc? Aug 25 15:32:37 ola Aug 25 15:32:39 :) Aug 25 15:33:01 ola Aug 25 15:33:02 :) Aug 25 15:33:06 :) Aug 25 15:33:08 :D Aug 25 15:33:11 jahsjkahsajk Aug 25 15:33:19 nadie habla? Aug 25 15:34:47 Crofton|home: Please do send a copy of the paper too :) Aug 25 15:34:58 will do Aug 25 15:35:02 it will be boring Aug 25 15:35:17 http://edageek.com/2007/06/11/prismtech-sdr-sca-gumstix/ Aug 25 15:35:20 Crofton|home: Interesting to see what people are using exmap for though Aug 25 15:35:31 basically, I will make fun of these guys methiods :) Aug 25 15:35:58 torpor: The presence of a configure.in or configure.ac file will trigger autotools. Read autotools.nbbclass Aug 25 15:36:18 okay coz i put configure.ac there, but its not going anywhere .. Aug 25 15:37:09 http://rafb.net/p/yrtvWx91.html Aug 25 15:37:48 recipe here: Aug 25 15:37:48 http://rafb.net/p/YxkOq421.html Aug 25 15:38:04 try putting the files actually in svn or make a tarball and stop using bogus PVs Aug 25 15:38:12 oh Aug 25 15:38:14 d'oh! Aug 25 15:38:39 this is just for local consumption koen ... Aug 25 15:38:55 * koen mentions 'tarball' one more time to have an excuse to ignore further issues caused by not using a tarball Aug 25 15:38:57 torpor: Add S = "${WORKDIR}", the default value for S won't be what you want Aug 25 15:39:03 torpor: and? Aug 25 15:39:39 if it's only for local consumption and you don't want to take our advice, why should be try to help you? Aug 25 15:39:39 koen: so i don't wanna set up svn or pack files into a tarball before i can complete my first real, you know .. build .. Aug 25 15:40:05 you're making it harder on yourself by not using a tarball Aug 25 15:40:11 really? Aug 25 15:40:16 yes Aug 25 15:40:36 all i want is a dir with source, a bb file, and a way to run a compile through bitbake. i don't wanna have to tarball my source before i can build it! Aug 25 15:40:51 * koen continues to see a pattern with openmoko users ignoring advice Aug 25 15:41:11 * torpor continues to see a problem with openembedded people thinking they've got the answer for everything Aug 25 15:41:17 sheesh. Aug 25 15:41:36 you know how much sense it makes to tell a newcomer to your system that you have to tarball up your source code before you can compile it?! Aug 25 15:41:38 koen: It is a fair request to build something direct from the files dir or similar tbh Aug 25 15:41:47 i mean, sure, if i was just porting some package to your build system for you, freely, sure. Aug 25 15:41:50 torpor: Did you try what I suggested? Aug 25 15:42:05 but i'm trying to write from fresh scratch for openembedded. i gotta set up a website and a blog for that too, right? Aug 25 15:42:11 RP: yes, but in the end people end up using a release tarball Aug 25 15:42:13 RP: yes, doing it now. thanks for your help. Aug 25 15:42:24 koen: at the *end*. i'm starting. notice a difference? Aug 25 15:42:42 RP: and with a tarball you don't need to frob S and friends Aug 25 15:43:00 koen: Depends on how you create the tarball ;-) Aug 25 15:43:07 okay, configure step is not running no matter what. Aug 25 15:43:28 RP: and starting with learning bad habits is never good Aug 25 15:43:51 koen: its not a bad habit. when i'm ready to put a tarball out there, i'll have gained enough experience with bitbake to know how to do that. thanks. Aug 25 15:44:32 i think there's far too much "package maintainer" attitude here, and not enough "writing brand new apps for the platform as a target, not a port". yet. Aug 25 15:44:36 torpor: Did you clean and rebuild the package? Aug 25 15:44:41 RP: yes. Aug 25 15:44:54 bitbake -f -cclean -b ../hak/getbigger_0.1/getbigger_0.1.bb Aug 25 15:45:15 still no configure step. Aug 25 15:45:15 torpor: I write apps in my ~/projects dir Aug 25 15:45:25 koen: i write apps in my hak/ dir Aug 25 15:45:30 putting sources in OE is insane for 99.99% of all cases Aug 25 15:45:42 you mean in the OE tree? Aug 25 15:45:48 yes Aug 25 15:45:54 i do not do that. Aug 25 15:46:13 koen: For local hacking its perfectly ok. I agree its not acceptable in OE.dev in 99.99% of cases with some notable exceptions Aug 25 15:46:33 torpor: yes, do do, otherwise file:// wouldn't work Aug 25 15:46:40 torpor: Did you remove the other S line from the .bb file? Aug 25 15:46:46 is this a case for BBCOLLECTIONS? Aug 25 15:46:47 i'm not trying to submit a package, quite yet, though. i am trying to get a very simple app built to test the whole setup. then i will start writing directly on the app for moko. Aug 25 15:47:20 Crofton|home: In due course probably but I don't have the strength ;-) Aug 25 15:47:36 I find BBCOLLECTIONS useful for my crap that only annoys 99% of other devs :) Aug 25 15:47:41 you're creating extra work for yourself Aug 25 15:47:42 okay RP .. typo with the new S line .. and its running now. Aug 25 15:47:43 thanks. Aug 25 15:48:07 koen: i'm trying to learn, not work efficiently. Aug 25 15:48:12 torpor: Now understand why changing S helped ;-) Aug 25 15:48:16 RP: yup. Aug 25 15:48:28 torpor: and I'm trying to teach people the efficient way Aug 25 15:48:28 thank you for pointing that out to me. Aug 25 15:48:36 koen: well then you're no teacher for me. Aug 25 15:48:43 RP is. and i appreciate it. thank you. Aug 25 15:48:45 http://trac.geekisp.com/opensdr/browser/OE/ossie_collection Aug 25 15:48:58 is where I keep all my dev bb files Aug 25 15:49:41 koen: i tell you what. the moment i get this built and running on moko, i'll come back and break it so that it lives outside in its own little tarball .. Aug 25 15:50:23 Crofton: for i in *.bb ; do sed -i -e s:'svn${SRCDATE}':'svnr${SRCREV}':g $i ; done Aug 25 15:51:02 heh Aug 25 15:51:09 I know there is some bitrot in there Aug 25 15:51:39 we're still 10 days away from SRCREV activation Aug 25 15:51:51 ok, stupid question, where is install-sh supposed to come from? Aug 25 15:52:38 hmm shoudl I wait ten days for that then? Aug 25 15:53:29 Crofton|home: As long as you're using bitbake 1.8.8 it doesn't matter when you switch Aug 25 15:53:49 torpor: stupid answer, what needs install-sh ? Aug 25 15:54:21 configure Aug 25 15:55:36 torpor: Is that something specific to your configure.ac, it doesn't normally seem to need that? Aug 25 15:56:29 i guess it must be. Aug 25 15:56:31 RP, I just a svn update on bitbake and parsing has slowed down again ... Aug 25 15:56:48 from 1.8 branch Aug 25 15:56:58 Crofton|home: Which revision to which revision? Aug 25 15:57:13 to 963 Aug 25 15:57:30 not sure from where Aug 25 15:57:37 Crofton|home: Which files changed? Aug 25 15:58:20 http://rafb.net/p/XJuGrU12.html Aug 25 15:59:15 Crofton|home: Hmm, I can't tell. Roughly when was the last time you updated? Aug 25 15:59:32 a week or so ago ... Aug 25 15:59:37 not really sure Aug 25 15:59:59 It must have been after the 1.8.8 release, I can tell that much Aug 25 16:00:19 I have the follwoing dates on source file (In Aug) Aug 25 16:00:28 5,18,25 Aug 25 16:00:32 er 19 Aug 25 16:00:37 not 18 Aug 25 16:01:10 checking for OPENMOKO... yes Aug 25 16:01:10 | /home/j/hak/openmoko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/getbigger-0.1-r0/configure: line 4513: src/Makefile.am: Permission denied Aug 25 16:01:17 eh? Aug 25 16:01:19 also a 12 Aug 25 16:01:34 check perms on that file? Aug 25 16:01:44 ls -l /home/j/hak/openmoko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/getbigger-0.1-r0/configure Aug 25 16:01:49 erm.. its not supposed to be executable. . Aug 25 16:02:11 src/Makefile.am .. to be executed? Aug 25 16:02:16 Crofton|home: 18 was the 1.8.8 release Aug 25 16:02:24 should be readabkle though Aug 25 16:02:36 looks like I alst updated on teh 19'th Aug 25 16:03:16 Crofton|home: That puts the slowdown somewhere between now and r947 Aug 25 16:03:31 8 possible changes :) Aug 25 16:03:42 should I update to another rev if I get bored? Aug 25 16:04:54 Crofton|home: It would help me to know which change it was. The choices are 947, 953, 954, 955, 956, 958 or 960 and you could do it by bisection :) Aug 25 16:06:20 I'll try and have a look later, I'm in the middle of playing with trunk atm ;-) Aug 25 16:06:24 ok Aug 25 16:06:40 955 gave me an invalid cache, rebuilding Aug 25 16:06:49 I'll have to run twiec Aug 25 16:06:54 guess I can shower now :) Aug 25 16:07:02 I changed the cache in 960 Aug 25 16:07:19 Hang on though, when you say its slower, which part are you saying is slower? Aug 25 16:07:22 hmm Aug 25 16:07:35 * mickeyl still "Warning: unable to open initial console" Aug 25 16:07:55 mickeyl: Did someone change the init script order? Aug 25 16:08:06 no idea Aug 25 16:08:15 let me check the commits from yesterday Aug 25 16:09:47 okay whats a safer way to do this: Aug 25 16:09:47 install -m 0644 ${WORKDIR}/getbigger.desktop ${D}${datadir}/applications/getbigger.desktop Aug 25 16:10:33 torpor: Did you use install -d first? Aug 25 16:10:56 nope. Aug 25 16:11:13 i'm assuming that for openmoko it'll be there already, no? Aug 25 16:11:58 torpor: Look at what bitbake sets D to and then tell me why that's a bad assumption ;-) Aug 25 16:12:08 ok Aug 25 16:12:10 its local Aug 25 16:12:26 but .. when i put the .ipk over there on my little moko, won't it be rude of me to install -d ? Aug 25 16:13:26 no i can't see to see something related to initscripts Aug 25 16:13:48 rp, the handling bitbakle files line Aug 25 16:14:01 liek right now it is really slow handling the last few percent Aug 25 16:14:16 4618/4624 Aug 25 16:14:27 now go to 4620 Aug 25 16:14:33 4621 Aug 25 16:14:44 almost realtime update from me Aug 25 16:15:19 ok, seconf run is fats Aug 25 16:15:20 Crofton|home: This is with a valid or an invalid cache though? Aug 25 16:15:23 hmm.. Aug 25 16:15:23 run is fast Aug 25 16:15:30 okay i put my .ipk on there, it installs, but i get this: Aug 25 16:15:30 getbigger: error while loading shared libraries: libmokoui.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Aug 25 16:15:34 wassup with that? Aug 25 16:15:43 valid cache is goog at r955 Aug 25 16:15:49 i thought i did all this bitbake malarky so that i could be sure i wasn't going to get such a problem.. Aug 25 16:16:15 Crofton|home: I'm just trying to work out whether its the first run with a cold cache or the second run with a valid cache thats slowed down Aug 25 16:16:25 I understand Aug 25 16:16:35 Crofton|home: did the cache change in 960 just catch you out? Aug 25 16:16:48 let me check Aug 25 16:16:57 Crofton|home: It would force a reparse as the file format changed in the revision Aug 25 16:17:32 give me few minutes and I will let you know Aug 25 16:27:22 rp, looks like you are correct, I got caught by format change Aug 25 16:27:39 thanks for helping me proe that to myself Aug 25 16:28:06 Crofton|home: np, I'm pleased it was just that :) Aug 25 16:28:16 it just caught me off guard Aug 25 16:28:27 I haven't changed the cache in a while :) Aug 25 16:34:37 RP: hmm, on closing, psplash appears Aug 25 16:34:42 so it definitely looks like some init stuff Aug 25 16:34:53 did anyone upgrade initscripts or udev or something lately? Aug 25 16:35:31 thank you for the help RP and mickeyl - i got my first app written built and installed on my openmoko and am very happy .. now i can really crank out some nice things .. ;) Aug 25 16:36:33 mickeyl: It sounds like some files are missing from /dev at initial boot. psplash starts very early but there should be some files there... Aug 25 16:37:19 right, so someone may have changed the device table? Aug 25 16:38:50 mickeyl: devices*.txt was hacked around with a bit lately to fix the makedevs issue .. Aug 25 16:39:32 mickeyl: I think the last person to touch it will have been me... Aug 25 16:39:34 grrr Aug 25 16:39:36 :D Aug 25 16:39:54 et tu brute Aug 25 16:40:11 mickeyl: I did that due to changes to makedevs which looked ok at a quick glance Aug 25 16:40:27 koen: "Unknown group netdev in dbus configuration file" Aug 25 16:44:23 actually i've been meaning to complain about makedevs.c .. may i? Aug 25 16:45:36 sure Aug 25 16:45:48 mailing list may be more appropriate than irc though Aug 25 16:46:25 well .. ok. Aug 25 16:46:50 i just wanna say that makedevs is a crap place to mkdir()'s and that /bin/tinylogin should be being set up properly elsewhere, not with the devs bootstrap tool .. Aug 25 16:47:14 torpor: Which is why those entries were removed Aug 25 16:47:46 ok Aug 25 16:47:54 torpor: but I've told you that several times already :-( Aug 25 16:48:06 yes, but like i said i just wanted to complain about it! Aug 25 16:48:11 i did ask permission! :) Aug 25 16:48:14 {sorry} Aug 25 16:48:28 torpor: what is the point in complaining about something we've already fixed? Aug 25 16:48:48 torpor: What else do you want us to do? Aug 25 16:49:04 erm. Aug 25 16:49:31 nothing. please ignore me. i like your work. i just didn't know if mickeyl had caught up on what had happened with makedevs.c this week. Aug 25 16:49:50 i didn't. thanks for the update Aug 25 16:50:19 * mickeyl reverts devicetable and sees whether this fixes the initial console problem Aug 25 16:50:33 mickeyl, I see the unknow netdev group also on osk Aug 25 16:50:41 * torpor goes back to gloating over his new app-making sk1llz .. Aug 25 16:50:53 Crofton: this looks relatively new to me. was this introduce in -r3? Aug 25 16:50:57 mickeyl: I also removed a mkdir in image.bbclass. In theory the line in the devicetable file should work instead but... Aug 25 16:51:02 Crofton: does it prevent dbus from starting up or is that just a warning? Aug 25 16:51:21 RP: aah. so should i look whether /dev is there? Aug 25 16:51:25 (in rootfs) Aug 25 16:51:26 1525 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system Aug 25 16:51:35 so, it's just a warning Aug 25 16:51:39 mickeyl: might be an idea, if not makedevs isn't working Aug 25 16:52:13 I have stuff in dev and it is in a tmpfs Aug 25 16:52:32 makedevs worked fine for me all week once the "/dev d" and "/bin d" entries were added to the devicetable files.. Aug 25 16:53:05 "/bin d" was not added... Aug 25 16:53:09 * RP sighs Aug 25 16:53:39 oh, maybe i added that myself locally .. d'oh! :) Aug 25 17:07:12 RP: reverting your change in *.bbclass repairs psplash Aug 25 17:09:24 mickeyl: oops :/ Aug 25 17:09:40 mickeyl: makedevs needs looking at as the directory creation isn't working then :-( Aug 25 17:14:02 bummer Aug 25 17:22:45 RP: I am to blame then, my colleague tested it to work. Aug 25 17:22:55 RP: and I committed it. Aug 25 17:23:09 ~beat likewise Aug 25 17:23:10 * ibot beats likewise with a very wet, sticky noodle Aug 25 17:23:14 ouch Aug 25 17:23:22 ~kill likewise Aug 25 17:23:22 yummy Aug 25 17:23:23 * ibot shoots a magneto-ionized fluxquark gun at likewise Aug 25 17:23:24 noodle Aug 25 17:23:28 hmm Aug 25 17:23:38 what doesn't ibot know? Aug 25 17:23:41 (pizza actually is what keeps me busy) Aug 25 17:24:04 ~slay likewise Aug 25 17:24:05 * ibot brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, likewise!" apt lops off likewise's head. Aug 25 17:24:08 Let's commit something else instead then. Aug 25 17:24:10 arrgh Aug 25 17:24:26 ~wack likewise Aug 25 17:24:34 ahh Aug 25 17:24:42 finally, the bot is speechless Aug 25 17:28:33 03likewise 07org.oe.dev * r7222928a... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-x86_2.6.20.bb): linux-x86: Build bzImage, some kernels grew too large for zImage. Aug 25 17:29:54 argh.angstrom-console-image is now building X? Aug 25 17:33:16 I think console has python which builds x Aug 25 17:33:31 Sigh. I hate these dependencies. Aug 25 17:33:42 we should create the dependency graph and post it Aug 25 17:33:56 so we have a reference when this comes up Aug 25 17:34:12 i thought it could be done with bitbake already? Aug 25 17:34:22 it can Aug 25 17:34:45 I think ou can post process it with dot and make an image Aug 25 17:35:25 ~club dependencies Aug 25 17:35:53 ok, so the bot can only kill and mame in limited ways Aug 25 17:42:49 Crofton|home: you having fun with the bot today? :-) Aug 25 17:44:22 * mwester thinks the bot needs some new data in the database, we've seen it's entire repertoire by now... Aug 25 17:46:05 mickey|offline: the netdev warning has been there since dbus 0. Aug 25 17:59:06 Crofton|home: Our dependency graph is that complicated most .dot visualisers break :-( Aug 25 18:08:22 even bootstrap image seems to build X here... strange Aug 25 18:10:29 RP: -I IGNORED_DOT_DEPS isn't by any chance a regexp? Aug 25 18:11:21 I want to find out where the X dep comes in, wondering if this is a local misconfig. Aug 25 18:13:01 "avahi-discover" -> "python-pygtk" [style=dashed] Aug 25 18:14:47 The depency explosion comes from two issues (1) the task-base stuff by (faulty) design builds every package mentioned, even if it isn't enabled by FEATURE. Then avahi-discover depends on python-pygtk, which brings in X. Bye bye bootstrap-image. Aug 25 18:14:59 +den Aug 25 18:17:32 avahi discover is a buildtime dep, not a runtime dep Aug 25 18:23:31 koen: but a bootstrap-image (r)depending on X doesn't sound right to me. Aug 25 18:24:02 it just builds x Aug 25 18:24:09 I see no problem there Aug 25 18:24:40 I thought we were over the OMG X BAD OPIE RULES OMG WTF BBQ sentiments Aug 25 18:24:55 likewise: There is a feature reuqest for that... Aug 25 18:28:39 you could break out the python stuf into a seperate avahi-python package Aug 25 18:30:33 koen: I have no GUI sentiments whatsoever, that's not my point. Because we lack USE flags (or similar) every possible dependency is created. Should we split up more (like you now suggest), or introduce USE, or use different package names for different configs, etc... Aug 25 18:31:49 I feel like losing control when the OE framework and metadata has no dependency policy whatsoever. Aug 25 18:35:42 will stop whining now, and think about a solution :-) Aug 25 18:36:33 likewise: The thought has always been that build time constraints are a secondary contraint over supporting wide features and maintaining single versions of a package rather than multiple versions, one of which usually bittrots Aug 25 18:37:54 likewise: USE flags really don't fit in with the OE way of doing things and mean we start to have yet more configuration premutations when we can't even keep the number we currently have stable Aug 25 18:39:05 RP: ok, so the basic idea is: build deps are not "expensive" because they happen on the host? Aug 25 18:39:47 likewise: right Aug 25 18:48:21 but we don't lack "USE" - we have local.conf and can pass variables using this file ;-) Aug 25 18:48:54 EXTRA_OECONF_pn-frop = "--enable-xtra-leetness" Aug 25 18:49:22 yay Aug 25 18:49:41 it is only annoying when uyou are in a hurry for something and the build takes forever Aug 25 18:49:47 like me last night Aug 25 18:50:04 Crofton, --disable-xtra-leetness? :) Aug 25 18:55:12 PREFERRED_PROVIDERS += "virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}depmod:module-init-tools-cross" Aug 25 18:55:22 This line s no longer needed? Aug 25 19:01:12 sakoman, gm Aug 25 19:01:20 good morning! Aug 25 19:01:42 had some success with the new boot method on connex Aug 25 19:01:48 great Aug 25 19:01:59 how far did it get? Aug 25 19:02:10 can you pastebin the log? Aug 25 19:02:19 all the way to the login prompt & beyond Aug 25 19:02:28 thats really good Aug 25 19:02:32 getting a bunch of alignment traps though Aug 25 19:02:39 I suspect there is some tweaking needed Aug 25 19:02:42 ug Aug 25 19:02:53 that is not good Aug 25 19:02:55 Alignment trap: login (297) PC=0x40002830 Instr=0xe1c02df8 Address=0x4000520c FSR 0x813 Aug 25 19:03:05 in the sense I have no idea how to debug Aug 25 19:03:09 Hard to see what is going on there are so many of them! Aug 25 19:03:45 Checked in in linux config, there is a setting for alignment traps Aug 25 19:04:17 Default is to do a fixup and print a message to console Aug 25 19:04:20 have you tried googling for arm alignemnt traps? Aug 25 19:04:24 Which seems to be what it is doing Aug 25 19:04:50 That's my next step, just wanted to check to see if you had other reports Aug 25 19:05:32 no Aug 25 19:05:39 asmola, has made good progress Aug 25 19:05:53 I don't remember him having alignment traps Aug 25 19:05:56 Perhaps a compiler setting, Craig at gumstix said he saw them earlier in verdex development but then they went away :-) Aug 25 19:06:11 heh Aug 25 19:06:13 He suspected it happened after a compiler change Aug 25 19:06:26 Think he is using one rev back from OE Aug 25 19:06:26 we use a pretty recent compiler Aug 25 19:06:49 I think you can switch to angstrom-2008 and get a later one :) Aug 25 19:07:19 I sent asmola my boot log so he can compare to verdex, perhaps a clue there Aug 25 19:07:46 http://netwinder.osuosl.org/users/b/brianbr/public_html/alignment.html Aug 25 19:07:57 he has not been around today Aug 25 19:08:37 Other than that there are some boot messages complaining about udev and tmpfs Aug 25 19:08:45 Got an email from him early this am Aug 25 19:08:49 yeah Aug 25 19:09:56 look at the package base-files Aug 25 19:09:56 Yup, saw that link during my initial google search Aug 25 19:10:23 Should there be a special fstab for gumstix-xxxxx? Aug 25 19:10:53 Just started looking at that, looks simple to customize Aug 25 19:10:55 there is an omap5912osk directory that has the fstab for the OSK Aug 25 19:11:14 yeah Aug 25 19:11:30 I always point to the OSK, becasue that is on my desk :) Aug 25 19:11:42 OK, I'll look at that as well as the buildroot version of fstab and put together something that works Aug 25 19:12:04 First want to tackle the alignment issue to cut down on the noise! Aug 25 19:12:05 http://ossie.wireless.vt.edu/trac/wiki/EmbeddedSDR Aug 25 19:12:06 :) Aug 25 19:12:12 that would be great Aug 25 19:12:27 you can send me diffs created with mtn diff and I can push them Aug 25 19:12:48 Will do! Aug 25 19:13:51 there were some guys in here earlier who may have known aboutthe traps Aug 25 19:13:58 but they are all in EU Aug 25 19:14:07 I suspect they are hitting the pubs :) Aug 25 19:14:19 not everyone in EU is hitting the pub ;-) Aug 25 19:14:30 Not that I know much about traps, though ;-) Aug 25 19:14:35 yeah Aug 25 19:14:38 I know what it is Aug 25 19:14:50 Here's my gumstix project (a product for off grid solar installations) Aug 25 19:14:52 http://www.sakoman.com/content/view/14/49/ Aug 25 19:15:03 Yeah, it's something, knowledge thereof puts you into pub ;-) Aug 25 19:15:28 neat Aug 25 19:15:55 nice pics. Aug 25 19:16:11 Well, bath time! (to avoid pubtraps:)) Aug 25 19:16:36 Crofton|home: usrp, efika and osk? Aug 25 19:16:40 yeah Aug 25 19:17:08 I hacked it together in a hurry so I ahd something to talk about at our symposium Aug 25 19:17:17 It really did work :) Aug 25 19:17:28 http://ossie.wireless.vt.edu/trac/wiki/GettingStartedWithEmbeddedSDR is a bit outdated Aug 25 19:18:04 heh Aug 25 19:18:18 sometimes I feel like a one man show Aug 25 19:18:38 yeah, we watch with a beer :-) Aug 25 19:19:01 beer later Aug 25 19:19:12 still only 1530 here Aug 25 19:19:34 it's saturday, the rules don't apply Aug 25 19:19:40 ugh Aug 25 19:19:56 I am going to deepest darkest weast virginia next Thursday Aug 25 19:20:11 I want to have a lot of thesis in shape to send to advisor before I leave Aug 25 19:20:19 no rest until I get to WV Aug 25 19:20:33 Chapter 3 done yet? :-) Aug 25 19:20:37 http://www.balister.org/~balister/otr_a_while_ago.png Aug 25 19:20:41 Almost Aug 25 19:22:06 alright guys, my wife leaves in ten minutes and I can concentrate Aug 25 19:22:15 so I need to hide from you Aug 25 19:22:48 * koen finished reassembling the yashica after cleaning it Aug 25 19:23:48 camera? Aug 25 19:24:14 Crofton|home: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/yashica-mat-124g Aug 25 19:24:26 I suspect the camera is older than I am Aug 25 19:25:03 young punks Aug 25 19:25:16 The uni introduction week is now Aug 25 19:25:22 *those* are young punks Aug 25 19:25:25 heh Aug 25 19:25:31 that was last week Aug 25 19:25:45 I find myself looking at the mothers .... Aug 25 19:26:56 in 90 minutes the foam party starts: http://vbnieuw.rename-it.nl/webcam/webcamgvb Aug 25 19:27:47 hmmm, next week about this time, I will be avoiding the ramen noodle wretling Aug 25 19:29:03 ehm Aug 25 19:29:17 did you say 'noodle wrestling'? Aug 25 19:30:38 koen: beautiful camera! Had one years ago, back when I was still doing chemical photos Aug 25 19:30:55 it indeed is Aug 25 19:31:08 can't wait till mondau when the negatives are done Aug 25 19:31:11 reliable, takes great quality pics Aug 25 19:31:24 (and till the scanner arrives to properly scan them) Aug 25 19:31:56 I sold mine, as well as all of my other medium format gear Aug 25 19:32:01 and darkroom stuff Aug 25 19:32:09 Kept the 8 x 10 though :-) Aug 25 19:32:14 :) Aug 25 19:32:37 I need to visit my parents attic soon to see if I can reuse some stuff Aug 25 19:32:42 Don't even have to take pictures, it's just magical to get under the cloth and look at the world :-) Aug 25 19:32:47 like remote shutter cords Aug 25 19:33:02 Still have a few of those Aug 25 19:33:08 upside down and mirrored? Aug 25 19:33:22 Too bad you aren't in northern Ca, you could have them :-) Aug 25 19:33:39 Yes, but 8" x 10" Aug 25 19:33:41 ! Aug 25 19:34:07 I wonder how much trouble it would be geting them through airport security Aug 25 19:34:38 Shutter cords? Not much, would look like a short cable on xray Aug 25 19:34:54 I was thinnking of biiger pieces Aug 25 19:35:20 Longest I've seen are just a couple of feet Aug 25 19:42:41 any ixp425 veterans ? Aug 25 19:42:46 interfaith: yes Aug 25 19:42:53 ixp420, but hey Aug 25 19:43:17 trying to get my board out from montavista and into oe Aug 25 19:43:38 interfaith: poor you, I never started with mv. Aug 25 19:43:47 interfaith: custom board? Aug 25 19:43:49 existing slugos etc builds fine Aug 25 19:44:05 interfaith: OE latest revision? Aug 25 19:44:15 a modified board basically like the intel monte jade Aug 25 19:44:22 I'm using an older snapshot myself, some subtle thing have changed. Aug 25 19:44:33 interfaith: ok, we use a slight mod'd IXDP425. Aug 25 19:44:47 the new mtd can do the P30 flash which is on board Aug 25 19:44:59 interfaith: you trying to get that working? Aug 25 19:45:05 oe looks promising Aug 25 19:45:29 interfaith: we are to release two oe-built ixp4xx products soon Aug 25 19:46:08 the oe kernel boots, but does not grab the rootfs, perhaps an all in one can be done Aug 25 19:46:24 grab? Aug 25 19:46:32 all-in-one? initramfs? Aug 25 19:46:53 the kernel just hangs after an initial boot message Aug 25 19:47:05 interfaith: uncompressing? Aug 25 19:47:19 what's the last few lines? Aug 25 19:47:54 done, booting the kernel Aug 25 19:48:34 oe has a wealth of examples, however making use of it all is a bit challenging :) Aug 25 19:48:37 looks like your machine type is not set up correctly Aug 25 19:48:58 ixp4xxbe Aug 25 19:48:58 interfaith: start with helloworld-image as your bitbake target would be my first goal Aug 25 19:49:08 yes, but what is your bootloader? Aug 25 19:49:11 yes i tried that Aug 25 19:49:13 redboot Aug 25 19:49:25 so distro features += redboot ? Aug 25 19:49:29 #the ixp4xx(be) kernel Aug 25 19:49:30 no Aug 25 19:49:43 yes i have that machine type Aug 25 19:49:47 the ixp4xx(be) kernel needs a machine type (which is normally passed from redboot) Aug 25 19:49:56 machine type is a number Aug 25 19:50:17 in local.conf ? Aug 25 19:50:58 no, what I try to explain is Linux/ARM related, has nothing to do with OE. Aug 25 19:50:59 http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/machines/ Aug 25 19:51:17 the kernel will not boot if your machine number is not set up correctly during the boot phase Aug 25 19:51:22 the regular kernel.org lets you specify ixp425 and ixpdpg425 Aug 25 19:51:40 interfaith: yes, and you can enable them both Aug 25 19:51:52 somehow oe should easily use that .config Aug 25 19:51:54 the OE ixp4xx has support for far more ixp4xx devices Aug 25 19:52:21 NOW, the bootloader MUST set the machine type so that the kernel will start with the correct machine initialization code Aug 25 19:52:27 so simply edit the default config file and rebuild ? Aug 25 19:52:28 I should update my avila sometime Aug 25 19:52:43 hi all Aug 25 19:52:53 interfaith: what machine number does your bootloader pass to the kernel? Aug 25 19:53:10 redboot.. ? it must be for the ixp425 Aug 25 19:53:25 ixp425 is a processor, not a machine Aug 25 19:53:26 i modified redboot to support the p30 Aug 25 19:53:40 these are the machines: http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/machines/ Aug 25 19:53:50 ok i will search that thx Aug 25 19:54:09 RedBoot> mfill -b 0x600000 -l 4 -p 0xe3a01c03 Aug 25 19:54:10 RedBoot> mfill -b 0x600004 -l 4 -p 0xe38110be Aug 25 19:54:13 :) Aug 25 19:54:28 that sets up r1 for my ep93xx board Aug 25 19:56:42 it is ixdpg425 from that website Aug 25 19:56:55 604 Aug 25 19:58:20 the stock kernel from kernel.org supports ixp425 and ixdpg425 so oe should be able to builda rootfs for that easily Aug 25 20:00:29 03likewise 07org.oe.dev * rd18feb1d... 10/ (1 packages/images/helloworld-image.bb): helloworld-image: trimmed the .bb, had second copy of itself Aug 25 20:00:48 interfaith: what is special about the OE kernels is that they have a small piece of code just in front of the kernel, that sets the machine type (hardcoded!), so the bootloader does not have to. Aug 25 20:01:38 the oe ixp kernels Aug 25 20:01:43 not oe kernels in general Aug 25 20:02:15 interfaith: however, I think the OE IXP zImage does not have this machine type code prefix, so that should run on your board, IF you have ixdp425 enabled there. Aug 25 20:03:08 interfaith: if this is new to you, first make sure you understand how Linux/ARM boots, as this is really not-OE related. Aug 25 20:03:10 ixdpg425 Aug 25 20:03:20 ixdpg425, fine Aug 25 20:03:25 hmm Aug 25 20:03:52 interfaith: did the bitbake build for the ixp kernel complete for you? Aug 25 20:03:58 my previous embedded project was 386 , years ago Aug 25 20:04:04 yes Aug 25 20:04:14 interfaith: cd into build/tmp/deploy/ Aug 25 20:04:17 bitbake task-base builds several zimages Aug 25 20:04:18 yes Aug 25 20:04:26 there are 4 images Aug 25 20:04:29 no file system Aug 25 20:04:35 kernel images? Aug 25 20:04:51 in images/ ? Aug 25 20:05:02 yes about 1meg zImage files for several types Aug 25 20:05:10 yes in the images Aug 25 20:05:25 to get a rootfs i had to use generic distro Aug 25 20:05:35 ???? Aug 25 20:05:36 is any type matching your machine? Aug 25 20:05:57 well there is the ixp425 type Aug 25 20:06:01 and slugos type Aug 25 20:06:17 ixp425 or ixdp425? Aug 25 20:06:39 nslu2be3, ixp4xxbe Aug 25 20:06:55 fsg3be and dsmg600be Aug 25 20:07:07 and nas100dbe Aug 25 20:07:19 i guess these are all enabled in the default config file ? Aug 25 20:07:26 ixp4xxbe is the one you want. *However* we now need to check if support for ixdp425 was compiled in. Please follow me... Aug 25 20:07:38 cd back to your openembedded dir Aug 25 20:07:43 yes Aug 25 20:07:53 cd build/tmp/work/linux-ixp-*/linux-2.6.*/ Aug 25 20:08:10 (this is where the kernel was built from its source) Aug 25 20:09:07 Read the .config file there and see if your platform was enabled ( I'm guessing: no) Aug 25 20:09:34 right i will check for that under /stuff/build/tmp ? Aug 25 20:09:40 yes Aug 25 20:10:21 Should be something like /stuff/build/tmp/work/linux-ixp*/linux-2.6.*/ Aug 25 20:10:34 yes i have been there before Aug 25 20:11:05 i have work/ixp4xxbe-linux Aug 25 20:11:19 then another ixp4xx-kernel-2.6... Aug 25 20:11:35 ah yes, go in there, and then the linux-2.6 dir Aug 25 20:11:39 got it Aug 25 20:11:56 now in linux-2.6 Aug 25 20:12:05 look at .config ? Aug 25 20:12:09 yup Aug 25 20:12:39 ok if i now enable ixdpg and save ..then rebuild ? Aug 25 20:13:31 yes i tried this before on a previous oe install, but wondered if making a change here would work Aug 25 20:13:32 interfaith: no that won't work Aug 25 20:13:44 ok then what change to make ? Aug 25 20:13:54 first: was your board enabled in the .config Aug 25 20:13:55 ? Aug 25 20:14:08 no ixdpg425 was not Aug 25 20:14:22 ixdp425 yes Aug 25 20:14:26 hi chouimat Aug 25 20:14:56 this .config files originates from its build recipe, which is in org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux-ixp4xx/linux-ixp4xx_2.6.19/files/ (or something similar). Aug 25 20:15:46 some package in linux .. shall i search for ixdp425 ? Aug 25 20:15:53 then change it ? Aug 25 20:15:57 You should try to understand what happens in org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux-ixp4xx/linux-ixp4xx_2.6.21.bb, and add your machine to the bitbake files and add support in the defconfig in files/ Aug 25 20:16:54 right i will search that out..the details of ixp4xx bb files Aug 25 20:17:05 i have been there and saw many patches Aug 25 20:17:16 interfaith: However, if this is your first encounter with OpenEmbedded,you might push your luck a bit. I would first learn how OE works by reading the docs and choosing a x86 target or so. Aug 25 20:17:25 so just modify those.. bb files Aug 25 20:17:40 ha ha..yes i have tried to digest bitbake and several manuals Aug 25 20:17:47 OE has a steep learning curve I would say, especially if you are not experienced with stuff like buildroot. Aug 25 20:18:12 hmm well i was looking for a list of commands.. which did not appear anywhere Aug 25 20:18:14 interfaith: in those .bb you see the machine types you saw earlier Aug 25 20:18:44 right.. i think i can search the ixp4xx bb files and make changes Aug 25 20:18:50 interfaith: there is the bitbake tool, and OpenEmbedded provides the bitbake recipes (makefiles, but different). Aug 25 20:19:10 interfaith: you would want to learn both Aug 25 20:19:14 good luck Aug 25 20:19:16 thx Aug 25 20:19:26 hope on the horizon :) Aug 25 20:19:48 interfaith: well, we prefered OE over MV, so yes :-) Aug 25 20:19:58 right on ! Aug 25 20:20:08 :) Aug 25 20:20:34 oe looks very promising !.. Aug 25 20:20:36 some of the mv guys are doing great work though Aug 25 20:21:49 is there a debug command to help follow the flow of a build ? Aug 25 20:23:43 bitbake -D (up to 3 times) Aug 25 20:23:57 and there is the -v flag as well Aug 25 20:24:08 this is all in the wiki and docs. Aug 25 20:24:15 right Aug 25 20:24:37 likewise: the OE founder works at MV :) Aug 25 20:24:47 ha ha Aug 25 20:24:53 interesting Aug 25 20:25:17 koen: Shame, I didn't even know OE was single-person founded?? Aug 25 20:26:25 kergoth mickey and schurig founded it proper Aug 25 20:26:52 and timesys ? a derivative of mv ? Aug 25 20:29:09 in my packages/linux/ixp4xx-lernel there are only defconfig files Aug 25 20:29:25 can i simply change the defconfig ? then rebuild ? Aug 25 20:29:41 koen: who's at mv of them? Aug 25 20:29:55 kergoth Aug 25 20:29:56 interfaith: I think yes Aug 25 20:30:01 in Phoenix Aug 25 20:30:17 interfaith: bitbake ixp4xx-kernel -c rebuild will do that for you Aug 25 20:30:18 The open source sommunity can get pretty incestuous :) Aug 25 20:30:40 i am sure i have tried that.. better just search the oe files for the keyword ixdp425 etc Aug 25 20:31:04 which points only to the default config files mentioned Aug 25 20:31:11 so just change and rebuild ? Aug 25 20:31:47 oh ,there are about 5 kernel versions there.. so change them all or find the one being used Aug 25 20:31:48 interfaith: yes, afterwards check if the /work/ .. /.config file contains your change, just to double-check Aug 25 20:31:52 interfaith: your best bet is to poke rwhitby about arm-kernel-shim Aug 25 20:32:03 interfaith: the one you use only Aug 25 20:32:12 yes i have had a note from him Aug 25 20:32:13 koen: the standard ixp4xx kernel does not have a shim Aug 25 20:32:32 I haven't looked at it for a while Aug 25 20:32:34 koen: only the machine specific ones get the "hardcode the machine type" shim, AFAIK Aug 25 20:32:57 so for interfaith, if his RedBoot sets the machine type to "604" for the IXDPG425, he should be fine Aug 25 20:33:39 koen: but I liked your RedBoot commands to overwrite the shim :-) Aug 25 20:33:59 any of you guys understand alignment traps on arms? Aug 25 20:34:08 i must say that openwrt almost booted .. completely Aug 25 20:34:37 Crofton|home: yes a bit Aug 25 20:35:03 Crofton|home: sorry, my answer should be: no, only a bity Aug 25 20:35:05 -y Aug 25 20:35:18 sakoman, has angstrom booting on teh gumstix connex Aug 25 20:35:30 but he sees lots of alignment traps Aug 25 20:36:55 hi crofton Aug 25 20:38:15 * likewise looking up wth is a connex and why don't i have one Aug 25 20:38:31 basix? Aug 25 20:38:53 basix and connex are pxa255 Aug 25 20:39:01 verdex are pxa270 Aug 25 20:39:25 hmm, should be nothing special hardware wise. Aug 25 20:39:36 tried fiddling with the linux .conf alignment trap settings Aug 25 20:39:58 sakoman: angstrom 2007.1 ? Aug 25 20:40:15 yes Aug 25 20:40:25 we need to remove the reference to the generix distro on teh getting started page ... Aug 25 20:41:32 sakoman: Any app or driver that is custom? Aug 25 20:42:43 nope, stock OE gumstix-connex Aug 25 20:44:16 sakoman: also custom kernel config regarding the traps, i.e. anyone should see it in their kernel logs? Aug 25 20:45:03 yes, happens with stock config Aug 25 20:45:18 I'll post boot log - - one moment Aug 25 20:46:01 OK, boot log at: http://www.sakoman.net/oe/boot.txt Aug 25 20:46:41 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8ae475c0... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux.inc): linux.inc: add PV into uboot comment Aug 25 20:46:44 03likewise 07org.oe.dev * r45ca9678... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Fixed x86-prescott and added x86-32-nocona machines. Aug 25 20:47:07 Alignment traps start after failure of tmpfs mount Aug 25 20:47:38 but they are only seen on connex, not verdex? Aug 25 20:48:34 and this? ramfs: Bad mount option size Aug 25 20:48:52 sent a note to asmola to see if he has seen them, but no response yet Aug 25 20:49:01 * Crofton|home will now poke fun at SW engineering types by citing "UML 2 r Dummies" in his thesis :) Aug 25 20:51:21 Crofton|home: one of the better typo's yes Aug 25 20:51:59 need to step away for 1/2 hour Aug 25 20:53:13 good luck with the gumstix Aug 25 20:59:08 hi folks, i'm reading the user manual, doing step by step the "hello world" example, but it is not clear, and I think a little bit wrong. Aug 25 20:59:20 hm Aug 25 20:59:25 whats wrong? Aug 25 20:59:40 emre_: explain where it goes wrong Aug 25 20:59:41 I created a dir. structure; Aug 25 20:59:46 please file a bug in the bugtracker with the corrections Aug 25 21:00:04 oe/local-packages/myhelloword/hello.c Aug 25 21:00:18 oe/local-packages/myhelloworld_0.1.bb Aug 25 21:00:46 sorry, oe/local-packages/myhelloworld/files/hello.c Aug 25 21:01:00 and making bitbake, but it is trying to fetch the hello.c from the local-packages dir. not from the files/ Aug 25 21:01:16 cp: cannot stat `/home/emre/moko/openembedded/local-packages/myhelloworld/myhelloworld.c': No such file or directory Aug 25 21:01:46 I don't think it is a bug, I think I'm doing sth wrong. Aug 25 21:02:50 directory structure is exactly this: Aug 25 21:02:51 local-packages/ Aug 25 21:02:51 local-packages/myhelloworld_0.1.bb Aug 25 21:02:51 local-packages/myhelloworld Aug 25 21:02:51 local-packages/myhelloworld/files Aug 25 21:02:51 local-packages/myhelloworld/files/README.txt Aug 25 21:02:53 local-packages/myhelloworld/files/myhelloworld.c Aug 25 21:06:34 emre_, pastbin Aug 25 21:06:37 ~pastebin Aug 25 21:06:37 extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well Aug 25 21:08:35 cool, i didn't know that. tnx. Aug 25 21:08:56 np Aug 25 21:09:12 it makes it much easier to share logs and files with us Aug 25 21:09:31 anything over one or two lines should go to a pastebin :) Aug 25 21:15:29 yes, Aug 25 21:15:31 true Aug 25 21:15:33 :-) Aug 25 21:16:14 Is it required to set a DISTRO in OE, or does setting a few variables (IMAGE_PKsuffice? Aug 25 21:16:37 hi pH5 Aug 25 21:16:49 hi likewise Aug 25 21:17:24 Need to do some gaming while my build server does the hard work :-) Aug 25 21:17:27 hi ph5 Aug 25 21:19:50 hi woglinde Aug 25 21:22:33 morning Aug 25 21:22:55 some crazy guy want to have qtopia on neo1973 ;D Aug 25 21:25:54 My ericsson started to show signs of coming death... Aug 25 21:25:57 hi! can someone give me some hints how to run a "qemuarm" image + kernel with the "qemu-system-arm" emulator of bibake's staging directoryz Aug 25 21:26:04 -z +z Aug 25 21:26:17 argh. you know... a ? ;) Aug 25 21:26:30 hrw, it is really funny how some software becomes very desirable for very strange reasons Aug 25 21:26:35 Cyberdeck, iirc it compiles sdl with no x11 support which prevents you from running it... Aug 25 21:26:35 Cyberdeck: Poky has scripts for it Aug 25 21:26:51 at least I had to change sdl-native recipe Aug 25 21:27:07 polyonymous: ty. i suspected that. Aug 25 21:27:21 hrw: ok. i'll try poky. Aug 25 21:28:04 good night all. have to count some binary sheeps. 0 1 10 11 100 101 110 111 ... and so on. Aug 25 21:28:17 Cyberdeck, happy counting Aug 25 21:30:08 hehe Aug 25 21:30:16 hi hrw Aug 25 21:32:10 ho woglinde Aug 25 21:33:09 Do Androids dream of electric sheep? Aug 25 21:33:28 okay goodnight everyone Aug 25 21:33:29 thanks again for all the help .. was a good day for me today. i got somewhere. Aug 25 21:33:37 nite torpor Aug 25 21:33:44 night woglinde Aug 25 21:34:03 bye torpor Aug 25 21:49:21 whats crazy about it? Aug 25 21:50:03 ljp: lack of phone part in qtopia? lack of apps? Aug 25 21:50:17 lack of apps? Aug 25 21:50:52 ljp: I want spreadsheet and editor able to read opendocument text Aug 25 21:51:03 ljp: does qtopia4 can give me them? Aug 25 21:51:30 and which app in openmoko does that? Aug 25 21:52:05 ljp: I can build abiword-embedded for example Aug 25 21:52:57 and thats usable on a phone. do you really want to edit documents on your phone? Aug 25 21:53:33 ljp: when I run openmoko on htc universal I have usable keyboard Aug 25 21:54:44 I was writing articles on zaurus so why not on openmoko powered devices? on neo I can atleast proofread (writing suxx without keyboard) Aug 25 22:08:20 * koen says "bluetooth keyboard" Aug 25 22:11:04 * Crofton|home says giant battery Aug 25 22:11:11 hm Aug 25 22:13:07 giant battery? Aug 25 22:14:18 to power the phone and keyboard Aug 25 22:15:21 Crofton|home: I have no experience with that but I don't believe a bluetooth keyboard does require much currency Aug 25 22:19:07 I think the bluetooth might cut talk time on the phone a lot Aug 25 22:21:23 oh yes did not think of that Aug 25 22:22:16 Crofton|home: on the other hand you don't use a bluetooth keyboard all the time you have the phone with you Aug 25 22:22:43 and batteries have improved Aug 25 22:26:08 bluetooth is pretty low power Aug 25 22:26:12 as opposed to wifi Aug 25 22:27:59 aren't you at the foam wrestling? Aug 25 22:31:15 nope Aug 25 22:31:21 control engineering :( Aug 25 22:31:44 ug Aug 25 22:31:50 feedback loops? Aug 25 22:32:01 and PID controllers Aug 25 22:32:08 in the Worst Book Ever Aug 25 22:32:14 heh Aug 25 22:32:18 I have one of those Aug 25 22:32:26 which one Aug 25 22:32:29 "Open University Press" Aug 25 22:32:37 written by The Man himself Aug 25 22:33:11 anyhow Aug 25 22:33:16 * koen -> zzzz Aug 25 22:33:23 well work harder! Aug 25 22:34:26 WHo is the man? Aug 25 22:38:29 i think most users just want a phone that makes call and does sms, etc. Aug 25 22:39:57 ljp: sure - but to get this working with qtopia4/gpl you need to write all of it Aug 25 22:40:03 you guys are talking about fringe use cases Aug 25 22:40:58 crofton: was finally able to turn off the alignment fault errors on connex Aug 25 22:41:35 Should have been easy, there's a linux conf setting that enables silent alignment fixups in user space Aug 25 22:41:46 ljp: I just looked at community ML ;) Aug 25 22:41:51 kernel .config Aug 25 22:41:52 Didn't seem to work though Aug 25 22:41:53 ? Aug 25 22:42:26 it seems like we should be able to generate code without alignment problems in the first place. Aug 25 22:42:40 but, maybe that is not true for all structures Aug 25 22:42:42 finally found alignment.sh in /etc/init.d that turn the messages back on at boot :-) Aug 25 22:43:13 Guess that it is a known issue with linux on pxa processors Aug 25 22:43:21 I suppose I should read up this next time I procrastinate Aug 25 22:43:45 ok, back to work Aug 25 22:43:49 :) Aug 25 22:44:01 I should too, but for now I want to move on to getting the fstab stuff right for connex Aug 25 22:44:12 later :-) Aug 25 22:45:52 03rpurdie * r964 10bitbake/lib/bb/cooker.py: cooker.py: Split generateDotGraph into data and file generation sections Aug 25 22:46:33 03rpurdie * r965 10bitbake/lib/bb/event.py: event.py: Add DepTreeGenerated event Aug 25 22:47:11 03rpurdie * r966 10bitbake/lib/bb/command.py: command.py: Add generateDepTreeEvent command Aug 25 22:47:43 bye Aug 25 22:47:54 03rpurdie * r967 10bitbake/lib/bb/ui/ncurses.py: ncurses.py: Tweak version field Aug 25 22:48:12 yeah, I think getting the tmpfs mounted on dev is pretty key Aug 25 22:48:30 it makes the udev stuff play better I think Aug 25 22:56:58 * * OE Bug 2239 has been REOPENED by xjqian(AT)gmail.com Aug 25 22:57:00 * *  Logout on gpe makes black screen Aug 25 22:57:02 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2239 Aug 25 22:57:37 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rd036c4c5... 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): add liburiparser Aug 25 22:57:45 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r850469b9... 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): add libspiff Aug 25 22:57:57 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r975cceb6... 10/ (1 packages/libspiff/libspiff_0.7.2.bb): libspiff: add do-stage() Aug 25 22:58:04 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r674f98c1... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): add openmoko-mediaplayer2 Aug 25 22:58:14 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rf4021a80... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libsoup: update to 2.2.100 Aug 25 23:00:24 [ 30.513668] mfgpt-timer: Could not allocate a MFPGT timer Aug 25 23:00:24 [ 30.513731] geode: 0 MFGPT timers available. Aug 25 23:00:27 ;(( Aug 25 23:00:43 CosmicPenguin: ;( no luck on alix-1c Aug 25 23:03:24 Is there an issue with the wiki on the website at the moment ? Aug 25 23:05:48 there was earlier, ,but I thought it was fixed Aug 25 23:07:04 Do you need to log in to edit, each time I try it asks for ask you to complete a Log Message. Aug 25 23:08:10 budgester, not sure Aug 25 23:09:05 And the News aggregator seems well out of date, last update 11 weeks ago Aug 25 23:10:29 nite Aug 25 23:12:57 n8 woglinde Aug 25 23:13:18 gn Aug 26 01:18:57 * * OE Bug 2873 has been created by smallpotato000(AT)gmail.com Aug 26 01:18:59 * * the sound driver in kernel 2.6.21 does not work on c7x0 Aug 26 01:19:01 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2873 Aug 26 01:23:57 * * OE Bug 2874 has been created by smallpotato000(AT)gmail.com Aug 26 01:23:59 * * angstrom 20070803 x11 image cannot boot into x11 Aug 26 01:24:01 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2874 Aug 26 01:27:54 hello ixp4xx world Aug 26 01:29:10 what image is loaded that has kernel+ ramdisk ? some zImage file? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 26 02:59:57 2007